Pentax Digital Spotmeter
Hi guys, Once again an item at my local camera shop is tempting me :) This time it's a Pentax digital spotmeter. At the moment I use a Sekonic L328 with the 5-degree spot attachment. The only problems I have with it are parallax error at close distances, the fact that I can't read the EV scale through the viewfinder, and it bottoms out at EV2. Oh, and the display is not backlit. After playing with the Pentax a little the only problems I found are that I'm too used to the 1/10th stop resolution of the Sekonic, and that it takes a weird battery (Sekonic takes 1xAA). 1/3-stop readout is a pain when I can only set my cameras in 1/2-stop increments (I'm nitpicking). I also noticed that even though the spec says EV1-20 it will display down to EV0 (or does it just say 0 when the light is too low?). It's also quite expensive but as its selling at about 1/3rd the current NZ retail price I'm getting just a little tempted :) Also, the 1 degree spot and true TTL readout will be handy at times. I'd like to hear from some of you who've used this meter and could add some good/bad points to help me decide whether it's worth adding alongside the Sekonic (I am not going to sell it as its a great ambient/flash meter as well). Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Screw Mount Lenses Bodies
I don't use 'em, and I don't want to be a collector, so here are a few items that are looking for a good home: SMCT 35/2.0 SMCT 35/3.5 SMCT 28/3.5 ST 50/1.4 Macro Tak 50/4.0 converted to K-mount ST 105/2.8 SMCT 105/2.8 Spot F Chrome (Cosmetically superb, mechanically excellent) Spot F Black (nicely brassed, mechanically superb) Spot II Looks rough, mechanically superb Spot F Owner's Manual The Pentax Way by Keppler Pentax Single Lens Reflex Photography by Rbt Fuhring Contact me off list for details and prices. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm vs. Medium Format
Pål, I haven't put my pack on the scale, but what you write seems very much in line with my own experience. -Even if I'm not a mountain goat...:-) My 645 kit contains the house, A*300/4, A120/4 macro, A75/2.8, A45/2.8, right angle viewfinder and one spare film holder. This fits very neatly into a LowePro MiniTrekker. There's room for one more lens too. Currently, a A150/3.5 sits there, but it will be replaced by a 35mm as soon as I can afford it. BTW, the MiniTrekker is a great piece of luggage! Small, but big enough. Photographic equipment has a tendency to behave like ideal gases, it eventually occupies all available volume. So keeping the bag small is importatnt. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:10:09 +0200 As many among us I'm too overburdened by equipment. I have been using a LowePro Pro trekker backpack but as the saying goes, when you fill them up they are too heavy to lift. Since I'm using both medium format and 35mm format I have been struggling streamlining my equipment choices for various needs while maintaining low weight. I have even been toying with the idea of selling off my medium format equipment but a look at the MF chromes the 645n produce has made me forget the thought. I've more and less turned into a bird and mountain landscape (that is on top of the mountains; not below them) photographer and for my landscape use weigth is important. Common thinking says that MF gear is heavy butAnyway, I've both a LowePro Orion AW trekker which is a revelation compared to the Pro trekker. I've been using the calculator to see what my equipment actually weight and how best take advantage of it. 1. My complete landscape 35mm outfit consist of the MZ-S or the LX, 18/3,5, A 24/2.8, FA 31/1.8 (not bought yet), FA 43/1.9, FA 77/1.8 and FA 200/4 Macro. This outfit weights 2870g (with the MZ- S). 2. My complete MF/35mm landscape set consist of the MZ-S, 645n, FA645 75/2.8, FA645 45/2.8, FA645 120/4 Macro, 18/3.5, and A 24/2.8. + converter for using the 120/4 on the MZ-S. This outfit weights 3620g. 3. A hypothetical complete 645n based system: A645 35/3,5, FA645 45/2.8, FA645 75/2.8, FA645 120/4 Macro, FA645 300/5.6. This outfit weights 3895g. I'm a bit surprised by the results. MF gear isn't as heavy as perceived. The weight difference between set 1. and 2. isn't really felt in the field so I could just as well use the 645n. The weight difference between 2. and 3. is certainly not major so a total MF set seems to be an ideal setup. Ok so the 18mm make you go slightly wider but not enough to compensate for the vastly better image quality of th 35mm (about 21mm in 35mm terms). It seems to me that in order to make a 35mm based system significantly lighter than a 645n based system, you really need to use those slow plastic zoom lenses. Again this illustrate the need for compact high quality zooms for quality work when weight is important. These lenses are mysteriously missing from the manufacturers line ups. However, the weight of my MF system really doesn't feel like a burden and question arises whether I have any need for something significantly lighter. I think om going to upgrade to that 645n II and perhaps further expand my 645 system... Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital Spotmeter
David ... I've a Pentax Digital Spotmeter and think it's wonderful. If you understand its workings you'll find that it'll give you about 1/6 stop readings. I have nothing negative to say about this meter except that, in very low light situations, it's sometimes hard for me to find the central spot. OTOH, it's proven to be accurate, reliable, easy to use, and very simple to operate. There are no unnecessary bells and whistles. The Pentax Spotmeters have earned a well deserved reputation, and are the meters by which all other spot meters are judged. I carry mine with me every day, and it gets banged about, but it's never given me a hint of trouble. IMO, there are no bad points to the meter other than, for me, trying to find the central spot in very low light situations while trying to read off a dark object. Do a Google search on Pentax Spotmeter and you'll find numerous articles and comments about the meter. The comments are all quite positive. If you can get it at a good price, grab it. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] David A. Mann wrote: Hi guys, Once again an item at my local camera shop is tempting me :) This time it's a Pentax digital spotmeter [...] I'd like to hear from some of you who've used this meter and could add some good/bad points to help me decide whether it's worth adding alongside the Sekonic (I am not going to sell it as its a great ambient/flash meter as well). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Personal gallery update, comments will be appreciated
- Original Message - From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:12 AM Subject: Re: Personal gallery update, comments will be appreciated You have some cute kids. Believe me, with four of them it's often hard to say that! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Memories fade faster than Crystal Archive. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
The Muse is a meanie who keeps nagging and poking and prodding me and reminding me to make pictures and music, and when I manage to ignore those, she becomes a temptress, dresses up in available light, and dangles sultry sounds and seductive image ideas before me until the tools of my craft, guitar and camera, rise up unbidden in my hands to do her bidding even as I attempt to resist her charms. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I photograph to put the outdoors that I love onto film. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1180
In a message dated 26/08/01 20:54:47 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finally, a couple of questions - 1. With a grip attached, what do LXers do to attach a strap - and *don't* want to hang it vertically (using the two free lugs) ? We are still trying to obtain the spare part Grip B for LX2000 - that will solve your problem. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Photography to me is a blend of artistic creativity technological expertise that fulfills my childhood dream to show to people the things I see, which I could not pursue when I found I was not really that talented artist and wont be able to make living with it and realized that I dont have that much time to do the painting. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[3]: picking black and white print film
Bob wrote: BW It is very difficult psycholgically to do this, imo. Loading a colour BW film, then trying to shoot with a bw mindset is something I BW personally just can't do. Other people perhaps have no problem doing BW it. I really doubt others shoot colour and bw the same way. If one can't see through the viewfinder in black and white then miserable failure is guaranteed with BW film. Black and white is all about lines and profiles, shadows and mood. Colour is the greatest enemy if you cant't visualize it in grays. Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Cross Polar Flash Photography (Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps )
Ann According to the Edmund Scientific website, polarizing film can be had for about $15 for a sheet 8.5 inches by 5 inches or a 2 inch square 2 pack can be had for $6.40. As I understand it you need two pretty strong strobes since you'll be losing a lot of light. To orient the films overlay your lens' polarizing filter with the film and rotate for miminum tranmittance. Mark the top of the film and the top of the polarizing filter in this orientation. Now when you install the film on the strobes and the filter on your lens make sure your marks are still on top. In the applications I've heard of the strobes were mounted on a bracket attached to the camera with one strobe on each side. To see an example of this technique in use go to www.leppimages.com and choose to view the Shoreline Print collection. The sand dollar picture labeled Sparkling Embrace (lower left on page 1) used the cross polar technique. Note it retains the strongest reflections withouth the image being overpowered. I'm not sure about the other two sand dollar pictures. I'm sure an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would yield a list of which of his images were made using the cross polar technique. Ann wrote: Kevin - so glad you brought that up -- I mentioned it almost a year ago when I first got on the list - no one seemed to know about it. I was basically asking for exactly what you explained - how to establish the angles. I was thinking of using floods instead of flashes, tho for the two auxiliary lights. My idea was to cross Nichols looking through the camera at the polarizer on the light source(s) rotating the polarizer on the camera only 'til it turned black. I have an awful feeling those polarized sheets are expensive as all get out though. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentance
I can't draw. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Comments on Dan Matyola, Bill Peifer, Dave O'Brien
Adelheid wrote: Bill Peifer Mars Rising: A Self-Portrait I had a closer look at your pic and realized that cropping might do it some good. Get rid of the bright light on the left side and cut the sky a bit. I like the colours though. The warm light between the trees and the sky is very nice. Your idea of a selfportrait is amusing ;-). Hi Adelheid, Thanks for the comments, and thanks also for taking the time to make the cropped version you sent me off-list. I like your idea of cropping that bright light on the left -- that works well. I hadn't played with this idea since I was worried about getting the image of myself too close to the left edge, and I thought it might be somewhat unsettling if I appeared close enough to fall out of the image. (Rule of thirds, and all that.) Your crop has struck a pretty good balance here, I think. The vertical part of your crop discards some sky, and this makes for an interesting effect. I had been thinking more in terms of preserving sky and cropping (or reshooting) in order to remove the ground. Again, thanks for your comments. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Show Me the Money! !8^) (... of course there's always pretty girls friends, too) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
me toobob poe --- Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To speak in another language. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . = What boots up must come down. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: picking black and white print film
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Me too. Yellow for most things - orange for a lot of stuff, too. as for film - TX developed in Microdol 1:3 for fine grain. Just to add a me three: I like to shoot with a #25 red most of the time when I'm shooting bw (and not shooting in the dark or near-dark). Yes, it eats up a ton of light (2.5 stops), but I love the effect, and the monochrome viewfinder helps me visualize in bw. I'm a fan of Ilford HP5, Fuji Neopan 1600, Ilford Delta 3200 and Agfapan 25. Usually I process everything in Agfa Studional in Mister Jobo, but I also like Ilford Microphen for the fast films when I'm pushing. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
One Sentence
It's one of the things that keeps myself alive. Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I see, therefore I photograph. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm vs. Medium Format
At 08:46 AM 8/27/2001 +0200, you wrote: BTW, the MiniTrekker is a great piece of luggage! Small, but big enough. Photographic equipment has a tendency to behave like ideal gases, it eventually occupies all available volume. So keeping the bag small is importatnt. Speaking of bags, did you guys know the new Pentax bag was designed for medium format? It's very tall, you can shove your 645n with 120 in one of the pockets, and still have room for 5 pockets left over. Plus it's got very cool holders for the backs. It's a nice bag. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Aaron need film advise
I have 20 models to shoot this weekend ( don't ask how I fell into this ) and need advise on good medium light colour film. There will be outdoor and indoor with on camera flash and non ttl light stand. What do you recomend oh guru . ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm vs. Medium Format
Paul wrote: Do you notice any different between your shots with the 645 and your 35mm when they arnt blown up toa huge size? Yes. If you need huge size of prints to spot the difference they you're really judging the quality of the print process, not the original. I contrast to common belief its really not resolution that makes a MF image of 35mm. Its the larger and smoother tonality is what really makes the difference. I shot countless of MF and 35mm side by side and it never fail to amaze me of much more impact the MF chrome has. The are many example of where the 35mm slide its just OK where the same image on MF jumps out at you. There are landscape photographers who have made a carrier based on the 35mm format. What they do is honing their vision to fit the format. That is, exploiting simple, graphic design and loud colors. This appoach is OK. However, another posibility is to let the vision dictate the format. MF open up posibilities; there are images that simply don't work as well in smaller format. Particularly landscape images that lend themselves to visual exploring. The fact that a Pentax 645n system covering focal length from approximately 20mm to 200mm (in 35mm terms) can be had at the same weight as a high-end 35mm system, is a deciding factor for me. In spite of the virtues of 35mm, MF open up image posibilities. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I have so many reasons to photograph, that I have none. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Pentax A* 135/1.8
In couple of weeks I will be able to sell my A* 135/1.8 lens. I was planning the e-bay route but if someone will give me an acceptable offer I might save that hassle. The lens is in very nice shape. Glass is perfect. Some brassing on aperture ring. Comes with original lens hood and hard leather case. Give me an offer! Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Pentax-A 2X-L Converter
FS: Pentax-A 2X-L Converter in original box with leather case w/manual. Close to mint. 270USD Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Pentax-A 2X-S Converter
FS: Pentax-A 2X-S Converter in excellent shape. In original box + manual and leather case. 160USD Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I do photograph because it's easier for me than talking, and as much necessary as breathing. Gianfranco __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aaron need film advise
Fuji 200 From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron need film advise Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) I have 20 models to shoot this weekend ( don't ask how I fell into this ) and need advise on good medium light colour film. There will be outdoor and indoor with on camera flash and non ttl light stand. What do you recomend oh guru . ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Snap, cracle, pop, oh n! Jeff. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
I want a reminder of at least a small percentage of what I have seen and experienced, especially as forgetful as I am. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Doug Brewer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: One Sentence Hi. Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could be interesting. It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started: I have a need to show everyone else what I see. thanks, Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aaron need film advise
Sorry I am not the guru, but I would go with Fuji Reala or Kodak Portra 160NC. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:38 AM Subject: Aaron need film advise I have 20 models to shoot this weekend ( don't ask how I fell into this ) and need advise on good medium light colour film. There will be outdoor and indoor with on camera flash and non ttl light stand. What do you recomend oh guru . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital Spotmeter
Hi ... I have both the Digital (Zone VI modified) and the analog Spotmeter V. There are times when I prefer the analog view as it shows the relationship between exposure values without having to take one's eye from the meter, and because, in very low light, it's easier for me to see the center spot. Other than that, the smaller size of the digital, plus the modification, make it a better all around meter in that it's easier to carry and use. Someday, perhaps, I'll get the Spot V modified, or pick up a modified version of one. IAC, they are excellent meters ... get one, David. Bob Rapp wrote: Pentax had both analogue and digital spotmeters. I have had both and if it were stolen, I would buy the analogue. The reason is I am colour blind and the red leds are difficult for me the see in strong daylight. Plus, I'm have a analogue / logarithmic mind. One note for all Pentax spotmeter owners shooting black and white. Calumet / Zone VI sell and or convert the spotmeters to match the sensitivity of real film. There is no spotmeter on the market that will match the modified meters performance. TRUST ME ON THAT!!! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. That's difficult for me to understand. How can a photograph be more perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real world's imperfections? Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more perfect human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing an image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of paper? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I'm guessing that he really is meaning to expose to the viewer a different perspective that he would otherwise might not have seen. There is wonder and beauty all around us if we but take the time to explore and recognize. Photography can be a way to encourage people to do so. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: One Sentence PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. That's difficult for me to understand. How can a photograph be more perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real world's imperfections? Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more perfect human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing an image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of paper? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S: My First Impression
I posted some time ago that I thought it unlikely that I'd buy one. Two just arrived in our office, though, so I took one home over the weekend. My impression of its usability is not positive. I'm not trying to start a flame war, or question anyone else's impression of the camera. My impression is conditioned by having been using the 1p, and by the size of my hands. Specifically, the individual controls are just too small and/or too stiff for hands the size of mine. I noticed this first on the metering mode and drive switches. Then I found that the selector dial could be turned with one finger only with substantial pressure. For ease of use it takes two fingers. It is easy, I discovered, to turn the camera off by accident if you use the selector dial with the camera at your eye. For much the same reason (as others have posted) the autofocus selector is essentially unusable. The left-side dial also takes two hands. Smaller hands might make some features easier to use, but the stiffness problem is intrinsic regardless of hand size. Coming to this camera from the 1p I find it awkward. It seems that one pays a high price in usability for cramming so many features into a small body. Perhaps such small bodies aren't the way to go if you want features. If you come to this camera from the 5n, you'll probably be impressed by the features. If you come to it from the 1p, you may be disappointed. That said, the one feature I truly liked is the easy DOF preview. This is a big improvement. Perhaps in time I can get used to the rest of it. It has been noted on this list that Pentax cares mainly about their home market. I don't know if they tested this camera anywhere outside Japan, but they certainly didn't design it for people with hands the size of mine. Joe P.S. Waiting for the MZ-Sp. P.P.S. On the other hand, the individualized third paint layer truly overcomes all of the above deficiencies. I gaze at it with awe. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: RE: picking black and white print film
Are there drawbacks to this method versus using a traditional darkroom? -Rich tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 08:08 AM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: Tom your response tweaked my interest.Could you quickly explain the process,might be interested in trying this. *My Abridged Version* - Load your film into a daylight tank - Pour in developer at the prescribed temperature. - Agitate the tank every minute - At the end of the prescribed time, dump out the developer. - Dump in the stop bath. - Agitate for 30 seconds, dump back into bottle if not exhausted. - Rinse with water - Dump in fixer. - Agitate every 30 seconds for 3-5 minutes. - Save or dump fixer - Wash - Hang to dry - Sleeve. Usually takes about 45 minutes per tank. This is a short version...to write down all the minutiae would take a couple of pages, but all the steps are here. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Enabled - and I only went out for a pork pie
Well well well, isn't it funny how things happen? I've occasionally grumbled here about my lack of success in finding a working replacement for my A 50/1.7. Well, this was a holiday weekend here in the UK, and we were off to the annual family gathering, so I made a dash into town on Saturday morning to pick up the hand-made pork pie I'd promised to take along. Something must have made me take the long way back to the car, and it took me past the window of our friendly but very small camera shop. Imagine my astonishment when I saw a 43 Limited at a price I could not possibly refuse. Turned out the proprietor had ordered it specially for some fashion-victim collector - who had in the meantime changed his mind and decided he was more interested in Voigtlanders - and was happy just to get rid of it. The lens is pristine, with all its boxes, bags and warranty cards, and I can still scarcely believe my luck - I'd simply never have considered it at the usual price. I had some opportunities to use it over the weekend, and first impressions are that it's a delight to hold, handle and focus. I certainly didn't notice any undue noise or slowness in autofocusing, and I might even say I prefer its feel in manual focusing to my M and A lenses. The viewfinder image is wonderful too - I can't wait to see the results! Still in a bit of a spin - does Enablement always feel like this? Clive. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enabled - and I only went out for a pork pie
Clive Williams wrote: Imagine my astonishment when I saw a 43 Limited at a price I could not possibly refuse [...] Still in a bit of a spin - does Enablement always feel like this? Sometimes it feels even better! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: picking black and white print film
There is no difference in the process of developing BW film regardless of whether you have a real or traditional darkroom or are working out of the trunk of your car, as Weegee did. The only difference is where you'd load the film into the developing tank and, perhaps, some convenience factors. Richard Klein wrote: Are there drawbacks to this method versus using a traditional darkroom? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I can... :-D Gianfranco Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's difficult for me to understand. How can a photograph be more perfect than what exists in the real world, even with the real world's imperfections? Can you make a more perfect flower, or a more perfect human, or a more perfect or more beautiful landscape by capturing an image and putting it in a two dimensional form on a piece of paper? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: RE: picking black and white print film
No, for rollfilm, unless you are using sheet film or machine processing...this IS the traditional darkroom method...just does not need to be in a darkroom. I use a changing bag and load my developing tank sitting in my lazyboy chair. Everything else is be done in daylight...even in a darkroom you would be able to turn on the light. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: Richard Klein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:22 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: RE: picking black and white print film Are there drawbacks to this method versus using a traditional darkroom? -Rich tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 08:08 AM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: Tom your response tweaked my interest.Could you quickly explain the process,might be interested in trying this. *My Abridged Version* - Load your film into a daylight tank - Pour in developer at the prescribed temperature. - Agitate the tank every minute - At the end of the prescribed time, dump out the developer. - Dump in the stop bath. - Agitate for 30 seconds, dump back into bottle if not exhausted. - Rinse with water - Dump in fixer. - Agitate every 30 seconds for 3-5 minutes. - Save or dump fixer - Wash - Hang to dry - Sleeve. Usually takes about 45 minutes per tank. This is a short version...to write down all the minutiae would take a couple of pages, but all the steps are here. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm vs. Medium Format
Pål wrote: The fact that a Pentax 645n system covering focal length from approximately 20mm to 200mm (in 35mm terms) can be had at the same weight as a high-end 35mm system, is a deciding factor for me. In spite of the virtues of 35mm, MF open up image posibilities. Two thoughts... 1) The next flagship may be a 645, as noted before. 2) The smooth textures and subtle tones Pål talked about may be the next 'edge' for film vs digital photos and cameras. The imaging CCD gets so big that even Moore's Law may not make it economical to market. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I take pictures for the memory, for the time when I couldn't make one anymore. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Why do I photograph? I see, therefore I photograph. William Robb This was the first thought I had. Those exact words. I photograph to emphasize the ordinary and make it extraordinary. Eric Lawton _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
Well, given that I never seem to get around to actually getting my exposed rolls *developed*, I'd have to say I take pictures because I love the feel of the various mechanisms in an SLR working. -Rich Doug Brewer wrote: Hi. Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could be interesting. It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started: I have a need to show everyone else what I see. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: RE: picking black and white print film
At 12:22 PM 8/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: Are there drawbacks to this method versus using a traditional darkroom? This *is* the traditional method of developing film. A darkroom is necessary for conventional printing. If you happen to have one, it's a convenient place to handle film. If you don't, you can use a changing bag, or jury rig something else. tv -Rich tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 08:08 AM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: Tom your response tweaked my interest.Could you quickly explain the process,might be interested in trying this. *My Abridged Version* - Load your film into a daylight tank - Pour in developer at the prescribed temperature. - Agitate the tank every minute - At the end of the prescribed time, dump out the developer. - Dump in the stop bath. - Agitate for 30 seconds, dump back into bottle if not exhausted. - Rinse with water - Dump in fixer. - Agitate every 30 seconds for 3-5 minutes. - Save or dump fixer - Wash - Hang to dry - Sleeve. Usually takes about 45 minutes per tank. This is a short version...to write down all the minutiae would take a couple of pages, but all the steps are here. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax 645n II
I have not been able to get more details about this camera just that its most likely not right around the corner. Perhaps we can expect release sometimes next year. The only confirmation on features was the presence of mirror lock. Rumors says it also has redesigned flash circuitry. This can probably only mean that it takes the new flas(es) released along with the MZ-s something that hopefully menas flash synch at all speed and flash compensation. The lack of mirror lock and the slow synch speed are the main drawbacks of the curent model so it makes sense. The fact that custom finctions are made possible set by the user and redesigned flash circuitry should indicate slight interface redesign to accomodate these features. It was rumored last year that Pentax was working on further miniaturization of their MF bodies; can we hope for body cover in lightweight magnesium alloy like on the MZ-S? Not very likely perhaps but nevertheless desireable... Pål - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: New Pentax 645n II 1.MLU 2.A 2-second-timer/works with MLU 3.1/2 step Av and Tv settings 4.User-activated Custom functions: -Program shift -AEB step change to 1/2, AEB sequence change (C-U-O,U-C-O) -Film ROLL NUMBER and counter indication in the wievfinder -Increasing/decreasing film counter -EV meter timer setting, 5,10,20,30s. -Additional data imprinting: AF mode AF point at wide AF mode ISO speed AE lock on/off AEB on/off Flash sync on/off Film roll number -New flash circuit design (I dunno about the body redesign but I doubt it will be any different.) --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
My future aspirations based solely on the past. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My First Impression
Joseph wrote: I'm not trying to start a flame war, or question anyone else's impression of the camera. My impression is conditioned by having been using the 1p, and by the size of my hands. My hands a very large and I also come from the Z-1p. he Z-1p don't fit large hands. In order to use the thumb wheel on the Z-1p I poke my eye. Specifically, the individual controls are just too small and/or too stiff for hands the size of mine. Thats weird. Even if my alread long thumb was twice as long it would still fit the main dial. The point is to keep the thumb straight, don't bend it. On the Z-1p, regardless if the thumb is held straight or not it still collide with my eye. I noticed this first on the metering mode and drive switches. Then I found that the selector dial could be turned with one finger only with substantial pressure. For ease of use it takes two fingers. This is not the case with my camera. If anything its not stiff enough. I believe the sample you have used must be faulty. It is easy, I discovered, to turn the camera off by accident if you use the selector dial with the camera at your eye. How is this possible? Never experienced it. For much the same reason (as others have posted) the autofocus selector is essentially unusable. Its only unusable if don't know how to hold the camera. If you insist of helding the Z-1p with your left hand its control layout is essentially unusable as well. If cradle the lens with your let hand, any long fingered person would have index fingers right on the AF selector. I never take my eye from the viewfinder while selecting AF points. The left-side dial also takes two hands. It doesn't. In fact, its impossible to adjust with two hands. It can easily be adjusted with one hand (left) whith the camera to the eye. I do it all the time. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enabled - and I only went out for a pork pie
so the pork pie turned out much testier, huh ? congratulations on the find. From: Clive Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enabled - and I only went out for a pork pie Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:23:29 +0100 Well well well, isn't it funny how things happen? I've occasionally grumbled here about my lack of success in finding a working replacement for my A 50/1.7. Well, this was a holiday weekend here in the UK, and we were off to the annual family gathering, so I made a dash into town on Saturday morning to pick up the hand-made pork pie I'd promised to take along. Something must have made me take the long way back to the car, and it took me past the window of our friendly but very small camera shop. Imagine my astonishment when I saw a 43 Limited at a price I could not possibly refuse. Turned out the proprietor had ordered it specially for some fashion-victim collector - who had in the meantime changed his mind and decided he was more interested in Voigtlanders - and was happy just to get rid of it. The lens is pristine, with all its boxes, bags and warranty cards, and I can still scarcely believe my luck - I'd simply never have considered it at the usual price. I had some opportunities to use it over the weekend, and first impressions are that it's a delight to hold, handle and focus. I certainly didn't notice any undue noise or slowness in autofocusing, and I might even say I prefer its feel in manual focusing to my M and A lenses. The viewfinder image is wonderful too - I can't wait to see the results! Still in a bit of a spin - does Enablement always feel like this? Clive. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
How to use an MZ-S; a manual
- Grab it with your right hand (not left). - Staighten your thumb and press it towards the back of the camera so that it rest on the main control dial. - You'll see that the hold switch, AE-L, light switch, and AF button forms an arc. This means that they can be reached with small movement of the thumb. - Your index finger (is that the name? its the one next to your thumb) will handle the on-off switch, shutter release. green button and DOF preview. Let it rest on the shutter release. - The thumb can also easily reach the drive and meter mode switches. Now the difficult part written while using an 77 Limited on the MZ-S.: - Cradle your left hand (not right) under the lens so that your thums rest on the AF- mode selector on the left of the camnera body (seen from behind) , you index finger (the one next to your thumb) on the lens aperture ring on the right side of the camera (seen from behind), and your long finger rest on the AF point selector. Now you can change aperture, focus mode, focus point without doing anything except moving your fingers ever so slightly. - For using the exposure compensation dial, take you left hand away from the lens (don't try this with your right hand; its very awkward). . Get a grip on the left side of the camera with your left hand so that your straight thumb is pressing in the lock button and simultaneoulsy touching the dial. Press your index finger (you know the one next to your thumb) on the upper side of the dial. Now you have squeezed it between the two fingers while the lock is disengaged. You can now move it freely. This can be done without taking the eye from the viewfinder. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
I like 5n better than MZ-S
I got to try the MZ-S in a local store. I think I like the ZX-5n better, for being simpler and more intuitive. The dials are bigger and easier to turn than the MZ-S also. Just the other day, I shot a whole role with the 5n, without realizing that I had put it in spotmetering mode and on auto exposure. Needless to say the result was not satisfactory. Is it useful to have spotmetering in the 5n? Of course. Did it help me? No. More gizmos don't necessarily help. I like the LX more and more. I just wish its accessories weren't so expensive. Tonghang. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S vs. LX
I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My First Impression
I have only fiddled with the MZ-S for a couple of minutes, but the one I touched had exactly the same problem; the wheel was next to impossible to spin with one finger. It was pretty obvious it wasn't intended to be that way. Faulty or not, it's probaly worth the effort to get it fixed under guarantee conditions. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Speaking of the MZ-s] This is not the case with my camera. If anything its not stiff enough. I believe the sample you have used must be faulty. It is easy, I discovered, to turn the camera off by accident if you use the selector dial with the camera at your eye. How is this possible? Never experienced it. For much the same reason (as others have posted) the autofocus selector is essentially unusable. Its only unusable if don't know how to hold the camera. If you insist of helding the Z-1p with your left hand its control layout is essentially unusable as well. If cradle the lens with your let hand, any long fingered person would have index fingers right on the AF selector. I never take my eye from the viewfinder while selecting AF points. The left-side dial also takes two hands. It doesn't. In fact, its impossible to adjust with two hands. It can easily be adjusted with one hand (left) whith the camera to the eye. I do it all the time. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
Bruce wrote: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? I've used the LX for 20 years and run about 70 rolls through the MZ-S so I now have firm opinions about these two cameras and how they compare to each other. Let me first say that the LX will always have a paricular place in my photography due to its low light metering capabilities. This is important to me but probably not for most photographers. The LX will keep this place until Pentax release another body that can do the same trick as the LX. I now have a camera setup consisting of the MZ-S, LX and 645n and I feel this to be a very nice combination where the different bodies can do different task and where all are really enjoyable in use. I use the MZ-S exclusively for bird photography; I never use the LX. The MZ-S pluses here are AF, metering and built in motor drive. I used the Z-1p for this use as well due to the built in motor drive and metering but I choose the MZ-S equally much because I enjoy using it. The Z-1p looked and felt odd in the companionship with my other bodies. I never took the Z-1p for landscape shooting while my MZ-S may often be the prefered choice. A case in point is using mirror prefire on both camera. On the Z-1p it ment turning a dial, pressing a button while turning another dial and scrolling trhough a meny. This had to be repeated every time the camera had been turned off. No such thing with the MZ-S. I feel the MZ-S is very much in tune with the LX but offers other functions the LX is missing. The MZ-S is not the camera I can replace an LX with. My main dissapointment with the MZ-S is it battery consumption. You can avoid this hassle with the battery grip but that makes it big and bulky. The MZ-S feels like real camera and I really don't think the LX score much compare to it when it comes to feel and built. I would choose the MZ-S over the LX if I expect to shoot Macro and/or birds whereas the LX will be the choice if there was a posibility for low light shooting. Also, due to its mechanical shutter the LX is the choice for (very) remote areas. However, what I really want is a modern version of the LX. This is more and more clear to me. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
Thanks for the comparison. You mentioned you would like a modern LX. What does that mean? AF, spot meter? Please describe. Thanks, Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs. LX Bruce wrote: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? I've used the LX for 20 years and run about 70 rolls through the MZ-S so I now have firm opinions about these two cameras and how they compare to each other. Let me first say that the LX will always have a paricular place in my photography due to its low light metering capabilities. This is important to me but probably not for most photographers. The LX will keep this place until Pentax release another body that can do the same trick as the LX. I now have a camera setup consisting of the MZ-S, LX and 645n and I feel this to be a very nice combination where the different bodies can do different task and where all are really enjoyable in use. I use the MZ-S exclusively for bird photography; I never use the LX. The MZ-S pluses here are AF, metering and built in motor drive. I used the Z-1p for this use as well due to the built in motor drive and metering but I choose the MZ-S equally much because I enjoy using it. The Z-1p looked and felt odd in the companionship with my other bodies. I never took the Z-1p for landscape shooting while my MZ-S may often be the prefered choice. A case in point is using mirror prefire on both camera. On the Z-1p it ment turning a dial, pressing a button while turning another dial and scrolling trhough a meny. This had to be repeated every time the camera had been turned off. No such thing with the MZ-S. I feel the MZ-S is very much in tune with the LX but offers other functions the LX is m! issing. The MZ-S is not the camera I can replace an LX with. My main dissapointment with the MZ-S is it battery consumption. You can avoid this hassle with the battery grip but that makes it big and bulky. The MZ-S feels like real camera and I really don't think the LX score much compare to it when it comes to feel and built. I would choose the MZ-S over the LX if I expect to shoot Macro and/or birds whereas the LX will be the choice if there was a posibility for low light shooting. Also, due to its mechanical shutter the LX is the choice for (very) remote areas. However, what I really want is a modern version of the LX. This is more and more clear to me. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
Doug Brewer wrote: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph OK, I'm game. The answer could vary depending on when and where you ask, but if I had to distill it down to one essential sentence, it might be something like the following: I photograph in order to capture the moment for myself, to convey the feeling to others, to drive home the fundamental essence of a point of view, in a creative and succinct fashion not possible with the written or spoken word. (And of course, because it's fun, and because it's a creative outlet that lets me use my hands as well as my brain. Oops, that's a second sentence.) Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I may want to see the people and things around me today, tomorrow. Cory Waters Atlanta, GA USA AIM = seebwaters - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My First Impression
It is easy, I discovered, to turn the camera off by accident if you use the selector dial with the camera at your eye. How is this possible? Never experienced it. Nor have I. I use my right thumb on the back of the camera to move the selector dial. Since the shutter release is on the front, there's no way I could turn it off while using the selector wheel. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
Bruce Dayton wrote: Shel, didn't you get a brand new one? Indeed i did smile About what would something like that cost, including finder and screens that would be most common to use? I bought mine without a finder as I already had several finders, so I can't address that point. Likewise the screen issue. Of course, I don't know what a new LX would cost today if you could find one (although Nathan's camera in Detroit is supposed to have a few - give 'em a call). Frankly, a late model used one, with a SN above 5355*** would be a good way to go. Screens are often available from about $19.00, but I've seen some - those that are harder to find or more specialized - go for as much as about $40.00. I've been fortunate having purchased the new style screens through a friend in Japan at a very reasonable cost. is a MZ-S and LX a better combo than 2 MZ-S's? Only you can answer that question, Bruce. Speaking for myself, and the type of photography I prefer and my shooting style, I'd always want at least two of each camera body I decided to own. I outlined the reason for that in another thread. However, if you don't need that sort of compatibility, buy one of each so you can use the features appropriate to the situation on a given shoot. Some of the finders, and finder accessories, could be a reason to get an LX, all else not withstanding. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S and LX was( MZ-S vs. LX )
We again try to make the Do you prefer a hammer or a screw driver. takes both to build a house. I get both, thanks, Phil --- Thanks for the comparison. You mentioned you would like a modern LX. What does that mean? AF, spot meter? Please describe. Thanks, Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs. LX Bruce wrote: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? I've used the LX for 20 years and run about 70 rolls through the MZ-S so I now have firm opinions about these two cameras and how they compare to each -snip- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I'm an LX owner! Now the questions...
I've recently acquired an LX and share your views. I was looking at Nikon F3's but decided to find an equivalent camera that would fit my K-mount lenses. I have never seen a better full-system camera than the LX! "1. With a grip attached, what do LXers do to attach a strap - and *don't* want to hang it vertically (using the two free lugs) ?" straps are a pain, I'm glad to get on without it! "2. Has anyone got a motordrive LX that's doing nothing, and wish to consider selling?" Ahhh; motor drives! eBay gets one now and then but they are ALWAYS pricey! Christian Skofteland System Administrator ServerVault Inc. "Securing the Internet" (703)373-5971 (Direct) (703)333-5900 (Main) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More MZ-S flash compensation (WAS: Re: The flagship dilemma)
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:00:53 +0200, you wrote: snip ...this is getting slightly tedious Amen. Pal has described quick and convenient flash compensation with the MZ-S. I am already aware that flash compensation is quick and convenient on the PZ1p, especially for the set it and forget it proponents like myself. But if we want to scientifically validate which is fastest, someone loan me an MZ-S and I'll conduct an experiment using the scientific method, and publish the results in a scholarly article. Might have to keep that borrowed MZ-S for a year or two to collect all the data, though. Us scientificisits gotta be thoroughful to the maximumiillionist degree '-] -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A modern LX (WAS: Re: MZ-S vs. LX)
Bruce wrote: You mentioned you would like a modern LX. What does that mean? AF, spot meter? Please describe. It means AF and spot metering for sure. Otherwise it means keeping as much of essence of the LX as posible. What this really means in reality is something I would know when I see it. The fact remains that camera engineers is better than most of us of seeing deep into a camera. They may come up with brilliant things we now have no concept of or didn't think of. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Future of Medium Format (WAS: Re: 35mm vs. Medium Format)
Bob wrote: Two thoughts... 1) The next flagship may be a 645, as noted before. The flagship has exclusively mentioned in the context of 35mm 2) The smooth textures and subtle tones Pål talked about may be the next 'edge' for film vs digital photos and cameras. The imaging CCD gets so big that even Moore's Law may not make it economical to market. In several markets, probably world wide, medium format sales are on decrease. My Pentax rep told me that in Norway the total annual sales of MF is about 300 cameras a year; also last year. So far this year there has been sold only 44. It's particularly those who cater the studio market, like eg. Hasselblad, that suffers. Pentax didn't didn't suffer that much since they mostly sell to nature photographers. The culprit is of course digital. Its a worringly trend. As a sidenote, sales of higher end 35mm reflexes are also on the decline by 10-20% based on manufacturing volumes in Japan. What is MF future if a digital MF solution turns out too expensive? Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aaron need film advise
Brendan wrote: I have 20 models to shoot this weekend ( don't ask how I fell into this ) and need advise on good medium light colour film. There will be outdoor and indoor with on camera flash and non ttl light stand. What do you recomend oh guru . How'd I get to be the guru?? I suggest the almighty Fuji NPC 160. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I notice subtle details through the viewfinder of a camera that I might otherwise miss through casual observation. Rob Woerner - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: One Sentence Hi. Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could be interesting. It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started: I have a need to show everyone else what I see. thanks, Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Well, then, you don't need film - or a camera fro that matter. Just a viewfinder! Think of the savings! From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] I notice subtle details through the viewfinder of a camera that I might otherwise miss through casual observation. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. I want to capture for permanence a vista or moment in time that I think I see in my mind's eye. Chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. and Shel objected to the premise of the sentence. Unfortunately, I was unable to reply when I had Shel's message in hand, but his main contention seemed to be that a photograph cannot possibly improve upon reality, it can only hope to capture it. First, let me say that I expressed my thought poorly. More perfect is itself irrational. Perfect is an absolute, therefore nothing is more perfect. I should have said an enhanced version or even an interpretive version, because I do not always attempt to improve upon reality. Sometimes I want to degrade it. It all depends on what I hope to communicate. But I must disagree with Shel's observation that nothing two-dimensional, on paper, can improve upon the real thing. When I photograph a woman who is not beautiful to the naked eye, I attempt to make her appear beautiful in the picture. If I photograph a landscape at sunset, I might attempt to use the color of the late day light and perhaps a bit of lens flare to make the picture more dramatic than the scene appeared to the naked eye. I don't know if that means that the photograph is an improvement over reality. But it can certainly be a more attractive depiction of reality. Technique used with enhancement in mind is even applicable in the most mundane photographic assignments. I remember when I was working at Hearst, and I was told to photograph some awards that Motor Magazine was presenting to service mechanics. Well, the trophies were quite a boring lot of metal and plastic, so I created some pinpoints of light in the metal, then used a cross hair filter to achieve some starbursts. Yes, it was a cheap photographic trick, but the trophies in the photograph were more attractive than the actual hardware. And that is a joy to me. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA* 600 4.0
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 at 16:41:14 -0500, John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed, to the delight of the assembled multitude: On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:49:42 -0400, you wrote: John, I was wondering what about the sideway support is of concern to you? I use the Kirk King Cobra head with my 600 and haven't run into anything that I'm concerned about with it yet. Ken Waller I believe the foot/collar assembly is just cheap cast metal, very strong when handling compression loads but relatively weak at handling loads in other directions. I guess I would be afraid the tripod collar, under a sideways or uppermost load scenario, would simply break off at some point in its construction, sending the lens crashing to the ground. The F* ED(IF) 300mm f/4.5 tripod mount fits into a ring with detents on the lens body, so you can turn the camera on its side without flipping the tripod mount out of its normal position. Is the lens under discussion engineered in the same way? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
The design philosophy of the MZ-S is much closer to that of the LX than it is to that of the PZ-1p, so I think the MZ-S and the LX make a good pair. That's the pair in my main bag right now. But you can find out for yourself, Bruce. KEH has an LX in EX+ shape right now for (!) $789US and an LN- MZ-S for $751US. Go for it. Doug At 11:27 AM -07008/27/01, Bruce Dayton wrote, or at least typed: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
I saw the LX at KEH. I was thinking that seemed a little high. What is the concensus? KEH Ex+ condition with FA-1W finder for $789. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs. LX The design philosophy of the MZ-S is much closer to that of the LX than it is to that of the PZ-1p, so I think the MZ-S and the LX make a good pair. That's the pair in my main bag right now. But you can find out for yourself, Bruce. KEH has an LX in EX+ shape right now for (!) $789US and an LN- MZ-S for $751US. Go for it. Doug At 11:27 AM -07008/27/01, Bruce Dayton wrote, or at least typed: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Isn't that a bit of an overreaction? What can possibly be very sad about it? - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: One Sentence I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
Aside from my sloppy comparative use of the absolute perfect. (it _was_early in the morning :-), I meant exactly what I said. And it is certainly not sad, at least not to me. If your reality is always beautiful, always worth preserving exactly as it is, then you are a very fortunate woman. My reality has not always been so nice. I've experienced a lot of ugly things and have had to dig my way out of some pretty deep holes. Along the way I've found that imagination can save the soul. Painting a new and prettier world can heal a lot of wounds. But we all do that to some extent. Even Shel's pictures of street people don't fully capture the stench of reality (although that may be his objective). The running sores are hidden beneath the soiled clothing. The poverty is depicted only in terms of circumstantial evidence. There is no burning, empty pit at the bottom of a stomach. A picture of a neon sign on a New York street corner can be warm and appealing. Yet the reality of that street corner might harbor untold misery and danger, incalculable cold and deprivation. Photography can and does present an improved version of reality. And that's a good thing. Paul Stenquist Ann Sanfedele wrote: PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cross Polar Flash Photography (Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps )
Kevin, again, thanks so much -- I'm leaving all you wrote below because I archive things in my sent mail - hope other PDMLers don't mind - I think your info is very um illuminating - and I'm not surprised that it turns up in something George Lepp wrote -- I used to read him religiously. Having studied a bit of Microscopic Petrology I knew about crossed Nichols. The prices you mention are not prohibitive. Best, Ann Thornsberry, Kevin L wrote: Ann According to the Edmund Scientific website, polarizing film can be had for about $15 for a sheet 8.5 inches by 5 inches or a 2 inch square 2 pack can be had for $6.40. As I understand it you need two pretty strong strobes since you'll be losing a lot of light. To orient the films overlay your lens' polarizing filter with the film and rotate for miminum tranmittance. Mark the top of the film and the top of the polarizing filter in this orientation. Now when you install the film on the strobes and the filter on your lens make sure your marks are still on top. In the applications I've heard of the strobes were mounted on a bracket attached to the camera with one strobe on each side. To see an example of this technique in use go to www.leppimages.com and choose to view the Shoreline Print collection. The sand dollar picture labeled Sparkling Embrace (lower left on page 1) used the cross polar technique. Note it retains the strongest reflections withouth the image being overpowered. I'm not sure about the other two sand dollar pictures. I'm sure an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would yield a list of which of his images were made using the cross polar technique. Ann wrote: Kevin - so glad you brought that up -- I mentioned it almost a year ago when I first got on the list - no one seemed to know about it. I was basically asking for exactly what you explained - how to establish the angles. I was thinking of using floods instead of flashes, tho for the two auxiliary lights. My idea was to cross Nichols looking through the camera at the polarizer on the light source(s) rotating the polarizer on the camera only 'til it turned black. I have an awful feeling those polarized sheets are expensive as all get out though. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
I enjoy the challenge of trying to take an excellent photogragh, from both the technical and creative standpoint. Dan Sheetz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brewer Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: One Sentence Hi. Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could be interesting. It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started: I have a need to show everyone else what I see. thanks, Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FA 100/2.8 Macro Questions
Hey Folks, I've got a couple of questions about the FA 100/2.8 Macro. Well first off, I ordered an F 100/2.8 Macro from KEH in EX condition. What they sent was an FA 100/2.8 Macro in EX. Not bad for $235 eh? Anyways, how does the clamp feature work? It's my understanding that it's supposed to provide some sort of tension when using the lens in manual focus. I turn it to the on position but nothing happens. Does it need to be on an AF body in order to work? Someone please enlighten me... Thanks in advance, Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
An excellent question Doug. If one really knows what one wants out of something one should be able to condense it down to one brief sentence. The closest I can come, and it only covers first base, is: I take photographs so I can collect things that are too big, too expensive, too delicate, or unavailable for me to take home with me. -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
Bruce Dayton wrote: I saw the LX at KEH. I was thinking that seemed a little high. What is the concensus? KEH Ex+ condition with FA-1W finder for $789. Bruce - it depends on which LX it is. I'd stay away from an earlier one at almost any price. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA* 600 4.0
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:09:10 -700, you wrote: The F* ED(IF) 300mm f/4.5 tripod mount fits into a ring with detents on the lens body, so you can turn the camera on its side without flipping the tripod mount out of its normal position. Is the lens under discussion engineered in the same way? Essentially, yes. A rotating collar is built into the lens, and a removable tripod foot attaches to the collar. This describes the design of both the F* 300/4.5 and the FA* 600/4 (and the A* 200/4 Macro), although the actual tripod collar and tripod foot of each are much different. Oddly, the tripod foot of the A* 200/4 Macro fits the 200 Macro *and* the F* 300/4.5, but the tripod foot of the F* 300/4.5 won't fit the 200 Macro. If anyone has an extra tripod foot for the A* 200/4 Macro, let me know. I'd like to buy one or two of them. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA 100/2.8 Macro Questions
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:50:18 -0700, you wrote: The clamp knob adds drag to the focus ring. Try rotating the focus ring with the clamp off, then with it on. The focus ring should be spin very freely with the clamp off, but have a definite manual focus like resistance with the clamp on. Keep the clamp off when using autofocus. Congratulation on getting a very nice lens. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S vs. LX
I have the Mz-S, Pz-1p, and LX. To me, the finder on the LX is unrivaled. It is not as bright as the others and does not seem to be as sharp on the ground glass, but it offers a much bigger view of things. You really have to look through it to see what I mean. I also think that for manual focus work, there is no substitute for a split screen focusing aid. The ergonomics on the LX are also great. To be honest, all three have great ergonomics, though they are completely different in their layouts. Of the three, the LX is the most limited with relatively slow flash synch (1/75th of a second) and no spot metering. But once you pick it up and try it, you'll love it. - MCC At 11:27 AM 8/27/01 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote: I'm curious. At least Pål, and maybe others have both LX and MZ-S. We have compared quite often the PZ-1p and MZ-S, but not really the LX vs. MZ-S. Other than low light metering, is there anything else about the LX that would have you keep both bodies? Anybody with experience? - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: More MZ-S flash compensation (WAS: Re: The flagship dilemma)
Sorry to rain on your boosterism, but while the flash compensation technique you describe works, it is indeed a cumbersome work around. I use flash compensation mostly for shooting birds and macro shots. With birds that means slow flash synch. My technique with the Pz-1p: 1. Set flash to desired compensation (usually -1 to -1.5 stops.) 2. With camera in manual, set shutter and aperture speeds to the metered ambient exposure. As you know from shooting birds yourself, this involves judging the correct compromise between DOF and shutter speed sufficient to capture a moving subject while simultaneously adjusting the exposure for subject tonality and lighting conditions. 3. Shoot. This is great with the Pz-1p. Using manual focus 'A' lenses, I can control the aperture and shutter via the control wheels and set the exposure accordingly. I also adjust the exposure based on the lighting of that particular shot, that particular bird. So if I flip from a blue heron to a white swan, I simply set the meter (in manual mode) to indicate the amount of under or over exposure appropriate to the subject. With the Mz-S, it get's more complicated. Once you flip the exposure compensation dial, you have to counter for that compensation as you manually configure each shot. So if the plain metered reading is 1/125 at f5.6, and I set the exposure comp dial to -1 to account for the flash, the finder will show a dot indicating exposure comp, but the exposure display will show a -1 stop compensated exposure as correct. So if I want to exposure at 1/125 I have to adjust the rig to display 1 stop over exposed. So as I move from subject to subject and adjust exposure, I have to constantly reminded myself that what I see in the finder has already been adjusted, and I have to adjust my adjustments accordingly. An armchair photographer might wonder what could be so difficult with that. But shooting wildlife demands split second timing. Every new factor that get's introduced compounds the risk of error. The 'KISS' principle is directly on point. It gets worse when hand holding macro in the field, where the decisions about flash comp revolve around a complex matrix covering the distance between the lens and the subject, the level and nature of the ambient light, the distance between the subject and the background, and the basic tonal characteristics of the subject. In addition, there is a baseline level of adjustment needed depending on the film being used and its level of reflectivity (unless the Mz-S no longer uses off the film metering with TTL flash.) When shooting macros I set flash exposure to anything from 0 to -3 stops. Juggling those elements while stalking a flitty little subject and trying to get a good composition is difficult enough. Having to adjust for the exposure compensation when determining the basic ambient exposure, especially when the flash needs variable compensation, adds a useless layer of complexity. With the Pz-1p I leave the control wheel set to flash compensation. I don't know what you mean about scrolling through menus - you press the button in the center of the wheel and turn the aperture wheel, and the flash comp moves with it. I do it all the time without taking my eye off the finder, and all the info I need is right there. And in both cases, the Mz-S is at a disadvantage with the 'A' lens, since aperture data is not available in the finder when shooting in full manual. This is a side issue not directly related to flash compensation, but it is important to me. I like the Mz-S, it's a great camera and I love using it. The new flash will address most of the concerns I have with it and I don't have any problem with Pentax choosing to put those functions into the flash units going forward, since that will make flash compensation available on the whole line of bodies. And while your technique for flash compensation is an acceptable work around, you're fooling yourself if you think it is better than the Pz-1p's functionality. After all, if it was that good then why is Pentax bothering to put flash compensation on the flash unit? The idea that flash compensation would violate the design ethic of the Mz-S, and therefore is to be shunned, is nonsense. The same is true of your comment that using flash compensation via the body is for those who don't exercise control over their photography. All I'm saying is that I want to adjust the power of the TTL flash directly and also adjust the ambient exposure directly, without having one adjustment interfere with the display of information for the other. I use these features to exercise a demanding level of control over my work in fast paced situations where speed and simplicity of execution are essential. Without the AF360FTZ, the Mz-S doesn't repsond to these needs as cleanly or as efficiently as the Pz-1p. I'm interested in the 'low vibration' aspects of the Mz-S with birds, and
Re: One Sentence
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I don't find that strange. Since the ancient Greeks, from Thucidies to Plato, we have been discussing image and reality. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
I take photographs to capture a magical moment in time that I, and I hope others, would want to relive in days to come. -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
My memory sucks, and it's getting worse as I get older. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I just sent the confirmations for the September gallery. If you didn't recieve one and think you should have, please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA 100/2.8 Macro Questions
From: John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try rotating the focus ring with the clamp off, then with it on. The focus ring should be spin very freely with the clamp off, but have a definite manual focus like resistance with the clamp on. Ah yes, now I sense the drag. It was a little too subtle for my manual focus hands... Keep the clamp off when using autofocus. Good to know. Oh wait, I need to get an AF body ; ) Congratulation on getting a very nice lens. Thanks! Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cross Polar Flash Photography (Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps )
Oh, yea. I forgot. This technique is also useful in photographing rocks. It brings out some interesting colors. -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Cross Polar Flash Photography (Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps ) Kevin, again, thanks so much -- I'm leaving all you wrote below because I archive things in my sent mail - hope other PDMLers don't mind - I think your info is very um illuminating - and I'm not surprised that it turns up in something George Lepp wrote -- I used to read him religiously. Having studied a bit of Microscopic Petrology I knew about crossed Nichols. The prices you mention are not prohibitive. Best, Ann Thornsberry, Kevin L wrote: Ann According to the Edmund Scientific website, polarizing film can be had for about $15 for a sheet 8.5 inches by 5 inches or a 2 inch square 2 pack can be had for $6.40. As I understand it you need two pretty strong strobes since you'll be losing a lot of light. To orient the films overlay your lens' polarizing filter with the film and rotate for miminum tranmittance. Mark the top of the film and the top of the polarizing filter in this orientation. Now when you install the film on the strobes and the filter on your lens make sure your marks are still on top. In the applications I've heard of the strobes were mounted on a bracket attached to the camera with one strobe on each side. To see an example of this technique in use go to www.leppimages.com and choose to view the Shoreline Print collection. The sand dollar picture labeled Sparkling Embrace (lower left on page 1) used the cross polar technique. Note it retains the strongest reflections withouth the image being overpowered. I'm not sure about the other two sand dollar pictures. I'm sure an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would yield a list of which of his images were made using the cross polar technique. Ann wrote: Kevin - so glad you brought that up -- I mentioned it almost a year ago when I first got on the list - no one seemed to know about it. I was basically asking for exactly what you explained - how to establish the angles. I was thinking of using floods instead of flashes, tho for the two auxiliary lights. My idea was to cross Nichols looking through the camera at the polarizer on the light source(s) rotating the polarizer on the camera only 'til it turned black. I have an awful feeling those polarized sheets are expensive as all get out though. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . application/ms-tnef
Re: One Sentence
Bucky wrote: Isn't that a bit of an overreaction? What can possibly be very sad about it? Getting into subtle syntactical things here - didn't mean to sound quite so intense - but then Paul admitted to not having said initially _exactly_ what he meant. Since he wrote a long response to my thing I'll explain in more detail (one might, I guess, say justify g) in the response to him - and, if we are lucky, this letter will appear in all of the mail boxes before the other one . annsan - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: One Sentence I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- ascii character set
doesn't anyone read their own post? I can see doing it once... maybe. - -- =_NextPart_000_01C12F49.3EFD72C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Words of wisdom tainted by computer illiteracy. Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: One Sentence
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: (mainly in response to annsan) Aside from my sloppy comparative use of the absolute perfect. (it _was_early in the morning :-), I meant exactly what I said. And it is certainly not sad, at least not to me. Will you substitute, perhaps, unfortunate for sad? We are going to get into a whole art imitating life or life imitating art thing here, I can see. quoting Paul's original statement: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. Initially this struck me as rather arrogant and therefore, to me, sad. Taking it purely as an intellectual statement, not knowing anything about you, Paul, it pissed me off enough to dash off that line. But my reaction was to that simple line in a vacuum - between technical tools and more perfect vision sounded a bit Brave New World to me. Paul wrote to me: If your reality is always beautiful, always worth preserving exactly as it is, then you are a very fortunate woman. My reality has not always been so nice. I've experienced a lot of ugly things and have had to dig my way out of some pretty deep holes. and I reply: OF course my reality is far from that. Though I'll confess to more often than not looking at half full glasses, I assure you I've had many half empty or totally empty ones. I think this is pretty much beside the point. But I'm not doing photography to preserve anything exactly as it is, good or bad. What I'm saying is that it ain't possible. Paul : Along the way I've found that imagination can save the soul. Ann: No argument there - Paul: Painting a new and prettier world can heal a lot of wounds... Ann: My phrase would be finding the beauty in the world. A friend of mine once wrote a poem called Beauty Lurks - and then there is the line from THE RED SHOES (a film I have only seen about 30 times) The Diagahlevian impresario of the company points out that even the best magician in the world cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat unless there is already a rabbit IN the hat. Paul ... But we all do that to some extent. Even Shel's pictures of street people don't fully capture the stench of reality (although that may be his objective). Right - that is exactly _my_ point. The photograph is never going to replace the reality - is never going to surpass it in beauty or in ugliness or pain. In terms of wonderful photos of beautiful things, the photo has done its job for me if it has made me feel as if I were in the place in the photo, in an elemental travel- log kind of way. But no painting or photograph or essay can even come close to reproducing the magnificence of Denali at midnight in June or the feeling I get standing at the base of Delicate Arch. Nor can the FSA photos adequately express the poverty and suffering of the Dust Bowl, for just one example. snip a bit Paul continues: Photography can and does present an improved version of reality. And that's a good thing. Paul Stenquist ann says: I wish I agreed with that - you put it very eloquently. I guess I'll have to work on my one sentence. I'm usually much more prone to comedy than something this intense. How about top 10 favorite photos 5 color 5 black and white for a thread sometime? annsan Ann Sanfedele wrote: PAUL STENQUIST wrote: I enjoy using technical tools to make a more perfect version of those things I see. I hope you don't realy mean quite that - very sad, if so. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
On Monday, August 27, 2001 1:48 PM, Doug Brewer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi. SNIP It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it started: SNIP There are things you can't tell in words, and where the magic of what falls before your eyes can only be done justice to by trying to capture the image itself, and where the one you love most cannot be there to share it with you. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: One Sentence
I take photographs so I can collect things that are too big, too expensive, too delicate, or unavailable for me to take home with me. You know, the first time I read this sentence I swear I thought you meant expensive lenses and such. :) I think it's time for me to go to bed... --Amita - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More MZ-S flash compensation (WAS: Re: The flagship dilemma)
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: If you do want easy flash compensation in program mode buy the new flash. It offers substantial improvement of whats possible on the Z-1p. You don't even have to worry about flash synch since it will synch at all speed. But are you sure that TTL flash compensation in the new flash would work in high speed sync? I am a bit doubtful as for other systems, high speed sync does not work with TTL (you can imagine the difficulty in controlling flash output in multiple bursts and in different area of the film). This handicap together with the significant reduction in effective guide number do limit the usefulness of high speed sync flash. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
