RE: Back from vacation - equipment experiences
Actually I didn't stay at an A/C hotel (when I was there I sure wished I did...) and the problems occured after almost a whole day of shooting during which the camera worked just fine. Thanks for the tip, though. I know that condensation is a problem when changing the climate, and it frequently occurs here in Sweden in winter time when you use the camera outdoors. Bringing it indoors create exactly the problem you describe, unless you let it adjust to room temperature in a sealed plastic bag. It didn't occur to me that the same mechanism can occur in the jungle - from cool and dry to warmer and humid. regards, Erik -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: den 23 oktober 2001 04:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Back from vacation - equipment experiences Erik, Liquid penetration is possible with a non sealed camera like an MZ-3 but in the tropics it's condensation that you need to beware of. Perhaps you spent the night in an air-conditioned hotel room so that when you went out for a day's touring the camera was still cool for a while and became a target for condensation from the surrounding air, especially if the humidity was in the 90% to 100% range at 35ºC plus. The best system of prevention is to store the camera overnight in a sealed plastic bag with dessicant, and each day upon leaving your cool, dry hotel room leave the camera sealed in its bag until it has reached ambient temperature. Result: no condensation :) Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Erik Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) ... due to some equipment problems... And this is where it might be interesting also for you... First, my MZ-3 stopped working in the rain forest. It was obviously partly my own fault, since I didn't protect it sufficiently. After one day of trekking it just died. No response whatsoever, no info on the display either. It didn't help to change from the battery pack to normal lithium cells. So, I left the place and went to Kuala Lumpur where the camera woke up after two days. Now everything is back to normal... So, what's to learn from this? Well, keep the camera in a bag to prevent it from being wet by dripping water. The humidity is difficult to handle, but I should have protected it from the sweat pouring off my body... (snip) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Angle of View
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:22:02 -0700 From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: OT: Angle of View When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is point from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the lens, front element? The angle of view is measured from the optical center of the lens. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Spotted FS: MX underwater housing...
Spotted for sale in UK dealer: 'Ikolite underwater housing with flash to fit Pentax MX...GBP 250' MPS Photographic, England 0191 232 3558 http://wwwmps-photographic.co.uk Just saw it in a magazine advert - not seen it. Unusual, I would have thought? Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. On 22 Oct 2001, at 14:07, aimcompute wrote: When we get down to it, it's not the size of the 35mm frame that renders a high quality photo or not (stating the obvious... sorry). It's the overall quality of the lenses and recording device, regardless of the dimensions of the frame size. Certainly a CCD of higher density is overall more important than it's dimensions. Rob wrote: Certainly is not, what do you reckon the quality of a 6MP CCD of 2mm x 3mm dimension would be? Tom Says: Well I'm sure you're correct and I was technically vague. I was speaking more to the desire that a CCD be particular x dimension by y dimenson, than I was small vs. large. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Hey... now that's the spirit! Tom C. - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. Bah, I'll never buy it until they make a full size 6x7 sensor on a body that takes my 67 lenses! ;) If the price were right, I'd consider a smaller-than-35mm sensor body that took my existing lenses, provided that it was as backwards-compatible as the MZ-S -- I want to be able to use my 67 lenses on it with an adaptor. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotted FS: MX underwater housing...
Hi, This shop is reasonably local to me. If anyone wants further details, I could go and look at it one evening or at the weekend. mike Cotty wrote: 'Ikolite underwater housing with flash to fit Pentax MX...GBP 250' MPS Photographic, England 0191 232 3558 http://wwwmps-photographic.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The demise of Kodachrome ... T-Max 400 ... :-
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 Alexander Grigolia wrote: Hmm, I wonder if Paul Simon will record a song honoring T-Max 400? Everything's symbolic in black white! ... Nah. I read somewhere that because Kodak forced Paul Simon to include the little Trade Mark logo (the 'R' in a circle) at the end of the word 'Kodachrome' on all his record/tape/CD sleeves, at some live perfomances he actually changed the lyric And everything looks worse in black and white to Everything looks BETTER in black and white. Way to go Kodak! Strikes me that if he changed 'Nikon' to 'Pentax' that song would be perfect :-) Chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
This is often the case with periodicals. I think it's more to do with the costs involved in shipping items larger or bulkier than the actual magazine - including the odd free roll of film on the cover. A couple of months ago I decided to subscribe to Practical Photography. Rang up the subscriptions department, quoting the ref number they give in the mag. Subscriptions dept quoted me a dearer price for 12 issues and said they didn't send the gifts outside of the UK - even though there is NO mention of this in the mag. Cost is certainly an issue (d'oh!) with me. I subscribed to AP during an promotional offer and the cost worked out to about 69 quid a year (I live in England), where the normal UK subs rate is 94 quid. (Sorry, 'quid' = GBPounds) I certainly would not subscribe to a paper-based production, even weekly, if the cost were the other side of a hundred pounds. There's too much information, quicker, accessed on the net to warrant that. But I might spend that much (and more) if I were living somewhere like India. Then again, I might try setting up my own magazine! They ship abroad, rates to 'Middle-East' are £118 per year (51 issues) and to 'Far East' are £138. India might scrape into 'Middle' ?? Call +44 (0) 1444 475675 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info regarding payment. Hey I should get a finder's fee! Paper magazines are in decline. I used to subscribe to 'MacWorld', a monthly costing about 3 or 4 quid an issue. Being monthly, all the news in it was out of date by up to 6 weeks (publishing a monthly means 'putting to bed' so early that any news is stale by the time you read it. Okay, features and how-to's are always worth a look, but other than that, it just wasn't worth it. Online websites provide up-to-the-minute news and response, at little cost to the reader. However, at the moment, there's still nothing like rolling up a well-thumbed issue of something like AP and stuffin it in yer back pocket for a quick nosy in the cafe. At least, not until we have pliable, roll-up PDA's (stuffed in a pocket) that connect up wirelessly for email and net. Then the paper mags will have a real fright... ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotted FS: MX underwater housing...
Spotted for sale in UK dealer: 'Ikolite underwater housing with flash to fit Pentax MX...GBP 250' MPS Photographic, England 0191 232 3558 http://wwwmps-photographic.co.uk The real name is Ikelite, they are still in business. http://www.ikelite.com Regards Jerome - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Offender list?
Is there a list of Ebayers that are known for shoddy deals? I'm new to this list and I'm looking manual K-mount lenses.I'd like to avoid those who wronged the listmembers in the past. Dean, With eBay, the real 'bad guys' wouldn't let it get to the stage where they were blacklisted by eBay officialdom (although then they would just give false registration info, or certainly different info than before). If a user gets too many negative feedbacks, they can just change their ID, hence the 'shades' icon next to their username. Personally I wouldn't bid on anything being auctioned by a user with zero feedback. Not worth it. Unless I had numerous email contact during the auction, but even then, I would still be extremely cautious. The anonymity the internet provides is ideal for 'bad guys', but fortunately - as I jave found to my absolute joy - the good guys outnumber the bad guys overwhelmingly. I have had fabulous buys with great sellers - even made some friends along the way. I think that one can tell an awful lot simply by looking at the auction page: a lack of information about the item tells me that that sloppiness will probably filter down through to the actual buying and transporting of the item too. I once bought my most expensive purchase from a US seller. It was an A*85mm 1.4 and the auction page had detailed descriptions, loads of good pics of the item, including detailed close-ups. He had taken great care in promoting it. We had good email before the auction closed, and the vibes were excellent. It was mint in box and I paid through the nose (960 bucks) in the last 20 seconds or so, but it was well worth it. The transaction went very smoothly, with good communication (vital during an international sale) and I was over the moon. If I see something I really like (and can't afford!) that is poorly described, shoddy or no pictures, minimal or no email, I wouldn't touch it. There's too many good users out there, it's just a matter of time before the same item comes up again. My .02 Euros ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax digital direction
[Thoughts on Mike J.'s comments on possible future digital SLRs] Illuminating as ever, Mike, and the point that there is no law of nature that favours a 36x24mm frame is a fair one. However, if Pentax is to move to a smaller-frame digital SLR, while still maintaining compatibility with the lenses we all value so highly, there's some work to do in the area of wideangles. One friend has recently bought a Canon D30. He lives in the US, uses it mainly to photograph baseball and is delighted that it gives him magnification equivalent to 320mm from a 200mm lens. Many of us though, me included, take more 'wide' pictures than 'long' ones, and don't relish the idea of paying a four-figure sum for a 15mm just to get the width we're used to from 24mm. So I have a suggestion. Assuming for the moment that Pentax does decide to take the smaller-CCD route and make something like the D30, how about adding a couple of 'digital-only' wideangles - say 12mm and 16mm? These could be made more cheaply than lenses that have to cover the full 36x24mm, and could have an extra prong on the mount to keep them from being inadvertently attached to a film body. I think I'd buy one. Would anyone else? Clive Williams - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital news
In a message dated 22/10/01 19:35:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? Can I place my order right now? As I recall, when the list was hosted by the Pentax site, someone from Pentax did keep an ear to the ground. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Minolta 16's (was: Cheating)
I was lucky enough to find a film cartridge from 1980 at my parents' house. Film sources can be found at www.subclub.org I don't have the patience yet to buy 16mm bulk film and load it. I used my QT when I was a kid on a vacation to Peru and Mexico. It was a great shooter. I wanted to use it again (20 years later!) as a very pocketable PS and alternative to my auto-everything and brick-like IQ120. Then I found out about how hard it is to get film... and then batteries I'm saving for a Minox B! Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Frank Theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi, Christian, I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on eBay (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...). I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a cassette in it (probably not). If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, lemme know where. I may need to exploit the same source. thanks, frank Skofteland, Christian wrote: I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past. I just need to get film for it which is a nightmare. Christian Skofteland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: This sudden change, whatever the rationale, is inexcusable. Yes, digital technology is advancing at a tremendous rate and the market for it isn't stable. But in October of 2001 they can't really expect me to believe that this is NEWS to them and that it's taken them by surprise. While I sympathize with you, Mark, I don't think I agree...if you're getting a complex cutting-edge electronic product from a subcontractor, and the subcontractor runs into unexpected problems and delays, what are you going to do? You can't very well will a product to market that you can't bring to market. Ah, you're assuming it's delays in availability of parts from the subcontractors driving this. I was assuming that they were telling the truth and had *decided* to halt or push back development of the digital SLR because the market's moving too fast. I believe you may be right. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital news
Yeah, they used to read the list then. They kicked us out because they were afraid that the things we were saying might be mistaken as official Pentax views. They probably didn't want to spend money in the courts, either, trying to defend the indefensible. Len --- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital news In a message dated 22/10/01 19:35:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? Can I place my order right now? As I recall, when the list was hosted by the Pentax site, someone from Pentax did keep an ear to the ground. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cheating
Hi, Aaron, Yeah, that's what it takes. Minolta used to sell it in cassettes that looked much like 110 cassettes. They stopped doing that about 10 years ago. So my problem won't be finding the rolled film, but a cassette (either with or without old film in it), so that I can load the cassettes myself. I've seen guys trying to sell loaded cassettes on eBay (obviously expired film) for around $25US plus shipping - and getting it. That's twice what I paid for the camera! Once I find a cassette, getting the film won't be a problem. Thanks anyway. regards, frank Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 04:55 PM, Frank Theriault wrote: I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on eBay (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...). I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a cassette in it (probably not). If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, lemme know where. I may need to exploit the same source. What kind of film does it take? Isn't it rolled 16mm? If it is, I can point you towards some Toronto sources of 25 and 100 foot rolls of bw. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Minolta 16
Here are sources for Minolta 16 film: A HREF=http://members.fortunecity.com/minivanman/min16film.html;Minolta 16 Film /AA HREF=http://www.subclub.org/;The Sub Club/A Regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Angle of View - William Robb
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:52:57 -0600, William Robb wrote: Bill, When I send email to you, it keeps getting bounced back or delayed. HAve any idea? Did you get me PUG submission? Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax digital direction
It'd depend upon alot of things for me... how much, how cheap, image quality, and when it looked like we could expect of full-frame camera (from any manufacturer). I cringe when I see other PJs at an event with their D30 and a 17-35 zoom... *shrugs* Nick -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax digital direction Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2001, 4:19 AM I think I'd buy one. Would anyone else? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!
Actually, I don't think I was misreading you at all. I use an LX as a primary camera and wanted an all mechanical (battery only needed for meter) second body. But DOF preview is important to me as is interchangeable focusing screens. If there is a K body that fits these requirements I'd like to know. I thought the MX was the only camera that fit the bill. I know the KX and KM have some features but do they accept motors/winders? I hope the MX I bought is not a total dog Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Skofteland, Christian wrote: Which K-series body provides a full mechanical shutter speed range (1sec - 1/1000 ) DOF preview, interchangeable focusing screens and a decent motor/winder? I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the MX is a bad camera, or that it isn't well-spec'ed. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use one, or that it doesn't have its good points. All I'm saying is that, based on the cameras I've seen, the MX doesn't hold up to heavy use as well as some Pentaxes, like the K-series bodies, do. I'm not trying to argue that the MX is a bad camera or that people should switch to the K bodies. Use what you like, and what works well for you. I'm sure some people have had the opposite experience from what mine has been, and that's prefectly valid. I just bought an MX on ebay for half of what I normally see them go for. I'll let you know how it is when i get it later this week. Hope it's a keeper! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Lucky, I think
A package arrived yesterday containing a Spotmatic Kit that I won on Ebay. One of the items was a 135 f2.5 SMC Takumar. There were 2 with that designation. The earliest was a 5 element in 4 groups and the other a 6 by 6. The 6 by 6 is the same as the famous K135 2.5. As luck would have it, I got the 6 by 6! I have the K and was able to make a comparison by counting reflections. The lens is mint along with the Super Takumar 200 f4, SMC 55 f1.8, Metz 30BCT4 ( with 3 auto settings plus manual ) and Spotmatic II body. The battery door was welded closed and I was able to soak it in WD40 and finally removed the old battery. I installed a new one and the meter worked. I checked out all the speed setting and the ASA resistor is perfect. The only blemish on the camera in on the mirror otherwise it looks new. Now I have 3 bodies, but most important I have a lens selection that can do justice to this Classic camera. Bob Rapp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
The Acer Scanwit ain't bad if you ensure the particular one you get does focus accurately (I had to return the first example I had). The included software (Mira, in Australia) is reasonably competent and fast, and the only problem scans I have had so far have been with very old and thin colour slides. The software attempted to correct the density and cocked it up completely. No problems installing and running, and it does both 24-bit and 36-bit colour density. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:41 PM, Doug Franklin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:49:30 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: SNIP PS. My latest field experience has pushed me over the edge. I'm going to get a film scanner and give up getting prints of my film. I've looked at the HP Photo Smart, the Canon CanoScan 2720, the Acer ScanWit 2700, and the Polaroid SprintScan 4000. With the rebate that Polaroid's running, they're about the same total cost. Can any of you give a thumbs up or down on any of these? Or others? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!)
Jim Apilado wrote: I now own - LX, SF1n, and PZ1-P. hi Jim, if you get a moment I would love to hear your thoughts on the SF1n vs. the PZ1-p as an owner of both. I have 2 SF1n's and keep wondering about swapping one out for a PZ1(p) and would value your thoughts on it. Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:18:49 -0700, tom wrote: I actually use Excel to create large numbers of near identical html pages. Once I have the formulas all sorted out I just fill in what specifics are required and run a macro. For your situation once you have the standard formulas you could create pages for different weddings quite easily. What I'd like to do, and my script is pretty close to doing, is read a directory of jpegs, create an index page of thumbnails, and an individual html page from a template for each one. Can excel do that? It can if you are good at writing formulas in Excel. My wife started it by using Excel to create the code for her webpages. I automated it by adding a macro that took the code and created the html files with the help of wordpad. If your pearl script is doing what you want (or nearly so) then stick to that. There are lots of ways of doing things in html, I wrote a page once that created it's own code for other pages using Java Script. It had problems with Netscape 6 so I scrapped it in favour of simple pages automatically created. I didn't think to see if a spreadsheet could solve my html problems...;) My wife is an Excel guru, she uses it for most of her work. The first time is what takes the time. If you set up some automation and get the scans right it should be quicker from now on. I think you're right, some automation will cut the time down a bit, but I'm still not satisfied with the scans. It seems to me you can develop your b+w and optimize for printing or scanning, but not both. Maybe I'll try a different labmaybe I just need someone with a scanner that can handle more contrast. I've seen lots of very bad BW scans. The scanners are optimised for colour. I normally just scan in 36 bit (Primefilm 1800u) and adjust levels in Photoshop. It comes out quite well. Autolevels in Photoshop sometimes get it right but not always so I just hand do all of my scans - it's like working in a darkroom, after a while you get quite quick at it. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Angle of View
Thanks for all the great answers to the question g. When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is the point from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the lens, front element? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
-Original Message- From: Juan J. Buhler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, John Francis wrote: Longer, effectively. The lens produces an image of exactly the same size, but only the central portion of that image falls on the digital sensor. The effect is exactly the same as taking the central portion of a 35mm negative and using that to produce a standard print. One interesting possibility would be to still have a full viewfinder, with framelines, so you can see outside of the frame, as in a rangefinder. Anyone know if this is the way the Canon and Nikon bodies are designed? j -- -- - Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com -- - - Juan, We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon. I will begin playing with them today. The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame recorded. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Well one problem is that, at least right now, a 6MP camera in a 35mm capable body will be perceived as a professional camera with all the pros and cons that means for the company bringing it out. Not to mention that the top of the market is going to be very fluid when it comes to pixel counts and features. And to be honest Pentax has aimed more for the top of the amateur or semi-pro market for several years because you have to provide logistic support for your cameras if you want to compete and sell at the top of the heap. By aiming a digital more at the PZ-1p/MX-S level you can produce a camera with the kind of advance features you want without having to get into the pixel count race and without having to provide professional services which you don't currently have. Minolta has found out the pitfalls of this when they brought out the Maxxum 9. They can't afford to have mobile support services like Canon and Nikon so they provide the kind of 2nd tier service that gets you fast turnaround when you have a problem. But that's it. Just remember that a digital body as an add-on to a 35mm system camera could get by with 3-4 MP easily at a price that would compete with cameras like the E-10 and Dimage 7. Frankly I'd take a 35mm lens capable body with 3.5 MP over a permanent lens camera with over 5 MP. In fact most of the higher end Minolta users feel the same way. We'd all like a camera with a full size CCD array but if it's going to cost $5K-$7k I'd take something less that fit my lenses in the 3-4 MP range. Doesn't seem to bother the Canon/Nikon guys because the important thing is you get to use the lenses you want. You'd have about the same pixel count as a D30 or D1, but you could make it in the price range of your target consumer, somewhere in the range of the MZ-S. In fact a 3 MP with interpolation to 6MP would be good, like the Fuji, while saving a significant cost over a full 6 MP camera. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Bruce wrote: My concern is if you are going to do no better than the competition, and they are more entrenched, how are you going to compete. The motto We're no worse than the rest comes to mind. Agreed. I guess all they want to do is have some offering, no matter what. A full frame CCD was, IMHO, one of the big differences between the Pentax and a D30 or D1. Pentax may be able to sell a lesser model to some of us, but it will *not* lure Canon and Nikon users away. You don't really gain any market share. At best, you may hang on to what you have. But it seems that you are sending the same old signal, we will not compete. Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. I think I understand that a perceived advantage to using a full frame CCD was that the CCD captures the entire scene entering the camera thru the lens. Is this correct? It seems to me that the real issue is, do I like the results I get... does the captured scene match my vision through the viewfinder. Does the frame size really matter that much? Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital news
On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 06:48 AM, lbparis wrote: Yeah, they used to read the list then. They kicked us out because they were afraid that the things we were saying might be mistaken as official Pentax views. I believe, at the time, we were also in the midst of a Kirkland/Mafud (or maybe it was Gregory/the who) flameup that had become pretty nasty. I don't blame 'em. I'm certain that certain Pentax people still monitor the list. Why wouldn't they? It's a free source of perfectly-targeted demographic research material. They'd be insane not to. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new 6x7! (questions)
Hey, congrats on the find, Chris! How much was it? I can't help with the leaf shutter, since I don't have one (but I do know that the body should be set to 1/8), but I can help on the auto/manual switch. It's spring loaded. On the 105, it slips over to manual and then a tap on the top will pop it back to auto. Maybe the mechanism that locks it in place has worn down? It should feel like a tab is slipping under something when you slide it all the way over to manual. For a big camera it seems very well balanced. I carried it over my shoulder for a while and never even noticed it. It's not as heavy as I expected it to be, but it's definitely got some heft to it. I think that the P67 has an unfair rep as being scarily heavy. It isn't THAT bad, really. I got one of them Optex neoprene springy straps, which really helped distribute the weight when over my shoulder. The strap included by Pentax is next to useless because it is so thin -- it feels like it is cutting into your skin. What's the 6x7 like to use? Any fun or interesting stories out there? It's great! It's just a big KX, after all. I have now had two different people approach me while I was shooting something in order to tell me that if I want to go anywhere I need a better camera (the one guy: Like one of them Hasselblads). The first one I didn't really know what to say -- I was at one of Vanessa's hockey games, and really, a Hasselblad would have been next to useless for hockey action shots. I mean, what's the advantage? The smaller negative? The more awkward (for sports) controls? That fella obviously had no idea what he was talking about. The more recent guy I challenged to a shoot-out. Much like the guy who came into my lab and dissed my A* 200mm f2.8 (My Nikkors will kick that thing's ass all over the place), he chickened. (The ass-kicking Nikkor guy even declined my $100 bet.) In the land of put up or shut up, they both picked shut up. I think that the old-school SLR look of the 67 lulls these gearheads into some kind of sense of false superiority. :) A more positive anecdote: Vanessa, my fiancee, was explaining to someone at her school what I do. He started asking about cameras, and at one point he said, You know, the camera I've always wanted is that 120 camera that looks like a great big SLR. Vanessa says, The Pentax 67! He says, Yeah, I love that thing! She tells him I have one, he asks if he can come over to see it. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 02:23 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: Can't say that I'm too fussed on the mechanical build and function of the SS4000, also the Polaroid software is just pathetic, I would really be looking at the new Nikons if I were you. Pssst want to buy a SS4000 cheap :-) I never had any issues with my SS4000...of course, I only used it for about a year before I took the plunge and bought an SS120. Yes, the Polacolor Insight software is clunky, and yes, sometimes the poor thing can't figure out what carrier you have loaded, but the SS4000 does make a great scan. Thank God the SS120 came with SilverFast, though. What are the resolutions and d-maxes of the others? 4000 dpi is a joy to work with, especially for bigger prints. By the way, if anyone in the Toronto/Oakville/Mississauga area wants to see what a 20x30 inch print from a 4000dpi scan (from the SprintScan 120) of a 6x7 Provia 100F transparency looks like, there's one up on the wall now at the store. The detail is just phenomenal...not that I needed the assurance, but this print shows me that I really did make the right decision when I bought this stuff. ;) When I think about it, the $4000 CDN that the SprintScan 120 cost was really a bargain compared to the estimated $10,000 CDN that the 6mp full-frame CCD Pentax digital would have cost. I can process a lot of film for $6000, and the final result, when printed big, is most certainly superior. By the way, anyone looking at an SS120, please note that if you have anything less than 500 megs of RAM, you'll scream and tear your hair out trying to manipulate a full-sized 48-bit scan (for reasons too complex to get into, I was down to 384 megs of RAM for about a week, and lemme tell you, it sucked. Good news is that RAM is cheap -- the computer store next door has 256 sticks for $55 CDN -- and now I'm running north of 700 megs, which is much nicer). -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Dear Mike, On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:37:11PM -0500, Mike Johnston wrote: P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a full-size sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm really not sure it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: it means lenses can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly faster, and depth of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All these are true advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we want this because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital shakes free of 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just one more natural advantage of digital. I am curious about your comment about increased DOF with a smaller format. I was always under the impression that we get more DOF with 35mm over MF because the typical print magnification is less. Am I missing something more subtle here? Yours sincrely, Frank. -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student. LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK. Tel: +44 131 6505185. Fax: +44 131 6677209. Office: 1603, JCMB, KB. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Geek shopping in Munich.
Fellow list members, I'm in Muenchen for at least the next two months. Any tips as to where to shop for gear (just for my weekly drooling session) and more realistically, where to buy E6 film and processing? If I am right, I should be able to get some pretty good deals on E6 (dias) with processing vouchers for about 2,- DM (without frames.) Yours faithfully, Frank. P.S. I don't like these German keyboards! When I visited TU Darmstadt, they gave us US keyboards. -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student. LFCS, Edinburgh. Visiting: TCS, Informatik, LMU-Muenchen, Deutschland. Tel: +49 89 2178 2120 Fax: +49 89 2178 2238 Office: D.11 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Here's a thought: surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be full frame is the distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP camera the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough... Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Ill-timed failures
A scroll of mail from David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:52:24 +1300 Read it? y I believe that MS pulled a fair bit of networking code off one of the free BSD variants for use in NT. They'd rip stuff off Linux as well but the GPL (license) won't let them, which is why they complain about it. They used a lot of the BSD code in the winsock. You can find it if you open ftp.exe in a text editor. There are strings saying copyright regents of the university of california. It's legal to do that with BSD code, however. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Manual vs. motor
-Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manual vs. motor On 22 Oct 2001, at 13:24, Mike Johnston wrote: We all have our preferences, and for some they are strong preferences (which is perfectly legitimate) but any photographer should be able to adapt to either manual film advance or motorized film advance. It just takes a while to get used to it. But we are capable of adapting. Motors are nice, I am a left eyed shooter, however there are still instances where motors are entirely inappropriate due to the cacophony that they produce. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - I am not familiar with models, but I have been around a few Canons that are pretty much silent in terms of winding. Until that point in time I was not aware that a camera sould be that quiet. Why are Pentaxes so much noisier? I have no problem with it, when I want quiet I grab another camera - my friend's wedding available light during the ceremony shots were taken with one of my LXs. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
Being monthly, all the news in it was out of date by up to 6 weeks God forbid anyone hears information that's six weeks old! At least, not until we have pliable, roll-up PDA's (stuffed in a pocket) that connect up wirelessly for email and net. Then the paper mags will have a real fright... How about a feature where a sentence can change as you read it - you don't want information that is as old as the length of time it takes to read sentence, do you? Rob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: photographic magazine.....
-Original Message- From: Paul Jones [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: photographic magazine. Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags. if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to www.crumpler.com.au - Original Message - From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: photographic magazine. Hi, I have a crumpler bag with a camera bag insert and its great. I have the Weenie bag which i'm selling as i'm going to change to the wonder weenie. Paul snip Interesting that this was brought up. While I was in Baltimore, Maryland in September I ended up getting two of their small pouches for a couple of my lenses. I believe they are the Minor and the Jacksie. The larger one can hold my 28 and 77. They work great and can be added onto a belt. I had never heard of them before. They looked durable. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Our Faces
I konw this subject pops up from time to time, but I want to say it again: Why we don't put together a page with recent portraits (or even better selfportraits) of we the members in order to have an idea of how we are, or at least how we look. I think it could be nice and fun Regards Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
MF print magnification is less than 35mm, so that cant be the reason... -Original Message- From: Francis Tang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 October 2001 14:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. Dear Mike, On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:37:11PM -0500, Mike Johnston wrote: P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a full-size sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm really not sure it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: it means lenses can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly faster, and depth of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All these are true advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we want this because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital shakes free of 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just one more natural advantage of digital. I am curious about your comment about increased DOF with a smaller format. I was always under the impression that we get more DOF with 35mm over MF because the typical print magnification is less. Am I missing something more subtle here? Yours sincrely, Frank. -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student. LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK. Tel: +44 131 6505185. Fax: +44 131 6677209. Office: 1603, JCMB, KB. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
I believe that (some of?)the Fuji cameras use a non-rectangular array of sensors (heaxagonal/honeycomb pattern maybe?). This requires them to re-map (interpolate) the data from the sensors to a rectangular pixel pattern. Eric From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:43:01 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp? Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints? Interpolation. The same low-budget method used by a flatbed scanner with 600 dpi optical resolution to get 9600 dpi resolution in software. It takes the 600 dpi image (or 3mp image) and figures out what ought to be between the large pixels it has to get the small pixels it wants. For example, say you're interpolating from 100 dpi to 200 dpi. That means that for each pixel you have, you need to create three more, for a total of four, because four 200 dpi pixels fit underneath each 100 dpi pixel. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Trouble is - you would lose either infinity focus or close focus, as your sensor is no longer mounted on the normal plane of focus. -Original Message- From: Mick Maguire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 October 2001 14:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Here's a thought: surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be full frame is the distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP camera the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough... Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
You have to remember that with the smaller CCD array you basically cut out any edge distortion the lens may have. This is a bonus especially with wide angle lenses. I think this was the reason Sigma brought out the 15-30 EX zoom. However the multiplication ratio of these cameras vary some because some ,like the Nikon D1 series, comes in bodies with 2 different arrays with different sizes and therefore different multiplication ratios. Most fall in the 1.2-1.5 range. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matamoros, Cesar A. Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:09 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one The 'magnification' factor is one of the reasons I have not truly looked at a digital SLR. I have started to enjoy wide angle shooting and would not relish having to get a 17mm to get a 25mm. And I have heard of the problems with distortion with the 17mms. People have corrected this with photo s/w but again something I do not relish doing. Another aspect of the 'magnification' factor is that with only the central part of the lens being used people have been finding they have to really watch the shutter speed as any motion is more noticeable since the image is enlarged more to get the same size image as with a non-digital SLR. Though people point out that you are using the 'sweet spot' of lenses if you are not using toward the edges. By the end of next month I should have the possibility to begin spending some time with a Nikon D1x and D1H here at work. I am still looking at Pentax since most of my lenses are in that system and I love the glass I have. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Currently, no SLR on the shelf from Nikon or Canon has a full frame CCD. Telephoto lenses are also multiplied. If you shoot lots of telephoto, this could be an advantage. The point I was making was that part of the reason to use Pentax is that I already have the lenses. But if the CCD isn't full frame, then I will have to do some changes on the wide end. If I am going to make changes, it gives me more reason to look seriously at the competition. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Do other quality digital cameras offer FF CCD that can be used with the lenses from their SLRs? What happens with a telephoto lens - is, for example, a 300mm lens longer or shorter when used with a less than FF CCD? Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp? Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints? Bruce Dayton wrote: The big advantage to a full frame CCD is that our existing wide angle lenses will remain as such. Nothing quite so exciting as having your 20mm behave like it was a 35mm. So, if I have to buy some new lenses (I like wides), then why buy Pentax. It seems to me, that lens compatibility with my *existing* lenses is a big reason to consider a digital Pentax. So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this arena coupled with me having to revamp part of my system. Sure pushes me to want to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a much faster rate. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
You know the real people who seem to be benefitting from this digital whatnot are Sigma. This is all due to the smaller sensors. Apparently none of the camera manufacturers make any money out of the bodies, but Sigma sell s**tloads of wide angle lenses now. I keep reading user reviews which say they couldnt afford the OEM version, but the Sigma is great. They dont have the development costs for doing anything digitalwise, they just make cheap wide angles and super wide angles which people need. The OEM versions are soo expensive that the manufacturers MUST be losing lens business as well as not making enough money on the bodies to cover the development costs. If pentax brings out a 'non-full-frame' digital SLR, how many people will be buying the Sigma 15mm, or the 17-35mm, or the 15.30mm? PEntax is either too expensive or they dont have a wide enough competitor, so they will lose lens sales. For this reason I think they should have waited until they could do full frame. I want an FA24/2, but I am not spending that much for what will be a 35mm equivalent!! Never mind the number of pixels (to a degree), BUT GIVE US FULL FRAME!!! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Server glitch:
My ISP was doing maintenance last night, for what seemed like forever. My apologies if it caused a bunch of bounced email messages. All is well now. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Funny OT: Canon ad
Nothing scream AMATEUR louder than ads like that. It is also on the outside back cover of Nov. Pop Photography. I would truly be embarrased if I were a Canon shooter. Obviously Pentax isn't the only one who can create sappy ads. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: Juan J. Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Funny OT: Canon ad Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American: Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera Just wanted to share... j -- -- - Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com -- - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
Who needs DOF, K,M, A lenses have easy to read scales. ; ). And one touch zooms have those crazy lines. Evan - Original Message - From: Skofteland, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules! but it doesn't have DOF preview!!! otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-) Christian Skofteland Bah, enough with all this MX nonsense, everyone knows the K1000 is the benevolent ruler of the Pentax world. Evan Whose K1000 has never failed once in 19 years of not so gentle use. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT:Good weekend it was sunny to
Had a very enjoyable weekend,last.I was invited by a stable in our zone to take portraits of the riders, after our banquet,with their ribbons,trophys horses etc. Took the D1 and computers and 2 helpers(wife/daughter).They had it well organized with a rider every 15 minutes or so and have a very nice front lawn for backgrounds(blue spruce and white birch trees) I thought at best to sell 1 pic per person with some buying a second for grama,but no.Everyone liked the pictures and wound up printing 90 for 25 riders.I stopped shooting at 4pm and finished the prints at home by 5pm the next day.Talk about mouse withdrawl. One thing i did learn was shooting this type of portrait you have to think and setup quickly as horse and rider move about quite rapidly and have your eye in the finder always or you'll miss some good shots. I quess the point of this is by using methods from lifes experiences and helpfull hints from the list members i had a great day and a great learning experience. Dave Ps sorry about the D1 but if Pentax made a slr digital, well. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Funny OT: Canon ad
Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American: Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens Yeah. Saw it. Just about the most offensive ad I've seen since the famous Nike You don't win the silver you lose the gold ad. Nothing screams TWIT like a person who buys expensive stuff so they can LOOK like a professional. I think Sigma's latest EX series lens offerings are scaring the sh*t out of a lot of camera manufacturers. Canon seems worried, anyway ;) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating
Hi Frank! It is a nice (but heavy) camera and the lens is very good. The electronics cannot be repaired but you can always find another one. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 22. lokakuuta 2001 23:32 Aihe: Re: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating Hi, Raimo, Yeah, I know you can pretty much figure out the shutter speed with the method you mention. Thats what I've been doing, and it works acceptably well for what I've been using the camera for. My point simply was that I would prefer a manual override, or at least some sort of indicator in the viewfinder or somewhere as to what the shutter speed is. No big deal, though. For what I paid for it, I am more than happy with the results I've been getting. As for the poor man's Leica thing, well, that wasn't from me. A lovely camera (for the price) it may be, but it ain't no Leica! I am a poor man though... :-) regards, frank Raimo Korhonen wrote: If you want a specific shutter speed it is not that difficult to get: overexposure is over 1/500 and shake warning is under 1/30 - so watch when one of those illuminates and adjust aperture the required number of stops. I tested one a couple of years back for the Finnish magazine and the lens is really good. But poor man´s Leica is the Canonet GIII. All the best! Raimo -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Funny OT: Canon ad
Juan J. Buhler wrote: Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American: Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera Same ad appears in current (November) Shutterbug. I assume it means that their lens sales are suffering from the interesting new offerings from third-party vendors. (E.g., Sigma 15-30, Tamron 24-135, Tokina 24-200, etc.) Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Funny OT: Canon ad
Obviously Canon is feeling the pressure from 3rd party lens sales. DG At 10:34 AM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: Full page ad in Nov. Scientific American: Nothing screams AMATEUR like a third party lens For best results, use a Canon lens on a Canon camera Just wanted to share... j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Ebay Offender list?
Just look at their feedback. If they have few and some are bad avoid them. If they have lots and a few are bad usually they are Ebay marketers and you can't please everybody. Meaning there are just as many if not more rotten buyers as sellers. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ebay Offender list? Is there a list of Ebayers that are known for shoddy deals? I'm new to this list and I'm looking manual K-mount lenses.I'd like to avoid those who wronged the listmembers in the past. thanks. -dy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Non-Pentax equipment
Don't start that again When I first joined the list a few months ago there was a lot of angry messages flying around about what is acceptable and what is not. Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive? When I unsubscribed a few months ago for my European vacation it was OK to use just about anything on non-themed months, although use of Pentax equipment was requested for the themed galleries. Now, however, I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment be used for every submission. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd,Palo Alto, CA 94304-1334 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Correct. The chip technology itself is always changing which generally requires totally different technology around it to make it work. For sharpness CCD chips are going from front illumination to rear illumination because it eliminates the illumination hardware in front of the CCD pixel which the light has to filter through. However rear illumination has its own physical difficulties because to reach the same light recording levels the separation of the light has to be as little as possible, meaning the CCD array needs to be only around 10 microns thick. The only upgrades I've seen for CCD hardware is in the design and manufacture of a new version of the same chip array with some new performance like increased sensitivity to various light levels and reduced noise. Like going from the regular to the Kodak E CCD chips. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. Frits wrote: If the one that we already saw is upgradable, would it be possible it would hit the market with a smaller CCD to begin with? That might be an interesting upgrade path. The possibility of an earlier camera being upgradeable is very close to zero. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF preview Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Evan Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Who needs DOF, K,M, A lenses have easy to read scales. ; ). And one touch zooms have those crazy lines. Evan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Our Faces
Sorry, left out the smiley...8-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Circular polarizer suggestions
Hi, the serious answer is this: Yes, you have to rotate it. It eliminates reflections, so the time to use it is when there are a lot of reflections around, eg sunlight on water, or reflections off glossy leaves. You can preview the effect by watching it through the viewfinder. The effect is greater the nearer you are to an angle of 35 degrees with the reflecting surface. It also darkens skies (by reducing the reflections off airborne vapour) so that clouds stand out, and it increases colour saturation. It reduces the light transmission to the film by about 1.3 stops, so your viewfinder will be a little darker than normal. I personally wouldn't use it in conjunction with a red filter, but then, I wouldn't use a red filter. You shouldn't use it all the time. Use it only when it gives you the effect you want. You can use use them anywhere on Earth. You don't have to be in the polar regions. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 6:37:03 PM, you wrote: I am using exclusively black and white film too. - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos. --- That was a plug'n'play answer, brought to you by Bobook of the North mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 6:00:36 PM, you wrote: Howdy all, I just got a new circular polarizing filter for my ZX7 and was wondering if there is anythign special I have to do to use it (rotating,etc) or is this just a plug and play filter. Should I use it all the time? Coupled with a red filter will it work any better or shoudl I just use one or the other? Thanks - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Funny OT: Canon ad
Funny, all the recent model Canons I've handled have felt flimsy and amateur to me. I like the AE1, but that's about it. The Eos series cameras feel and handle like toys. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Non-Pentax equipment
Perhaps angry s far to strong a word to describe the discussion at that time. Skofteland, Christian wrote: Don't start that again When I first joined the list a few months ago there was a lot of angry messages flying around about what is acceptable and what is not. From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive? [...] I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment be used for every submission. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Non-Pentax equipment
Which reminds me ... when did the PUG suddenly become so restrictive? When I unsubscribed a few months ago for my European vacation it was OK to use just about anything on non-themed months, although use of Pentax equipment was requested for the themed galleries. Now, however, I find wording that demands Pentax-compatible equipment be used for every submission. I have an idea everybody! Let's try to define what's Pentax equipment and what isn't! (John, if the archives are still there, look for a neverending series of threads along the lines of what is Pentax equipment, from about 3 moths ago or so) j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Our Faces
I never thought it in a PUG way. I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera was used, even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence. I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter :-P Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an autopug style of submitting. Just a guess AG - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Non-Pentax equipment
ok, how about heated? Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Perhaps angry s far to strong a word to describe the discussion at that time. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF preview I dunno, I've done ok without DOF. You can't miss what you've never had. ;) Not that I wouldn't like to have it, of course... --Amita - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 645 News
What Cotty didnt want to type: PENTAX TARGETS 'ADVANCED AMATEURS' WITH 645N II Ha! Sorry Rob, I was glancing through it really fast - didn't see that bit - honest. I don't get paid for taking stills (well hardy ever) so that makes me an amateur, but I don't call myself advanced - in fact I'm still learning (after 24 years...) so that 645 can't be aimed at me! Whew, that was close - I've just about broken the bank getting my LX, so that's saved 1/ relationship 2/ my sanity and 3/ I can stil buy some film.. I think I would only consider medium format for landscapes - and I must admit I was green with envy at a certain Australian's Mamiya 7 ll - who needs an SLR for landscapes, hell you don't really need a viewfinder! But I don't really do landscapes. People. And that's 35 mil all over it. Rambling, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
my weekend
I took my K1000 and my new (to me) Vivitar 75-205mm zoom out to an informal dog show/fundraiser run by a local animal shelter. This was my first real shoot with the zoom. It was great not having to juggle different lenses, and I took more chances pressing the shutter even when I wasn't sure all my settings were quite right, so I hope I got more keepers this time. One advantage of having old, rugged equipment was that I wasn't that worried when a couple of friendly doggies jumped on me and the camera. :) --Amita - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new 6x7! (questions)
Woo hoo! I managed to snag a Pentax 6x7 (w/ MLU) at a local flea market for a very reasonable price. C'mon Chris, don't keep us in suspense - what's a reasonable price Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:Good weekend it was sunny to
Had a very enjoyable weekend,last.I was invited by a stable in our zone to take portraits of the riders, after our banquet,with their ribbons,trophys horses etc. Took the D1 and computers [mr. snippy visits] I thought at best to sell 1 pic per person Dave, I hope you don't mind me asking - if I were sat on a horse and just had myself and beast shot by you, how much would I have to pay for a print? Ignore this if you'd rather not say. Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Also the focus ability of the lens depends on the registration distance to the film plane. All the lenses would no longer focus at the normal ranges. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mick Maguire Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Here's a thought: surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be full frame is the distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP camera the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough... Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Our Faces
looking through the archives, wasn't self portrait a PUG theme at one point? Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Our Faces I never thought it in a PUG way. I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera was used, even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence. I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter :-P Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an autopug style of submitting. Just a guess AG - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Non-Pentax equipment
No heated is too mild a word. --- Skofteland, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, how about heated? Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Perhaps angry s far to strong a word to describe the discussion at that time. - Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Our Faces
If anyone wants to see a picture of me, look here: http://www.picturesofmyfinger.com/aboutme.htm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
Minor point.If used ones up here did not cost what the K1000 did in 1997 when i bought mine,I'd own at least one more. Dave(K man )Brooks Begin Original Message but it doesn't have DOF preview!!! otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-) Christian Skofteland Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!
It just does, that's all there is to it! No Canon or Nikon even comes close. Ryan Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Our Faces
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never thought it in a PUG way. I mean I think any pic of you is valid, no matter what camera was used, even could be the horrible pic of your ID or driver's licence. I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter :-P Seriously, I think it could be fun and easy to do in an autopug style of submitting. Well, there's this: http://pug.komkon.org/00augu/index.html Is this being added to? I didn't think there were so many submissions... Also, Dan K. has a page somewhere. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Barbie (was: Bizarro PDML!)
dave o'brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For it to be a proper Barbie camera, all the large numbers should be repainted with 'Math is hard!' If we're going to go OT with Barbie jokes, here's my favorite: A rather inexperienced father is browsing the doll section of the toy store, searching for a doll for his daughter. Looking confused, and holding a doll in each hand, he accosts a saleswoman, asking: Excuse me; does Barbie come with Ken? She answers: No, honey, Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken. -tih -- Puritanism -- the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
Oh it is possible take good close ups with out DOF alright I'll crawl into the cave now :) --- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do! Try taking close-ups of bugs and flowers and such without DOF preview I dunno, I've done ok without DOF. You can't miss what you've never had. ;) Not that I wouldn't like to have it, of course... --Amita - Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
Yes, it does. Nick -- From: Skofteland, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules! Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2001, 12:19 PM but it doesn't have DOF preview!!! otherwise I'd own 3 or 4! :-) Christian Skofteland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Non-Pentax equipment
Are you looking for adjectives to describe that discussion? What a slippery slope we would descend to go there again. Let's just one side won and one side lost. It was a very polarizing, dividing discussion, with two pretty much mutually exclusive groups. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Skofteland, Christian Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:56 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Non-Pentax equipment ok, how about heated? Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Perhaps angry s far to strong a word to describe the discussion at that time. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Our Faces
I thought about it to know more about each other, to see how old are us, if we look friendly or in example, if Shel looks like Hannibal Lecter :-P Judging from the last Self-Portrait PUG, I would have said Francis Ford Coppola. ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax digital direction
Clive Williams writes: So I have a suggestion. Assuming for the moment that Pentax does decide to take the smaller-CCD route and make something like the D30, how about adding a couple of 'digital-only' wideangles - say 12mm and 16mm? These could be made more cheaply than lenses that have to cover the full 36x24mm, and could have an extra prong on the mount to keep them from being inadvertently attached to a film body. I think I'd buy one. Would anyone else? I suppose some extra piece of glass that shrinks the 36x24mm coverage from a lens down to the size of the CCD is not possible? Sort of like the opposite of a teleconverter. Build it into the camera body itself and suddenly everybody gets happy -- the engineers can use a smaller CCD, the wideangle lens junkies still get their wide angle views, the cost-conscious consumers don't have to pay $$$ for the 36x24mm sensor and the advanced amateurs can still use all their beloved K-mount lenses. Must be some sort of catch though, cause it seems such an obvious solution yet nobody seems to be doing it. later, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax teleconverters
I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the differences are. Which one is best suited for the SMC-A 400mm f/5.6? Thanks in advance. Frits Wüthrich - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax digital direction
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Thoughts on Mike J.'s comments on possible future digital SLRs] Illuminating as ever, Mike, and the point that there is no law of nature that favours a 36x24mm frame is a fair one. However, if Pentax is to move to a smaller-frame digital SLR, while still maintaining compatibility with the lenses we all value so highly, there's some work to do in the area of wideangles. Well, this would break compatibility with film cameras, but how about making lenses that are optimized for the smaller CCDs? They wouldn't have to have as big a coverage, and you'd get heavy vignetting if you used them on a K-mount film camera, but they'd probably be compact and high quality... j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Funny OT: Canon ad
Gee, and all this time I thought poorly focused, poorly composed, poorly lit pictures screamed amateur! If I had only known!! Dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:Good weekend it was sunny to
Cotty.I assume you meant the D1 not 30-06 (ha ha) The price for these in our area run from $20.00 to $25.00 Canadian for a 8x10.I charge $20.00, plus air fare to your neck of the woods(hills) Thanks Dave, That's really very reasonable. I work out 25 Can bucks to be about 11 GBP. I've just done a shoot on a tv set (news titles being shot with presenters sat round a big table looking like they know what they're doing etc while camera flies past on a crane etc) and am charging 10 quid each. There are 20 shots to choose from. I think I want to come over to Canada and shoot horses if you sold 90 prints in an afternoon! Nice one mate. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote: We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon. I will begin playing with them today. The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame recorded. Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then... j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Good Job
I just want to say how much I like Coming... By Edward Kreis in this month's PUG. The colors, the light posts, the shore and the sky REALLY nice shot. Cory Waters who did NOT send that binocular question more than once, really PS I REALLY like this picture. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax teleconverters
I have an A 400 f:5.6 and I use the 1.4X-L. It has a snout on the end that fits into the recess at the back of the lens. It is my understanding that there are less vignetting problems with it. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Frits J. Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Pentax teleconverters I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the differences are. Which one is best suited for the SMC-A 400mm f/5.6? Thanks in advance. Frits Wüthrich - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
You forgot the small matter of focus. :) --graywolf - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one Here's a thought: surely the only reason that the 3MP camera would not be full frame is the distance of the sensor array from the lens. If when designing the 3MP camera the array were place closer to the lens then surely full frame would be achieved. Wouldn't this solve the lens issue, (if not the resolution). I accept that this could mean major design issues such as mirror positioning and a different distance to the focusing screen, but if you are designing the camera from scratch, this may not be such a problem. As I said just a thought and perhaps I haven't thought it through enough... Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Leica
Hi, it should take ordinary 35mm film. There should be an empty take-up spool which comes out. You thread the film leader into the take-up spool, drop it all back into the camera, put the bottom on and start photographing. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 10:49:33 PM, you wrote: A colleague bought a Leica copy: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1282762104 I have seen the camera and was impressed, but wondered as well about the film. The bottom can be removed, and something that might look like a 35mm film canister can be placed, but I wonder if there was a take up spool to be used. The film had to be dropped in from the bottom. Anybody any guess on what kind of film that was? Frits Wüthrich - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Funny OT: Canon ad
Hi, no - that's Artist... --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 11:15:53 PM, you wrote: Gee, and all this time I thought poorly focused, poorly composed, poorly lit pictures screamed amateur! If I had only known!! Dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
BW Scanning
Well, I just scanned a couple of rolls of Kodak Black + White chromogenic film and then a roll of TMax. First glance, the chromogenic scans ok, but the TMax scans extremely grainy. The lab prints of both look about the same as far as grain is concernced but my scanner (Minolta Scan Dual II) seems to do much better with the chromogenic. Has anyone else seen the same thing, or perhaps getting the right settings is in order. I used Hamrick's Vuescan software. Bruce Dayton - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 645 News
On 23 Oct 2001, at 20:03, Cotty wrote: But I don't really do landscapes. People. And that's 35 mil all over it. Rambling, Cotty I dunno, I LOVE shooting people in 6 x 7. Since I got my 67II, I almost don't like using 35mm anymore. Formal portraits, casual portraits, kids portraits, are S much better handled by the 6x7 negative, what happens when that child's parents want an 11 x 14 of their kid? The advantage over 35mm becomes clear pretty soon. Landscapes? Night shots? anything where you have time to compose and consider your exposure? The bigger neg wins out everytime. Where the 35mm rules is getting those fast moving subjects like hyperactive kids at play or actors on stage... 35mm works well for actors headshots and newspaper style promos that won't see over 8 x 10. Also when out with a tripod and the 600mm shooting birds or that grizzly bear with cubs Cheerz! Brian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Circular polarizer suggestions
But whatever you do, don't, don't, for God's sake DON'T use it while on the Equator, or it will destroy the space-time continuum as we know it... Hi, I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos. --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Juan J. Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote: We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon. I will begin playing with them today. The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame recorded. Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then... No, I think perhaps you're confusing image coverage with image magnification. 96% coverage (which is what's being discussed here) just means that 4% of what's recorded by the CCD will be cropped from the view in the viewfinder. The remaining 96% can be *magnified* (or reduced or presented life size). -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fast 35mm Lenses
35mm is my favorite focal length for general photography. I like the perspective better than a Normal lens. I also like the speed of an f2 version, as it allows me to shoot in many of the spots walking around lands me in. I currently have the A version of the 35mm f2, which I got at a very good price. I'm VERY disappointed in it's performance, as evidenced by a series of shots I recently took of some old buildings with very weathered wood. The grain in the wood simply is not sharp. It was shot with XP-2 rated at 400 in daylight, so the lens was well stopped down, probably in the f8-f16 range. I was using a Super Program, motordriven, on a monopod. Likely shutter speeds in the 1/60-1/250 range. Maybe mine is a bad sample, but I am thinking of spending the money to get the new AF version, which has gotten good reviews here on the list from people whose opinions I always respect. My question for the list, is whether anyone has ever compared the M/A' versions with the AF one. I'm not interested in the f3.5 version, which is considered quite sharp, and I do prefer autofocus because of my deteriorating-with-age eyesight. Is the new lens appreciably superior to the older model? $300 worth? Thanks to all who take the time to reply. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Funny OT: Canon ad
Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I AM an amateur... Maybe, but you're saying it quietly and with dignity, not screaming it. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax digital direction
Juan J. Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Thoughts on Mike J.'s comments on possible future digital SLRs] Illuminating as ever, Mike, and the point that there is no law of nature that favours a 36x24mm frame is a fair one. However, if Pentax is to move to a smaller-frame digital SLR, while still maintaining compatibility with the lenses we all value so highly, there's some work to do in the area of wideangles. Well, this would break compatibility with film cameras, but how about making lenses that are optimized for the smaller CCDs? They wouldn't have to have as big a coverage, and you'd get heavy vignetting if you used them on a K-mount film camera, but they'd probably be compact and high quality... ...and those who shoot film and digital would have to have two sets of lenses instead of one. And *carry* both sets whenever we're out shooting both film and digital. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The REAL reason the Pentax K1000 rules!
Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah, yourself! K1000's are just Spotmatics with no dof and lots of plastic parts. Plastic parts on a K1000? Not on the early ones. (OK, now lets get the early K1000 owners fighting with the late K1000 owners!) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Circular polarizer suggestions
And definitely don't use it for portraits. Makes everyone look like Lech Walesa. But whatever you do, don't, don't, for God's sake DON'T use it while on the Equator, or it will destroy the space-time continuum as we know it... I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Circular polarizers are specifically designed only to be used above the Arctic circle, or below the Antarctic circle. If you're shooting penguins in black white (and why woudn't you?) the use of one of these filters increases the contrast, particularly on King Penguins. If you use it in conjunction with a red filter then you'll get pictures of flamingos. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Stereo Adaptor
I have one which I rarely use nowaday. There are indeed two parts, one is the viewer. You have to work on slidefilm (chromes). You have to screw the camera part in front of the lens, like a filter. The part is intended to be used with a 50 or 55 mm standardlens. You get to vertical oriented pictures on a 24x36mm slide which can be viewed with the viewer. The 3D effect can be very nice on some pictures. - Original Message - From: Gary J Sibio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Stereo Adaptor Has anyone ever used the stereo adaptor that Pentax used to market? (I'm assuming they no longer do so.) I know it had two parts to it: one that went on front of the lens and the other that was used for viewing the image. How did it work? Gary J. Sibio - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
