Re: ebay hell

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Quoting Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Anyone having trouble listing things today???
>
> Nope. I just listed about 3 minutes ago.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2359127406
>
> I'm about to list something else. If anything goes wrong I'll write back.
> Otherwise, hopefully your listing will go thru a second time around.
>

I finally got something relisted by listing it as a new item - but it took about
ten years :)
Maybe the glitchiness is the reason  they are giving penny gallery days :)

>
> PS... Ann, I haven't had the opportunity to say it, but I particularly enjoyed
> your PUG postings from Sept. and October (one with 2 chairs... another with a
> dentist office, I believe). Myself and another PDML I was visiting were
> commenting on how talented you are overall. Thanks for continuing to share
> your work. Inspiring.

Thanks so much, Jerome, nice to hear. (Is there someway to depict blushing with
special characters on line?  - no wait a minute -- maybe we don't need to know ;))

annsan

Re: Hot pixels

[Robert Gonzalez]

I'll give it a shot.  I just capped the exposure of about 30 seconds at 
1600 iso.  There was low level noise, and a couple of places where it 
reached a level that would have been almost a "warm" pixel, but not 
quite.  So I was really pleased.  No real standouts.

Thanks,

rg

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 10 Nov 2003 at 20:35, Robert Gonzalez wrote:


I asked about this in an earlier thread, and someone thought it came 
with the camera.  But I have not found anything like this either.  I did 
a test myself however, and was unable to find any "hot" or stuck pixels 
on the sensor in the *istD sample I bought.


Try this little utility using capped exposures of 15 and 60 seconds:

http://www.starzen.com/imaging/deadpixeltest.htm

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[Bucky]

You didn't question any claim, you posted a snotty little obtuse comment
that read so: "Really?  What do you think does the conversion to JPEG,
then?"  Therein lay the principal instance of nitpicking in this thread.
You're just miffed because you're used to getting away without being called
on it.

Seeing that you had been caught playing the pedant, you then switched your
position, acknowledging that there could be a difference, but that you
doubted that the second method was *better*.

You then MANUFACTURED a quote to make your own, newly adopted, position seem
more reasonable, and go on to take me to task for noticing.  HAR!

Regardless of what you may want to believe, people on this list have noticed
that there is a difference in result between the two types of conversion.
OK, you have now abandoned your first position ("why would you assume that
the in-camera conversion does not have the same problems" - implying that
there isn't a difference, although it had already been established that the
difference in result was not ASSUMED but OBSERVED) in favor of your second
(there may be a difference but one is not necessarily better).  The change,
though unnoticed, is most welcome.



-Original Message-
From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10-Nov-03 20:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!


>
> I may not have been your claim, but it most certainly is your fabrication.
>
> Mr. Owens wrote is as follows: "I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough
for
> my use, and I don't use the Pentax software.  I import directly into
> Photoshop via PIM."
>
> I did not understand him to mean, nor is it reasonable to imply that he
> meant, that importing ***L jpg into PS is a panacea, only that it offers
> better results than using the bundled Pentax RAW-->jpg conversion
software.

And it's *precisely* that claim that I am questioning.

It may be true.  Or it may not be.  But it seems perfectly
reasonable to question this assumption, given the fact that
we know there some issues with the RAW-to-JPEG conversion
in Photo Laboratory.  We know that the in-camera conversion
seems to use a *different* algorithm.  But is it better?

Go ahead and nit-pick this to death again, if that's all
you can offer to the discussion.  It would be nice if you
could offer something useful instead, but I'm not hopeful.

Re: Oh, this is rich

[Doug Brewer]

On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

Yesterday I tried my Tokina AT-X AF 400 f5.6 on the *ist D. Well, 
Pentax Photo Browser identifies the lens as "smc Pentax-F 
35-70mmF3.5-4.5" and the focal length as 400 mm. Earth calling 
Pentax

Joe
How is it a Pentax problem if the Tokina doesn't show the correct info?

Pentax cameras are designed to work with Pentax lenses. Expecting them 
to identify every third-party lens mounted on them is ludicrous.

Does it make pictures with the Tokina? Does it expose properly? If so, 
enjoy it.

Doug

Re: OT - Apology about the apology

[Mat Maessen]

"Burma!"

Cotty wrote:
And now on BBC 1, a penguin on the telly.

*BOOM*

Re: Hot pixels

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Hot pixels



>
> Try this little utility using capped exposures of 15 and 60 seconds:
>
> http://www.starzen.com/imaging/deadpixeltest.htm


Cool.
Here's how my ist did.
1/4000   0 dead, 0 hot.
same until 1/2.
Then one test it ran 2 hot, I ran it again and got 3 hot, and 3 hot on a
third test.
1 sec: 3 hot one time, 12 hot the next, then 5 hot on a third test
2 sec: 30 hot/ 21 hot
4 sec: 46 hot / 42 hot
8 sec: 56 hot /57 hot
15 sec: 109 hot /116 hot
30 sec: 495 hot/ 363 hot

This test also gives a luminance value for the hot pixels, but I have no
idea what they mean.

William Robb

Re: Hot pixels

[Dave Miers]

I just tested my s404 P&S and if I put it on 64 iso...I have one hot pixel
showing.  If I put it on the highest sensitivity...400 iso...ughI got
all kinds8-10 second exposures.  I'm wondering on the high sensitivity
about the relationship to digital noise and hot spots.

I ran the program from the link previously listed and it found a couple of
dead pixels and about  25 hot pixels.  I'm only noticing the one in the
pictures I looked at though.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@#$% piece of crap!

Film...I think I LOVE YOU!

Dave


> Ok, so the first test ( a 10-second exposure) didn't show anything.  I
> tested again, this time 2 minutes, and got a bunch.  Luckily they don't
show
> up except for very long exposures
>
> Christian Skofteland
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Hot pixels
>
>
> > On 10 Nov 2003 at 21:23, Christian Skofteland wrote:
> >
> > > H, my first ist-D had one hot pixel almost dead-center.  The new
one
> > > doesn't seem to have any.
> >
> > I've never seen a sensor that had no defects. Have a peek at the page
> listed
> > below, it contain preliminary details of a camera for telescope imaging
> based
> > on the same sensor as used in the *ist D. Of interest is the following
> passage
> > in the preliminary specs:
> >
> > "CCD quality: Grade 1 or better - No bad columns, no dead pixels, no
more
> than
> > 50 'hot' pixels (saturated in <10 seconds)."
> >
> > http://www.starlight-xpress.co.uk/SXV-M25.htm
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rob Studdert
> > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> > Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> > UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> >
>
>

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[John Francis]

> 
> I may not have been your claim, but it most certainly is your fabrication.
> 
> Mr. Owens wrote is as follows: "I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for
> my use, and I don't use the Pentax software.  I import directly into
> Photoshop via PIM."
> 
> I did not understand him to mean, nor is it reasonable to imply that he
> meant, that importing ***L jpg into PS is a panacea, only that it offers
> better results than using the bundled Pentax RAW-->jpg conversion software.

And it's *precisely* that claim that I am questioning.

It may be true.  Or it may not be.  But it seems perfectly
reasonable to question this assumption, given the fact that
we know there some issues with the RAW-to-JPEG conversion
in Photo Laboratory.  We know that the in-camera conversion
seems to use a *different* algorithm.  But is it better?

Go ahead and nit-pick this to death again, if that's all
you can offer to the discussion.  It would be nice if you
could offer something useful instead, but I'm not hopeful.

Re: Oh, this is rich

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter"
Subject: Oh, this is rich


> Yesterday I tried my Tokina AT-X AF 400 f5.6 on the *ist D. Well, Pentax
> Photo Browser identifies the lens as "smc Pentax-F 35-70mmF3.5-4.5" and
> the focal length as 400 mm. Earth calling Pentax
>
They don't offer full support for their own lenses, you expect full support
for Tokina?
WW

Re: FRANKENCAM v2 - correct URL

[Ryan K. Brooks]

I've been told it's not by several different companies.

R

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

I always wondered about this...
Does anybody make a pentax K lens to EOS body
lens adapter ring? Seems like the EOS
throat is large enuff and the film to
flange distance is short enuff to allow
infinity focus...
 

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[Eactivist]

>My friend with the 300D and I have compared paper prints from both cameras.
While the picture qualities are different, there is really nothing to say
that one is better than the other.
It looks like Pentax may be trying to emulate the look of film with the ist
D. Both Brian and I have noted that the ist D prints have a smoother
tonality to them than the Canon prints.
Less of the digital "look" for lack of a better term from the Pentax than
from the Canon.
This approach may not translate as well to the computer screen, but it does
seem to have an advantage on paper.

>William Robb

Thanks, looking at people's photos I've seriously been wondering about that. 
It occurred to me that Pentax was going for an "analog look."

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[Eactivist]

keith wrote:
>Marnie - you can't possibly be THAT old!  

I was being very wry, or very tongue in cheek. I just left off my little 
smiley (as a dead give away).

Marnie aka Doe  Actually, come to think of it, I am not much of a drinker. My 
vices are otherwise.

Re: Hot pixels

[Christian Skofteland]

Ok, so the first test ( a 10-second exposure) didn't show anything.  I
tested again, this time 2 minutes, and got a bunch.  Luckily they don't show
up except for very long exposures

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Hot pixels


> On 10 Nov 2003 at 21:23, Christian Skofteland wrote:
>
> > H, my first ist-D had one hot pixel almost dead-center.  The new one
> > doesn't seem to have any.
>
> I've never seen a sensor that had no defects. Have a peek at the page
listed
> below, it contain preliminary details of a camera for telescope imaging
based
> on the same sensor as used in the *ist D. Of interest is the following
passage
> in the preliminary specs:
>
> "CCD quality: Grade 1 or better - No bad columns, no dead pixels, no more
than
> 50 'hot' pixels (saturated in <10 seconds)."
>
> http://www.starlight-xpress.co.uk/SXV-M25.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>

OT : Digital Camera Shopper

[Christian Skofteland]

I picked up this magazine today (it's printed in the UK; not a jab, just
clarifying which magazine) and, after reading two articles; a review of the
*ist-D and a review of the Canon 300D; and skimming the rest, have come up
with one conclusion.

They need to hire a proof-reader!

Sheesh! they make comments that such and such camera doesn't show enough
detail, when they can't even print the name of a lens correctly.  In one
small side-bar they go on and on about the best portrait lens and keep
referring to it as a 28-135 when in fact they really mean -and show a
picture of- a 28-105.  They mislabeled the rear-view of an ist-D (labeling
the 4-way controller as the Av wheel); In the buyer's guide section they
show the ist-D but label its ratings as "Nikon D1-H" (clearly the rating are
for the ist-D as the D1-H rating (labeled properly) are different).   There
were numerous misspellings throughout the articles I read and their
step-by-step section included the same images for two different processes!
The list of mistakes is endless.

Camera manufacturers might not have the best quality control on the planet
but for a magazine with all these errors to point that out is ludicrous.

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[Doug Franklin]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:48:15 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I remain a bit puzzled about how a question about love ended up on
> the topic of booze.

Surely you jest. ;->

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: MX battery misshap

[jmb]

graywolf wrote:
supposed to have the center terminal of the battery towards the battery 
cover, that looks wrong at first glance.
Graywolf,

Thanks,  I put the batteries in the right way and after some research 
(and many months) I found out how to turn on the meter.  Only the top
red led lights up regardless of the shutter or aperture settings.
Does this mean that the metering resistors or contacts are bad?

Thanks,

John

Re: Is this a Vivitar?

[Fred]

>> It was a speculative buy, which could turn a dog. Is that the
>> same as a Vivitar? I know Kiron manufactured Series 1 lenses. Is
>> that a rebadged something-that-I-could-find-more-info-about?

> Well it *looks* a lot like the Vivitar Series 1 that was built by
> Kiron.

I think it might be the Kiron 70210 that had a "zoom-lock" feature,
which seemed to be unlike any of the VS1 lenses.  (Not sure, of
course...)

Fred, K1FW

OptioS brightness issues

[Anurag Sharma]

Hi All,

I just bought a pentax optioS (3.2MP) camera. When I see the pictures on
the LCD they seem great, however once I download them to the pc, they
appear very dark! Happens for the mjpeg movies too. 

Has anyone else come across this before? 

Apologies if this has been covered before. I couldn't find any reference
to this  issue in the archives.

Thanks.

Anurag

Re: kicked off?

[Brendan]

I know I know :-( 

 --- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: > Huh?
> 
> Wha'd'I do?  Why am I getting dragged into this?
> 
> BTW, Brendan, you missed a great get together on the
> weekend.  Beer and new 
> cameras...
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all
> possible worlds.  The pessimist 
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >I though I only got kicked off when I harassed
> Frank
> >to much ? 
> 
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Re: What is the high-end Pentax lens strategy????

[Bruce Rubenstein]

To keep Canon and Nikon in business.

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1392

[Bruce Rubenstein]

I'm using a Quantum T2 flash so the batteries are separate. The flash alone
weighs around 30 oz.

BR

WR> This is one of the reasons for my going with the Metz 60 series. Much of
the
WR> flash weight is taken off the flash head and put onto the separate
battery
WR> pack, which is carried on a shoulder strap.
WR> Still not light, but not as heavy.

WR> William Robb

Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle

[bucky]

I remember that one episode:  
"Ernie, you can't eat cookies in your bed - the crumbs will getinto your 
pajamas make you all itchy."
"OK, I'll eat cookies in *your* bed, Bert!"

Quoting frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> Kind of like Bert and Ernie.  I always thought that was a bit weird, too.  
> Like, where were their parents?


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Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle

[bucky]

I remember that one episode:  
"Ernie, you can't eat cookies in your bed - the crumbs will getinto your 
pajamas make you all itchy."
"OK, I'll eat cookies in *your* bed, Bert!"

Quoting frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> Kind of like Bert and Ernie.  I always thought that was a bit weird, too.  
> Like, where were their parents?


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RE: Pentax lens prices

[Len Paris]

Very good advice!  The only thing I can add to that is, whenever you
come upon something that you want that has a But It Now price that is
right, click it immediately, before someone else either clicks it or
bids something that turns it off.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax lens prices 
> 
> 
>  > That's how crazy ebay is.
> 
> ebay is not crazy. people who have no idea what they are doing, are.
> there's very little need in bidding more than once. 
> preferrably, in the 
> last 0.1 second
> (sniping that is). and, in general, unless the starting bid is 1c and 
> you just using "items i am bidding on"
> section to track things, there's basically no need to bid more than 
> once, no matter what.
> (ok, there are some very special circumstances when it does 
> make sense, 
> but i don't want
> to go too deep into ebay theory :)
> and, no matter what, bidding war is always a bad idea. there's no 
> excuse, period.
> just bid once, bid the max you care to pay and never open the listing 
> page again, until the
> game is over.
> 
> mishka
> 

Re: dumber and dumberer

[Bill Owens]

> I've kept the MZ-S for film purposes... but it's looking grim already.
Once I
> finish all to film I have in the house (may take a while)... I'm not
really
> feeling inclined to order more. But we'll see how it goes. Things change.
> Newness wears off. Etc.

I kept the Spottie, MZ-S, the wife's ZX-L and a couple of cheapo Russian
cameras, oh, and the Yashica Lynx 14 rangefinder.  The MZ-S is beginning to
fell like an orphan since I got the Igital*Dist, which, BTW, should return
home tomorrow.

Bill

RE: OT - Apology about the apology

[Len Paris]

Remember.  There's room for all God's creatures.  Right next to the
mashed potatoes.  There's no need to explode those tasty penguins. 

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: OT - Apology about the apology
> 
> 
> And now on BBC 2, an apology.
> 
> It has come to our attention that the apology we issued 
> yesterday was the
> wrong one and we would like to apologise for that apology.
> 
> And now on BBC 1, a penguin on the telly.
> 
> *BOOM*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
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Re: Hot pixels

[Herb Chong]

assuming the camera allows that long an exposure. the cheap ones stop pretty
soon. that's one of my gripes about my Nikon Coolpix 5000. it should be good
for much longer exposures, but it stops at 8 seconds.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Hot pixels


> Very, take a >10s exposure with the lens capped and have a look at the
file.

Re: istD Histogram display

[Herb Chong]

i have the auto review turned off. i review only when i think there might be
a problem. since that doesn't happen very often, i save battery power by not
having it on except when i need it.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "George Sinos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: istD Histogram display


> Mark - I read Michael's comment and was puzzled.  I find the histogram
very
> useful but not so critical that I feel the need for it on the short image
> review.  Could this be a matter of working style?  I have my post exposure
> review set to 1 second, the shortest display time.  I don't review every
> shot and only look at the histogram when I'm in a situation where I feel
> the need.  Before I was comfortable with good battery life expectancy I
> considered turning it off completely.

Re: NOW Pentax software WAS the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[Bill Owens]

Odd.

Photoshop, Pentax photo browser, Epson Film Factory and Arcsoft
PhotoImpressions all recognize my Optio S and Igital*Dist jpg's as PIM
files.  The embedded color space off both of them though, need to be changed
to Epson RGB 2001 to print properly.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: NOW Pentax software WAS the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!


> I ALMOST FORGOT!  Pentax FINALLY responded to my request for information
> about the PIM compatibility of the D:
> "Mr. Waters:
>
> Thank you for contacting PENTAX USA, Inc. We are sorry for the response
> delay.
>
> The IST D is not Epson PIM compatible, but it does support EXIF 2.2, which
> is a large subset of the Epson PIM instruction set.
>
> I personally prefer Epson printers, and have found my output to be very
> beautiful.
>
> We hope this information is useful to you. If you have any additional
> questions, comments, or concerns, please feel free to write or contact our
> Dealer & Consumer Services department at 800-877-0155."
>
> Interesting since reading the FM says otherwise.
>
> Cory Waters
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!
>
>
> > I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for my use, and I don't use the
> > Pentax software.  I import directly into Photoshop via PIM.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!
> >
> >
> > > >Also, many thanks to Ruediger Neumann for the link to the German page
> > > discussing Genzo RAW utility.
> > > At the end, the main problem with image quality of the *ist D truly
> looks
> > to
> > > be the bad RAW-JPEG conversion done by the Pentax software. If you do
a
> > good
> > > conversion, the pictures have nothing to envy to Canon's SLR's (and
> > surpass
> > > them well at higher ISO settings).
> > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > >
> > > >Dario Bonazza
> > >
> > > Now this is v-e-r-y interesting.
> > >
> > > Pentax is shooting itself in its own foot with its software.
> > >
> > > Marnie :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[bucky]

Perhaps not, but no one was talking about it being a panacea; that was your 
idea.

Quoting John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> [snip] assuming that using the in-camera implementations is a panacea is
> a leap of faith that I am not prepared to take without seeing evidence.
> 




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Re: Hot pixels

[Herb Chong]

almost every single one. it can be easily masked in software if the software
exists to do it. the masking has to be run for the specific camera to find
its hot pixels. Pentax evidently chose to leave it out and try to get higher
quality sensors, but since the quality control is statistical, some bad ones
slip through. ensuring none slip through would cost more than just replacing
the cameras that come back.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Miers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hot pixels


> Aside from debating this with William who has already spent his money and
> will defend his choice to the end, the hot pixel issue is a new one on me.
> How common is it really in all the other P&S and DSLRs already in
> production.  I never noticed it in either of my P&S digitals yet.

Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle

[graywolf]

Humm...? I can suggest a good shrink. ;)

Isn't Rocky short for Roxanne?

--

frank theriault wrote:

Why would the Russians have anything to say about Rocky and Bullwinkle?

IIRC, Boris and Natasha came from Pottsylvania, not Russia!

BTW, did you know that they actually lived together?  And that they 
weren't married?  Quite shocking, except that since they were godless 
Commies, what else would you expect?  Of course, I'm referring to Boris 
and Natasha.

I always wondered about Rocky and Bullwinkle, though.  Very odd 
relationship, in my books.  Was Rocky a boy squirrel or a girl 
squirrel?  I mean, I know Rocky is usually a boy's name, but I once knew 
a girl named Raquel, whose nickname was Rocky, and that squirrel had a 
high-pitched voice (then again, maybe he hadn't reached puberty).

So did Rocky and Bullwinkle live together?  In a conjugal sense?  Was 
there some interspecies hanky panky going on?

Kind of like Bert and Ernie.  I always thought that was a bit weird, 
too.  Like, where were their parents?

So many questions...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:18:28 -0500
Yes.  Mr. Peabody and his boy, Sherman.  A very clever show and some
very funny cold war spoofs.  I wonder how some of our Russian friends
would react ;-)
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/03 10:41AM >>>
Did not Sherman and Mr Peabody use the way back machine,not Rocky and
Bullwinkle(although
the
segment WAS on their show).
Fractured Fairy Tales next anyone.lol
Dave(boy i'm showing my age)Brooks
And it was a great show:-)
  > Thanks Tom,
> That's really handy!
> I love The Wayback Machine title.
> It's from a TV cartoon series called Rocky & Bullwinkle
> (Rocky the flying squirrel and Bullwinkle Moose)
> The series was extraordinary, hilarious, and very witty.
> The Wayback Machine was their storytelling device to go back in
history.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >  > Shel says the webpage disappeared when he changed his e-mail
address (he
> >  > probably changed ISP's and had the webpage on the previous ISP).
 It's
> not
> >  > up anywhere now, and he didn't say whether he even still had
it.
> >
> >  The Wayback Machine is your friend when that happens!  :-)
> >
> >
 > pentax_repair_shops.html>
>
>



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Re: ist-D grip

[graywolf]

A question about that grip. Is the tripod mount on the lens axis?

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a wiseguy, huh?


Jerome; I bought the grip and also was disappointed with 
the "plasticky" feel.


Stinks, doesn't it? It's no BG-10.


It does balance the camera better and, once attached, feels ok. 
I REALLY like the vertical shutter release complete with Av 
and Tv dials!


Thats what I'm looking forward to; hoping that the functionality overrides the 
mediocre ergonomics... particularly with the controls that you mentioned. I 
can at least say that I agree about the balance part, particularly with a 
heavy lens like the Sigma 24-70 1:2.8. I used that combo last night at a 
birthday party, and the rig just felt lop-sided. Feels better with the grip, 
though. So it's a plus. $160 plus? thats still TBD.

  j.



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Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1382

[Herb Chong]

36 only when you have a fresh roll of film in. on a digital camera, it
replenishes whenever there is a long enough pause in action until the memory
card fills.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1382


> FWIW, most Nikon non-pro SLRs offered 3.0-3.5 fps motor drives, which is
> about on par with the current cheaper DSLRs except that they had a 36 shot
> buffer!

Re: Pentax lens prices

[mishka]

> That's how crazy ebay is.

ebay is not crazy. people who have no idea what they are doing, are.
there's very little need in bidding more than once. preferrably, in the 
last 0.1 second
(sniping that is). and, in general, unless the starting bid is 1c and 
you just using "items i am bidding on"
section to track things, there's basically no need to bid more than 
once, no matter what.
(ok, there are some very special circumstances when it does make sense, 
but i don't want
to go too deep into ebay theory :)
and, no matter what, bidding war is always a bad idea. there's no 
excuse, period.
just bid once, bid the max you care to pay and never open the listing 
page again, until the
game is over.

mishka

Re: NYCPDML warning.

[Herb Chong]

the 22nd is my only day that matches with yours.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Cesar Matamoros II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: NYCPDML warning.


> I should be in NYC the 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 21st, and 22nd.  I
will
> need one of the Saturdays to spend with my sister - I will have to check
> which one, but otherwise I seem to have an open calendar.

Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle

[frank theriault]

Why would the Russians have anything to say about Rocky and Bullwinkle?

IIRC, Boris and Natasha came from Pottsylvania, not Russia!

BTW, did you know that they actually lived together?  And that they weren't 
married?  Quite shocking, except that since they were godless Commies, what 
else would you expect?  Of course, I'm referring to Boris and Natasha.

I always wondered about Rocky and Bullwinkle, though.  Very odd 
relationship, in my books.  Was Rocky a boy squirrel or a girl squirrel?  I 
mean, I know Rocky is usually a boy's name, but I once knew a girl named 
Raquel, whose nickname was Rocky, and that squirrel had a high-pitched voice 
(then again, maybe he hadn't reached puberty).

So did Rocky and Bullwinkle live together?  In a conjugal sense?  Was there 
some interspecies hanky panky going on?

Kind of like Bert and Ernie.  I always thought that was a bit weird, too.  
Like, where were their parents?

So many questions...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: CLA + Rocky & Bullwinkle
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:18:28 -0500
Yes.  Mr. Peabody and his boy, Sherman.  A very clever show and some
very funny cold war spoofs.  I wonder how some of our Russian friends
would react ;-)
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/03 10:41AM >>>
Did not Sherman and Mr Peabody use the way back machine,not Rocky and
Bullwinkle(although
the
segment WAS on their show).
Fractured Fairy Tales next anyone.lol
Dave(boy i'm showing my age)Brooks
And it was a great show:-)
> Thanks Tom,
> That's really handy!
> I love The Wayback Machine title.
> It's from a TV cartoon series called Rocky & Bullwinkle
> (Rocky the flying squirrel and Bullwinkle Moose)
> The series was extraordinary, hilarious, and very witty.
> The Wayback Machine was their storytelling device to go back in
history.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >  > Shel says the webpage disappeared when he changed his e-mail
address (he
> >  > probably changed ISP's and had the webpage on the previous ISP).
 It's
> not
> >  > up anywhere now, and he didn't say whether he even still had
it.
> >
> >  The Wayback Machine is your friend when that happens!  :-)
> >
> >
 > pentax_repair_shops.html>
>
>



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Re: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Rfsindg]

Sure is a handsome lens you have on that Canon!  

> Try http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/spare.html ;-)

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[John Francis]

> 
> It certainly *looks* like it uses a different algorithm to me.  That's all I 
> can go by.  You apparently know otherwise; care to go into the details?

Different doesn't necessarily mean better ...

Maybe it has some of the same bugs.  Maybe it has different bugs.
But assuming that using the in-camera implementations is a panacea is
a leap of faith that I am not prepared to take without seeing evidence.

Re: NOW Pentax software WAS the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[cbwaters]

I ALMOST FORGOT!  Pentax FINALLY responded to my request for information
about the PIM compatibility of the D:
"Mr. Waters:

Thank you for contacting PENTAX USA, Inc. We are sorry for the response
delay.

The IST D is not Epson PIM compatible, but it does support EXIF 2.2, which
is a large subset of the Epson PIM instruction set.

I personally prefer Epson printers, and have found my output to be very
beautiful.

We hope this information is useful to you. If you have any additional
questions, comments, or concerns, please feel free to write or contact our
Dealer & Consumer Services department at 800-877-0155."

Interesting since reading the FM says otherwise.

Cory Waters


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!


> I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for my use, and I don't use the
> Pentax software.  I import directly into Photoshop via PIM.
>
> Bill
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!
>
>
> > >Also, many thanks to Ruediger Neumann for the link to the German page
> > discussing Genzo RAW utility.
> > At the end, the main problem with image quality of the *ist D truly
looks
> to
> > be the bad RAW-JPEG conversion done by the Pentax software. If you do a
> good
> > conversion, the pictures have nothing to envy to Canon's SLR's (and
> surpass
> > them well at higher ISO settings).
> >
> > >Cheers,
> >
> > >Dario Bonazza
> >
> > Now this is v-e-r-y interesting.
> >
> > Pentax is shooting itself in its own foot with its software.
> >
> > Marnie :-)
> >
> >
>
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Re: OT - Apology about the apology

[frank theriault]

Oh, intercourse the penguin!

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT - Apology about the apology
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:32:12 +
And now on BBC 2, an apology.

It has come to our attention that the apology we issued yesterday was the
wrong one and we would like to apologise for that apology.
And now on BBC 1, a penguin on the telly.

*BOOM*



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Re: LX for sale

[frank theriault]

Yowsa!

That ~is~ a good price.  I had to look twice to see if maybe the prices were 
in US bucks, but they are indeed Canadian!

Even less than what I paid for Vic's - but I did get a few lovely "extra 
goodies", and I know that Vic's was well loved and cared for, so I'm still 
very very happy .

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Peter Patershuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LX for sale
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:13:49 -0700
From a observer,
At the main store in Edmonton Alberta is a LX and winder for sale and
the price seems right. I am in no position to purchase. This link
http://www.mcbaincamera.com/index.html under Used Equipment Pentax on the
first page. Peter.
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Re: kicked off?

[frank theriault]

Huh?

Wha'd'I do?  Why am I getting dragged into this?

BTW, Brendan, you missed a great get together on the weekend.  Beer and new 
cameras...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




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Re: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Ryan K. Brooks]

Infinity focus?

Mark Roberts wrote:

"Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Error 404. Har!
   

Try http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/spare.html
 

Re: Is this a Vivitar?

[frank theriault]

It ~does~ look a lot like the Viv Series 1, as Mark astutely pointed out.

Other than looking out for 3.5 constant aperture, and the 67mm filter ring, 
mine has a macro ring between the aperture ring and the big one-touch 
zoom/focus ring.  I don't see one in the picture - maybe it's there, though, 
and also, maybe not all of the S1's had it.

Also, my S1 doesn't have the little raised white dot on the aperture ring 
like the one in the piccie has.  Probably doesn't mean much, though.

Other than the macro ring, it sure looks like one, though.

Let us know...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is this a Vivitar?
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:22:22 -0500
Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Just bought this off ebay:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2962277257&category=29982&rd=1
>
>It was a speculative buy, which could turn a dog. Is that the same as
>a Vivitar? I know Kiron manufactured Series 1 lenses. Is that a
>rebadged something-that-I-could-find-more-info-about?
Well it *looks* a lot like the Vivitar Series 1 that was built by Kiron.
But I thought the Series 1 lenses were designed by Vivitar and just
built by other companies, in which case Kiron wouldn't be licensed to
sell it under their own name. When you get it let us know if it's a
constant f/3.5 aperture and has 67mm filter threads - that's what the
Kiron/Vivitar was. See http://www.robertstech.com/vivitar.htm
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Re: OT - Apology about the apology

[gt6959b]

Cotty!

You. Are. A. Fool!   

... will you teach me?


[inserting a HAR for good measure]

FRANKENCAM v2 - correct URL

[Cotty]

Soo sorry.

Correct URL:



Previous message:

>Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the rear end of
>a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. Well - nearly. I had to do
>a bit of jiggery pokery but an hour later and it's perfectisimo.
>
>Apologies for the hurried snaps:




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Re: ist-D grip

[gt6959b]

> > 

a wiseguy, huh?

> Jerome; I bought the grip and also was disappointed with 
> the "plasticky" feel.

Stinks, doesn't it? It's no BG-10.

> It does balance the camera better and, once attached, feels ok. 
>  I REALLY like the vertical shutter release complete with Av 
> and Tv dials!

Thats what I'm looking forward to; hoping that the functionality overrides the 
mediocre ergonomics... particularly with the controls that you mentioned. I 
can at least say that I agree about the balance part, particularly with a 
heavy lens like the Sigma 24-70 1:2.8. I used that combo last night at a 
birthday party, and the rig just felt lop-sided. Feels better with the grip, 
though. So it's a plus. $160 plus? thats still TBD.

  j.

Re: (long)TOPDML meet and unscientific digital results

[frank theriault]

Sir,

Yes, Sir!

-frank 

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Just get a move-on!!

;-)



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OT - Apology about the apology

[Cotty]

And now on BBC 2, an apology.

It has come to our attention that the apology we issued yesterday was the
wrong one and we would like to apologise for that apology.

And now on BBC 1, a penguin on the telly.

*BOOM*




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Re: Hot pixels

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "tom" 
Subject: RE: Hot pixels


> -Original Message-
> > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Actually, I got lucky with my ist D
> 
> You're a sick, sick man.

Watch it Bub, I apparently don't have a sense of humour.

William Robb

Re: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Mark Roberts]

"Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Error 404. Har!

Try http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/spare.html


>Len
> * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
> 
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:36 PM
>> To: pentax list
>> Subject: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES
>> 
>> 
>> Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the 
>> rear end of
>> a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. Well - nearly. 
>> I had to do
>> a bit of jiggery pokery but an hour later and it's perfectisimo.
>> 
>> Apologies for the hurried snaps:
>> 
>http://www.macads.co.uk/mods/spare.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>  Cotty
>
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RE: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Len Paris]

Error 404. Har!

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES
> 
> 
> Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the 
> rear end of
> a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. Well - nearly. 
> I had to do
> a bit of jiggery pokery but an hour later and it's perfectisimo.
> 
> Apologies for the hurried snaps:
> 
http://www.macads.co.uk/mods/spare.html






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RE: Hot pixels

[tom]

 -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Actually, I got lucky with my ist D

You're a sick, sick man.

tv

RE: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> 3. I saved over a thousand quid - the nearest 50mm Canon do
> is the 50mm
> f/1.0 at £$£$£$£. Canon doesn't do a 1.4, although there is
> a 1.8, zz.

You mean there's no f/1.2. There's a 1.0 (out of production, I think),
1.4 (which I use) and a 1.8.

tv

Re: What is the high-end Pentax lens strategy????

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Nov 2003 at 16:40, William Robb wrote:
 
> I don't think Pentax themselves has any idea of what they have planned for
> the future. I have never seen a company drift so aimlessy as Pentax, and
> still manage to stay afloat.

Perplexing isn't it :-(

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[bucky]

It certainly *looks* like it uses a different algorithm to me.  That's all I 
can go by.  You apparently know otherwise; care to go into the details?

Sure, firmware is software.  And software is nothing but hardware set to a 
certain configuration.  So what?

 
Quoting John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> And you think Pentax firmware encodes a better RAW-to-JPEG conversion
> algorithm than that used in the Pentax Photo Laboratory software?
> 
> Firmware *is* software, anyway.


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RE: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Rob Brigham]

Try http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/spare.html ;-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 10 November 2003 22:36
> To: pentax list
> Subject: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES
> 
> 
> Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the 
> rear end of a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. 
> Well - nearly. I had to do a bit of jiggery pokery but an 
> hour later and it's perfectisimo.
> 
> Apologies for the hurried snaps:
> 
http://www.macads.co.uk/mods/spare.html






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Re: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Keith Whaley]

Tried to take a look at that adapter:

* * *
Error 404: page not found

The page you requested was not found on this web server. This could be
for a variety of reasons, including: 

  • You followed a broken or out-of-date link. 
  • You entered the URL for the page incorrectly. 
  • The page no longer exists. 

If you followed a broken link, please inform the owner of the referring
page. 

* * *

I'm notifying you, Cot...

keith

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the rear end of
> a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. Well - nearly. I had to do
> a bit of jiggery pokery but an hour later and it's perfectisimo.
> 
> Apologies for the hurried snaps:
> 
> http://www.macads.co.uk/mods/spare.html
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[Cotty]

On 10/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>I remain a bit puzzled about how a question about love ended up on the topic 
>of booze.
>
>Marnie aka Doe 

Story of my life!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Hot pixels

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Nov 2003 at 17:12, Dave Miers wrote:

> How common is it really in all the other P&S and DSLRs already in
> production.  I never noticed it in either of my P&S digitals yet.

Very, take a >10s exposure with the lens capped and have a look at the file.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES

[Christian]

I especially like the way you got the big "404" on the lens as well as the
little BSD demon

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: FRANKENCAM v2 LIVES


> Just got my custom made EOS mount that fits sweetly onto the rear end of
> a K50mm f/1.2 - works straight out of the box. Well - nearly. I had to do
> a bit of jiggery pokery but an hour later and it's perfectisimo.
>
> Apologies for the hurried snaps:
>
> http://www.macads.co.uk/mods/spare.html
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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> _
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>

Re: *ist D and Flash

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Speak for yourself.  Never heard of snail racing?
>

You mean like, "let's get the heck outta here, guys, the chef speaks
FRENCH!"

Oh, well... I guess I could manage to get some decent shots at a tai-chi
gathering or a chess tournament...

Jostein

Re: *ist D and Flash

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> a difference which makes no difference, is no difference. empirical
> measurements indicate that there is no reason to dig further.
> 

Yup,

remember what www.pdml.net says on the meaning of the PDML abbreviation:

Parsing Damned Minutiae Loudly...

:-)

Cheers,
Jostein

Re: What is the high-end Pentax lens strategy????

[Bill Owens]

I expect few, if any, new FA lenses of any type.  Pentax, like everyone
else, seems to be going digital.

And in the for what it's worth department; I've heard from a very reliable
source that the largest camera retailer in the USA is having 10,000 rolls of
film going out of date DAILY.  I would hazard a guess that worldwide it
could be close to 500,000.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: What is the high-end Pentax lens strategy


> Do our list friends with connections to Pentax Japan, have any idea what
Pentax plans to do with the FA star lenses???  Are they updating the zoom
line up?  Deleting any?  New limited lenses??
>
> I do not understand Pentax bringing out the ist-D (which is great) for
$1600 or so, and selling them with very cheap, plastic lenses of mediocre
lens quality (or slow).  Does anyone on the list know the direction Pentax
is taking re lenses???
>
> Robert James
>
>

Re: ist-D grip (was dumber and dumberer)

[Bill Owens]

>
> What are others thinking of this grip so far?
>

The reason I got the BG-10 for the MZ-S was mostly for the ability to use AA
batteries instead of the expensive CR-2's.  Since I already have 4 or 5 sets
of NiMh for the Igital*Dist, and at least 4 chargers, I see no reason to
purchase the grip for it.

Bill

Re: Flatbed Scanner Suggestions

[John Dallman]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(graywolf) wrote:

> Look at Heidelberg-Hell scanners. 

We'll call the EMS!

--- 
John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[Butch Black]

I remain a bit puzzled about how a question about love ended up on the topic
of booze.

Marnie aka Doe


A lot of photographers love booze? :)

Wondering if I'll get kicked off the list for not being enough of a drinker?
:)

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: Links page for digital tools

[Jostein]

Take some time to dig into this site.
http://graphicssoft.about.com/

It holds a wealth of links.

Best,
Jostein
-
Pictures at: http://oksne.net
-
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Links page for digital tools


>
> Does anyone think there'd be use for a page listing some more useful tools
for
> the digital darkroom, perhaps organized by freeware/shareware/buyem and by
> application type?  You know, stand alone apps, PS plug-ins, etc.
>
> I myself know that many people mention tools they use for fixing focus,
> sharpening, etc, but I  am simply too busy to go back through all the
posts to
> find those references, even though I'd like to have some of these tools to
play
> with.
>
> I would be interested in having people's input on this.  Mybe I'll slap
> together a page of links with descriptions if there's enough interest.
>
> I will accept submissions of links with short descriptions if anyone is so
> inclined.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
>
>
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>

Re: ist-D grip (was dumber and dumberer)

[gt6959b]

> Unusual amount of common sense and lots of 
> fun to be around.  And Jerome, don't let this go to
> your shiny head :-)

Don't worry, Bill. I'm not trying to make my head any bigger (literally, or 
otherwise) than it already is. If nothing else, I've realized that I've gotta 
use more of those little smiley faces like you when I write... but I hate 
those damn smiley faces!  (insert smiley face). I also can't take for granted 
that, though I've met a few folks, not everyone knows me off list. You, and a 
few others knew exactly where that was headed... but for others I can't assume 
so much. Thus, I stay humbled.

But speaking of pentax gear (HAR), the grip that I mentioned in the previous 
email to you just came in the mail about 20 minutes ago. I feel like I need it 
because, call me snobby but, I've become quite dependent on that vertical 
shutter button. But as for the ergonomics of it... not so impressive. For one, 
I really do NOT like the "plasticky" feel of it. Feels kinda cheap (I hate to 
badmouth Pentax, but it's the truth). But then, that's just me. I doesn't come 
anywhere close to doing for me what the MZ-S grip does for me when attached. 
Now THAT is a thing of beauty. Unlike, the BG-10, I can see myself taking this 
one off and on during use, depending on the circumstances.

But then, I should also add that I haven't really USED it yet; I've just held 
it. So keep that in mind as well.

What are others thinking of this grip so far?

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[bucky]

He knew that's exactly what you meant, as did everyone else that read your 
message.

Quoting Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I was referring to the Photo Laboratory software that I don't use.
> 
> Bill
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for my use, and I don't use the
> > > Pentax software.
> > 
> > Really?  What do you think does the conversion to JPEG, then?
> > 
> > 
> 




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What is the high-end Pentax lens strategy????

[RDJ92807]

Do our list friends with connections to Pentax Japan, have any idea what Pentax plans 
to do with the FA star lenses???  Are they updating the zoom line up?  Deleting any?  
New limited lenses??

I do not understand Pentax bringing out the ist-D (which is great) for $1600 or so, 
and selling them with very cheap, plastic lenses of mediocre lens quality (or slow).  
Does anyone on the list know the direction Pentax is taking re lenses???

Robert James

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[graywolf]

If you recall there was a lot of speculation that the delay in release was do to 
software problems. It seems like they got most of the bugs, but it still needs a 
bit of optimizaion. However, since that is a field upgradable area, it will be 
just a matter of time before the new firmware is available.

--

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Also, many thanks to Ruediger Neumann for the link to the German page
discussing Genzo RAW utility.
At the end, the main problem with image quality of the *ist D truly looks to
be the bad RAW-JPEG conversion done by the Pentax software. If you do a good
conversion, the pictures have nothing to envy to Canon's SLR's (and surpass
them well at higher ISO settings).

Cheers,


Dario Bonazza


Now this is v-e-r-y interesting. 

Pentax is shooting itself in its own foot with its software.

Marnie :-)


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Flatbed Scanner Suggestions

[Pat White]

Sid Barras wrote:

I got the epson 3170, recently discontinued, from Adorama for the incredibly
low price of $179-- basically the same specs as the 3200 and the 3400.

Pat White replies:

It's hard to keep track, with Epson introducing new models with dizzying
frequency, but I was under the impression that the 3170 was just introduced
a couple of months ago, as a less expensive version of the 3200, without the
transparency adapter lid that comes with the 3200.  It's a good deal if you
don't need to scan slides or negatives.

As for the 3200 PRO, the addition of Monaco EZcolor could be very
worthwhile.  I don't have it, but I'm wondering what I'm missing.  It sounds
like it could save a lot of time, paper, and ink.  Has anyone tried it?

Pat White

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Keith Whaley wrote:
> 
> graywolf wrote:
> >
> > I remember being in the package store near Christmas one year. The lady ahead of
> > me in line told the clerk she wanted their best bottle of brandy for her
> > husbands boss's Christmas preasent. I thought they were going to have to call
> > the EMS for her when they range it up.
> 
> One more example of "Know the PRICE first!"
> 
> On the other hand, I hope she bought it!
> Let the BOSS get a heart attack!  

No, she'll have bought it on her husband's card and she'll be spending
the life insurance money at New Year.

8-)

Re: kicked off?

[Bill Owens]

I had the same problem last week.  Turned out to be something in MailWasher
causing the problem.  Since I uninstalled it, no problems.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: kicked off?


>
> Perhaps it thought it was doing me a favor, but the PDML unsubscribed me
> due to "too many bounced e-mails".  Is this a known peculiarity of the
> list administration software or is it likely to actually reflect a
> hitherto-unknown problem with my e-mail account?  I don't offhand know any
> reason why my ISP would have bounced any legitimate e-mail.
>
> I've resubscribed to digest for now, both to avoid antagonizing the list
> software and to better handle the volume this list generates.
>
> DJE
>
>
>

Re[2]: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1392

[Bruce Dayton]

I'm doing the same thing with AF400T's - Quantum Battery 2 on my belt
- much lighter than having the entire flash/battery being held by my
arms.  The 67 is heavy enough!

Bruce



Monday, November 10, 2003, 12:20:44 PM, you wrote:


WR> - Original Message - 
WR> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

WR> Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1392


>> Now the real reason for going to the 10D comes out: less weight (but only
WR> if
>> you drop someother stuff too). I though you were some big tough guy. Not a
>> broken down wreck lke me.
>> My camera body/lens/flash/bracket/transmitter/cables/batteries (not the
WR> ones
>> for the flash) weighs 4 - 5 lbs.

WR> This is one of the reasons for my going with the Metz 60 series. Much of the
WR> flash weight is taken off the flash head and put onto the separate battery
WR> pack, which is carried on a shoulder strap.
WR> Still not light, but not as heavy.

WR> William Robb

Re: dumber and dumberer

[Bill Owens]

Not to worry, Jerome is no where near the nerd type PhD.  Unusual amount of
common sense and lots of fun to be around.  And Jerome, don't let this go to
your shiny head :-)

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: dumber and dumberer


> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:44:51 -0500
> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > _
> > Jerome D. Coombs-Reyes, Ph.D.   <-- look collin...lots of gray matter!
:o)
> > Industrial & Systems Engineering
> > Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> Perhaps so.
> :(
>
> I've also met PhD's with little common sense, while at the same time very
intelligent.
>
> Yet I reacted as if reading some of those trolls on the NGs.
>
> Collin
>
>

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[Bill Owens]

I was referring to the Photo Laboratory software that I don't use.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!


> > 
> > I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for my use, and I don't use the
> > Pentax software.
> 
> Really?  What do you think does the conversion to JPEG, then?
> 
> 

Re: Falsh bracket

[Keith Whaley]

Who shtarted thish, anyhow?  

*parp*

[rest snipped. . .]

[apologies to Cotty!]

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[Keith Whaley]

graywolf wrote:
> 
> I remember being in the package store near Christmas one year. The lady ahead of
> me in line told the clerk she wanted their best bottle of brandy for her
> husbands boss's Christmas preasent. I thought they were going to have to call
> the EMS for her when they range it up.

One more example of "Know the PRICE first!"

On the other hand, I hope she bought it!
Let the BOSS get a heart attack!  

keith whaley

Re[6]: Falsh bracket

[Bruce Dayton]

Bill,

Just tried it - works ok.  I think the shutter release button on the
67II and 67 are in a slightly different location.  The 67II is on the
right grip slanted down when holding normal.  Bit of a stretch to
reach in the manner you described - not impossible.

Right now, with the left wood grip on and the camera turned vertical
with shutter button up, the wood grip rests at the front of my palm
and my fingers comfortably reach the focus ring.  Feels much more
comfortable.

I'll try your suggestion a bit and see if it becomes any more
comfortable.


Thanks,

Bruce



Monday, November 10, 2003, 12:23:48 PM, you wrote:


WR> - Original Message - 
WR> From: "Bruce Dayton"
WR> Subject: Re[4]: Falsh bracket


>> I don't shoot nearly as much as you that way - only part time for me.
>>  However, the flash attaches on the 67 on the left side.  The shutter
>>  button needs to be on top when shooting vertical.

WR> Bruce, try cradling the camera with the shutter button down, and use your
WR> right thumb to release the shutter.
WR> The camera body will sit across the palm of your right hand, and your left
WR> hand will be able to focus the lens.

WR> William Robb

kicked off?

[edwin]

Perhaps it thought it was doing me a favor, but the PDML unsubscribed me 
due to "too many bounced e-mails".  Is this a known peculiarity of the 
list administration software or is it likely to actually reflect a 
hitherto-unknown problem with my e-mail account?  I don't offhand know any 
reason why my ISP would have bounced any legitimate e-mail.

I've resubscribed to digest for now, both to avoid antagonizing the list
software and to better handle the volume this list generates.

DJE 

Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[bucky]

The Pentax firmware, of course.  What do *you* think does it?

Quoting John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > 
> > I find ***L jpeg to be more than enough for my use, and I don't use the
> > Pentax software.
> 
> Really?  What do you think does the conversion to JPEG, then?
> 




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Re: My eBay listings

[graywolf]

Oh, good grief, Bill. You lose your sense of humor somewhere? You don see his 
400/2.8 on that ebay list do you?

William Robb wrote:

Well, you just fucked yourself as far as I am concerned.
You are either trying to sell defective equipment, or you are too stupid to
live.
Either way, I wouldn't be buying equipment from you.
William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: My eBay listings



Hey PDML. Here to announce some goodies on eBay.

The short of it is that I have a handful of Pentax gear available:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=mawhouse&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1

If that link doesn't work, then try an advanced search for auctions by
seller "Mawhouse".
As for more details of why I'm selling...

After traveling all across the country I realized that Pentax is not the
way.

I should've known better when everywhere I looked, no matter where I was,
and

never saw another Pentax. I was the only one around using Pentax, and once
I

got back I was able to see that my photos were horrible! I was so
disgusted.

And of course I have no doubt that it was the camera (it sure as hell
wasn't

me!). Pentax stinks. It doesn't take outstanding photos. The compositions
were

all wrong. The lighting, too. The camera doesn't even follow the rule of
thirds! So I'm dumping all of my equipment, and making the big switch.
Can't

quite afford to go digital though.

So I'm going disposable.

Yep, I'm dumping everything and switching to Kodak. Disposable cameras are
the

wave of the future. heck, it's the # 1 selling camera in the world. it has
to

be that for a reason, right? The optics must be incredible. And the
packaging

is downright sexy... not to mention that the directions are printed right
there on the back! (genius!)  Which means no more stupid mailing lists for
tough technical questions. Man, I'm gonna love this.
The future is here. And it's not just bright. It's overexposed!

Wish me luck.
   - jerome
PS... thanks for looking. For those that plan to bid, good luck to you,
too!





--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1382

[edwin]

> - Original Message - 
> From: "jmb"
> Subject: Re: my ist-D samples
> 
> > Is the ist D always ready to expose when the shutter button
> > is pressed?  Any delay clearing the buffer and writing to the
> > card?  I've also read here in PDML (or was it DPReview?) that
> > on focus priority that when a manual focus lens is used (all I
> > have) that the exposure is made as soon as the image in the VF
> > appears focused while pressing the shutter button.
> 
> It will do 5 shots in rapid succession, then it kaks while the buffer
> clears, which takes 12 seconds per image.
> In real life, it means you can take 5 shots in a couple of seconds, then
> take another shot every 12 seconds.
> I don't think this would be a good camera for someone who is shooting with a
> motordrive to get maximum framage. The camera is frustratingly slow if you
> want to take a lot of pictures quickly.
> I have, on many occassions, blasted full 36 exposure rolls in under a minute
> when shooting fashion, and have shot 20 exposure rolls in the 6x7 in less
> than a couple of minutes.
> For this sort of thing, film is still better.
> 
> William Robb

As I've said, Pentax never seems to really believe in motor drives.  With 
the *istD, at least the cost of buffer space and such can be offered as a 
reason for the slower performance.

Both the Nikon D2H and Canon EOS1D DSLRs will do 8 frames per second 
"motor drive", with 40 and 25(?) shot buffers respectively plus as long a 
"roll of film" as you can afford.  At the pro level, digital is definitely 
better than film for this sort of thing.  I know guys who said they were 
draining 6 Nikon batteries a game, or roughly 3000 exposures.  Wouldn't 
want to do that with film!  At 8 fps the F5 sure hit frame 36 in a hurry.

And yes, the cheaper Nikon D100 and Canon EOS10D are pretty much on par 
with the *istD in terms of "motor drive".  The 300D is worse.

FWIW, most Nikon non-pro SLRs offered 3.0-3.5 fps motor drives, which is 
about on par with the current cheaper DSLRs except that they had a 36 shot 
buffer!

DJE

Re: dumber and dumberer

[Francis Alviar]

I was wondering when someone will reply to that
original post "politely".  I knew there was something
about that post when I got to the part about the "rule
of thirds" thing but didn't want to start anything by
saying something hence I just waited.

Good one!


Francis M. Alviar

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:10:06 +0200
From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi!

Jerome, actually the rules of thirds part made me
chuckle somewhat.
Then I saw the auctions and the e-mail address you
give in the
descriptions. Then I realized you forgot to put some
smileys or
letters in angle brackets, or else.

And then William let his tongue slip, well, way slip,
well, may I say
fall out...

Anyway, shake hands and behave, will you?

Boris

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Re: Hot pixels

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Miers"
Subject: Re: Hot pixels


> I'm liking the idea all of the sudden more and more that I get a new
sensor
> with each new roll of film.  HAR!

Yup, and then you give it to someone whom you just hope doesn't damage it in
some way before you get to see whats on it.

William Robb

OT: yet another stupid open apology letter

[gt6959b]

See. This is why I stay unsubscribed and stick to the archives! I’m forever 
getting myself in trouble! I couldn’t even do something as simple as 
announcing my eBay auctions without sparking an old fashioned western high 
noon shoot out. Dang blasted those corny jokes! They get me every time.

Anyhow, given that it has been suggested off-list that I go indulge in single-
handed sexual acts of pleasure (i.e., go screw myself), I’m guessing that not 
everyone found my previous post amusing. But in all honesty, I feel like this: 
If you do something dumb to draw attention to yourself, then just stand up and 
take the ridicule. Hey, we all make mistakes. Come on, Billy, you publicly 
called me stupid when in fact it was you that missed the boat. Big time!  
How can you not see the humor in that? Besides, you were quick enough to dish 
it out. So likewise, I kinda thought you could take the lumps that were coming 
your way (you know, the silly old “you can’t have it both ways” adage).  But I 
was sadly mistaken.

With that said, I will say that I admittedly went overboard in my retort. 
Albeit indirectly, I referred to a couple of list members as stupid. That was 
flat-out wrong, and I sincerely apologize for my actions in this respect. I 
realize now that “Silly”, at best, would have been more appropriate… but in 
hindsight (or maybe just not saying a damn thing... hmmm. I should try that 
some time ). I see that using words like stupid and dumb were going 
overboard; making myself look just as stupid and/or dumb as my nay Sayers. 
Besides, if you didn’t catch the humor the first time around, then I should 
have known better than to try my luck a second time. I’m quick to laugh at 
myself, and sometimes forget that not everyone can. A total lapse of judgment 
on my part. Again, my most sincere apologies. And by the way, thanks Collin 
for not taking my comments to heart so much.

Okay. But enough with the sappy open letter. Let’s kiss (wink) and make up. 
There are way more important things for all of us to be concerned with… like 
how high each of you should bid on my current eBay auctions… or remembering 
how to work those dang blasted kill-files so that you can promptly add me to 
them.

Yours truly,
Idiot Child


PS. No need for responses. This fire has enough fuel. Instead, it would be 
quite marvelous if we could just move on.

Re: Flatbed Scanner Suggestions

[graywolf]

No, the Epson 3200 is not high-end, it is not even mid-line, it is a very good 
consumer grade scanner though.

--

Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

tei> Hi gang,

tei> I would like to buy a very good quality flatbed scanner for the 
tei> purpose of scanning old photographs which will be repaired and 
tei> retouched in Photoshop, and later reproduced as a finished product.

tei> It would seem that very high resolution and quality would be 
tei> important, and good speed would be very useful. I'd like to have 
tei> enough information scanned so that there will be a lot of headroom to 
tei> work in Photoshop.

tei> Thanks!

tei> Tyrone

Indeed the Epson 3200 is high end. I have recently bought a second
hand Epson 2450 and been very satisfied. If you wish I could send you
some samples off-list. But if you have money then perhaps the 3200 is
the way to go.
HTH.

Boris


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Re: Flatbed Scanner Suggestions

[graywolf]

Look at Heidelberg-Hell scanners. Then decide you want a fairly good one (grin).

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi gang,

I would like to buy a very good quality flatbed scanner for the 
purpose of scanning old photographs which will be repaired and 
retouched in Photoshop, and later reproduced as a finished product.

It would seem that very high resolution and quality would be 
important, and good speed would be very useful. I'd like to have 
enough information scanned so that there will be a lot of headroom to 
work in Photoshop.

Thanks!

Tyrone



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Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1390

[edwin]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >From what I've read, for Pro games (which are played in much better lit
> >arenas), still shooters set up multiple radio slaved flashes in the
> >rafters/cat walks above the court. Now the pro players may be used to flash,
> >and anyway, most wildlife and athletes don't seem to notice flashs.
> >
> >BR
> >
> >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I would not use flash ever in a
> >sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad
> >form.
> 
> I must be honest and say that I have never photographed a basketball
> match, either pro or am , and so the protocols may well allow flash. I
> would be astonished if they did from the touchline or whatever line it's
> called in basketball. Slaved flash going off from above or bounced may
> well present less of a distraction to players - after all, fans sit in
> the stands flashing left, right and centre - so they have to cope with that.
> 
> But direct flash at eye level on the playing floor would be a definite
> no-no in my book..

This may be a bit late, but...

I've shot hooked up to Basketball arena strobe systems.  The only "no-no" 
is to fire the strobes when the players are shooting a free throw (until 
the ball is released).  These systems are always mounted high, as 
mentioned.  Sometimes the fans apparently complain about the flashes!

I've NEVER seen anybody using flash on camera from any of the standard 
positions on the floor (corners, under the hoop) except at high school games.   
Eye-level flash in sports can get you in trouble, usually from the 
referee.  In most college and pro venues you don't need flash anyway 
unless you are shooting for some glossy pro publication in which case you 
usually either have your own strobe system to put in the ceiling or can 
talk your way into time-share on one of the existing systems.

I even shoot high school games without flash, both to avoid annoying 
people and because the look of flash-on-camera in a dark gym is nasty.
Yeah, it means fast film and fast lenses.  I put a lot of mileage on my
85/1.4 A* in college!

DJE  

RE: NYCPDML warning.

[Amita Guha]

Cool. Count me in for something...I should be free every day except the
12th...

> -Original Message-
> From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)
> Subject: NYCPDML warning.
> 
> 
> I will be taking a trip north this week.
> 
> I should be in NYC the 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 21st, 
> and 22nd.  I will need one of the Saturdays to spend with my 
> sister - I will have to check which one, but otherwise I seem 
> to have an open calendar.
> 
> This time I will be staying in the Bronx.  Within easy access 
> to mass transit.
> 
> Hoping to get to to see a few of you at least,
> 
> César
> Panama City, Florida
> 
> 

Re: Hot pixels

[Dave Miers]

I'm liking the idea all of the sudden more and more that I get a new sensor
with each new roll of film.  HAR!
- Original Message -
From: "alex wetmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Hot pixels


> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Uh, what are hot pixels?
> >
> > Defects in the sensor?
>
> Yes, they are pixels which always report that they have seen more
> light than they have really seen.
>
> If you look at the picture that I posted from my defective *ist D
> you'll see plenty of examples.
>
> alex
>
>

Re: Let's talk MV for a bit... (off-topic question)

[graywolf]

I remember being in the package store near Christmas one year. The lady ahead of 
me in line told the clerk she wanted their best bottle of brandy for her 
husbands boss's Christmas preasent. I thought they were going to have to call 
the EMS for her when they range it up.

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John Francis wrote:

Dang. Where are you located?  I'll take the Caol Ila and the Laphroig, 
thank you.  I can almost taste the briny sea air in the Caol Ila!


I'm in sunny California (not that it's too sunny today), right in
the heart of Silicon Valley - San Jose, to be precise.
 

How 'bout Armagnacs, ever try those?  Love them for a little relaxing 
after dinner slow sipping drink.


Yep. Got a couple of Armagnacs, and a few varieties of Cognac.


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Re: Pentax lens prices

[graywolf]

Heck, I bid on something a couple of weeks ago, the week before the same item 
(relisted)had not had a single bid so I figured I would get it no problem. Guess 
what 30+ bids and it sold for more than I would ever have considered bidding and 
I was willing to pay a fair price (around what several completed items had sold 
for. They are just sitting out there, Marnie, then when they see one of us bid 
on an item, the go into a frenzy to make sure we don't get it.

Oh? Wait. I use a sniping service so they can not know am going to place a bid 
unless they are telepathic.

(GRIN)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Graywolf wrote:


Remember many folks who by from Ebay are out in the boonies and there are no 
shops that sell reasonalbly nearby. They are also not knowledgable about the 
NYC 
places. So what seems like a lot to us, may seem like a bargain to them.

True. But I've done searches on completed items and found the same things 
selling cheaper a month ago (approx.). Consistently cheaper. So I would tend to 
conclude there is some reason for that. Either the advent of DSLRs (and more 
people buying them all the time), the approach of Xmas, or the alignment of the 
planets. :-)

But, IIRC, RIGHT before Christmas is a good time to bid. 

OTOH, I've never quite figured out why when *I* leap in on an auction, 80-90% 
the bidding goes higher than it did a week ago (completed items) on the same 
thing. How does *that* happen?  ;-)

It must be sort like the umbrella thing.

I got in a stupid bidding war with one guy last week. FOUR DAYS before the 
close, we bid a lens up $50 in about two hours. Then I realized what was 
happening -- we were both staking out territory. Claiming it as ours. That was too 
silly so far ahead, so I dropped out. Bidding can be insane, appealing to our 
competitive natures. When it isn't really ABOUT that, it's about getting what we 
want the cheapest that we can. 

Bidding in the last 3 minutes is still best, if it hasn't already gone too 
high by then. Trouble is, one can't always be online at the time.

Marnie aka Doe  Ebay is dangerous. ;-)


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Re: And now: the *ist D vs. the EOS 300D!

[John Francis]

> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >I would be surprised if new firmware and software is not out soon.  Every 
> >review has mentioned the weak software the the inadequate in-camera sharpening 
> >tools, and this list is replete with complaints about the RAW conversion issue 
> >particularly.
> 
> Michael Reichmann also complained about not being able to view the
> histogram during post-exposure image review (as opposed to later image
> playback). I didn't have time to check on this during by brief shoot
> with the *ist-D but if this true he's right that it's a serious flaw,
> IMO. But it's something that they ought to be able to address with a
> firmware update.

To some extent that complaint reflects old-time thinking, where there
was far more separation between image capture and playback modes.

With the *ist-D I can push the "playback" button to see the last image
whenever I want, and then push the "info" button to get the histogram.
I'm not stuck with some arbitrary choice of post-exposure review time;
in fact I usually set review down to one second, just to confirm that
I got an exposure.  But if I want to get the histogram I can get to it,
and an indefinite review period, without ever leaving ready-to-shoot.

It's also a mischaracterisation to describe the in-camera sharpening
tools as inadequate.  The main complaint is that the default value for
the sharpening is too low, but even that opinion is not universally held;
there are several people on this and other lists who are in 100% agreement
with Pentax's decision to keep the default sharpening at a low level.

Re: dumber and dumberer

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin Brendemuehl"
Subject: Re: dumber and dumberer



>
> I've also met PhD's with little common sense, while at the same time very
intelligent.
>
> Yet I reacted as if reading some of those trolls on the NGs.

I reacted like as if I had read previous posts of his...

William Robb

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1392

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1392


> Now the real reason for going to the 10D comes out: less weight (but only
if
> you drop someother stuff too). I though you were some big tough guy. Not a
> broken down wreck lke me.
> My camera body/lens/flash/bracket/transmitter/cables/batteries (not the
ones
> for the flash) weighs 4 - 5 lbs.

This is one of the reasons for my going with the Metz 60 series. Much of the
flash weight is taken off the flash head and put onto the separate battery
pack, which is carried on a shoulder strap.
Still not light, but not as heavy.

William Robb

Re: Re[4]: Falsh bracket

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton"
Subject: Re[4]: Falsh bracket


> I don't shoot nearly as much as you that way - only part time for me.
>  However, the flash attaches on the 67 on the left side.  The shutter
>  button needs to be on top when shooting vertical.

Bruce, try cradling the camera with the shutter button down, and use your
right thumb to release the shutter.
The camera body will sit across the palm of your right hand, and your left
hand will be able to focus the lens.

William Robb