Re: Pentax teleconverters

2001-10-23 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

"Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
> 
> I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the
> differences are. 

S converters are optimised for lenses up to (and including)
300mm, L converters for longer ones.

mike
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread mike wilson

Hi too,

Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> no - that's Artist...
> 

My favourite definition of art: "Lying with style" - Ki
Longfellow Stanshall (widow of Vivian)

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A couple of Pentax 67 comments

2001-10-23 Thread David A. Mann

 After a couple of weeks of using the Pentax 6x7 I feel inclined to make a 
couple of comments.  Some positive, some not :)

1) This is a fun camera to use handheld.  I still like the "clunk" noise it makes.  
I was mindful to keep the shutter speed high [1/250 with the 45mm lens] just to 
be on the paranoid side, because I hadn't experimented very much with 
handheld shots before the trip.

2) It's a real pain trying to compose a portrait-orientation shot with the waist-
level finder, especially when you need to do it _quickly_ to shoot that waterfall 
before your cruise boat moves away, just after they gave you a total soaking 
by piloting to within a couple of metres of it :)  I come from the Mamiya RB67 
where shooting vertical means a quick twist of the film back and you just use 
the vertical composing lines in the viewfinder.  I might pick up a prism 
someday although I'm not too happy about the 85% coverage despite the 
weight saving this would give over 100% (the RB's prism weighs a ton).

3) Shooting verticals on a tripod isn't too great either, but thats the RB67 
speaking again.  Luckily enough the Pentax 6x7 is light enough that it doesn't 
significantly unbalance the tripod when tilted over... with the 45mm lens 
anyway.  I use a Manfrotto 055 with 029 head.  And my right arm still aches 
occasionally from carrying it around so much last week :)

4) I really don't like changing the film.  I find it hard to get enough grip on the 
exposed film spool to remove it.  I'm scared I'll get it out just far enough to lose 
my grip and drop the roll before sealing it.  I'll need to get some more practice 
but I am seriously thinking of going to 220 so I won't have to do it as often :)

5) I still don't know how the body "knows" exactly how far to wind the film on to 
get to the first frame after you've advanced to the "start" index before closing 
the back.  The film advance lever can be in any position at this time depending 
on how you fiddled with it to get the leader into the takeup spool, and it doesn't 
spring back when you close the back, as I'd expected.  So you get anywhere 
from 1% to 99% of a frame advance, then a certain amount of winds to get to 
the first frame.  I hope I haven't been doing it wrong :)

6) Battery dependence on the mirror lockup.  I wish there was at least a way 
to release the mirror without taking a picture, otherwise it either costs you a 
frame of film or a drained battery.

 Despite all my whinging I do like the camera and look forward to using it 
more.  I'd love to get some more glass for it but the credit card is looking a bit 
overweight at the moment (thankfully I got a pay rise at the start of the month).  
Maybe I'll ask Santa

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-23 Thread RDJ92807

I just got the Oct 2001 editionexcellent tests on the Pentax 31/1.8 LTD 
(did very well), Pentax 200/4 FA Macro and Pentax 28-105/3.2-4.5 FA.

I missed the August and September 2001 issues.  Can someone email me the list 
of lenes tested in these issues?  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.

Robert James
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takumar-a 70-200mm lens

2001-10-23 Thread Nitin Garg

I am new to photography and this list. So please point me to the faq if
that answers it.

I can buy this lens for a reasonable price but i want to find out about
its quality before i buy it. I have a k1000 and super takumar 1.4/50mm
lens and a kiron 28-210 f/4-5.6 (whose optical quality i haven't tested
yet).

So what i want to know is: How good is the quality of this lens ? Is it
worth investing in when i already have the kiron lens ? (if the kiron
lens is poor, i can sell it off and get this one).

any input appreciated, thanks,
nitin
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Re: Back to budget lighting....

2001-10-23 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: "Delano Mireles"
Subject: Back to budget lighting


> Thanks to all who responded to my original posting regarding
lighting on a
> budget!
>
> To show my ignorance I'll admit that I didn't realize you
could use an
> "on-camera" electronic flash as an "off-camera" flash so I
come back to you
> with a question of whether this is possible or not with my
current flash.  I
> have a ProMaster FTD 7000m (http://www.promaster.com).  For
those who don't
> want to take the time to look at the site I'll provide the
basic specs off
> the site:
>
> Guide Number: 138 (100 ISO)
> *TTL Auto Range: 2-99' (100 ISO)
> *Power Source: 4 AA Alkaline Batteries
> *Recycle Time: 0.3-10 Seconds
> *Motorized Zoom - 24mm-105mm
> *AF Illuminator for Autofocusing
> *Bounce Angle: -7° to 90°
> *Full TTL Dedication
> *Swivel Angle: 0° to 180°
> *Front & Rear Flash Ready Light
> *Flash Modes: TTL Auto, Manual, Multiple,
> *Multifunction LCD Display Panel Modeling, Slave/Remote
>
>
> Now the Slave/Remote is not the normal cable connection.  It
came with a
> little stand that allows me to stand it off to the side and
when using a my
> ZX-5n's built in flash it will sense when it goes off and then
go off.
>
> Do any of you think it would be possible to set up this flash
with a
> homemade softbox or even a photo umbrella?  Meaning, could I
have the
> Promaster flash close to my subject (wife, kids) swivel it 180
degrees and
> and then have it just go off by reading my ZX-5n's flash?  For
now I'd
> probably be using just my Pentax 80-200 until I can afford a
faster lens.
> If you think it is possible I'd be curious as to which film
you would
> recommend.  I just received my order of Portra 160 and would
like to use
> this if possible.

You can use it the way you describe. Point the auto sensor at
the subject and the head into a reflector. You may want to mask
the built in flash so that the discharge from it doesn't affect
the picture. If the Portra is fast enough, go crazy..
>
> On another note, if I'm using just normal lighting (i.e.
lamps) do I need a
> special filter like an 80a when using color film (e.g. - Kodak
Portra 160,
> Royal Gold 400)?

Yes.
William Robb
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Stereo Adaptor

2001-10-23 Thread Gary J Sibio

Thanks to all who responded.


Gary J. Sibio
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PUG comments reminder

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

Ok, here's the reminder.  We're keeping it nice and simple.  If you want
your PUG photo commented on, feel free to send me a letter *off-list* at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] saying "Hey, this is  and I
want to have my photo commented on for this PUG" or something like that,
and it'll be done.  If you send the letter to Bill Robb or the PUG team,
they'll ignore it, since the PUG gallery is a separate entity.  You could
send a letter to the PDML asking for comments if you want, though of
course it's hit and miss whether you'll get any.

The commenting process is now initiated by the photographer, so if you
don't want your photo commented on, you don't have to do anything: the
default is "no comments."  You'll have to mail me a request for comments
each month that you want them, as there could be some months when you
don't want comments, for whatever reason.

The commentators are: Bruce Dayton, Frank Theriault, Paul Stenquist, Skip,
Luis Pinar, Lasse Karlsson, Jaume Lahuerta, Yves Caudano, Sid Barras,
Donna Lynn Crain, Gianfranco Irlanda, César Matamoros II, Adelheid, and
Cory Waters.  If anyone on that list no longer wishes to be a commentator,
please let me know off-list ASAP.

Of course, if anyone has any questions about how this is going to work, or
what this whole commenting thing is about, feel free to email me off-list
and I'll fill you in.

Thanks for reading!
chris
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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, William Robb wrote:

> Chris, I have posted several times about the 90mmLS (of which I
> own a very nice sample.
> What do you need to know (I missed yer original post) about it
> or the 6x7?

Here's my first letter:

Woo hoo!  I managed to snag a Pentax 6x7 (w/ MLU) at a local flea market
for a very reasonable price.  It came with the AE prism finder, the
folding waist-level finder, the 150/2.8, the 80/2.8 leaf shutter, and a
grip for the flash.  I bought it with the intention of reselling it, but
the more I play with it the more I want to keep it.  :)  I do have a few
questions, though.  Or, if there's a detailed site somewhere online
devoted to explaining the nuances of the 6x7, I'd love a link to
it.  Thanks!

How on earth do I work the leaf shutter lens?  No matter what I do I can't
get the lens to use the leaf shutter speeds... it's always the body speed
that the camera uses.  Can I use the body's speed without damaging the
shutter?  Why does the leaf shutter sometimes fire and sometimes
not?  When do I need to cock it?  Help!  :)

What is the sliding S/U switch on the leaf shutter lens?  What does it do?

Is the Auto/Manual sliding switch on the 90/2.8 supposed to be
spring-loaded?  Mine stays on Auto by default; I cna slide it to the
Manual setting, but it springs back to Auto when I let it go.  Is it
supposed to do this, or is mine broken?


For a big camera it seems very well balanced.  I carried it over my
shoulder for a while and never even noticed it.  It's not as heavy as I
expected it to be, but it's definitely got some heft to it.  I've been
wanting to try medium format for a while, and this looks like a fun
introduction.  Now I want the 67 adapter so I can use these lenses on my
tiny little LX and get some *really* funny looks.  *L*

What's the 6x7 like to use?  Any fun or interesting stories out there?

chris
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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread William Robb

Chris, I have posted several times about the 90mmLS (of which I
own a very nice sample.
What do you need to know (I missed yer original post) about it
or the 6x7?
L8R
Bill
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RE: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, David Hatfield wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Go to the link below.  It will give you info on just about any MF camera you
> can imagine with an extensive resource list on the 67.
> 
> http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/mf/cameras.html

I just checked out the link, and I can't find the answers to my questions
anywhere.  I guess I'm looking for either a how-to guide to using the
leaf-shutter lens or for someone who's used it before.  I'll have a look
around for Pentax MedF mailing lists (and maybe the rec.photo MedF group),
but if anyone has other suggestions I'd love to hear them!

Thanks,

chris
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Re: LS 2000 & Corel PhotoPaint 8

2001-10-23 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

It's very unusual and I don't know the cause.

Why is the black border there in the first place?  Your crop seems to be off.

Try opening with Conversions Plus and resaving as a TIFF and see what happens.

The effects tools are usually grayed out only when the image is in 16-bit mode, if 
that helps any.

Maris

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scanners,rec.photo.digital
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: LS 2000 & Corel PhotoPaint 8


| I bought Corel Draw & PhotoPaint 8 about 3 years ago. For the past year
| I've been learning PhotoPaint, using PhotoCD scans. Now I have an LS
| 2000, and found the following dilemmas on scanning my first slide. Can
| anyone help? The version of Nikon Scan is 2.1.1.
| 
| 1. I saved the slide as a TIF file. Then PhotoPaint 8 wouldn't open it,
| saying "Illegal Tag Value." I got this message with both 8 and 12 bit
| scans. PhotoPaint 8 otherwise opens and saves TIF files just fine.
| 
| Using Conversions Plus, I converted the file to BMP. This lost half the
| file size. (Does BMP not go beyond 8 bits?) But PhotoPaint 8 opened it
| just fine.
| 
| Then using Hijaak, I opened the original TIF file and trimmed off the
| black border from the scan. I saved it as TIF, and this time PhotoPaint
| 8 opened the file fine. So PhotoPaint doesn't like the black scan border
| saved as TIF.
| 
| 2. But for all images, PhotoPaint 8's "Effects" tools were nearly all
| grayed out. I've never had this happen before, and I use some of these
| regularly. They work fine otherwise.
| 
| So can anyone tell me what's going on, and what to do? Having just
| bought a scanner, I don't want to have to buy new or updated software
| right away (Corel is now up to version 10).
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Joe
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Re: LS 2000 & Corel PhotoPaint 8

2001-10-23 Thread Doug Franklin

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:55:25 -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> 1. I saved the slide as a TIF file. Then PhotoPaint 8 wouldn't open it,
> saying "Illegal Tag Value." I got this message with both 8 and 12 bit
> scans. PhotoPaint 8 otherwise opens and saves TIF files just fine.

It sounds like one of them is not fully compliant with the TIFF 6
standard.  If you go to http://www.adobe.com and search for "TIFF" and
"Standard" you should find it.  There used to also be a program there
that would dump the tags in a TIFF file so you could see where the
disagreement was occurring.

The Nikon software could be creating technically illegal TIFF files, or
PhotoPaint might not be up to date with the TIFF 6 standard (but it
should be, the standard's been stable for more than the three years
you've had the software) while the Nikon software is.

> Using Conversions Plus, I converted the file to BMP. This lost half the
> file size. (Does BMP not go beyond 8 bits?) But PhotoPaint 8 opened it
> just fine.

BMP goes to 24 bits, at least.  Conversions Plus did something else
with it, like maybe RLE compressing it.

> Then using Hijaak, I opened the original TIF file and trimmed off the
> black border from the scan. I saved it as TIF, and this time PhotoPaint
> 8 opened the file fine. So PhotoPaint doesn't like the black scan border
> saved as TIF.

I don't think it's the black scan border that's the problem.  I think
that Hijaak and PhotoPaint are just in better synch w.r.t. the TIFF
standard.  Hijaak is definitely more lenient than many graphics
programs about what sort of malformations or misrepresentations it will
accept in an image file.  It's probably also closer to the standard
than most scanning software, I'd guess.

> 2. But for all images, PhotoPaint 8's "Effects" tools were nearly all
> grayed out. I've never had this happen before, and I use some of these
> regularly. They work fine otherwise.

This probably means that PhotoPaint didn't think it was a 24-bit-color
image.  Many of the "Effects" can only be (reasonably) performed on a
24-bit-color image.

> So can anyone tell me what's going on, and what to do? Having just
> bought a scanner, I don't want to have to buy new or updated software
> right away (Corel is now up to version 10).

Just use Hijaak to read, then save, the files after they're scanned and
you're probably good to go.

TTYL, DougF
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Re: Stereo Adaptor

2001-10-23 Thread Jim Apilado

>From that adapter I graduated up to a Stereo Realist.  Also have tried a
side-by-side stereo setup using my two Pentax ESII's with 35mm f2 lenses on
them.  It's a heavy outfit and it works well.
Jim A.

> From: Gary J Sibio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:58 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Stereo Adaptor
> 
> Has anyone ever used the stereo adaptor that Pentax used to market? (I'm
> assuming they no longer do so.) I know it had two parts to it: one that
> went on front of the lens and the other that was used for viewing the
> image. How did it work?
> 
> Gary J. Sibio
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Re: OT: Leica

2001-10-23 Thread Jim Apilado

I've done OK loading my M2's.  I recently got a Konica Hexar on Ebay.
Loading with that camera is quite conventional.  So nice.
Jim A.

> From: "Frits J. Wüthrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:49:33 +0100
> To: "Pentax-Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: OT: Leica
> 
> A colleague bought a Leica copy:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1282762104
> I have seen the camera and was impressed, but wondered as well about the
> film.
> The bottom can be removed, and something that might look like a 35mm film
> canister can be placed, but I wonder if there was a take up spool to be
> used. The film had to be dropped in from the bottom. Anybody any guess on
> what kind of film that was?
> 
> Frits Wüthrich
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Frank Theriault

But to further reply to your post, I guess that what I was trying to say
(in a rather tongue-in-cheek fashion), is why do they have to slight
"amateurs" in their ad?

I know we've had a few "pro vs. amateurs" slugfests here, so I don't want
to start one of those again.  But some of the most beautiful photographs
I've ever seen have been taken by amateurs.  And some work by "pros"
(whatever definition you want to use - and once again, I don't want to open
that kettle of fish either) that I've seen has been, to say the least,
uninspiring.

I know the ad was probably intended to be somewhat humourous, but the
underlying assumption or inference that using "pro" equipment makes you a
better photographer disturbs and upsets me somewhat.

-regards,
frank

Mark Roberts wrote:

> Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >But I AM an amateur...
>
> Maybe, but you're saying it quietly and with dignity, not screaming it.
>
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Re: Manual vs. motor

2001-10-23 Thread Jim Apilado

I shoot with some M2 Leicas at weddings.  Recently got a Konica Hexar that
has a motor advance.  Now I'm spoiled.  If only Leica made a Hexar type
camera.

Jim A.

> From: "David A. Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:36:15 +1300
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Manual vs. motor
> 
> Mike Johnston writes:
> 
>> We all have our preferences, and for some they are strong preferences (which
>> is perfectly legitimate) but any photographer should be able to adapt to
>> either manual film advance or motorized film advance. It just takes a while
>> to get used to it. But we are capable of adapting.
> 
> I use both.  The K2 (manual) is quiet, despite its noisy mirror/shutter, and
> is 
> not battery dependent for film advance.  The Z-1p I can use one-handed and I
> don't have to take my eye off the finder to wind the film.  I find both bodies
> useful in their own way.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> - Dave
> 
> David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
> 
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Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Frank Theriault

I'm sorry.  I have to admit, I was baiting people there!  Not nice...

K1000's are fine cameras.  Were it not for the fact that I got a Spotmatic
first, and have all screwmount lenses, I'm sure that's what I'd be using.

regards,
frank

Mark Roberts wrote:

> Plastic parts on a K1000?
> Not on the early ones.
>
> (OK, now lets get the "early K1000" owners fighting with the "late K1000"
> owners!)
>

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Re: Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

I think Doug Brewer either has or *wants* the FA 35/2.0 AL
Either way, I know he's used it and is very impressed.

"Bob Rapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From my experience, the K35 f2.0 is sharper than the M/A f2s. The K3.5 is
>the sharpest of the manual focus lenses and the auto focus FA 35 f2.0 AL is
>reported to knock that marvellous lens over.
>
>Bob
>
>-Original Message-
>From: William D. Sawyer
>
>
>35mm is my favorite focal length for general photography.  I like the
>perspective better than a "Normal" lens. I also like the speed of an f2
>version, as it allows me to shoot in many of the spots "walking around"
>lands me in.
>
>I currently have the "A" version of the 35mm f2, which I got at a very good
>price. I'm VERY disappointed in it's performance, as evidenced by a series
>of shots I recently took of some old buildings with very weathered wood.
>The grain in the wood simply is not sharp.  It was shot with XP-2 rated at
>400 in daylight, so the lens was well stopped down, probably in the f8-f16
>range. I was using a Super Program, motordriven, on a monopod. Likely
>shutter speeds in the 1/60-1/250 range.


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RE: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, David Hatfield wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Go to the link below.  It will give you info on just about any MF camera you
> can imagine with an extensive resource list on the 67.
> 
> http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/mf/cameras.html

Thanks for the link!

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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Frank Theriault

Hi, Mark,

When you take photos the way I do, you don't have to scream it.  It's
patently obvious!  :-)

-frank

Mark Roberts wrote:

> Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >But I AM an amateur...
>
> Maybe, but you're saying it quietly and with dignity, not screaming it.
>
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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

"Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>If anyone wants to see a picture of me,
>look here:
>
>http://www.picturesofmyfinger.com/aboutme.htm

There's something odd about that picture but I just can't...put my finger on it.

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Re: Pentax digital direction

2001-10-23 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Mark Roberts wrote:

> ...and those who shoot film and digital would have to have two sets of lenses
> instead of one. And *carry* both sets whenever we're out shooting both film and
> digital.

Well, I didn't say it was an ideal solution...  You could still use
your full-frame K lenses anyway.

j

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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

> Hey, congrats on the find, Chris!  How much was it?

Ok, since everyone's asking... :)  $580 CAN for the body, 150/2.8, 90/2.8
leaf shutter, AE prism finder, folding waist-level finder, and a wood grip
with a coldshoe on top.  That's about $390 US for those who understand
that better.  :)  The 150/2.8 needs some serious repair (the auto/manual
sliding switch is missing and the lens doesn't stop down on the camera),
and I'll have to see if the leaf shutter needs anything, but even with
this I still think it's not too bad.  The body and finders are in great
shape, though the finders could use some new foam.

> 
> I think that the P67 has an unfair rep as being scarily heavy.  It
> isn't THAT bad, really.  I got one of them Optex neoprene springy
> straps, which really helped distribute the weight when over my
> shoulder.  The strap included by Pentax is next to useless because it
> is so thin -- it feels like it is cutting into your skin.

Do you like the Optex one?  It feels pretty flimsy to me, like I could
pull it apart with my bare hands easily enough.  Not sure I want to trust
a 6x7 to it.  :)  Mine came with a Canon strap on it, and its shoulder pad
is large enough.

Thanks for the stories!

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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread John Coyle

You could always look out for an old pre-set lens, where you get auto-DOF 
preview...:-)

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:18 AM, Skofteland, Christian 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF
> preview
>
> Christian Skofteland
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Re: Lucky, I think

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Bob Rapp wrote:

> A package arrived yesterday containing a Spotmatic Kit that I won on
> Ebay. One of the items was a 135 f2.5 SMC Takumar. There were 2 with
> that designation. The earliest was a 5 element in 4 groups and the
> other a 6 by 6. The 6 by 6 is the same as the famous K135 2.5. As luck
> would have it, I got the 6 by 6!

Congrats!

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Re: Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Bill 

On the basis of what you've described, I'd say there may be a lot more
to the sharpness issue than meets the eye.  May I suggest that you
actually test the ~lens~ by removing the motor drive, mounting the
camera on a substantial and well secured tripod, and by using a
fine-grained slide film.  Also, test the lens at various ~known~
apertures and shutter speeds.  Further, since you're concerned about not
being able to focus with those old, tired eyes of yours , use a
focusing aid, such aa a refconverter set on 2X magnification, or the
magnifier M.  Also, the use of a cable release or the self timer will
minimize any vibration or shake that may contribute to a lack of
sharpness.

FWIW, some time ago while photographing a piece of sculpture, with the
LX on a tripod, etc., I used a refconverter to focus.  It was set to
normal magnification in order to insure proper framing.  I was very
careful to focus precisely.  When I flipped to 2X magnification I could
see that the focusing could be improved still further.  It should be
noted that I was quite close to the subject, and DOF was minimal (I was
using a fast lens - 1.8 or so).  If you were close to the wood, you
might be running into a problem with DOF, too.

If you were shooting at F16.0, you may have also lost a little sharpness
due to diffraction.  While DOF increases at smaller apertures, sharpness
and detail may sometimes suffer.

So, unless you really ~want~ an AF lens, take some time to carefully
explore the potential of the lens you have.  That said, the 35mm K
lenses are sometimes much preferred to the M and A series lenses by many
people.

"William D. Sawyer" wrote:

> I currently have the "A" version of the 35mm f2, 
> which I got at a very good price. I'm VERY disappointed 
> in it's performance, as evidenced by a series of shots 
> I recently took of some old buildings with very weathered 
> wood.  The grain in the wood simply is not sharp.  It 
> was shot with XP-2 rated at 400 in daylight, so the 
> lens was well stopped down, probably in the f8-f16 range. 
> I was using a Super Program, motordriven, on a monopod. 
> Likely shutter speeds in the 1/60-1/250 range.
> 
> Maybe mine is a bad sample, but I am thinking of 
> spending the money to get the new AF version, 
> which has gotten good reviews here on the list 
> from people whose opinions I always respect.
> 
> My question for the list, is whether anyone has ever 
> compared the "M/A' versions with the AF one. I'm not 
> interested in the f3.5 version, which is considered 
> quite sharp, and I do prefer autofocus because of my 
> deteriorating-with-age eyesight. Is the new lens 
> appreciably superior to the older model?  $300 worth?

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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Skofteland, Christian wrote:

> Actually, I don't think I was misreading you at all.  I use an LX as a
> primary camera and wanted an all mechanical (battery only needed for
> meter) second body.  But DOF preview is important to me as is
> interchangeable focusing screens.  If there is a K body that fits
> these requirements I'd like to know.  I thought the MX was the only
> camera that fit the bill.  I know the KX and KM have some features but
> do they accept motors/winders?

Sorry, I read your response as a defense of the MX in general, and I agree
that it's a nicely-spec'ed camera that doesn't need defending in that
way; my point was only about its durability.  The KM and the KX both have
DOF preview, and each of them had a version that took a motor drive (KM
MOT and K2DMD).  However, with the motor drive they're large, expensive
and hard to find... though the Motor Drive MX is *extremely* rare.  I'm
not sure if the KM and KX have interchangeable focusing screens or not.

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LS 2000 & Corel PhotoPaint 8

2001-10-23 Thread Joseph Tainter

I bought Corel Draw & PhotoPaint 8 about 3 years ago. For the past year
I've been learning PhotoPaint, using PhotoCD scans. Now I have an LS
2000, and found the following dilemmas on scanning my first slide. Can
anyone help? The version of Nikon Scan is 2.1.1.

1. I saved the slide as a TIF file. Then PhotoPaint 8 wouldn't open it,
saying "Illegal Tag Value." I got this message with both 8 and 12 bit
scans. PhotoPaint 8 otherwise opens and saves TIF files just fine.

Using Conversions Plus, I converted the file to BMP. This lost half the
file size. (Does BMP not go beyond 8 bits?) But PhotoPaint 8 opened it
just fine.

Then using Hijaak, I opened the original TIF file and trimmed off the
black border from the scan. I saved it as TIF, and this time PhotoPaint
8 opened the file fine. So PhotoPaint doesn't like the black scan border
saved as TIF.

2. But for all images, PhotoPaint 8's "Effects" tools were nearly all
grayed out. I've never had this happen before, and I use some of these
regularly. They work fine otherwise.

So can anyone tell me what's going on, and what to do? Having just
bought a scanner, I don't want to have to buy new or updated software
right away (Corel is now up to version 10).

Thanks,

Joe
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RE: Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-23 Thread Bob Rapp

>From my experience, the K35 f2.0 is sharper than the M/A f2s. The K3.5 is
the sharpest of the manual focus lenses and the auto focus FA 35 f2.0 AL is
reported to knock that marvellous lens over.

Bob

-Original Message-
From: William D. Sawyer


35mm is my favorite focal length for general photography.  I like the
perspective better than a "Normal" lens. I also like the speed of an f2
version, as it allows me to shoot in many of the spots "walking around"
lands me in.

I currently have the "A" version of the 35mm f2, which I got at a very good
price. I'm VERY disappointed in it's performance, as evidenced by a series
of shots I recently took of some old buildings with very weathered wood.
The grain in the wood simply is not sharp.  It was shot with XP-2 rated at
400 in daylight, so the lens was well stopped down, probably in the f8-f16
range. I was using a Super Program, motordriven, on a monopod. Likely
shutter speeds in the 1/60-1/250 range.
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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Amita Guha

> (OK, now lets get the "early K1000" owners fighting with the "late K1000"
> owners!)

I was going to say, there aren't any plastic parts on MY K1000. ;)
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RE: Stereo Adaptor

2001-10-23 Thread Paul M. Provencher

It works.  The film is split into two images to form the stereo pair, you
must shoot in a vertical format, use a 50 or 55mm lens set to f/5.6 or
f/8.0, have your subject between 4 and 12 feet, and have the camera
perfectly level, all for best results (strongest stereo effect).

I have used it.  Kodak processing machine got confused halfway through
mounting the roll and I had to mount most of the frames myself.  The effect
is very cool, and lots of fun.  It is fussy to do if you really want good
results from this set-up.  If you get serious about stereo photography
you'll probably end up with a dedicated camera designed for this purpose or
some contraption that allows for the use of two cameras or shooting with one
camera on a sliding device.

Of late, these sets have been a little pricy for what you get.  It is pretty
well made but you will not be happy to know that they often sell (complete
set) for nearly $300.  You can get them much cheaper if you are patient and
shop around.  It helps to have a second viewing device so you can share the
experience with a friend...

ppro


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary J Sibio
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Stereo Adaptor
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever used the stereo adaptor that Pentax used to market? (I'm
> assuming they no longer do so.) I know it had two parts to it: one that
> went on front of the lens and the other that was used for viewing the
> image. How did it work?
>
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Re: Stereo Adaptor

2001-10-23 Thread E. van Ginkel

I have one which I rarely use nowaday.
There are indeed two parts, one is the viewer. You have to work on slidefilm
(chromes). You have to screw the camera part in front of the lens, like a
filter. The part is intended to be used with a 50 or 55 mm standardlens. You
get to vertical oriented pictures on a 24x36mm slide which can be viewed
with the viewer. The 3D effect can be very nice on some pictures.

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Subject: Stereo Adaptor


> Has anyone ever used the stereo adaptor that Pentax used to market? (I'm
> assuming they no longer do so.) I know it had two parts to it: one that
> went on front of the lens and the other that was used for viewing the
> image. How did it work?
>
> Gary J. Sibio
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Re: Circular polarizer suggestions

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

And definitely don't use it for portraits.
Makes everyone look like Lech Walesa.

>But whatever you do, don't, don't, for God's sake DON'T use it while on the
>Equator, or it will destroy the space-time continuum as we know it...
>>
>> I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are
>> specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or
>> below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black &
>> white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases
>> the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in
>> conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos.

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Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Bah, yourself!  K1000's are just Spotmatics with no dof and lots of plastic
>parts.

Plastic parts on a K1000?
Not on the early ones. 

(OK, now lets get the "early K1000" owners fighting with the "late K1000"
owners!)

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Re: Pentax digital direction

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

"Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> [Thoughts on Mike J.'s comments on possible future digital SLRs]
>> 
>> Illuminating as ever, Mike, and the point that there is no law of
>> nature that favours a 36x24mm frame is a fair one.  However, if
>> Pentax is to move to a smaller-frame digital SLR, while still
>> maintaining compatibility with the lenses we all value so highly,
>> there's some work to do in the area of wideangles.
>
>Well, this would break compatibility with film cameras, but how about
>making lenses that are optimized for the smaller CCDs? They wouldn't
>have to have as big a coverage, and you'd get heavy vignetting if you
>used them on a K-mount film camera, but they'd probably be compact and
>high quality...

...and those who shoot film and digital would have to have two sets of lenses
instead of one. And *carry* both sets whenever we're out shooting both film and
digital.

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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But I AM an amateur...

Maybe, but you're saying it quietly and with dignity, not screaming it.

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Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-23 Thread William D. Sawyer

35mm is my favorite focal length for general photography.  I like the perspective 
better than a "Normal" lens. I also like the speed of an f2 version, as it allows me 
to shoot in many of the spots "walking around" lands me in.

I currently have the "A" version of the 35mm f2, which I got at a very good price. I'm 
VERY disappointed in it's performance, as evidenced by a series of shots I recently 
took of some old buildings with very weathered wood.  The grain in the wood simply is 
not sharp.  It was shot with XP-2 rated at 400 in daylight, so the lens was well 
stopped down, probably in the f8-f16 range. I was using a Super Program, motordriven, 
on a monopod. Likely shutter speeds in the 1/60-1/250 range. 

Maybe mine is a bad sample, but I am thinking of spending the money to get the new AF 
version, which has gotten good reviews here on the list from people whose opinions I 
always respect.

My question for the list, is whether anyone has ever compared the "M/A' versions with 
the AF one. I'm not interested in the f3.5 version, which is considered quite sharp, 
and I do prefer autofocus because of my deteriorating-with-age eyesight. Is the new 
lens appreciably superior to the older model?  $300 worth?


Thanks to all who take the time to reply.

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Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

"Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote:
>
>>  We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon.  I
>> will begin playing with them today.
>> 
>>  The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame
>> recorded. 
>
>Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then...

No, I think perhaps you're confusing image coverage with image magnification.
96% coverage (which is what's being discussed here) just means that 4% of what's
recorded by the CCD will be cropped from the view in the viewfinder. The
remaining 96% can be *magnified* (or reduced or presented life size).


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Re: Circular polarizer suggestions

2001-10-23 Thread Jim Moniz

But whatever you do, don't, don't, for God's sake DON'T use it while on the
Equator, or it will destroy the space-time continuum as we know it...



> Hi,
>
> I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are
> specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or
> below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black &
> white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases
> the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in
> conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos.
>
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Re: OT: Leica

2001-10-23 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Frits J. Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A colleague bought a Leica copy:
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1282762104
> (...)
> The film had to be dropped in from the bottom. Anybody any
guess on
> what kind of film that was?

Hi Frits,

It accepts the usual 35mm film (also known as Leica format)...

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Re: Pentax 645 News

2001-10-23 Thread Brian Campbell (PM)

On 23 Oct 2001, at 20:03, Cotty wrote:


> But I don't really do landscapes. People. And that's 35 mil all over it.
> 
> Rambling,
> Cotty

I dunno, I LOVE shooting people in 6 x 7.  Since I got my 67II, 
I almost don't like using 35mm anymore.  Formal portraits, 
casual portraits, kids portraits, are S much better
handled by the 6x7 negative, what happens when that child's
parents want an 11 x 14 of their kid?  The advantage over 
35mm becomes clear pretty soon.

Landscapes?  Night shots? anything where you have time
to compose and consider your exposure?  The bigger neg
wins out everytime. 

Where the 35mm rules is getting those fast moving
subjects like hyperactive kids at play or actors on stage...  
35mm works well for actors headshots and "newspaper style"
promos that won't see over 8 x 10.  Also when out with a tripod 
and the 600mm shooting birds or that grizzly bear with cubs  

Cheerz!
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B&W Scanning

2001-10-23 Thread Bruce Dayton

Well,

I just scanned a couple of rolls of Kodak Black + White chromogenic film and
then a roll of TMax.  First glance, the chromogenic scans ok, but the TMax
scans extremely grainy.  The lab prints of both look about the same as far
as grain is concernced but my scanner (Minolta Scan Dual II) seems to do
much better with the chromogenic.  Has anyone else seen the same thing, or
perhaps getting the right settings is in order.  I used Hamrick's Vuescan
software.

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Re[2]: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

no - that's Artist...

---

 Bob  

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Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 11:15:53 PM, you wrote:

> Gee,  and all this time I thought poorly focused, poorly composed, poorly
> lit pictures screamed amateur!  If I had only known!!

> Dave
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Re: OT: Leica

2001-10-23 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

it should take ordinary 35mm film. There should be an empty take-up
spool which comes out. You thread the film leader into the take-up spool,
drop it all back into the camera, put the bottom on and start
photographing.

---

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Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 10:49:33 PM, you wrote:

> A colleague bought a Leica copy:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1282762104
> I have seen the camera and was impressed, but wondered as well about the
> film.
> The bottom can be removed, and something that might look like a 35mm film
> canister can be placed, but I wonder if there was a take up spool to be
> used. The film had to be dropped in from the bottom. Anybody any guess on
> what kind of film that was?

> Frits Wüthrich
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Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

You forgot the small matter of focus. :)
--graywolf


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> Here's a thought:
>
> surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be "full frame" is
the
> distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP
camera
> the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be
> achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I
> accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning
> and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing
> the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a
> thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough...
>
>
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Re: Pentax teleconverters

2001-10-23 Thread Bruce Dayton

I have an A 400 f:5.6 and I use the 1.4X-L.  It has a snout on the end that
fits into the recess at the back of the lens.  It is my understanding that
there are less vignetting problems with it.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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> I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the
> differences are. Which one is best suited for the SMC-A 400mm f/5.6?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Frits Wüthrich
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Good Job

2001-10-23 Thread Cory or Brenda Waters

I just want to say how much I like "Coming..." By Edward Kreis in this
month's PUG.
The colors, the light posts, the shore and the sky
REALLY nice shot.

Cory Waters
who did NOT send that binocular question more than once, really

PS I REALLY like this picture.
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote:

>   We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon.  I
> will begin playing with them today.
> 
>   The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame
> recorded. 

Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then...

j

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Re: OT:Good weekend & it was sunny to

2001-10-23 Thread Cotty

>Cotty.I assume you meant the D1 not 30-06 (ha ha)
>The price for these in our area run from $20.00 to 
>$25.00 Canadian for a 8x10.I charge $20.00, plus
>air fare to your neck of the woods(hills)

Thanks Dave,

That's really very reasonable. I work out 25 Can bucks to be about 11 
GBP. I've just done a shoot on a tv set (news titles being shot with 
presenters sat round a big table looking like they know what they're 
doing etc while camera flies past on a crane etc) and am charging 10 quid 
each. There are 20 shots to choose from.

I think I want to come over to Canada and shoot horses if you sold 90 
prints in an afternoon!

Nice one mate.

Cotty

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RE: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread David Hatfield

Gee,  and all this time I thought poorly focused, poorly composed, poorly
lit pictures screamed amateur!  If I had only known!!

Dave
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Re: Pentax digital direction

2001-10-23 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [Thoughts on Mike J.'s comments on possible future digital SLRs]
> 
> Illuminating as ever, Mike, and the point that there is no law of
> nature that favours a 36x24mm frame is a fair one.  However, if
> Pentax is to move to a smaller-frame digital SLR, while still
> maintaining compatibility with the lenses we all value so highly,
> there's some work to do in the area of wideangles.

Well, this would break compatibility with film cameras, but how about
making lenses that are optimized for the smaller CCDs? They wouldn't
have to have as big a coverage, and you'd get heavy vignetting if you
used them on a K-mount film camera, but they'd probably be compact and
high quality...

j


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Pentax teleconverters

2001-10-23 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the
differences are. Which one is best suited for the SMC-A 400mm f/5.6?

Thanks in advance.

Frits Wüthrich
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Pentax digital direction

2001-10-23 Thread Patrick White

"Clive Williams" writes:
>So I have a suggestion.  Assuming for the moment that Pentax does decide to
take the
>smaller-CCD route and make something like the D30, how about adding a
couple of
>'digital-only' wideangles - say 12mm and 16mm?  These could be made more
cheaply than
>lenses that have to cover the full 36x24mm, and could have an extra prong
on the mount
>to keep them from being inadvertently attached to a film body.  I think I'd
buy one.
>Would anyone else?

I suppose some extra piece of glass that shrinks the 36x24mm coverage from
a lens down to the size of the CCD is not possible?  Sort of like the
opposite of a teleconverter.
Build it into the camera body itself and suddenly everybody gets happy --
the engineers can use a smaller CCD, the wideangle lens junkies still get
their wide angle views, the cost-conscious consumers don't have to pay $$$
for the 36x24mm sensor and the advanced amateurs can still use all their
beloved K-mount lenses.

Must be some sort of catch though, cause it seems such an obvious solution
yet nobody seems to be doing it.

later,
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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Cotty

>I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if
>we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter
>:-P

Judging from the last Self-Portrait PUG, I would have said Francis Ford 
Coppola.

;-)
Cotty

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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Ed

Are you looking for adjectives to describe that discussion?  What a
slippery slope we would descend to go there again.  Let's just one
side won and one side lost.  It was a very polarizing, dividing
discussion, with two pretty much mutually exclusive groups.

Thanks,
Ed
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> 
> 
> ok, how about "heated?
> 
> Christian Skofteland
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > Perhaps "angry" s far to strong a word to describe the 
> discussion at 
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Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Nicholas Wright

Yes, it does.

Nick

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>Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2001, 12:19 PM
>

> but it doesn't have DOF preview!!!   otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-)
>
> Christian Skofteland
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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Brendan

Oh it is possible take good close ups with out DOF
alright I'll crawl into the cave now :)

--- Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and
> such without DOF
> > preview
> 
> I dunno, I've done ok without DOF. You can't miss
> what you've never
> had. ;) Not that I wouldn't like to have it, of
> course...
> 
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OT: Barbie (was: Bizarro PDML!)

2001-10-23 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo

"dave o'brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> For it to be a proper Barbie camera, all the large numbers should be
> repainted with 'Math is hard!'

If we're going to go OT with Barbie jokes, here's my favorite:

A rather inexperienced father is browsing the doll section of the toy
store, searching for a doll for his daughter.  Looking confused, and
holding a doll in each hand, he accosts a saleswoman, asking: "Excuse
me; does Barbie come with Ken?"  She answers: "No, honey, Barbie comes
with G.I. Joe.  She fakes it with Ken."

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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread tom

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> 
> I never thought it in a PUG way.
> I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera was used,
> even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence.
> I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if
> we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter
> :-P
> 
> Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an autopug style of
> submitting.

Well, there's this:

http://pug.komkon.org/00augu/index.html

Is this being added to? I didn't think there were so many submissions...

Also, Dan K. has a page somewhere.

tv
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Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-23 Thread Ryan Charron

It just does, that's all there is to it!

No Canon or Nikon even comes close. 


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Re: RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread David Brooks

Minor point.If used ones up here did not cost 
what the K1000 did in 1997 when i bought mine,I'd
own at least one more.

Dave(K man )Brooks

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but it doesn't have DOF preview!!!   otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-)

Christian Skofteland




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RE: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Amita Guha

If anyone wants to see a picture of me,
look here:

http://www.picturesofmyfinger.com/aboutme.htm
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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Brendan

No "heated" is too mild a word.

--- "Skofteland, Christian"
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> ok, how about "heated?
> 
> Christian Skofteland
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shel Belinkoff
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> > Perhaps "angry" s far to strong a word to describe
> the discussion at
> > that time.
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RE: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Skofteland, Christian

looking through the archives, wasn't "self portrait" a PUG theme at one
point?

Christian Skofteland


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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Our Faces
> 
> 
> I never thought it in a PUG way.
> I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera 
> was used,
> even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence.
> I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how 
> old are us, if
> we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter
> :-P
> 
> Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an 
> autopug style of
> submitting.
> Just a guess
> 
> AG
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Kent Gittings

Also the focus ability of the lens depends on the registration distance to
the film plane. All the lenses would no longer focus at the normal ranges.
Kent Gittings
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Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one


Here's a thought:

surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be "full frame" is the
distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP camera
the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be
achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I
accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning
and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing
the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a
thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough...


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Re: OT:Good weekend & it was sunny to

2001-10-23 Thread Cotty

>Had a very enjoyable weekend,last.I was invited by a stable
>in our zone to take portraits of the riders, after
>our banquet,with their ribbons,trophys horses etc.
>Took the D1 and computers
[mr. snippy visits]
>I thought at best to sell 1 pic per person

Dave, I hope you don't mind me asking - if I were sat on a horse and just 
had myself and beast shot by you, how much would I have to pay for a 
print?

Ignore this if you'd rather not say.

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-23 Thread Cotty

>Woo hoo!  I managed to snag a Pentax 6x7 (w/ MLU) at a local flea market
>for a very reasonable price.

C'mon Chris, don't keep us in suspense - what's a reasonable price

Cotty

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my weekend

2001-10-23 Thread Amita Guha

I took my K1000 and my new (to me) Vivitar 75-205mm
zoom out to an informal dog show/fundraiser run by a
local animal shelter. This was my first real shoot with
the zoom. It was great not having to juggle different
lenses, and I took more chances pressing the shutter even
when I wasn't sure all my settings were quite right, so I
hope I got more keepers this time.

One advantage of having old, rugged equipment was that I
wasn't that worried when a couple of friendly
doggies jumped on me and the camera. :)

--Amita
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Re: Pentax 645 News

2001-10-23 Thread Cotty

>What Cotty didnt want to type:
>
>PENTAX TARGETS 'ADVANCED AMATEURS' WITH 645N II 

Ha! Sorry Rob, I was glancing through it really fast - didn't see that 
bit - honest.

I don't get paid for taking stills (well hardy ever) so that makes me an 
amateur, but I don't call myself advanced - in fact I'm still learning 
(after 24 years...) so that 645 can't be aimed at me! Whew, that was 
close - I've just about broken the bank getting my LX, so that's saved 1/ 
relationship 2/ my sanity and 3/ I can stil buy some film..

I think I would only consider medium format for landscapes - and I must 
admit I was green with envy at a certain Australian's Mamiya 7 ll - who 
needs an SLR for landscapes, hell you don't really need a viewfinder!

But I don't really do landscapes. People. And that's 35 mil all over it.

Rambling,
Cotty

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Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Evan Hanson

Good point I forgot about you bug photographers. : )

- Original Message - 
From: "Skofteland, Christian" 

> I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF
> preview
> 
> Christian Skofteland
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Evan Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > 
> > Who needs DOF, K,M, & A lenses have easy to read scales. ; ). 
> >  And one touch
> > zooms have those crazy lines.
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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Amita Guha

> I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF
> preview

I dunno, I've done ok without DOF. You can't miss what you've never
had. ;) Not that I wouldn't like to have it, of course...

--Amita
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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Skofteland, Christian

ok, how about "heated?

Christian Skofteland

> -Original Message-
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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Albano_Garcia

I never thought it in a PUG way.
I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera was used,
even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence.
I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if
we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter
:-P

Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an autopug style of
submitting.
Just a guess

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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Juan J. Buhler

> Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive?
> When I unsubscribed a few months ago for my European vacation it was
> OK to use just about anything on non-themed months, although use of
> Pentax equipment was requested for the themed galleries.
> 
> Now, however, I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment
> be used for every submission.

I have an idea everybody! Let's try to define what's Pentax equipment
and what isn't!

(John, if the archives are still there, look for a neverending series
of threads along the lines of "what is Pentax equipment", from about 3
moths ago or so)

j

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Re: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Perhaps "angry" s far to strong a word to describe the discussion at
that time.

"Skofteland, Christian" wrote:
> 
> Don't start that again  When I first 
> joined the list a few months ago
> there was a lot of angry messages flying 
> around about what is acceptable and
> what is not.

From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> > Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive?

> > [...] I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment
> > be used for every submission.

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RE: Spotted FS: MX underwater housing...

2001-10-23 Thread Kent Gittings

I have one in my collection for the Spotmatic actually. One of my well worn
but working ES bodies fits it perfectly.
Kent Gittings

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Spotted for sale in UK dealer:

'Ikolite underwater housing with flash to fit Pentax MX...GBP 250'

MPS Photographic, England 0191 232 3558

http://wwwmps-photographic.co.uk

Just saw it in a magazine advert - not seen it. Unusual, I would have
thought?

Cheers,

Cotty

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RE: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Amita Guha

Funny, all the recent model Canons I've handled have
felt flimsy and "amateur" to me. I like the
AE1, but that's about it. The Eos series cameras feel
and handle like toys.
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Re[2]: Circular polarizer suggestions

2001-10-23 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

the serious answer is this:

Yes, you have to rotate it. It eliminates reflections, so the time to
use it is when there are a lot of reflections around, eg sunlight on
water, or reflections off glossy leaves. You can preview the effect by
watching it through the viewfinder. The effect is greater the nearer
you are to an angle of 35 degrees with the reflecting surface. It also
darkens skies (by reducing the reflections off airborne vapour) so that
clouds stand out, and it increases colour saturation. It reduces the
light transmission to the film by about 1.3 stops, so your viewfinder
will be a little darker than normal.

I personally wouldn't use it in conjunction with a red filter, but
then, I wouldn't use a red filter. You shouldn't use it all the time.
Use it only when it gives you the effect you want.

You can use use them anywhere on Earth. You don't have to be in the
polar regions.

---

 Bob  

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Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 6:37:03 PM, you wrote:

> I am using exclusively black and white film too.


> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are
>> specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or
>> below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black &
>> white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases
>> the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in
>> conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos.
>>
>> ---
>> That was a plug'n'play answer, brought to you by
>>  Bobook of the North
>>
>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 6:00:36 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > Howdy all,
>> > I just got a new circular polarizing filter for my ZX7 and was wondering
> if
>> > there is anythign special I have to do to use it (rotating,etc) or is
> this
>> > just a "plug and play" filter. Should I use it all the time? Coupled
> with a
>> > red filter will it work any better or shoudl I just use one or the
> other?
>> > Thanks
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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread GLewis4457

Sorry, left out the smiley...8-)
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RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Skofteland, Christian

I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF
preview

Christian Skofteland

> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> 
> Who needs DOF, K,M, & A lenses have easy to read scales. ; ). 
>  And one touch
> zooms have those crazy lines.
> 
> Evan
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.

2001-10-23 Thread Kent Gittings

Correct. The chip technology itself is always changing which generally
requires totally different technology around it to make it work. For
sharpness CCD chips are going from front illumination to rear illumination
because it eliminates the illumination hardware in front of the CCD pixel
which the light has to filter through. However rear illumination has its own
physical difficulties because to reach the same light recording levels the
separation of the light has to be as little as possible, meaning the CCD
array needs to be only around 10 microns thick.
The only upgrades I've seen for CCD hardware is in the design and
manufacture of a new version of the same chip array with some new
performance like increased sensitivity to various light levels and reduced
noise. Like going from the regular to the Kodak E CCD chips.
Kent Gittings

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Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.


Frits wrote:

> If the one that we already saw is upgradable, would it be possible it
would
> hit the market with a smaller CCD to begin with? That might be an
> interesting upgrade path.

The possibility of an earlier camera being upgradeable is very close to
zero.

--Mike
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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-23 Thread Skofteland, Christian

Don't start that again  When I first joined the list a few months ago
there was a lot of angry messages flying around about what is acceptable and
what is not.

Christian Skofteland

> -Original Message-
> From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive?
> When I unsubscribed a few months ago for my European vacation it was
> OK to use just about anything on non-themed months, although use of
> Pentax equipment was requested for the themed galleries.
> 
> Now, however, I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment
> be used for every submission.
> 
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RE: Ebay Offender list?

2001-10-23 Thread Kent Gittings

Just look at their feedback. If they have few and some are bad avoid them.
If they have lots and a few are bad usually they are Ebay marketers and you
can't please everybody. Meaning there are just as many if not more rotten
buyers as sellers.
Kent Gittings

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Is there a list of Ebayers that are known for shoddy deals? I'm new to this
list and I'm looking manual K-mount lenses.I'd like to avoid those who
wronged the listmembers in the past. thanks.
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread dick graham

Obviously Canon is feeling the pressure from 3rd party lens sales.

DG


At 10:34 AM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American:
>
>"Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens"
>
>"For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera"
>
>
>Just wanted to share...
>
>j
>
>
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Robert Harris

Juan J. Buhler wrote:

> Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American:
> 
> "Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens"
> 
> "For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera"


Same ad appears in current (November) Shutterbug.

I assume it means that their lens sales are suffering from the 
interesting new offerings from third-party vendors. (E.g., Sigma 15-30, 
Tamron 24-135, Tokina 24-200, etc.)

Bob Harris
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Vs: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating

2001-10-23 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Hi Frank!
It is a nice (but heavy) camera and the lens is very good. The electronics cannot be 
repaired but you can always find another one.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen

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Aihe: Re: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating


>Hi, Raimo,
>
>Yeah, I know you can pretty much figure out the shutter speed with the method you 
>mention.  Thats what I've been doing, and it works acceptably well for what I've been 
>using the camera for.  My point simply was that I would prefer a manual override, or 
>at least some sort of indicator in the viewfinder or
>somewhere as to what the shutter speed is.  No big deal, though.  For what I paid for 
>it, I am more than happy with the results I've been getting.
>
>As for the "poor man's Leica" thing, well, that wasn't from me.  A lovely camera (for 
>the price) it may be, but it ain't no Leica!  I am a poor man though...   :-)
>
>regards,
>frank
>
>Raimo Korhonen wrote:
>
>> If you want a specific shutter speed it is not that difficult to get: overexposure 
>is over 1/500 and shake warning is under 1/30 - so watch when one of those 
>illuminates and adjust aperture the required number of stops. I tested one a couple 
>of years back for the Finnish magazine and the lens is really good.
>> But poor man´s Leica is the Canonet GIII.
>> All the best!
>> Raimo
>>
>
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RE: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts

>Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American:
>
>"Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens"

Yeah. Saw it. Just about the most offensive ad I've seen since the famous
Nike "You don't win the silver you lose the gold" ad.

"Nothing screams TWIT like a person who buys expensive stuff so they can
LOOK like a professional."

I think Sigma's latest EX series lens offerings are scaring the sh*t out
of a lot of camera manufacturers. Canon seems worried, anyway ;)


-- 
Mark Roberts
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OT:Good weekend & it was sunny to

2001-10-23 Thread David Brooks

Had a very enjoyable weekend,last.I was invited by a stable
in our zone to take portraits of the riders, after
our banquet,with their ribbons,trophys horses etc.
Took the D1 and computers and 2 helpers(wife/daughter).They
had it well organized with a rider every 15 minutes or so
and have a very nice front lawn for backgrounds(blue spruce
and white birch trees)
I thought at best to sell 1 pic per person with some
buying a second for grama,but no.Everyone liked the pictures
and wound up printing 90 for 25 riders.I stopped shooting at 4pm
and finished the prints at home by 5pm the next day.Talk
about mouse withdrawl.
One thing i did learn was shooting this type of portrait you
have to think and setup quickly as horse and rider move about
quite rapidly and have your eye in the finder always or you'll
miss some good shots.
I quess the point of this is by using methods from lifes 
experiences and helpfull hints from the list members i had
a great day and a great learning experience.

Dave

Ps sorry about the D1 but if Pentax made a slr digital, well.




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Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!

2001-10-23 Thread Evan Hanson

Who needs DOF, K,M, & A lenses have easy to read scales. ; ).  And one touch
zooms have those crazy lines.

Evan

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!


> but it doesn't have DOF preview!!!   otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-)
>
> Christian Skofteland
>
> >
> >
> > Bah, enough with all this MX nonsense, everyone knows the K1000 is the
> > benevolent ruler of the Pentax world.
> >
> > Evan
> > Whose K1000 has never failed once in 19 years of not so gentle use.
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-23 Thread Bruce Dayton

Nothing scream AMATEUR louder than ads like that.  It is also on the outside
back cover of Nov. Pop Photography.  I would truly be embarrased if I were a
Canon shooter.  Obviously Pentax isn't the only one who can create sappy
ads.

Bruce Dayton

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Funny OT: Canon ad


> Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American:
>
> "Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens"
>
> "For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera"
>
>
> Just wanted to share...
>
> j
>
>
> --
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Server glitch:

2001-10-23 Thread William Robb

My ISP was doing maintenance last night, for what seemed like
forever. My apologies if it caused a bunch of bounced email
messages. All is well now.
William Robb
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Rob Brigham

You know the real people who seem to be benefitting from this digital
whatnot are Sigma.  This is all due to the smaller sensors.  Apparently
none of the camera manufacturers make any money out of the bodies, but
Sigma sell s**tloads of wide angle lenses now.

I keep reading user reviews which say they couldnt afford the OEM
version, but the Sigma is great.  They dont have the development costs
for doing anything digitalwise, they just make cheap wide angles and
super wide angles which people need.  The OEM versions are soo expensive
that the manufacturers MUST be losing lens business as well as not
making enough money on the bodies to cover the development costs.

If pentax brings out a 'non-full-frame' digital SLR, how many people
will be buying the Sigma 15mm, or the 17-35mm, or the 15.30mm?  PEntax
is either too expensive or they dont have a wide enough competitor, so
they will lose lens sales.  For this reason I think they should have
waited until they could do full frame.  I want an FA24/2, but I am not
spending that much for what will be a 35mm equivalent!!

Never mind the number of pixels (to a degree), BUT GIVE US FULL FRAME!!!
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Kent Gittings

You have to remember that with the smaller CCD array you basically cut out
any edge distortion the lens may have. This is a bonus especially with wide
angle lenses. I think this was the reason Sigma brought out the 15-30 EX
zoom. However the multiplication ratio of these cameras vary some because
some ,like the Nikon D1 series, comes in bodies with 2 different arrays with
different sizes and therefore different multiplication ratios. Most fall in
the 1.2-1.5 range.
Kent Gittings

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matamoros, Cesar A.
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one


The 'magnification' factor is one of the reasons I have not truly
looked at a digital SLR.  I have started to enjoy wide angle shooting and
would not relish having to get a 17mm to get a 25mm.  And I have heard of
the problems with distortion with the 17mms.  People have corrected this
with photo s/w but again something I do not relish doing.

Another aspect of the 'magnification' factor is that with only the
central part of the lens being used people have been finding they have to
really watch the shutter speed as any motion is more noticeable since the
image is enlarged more to get the same size image as with a non-digital SLR.
Though people point out that you are using the 'sweet spot' of lenses if you
are not using toward the edges.

By the end of next month I should have the possibility to begin
spending some time with a Nikon D1x and D1H here at work.  I am still
looking at Pentax since most of my lenses are in that system and I love the
glass I have.

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Dayton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:54 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
>
> Currently, no SLR on the shelf from Nikon or Canon has a full frame CCD.
> Telephoto lenses are also multiplied.  If you shoot lots of telephoto,
> this
> could be an advantage.  The point I was making was that part of the reason
> to use Pentax is that I already have the lenses.  But if the CCD isn't
> full
> frame, then I will have to do some changes on the wide end.  If I am going
> to make changes, it gives me more reason to look seriously at the
> competition.
>
> Bruce Dayton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
>
>
> > Do other quality digital cameras offer FF CCD that can be used with the
> > lenses from their SLRs?  What happens with a telephoto lens - is, for
> > example, a 300mm lens longer or shorter when used with a less than FF
> > CCD?
> >
> > Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp?
> > Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints?
> >
> > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > >
> > > The big advantage to a full frame CCD is that our existing wide angle
> lenses
> > > will remain as such.  Nothing quite so exciting as having your 20mm
> behave
> > > like it was a 35mm.  So, if I have to buy some new lenses (I like
> wides),
> > > then why buy Pentax.  It seems to me, that lens compatibility with my
> > > *existing* lenses is a big reason to consider a digital Pentax.
> > >
> > > So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this
> arena
> > > coupled with me having to revamp part of my system.  Sure pushes me to
> want
> > > to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a
> much
> > > faster rate.
> >
> > --
> > Shel Belinkoff
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Rob Brigham

Trouble is - you would lose either infinity focus or close focus, as
your sensor is no longer mounted on the normal plane of focus.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mick Maguire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 23 October 2001 14:26
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
> 
> 
> Here's a thought:
> 
> surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be "full 
> frame" is the
> distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing 
> the 3MP camera
> the array were place closer to the lens then surely full 
> frame would be
> achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the 
> resolution). I
> accept that this could mean major design issues such as 
> mirror positioning
> and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you 
> are designing
> the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I 
> said just a
> thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> /\/\ick...
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Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Eric Lawton

I believe that (some of?)the Fuji cameras use a non-rectangular array of 
sensors (heaxagonal/honeycomb pattern maybe?).  This requires them to re-map 
(interpolate) the data from the sensors to a rectangular pixel pattern.

Eric

>From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:43:01 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>
> > Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp?
> > Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints?
>
>Interpolation. The same low-budget method used by a flatbed scanner
>with 600 dpi optical resolution to get 9600 dpi resolution in software.
>  It takes the 600 dpi image (or 3mp image) and figures out what "ought
>to" be between the large pixels it has to get the small pixels it
>wants.
>
>For example, say you're interpolating from 100 dpi to 200 dpi. That
>means that for each pixel you have, you need to create three more, for
>a total of four, because four 200 dpi pixels fit "underneath" each 100
>dpi pixel.
>


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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.

2001-10-23 Thread Rob Brigham

MF print magnification is less than 35mm, so that cant be the reason...

> -Original Message-
> From: Francis Tang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 23 October 2001 14:15
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
> 
> 
> Dear Mike,
> 
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:37:11PM -0500, Mike Johnston wrote:
> > P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea 
> that a "full-size"
> > sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm 
> really not sure
> > it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: 
> it means lenses
> > can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly 
> faster, and depth
> > of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All 
> these are true
> > advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an
> > evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think 
> we "want" this
> > because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital 
> shakes free of
> > 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just 
> one more natural
> > advantage of digital.
> 
> I am curious about your comment about increased DOF with a smaller
> format.  I was always under the impression that we get more DOF with
> 35mm over MF because the typical print magnification is less.  Am I
> missing something more subtle here?
> 
> Yours sincrely,
> 
> Frank.
> 
> -- 
> Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student.
> LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK.
> Tel: +44 131 6505185.  Fax: +44 131 6677209.  Office: 1603, JCMB, KB.
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-23 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.

Jay,

I received the B&H Digital Catalog also.  Where is the Contax N1
listed?  I did not notice it when I quickly perused the catalog this
weekend.

Still waiting to get my mitts on the D1s up front,

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:32 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
> 
> B&H's new digital catalog lists the new Contax N1 which is a 6MP camera
> and 
> uses new AF lenses (50f1.4 lists for $595).  So the 6 MP is here.  Canon 
> suprised me by coming out with a 4 MP EOS1D for @ $6,500 list.  I use the
> D30 
> at work and enjoy using it, especially when my 80-200 f/2.8 becomes a 320 
> f/2.8, but hate the 20mm now a 32mm.  The 1D will have firewire and only a
> 
> 1.3 lens magnification, but for a street price of $5,000 you still only
> get a 
> 5.5 x7.5 photo-quality image.  The D30 when it first came out sold for
> $3,000 
> a year ago.  The price has only come down $500 (with a free 1 gig
> Micro-drive 
> and extra battery), so it is definitly holding its value.  I hope Pentax 
> comes out ahead of the pack with a 5 MP SLR since Minolta, Olympus and
> Sony 
> already have fixed lens cameras available now in this size, and the Sony
> is 
> less than $1,000.
> 
> Jay
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Our Faces

2001-10-23 Thread Albano_Garcia

I konw this subject pops up from time to time, but I want to say it again:
Why we don't put together a page with recent portraits (or even better
selfportraits) of we the members in order to have an idea of how we are, or
at least how we look.
I think it could be nice and fun
Regards

Albano
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RE: photographic magazine.....

2001-10-23 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Jones [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:28 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: photographic magazine.
> 
> Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags.
> 
> if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to
> www.crumpler.com.au
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: photographic magazine.
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a crumpler bag with a camera bag insert and its great. I have the
> > Weenie bag which i'm selling as i'm going to change to the wonder
> weenie.
> >
> > Paul


Interesting that this was brought up.  

While I was in Baltimore, Maryland in September I ended up
getting two of their small pouches for a couple of my lenses.  I believe
they are the Minor and the Jacksie.  The larger one can hold my 28 and 77.
They work great and can be added onto a belt.  I had never heard of them
before.  They looked durable.

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida
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