RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-09 Thread Tim Grady
Well, there is exactly all the things you say there isn't.  You might try
going through the preferences before you spout off like that.


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really? tell me, friend, is it free to burn mp3 cds? no. And, no again, you 
can't make mp3 conversions in what I'm talking about. Real player saves its 
library in some unknown directory to start with, and it saves from a cd in 
.rm or some such format. I don't see an mp3 conversion hear, anyway. Unless 
you pay for it, probably.


Tyler
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:31 AM
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> Now, why would you say something like that.  Of course Replayer allows 
> .mp3
> conversions.
>
>
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> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> I think its stupid that real player doesn't allow .mp3 conversion, but 
> that
> is about the only setback I can see, although you have to pay for some
> things which is even more of a drag. I stil like winamp, though, but I use
> meedia player for leasure music listening since its real easy to make
> playlists in.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Tyler.
>>
>> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
>> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
>> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to
>> convert
>> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the 
>> world.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
>> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> ahem...
>>>
>>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
>>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
>> and
>>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip 
>>> music
>>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
>>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that
>>> its
>>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen
>>> a
>>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
>>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Tyler
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Brandon.
>>> >
>>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.
>>> > However,
>> I
>>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>>> > drawer
>>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
>> been
>>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default 
>>> > will
>>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer 
>>> > while
>>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
>> but
>>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>>> > modern
>>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
>> I
>>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
>> is
>>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike med

Time Markers in Winamp was Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Steve Pattison
Just to clarify something, Winamp definitely doesn't have time 
Markers, try using Winamp with Window-eyes and all of your time 
markers will instantly disappear (smile).  People need to remember 
that time markers are a feature of the JAWS scripts for Winamp and 
not a feature of Winamp itself.

At 07:36 AM 9/06/2006, you wrote:
>Winamp gets my vote simply because for some things it beats WMP. I don't
>want to argue or anything, but winamp has time markers, good for the avid
>reader. It also is easier to navigate in the library. It could just be me
>but jaws is saying in wmp "treeview, closed" instead of treeview album etc
>etc. But winamp can't go by album and artist, but that doesn't matter since
>I usually make playlists in WMP. On the other hand, if you meant ripping,
>WMP does a supirior job, besides from CDEX or exact audio copy or any
>program deticated to ripping.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
Hey brandon I'll send you that if you don't have it. Its free as far as I 
can remember look on nero.com if I'm not on MSN tonight. Oh, don't feel bad 
even if its only 16 x. I once had one on my 98 machine that was 8x, but than 
that was in 2001.

Tyler
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:28 AM
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> The max will show up in Windows Media player as what ever the speed of 
> media
> was rated the last time you burned a cd.  Find out what your drive is 
> rated
> for and buy the corresponding media.  If you are running 98SE or above 
> then
> the only thing you would need to update is your drive.  Do you use nero? 
> If
> so, run the info tool on your drive.
>
>
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>
> hi
> i don't think it's the media. even in my computer with no media in, the 
> max
> is 16x as far as i can remember. would a firmware upgrade, if i can find
> one, help?
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
where is this? *clapps hands...appoligizes...I didn't know there was an 
option to do that. And now my real player is acting mental. When I go to 
burn a cd, it won't show me the list of currently added songs. What's going 
on hear?

Tyler

PS: that's just to begin with, there are a lot of other things going wrong 
now. When I exit real player, and go back into it, it won't tell me where I 
am when I tab around. I know I'm in the real player window, but jaws is 
announcing nothing when I'm in real player. I tried maximizing and all that 
happy crappy, nothing worked. Would a uninstal and reinstal do it?

Tyler
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> You can change the default format from the Real formats to several other
> choices.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:46 PM
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> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> ahem...
>
> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
> and at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip
> music from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd
> into the tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem
> is that its real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I
> haven't seen a big difference in winamp and windows meedia player,
> though. Winamp plays .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is
> there a pluggin for wmp?
> thanks
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Brandon.
>>
>> Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.
> However, I
>> don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>> drawer
>> and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
> been
>> ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default
> will
>> stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer
> while
>> media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
> but
>> was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>> modern
>> formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
> I
>> haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
> is
>> ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player
> 10.
>>
>> As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
> run
>> into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> You'll
>> see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless
> listening
>> experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
>> media
>> player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
>> surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> hi,
>>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>>
>>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
> can
>> go
>>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
> use,
>> is
>>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier
> than
>>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
>> ripping
>>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>>
>>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
>> totally
>>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbag

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
I don't have a problem, the problem is I'd rather be able to choose the 
exact bitrate (not just quolity: 0 percent). I used the jaws cursor and got 
nothing, at least from what I could understand. What is zero quolity vs. 100 
percent quolity in bitrates?

Tyler
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:56 AM
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>I don't know why people have such a problem ripping CD's with Windows Media
> Player.  Just don't have the player in skin mode and make extensive use of
> your tab key and it's easy to do what you want.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:42 PM
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>
> To add to that, though, windows meedia player is good for a beginner. Then
> you could move up to cdex when you know all of the ripping methods and 
> such.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi,
>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can
>> go
>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use,
>> is
>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
>> ripping
>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>
>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
>> totally
>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
>> all
>> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
>> method
>> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
>> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
>> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to 
>> use
>> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
>> available that media player doesn't have.
>>
>> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
>> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
>> though.
>> winamp can be gotten from
>> http://www.winamp.com
>> that's about it from me.
>> Brandon Hicks
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
Yeah, your not kidding. It takes a while to make an image of a cd when your 
burning, just to start with the burning limmitations.

Tyler
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:40 AM
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>I don't know, even my Ipod supports the Real format, both protected and
> unprotected.  Windows Media has some real limitations.
>
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> Hi Tyler.
>
> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to 
> convert
> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the world.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> ahem...
>>
>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
> and
>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music
>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that 
>> its
>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen 
>> a
>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
>> thanks
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi Brandon.
>> >
>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid. 
>> > However,
> I
>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>> > drawer
>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
> been
>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
> but
>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>> > modern
>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
> I
>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
> is
>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>> >
>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
> run
>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> > You'll
>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
>> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
>> > media
>> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
>> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>> >
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>> >>
>> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
> can
>> > go
>> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
> use,
>> > is
>> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> >&

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
really? tell me, friend, is it free to burn mp3 cds? no. And, no again, you 
can't make mp3 conversions in what I'm talking about. Real player saves its 
library in some unknown directory to start with, and it saves from a cd in 
.rm or some such format. I don't see an mp3 conversion hear, anyway. Unless 
you pay for it, probably.


Tyler
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From: "Tim Grady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Now, why would you say something like that.  Of course Replayer allows 
> .mp3
> conversions.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:43 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> I think its stupid that real player doesn't allow .mp3 conversion, but 
> that
> is about the only setback I can see, although you have to pay for some
> things which is even more of a drag. I stil like winamp, though, but I use
> meedia player for leasure music listening since its real easy to make
> playlists in.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Tyler.
>>
>> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
>> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
>> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to
>> convert
>> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the 
>> world.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> ahem...
>>>
>>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
>>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
>> and
>>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip 
>>> music
>>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
>>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that
>>> its
>>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen
>>> a
>>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
>>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Tyler
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Brandon.
>>> >
>>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.
>>> > However,
>> I
>>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>>> > drawer
>>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
>> been
>>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default 
>>> > will
>>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer 
>>> > while
>>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
>> but
>>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>>> > modern
>>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
>> I
>>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
>> is
>>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 
>>> > 10.
>>> >
>>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
>> run
>>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>>> > You'll
>>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless 
>>> > listenin

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
Mine does 52- but I'm guessing you got yours a while back. I got mine in 04, 
and a lot of new burners burn at 52 x (that is if they are stand-alone, not 
with dvd burner as well).

Tyler
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From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi tyler
> i highly doubt real networks will switch to something like winamp, i just
> can't see it.
> the paid version of winamp burns at 48x, but this is only useful if you 
> have
> a burner that supports burning that fast. not many burners that come with
> pc's do, and most of the lower end externals or mountables do either. my
> laptop only burns at 16x i think, possibly 24 and the one i installed on 
> the
> 98 machine does 16, and we paid pretty good money for it.
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-08 Thread Tyler Wood
Winamp gets my vote simply because for some things it beats WMP. I don't 
want to argue or anything, but winamp has time markers, good for the avid 
reader. It also is easier to navigate in the library. It could just be me 
but jaws is saying in wmp "treeview, closed" instead of treeview album etc 
etc. But winamp can't go by album and artist, but that doesn't matter since 
I usually make playlists in WMP. On the other hand, if you meant ripping, 
WMP does a supirior job, besides from CDEX or exact audio copy or any 
program deticated to ripping.

Tyler
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> Not only is it a windows media audio format, but it's also the best format
> by a mile.
>
> Heere is my 2 cents.  Considering windows media player 10 works really 
> well
> with jaws and I wouldn't mind betting that it also works with window eyes
> and any other half decent screen reader, then wmp 10 gets my vote and so
> does the wma format mentioned.
>
> Warren French.
>
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>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Lossless is a Windows Media Audio format!
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.
>>>
>>> Tyler
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mari.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>>>>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the
>>>>> music
>>>>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>>>>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>>>>
>>>>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like
>>>>> MP3
>>>>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some
>>>>> of
>>>>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into
>>>>> the
>>>>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>>>>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not 
>>>>> be
>>>>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be 
>>>>> playing
>>>>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>>>>> their
>>>>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>>>>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>>>>> another.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>>>>> it's
>>>>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
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>>>>> From: "mary dole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>>>> Sent: Su

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-07 Thread Tim Grady
Then I would look around the internet and see if I could find a good
reconditioned dvd burner for 30 to 40 dollars, don't know what that would be
in pounds.


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hi tim,
yes, it's got 3 USB ports, all 2.0.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-07 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tim,
yes, it's got 3 USB ports, all 2.0.

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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-07 Thread Tim Grady
Does that computer have any USB ports on it and if so is it 2.0?  The reason
I ask is that I just picked up  a Liteon DVD burner which will burn CD's at
40x speed dirt cheap.


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hi tim,
I checked my drive yesterday. it is really a crappy drive. it burns cd at
16x, cdrw at 10 or 12x, dvd r and rw at like 2.4x and reads at some
rediculous number like 24x or something. the laptop is from 04, though so it
doesn't really surprise me. I'm looking into trading this one with my dad
for his dell and just buying an upgraded drive and putting it in the slot.
this thing doesn't have one of those, so i can't upgrade it unfortunately.
this explains why it takes so long to back my stuff up. lol
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-06 Thread Gary Petraccaro
Thanks.  I'll check, but I don't think I'm doing either of those things.

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> I've only tried ripping with nero a couple of times and that was a long 
> time
> ago.  Seemed more hard work than CDEX or media player so I didn't use it
> again.  Typically, there are a few common parameters that determine how 
> fast
> your program will rip music from a CD.
>
> *  the speed of your CD-ROM
> *  the quality of the output files, the higher the quality the longer the
> rip.  Added to this, if you have jitter correction or image creation as an
> option, this will extend the rip time
> *  the priority of the rip - generally you have a choice of very fast
> ripping that stops you doing anything else with your computer or very slow
> which allows you to carry on using your computer while the rip is in
> progress with no impact.  There is, of course, a happy medium to be had.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gary Petraccaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Any idea why Nero 6 on my system seems to take forever to rip a cd vs. 
>> the
> 2
>> minutes you're reporting?  Anything to be done about it?
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi Brandon.
>> >
>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid. 
>> > However,
> I
>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>> > drawer
>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
> been
>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
> but
>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>> > modern
>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
> I
>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
> is
>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>> >
>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
> run
>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> > You'll
>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
>> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
>> > media
>> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
>> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>> >
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>> >>
>> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
> can
>> > go
>> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
> use,
>> > is
>> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> >> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> >> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> >> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> >> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
>> > ripping
>> >> as well as converting between different formats.
>> >>
>> >> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
>> > totally
>> >

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-06 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tim,
I checked my drive yesterday. it is really a crappy drive. it burns cd at
16x, cdrw at 10 or 12x, dvd r and rw at like 2.4x and reads at some
rediculous number like 24x or something. the laptop is from 04, though so it
doesn't really surprise me. I'm looking into trading this one with my dad
for his dell and just buying an upgraded drive and putting it in the slot.
this thing doesn't have one of those, so i can't upgrade it unfortunately.
this explains why it takes so long to back my stuff up. lol
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-06 Thread Kevin Lloyd
I've only tried ripping with nero a couple of times and that was a long time
ago.  Seemed more hard work than CDEX or media player so I didn't use it
again.  Typically, there are a few common parameters that determine how fast
your program will rip music from a CD.

*  the speed of your CD-ROM
*  the quality of the output files, the higher the quality the longer the
rip.  Added to this, if you have jitter correction or image creation as an
option, this will extend the rip time
*  the priority of the rip - generally you have a choice of very fast
ripping that stops you doing anything else with your computer or very slow
which allows you to carry on using your computer while the rip is in
progress with no impact.  There is, of course, a happy medium to be had.

Regards.

Kevin
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From: "Gary Petraccaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Any idea why Nero 6 on my system seems to take forever to rip a cd vs. the
2
> minutes you're reporting?  Anything to be done about it?
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
> > Hi Brandon.
> >
> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However,
I
> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
> > drawer
> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
been
> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
but
> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
> > modern
> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
I
> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
is
> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
> >
> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
run
> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
> > You'll
> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
> > media
> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Kevin
> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
> >
> >
> >> hi,
> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
can
> > go
> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
use,
> > is
> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> >> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> >> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> >> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> >> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> > ripping
> >> as well as converting between different formats.
> >>
> >> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> > totally
> >> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> > all
> >> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> > method
> >> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10
minutes
> >> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while
ripping.
> >> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to
> >> use
> >> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> >> available that media player doesn't have.
> >>
> >> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> >> doesn't play dvd movies. there are pl

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Grady
The max will show up in Windows Media player as what ever the speed of media
was rated the last time you burned a cd.  Find out what your drive is rated
for and buy the corresponding media.  If you are running 98SE or above then
the only thing you would need to update is your drive.  Do you use nero?  If
so, run the info tool on your drive.


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hi
i don't think it's the media. even in my computer with no media in, the max
is 16x as far as i can remember. would a firmware upgrade, if i can find
one, help?

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi
i don't think it's the media. even in my computer with no media in, the max
is 16x as far as i can remember. would a firmware upgrade, if i can find
one, help?

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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
It might just be the speed of the media you are buying.  Just buy CD's that
are rated for your drives maximum speed.


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hi all
lol. apparently i've got a pretty crappy machine, then. 16 is the max i am
allowed to use in any of the combo boxes i see, and EZ CDDA extractor only
shows 4x if i remember correctly. i bought the thing last year, and it does
read and burn dvd discs, so this is odd.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tim,
that's exactly the problem with me. i'm not very patient. ideally, cd's
would work, and same with dvd's, just like floppies. copy and paste, and you
could have an option in the menu to finalize or close or whatever you want
to call it. but i don't like trying to tab through all the buttons and
sliders and boxes, i like a quick f8 or alt+f c or something like that.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi all
lol. apparently i've got a pretty crappy machine, then. 16 is the max i am
allowed to use in any of the combo boxes i see, and EZ CDDA extractor only
shows 4x if i remember correctly. i bought the thing last year, and it does
read and burn dvd discs, so this is odd.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Gary Petraccaro
Any idea why Nero 6 on my system seems to take forever to rip a cd vs. the 2 
minutes you're reporting?  Anything to be done about it?

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Brandon.
>
> Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However, I
> don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the 
> drawer
> and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having been
> ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years but
> was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for 
> modern
> formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.  I
> haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX is
> ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>
> As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks run
> into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10. 
> You'll
> see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that 
> media
> player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi,
>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can
> go
>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use,
> is
>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> ripping
>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>
>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> totally
>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> all
>> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> method
>> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
>> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
>> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to 
>> use
>> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
>> available that media player doesn't have.
>>
>> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
>> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
>> though.
>> winamp can be gotten from
>> http://www.winamp.com
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Gary Wood
I think that the burner on my Dell burns at 48X!
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> hi tyler
> i highly doubt real networks will switch to something like winamp, i just
> can't see it.
> the paid version of winamp burns at 48x, but this is only useful if you 
> have
> a burner that supports burning that fast. not many burners that come with
> pc's do, and most of the lower end externals or mountables do either. my
> laptop only burns at 16x i think, possibly 24 and the one i installed on 
> the
> 98 machine does 16, and we paid pretty good money for it.
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
Check the view menu if you want to fool with it, but it isn't useful to us.
Just turn it off when you start up Windows Media Player by hitting ctrl-1.
You only have to do this once.


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Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

Initially, I had lots of problems ripping cds with media player 10. Not only
did I but others kept getting the message that an in coder was needed. Yet
when I went to the ms web site on this iit said the incoder for mp3 was
already installed. Since joining the list, somehow I solved this problem
though I don't know how. I had other people try ripping just to see if I was
doing anything wrong.
As for skin mode, where can I go to check on that? 

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I don't know why people have such a problem ripping CD's with Windows Media
Player.  Just don't have the player in skin mode and make extensive use of
your tab key and it's easy to do what you want.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

To add to that, though, windows meedia player is good for a beginner. Then
you could move up to cdex when you know all of the ripping methods and such.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi,
> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>
> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can 
> go
> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use, 
> is
> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for 
> ripping
> as well as converting between different formats.
>
> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's 
> totally
> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's 
> all
> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good 
> method
> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> available that media player doesn't have.
>
> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
> though.
> winamp can be gotten from
> http://www.winamp.com
> that's about it from me.
> Brandon Hicks
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Skype: callto://reyuth
> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Ford Blackwell
You can rip directly to .mp3 with Real player.  Change it in the
Preference menu under Tools. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:43 PM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

I think its stupid that real player doesn't allow .mp3 conversion, but
that is about the only setback I can see, although you have to pay for
some things which is even more of a drag. I stil like winamp, though,
but I use meedia player for leasure music listening since its real easy
to make playlists in.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Tyler.
>
> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player -
just
> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary
and
> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to 
> convert
> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the
world.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> ahem...
>>
>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all
filetypes
>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a
playlist,
> and
>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip
music
>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into
the
>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is
that 
>> its
>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't
seen 
>> a
>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp
plays
>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for
wmp?
>> thanks
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi Brandon.
>> >
>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid. 
>> > However,
> I
>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in
the
>> > drawer
>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later
having
> been
>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default
will
>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer
while
>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for
years
> but
>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support
for
>> > modern
>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless
WMA.
> I
>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of
CDEX
> is
>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player
10.
>> >
>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the
tracks
> run
>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> > You'll
>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless
listening
>> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think
that
>> > media
>> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's
not a
>> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>> >
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>> >>
>> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping.
you
> can
>> > go
>> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier
to
> use,
>> > is
>> >> focused on rip

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Ford Blackwell
You can change the default format from the Real formats to several other
choices. 

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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

ahem...

I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
and at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip
music from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd
into the tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem
is that its real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I
haven't seen a big difference in winamp and windows meedia player,
though. Winamp plays .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is
there a pluggin for wmp? 
thanks

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Brandon.
>
> Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.
However, I
> don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the 
> drawer
> and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
been
> ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default
will
> stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer
while
> media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
but
> was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for 
> modern
> formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
I
> haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
is
> ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player
10.
>
> As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
run
> into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10. 
> You'll
> see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless
listening
> experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that 
> media
> player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi,
>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
can
> go
>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
use,
> is
>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier
than
>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> ripping
>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>
>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> totally
>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need.
it's
> all
>> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> method
>> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10
minutes
>> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while
ripping.
>> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier
to 
>> use
>> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
>> available that media player doesn't have.
>>
>> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
>> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
>> though.
>> winamp can be gotten from
>> http://www.winamp.com
>> that's about it from me.
>> Brandon Hicks
>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Skype: callto://reyuth
>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread denise avant
Initially, I had lots of problems ripping cds with media player 10. Not only
did I but others kept getting the message that an in coder was needed. Yet
when I went to the ms web site on this iit said the incoder for mp3 was
already installed. Since joining the list, somehow I solved this problem
though I don't know how. I had other people try ripping just to see if I was
doing anything wrong.
As for skin mode, where can I go to check on that? 

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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:57 AM
To: 'PC audio discussion list. '
Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

I don't know why people have such a problem ripping CD's with Windows Media
Player.  Just don't have the player in skin mode and make extensive use of
your tab key and it's easy to do what you want.


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On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:42 PM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

To add to that, though, windows meedia player is good for a beginner. Then
you could move up to cdex when you know all of the ripping methods and such.

Tyler
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From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi,
> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>
> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can 
> go
> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use, 
> is
> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for 
> ripping
> as well as converting between different formats.
>
> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's 
> totally
> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's 
> all
> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good 
> method
> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> available that media player doesn't have.
>
> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
> though.
> winamp can be gotten from
> http://www.winamp.com
> that's about it from me.
> Brandon Hicks
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
Try doing a ctrl-1 when you get into it.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:04 AM
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Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

Hello,
Beginning with windows media player 9, you should be able to rip cds. The
default is wma. If you want to rip using any other format such as mp3, you
will have to go into the options and change that. With 9, you needed an mp3
incoder. But with 10, you do not. I did have a lot of trouble with media
player telling me I needed an in coder with 10. but I no longer have the
problem. I am not exactly sure what I did to get it fixed, but I'm ripping
to mp3 just fine now. It doesn't seem like windows media plaer 10 is all
that speech friendly though. But you can use it.
 

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Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player

Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the "My
Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?  If so,
could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to have a
special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
Rosemarie
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
I don't know why people have such a problem ripping CD's with Windows Media
Player.  Just don't have the player in skin mode and make extensive use of
your tab key and it's easy to do what you want.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:42 PM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

To add to that, though, windows meedia player is good for a beginner. Then 
you could move up to cdex when you know all of the ripping methods and such.

Tyler
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From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi,
> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>
> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can 
> go
> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use, 
> is
> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for 
> ripping
> as well as converting between different formats.
>
> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's 
> totally
> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's 
> all
> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good 
> method
> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> available that media player doesn't have.
>
> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
> though.
> winamp can be gotten from
> http://www.winamp.com
> that's about it from me.
> Brandon Hicks
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
You could just change the output format, and maybe Realplayer would rip the
CD to the format you wanted.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

ahem...

I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes 
even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist, and 
at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music 
from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the 
tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that its 
real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen a 
big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays 
.ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp? 
thanks

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Brandon.
>
> Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However, I
> don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the 
> drawer
> and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having been
> ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years but
> was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for 
> modern
> formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.  I
> haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX is
> ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>
> As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks run
> into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10. 
> You'll
> see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that 
> media
> player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi,
>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can
> go
>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use,
> is
>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> ripping
>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>
>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> totally
>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> all
>> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> method
>> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
>> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
>> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to 
>> use
>> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
>> available that media player doesn't have.
>>
>> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
>> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
>> though.
>> winamp can be gotten from
>> http://www.winamp.com
>> that's about it from me.
>> Brandon Hicks
>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Skype: callto://reyuth
>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
I don't know, even my Ipod supports the Real format, both protected and
unprotected.  Windows Media has some real limitations.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

Hi Tyler.

There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to convert
so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the world.

Regards.

Kevin
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> ahem...
>
> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
and
> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music
> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that its
> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen a
> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
> thanks
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
> > Hi Brandon.
> >
> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However,
I
> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
> > drawer
> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
been
> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
but
> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
> > modern
> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
I
> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
is
> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
> >
> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
run
> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
> > You'll
> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
> > media
> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Kevin
> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
> >
> >
> >> hi,
> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
can
> > go
> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
use,
> > is
> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> >> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> >> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> >> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> >> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> > ripping
> >> as well as converting between different formats.
> >>
> >> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> > totally
> >> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> > all
> >> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> > method
> >> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10
minutes
> >> with little processor eating up, so i cou

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
It isn't a music format.  What it is is a designation meaning that the codec
you are using does not lose audio quality because of compression.


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Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
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> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
> Rosemarie
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Mari.
>>
>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>
>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>
>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>> their
>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>> another.
>>
>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>> it's
>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
>> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "mary dole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>>
>>> Mari Dole
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
Now, why would you say something like that.  Of course Replayer allows .mp3
conversions.


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

I think its stupid that real player doesn't allow .mp3 conversion, but that 
is about the only setback I can see, although you have to pay for some 
things which is even more of a drag. I stil like winamp, though, but I use 
meedia player for leasure music listening since its real easy to make 
playlists in.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Tyler.
>
> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to 
> convert
> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the world.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> ahem...
>>
>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
> and
>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music
>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that 
>> its
>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen 
>> a
>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
>> thanks
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi Brandon.
>> >
>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid. 
>> > However,
> I
>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>> > drawer
>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
> been
>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
> but
>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>> > modern
>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
> I
>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
> is
>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>> >
>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
> run
>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> > You'll
>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
>> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
>> > media
>> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
>> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> > E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>> >
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>> >>
>> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
> can
>> > go
>> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
> use,
>> > is
>> >> focused on rip

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Grady
Really?  I haven't seen burner speeds that low on CD writers being sold in a
while.  Is that really true?


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:40 PM
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hi tyler
i highly doubt real networks will switch to something like winamp, i just
can't see it.
the paid version of winamp burns at 48x, but this is only useful if you have
a burner that supports burning that fast. not many burners that come with
pc's do, and most of the lower end externals or mountables do either. my
laptop only burns at 16x i think, possibly 24 and the one i installed on the
98 machine does 16, and we paid pretty good money for it.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread the mighty spork
that's changing now.  I have an e mahine, and it burns at 48x, and it's not 
even their top end machine.

Rick

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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:39 PM
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> hi tyler
> i highly doubt real networks will switch to something like winamp, i just
> can't see it.
> the paid version of winamp burns at 48x, but this is only useful if you 
> have
> a burner that supports burning that fast. not many burners that come with
> pc's do, and most of the lower end externals or mountables do either. my
> laptop only burns at 16x i think, possibly 24 and the one i installed on 
> the
> 98 machine does 16, and we paid pretty good money for it.
>
> Brandon Hicks
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread the mighty spork
no, once yu hit like 1500 commands, it will totally stop working.

I hit that a month ago.

rick
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> hi
> just a correction here.
> gold wave only costs like 29.95 or some such. it's a very good editor. it
> allows you to do 150 commands free per session. after that, you get an 
> alert
> about you being over the amount, but it will continue working.
> brandon
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Warren French
Not only is it a windows media audio format, but it's also the best format 
by a mile.

Heere is my 2 cents.  Considering windows media player 10 works really well 
with jaws and I wouldn't mind betting that it also works with window eyes 
and any other half decent screen reader, then wmp 10 gets my vote and so 
does the wma format mentioned.

Warren French.

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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Lossless is a Windows Media Audio format!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Mari.
>>>>
>>>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>>>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the
>>>> music
>>>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>>>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>>>
>>>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like
>>>> MP3
>>>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some
>>>> of
>>>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into
>>>> the
>>>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>>>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
>>>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
>>>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>>>> their
>>>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>>>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>>>> it's
>>>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "mary dole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>>>>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>>>>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>>>>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mari Dole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tyler
i highly doubt real networks will switch to something like winamp, i just
can't see it.
the paid version of winamp burns at 48x, but this is only useful if you have
a burner that supports burning that fast. not many burners that come with
pc's do, and most of the lower end externals or mountables do either. my
laptop only burns at 16x i think, possibly 24 and the one i installed on the
98 machine does 16, and we paid pretty good money for it.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tyler
can't comment for sure, but he's talking about media player. it goes in
percent, but as he said it gives you more info. the wm 9 dialog isn't very
accessible, but apparently that changed with 10. haven't bothered to waste
an hour and a half to grab 10 to find out, i'd prefer about 40 minutes for
winamp's full version.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi
the link is
http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html


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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi
just a correction here.
gold wave only costs like 29.95 or some such. it's a very good editor. it
allows you to do 150 commands free per session. after that, you get an alert
about you being over the amount, but it will continue working.
brandon

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Bruce Toews
Lossless is actually any format where there is no loss of audio quality. 
Windows Media offers a lossless format, FLAC is another.

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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, Gary Wood wrote:

> Lossless is a Windows Media Audio format!
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> - Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Mari.
>>>>
>>>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>>>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the
>>>> music
>>>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>>>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>>>
>>>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like
>>>> MP3
>>>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some
>>>> of
>>>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into
>>>> the
>>>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>>>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
>>>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
>>>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>>>> their
>>>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>>>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>>>> it's
>>>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
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>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "mary dole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>>>>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>>>>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>>>>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mari Dole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Wood
You can also get CDex at JFWLite.COM!
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> My mp3 player can't play .ogg files and besides it doesn't work. But what
> was the link to CD-ex again? I'd like to try it out.
>
> thanks
> Tyler
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi tyler,
>> the reason that is is because of the bitrate. it's probably set at like
>> 320
>> or some garbage like that. you get just as good results with 192 cbr, or
>> vbr
>> around 192 even. personally, i use ogg. i don't mind having a bit less
>> quality, so i use the OU2V3 ogg encoder with CDEX, which allows me to use
>> bitrates around 70 kbps with only a slight squeezing of the stereo image,
>> and not many artifacts detectable at all, but at the same time allows me
>> to
>> fit about 210 songs on my 512 mb mp3 player, and some of those songs are
>> metallica's live stuff, which is pretty darned long.
>> brandon
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Wood
I believe that I have put over 200 songs on a CD!
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> Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Its been a long time since I've ripped music
> with WMP. I stil don't like the fact that when I convert to .mp3, I can 
> only
> fit about 40 songs onto an mp3 cd, as a posed to 150 if I download the
> songs.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Tyler.
>>
>> You can use your JAWS cursor to check the status of the rip.  Just below
>> the
>> menu bar there's a toolbar that says 'stop rip' when ripping is in
>> progress
>> and this changes to 'rip music' when the rip is completed.  The automatic
>> ejection of the CD is more convenient though, of course.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
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>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:
>>>
>>> 1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until
>> you
>>> hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however, 
>>> something
>>> similar will be there.
>>> 3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You 
>>> can
>>> check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I
>>> think.
>>> Click rip music.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of
>>> the
>>> music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to
>>> options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option
>> where
>>> you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its
>> hard
>>> to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp
>>> doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip 
>>> cd
>> at
>>> when inserted; this is all personal preference.
>>>
>>> hope that helped
>>> Tyler
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:04 PM
>>> Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the
>> "My
>>> > Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player? 
>>> > If
>>> > so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to
>> have
>>> > a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
>>> > Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Wood
Lossless is a Windows Media Audio format!
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:41 PM
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> Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mari.
>>>
>>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>>
>>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the 
>>> music
>>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>>
>>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like 
>>> MP3
>>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some 
>>> of
>>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into 
>>> the
>>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
>>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
>>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>>> their
>>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>>> another.
>>>
>>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>>> it's
>>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "mary dole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
>>> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>>>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>>>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>>>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>>>
>>>> Mari Dole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:18 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Gold wave allows you to tweak audio files (as Keven said, volume). You can 
also tweak various other things, such as echo, reverb, and I'm not sure what 
else. Oh yeah, you can convert between file formatts, and you can also 
change channels (so that the right speaker is now on the left speaker). The 
great thing is that if you record a mono audiobook from cassette, you can 
change it into stario with this feature. Goldwave will probably cost around 
$50-60, maybe less. That's nothing compaired to 200 dollars for sound forge, 
which most people like myself don't need. You could try a demo of goldwave, 
as well. I believe the link to get it is:

http://www.goldwave.com

like I said, you can use it free for a various number of commands, I can't 
remember now.
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Hi, I'd like to know about the gold wolf program that you mentioned.
Thanks.

Terri
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Hi Rosemary.

Here's a few notes I put together for a friend on ripping CD's using windows
media player 10.  Hope they may be of some use.

Now, for ripping losslessly.  The good news is that the program is free and
you'll probably already have it.  It's windows media player.  You will need
to have media player 10 though to rip losslessly.
The format I use is WMA rather than WAV.  The WMA  format has the advantage
that it supports ID3 tags which WAV doesn't.  The ID3  tags are used to hold
information about the music such as artist, album name, track number, track
title, genre, year released, etc.  The WMA format also takes a little less
space than WAV as it's compressed but compressed losslessly.
What you'll need to do?
1.  Start windows media player.
2.  Press alt and T to open the tools menu.
3.  Use the up arrow to find the options menu and press enter.
4.  You'll now be in the player tab.  Press shift & tab to move up to the
list of tabs and then right arrow to locate the ripping tab.
5.  Tabbing once will land you on the change button.  Pressing spacebar or
enter will open a dialogue that will allow you to change where you rip your
music
to.  Initially this will be set to my music in the my documents folder.
6.  Pressing tab again will land you on the file name button.  This is where
you can specify how you want your ripped music files to be named.  The
default
is that you'll get a folder with the artist name and inside there a folder
with the album name.  Opening the album folder will reveal the tracks in the
format track number dash track title.
7.  Pressing tab again will land you in a combo box where you can choose the
format of your ripped music.  The choices are MP3, windows media audio, WAV
or windows media audio lossless.
8.  Pressing tab again will land you on a button where you can go and learn
a little more about MP3 and WMA formats.
9.  Pressing tab again will land you on the copy protect checkbox.  Make
sure this is unchecked otherwise you'll start having problems moving your
music
around from player to player.
10.  The next checkbox is rip music when CD is inserted.  This is very
useful if you want to rip a number of CD's at a time.  If you have media
player started
and this is checked, when you close your CD drawer with a CD inserted, it
will be automatically ripped.
11.  The following checkbox is eject CD when ripping is complete.  This
again is useful with the above checkbox so that you can keep feeding CD's
into the
computer and have them ejected to take out and put the next CD in.
12.  Tabbing again will land you on a compare music formats.  This is
another informational option to go and find out more about formats and
listen to some
samples that demonstrate  the differences in format.
13.  Now you've probably noticed that I've missed a combo box while
describing this.  It's only seen if you have the MP3 or windows media audio
format chosen
and it let's you choose the quality of your ripped music.  It doesn't show
if you choose WAV or windows media audio lossless as these are always ripped
at 100% quality.  If you do want to use MP3 or WMA at lower bit rates, you
can use the arrow keys to choose the quality.  If you use your JAWS cursor
each
time you change the setting you'll see some extra information about the
quality you've chosen.
14.  When you've made all your changes tab to the OK button and press enter
to save them.  They'll remain as your default settings.
Once I've ripped a CD I use a program called goldwave to set the volume so
that all my ripped music 

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
That's what I don't get. If real would ditch that format and have a player 
like winamp, I'm sure they might get a bigger audience. Besides, I burned 
cds with real player for well over 2 years on my old win 98 machine. I can 
even see real player being supior to winamp since it burns as fast as 52 x 
for free. Winamp, even the payed version, only burns as fast as 40 or 48 x i 
can't remember. But I guess that's not my say, and I'm rambling on, I'd 
better stop.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:56 PM
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> hi tyler,
> real player may be a good player, but like was said here, real format is a
> bugger to convert and is not supported very widely, so it was instantly
> taken off my list of possibilities.
> brandon
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Do you mean the quolity? Its kind of stupid- it goes in percents as a posed 
to bitrate. Or were you talking about cd-ex? I haven't used that yet but 
really want to now.

Tyler
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> what you have to do is set the sliders to 128 in the options for ripping
>
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>
>> Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Its been a long time since I've ripped music
>> with WMP. I stil don't like the fact that when I convert to .mp3, I can
>> only
>> fit about 40 songs onto an mp3 cd, as a posed to 150 if I download the
>> songs.
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tyler.
>>>
>>> You can use your JAWS cursor to check the status of the rip.  Just below
>>> the
>>> menu bar there's a toolbar that says 'stop rip' when ripping is in
>>> progress
>>> and this changes to 'rip music' when the rip is completed.  The 
>>> automatic
>>> ejection of the CD is more convenient though, of course.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Kevin
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:
>>>>
>>>> 1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until
>>> you
>>>> hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however,
>>>> something
>>>> similar will be there.
>>>> 3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You
>>>> can
>>>> check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I
>>>> think.
>>>> Click rip music.
>>>>
>>>> If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of
>>>> the
>>>> music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to
>>>> options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option
>>> where
>>>> you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its
>>> hard
>>>> to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp
>>>> doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip
>>>> cd
>>> at
>>>> when inserted; this is all personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> hope that helped
>>>> Tyler
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:04 PM
>>>> Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in 
>>>> > the
>>> "My
>>>> > Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?
>>>> > If
>>>> > so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to
>>> have
>>>> > a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
>>>> > Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
My mp3 player can't play .ogg files and besides it doesn't work. But what 
was the link to CD-ex again? I'd like to try it out.

thanks
Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi tyler,
> the reason that is is because of the bitrate. it's probably set at like 
> 320
> or some garbage like that. you get just as good results with 192 cbr, or 
> vbr
> around 192 even. personally, i use ogg. i don't mind having a bit less
> quality, so i use the OU2V3 ogg encoder with CDEX, which allows me to use
> bitrates around 70 kbps with only a slight squeezing of the stereo image,
> and not many artifacts detectable at all, but at the same time allows me 
> to
> fit about 210 songs on my 512 mb mp3 player, and some of those songs are
> metallica's live stuff, which is pretty darned long.
> brandon
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Terri Elliott
Hi, I'd like to know about the gold wolf program that you mentioned. 
Thanks.

Terri
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


Hi Rosemary.

Here's a few notes I put together for a friend on ripping CD's using windows
media player 10.  Hope they may be of some use.

Now, for ripping losslessly.  The good news is that the program is free and
you'll probably already have it.  It's windows media player.  You will need
to have media player 10 though to rip losslessly.
The format I use is WMA rather than WAV.  The WMA  format has the advantage
that it supports ID3 tags which WAV doesn't.  The ID3  tags are used to hold
information about the music such as artist, album name, track number, track
title, genre, year released, etc.  The WMA format also takes a little less
space than WAV as it's compressed but compressed losslessly.
What you'll need to do?
1.  Start windows media player.
2.  Press alt and T to open the tools menu.
3.  Use the up arrow to find the options menu and press enter.
4.  You'll now be in the player tab.  Press shift & tab to move up to the
list of tabs and then right arrow to locate the ripping tab.
5.  Tabbing once will land you on the change button.  Pressing spacebar or
enter will open a dialogue that will allow you to change where you rip your
music
to.  Initially this will be set to my music in the my documents folder.
6.  Pressing tab again will land you on the file name button.  This is where
you can specify how you want your ripped music files to be named.  The
default
is that you'll get a folder with the artist name and inside there a folder
with the album name.  Opening the album folder will reveal the tracks in the
format track number dash track title.
7.  Pressing tab again will land you in a combo box where you can choose the
format of your ripped music.  The choices are MP3, windows media audio, WAV
or windows media audio lossless.
8.  Pressing tab again will land you on a button where you can go and learn
a little more about MP3 and WMA formats.
9.  Pressing tab again will land you on the copy protect checkbox.  Make
sure this is unchecked otherwise you'll start having problems moving your
music
around from player to player.
10.  The next checkbox is rip music when CD is inserted.  This is very
useful if you want to rip a number of CD's at a time.  If you have media
player started
and this is checked, when you close your CD drawer with a CD inserted, it
will be automatically ripped.
11.  The following checkbox is eject CD when ripping is complete.  This
again is useful with the above checkbox so that you can keep feeding CD's
into the
computer and have them ejected to take out and put the next CD in.
12.  Tabbing again will land you on a compare music formats.  This is
another informational option to go and find out more about formats and
listen to some
samples that demonstrate  the differences in format.
13.  Now you've probably noticed that I've missed a combo box while
describing this.  It's only seen if you have the MP3 or windows media audio
format chosen
and it let's you choose the quality of your ripped music.  It doesn't show
if you choose WAV or windows media audio lossless as these are always ripped
at 100% quality.  If you do want to use MP3 or WMA at lower bit rates, you
can use the arrow keys to choose the quality.  If you use your JAWS cursor
each
time you change the setting you'll see some extra information about the
quality you've chosen.
14.  When you've made all your changes tab to the OK button and press enter
to save them.  They'll remain as your default settings.
Once I've ripped a CD I use a program called goldwave to set the volume so
that all my ripped music is at the same volume level.  You know how some
CD's
are quiter than others so this makes listening to shuffled music a lot
better.  That's probably another topic for another day if you don't
currently use
goldwave.  Let me know if you're interested once you've started ripping some
CD's and I'll cover this.

Regards.

Kevin
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- Original Message -
From:
Walter Ramage
To:
Kevin Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: I took the plunge

Hi Kevin.
I am really pleased that you now have a new player and especially that you
are pleased with it, in the end that is the most important thing.  From your
description it is a little different from the model I have.  I wonder if you
have the model I could have got.  That one was the same specs. as the one
I have but the only difference in facilities was it had a colour screen
whereas the model I have is black & white which you can imagine is fine with
me.
 Th

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tyler,
the reason that is is because of the bitrate. it's probably set at like 320
or some garbage like that. you get just as good results with 192 cbr, or vbr
around 192 even. personally, i use ogg. i don't mind having a bit less
quality, so i use the OU2V3 ogg encoder with CDEX, which allows me to use
bitrates around 70 kbps with only a slight squeezing of the stereo image,
and not many artifacts detectable at all, but at the same time allows me to
fit about 210 songs on my 512 mb mp3 player, and some of those songs are
metallica's live stuff, which is pretty darned long.
brandon

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Sun Sparkle
what you have to do is set the sliders to 128 in the options for ripping

- Original Message - 
From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Its been a long time since I've ripped music
> with WMP. I stil don't like the fact that when I convert to .mp3, I can 
> only
> fit about 40 songs onto an mp3 cd, as a posed to 150 if I download the
> songs.
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Tyler.
>>
>> You can use your JAWS cursor to check the status of the rip.  Just below
>> the
>> menu bar there's a toolbar that says 'stop rip' when ripping is in
>> progress
>> and this changes to 'rip music' when the rip is completed.  The automatic
>> ejection of the CD is more convenient though, of course.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
>> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:
>>>
>>> 1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until
>> you
>>> hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however, 
>>> something
>>> similar will be there.
>>> 3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You 
>>> can
>>> check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I
>>> think.
>>> Click rip music.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of
>>> the
>>> music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to
>>> options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option
>> where
>>> you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its
>> hard
>>> to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp
>>> doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip 
>>> cd
>> at
>>> when inserted; this is all personal preference.
>>>
>>> hope that helped
>>> Tyler
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:04 PM
>>> Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the
>> "My
>>> > Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player? 
>>> > If
>>> > so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to
>> have
>>> > a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
>>> > Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi tyler,
real player may be a good player, but like was said here, real format is a
bugger to convert and is not supported very widely, so it was instantly
taken off my list of possibilities.
brandon

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Its been a long time since I've ripped music 
with WMP. I stil don't like the fact that when I convert to .mp3, I can only 
fit about 40 songs onto an mp3 cd, as a posed to 150 if I download the 
songs.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Tyler.
>
> You can use your JAWS cursor to check the status of the rip.  Just below 
> the
> menu bar there's a toolbar that says 'stop rip' when ripping is in 
> progress
> and this changes to 'rip music' when the rip is completed.  The automatic
> ejection of the CD is more convenient though, of course.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:
>>
>> 1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until
> you
>> hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however, something
>> similar will be there.
>> 3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You can
>> check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I
>> think.
>> Click rip music.
>>
>> If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of 
>> the
>> music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to
>> options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option
> where
>> you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its
> hard
>> to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp
>> doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip cd
> at
>> when inserted; this is all personal preference.
>>
>> hope that helped
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:04 PM
>> Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the
> "My
>> > Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?  If
>> > so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to
> have
>> > a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
>> > Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
I think its stupid that real player doesn't allow .mp3 conversion, but that 
is about the only setback I can see, although you have to pay for some 
things which is even more of a drag. I stil like winamp, though, but I use 
meedia player for leasure music listening since its real easy to make 
playlists in.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Tyler.
>
> There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
> google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
> will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to 
> convert
> so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the world.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> ahem...
>>
>> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
>> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
> and
>> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music
>> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
>> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that 
>> its
>> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen 
>> a
>> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
>> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
>> thanks
>>
>> Tyler
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>> > Hi Brandon.
>> >
>> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid. 
>> > However,
> I
>> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
>> > drawer
>> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
> been
>> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
>> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
>> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
> but
>> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
>> > modern
>> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
> I
>> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
> is
>> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>> >
>> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
> run
>> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
>> > You'll
>> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
>> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
>> > media
>> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
>> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Kevin
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>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>> >
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>> >>
>> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
> can
>> > go
>> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
> use,
>> > is
>> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> >> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> >> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> >> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> >> if you don&

Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Its not a program; its a music format, like mp3 or wavv.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
> Rosemarie
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Mari.
>>
>> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
>> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>>
>> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
>> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
>> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>>
>> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
>> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
>> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
>> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
>> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
>> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
>> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
>> their
>> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
>> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
>> another.
>>
>> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
>> it's
>> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
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>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>>
>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>>
>>> Mari Dole
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Kevin.  Where can you get this program called Lossless?
Rosemarie

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> Hi Mari.
>
> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>
> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>
> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have 
> their
> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
> another.
>
> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so 
> it's
> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>
>> Mari Dole
>>
>>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Tyler.

There's plenty of references to using OGG plug-ins in media player - just
google it.  As for the real format, well that's just too proprietary and
will never be supported widely by portable devices and is a pain to convert
so that's a non starter for me even if it is the best player in the world.

Regards.

Kevin
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> ahem...
>
> I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes
> even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist,
and
> at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music
> from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the
> tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that its
> real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen a
> big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays
> .ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp?
> thanks
>
> Tyler
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
> > Hi Brandon.
> >
> > Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However,
I
> > don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the
> > drawer
> > and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having
been
> > ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> > stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> > media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years
but
> > was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for
> > modern
> > formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.
I
> > haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX
is
> > ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
> >
> > As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks
run
> > into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.
> > You'll
> > see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> > experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that
> > media
> > player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> > surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Kevin
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> > From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
> >
> >
> >> hi,
> >> here's my thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you
can
> > go
> >> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to
use,
> > is
> >> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> >> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> >> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> >> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> >> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> > ripping
> >> as well as converting between different formats.
> >>
> >> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> > totally
> >> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> > all
> >> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> > method
> >> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10
minutes
> >> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while
ripping.
> >> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to
> >> use
> >> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> >> available that media player doesn't have.
> >>
> >>

RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Bruce Toews

I play copy-protected WMA files with no difficulty using Winamp.

bruce

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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, André van Deventer wrote:


Hi all

Just one thing I have found and also the reason why I do not use winamp.

Many download services like od2.com which is the one used by a South African
company here, encrypt their files in copywrited wma format.  I have never
found a version of winamp that can play them.  And therefore I prefer to use
one player that can support the formats I need, i.e. wma lossless, mp3 and
copywrighted wma files.

Andre


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hi kevin,
you probably have some good points here. i haven't really bothered to try
and mess with media player for live albums in my posession.
as for doing better with WMA, yeah. some of microsoft's products do actually
work together.

there are several bonuses for winamp, though. for one, it's about half the
size of media player, even with the full version, which if you're on dial up
like myself is a plus. also all the shoutcast stations that are available
and free to broadcast to and listen to. i'm a pretty big fan of internet
radio and i like shoutcast and icecast stuff.
the winamp library i think does actually rip into WMA lossless, in the
latest version 5.22. mp3 ripping is not available without purchasse, which
is kind of sucky, but it does offer aac+ and if there were media players out
there you can bet i'd have everything in that beautiful beautiful format.

I didn't know that CDEX had released a new version that isn't free. can you
send me the url so I can check it out?
the free version also rips into aac+, mp3, ogg and a few lossless encoding
technologies, so if i ever used them i'd do that. however i can't tell much
of a difference between the original cd and my 192 kbps mp3 files, or even
my 120 kbps ogg files with whatever compression i installed, can't remember
the name of it at the moment.
i suppose it all comes down to what you use the media player for, the music
you rip and what you listen to.
brandon

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Tyler.

You can use your JAWS cursor to check the status of the rip.  Just below the
menu bar there's a toolbar that says 'stop rip' when ripping is in progress
and this changes to 'rip music' when the rip is completed.  The automatic
ejection of the CD is more convenient though, of course.

Regards.

Kevin
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> Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:
>
> 1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until
you
> hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however, something
> similar will be there.
> 3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You can
> check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I
> think.
> Click rip music.
>
> If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of the
> music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to
> options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option
where
> you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its
hard
> to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp
> doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip cd
at
> when inserted; this is all personal preference.
>
> hope that helped
> Tyler
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> Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
> > Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the
"My
> > Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?  If
> > so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to
have
> > a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
> > Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Andre.

Yes, it's certainly true that music of low complexity will need less
information held to represent the music.  When I've previously ripped in
variable rate MP3 format with high quality, it was difficult to find a 60's
track that wanted more than 192kbps whereas most off the music that I listen
to, 70's and 80's classic rock, is looking for 256kbps and above.

When ripping in lossless WMA, this applies variable rate and so again will
yield smaller files for music of low complexity.

Regards.

Kevin
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> Hi all
>
> Just another question about this for which there is probably not really an
> answer.
>
> Are there some music which can actually be e.g. ripped to mp3 format
without
> really losing too much or no sound quality?
>
> I am thinking now of e.g. music recorded in the fifties and sixties,
single
> instruments or people singing with very small accomponiments?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Andre
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
> Sent: 04 June 2006 08:03 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> Hi Mari.
>
> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>
> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>
> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have
their
> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
> another.
>
> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so
it's
> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
> > tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
> > this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
> > Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
> >
> > Mari Dole
> >
> >
> >
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Brandon.

It was a while back when I looked at the latest version of CDEX and I think
it's the version on www.whitestick.co.uk that was no longer freeware,
version 1.6.0 beta.  Despite it being advertised as freeware, I remember
downloading and seeing that it had now become shareware.

I still use version 1.51 occasionally when I'm wanting to rip and merge
tracks from a CD into WAV files and this version still seems to be around on
most web sites though most recommend that you upgrade the lame encoder.

Couldn't agree with you more that it's all about what you listen to and on
what equipment.  Personally, I have a laptop in my lounge linked wirelessly
to my collection which is held on external hard drives in my converted loft
office.  The laptop has an external USB soundcard that is in turn linked
into my Linn hi-fi and I get a great sound with lossless WMA.  I also have a
creative zen portable player and have music encoded in MP3 at 320kbps on
this player, so, as you say, it's really horses for courses.

Regards.

Kevin
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> hi kevin,
> you probably have some good points here. i haven't really bothered to try
> and mess with media player for live albums in my posession.
> as for doing better with WMA, yeah. some of microsoft's products do
actually
> work together.
>
> there are several bonuses for winamp, though. for one, it's about half the
> size of media player, even with the full version, which if you're on dial
up
> like myself is a plus. also all the shoutcast stations that are available
> and free to broadcast to and listen to. i'm a pretty big fan of internet
> radio and i like shoutcast and icecast stuff.
> the winamp library i think does actually rip into WMA lossless, in the
> latest version 5.22. mp3 ripping is not available without purchasse, which
> is kind of sucky, but it does offer aac+ and if there were media players
out
> there you can bet i'd have everything in that beautiful beautiful format.
>
> I didn't know that CDEX had released a new version that isn't free. can
you
> send me the url so I can check it out?
> the free version also rips into aac+, mp3, ogg and a few lossless encoding
> technologies, so if i ever used them i'd do that. however i can't tell
much
> of a difference between the original cd and my 192 kbps mp3 files, or even
> my 120 kbps ogg files with whatever compression i installed, can't
remember
> the name of it at the moment.
> i suppose it all comes down to what you use the media player for, the
music
> you rip and what you listen to.
> brandon
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Do you mean licensed files? My winamp plays them. That's too bad, though, if 
its a really long file in wmp you can't really have a "bookmark" where in 
winamp there are time markers.

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
You could always try cdex or exact audio copy. (I don't have the link right 
off hand for the latter). By use of a compressor (a good one, mind you like 
laim or such) you can get a variable bitrate, which means the music will go 
up or down in KBPS depending on the complexity or voluem of the music. There 
is a very comprehensive guide on installing and using the program but, 
again, I lost the link- sorry. I'm sure if you googled it, though, you might 
find exact audio copy. If I find it I'll email you privately.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi all
>
> Just another question about this for which there is probably not really an
> answer.
>
> Are there some music which can actually be e.g. ripped to mp3 format 
> without
> really losing too much or no sound quality?
>
> I am thinking now of e.g. music recorded in the fifties and sixties, 
> single
> instruments or people singing with very small accomponiments?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Andre
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
> Sent: 04 June 2006 08:03 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
> Hi Mari.
>
> Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
> confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.
>
> Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
> during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
> intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.
>
> The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
> and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
> the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
> smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
> techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
> missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
> whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have 
> their
> own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
> that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
> another.
>
> Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so 
> it's
> worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
> Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
>> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
>> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
>> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>>
>> Mari Dole
>>
>>
>>
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread André van Deventer
Hi all

Just one thing I have found and also the reason why I do not use winamp.

Many download services like od2.com which is the one used by a South African
company here, encrypt their files in copywrited wma format.  I have never
found a version of winamp that can play them.  And therefore I prefer to use
one player that can support the formats I need, i.e. wma lossless, mp3 and
copywrighted wma files.

Andre
 

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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

hi kevin,
you probably have some good points here. i haven't really bothered to try
and mess with media player for live albums in my posession.
as for doing better with WMA, yeah. some of microsoft's products do actually
work together.

there are several bonuses for winamp, though. for one, it's about half the
size of media player, even with the full version, which if you're on dial up
like myself is a plus. also all the shoutcast stations that are available
and free to broadcast to and listen to. i'm a pretty big fan of internet
radio and i like shoutcast and icecast stuff.
the winamp library i think does actually rip into WMA lossless, in the
latest version 5.22. mp3 ripping is not available without purchasse, which
is kind of sucky, but it does offer aac+ and if there were media players out
there you can bet i'd have everything in that beautiful beautiful format.

I didn't know that CDEX had released a new version that isn't free. can you
send me the url so I can check it out?
the free version also rips into aac+, mp3, ogg and a few lossless encoding
technologies, so if i ever used them i'd do that. however i can't tell much
of a difference between the original cd and my 192 kbps mp3 files, or even
my 120 kbps ogg files with whatever compression i installed, can't remember
the name of it at the moment.
i suppose it all comes down to what you use the media player for, the music
you rip and what you listen to.
brandon

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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread André van Deventer
Hi all

Just another question about this for which there is probably not really an
answer.

Are there some music which can actually be e.g. ripped to mp3 format without
really losing too much or no sound quality?

I am thinking now of e.g. music recorded in the fifties and sixties, single
instruments or people singing with very small accomponiments?

Just curious.

Andre
 

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Sent: 04 June 2006 08:03 PM
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Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

Hi Mari.

Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.

Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.

The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have their
own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
another.

Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so it's
worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.

Regards.

Kevin
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>
> Mari Dole
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:18 AM
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> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
ahem...

I'd have to say that real player would win against playing all filetypes 
even though it may be hard to get used to. Its easy to make a playlist, and 
at least in my experience its a good all-around player. You can rip music 
from real player, too. It it doesn't get much simpler: put a cd into the 
tray and have it rip to your library automaticly. Only problem is that its 
real format which is a drag. Not to argue or anything but I haven't seen a 
big difference in winamp and windows meedia player, though. Winamp plays 
.ogg. Is that the only player that does? Or is there a pluggin for wmp? 
thanks

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Brandon.
>
> Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However, I
> don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the 
> drawer
> and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having been
> ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
> stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
> media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years but
> was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for 
> modern
> formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.  I
> haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX is
> ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.
>
> As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks run
> into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10. 
> You'll
> see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
> experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that 
> media
> player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
> surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
>> hi,
>> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can
> go
>> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use,
> is
>> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
>> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
>> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
>> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
> ripping
>> as well as converting between different formats.
>>
>> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
> totally
>> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
> all
>> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
> method
>> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
>> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
>> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to 
>> use
>> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
>> available that media player doesn't have.
>>
>> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
>> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
>> though.
>> winamp can be gotten from
>> http://www.winamp.com
>> that's about it from me.
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
To add to that, though, windows meedia player is good for a beginner. Then 
you could move up to cdex when you know all of the ripping methods and such.

Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi,
> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>
> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can 
> go
> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use, 
> is
> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for 
> ripping
> as well as converting between different formats.
>
> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's 
> totally
> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's 
> all
> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good 
> method
> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> available that media player doesn't have.
>
> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
> though.
> winamp can be gotten from
> http://www.winamp.com
> that's about it from me.
> Brandon Hicks
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
This is a method, I believe, that is kind of like bariable bitrate. By this 
I mean that the bitrates will switch between 128 and 60 or something 
similar, depending of the complexity of the music and part of the small. By 
doing this, the music will sound just as good and the file will be smaller. 
Maybe this is wrong. Sorry if it is.

Tyler
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> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>
> Mari Dole
>
>
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Tyler Wood
Ripping cds with windows meedia player is easy:

1. open windows meedia player.2. Asuming you have version 10, tab until you 
hear "rip cd" or something; even if you don't have 10, however, something 
similar will be there.
3. Press space, and tab until you see a list box with checkboxes. You can 
check which songs you would like ripped; all are checked as default, I 
think.
Click rip music.

If you'd like to change where your music gets ripped to, the format of the 
music and the quolity of the music which you rip, press alt-t and go to 
options. Press control tab until you hear rip music; theres an option where 
you can set the cd to eject when its finished, I'd check this since its hard 
to tell when the cd is done if you can't see the progress bar and wmp 
doesn't really have a finish diologue or anything. There is also a rip cd at 
when inserted; this is all personal preference.

hope that helped
Tyler
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> Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the "My 
> Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?  If 
> so, could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to have 
> a special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
> Rosemarie
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi kevin,
you probably have some good points here. i haven't really bothered to try
and mess with media player for live albums in my posession.
as for doing better with WMA, yeah. some of microsoft's products do actually
work together.

there are several bonuses for winamp, though. for one, it's about half the
size of media player, even with the full version, which if you're on dial up
like myself is a plus. also all the shoutcast stations that are available
and free to broadcast to and listen to. i'm a pretty big fan of internet
radio and i like shoutcast and icecast stuff.
the winamp library i think does actually rip into WMA lossless, in the
latest version 5.22. mp3 ripping is not available without purchasse, which
is kind of sucky, but it does offer aac+ and if there were media players out
there you can bet i'd have everything in that beautiful beautiful format.

I didn't know that CDEX had released a new version that isn't free. can you
send me the url so I can check it out?
the free version also rips into aac+, mp3, ogg and a few lossless encoding
technologies, so if i ever used them i'd do that. however i can't tell much
of a difference between the original cd and my 192 kbps mp3 files, or even
my 120 kbps ogg files with whatever compression i installed, can't remember
the name of it at the moment.
i suppose it all comes down to what you use the media player for, the music
you rip and what you listen to.
brandon

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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Mari.

Not a stupid question at all - the myriad of formats are definitely
confusing until you get more acquainted with digital music.

Basically, lossless means that nothing has been taken away from the music
during compression.  So, all of your high and low frequencies are left
intact and therefore the quality of the source music is preserved.

The opposite of lossless is known as lossy.  This covers formats like MP3
and WMA files ripped at lower bit rates.  With lossy compression, some of
the high and low frequencies are lost to compress the music down into the
smallest space possible.  There are also a number of psycho-acoustic
techniques used to remove parts of the music that is deemed will not be
missed by the listener such as quieter sounds that happen to be playing
whilst there is a louder sound almost obscuring it.  All formats have their
own proprietary algorithms that dictate how the music is processed and
that's why it's never a good idea to convert from one lossy format to
another.

Lossless files take up a lot more disc space than lossy formats and so it's
worth bearing this in mind when deciding on what format to use.

Regards.

Kevin
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Subject: RE: ripping CD's with windows media player


> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
> tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
> this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
> Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again.
>
> Mari Dole
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
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> Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player
>
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Brandon.

Don't completely disagree with your points below - very valid.  However, I
don't think it gets much easier to rip a CD than placing a CD in the drawer
and having it automatically ejected less than 2 minutes later having been
ripped to the format of your choice which once set as your default will
stick.  You're free to do as much or as little with your computer while
media player is ripping too.  I personally ripped with CDEX for years but
was converted over to media player due to CDEX's lack of support for modern
formats and, in particular, the format I use most often, lossless WMA.  I
haven't regretted it.  Also bear in mind that the free version of CDEX is
ancient now and the current version is not free unlike media player 10.

As far as playback goes, try playing a concept album where the tracks run
into each other or a live album in both winamp and media player 10.  You'll
see that media player wins hands down in providing a seemless listening
experience.  As for quality, it's very subjective but I do think that media
player does a better job with WMA than winamp.  I suppose that's not a
surprise given it's a  microsoft player playing a microsoft format?

Regards.

Kevin
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: ripping CD's with windows media player


> hi,
> here's my thoughts on the subject.
>
> windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can
go
> out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use,
is
> focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
> windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
> scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
> if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for
ripping
> as well as converting between different formats.
>
> as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's
totally
> scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's
all
> keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good
method
> despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
> with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
> winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
> than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
> available that media player doesn't have.
>
> the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
> doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
> though.
> winamp can be gotten from
> http://www.winamp.com
> that's about it from me.
> Brandon Hicks
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> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Brandon Hicks
hi,
here's my thoughts on the subject.

windows media player isn't nearly the best choice for cd ripping. you can go
out and download a free program such as CDEX which is much easier to use, is
focused on ripping and allows you to convert into mp3 much easier than
windows media, as well as having more ripping modes if those cd's are
scratched. to get it, or even just check it out, go to
http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
if you don't like it, you can remove it, but i personally use it for ripping
as well as converting between different formats.

as for playing music, I know a lot of blind people use winamp. it's totally
scripted, and doesn't have a bunch of garbage that you don't need. it's all
keyboard controled and easy. it rips cd's as well, and is also a good method
despite being a bit slower. on my pc, it still ripped a cd in 10 minutes
with little processor eating up, so i could do other stuff while ripping.
winamp allows you to burn cd's as well, and in my opinion is easier to use
than media player, besides having more internet broadcasting stations
available that media player doesn't have.

the only disadvantage to winamp, and this can be gotten around, is it
doesn't play dvd movies. there are plugins that allow you to do this,
though.
winamp can be gotten from
http://www.winamp.com
that's about it from me.
Brandon Hicks
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread denise avant
Hello,
Beginning with windows media player 9, you should be able to rip cds. The
default is wma. If you want to rip using any other format such as mp3, you
will have to go into the options and change that. With 9, you needed an mp3
incoder. But with 10, you do not. I did have a lot of trouble with media
player telling me I needed an in coder with 10. but I no longer have the
problem. I am not exactly sure what I did to get it fixed, but I'm ripping
to mp3 just fine now. It doesn't seem like windows media plaer 10 is all
that speech friendly though. But you can use it.
 

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Subject: ripping CD's with windows media player

Hi, everyone.  I have a lot of oldies CD's that I'd like to put in the "My
Music" folder.  Has anyone had much luck with windows media player?  If so,
could someone please tell me how to rip my CD's?  Would I have to have a
special program to rip CD's?  Thank you for your help in advance.
Rosemarie
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RE: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread mary dole
Hi Kevin, 

Thank you so much for sharing the step-by-step method for extracting
tracks with Windows Media Player. I have just begun learning how to do
this, and I was a bit confused. One question: What is "lossless"?
Stupid, I know, but I'm a beginner. Thank you again. 

Mari Dole 



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Re: ripping CD's with windows media player

2006-06-04 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi Rosemary.

Here's a few notes I put together for a friend on ripping CD's using windows
media player 10.  Hope they may be of some use.

Now, for ripping losslessly.  The good news is that the program is free and
you'll probably already have it.  It's windows media player.  You will need
to have media player 10 though to rip losslessly.
The format I use is WMA rather than WAV.  The WMA  format has the advantage
that it supports ID3 tags which WAV doesn't.  The ID3  tags are used to hold
information about the music such as artist, album name, track number, track
title, genre, year released, etc.  The WMA format also takes a little less
space than WAV as it's compressed but compressed losslessly.
What you'll need to do?
1.  Start windows media player.
2.  Press alt and T to open the tools menu.
3.  Use the up arrow to find the options menu and press enter.
4.  You'll now be in the player tab.  Press shift & tab to move up to the
list of tabs and then right arrow to locate the ripping tab.
5.  Tabbing once will land you on the change button.  Pressing spacebar or
enter will open a dialogue that will allow you to change where you rip your
music
to.  Initially this will be set to my music in the my documents folder.
6.  Pressing tab again will land you on the file name button.  This is where
you can specify how you want your ripped music files to be named.  The
default
is that you'll get a folder with the artist name and inside there a folder
with the album name.  Opening the album folder will reveal the tracks in the
format track number dash track title.
7.  Pressing tab again will land you in a combo box where you can choose the
format of your ripped music.  The choices are MP3, windows media audio, WAV
or windows media audio lossless.
8.  Pressing tab again will land you on a button where you can go and learn
a little more about MP3 and WMA formats.
9.  Pressing tab again will land you on the copy protect checkbox.  Make
sure this is unchecked otherwise you'll start having problems moving your
music
around from player to player.
10.  The next checkbox is rip music when CD is inserted.  This is very
useful if you want to rip a number of CD's at a time.  If you have media
player started
and this is checked, when you close your CD drawer with a CD inserted, it
will be automatically ripped.
11.  The following checkbox is eject CD when ripping is complete.  This
again is useful with the above checkbox so that you can keep feeding CD's
into the
computer and have them ejected to take out and put the next CD in.
12.  Tabbing again will land you on a compare music formats.  This is
another informational option to go and find out more about formats and
listen to some
samples that demonstrate  the differences in format.
13.  Now you've probably noticed that I've missed a combo box while
describing this.  It's only seen if you have the MP3 or windows media audio
format chosen
and it let's you choose the quality of your ripped music.  It doesn't show
if you choose WAV or windows media audio lossless as these are always ripped
at 100% quality.  If you do want to use MP3 or WMA at lower bit rates, you
can use the arrow keys to choose the quality.  If you use your JAWS cursor
each
time you change the setting you'll see some extra information about the
quality you've chosen.
14.  When you've made all your changes tab to the OK button and press enter
to save them.  They'll remain as your default settings.
Once I've ripped a CD I use a program called goldwave to set the volume so
that all my ripped music is at the same volume level.  You know how some
CD's
are quiter than others so this makes listening to shuffled music a lot
better.  That's probably another topic for another day if you don't
currently use
goldwave.  Let me know if you're interested once you've started ripping some
CD's and I'll cover this.

Regards.

Kevin
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- Original Message -
From:
Walter Ramage
To:
Kevin Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: I took the plunge

Hi Kevin.
I am really pleased that you now have a new player and especially that you
are pleased with it, in the end that is the most important thing.  From your
description it is a little different from the model I have.  I wonder if you
have the model I could have got.  That one was the same specs. as the one
I have but the only difference in facilities was it had a colour screen
whereas the model I have is black & white which you can imagine is fine with
me.
 The model with the colour screen was £220 and it was foolish to pay an
extra £70 for something I wouldn't be able to use nor appreciate.  That
model also
had a slightly different facia layout.  Anyhow I hope you have many hours of
pleasure from it.  I noticed your posting this morning on the  Pc audio
list.
 You have a very good way of explaining your ideas and you demonstrate an in
depth knowledge of the subject.  I wish I had a fraction of your knowledge
but my compu