Pentax lens on Gold Coast - FWIW
(this may be of interest to those in Oz, maybe not) I dropped by Ted's in Southport today to ask if they'd heard anything about Kodak dropping T400. They hadn't. I noticed they had some 2nd hand lenses and asked if any were K mount. There was an SMC Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 lens which they wanted AUD$120 for. I considered it briefly but I don't think I'd see much advantage in it over my existing Makinon 28mm prime (but I could be very wrong!). I'd rather get some other prime at a focal length I don't already have. (but please let me know if the 2.8 is a particularly good lens ;) Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
Mafud wrote: > Mike, what would you have done (or do) if you were Gates? I would have been Jobs. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Oopsie
Bill O. wrote: > Sounds like a rant subject for an upcoming "37th Frame" :-) I apologize for that post. It was intemperate, not to mention the fact that it's really stupid to do ANYTHING that might start a pro- and anti-Microsoft flame war. I'll have to shorten my own leash. --Contrite Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
I wrote that, but since you've taken it out of context - as a retort to a comment about running out of film - you've lost both the immediacy and the humor of the remark. My point was that we won't run out of film, just as we won't run out of pixels - or will we? I heard some very interesting news today. It seems that the Israelis have produced a very simple and basic computer which runs on human DNA. While the computer is in the very early stages of development, it was able to perform some calculations, just what i don't know. It is said that in a decade or so this concept may be ready for prime time. What does this mean to computer users and users of digital cameras? maybe nothing, or, perhaps it's a signal that these darling digitals are already on the road to obsolecense. The benefits of a DNA computer, as described in the report I heard, is that they are smaller, faster, more energy efficient, and have the potential to handle a lit more information. This is the reality as presented on the news report. Now here's the fantasy: we are able to use these DNA-based computers in a much more immediate fashion, perhaps by tying them into our own minds or sensors (eyes, ears, fingers, etc.) And now we return to our regular programming, and I'm heading back to the darkroom. Mike Johnston wrote: > > > Yeah, but in 30 years, when there are no more pixels, what'll we do? > > We're using pixels at an alarming rate! At some point we'll run out. > > Aha! You see, there's the film mentality for ya. I know whoever wrote this > was joking, but the joke is revealing. We've always had to worry about > running out of film. Film is finite. In actual point of fact, we will never, > of course, run out of pixels. That fact does take a little getting used to. > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Tom R. wrote: > I would guess your figures are skewed every bit as much as your arguments. Come on, Tom, let's stay gentlemanly here. That's a pretty insulting thing to say. Actually, the figures I gave are exactly what I pay, and I even named exactly what I buy so you can check them for yourself. I even added shipping charges, for heaven's sake. I used B&H price for Epson Matte Heavyweight (latest price, looked up, not just remembered), I do get printer cartridges for $8.93 each--go check techstore.com--and my printing yield was conservatively estimated and rounded down. I can show you the receipts for my camera and printer if you want to see them. I've been doing conventional photography for 35 years, professionally (in one way or another) for 16 years. I know what it costs. And having run my own photo business and struggled through hard times, I know how to account for operating costs, to the dime. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Hello All. Maybe my last words on digitals: A. Low-Megapixel digitals works for snapshots, eBay and web viewing. B. On camera digital flash sux. C. Digital SLRs come very close to being as useful as film cameras (any, including one-use). D. Digital will replace (by driving out) Polaroid. E. Medium format digital is alive and well in product (still life) shooting. F. Mafud has a digital camera, using it mainly to make images for item "A" above. G. Digital will have fully arrived when someone makes a digital rangefinder camera. H. A real digital camera will have a TTL flash hot shoe. **Speaking of flash: digital does a horrid job of utilizing flash. Unless the flash is totally controlled by the camera, digital flash (any) is weird, with little or no ambient exposure, even in daylight. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
> Yeah, but in 30 years, when there are no more pixels, what'll we do? > We're using pixels at an alarming rate! At some point we'll run out. Aha! You see, there's the film mentality for ya. I know whoever wrote this was joking, but the joke is revealing. We've always had to worry about running out of film. Film is finite. In actual point of fact, we will never, of course, run out of pixels. That fact does take a little getting used to. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Graywolf growled: > Everybody who thinks that Mike's outfit below will match my outfit in > photographic capability raise your hand. Funny--but you were specifically talking about Wal-Mart 4x6s. My digital camera makes prints that compare favorably to those, especially since I'm a better printer than any machine. No, a p/s, digital or film, does not compare with an SLR. And yes, digital SLRs cost much more than film equivalents (although there is no digital SLR equivalent of an ME Super). --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Apo is as Apo does
Shel wrote: > Now this I'd like to hear more about. Can you elaborate on this point, > specifically, how do manufacturers get away with labeling a lens as > Apochromatic when it isn't? Is the term "APO" used to imply that a lens > is apochromatic, when, in fact, it's just a model name given to the > lens? Which lenses that are designated as "APO" lenses are not, in > fact, apochromatic? Which are? Just a few examples would be > appreciated. > > Would a lens have to be designated as "apochromatic" to be apochromatic, > as opposed to being labeled as "APO", which may not be apochromatic? Taking your last question first, APO = apochromatic. An apochromat is a lens that images three spectral regions at identical size. Early lenses could be corrected for blue light only, because early emulsions were blue-sensitive. For a number of years lenses were corrected for two colors letting the third fall where it must. This was especially a problem with telephotos, as errors were amplified. With the introduction of Fluorite, ED, and partial anomalous dispersion elements, teles could be corrected much better for three colors, bringing correction of the tertiary spectrum to a tiny fraction of what was once accepted. As soon as these glass types came into use, telephoto lenses got markedly better quickly. In practical terms, determining whether a lens is apochromatically corrected or not is a little like claiming that a person is six feet tall exactly. That might be true to a tolerance of a quarter inch; or even a millimeter; but can it be said to be true to a tolerance of 1/10,000th of a millimeter? Obviously not. Same way with the "same size" images in three colors. You have to determine the tolerance you'll accept. So what if you reduce the red error to 1/100th of what it was in an achromat, but it still has five times the error compared to the blue? In practical terms, lensmaking companies all set their own standards for what constitutes apo correction. Since many photographers have a vivid memory of the time when apochromatic correction from the use of extra-low dispersion glass radically improved long teles, "apo" has become a hallowed sales buzzword. In the early days it only meant that the designer attempted to correct for the tertiary spectrum, not that he actually succeeded. So some companies slap the word on virtually any lens they think is any good. Other companies set much more stringent standards for themselves. When Leica puts the term "apo" on a lens, you can bet it's very well corrected well into the red, 900nm or more probably. Zeiss is also very strict about the term. Pentax doesn¹t even bother to use these buzzwords even when it can: several of its lenses are asphericals and several use ultra-low dispersion glass and could quite justifiably be labeled as apos, but aren't. So it's usually not a question of "is it apo or not," but of "how apo is it?" The only lenses that meet the true definition, usually, are process lenses for repro work, and maybe a select few enlarging lenses. I'm pretty sure my $3,000 Carl Zeiss S-Orthoplanar is a true Apochromat. The Apo-El-Nikkor enlarging lenses made in the 1970s were. Are any camera lenses? A few can legitimately claim the designation. Most are simply called apo to make them sell better. Man, it's late, and all this is right off the top of my head, stream of consciousness. I need to start writing "FAQ sheets" for my newsletter and really do a thorough job explaining things like this. Then I would have to dive in and do it again fresh each time someone asks. Hope this helps. Sorry if it's semi-incoherent. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 11:21:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Seriously, the whole point, originally, was that depreciation doesn't > matter. Costs and depreciation only matter when you have to replace an object. If what you're saying is that ~until~ you replace the object you have no costs, you're correct. But we all know if you buy one of an object, (in this instance, a camera-printer-computer), and use it, you ~will~ replace it. For business purposes then, we are allowed, (not really "allowed": by law, we business owners ~MUST~ depreciate our property) to depreciate any property used in the business, including wear and tear on your building-etc. If you do a thing, business or hobby, and use equipment to do this thing, the equipment must be replaced: costs, plain and simple. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
On 21 Nov 2001, at 23:46, Mike Johnston wrote: > Digital is coming to your lives as photographers, just as it came to mine > (whether we also stick with film or not). The only difference between any of us > is WHEN we jump in. I jumped a little later than a lot of people, and a little > earlier than you guys. It fit my needs to get into it when I did; doesn't fit > your needs now. > > But it will. MJ et. al, I have had a few extended stints with digital cameras, Agfa 1.3MP, Sony 3.6MP, Ricoh 3MP and Canon 2MP, I shot them where ever I went until the batteries were exhausted or the memory card was full, whichever came first (often the batteries died first). I found it very easy to cull the garbage however in all cases if I actually ended up with a great shot out I found myself wishing that the image was on film. I have yet to use a good 4+MP camera but I expect that I will still feel the same until digital far supersedes film not just WRT the raw number of pixels but in noise, dynamics, effective film speed and shutter lag performance. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What exactly is 'second curtai n' sync?
Rob Brigham writes: > TTL extinguishes the flash when the required amount of light has entered > the lens. Thus the duration of the flash cannot be known in advance. It is known to a certain extent, and it is definitely known to be much faster than the shutter speed. I have a Sunpak brochure here, and one of their big potato-mashers is 1/400th at full power and 1/30,000th at minimum output. Not sure about the big studio strobes though. Their light might last longer due to the greater energy output. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pancake lens
Hi all, I had a look at an example of the famous pancake lens this evening. I have no idea why people pay so much for those things, but I can see how they'd be useful on an ME Super. That'd be almost as small as a rangefinder :) I'll stick with my 43mm Limited... Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Mike ... If you mean using digital cameras, well, I'm not particularly interested at this point. Digital cameras don't work properly for much of my photography. However, I do scan some of my work and put it up for all to see, and it's quite possible that, given a good photograph and a good negative and a good scan, I may have a digital print made. Actually, I intend to do just that, and have already contacted a couple of places to get an idea of what's required for a high end print. Also, although it's a cheap one, I've been using a digital camera longer than it seems you have, albeit for entirely different purposes. Mike Johnston wrote: > But while we're on the subject of changing viewpoints, I think what you (and > Shel and Mafud and Christian etc.) are forgetting is that I was just like > you a year ago. I was saying all the same things, making all the same > arguments. > > Digital is coming to your lives as photographers, just as it came to mine > (whether we also stick with film or not). The only difference between any of > us is WHEN we jump in. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Jobo service manuals
Hi Team, Does anyone have a clue how I might obtain a copy of the service manual for a Jobo ATL1 automatic processor? I have tried my local distributors but they "do not supply service manuals". Some time ago I bought some parts from Jobo USA direct, included in the order was this particular manual, instead I ended up with the users manual. Anyone have direct contacts or other suggestions? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S and MZ5 - real workhorses?
Hi Guys: I got asked last week to take the pictures at a local community organization's annual award ceremony: the event was last night. Bearing in mind all the good advice read recently about checking one's gear and having backups, I set myself down yesterday and put together the following kit to cover the event: Bodies - MZ-S and ZX-5 Lens- FA28-105, M28/2.8, M200/4, Samsung 35-135, Sigma 18-35 Flash - AF330FTZ, AF160 Tripod, spare batteries(12 x AA, 2 x CR2), cable release, 8 rolls Supra 400/36. I knew the event would take place from 4:30 in the afternoon, about 20 awards would be presented, and a Senator would be making the presentations, together with an MC from the organization. The event coverage would have to include the arrival of various luminaries, the presentations, and then a 'Fire ceremony' afterwards. This ceremony acknowledges the traditional owners of our area, who would also be receiving some of the awards. I have to report that not one piece of my gear let me down at all! I used the MZ-S and the Sigma to cover arrivals, as the entrance was a very confined space and I would need to rely on AF as people moved through it. The presentations were made in a long narrow room, and in order not to get in the way I would have to shoot from the side, about 4-5 metres from the participants. I found to get good half-length shots I needed the longer zoom, so I used the Samsung almost exclusively, swapping it from body to body (along with the AF33FTZ) as I ran out of film. I had the films (four altogether) developed and 6x4's made at a Fuji Frontier lab this morning. There were only two technically unacceptable frames, out of 144! One was obviously shot before the flash had fully recharged, so was under-exposed - this is where the 2.5 fps rate of the MZ-S shows it's practicality, as it had actually beaten the flash to the punch: a faster frame rate still would probably have given more failures. The other problem frame was one where flare from the low, and _very_, bright sun had dazzled the Sigma. I had the flash set to second-curtain sync, and there was no noticeable after-image, as suggested in recent discussions. The MZ-S is still on it's first set of batteries, although I have not yet put all that many films through it in the two months I have had it. I was well pleased with the results, except for the two noted all of the shots were sharp and well-lit. It was nice too that the senator, obviously a media pro, made life easier for me by turning towards the camera at each presentation, holding onto the framed certificate so that the awardee had to turn too, and I could get good front-on shots of the two of them both holding the award! I used the Sigma to get a crowd shot, and it easily covered the room with about 100+ people in it, anbd not terribly bad distortion of those at the edges. All in all, a very satisfying job, and a couple of people noticed the MZ-S, so I've done my bit to pump Pentax too! John Coyle (feeling pretty good about having been enabled so much this year) Brisbane, Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Tom R. wrote: > Let's see? From my view point you are trying to sell me an idea. Someone who > is trying to sell me something is a salesman. I think that's nonsense. Are you paying me anything? No. Do I care if you accept my views as your own? Not in the slightest. In fact, I don't expect you to, and I'd be rather disappointed in you if you did. When we talk here in the public forum we're talking to everybody who reads it, not just to the person we're addressing or responding to. You may pay me if you want to, of course. But while we're on the subject of changing viewpoints, I think what you (and Shel and Mafud and Christian etc.) are forgetting is that I was just like you a year ago. I was saying all the same things, making all the same arguments. Digital is coming to your lives as photographers, just as it came to mine (whether we also stick with film or not). The only difference between any of us is WHEN we jump in. I jumped a little later than a lot of people, and a little earlier than you guys. It fit my needs to get into it when I did; doesn't fit your needs now. But it will. Cheers, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: AF280T questions
On 21 Nov 2001, at 19:41, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: > btw > - what's the TTL off camera cord gizmo for a 280T/SuperProgram? > I've finally got myself one and should keep an eye out for that > cord gizmo - anyone got a spare laying about? Hi Bill, To get the 280 off the hot shoe you need the Pentax 4P Sync Cord B and Hot Shoe Grip. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: what are the epson tanks?
David B. wrote: > the Canon tanks are: > black > yellow > cyan > meganta > photo cyan > and > photo magenta > usual cost for all+- $150 Can Hmm, there goes that Canadian dollar again :- ) I paid US $53.58 plus shipping for a full set of BCE-6 inks (for the Canon S800) at techstore.com. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-10
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, William Robb wrote: > Thats all it does. But worse. It actually masks the film, whereas with > APS, we mask the print. There's actually no need to use the pano switch, except as a viewfinder preview to see what's covered and what's not. Labs should be able to make a pano print from the central part of any 35mm neg, whether it has black bars or not, AFAIK. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Coffee and brats, anyone?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, frank theriault wrote: > Chris Brogden wrote: > > > Oh, I *like* it runny. > > I'm afraid it's VERY runny, sir. Oops, the cat ate it... > > (okay, that's my last Monty Python reference for a while, I promise!) What?! But that was never five minutes just now! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: You get what you pay for - (reels)
Delano M. wrote: > Well, I finally went out and shelled out $21 for a Hewes developing reel - > about $10 more than the ones I previously purchased. All I can say is "WOW" > what a difference! Rolling the film on there the first time was like > "buttah". Every neg came out and I am extremely pleased. > > Thanks again to all who responded to my inquiry a few weeks ago. I find > myself just wanting to shoot more and more B&W now knowing that I won't be > struggling in the dark to load the reels and especially knowing I won't be > losing any frames! Very pleased to hear this. Now cheap digicams may not, but those reels really *WILL* last a lifetime, literally, so take good care of them. Good going Delano-- --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-10
- Original Message - From: "Wendy Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: ZX-10 > Dear All, > > Can anyone tell me if the panoramic switch on the ZX-10 does anything > except mask off the top & bottom of the negative (a la APS). It doesn't do > real panoramic photos does it? Thats all it does. But worse. It actually masks the film, whereas with APS, we mask the print. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Mafud wrote: >And your "free" set-up depreciates Seriously, the whole point, originally, was that depreciation doesn't matter. To simplify the original argument: Say you buy a film camera for $700 and pay ongoing film and development costs of $350 per year. You also have printing costs of $400 per year. I buy a digital camera for $700. I pay zero for film and processing, and I spend $400 on printing costs per year. My point is, after two years, my camera has paid for itself. Cost $700, saved $700. No depreciation after that! And after that, I start saving money. Your camera may still be worth $700, but you continue to pay the tariff of film and processing costs. Of course, the numbers are very variable, depending on individual circumstance. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FS 15 3.5 and others
If your 400/5.6 has a manual diaphragm, it's probably an SMC Pentax (K series). I believe the M has an automatic diaphragm. Paul Martin Trucco wrote: > > SMC Pentax 15 3.5 > Rectilinear lens (this is NOT a fisheye). See it at: > www.martintrucco.com.ar/15A.jpg > www.martintrucco.com.ar/15B.jpg > USD 750.- Shipping overseas included. > > Pentax-A 28 2.8 > Pentax-M 50 1.4 > Pentax-M 100 2.8 > USD 300.- for the three of them. Shipping overseas included. > > Pentax-M 400 5.6 (manual diaphragm). Excellent optical quality. Tripod > collar included. Very good shape. See it at: > www.martintrucco.com.ar/400A.jpg > www.martintrucco.com.ar/400B.jpg > > Pentax-A Sigma 24 2.8 > Pentax screwmount M42 60 2.8 Macro 1:1 (Mamiya). This is a 1:1 macro on its > own, no extension needed. > > Martin > www.martintrucco.com.ar > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-10
just masks the viewfinder. - Original Message - From: "Wendy Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: ZX-10 > Dear All, > > Can anyone tell me if the panoramic switch on the ZX-10 does anything > except mask off the top & bottom of the negative (a la APS). It doesn't do > real panoramic photos does it? > > tvm > Wendy > > --- > Wendy & Paul Beard > Ottawa, Canada > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Specifically with automobiles, they have prospered because of having > > superior products, That was once the case. Now, as in most things, there's parity in automotive technology and quality. Look at the recent JD Power surveys of initial quality and long-term quality. Three of the top five are US products. And computer simulations have made technology a mute point. Aside from a minor breakthrough here and there, it's all the same. But it's still politically correct to drive an import in many parts of the US. We like to cut our own throats. It's a popular American sport. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
ZX-10
Dear All, Can anyone tell me if the panoramic switch on the ZX-10 does anything except mask off the top & bottom of the negative (a la APS). It doesn't do real panoramic photos does it? tvm Wendy --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pixel Reserves
Shel wrote: > Yeah, but in 30 years, when there are no more pixels, what'll we do? > We're using pixels at an alarming rate! At some point we'll run out. not to worry, Shelthey just discovered a huge reserve of pure pixels under Greenland - enuf to last for eternity and they'll be "too cheap to meter" once the technology bugs get worked out regarding getting them to the surface. ... it's my Friday !8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: TTL multiflash with METZ
- Original Message - From: Frantisek Vlcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: Re: TTL multiflash with METZ >- like the old time photographers with head under the >largeformat focusing hood of their 5x7" or larger camera, holding >with one hand above the camera a bracket with flashpowder... Smile! I have seen pictures depicting this. But since there is no way you can see through a view camera once the film holder is inserted, it is not very realistic. --graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Mafud wrote: > As to long lived production: can we say "Brownie"? :^) I last used my Brownie just back in '89 -- had four shots run in the local paper along w/ a few from a Canonet GIII of our band for an upcoming gala (this from pre-SLR days of folders & rangfinders) must say, those Brownie pics looked damn good in print! Never have felt like re-rolling to the 620 reels, though. ... especially w/ several 120 oldies laying about. Besides the Bessa II & the Yaschica A, a friend just gave me an old Agfa Isolette the other day. My two Speedex B2's have seen better days, but it may be time to pop some E6 into the Isolette if the sun comes back in the near future ;^) - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Is PUG down, or is it me?
I have it coming in, but it is slow tonight. I have an email in with Igor. I am sure it is a short term situation. William Robb PUG Gallery Maintainer - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: Is PUG down, or is it me? > Damn! I was finally gonna get to doing my critiques tonight - the > Tragically Hip is on the stereo real loud, and I got a cigarette going - > and I can't get into PUG. Anyone else having the same problem (with > PUG, not with smoking or listening to great Canadian rock bands), or is > it just me? > > regards, > frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why Fuji Blue Max is evil?
Aaron, on Fuji pricing, gasps : > > Where? Sheesh, they cost us $11.25 wholesale. Mafud replies ... > Four packs (three plus one free) cost $9US any Walmart. See! Even w/ the US/Canandian exchange rate Fuji is "dumping" to the US market somewhat. Surprize, Surprize!! Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Yep! --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > Is this the same vaporware that's been around for several years? > > Bill, KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > > > > Just an addition to this thread is the e-film technology. > > In short, (e)-film is a roll of film that isn't really film. > > It is a digital image capturing device that fits into > > your existing 35mm SLR camera body. > > It works just like 35mm film, except that there is no film. The > > device captures and stores your images digitally. > > > > This is still developing (excuse the pun) technology but will > > certainly benifit those who have invested heavily in 35mm > > cameras and accessories. > > > > http://www.siliconfilm.com/ > > > > I hope to try out this stuff soon. > > > > Kevin > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Vaporware! Will be available! Will cost! We will not see this until sensor that are no thicker than film become available. The reason that digital backs are ouly available for cameras with interchangable magazine is simply that they are the only ones that have enough backspacing to allow the image plane of the sensor to be placed at the film plane of the camera. And, why would it only work on certain cameras? Their proposed price is better than it used to be. About the same as a 3.3mp P&S. I think I would just buy the P&S myself. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > Just an addition to this thread is the e-film technology. > In short, (e)-film is a roll of film that isn't really film. > It is a digital image capturing device that fits into > your existing 35mm SLR camera body. > It works just like 35mm film, except that there is no film. The > device captures and stores your images digitally. > > This is still developing (excuse the pun) technology but will > certainly benifit those who have invested heavily in 35mm > cameras and accessories. > > http://www.siliconfilm.com/ > > I hope to try out this stuff soon. > > Kevin > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
My film figures, or my digital figures? Film was base on my actual costs, so it must have been the digital. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > In a message dated 11/21/01 12:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Yah, my figures where skued to make my point. Yours weren't? > > You're low on your figures Tom. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: AF280T questions
Kent wrote: > > 280T is a poor choice if you need macro ... and Mafud replied ... > But Kent, the 280T lets you depress the head by -15 degrees > exactly for that reason. plus, it has the low-range auto which allows close-in flash on or off camera w/o blowing things out if need be. btw - what's the TTL off camera cord gizmo for a 280T/SuperProgram? I've finally got myself one and should keep an eye out for that cord gizmo - anyone got a spare laying about? Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Attention CANADIANS (MZ-s)
At 11:55 21-11-2001 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:31:01 -0800 >From: "Pat White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Fw: Attention CANADIANS (MZ-s) > >I picked up my MZ-S in Edmonton at McBain Camera ($100 less than in Toronto, >and no provincial sales tax in Alberta!), and am happy to report that I'm >thrilled with it. The shop had 6 MZ-Ss in stock, and the salesman felt that >any one you'd buy now would have the updated firmware. How's that for coincidence! My MZ-s from McBain's arrived in the post today. Woo hooo! It feels like Christmas already!!! I always buy myself one present from me. This onés just a bit early. Wendy --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photo printers
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The C80 is nice, but very expensive to run. > A set of 4 cartridges just cost me CAN$120.00. > It looks like a set is going to be good for > about 30 8x10 prints. I don't know how cheap a photographic enlargement is in Canada, but here they're about AUD$13. $4 for the ink and $2 for the paper to get a print that may actually last longer than a photo sounds like a good deal to me. Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
- Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > And the sun will explode in ten million years, too, so I don't see the point > in going to school. > > --Mike > Tried that one on my mother one morning back in High School. The point in going to school was illustrated to the back of my head shortly after those words reached her ears. I went on to college. Cory Waters Northern Michigan University '90-'94 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: developing tri-x in ilfosol-s
Try 8 minutes in 1:9 dilution and 10 minutes in 1:14 dilution. Personally, I prefer to soup Tri-X in D76 1:1. Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: "Geordie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: developing tri-x in ilfosol-s > I was wondering if anyone could tell me a developing time for tri-x 400 film > in Ilford Ilfosol-S developer? > > I had the film in the tank for too long last time, so I want to know what > times other people are using. > > thanks, > > geordie > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > > > I have no idea of what rechargeable batteries you use, but ~any~ > > rechargeable > > > battery has a buy-in price equal to at least 12x the cost of regular > > batteries. And with use, your rechargeable batteries must be replaced. > > > Aha, another "free" item which costs to buy and replace. > > > > "This is an outright fallacious statement." > > > > What, how? Are you suggesting rechargeable batteries ~don't~ wear out or > > that they don't have a limited life? Or that they don't need replacing? > > Whose being "fallacious," Robb? Let me rephrase that slightly All cameras use batteries now (some exceptions do apply, but this is a Pentax list after all, and they all use batteries). All batteries need replacing at some point. They all have a replacement cost attached. If rechargables are usable, and can be recharged to a point where they have done more than 12 times (your number, not mine) the work of a non rechargable, then they are more economical to use. > > > replacing at some point." > > > Then you ~do~ agree with me. > > > alkalines, so are much more economical to > > use, providing the equipment can use it." > > But you're saying what I've said: not matter how long they last, they need > replacing. That is an expense, no matter how you phrase it. Actually, what I said was: "Any battery set needs replacing at some point. Rechargables last far longer than alkalines, so are much more economical to use, providing the equipment can use it. Very few film cameras can use rechargable batteries, and most now use those incredibly expensive lithiums." > > And? AND THE PEACE YOU SO DESPARATELY WANT ONLY HAPPENS IF YOU STOP LYING TO PEOPLE ON THIS LIST BY PARSING OUT OF CONTEXT, AND PLAYING YOUR OTHER VERBAL SHELL GAMES. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
> Kodak will stop making the *cheap film that those cameras use* when they can no > longer sell those cameras. > > The Kodak films preferred by readers of the PDML will go away much sooner. :( Scary thought. Only Max 800 and SG800. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >As I noted elsewhere, KODAK will stop making film when they can no longer >sell one-use and P&S cameras to people without electricity. Kodak will stop making the *cheap film that those cameras use* when they can no longer sell those cameras. The Kodak films preferred by readers of the PDML will go away much sooner. :( -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why Kodak Gold Max is evil?
I was pleasantly surprised by Portra 800 NC this summer -- I used it to shoot a wedding ceremony where flash wasn't allowed under VERY dim tungsten lighting. I didn't have very high hopes for them turning out well, as the conditions were just awful, but since I was already using 160NC for everything else, I decided to take a chance on it. When the prints came back, they looked great -- color reproduction was warm, but not excessively so (thanks to people who printed it), but skin tones looked great, grain was tight and there was plenty of detail in her blinding white dress and his black tux. I was especially thrilled because this was a family wedding, and if you screw things up for family, you'll never hear the end of it. > In a message dated 11/20/01 11:21:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > If I had access to the newer Supra/Portra 800 > > I suspect I would find one or both of them more to my liking, tho. > > Hey Bill! > > I shoot a ~lot~ of PORTRA 800 (NC). Of course the next suggestion is get it > from B&H. > > I've found PORTRA 800 to be the nearest thing to the old EKTAPRESS emulsions > KODAK makes. It does have that mediu contrast EKTAPRESS was famous for. > > Mafud - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Is this the same vaporware that's been around for several years? Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > Just an addition to this thread is the e-film technology. > In short, (e)-film is a roll of film that isn't really film. > It is a digital image capturing device that fits into > your existing 35mm SLR camera body. > It works just like 35mm film, except that there is no film. The > device captures and stores your images digitally. > > This is still developing (excuse the pun) technology but will > certainly benifit those who have invested heavily in 35mm > cameras and accessories. > > http://www.siliconfilm.com/ > > I hope to try out this stuff soon. > > Kevin > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: more flash (was Re: Another Photocritique.net submission)
In a message dated 11/21/01 4:42:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I saw a guy using a white plastic spoon once. Looked goofy, but I bet it > worked. > I've used an ALBINAR TTL "twin flash" often. STO-FEN on the flash head, the second little flash takes care of any shadows, gives "catchlights" and generally separates the subject from their background. KALIMAR makes a dedicated, non-TTL model of the same flash. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The true cost of "free" digital?
In a message dated 11/21/01 4:37:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > How long does it take to upload one of those 485 megbyte files from that 4x5 > digital back? > > --graywolf > What I saw during my hiatus was medium format workstations, with 21" vertical and horizontal monitors, massive server type hard drives and other high end equipment. Three pass digital backs can lay down an image in about 2 seconds. One pass backs are near instantaneous. How large the files are were classified but whatever size Hassleblads and those horsehead sized Bronicas make. Their scans certainly don't "paint" themselves on a few lines at a time like many PCs do. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 2:57:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Do you mean that guy that fields all kinds of questions on a daily basis? > That guy that devotes hours of personal time every month to maintain the PUG > and improve it. Do you mean THAT villain? > What? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Why=20is=20Kodak=20Gold=20Max=20evil=3F? =
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As this tend continues, I wouldn't be surprised to see the more > naturally-balanced > color films going away and the super-saturated ones becoming even more > dominant > in the marketplace. > I'm with you on that. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:46:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Or else you have to be a rapacious, evil bastard who steals every good idea > that anyone else comes up with and crushes competitors under his bootheel. > God, I hate Gates-worship. He's a greedy shit. > > --Mike the Grump > Mike, what would you have done (or do) if you were Gates? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:32:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Specifically with automobiles, they have prospered because of having > superior products, in spite of US pressures in the 80's to limit their > numbers and drive up prices. > The jury is already in on how the Japanese dumped their products, including cars, on the American market since the early 1970s. Their quality came about in part because the subsidies allowed for the engineering that made their cars better. No doubt about their quality, but we Americans were paying as little as 60% of the same car's retail price in Japan. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 11:59:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "Besides, certain films are designed for skin tones, others are not." Yup. Some ~few are, most are not. "The statement "**FUJI is the most egregious violator of the way white and colored > skin should really look" is a very blanket statement, and does not jibe well > with the fact that many portrait, wedding, etc, photographers do use Fuji > films for their subjects." > > Yes, they use the medium contrast films designed to give Brides and > portrait subjects "glows" but not "tans." Those same films still do lousy > renditions on the skins of people of color. We must also remember most > people do not shoot "pro" FUJI emulsions but the very consumer grade FUJI > films known to give the tans and saturated pinks. List members might pay > more attention to how their own favorite consumer films render skin tones. > Consumers don't notice or care, as long as they have anything other than a > sallow complexion. > however." I wonder what you mean by that? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?
On 21 Nov 2001, at 15:58, John Mustarde wrote: > My main focus now is finding things that work, and what I want is an > inkjet printer, preferably an Ethernet-capable Postscript printer, > that can generate the cheesy, comic-book like, single color, > traditional halftone dots. > > Anybody know of one? So you need a PostScript RIP for an Ethernet capable inkjet printer to emulate the any types of half-tone screening that would generally be applied to conventional chemical proofs/press output? I do recall someone may have had a Power PC based RIP solution, I will have to search my archives. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Coffee and brats, anyone?
Chris Brogden wrote: > Oh, I *like* it runny. I'm afraid it's VERY runny, sir. Oops, the cat ate it... (okay, that's my last Monty Python reference for a while, I promise!) -frank > > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film
On 21 Nov 2001, at 11:44, Mike Johnston wrote: > Len P. wrote: > > > Is the film in > > the camera absolutely flat, and how much does that affect > > sharpness? > > Very little, according to exhaustive tests with the only 35mm camera that > does hold the film absolutely flat, the Contax RTS III. But yes, a little. > The Contax 645 also has a vacuum back. The technology comes from satellite > photography, in which 10x10 inch pieces of film are held in place by > sophisticated vacuum mechanisms (my Dad used to be the Director of NASA in > charge of the satellite program, among other things). I would imagine that although the vacuum back on the RTS III is good for little other than scientific applications it would be of a far greater advantage in the 645 given that there is a far larger unsupported area of film. I recall that Pål experienced many problems related to film flatness with his Pentax 645N. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film)
On 21 Nov 2001, at 22:34, Raimo Korhonen wrote: > Well - some are more apochromatic than others but basically Mike is right - and > all manufacturers claim that their APO lenses are apochromatic (but how much?) - > including the famous Kern Macro Switars for Alpa. Everything is relative and IMO > no lens is absolutely apochromatic. And Sigma´s APOs are more apochromatic at > tele end than the DL versions. Hi, I am not sure where the problem lies in that the term APO simply indicates that a lens will be in focus at three discrete and distanced frequencies within the visible spectrum. Where the problem lies is that manufacturers give no indication of the degree of focus error either side of these points. If you understand this then the qualification APO should be acceptable. See the extract following from rec-photo/lenses/faq by By David Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: "Q31. What do APO and Apochromatic mean? A. The distance behind the lens at which monochromatic light (light of a single wavelength) comes to focus varies as a smooth function of the wavelength. If this function has a zero derivative in the visible range, and hence if there are two wavelengths at which the light comes to focus in the same plane, the lens is called achromatic. If there is a higher order correction, usually with the result that 3 or more visible wavelengths come to focus at the same distance, the lens is called apochromatic. Some authorities add more conditions. Apochromatic lenses often contain special low-dispersion glasses. APO is an abbreviation for apochromatic. It is frequently asserted in the rec.photo.* newsgroups that marketeers use the terms apochromatic and APO rather loosely." Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Light Boxes & Loupes
What about a cheap (used) lens? A 25mm lens is a +40 diopter one with quite a flat field, lots of elements, etc. I do hava a (very old) Schneider 8x loupe, but it is only for slides (opaque sides) and I sometimes use lenses in my bag for easier viewing. Though I've not run any extensive tests about eye fatigue (I've always used them for short whiles) image quality is really good. Rgds. Martin www.martintrucco.com.ar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Comments: Stenquist, Buhler
Thanks for the comments, Lasse. I have experimented with tweaking the color, but I felt the actual recorded color was so unusual that I should let it stand. Always a tough choice. Didn't know about the Hendrix concert. But thanks for providing that tidbit. Adds another dimension for me as well. Paul Lasse Karlsson wrote: > > > "Home of the Ancient Gods" by Paul Stenquist > > Fascinating colors and scenery, indeed. The framing is well done, the > shooting too. > Once you notice the island of Maui in the background, it rather becomes > part of the focus of the picture). > > Not having anything to do with the quality of the shot, I must admit > though, that, speaking purely of colors, these aren't really my > favourite ones. So, unless I'd want to display the picture for it's > accuracy, I guess I couldn't refrain from adjusting them more to my > liking... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:35:03 -0500, Bill Owens wrote: > --Mike the Grump > P.S. I sure matters to me that apple is better. I like the better product, > not the cliffs the lemmings like. > > P.P.S. Nothing against you personally, Gary. I don't mean to offend. This >is just a hot button for me, that's all. Even though I make a living because of Gates and crew, don't take that to mean I actually support the crap they turn out. On the other side, Gates is a genius when it comes to marketing. Face it, what else besides MS's stuff, would the consumer put up with? Can you just see the consumer taking it for granted that you have to "re- install" your engine everytime you change you oil, or have to buy new tires because they built another road? Somehow, I don't think that would fly. The exception being, MS's products. That's all I was saying. They, MS, has warped the mindset of the consumer to think it's "normal" to have to reboot Windoze or reinstall when something goes wrong. That is simply stupid and shows the real colors of the company. IMHO Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
I think they just filed bankruptcy. Their product was too long in the building stage and has been passed by just about everyone in the digital camera business. Len --- - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE > Just an addition to this thread is the e-film technology. > In short, (e)-film is a roll of film that isn't really film. > It is a digital image capturing device that fits into > your existing 35mm SLR camera body. > It works just like 35mm film, except that there is no film. The > device captures and stores your images digitally. > > This is still developing (excuse the pun) technology but will > certainly benifit those who have invested heavily in 35mm > cameras and accessories. > > http://www.siliconfilm.com/ > > I hope to try out this stuff soon. > > Kevin > - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
Just an addition to this thread is the e-film technology. In short, (e)-film is a roll of film that isn't really film. It is a digital image capturing device that fits into your existing 35mm SLR camera body. It works just like 35mm film, except that there is no film. The device captures and stores your images digitally. This is still developing (excuse the pun) technology but will certainly benifit those who have invested heavily in 35mm cameras and accessories. http://www.siliconfilm.com/ I hope to try out this stuff soon. Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Virus Question
I think I remember this one from way back! It would have been one of the very first virii written. I'd suggest that you uninstall MS Office, then do a defrag and re-install Office - that should ensure that, if the Outlook executable has been modified, that you get back to a clean system. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:38 AM, aimcompute [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > I might as well send an e-mail and ask, because If I've infected anybody > it's already happened. > > Yesterday my laptop computer started acting pretty weird. When I move the > mouse pointer around the desktop, the icons would start flipping around > slot-machine fashion. Sometimes, not all the time, when I move the mouse > pointer towards an icon it repls it across the screen, like magnets with > same poles pointing towards one another. > > Sound like a virus? My version of Antivirus doesn't find anything. I > checked MS site for symptoms and found a note. I deleted the shelliconcache > file from the Windows directory. It gets rebuilt upon startup. That > seemed to fix the problem. Then I got into Outlook again. When I get out, > the symptoms reappear. > > Tom C. > - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: TTL multiflash with METZ
Sac> Please, if you would, explain "action"? Hi Mafud, no need to be confused. Perhaps I chose a wrong word (happens when English is not my mother tongue). The setup I had in mind was simply (I think I mentioned it in the earlier posts) two flashes, one on bracket one on camera or bracket but other side, still handholdable, maybe one bounced one fill-in, maybe one held offcamera in other hand (to avoid direct lighting) while the second flash is on camera for fill-in. Type of pictures - portraits on location, "reportage" (not exactly the word I would use here) of banquets or parties, generally people shots out of studio where there is not enough light (of course, for me, an "available-dark" photographer by hobby, there is never not enough light! But clients (how strange ) don't like rugby-sized grain, contrast so high & sharp you can cut bread with it, "atmospheric" blurring due to camera shake and simpy don't appretiate the darkroom magic that lets me shoot Ilford HP5+ 400 pushed to 3200 and get very nice results (btw, I will scan a print I have made from this neg, you almost can't tell its a 3 stop push!). They want colour :( And why I used the word "action" - this multiflash setup (with one removed one close to camera) is often used in many urban sports photography, like skateboarding and similar. Although I love available light, there are shots I do with flash, just to be sure they will turn out usable everytime. I hate frontal flash, so I use my flash off-camera, held about 1m removed to the left and above via Metz 307A cable (or held by my pretty asisstant ). This gives me much more natural looking photos than frontal or even bounced flash, but I still need some fill-in light source. And I don't have enough pretty girlfriends to have one hold the flash, the other hold an umbrella over it and the third hold a large white styrofoam plate to fill-in harsh shadows, while the fourth... enough! Frantisek (who most often just holds flash with one hand, holds camera with the other hand and hopes the camera will autofocus well enough, while wishing for a third hand to focus/zoom with). It looks funny - like the old time photographers with head under the largeformat focusing hood of their 5x7" or larger camera, holding with one hand above the camera a bracket with flashpowder... Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
developing tri-x in ilfosol-s
I was wondering if anyone could tell me a developing time for tri-x 400 film in Ilford Ilfosol-S developer? I had the film in the tank for too long last time, so I want to know what times other people are using. thanks, geordie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?
RS> The inkjet delivery is more along the lines of a stochastic screen (or Diamond RS> Screen in the marketing speak of Hell-Linotype) for conventional plate RS> printing. RS> Cheers, RS> Rob Studdert Yes, Inkjets use stochastic "screen", in other words random placement, while traditionals printers use non-stochastic, ordered placement. That's why you don't have to multiply the input file resolution by 1.5-2x when you print on inkjet (but you must do when you send it out to outprinting) to get printing resolution (e.g. with 133 lines per inch screen, used by most colour newspapers, you must use at least 200 pixels per inch input file, for best output even 266 ppi file). It's similar to lens testing where resolution of both film and lens combine so a lens with 100 lpm and film with 100 lpm would probably produce only 50-75 lpm output. Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
why EI-2000 is total CRAP, UNUSABLE for anything but strong daylight!
Hi, I have finally extensively tested functions of EI-2000 in a friendly shop. Why is it total crap? Read more... It has slow lens (2.5-4) coupled with unusable 400 iso setting (the noise is too much at iso 400). This calls for flash. But in all digicams, internal flash sucks big time. But EI-2000 has external hotshoe, right? Yes, external flash... the bigest piece of shit in EI-2000! IT IS NOT USABLE. THE X SYNCH HOTSHOE IS SIMPLY FOR LOOKS & MARKETING. IT CAN'T BE USED!!! 1)It is NOT TTL, simply X synch. Meaning you must use autoflash and set an aperture on it, same aperture as on camera. 2)It SYNCHES _ONLY_ IN _MANUAL_ MODE. Not in Av. Why this sucks? In Av mode, you preselect aperture. You could select one aperture on camera, same on flash, then tell camera to underexpose by 1.5 stop, having nice balance between flash and ambient. The choices are limitless, up to auto fill-in flash. This sometimes works better than TTL flash. 3)BUT, even in MANUAL mode, external flash is almost UNUSABLE for any but still-life photos!!! WHY? for AUTO flash, you select aperture on flash, and then same aperture on camera (or both different, if you want fill-in flash). The aperture on camera must stay the same if the flashes' internal light sensor and thyristor is to give good exposure. BUT ON EI-2000, APERTURE DOESN't STAY THE SAME! Yes, in "manual" mode, aperture CHANGES during zooming! Even if I set it to f/11 manually, it changes to f/13 at half zoom range and f/17.5 at full zoom range!!! !!! Ever tried auto thyristor flash on non-ttl camera equipped with one of the cheap 3.5-6.3 zooms? You simply CAN'T GET GOOD FLASH EXPOSURE this way! If you set your flash to aperture f/5.6 at wide end of zoom, and then zoom to long end, camera's aperture is now about 1.3 f/stop smaller. That means your carefully framed and carefully exposed auto-thyristor flash shots (with flash set to 5.6) will turn out underexposed by 1.3 stops... NOT NICE! THIS stupid thinking, stupid engineering, stupid quality control and stupid testing, and may I say, stupid Pentax and HP whole, makes the camera TOTAL CRAP. Even from start when I learned that Pentax made it together with HP, I had doubts - HP products are mostly crap from my experience (their scanners are crap, I used them, then quickly exchanged for older model but much better Microtek). I will stay with Olympus in digital - Pentax obviously doesn't know how to design a digital camera. The Optios are nice toys but that's all. Toys. A digital camera without external flash is simply just a toy. If you can prove me wrong, that EI-2000 IS somehow usable with autoflash, I will be glad. But I bet you can't. I know - you can manually compute flash distance, subject distance, guide number and flash at full power, and select aperture to match flash-subject distance. But try that in reportage or action shots. HP's advertising describes the EI-2000 as "the digital camera with the control, performance and flexibility of an slr". BULSHIT! Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:29:19 -0500, you wrote: >Canon BJC-620 Properties > --Graphics and Color > --Halftoning >--Smooth, patterned, solid. > >Of course Canon does not know what they are talking about. I agree. But it's probably just semantics - the word "halftone" was once specific to a certain process, and as the process evolved, the word "halftone" has come to describe a group of processes which produce rather different results on the final printed piece. Nowadays, "halftone" is a very generic term which describes a variety of dot generation methods and patterns. BTW, my cheap old HP desktop inkjet also offers a choice of halftones - Dithered or Random. Dithered actually simulates conventional halftone better than Random, although Dithered produces crappy photo quality. > >No 3 (nor 4, nor 6) ink printing device is capable of printing shades of >color. I don't want shades of color. I want one single color. Black would be fine, or solid Magenta, Yellow, and Cyan, if the dot structure would be the type I desire. >A RBG Printer does not print one color. You will always get a red, a blue, >and a green dot. So your test is meaningless. No, the test is not meaningless. If I specify 50% black, the inkjet could turn off the blue, yellow and magenta droplets, and spray a pattern of black ink droplets that cover 50% of the image surface. That would be a good start for my needs - next I would also want the dot structure to emulate the dot pattern of traditional halftone dots. Right now, a 50% black inkjet print contains a high percentage of blue and red in the image, which makes the proof useless as a comparison to the press sheet because the press sheet will only contain black ink. An inkjet manufacturer could modify their hardware and software to output traditional halftone dots. But it hasn't been done yet. Maybe it's because the market for such a device is small, or because the current random droplet generation of inkjets is better for photo-realistic reproduction. Maybe it's because inkjets produce single-size droplets, and combining those tiny inkjet droplets to produce the larger dot pattern of a traditional halftone screen is problematic. Please understand - I don't want phjoto-realistic reproduction - I don't care if we agree or disagree on the usage of the word "halftone" - I just want an inkjet printer that will output the cheesy dot patterns of traditional halftones used in litho printing. Like a comic book, only with a finer line screen. > >If your customers want to see traditional 0, 15, 30, 45 degree halftone >color separations they are not going to get them from a digital pritner, We produce traditional halftone dots with many models of digital (laser) print heads, but they are driven by dedicated screening boards. I just can't get these same conventional halftone dots from an inkjet, at least not from the ones I've been able to review so far. but >to say digital printers don't use halftones indicates little understanding >of the nature of printing. I agree that inkjet printers use a droplet pattern that can be called "halftone". I'm saying I want to find an inkjet printer that will produce the structured array of halftone dots that, to differentiate from the droplets of the inkjets we all know and love, I prefer to call "conventional" or "traditional" hafltone. I like the fine, random, stochastic dots of inkjet printers for photo reproductions, but I need something quite different. > >Credentials (as if needed): I was at one time a stripper/platemaker in the >printing trade. > Good, so you know about conventional halftone dots. BTW, I've been in printing since 1960, and I've trained, hired, fired, and retired many a stripper/platemaker in the intervening years. I could offer more credentials, but that would be beside the point. I do understand printing, but maybe my wording of the original post was less than perfect. My main focus now is finding things that work, and what I want is an inkjet printer, preferably an Ethernet-capable Postscript printer, that can generate the cheesy, comic-book like, single color, traditional halftone dots. Anybody know of one? -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The investment in equipment is much higher for digital at present, for > materials it tends to be lower. But oh, that cost in depreciation! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In another five years I > would expect 90% of commercial photography to be digital. I suspect that > film will be the media of choice for fine arts photography for quite a while > yet. > Agreed. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 1:01:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Mafud wrote: > > > I prefer the colour, but that is really a non sequiter, becasue > > it is an esthetic judgement rather than a technical one. > > > Thanks you. I've been waiting for someone to point this out. > > --Mike > Wasn't ~me~. But thanks anyway. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Another Photocritique.net submission
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/21/01 3:41:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Anyone tried that yellow omni-bounce? Looks kind of puke colored > > Yeah, but scrap gels work just as well over a STO-FEN Work just as well to get a nice puke coloring? tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 12:56:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hardly at all if you judge by the prices folks ask for > their used equipment here on the PDML. > --- > > Len But Robb was talking about ordinary cameras, not PENTAX cameras Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 12:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yah, my figures where skued to make my point. Yours weren't? You're low on your figures Tom. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why Kodak Gold Max is evil?
In a message dated 11/21/01 11:53:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "$2 profit at Wal-Mart actually sounds pretty high for them!" But with 5,000 plus stores, I, as a Walmart stockholder, welcome every $! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 11:47:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Yeah but if in 30 years there is no more film you can still use a > digital > > > camera. > > > > -- > > Shel Belinkoff > As I noted elsewhere, KODAK will stop making film when they can no longer sell one-use and P&S cameras to people without electricity. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: more flash (was Re: Another Photocritique.net submission)
"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > This is a good trick, and I ~usually~ keep a piece of a 3"x5" card and a > rubber band around the head of one of my flashes (didn't have it on this > particular day, unfortunately). I always figured it would work well only > for landscape orientation of the camera body, since the flash would be > sitting "upright" in the hotshoe, and I'd have a three-inch wide section of > card behind the flash head to direct light at the subject. I never figured > it would work as well for portrait orientation of the camera body, because > it that case, the flash is now "sideways", and with the flash head swiveled > up toward the ceiling, I'd only have about a 1.5"-wide piece of card > reflecting light toward the subject. If I understand you correctly, it > sounds like this would still work pretty well. Or am I missing something? > Would it be better, for vertical shots, to mount the flash off-camera on a > bracket? Well, it's always better on a bracket because of red-eye, plus when vertical the flash is centered over the lens. With the flash in the shoe and the camera in the vertical position, a 3x5 card will give some obvious side-lighting which may be unpleasant - *but* - if most of your flash is coming off the bounce, that's ok since it will dominate. The card is just acting to add a little fill - you can think of the bounce as your main light. 80% bounce, 20% fill from the card, or something like that. Bounce will sometimes cause eye sockets to go too dark, especially if you're close to the subject (bouncing close to 180 degrees) or if they're looking down. You just need a little fill from the card...a full-on 3x5 might even be too much. I little 1x2 works fine for me, and gives me the same amount of fill both vertically and horizontally. It's really a matter of taste, I guess. I think full bounce at a pretty steep angle looks kind of cool, but the eyes often look too dark. It's a matter of how much you want to fill in the eyes that determines how big your card is. The bigger the card is, the less "bouncy" and more "frontal" the lighting will look. Of course, if you're not shooting people, this may not apply. I saw a guy using a white plastic spoon once. Looked goofy, but I bet it worked. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital cameras are FREE
In a message dated 11/21/01 11:34:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It's happened as other technologies have been made obsolete by electronics > and there is no reason to doubt that the same won't, (eventually), happen > with film. when this does happen I cant see anything other than pristine > rare models commanding any sort of value. > Regards, > /\/\ick... Film will phase out when KODAK/FUJI can't sell anymore one-use cameras or P& Ss. Right now, they have more than two billion potential customers, one billion of whom don't have... electricity. But they all have eyes to see prints. :)) Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Another Photocritique.net submission
In a message dated 11/21/01 3:41:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyone tried that yellow omni-bounce? Looks kind of puke colored Yeah, but scrap gels work just as well over a STO-FEN Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The true cost of "free" digital?
How long does it take to upload one of those 485 megbyte files from that 4x5 digital back? --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: The true cost of "free" digital? > I've found, and I have no way of knowing how typical I am, that downloading > then "fixing" 50 "normal" low res images doesn't task me too tough. But when > I edit out the fluff and stuph and want some 1200dpi scans, now the time > factor...becomes a factor. > But I'll repeat: "real" digital ~is~ here,in medium and 4x5 formats. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The true cost of "free" digital?
Hey Kent, 4x5 scanning backs were 100-150mb ten years ago, that translates to 50MP. I know for a fact that at least one current 4x5 digital back gives 485mb files. A 4x5 CCD back based on the same wafer that is used in the Phillips chip in the prototype MZ-D would give an 80MP (240mb) image. Of course those are for full frame backs. The most popular backs for 2-1//4" sq cameras have about the same size CCD as a full frame 35mm they ain't state of the art. I guess what I am saying is that what the big boys are using is not the same as what us kids in the playground use. Remember just because we use $1K PC don't mean there aren't any $1,000,000 Super Computers. What we tend to talk about on the list are things we can afford, that doesn't mean there isn't anything better. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Kent Gittings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: The true cost of "free" digital? > While there are people using it in both larger format groups the same can be > said for it's effect in 35mm. My brother, Kirk, the professional, who shoots > mainly 4x5 and some Hassy MF, has taught classes in LF and MF digital, and > teaches the Zone System at both UNM and occasionally at the Art Institute of > Chicago will disagree with you. 6MP MF and 16MP LF backs are readily > available currently. However the main problem is still the amount of info > captured. Both formats suffer from the same lens aspect problem you get with > the latest sub-full frame cameras from Nikon and Canon. He says that without > much exception his major architectural clients are not happy with the amount > of info captured by 16 MP digital backs when a good 4x5 film plate can get > more than 64 MP when scanned if they want a digital product. In MF the > problem is that in effect you are using a full frame 35mm array size. So you > lose any info you might get from the advantage of shooting from 60x45 to > 60x90. While the images are about as good as 35mm film they aren't as good > as medium format film results. Unless of course you are shooting in a field > like PJ in 35mm format where a loss in info capture isn't important due to > the media result it is used in. > My brother is fully ready to use the larger digital formats as soon as they > get digital backs that can provide as much info as film. Till then it is > still not ready for prime time. > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: The true cost of "free" digital? > > > In a message dated 11/20/01 10:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Subj:Re: The true cost of "free" digital? > > Date:11/20/01 10:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time > > From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Tsai) > > Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Reply-to: HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Mafud, > > > > While it might be true that the digital print or picture quality may > > never truly match those of a great slide/film print, cost is definitely > > less of an issue when going digital." > > > I've found, and I have no way of knowing how typical I am, that downloading > then "fixing" 50 "normal" low res images doesn't task me too tough. But when > I edit out the fluff and stuph and want some 1200dpi scans, now the time > factor...becomes a factor. > But I'll repeat: "real" digital ~is~ here,in medium and 4x5 formats. > > > I've taken more usable shots with my Coolpix 880 then I will even dare > > attempt to take with any of the 3 Pentaxes I own over the last year that > > I've owned it due to the fact that it is cheaper (especially in Japan) > > to shoot digital. > > OK, let's try this. By the time I actually reretired, I was shooting 28-30 > keepers" per roll. In my business, maybe 2 of them would be chosen: one for > newspaper/magazine publication, the maybe the writer (if not myself). > "Keepers" to us though is just so much trash to the photo editor. I found > one > was to steer the selection toward what ~I~ thought was (or should be the > "cover" shot: I learned to write captions which were minimalist in nature > but > thoroughly descriptive. > > " Also, cost of ownership really isn't that bad; so far, > > I've spent: > > Camera - US$650 (including charger and 1 battery) > > Memory cards - US$80 (2 x 32MB) > > Rechargeable batteries - US$40 (1 additional battery) > > A far cry from those "battery-chewing" digitals you describe below... > > Sure, I may not be using some of the great lenses I have, but you know > > what? I've enjoyed immersing myself in the digital world and it's taking > > Pentax way too long to get to market with
Kodak's Game
Mafud jousts:: > How then, did FUJI become so well known so > quickly? The same way Japanese products, especially automobiles, took over so > many markets. Not with shoddy products but with government subsidies. They didn't even have to do that. What Fuji did was to come into a market that Kodak owned and served with both high-profit and low-profit goods and services, and compete intensely with them *only* in the high profit products. They skimmed the cream off the milk and nothing else. If you look at a Kodak catalog circa 1965 and compare the range of types of photographic products offered to the sum total of all the types of photographic products Fuji has EVER offered, the strategy becomes clear. Kodak previously used profits from high-profit items to subsidize many low-and no-profit items. Before Fuji arrived, Kodak made some 70-80% of its profits on only two classes of products--consumer color negative film and long rolls of color paper used in automated processing machines. But they used the profits from these to subsidize essentially every product and service they could think of that photographers might need, from darkroom products to esoteric duplicating films to educational books to you name it. Fuji came in and targeted ONLY color films of all types and color paper long rolls. It competed fiercely. This threw Kodak into disarray, because it had to slowly and painfully abandon its old strategy and get cutthroat with the high-profit items in order to compete. Since Fuji's arrival, Kodak is, from the perspective of the photographer at least, a ghost of its former self. It has divested itself of many low-profit operations and jettisoned literally hundreds of types of products and services. It has had to. Fuji saw to it. > The operative word for nearly > all Japanese penetration of world markets being niche. Yeah, like TVs, consumer electronics, automobiles--niches like that. > Once a year, when the entire KODAK imaging catalog is released, I am > thunderstruck by the depth and breadth of KODAK's photographic film > offerings. From tiny consumer APS to giant ~sheets~ of special order film. > KODAK offers ~every~ imaginable film product while upstart FUJI has just > begun to penetrate medium and large format film. Actually, again, not the case. If you look at the historical record, Kodak offered relatively few general-purpose films, with relatively infrequent new product introductions, before Fuji entered the fray. By spurring competition, Fuji is in fact responsible for the explosion in the numbers and types of color emulsions that have come on to the market in the past 20-25 years, and for the fact that new films have significantly shorter product lives than in the more stately days of old. > KODAK doesn't need to be in consumer film to make it In my informed opinion, kind Sir, absolutely and utterly untrue. Consumer film is where a great deal of the money is, and essential to the vital lifeblood of Kodak as well as to Fuji. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX and K 50 1.2 for Sale or Trade for Pentax AF
Te la cambio por una Z1p con un 28/70 2,6 2,8 Tokina y varias pantallas de enfoque. -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En nombre de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de noviembre de 2001 18:00 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: LX and K 50 1.2 for Sale or Trade for Pentax AF Here I go again... LX BODY: - LX body. Old style shutter. Serial no. 529. Focuses at infinity and the mirror doesn't sticks. The bumpers shows some degradation, so I suppose the syndrome will appear in a near or far future. The cosmetics are good. Fully functional. - FA-1 finder. - Grip A very nicely shaped and painted black. - Strap lugs and sync terminal covers. - SC-69 "Japan-Only" New screen installed. Also includes original box, case and tweezers. - SC-21 Additional screen. - Original LX Everready Case. - Pentax logo 3rd party strap. I have some pictures of it. They were taken by the list member I bought it from some few months ago. Contact me privately if interested. K 50 1.2: In excellent plus condition. Glass unmarked, with just some minimal dust speks, no fungus or scratches. Smooth as butter aperture with unique K-series feeling. Lens barrel as new. A jewel. Both original caps. I'm interested in trading the LX and/or lens for Pentax AF stuff ( ZX/MZ 5n, ZX/MZ 3 or PZ/Z 1p, and AF zoom or prime lenses). Regards Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Watermakrs
In a message dated 11/21/01 12:13:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . "This would make the simple visible copyright notice in the image one of > the better protections -- although easy to remove, it would make it very > difficult for the thief to claim they didn't know what they were doing." My orginal thought when I first asked the question. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG Comments: Stenquist, Buhler
Hi, These are the pictures that were assigned to me this month. (Mentally I am at least a week behind calendar time, so I am not really that late this month... :) ) "Home of the Ancient Gods" by Paul Stenquist Fascinating colors and scenery, indeed. The framing is well done, the shooting too. Once you notice the island of Maui in the background, it rather becomes part of the focus of the picture). Not having anything to do with the quality of the shot, I must admit though, that, speaking purely of colors, these aren't really my favourite ones. So, unless I'd want to display the picture for it's accuracy, I guess I couldn't refrain from adjusting them more to my liking... (On another personal note, Maui also in a sense to me means a temporary home for another almost ancient "God", in that Maui in my mind forever is associated with a (filmed) concert by Jimi Hendrix in 1970 (partly shown in a lousy movie "Rainbow Bridge"). ) "San Francisco, 9/11/2001" by Juan Buhler Along with the title, the two bearing elements of the picture are the eyes of the girl looking into the camera and the fragment of the newspaper spelling "Centers' collaps...". Focusing is accurate and so is the use of the narrow DOF. The scene is a contrasty one though and one could of course say that the burned out highlights (like the left cheek of the girl) represents a problem from a technical point of view, but this is not of prime importance to me. However, there is a somewhat busy surrounding of (parts of) heads, faces and shoulders etc. I did a tighter cropping of the picture (like an inch down the girl's hair, up to the upper end of the black shadow of the news paper, leaving an inch of the head to the right, and roughly down the middle of the head of the girl(?) holding the paper), and I kind of liked this cropping too. Anyway, the picture is a well captured glimpse of how many people (all over the world I guess) received the news of Sept. 11, like in not even knowing what to make of it all. Thanks, Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: more flash (was Re: Another Photocritique.net submission)
Tom wrote, concerning the lowly white index card: > Aim the head at the ceiling halfway to the subject, but place a > card behind to reflect some fill. I actually use the side of a 100 sheet > box of b+w paper. I hold it on with a rubber band, which lets me slip > it around to the side for when I shoot vertical on a bracket. Hi Tom, This is a good trick, and I ~usually~ keep a piece of a 3"x5" card and a rubber band around the head of one of my flashes (didn't have it on this particular day, unfortunately). I always figured it would work well only for landscape orientation of the camera body, since the flash would be sitting "upright" in the hotshoe, and I'd have a three-inch wide section of card behind the flash head to direct light at the subject. I never figured it would work as well for portrait orientation of the camera body, because it that case, the flash is now "sideways", and with the flash head swiveled up toward the ceiling, I'd only have about a 1.5"-wide piece of card reflecting light toward the subject. If I understand you correctly, it sounds like this would still work pretty well. Or am I missing something? Would it be better, for vertical shots, to mount the flash off-camera on a bracket? Thanks again for the advise. Well, enough for now. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?
Well John you could check out Postscript printers. Micrograpfx Picture Publisher will generated halftone separations on them, but I don't know if they would be much like traditional halftone separations as I don't have a Postscript printer. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:21 AM Subject: Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers? > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:56:23 +1000, you wrote: > > >The inkjet delivery is more along the lines of a stochastic screen (or Diamond > >Screen in the marketing speak of Hell-Linotype) for conventional plate > >printing. > > Right. Another example is the Barco "Monet" screens. The dots of > stochastic screens are not placed on a geometrical pattern like > conventional screens. Stochastic screens are important to produce > smoother tonal gradations for photo-quality prints, and to allow > printing more colors without introducing moire patterns. > > Theres a short general discussion by Steven Ostrofsky of stochastic > versus the old halftone screen at: > http://www.naa.org/technews/tn951112/p12dot.html > > I need an inkjet printer that will output a traditional, 133-line, > single-color screen in the conventional geometric halftone pattern, > especially at percentages normally used to make background tints at > specific percentages. In other words, I want that structured, > geometric array of same-size dots on paper. > > My need is for customer proofs which exactly match the printed litho > sheet - and the litho sheet will have only conventional halftone dots > in the selected ink color. > > I've heard rumours of one such inkjet, for commercial use, that was > introduced at a recent litho trade show. But I don't have the > particulars on it yet. > > -- > John Mustarde > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Light Boxes
"Tom C." wrote: >I know loupes have been discussed at length, so I don't want to start a >large loupe discussion. Right now I'm using a Carson 7x plastic thing. >It's large enough to fit over an entire 35mm slide, but it's only relatively >distortion free at the center of the FOV. What does it cost for a "good" >loupe? Can you get one for under $50? I've been using a 50mm lens. I got a mechanically unuseable (for photography) f/1.4 screwmount from someone here on the list (for free?). The 1.4 allows me to see the entire image at once, whereas my f/1.7 didn't. Probably not the best loupe, and certainly not something I'd go out to a customer with, but the price was right for home use. Besides, sometimes it pulls double duty on the end of the lens for a macro shot. later, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Another Photocritique.net submission
On grab shots you can't always get the 'lighting just right' - excellent grab shot, I like the kids' expressions. You can fix the aesthetics in Photoshop or whatever image editing program you are using. Maris - Original Message - From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Another Photocritique.net submission | http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?zzmwdn-p21072919 | | Hi folks, | | This one's a portraiture attempt, but I think I have a lot to learn yet | about getting the lighting just right on these grab shots. As always, | comments/criticisms appreciated. | | Bill Peifer | Rochester, NY | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Is it art?
It is art, and it is social commentary though, no doubt, accidental and unintended. Maris - Original Message - From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Is it art? | Just a funny old picture I found in my hd. Comments welcome. | | http://www.jbuhler.com/tmp/ca99-0533.jpg | | :-) | | | | | | = | -- | Juan J. Buhler | http://www.jbuhler.com | Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. | http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?
Canon BJC-620 Properties --Graphics and Color --Halftoning --Smooth, patterned, solid. Of course Canon does not know what they are talking about. No 3 (nor 4, nor 6) ink printing device is capable of printing shades of color. The only way to make it look like it does is by halftoning. Your ink dot pattern is halftoning. It may not be four superimposed diamonds at different angles like you seem to think is the only kind there is, but it is halftoning. If it wasn't you could not get shades of color. The screening is simply the way of saying how coarse, or fine, the pattern is. The term is used because in the traditional printing industry they literally used a screen to break the image up into dots in the platemaking process. The fact that digital printing does not use a physical screen does not mean it does not use halftoning. A RBG Printer does not print one color. You will always get a red, a blue, and a green dot. So your test is meaningless. Some of the better printers add a black dot for shading. The squirt of ink is far bigger than the stepping rate of the head which is what is listed as DPI. A halftone dot is made up of many squirts of ink and has little to do with the DPI rating of the printer. Looking at prints with a loupe shows that, at least on my printer, the three color halftones do not overlap. Also, unless you are printing separations to use in another process, the final print always contains all three halftones (four on a CMYK printer). If your customers want to see traditional 0, 15, 30, 45 degree halftone color separations they are not going to get them from a digital pritner, but to say digital printers don't use halftones indicates little understanding of the nature of printing. Credentials (as if needed): I was at one time a stripper/platemaker in the printing trade. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers? > On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:34:18 -0500, you wrote: > > >your digital printer does use a halftone screen for anything > >other than line graphics. It is built in. > > I don't know of any inkjet printers that actually can generate a > traditional halftone screen. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why Kodak Gold Max is evil?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 11:33 PM, Chris Brogden wrote: > > > 3-packs of Superia 800 (also 24exp) go for about $11 CAN, I think. > > Where? Sheesh, they cost us $11.25 wholesale. The store I work at (Don's Photos) sells them for $11.99. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Colo r Film)
I suspect that they only approach perfection, as a goal, but never actually achieve it. The real world does have to be considered, ya know what I mean? In other words, when you get close enough, you can claim victory. To hold them to having to be perfect because they use the term APO is not realistic. The lens manufacturers are just as critical of each others claims as we are. It may have an affect on our results but it also has an affect on their market share for their lenses. Some lens makers hold to the highest standards, and you pay a premium for their lenses. Some hold to just above the threshhold that allows them to call a lens an APO, so they can make their lenses more affordable to sell more. It's not really a matter of getting away with anything. Len --- -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film) Now this I'd like to hear more about. Can you elaborate on this point, specifically, how do manufacturers get away with labeling a lens as Apochromatic when it isn't? Is the term "APO" used to imply that a lens is apochromatic, when, in fact, it's just a model name given to the lens? Which lenses that are designated as "APO" lenses are not, in fact, apochromatic? Which are? Just a few examples would be appreciated. Would a lens have to be designated as "apochromatic" to be apochromatic, as opposed to being labeled as "APO", which may not be apochromatic? Mike Johnston wrote: > and virtually all camera lenses labeled as "Apo," aren't. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT Re: On, Wisconsin
Colin B. wrote: > We just can't find any good way to identify Canadians. > They look just like us. :) Talk funny, though, eh? --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film
Yep, that's right. A little film warpage, though it can be as much or maybe a little more than the thickness of the emulsion(s) doesn't really cause major decreases in sharpness. Another point that hasn't been mentioned here (at least I haven't seen it mentioned) is that depth of focus/field operates to a certain degree at the film plane, as well as in front of the lens. I'm pretty sure that the order that the color emulsions are "stacked" onto the film backing take into consideration how different colors of light are affected by a "standard" or hypothetical lens. The film makers have been making film for a long time now. I'm sure that all the points we've considered have been considered by them, too. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bon Walkden Mot
Mark R. wrote: > I think Bob Walkden holds the record for coming up with "things I wish *I'd* > said"! He holds the same record in my book, Mark! --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Why is Kodak Gold Max evil?
Gary M. wrote: > Steve Jobs: "But we are better then you" > > Bill Gates: "It doesn't matter." > > You don't have to be the "best" to be the "biggest". You just have to know how > to market your product so that > the consumer =thinks= you have the "best". Or else you have to be a rapacious, evil bastard who steals every good idea that anyone else comes up with and crushes competitors under his bootheel. God, I hate Gates-worship. He's a greedy shit. --Mike the Grump P.S. I sure matters to me that apple is better. I like the better product, not the cliffs the lemmings like. P.P.S. Nothing against you personally, Gary. I don't mean to offend. This is just a hot button for me, that's all. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Brendan wrote: >HAHAHA, I always wondered why people had such >different skin tones in the prints than in person. I >blamed the lighting, the meter's 18% grey insistance >and fiters. Now I know it's Fuji :-) Interesting thought: I expect that those who want natural skin tones, or natural color in general, are going to be moving into digital for the most part: getting accurate color is mainly a matter of setting the white balance on a digital camera. No color correction filters or whatever and you don't have to choose between daylight and tungsten; you can have any of the almost infinite variations in between. Mixed lighting will be much easier to handle. I read an article a few years ago by a botanist who lamented the move to extra saturated films because what he wanted was not to get beautiful, sellable, artistic photos, but rather to document what the plants he was studying really looked like. As I said, this was a couple of years ago; I'll bet money that this guy has gone digital entirely now and solved his problem that way. As this tend continues, I wouldn't be surprised to see the more naturally-balanced color films going away and the super-saturated ones becoming even more dominant in the marketplace. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help and understanding
Ken A. wrote: > I need a little help here. I have been known to squeeze a nickel till > the Indian rides the buffalo, but for the life of me I can't figure out > why anyone would pay twice as much for a lens hood as they did for the > lens. Ken, Because someone wanted it enough, I guess. I think I already told the story of the Nikon lens hood that sold on eBay for $5,500.00--and was a good investment! --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: November PUG: A vote for Giafranco's Innocence and Fear
Hi Lon, Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you appreciated my shot. I've been working on a project involving broken, abandoned dolls for almost seven years. Most of the time I take only a shot of a subject, seldom I have the time to shot a entire roll, but I always try to follow the spur of the moment. Thanks again, Gianfranco - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: PDML new Pentax Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:34 AM Subject: November PUG: A vote for Giafranco's Innocence and Fear > Every once in a while something in the PUG really grabs me, > and it seems the pictures I like are always B&W. And here > I am, shooting only color. If this was a "found" shot, > then there's a sharpshooter amongst us. I can see why it > is a response to the Twin Towers "bombing", too. > > Nice work. Not that the others aren't, but I like to comment > only once per PUG. > - Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
