Re: Can anyone identify this flower?
Mark Roberts wrote: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] - boilogosts apparently haven't been able Can I have a copy of your spell checker? :-) Har! I think boilogosts is actually a pretty cool word. Proposals for definitions now being accepted... Maybe I'll post this to my Scrabble list :) How about It's hot here in August ??? OR a pot used for cooking spirits ... or or...maybe I jsut better let this drop ann -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Can anyone identify this flower?
and..oh yeah -- lovely shot , Mark! annsan
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Aye. Myself and spouse. Possibly rugrats as well (negotiations with grandparents for kennelling of same have not been concluded.) I eat pepperoni, as do the rugrats; spouse does too but also eats additional stuff if available. ERN
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
On 11/5/04, BRUCE D, discombobulated, offered: I tend to agree. For Pentax, selling a bit downstream into the 300D market makes a lot of sense. There are many sales to be had. Going upstream from the *istD, however, seems much more difficult. Two big reasons to me. 1) Canon and Nikon have multiple models in that segment - these are very well received and very well endowed - the best Pentax would be able to do is a me too type of camera that would be selling into the $3000-5000 range. Not many buyers and very few Pentax buyers. 2) When moving upstream to higher end bodies, the system surrounding the camera becomes much more important. The lack of IS, USM and high speed glass, especially in the zoom category is a big weakness for Pentax and would need to be released about the same time or at least shown that these things will be available shortly. This is not going to happen. My guess is that you are going to see the next generation *istD rather than an upper model (in a sense, it will be an upper model to the current *istD spec) - probably bigger sensor (megapixels, not necessarily size), a few new/more features, fixes to problems in existing *istD, etc. The *ist D will slowly phase out as stock is depleted. I was going to write virtually the same thing - honest. This is my feeling exactly. Actually, if Pentax had any sense and listened to the brains on this list, the *ist D mark 2 could be a very special camera indeed... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Um... I was referring to the mammalian part of yoghurt... :-) Jostein - Original Message - No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) Mark, Now I'm puzzled... How do you make yoghurt without animal parts? :-) You don't. That's the point: It contains whole, live animals (bacteria). -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
On 11/5/04, tv, discombobulated, offered: Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. PEPPERONI! 8-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Munich and Dublin
Have a nice trip Alex! I don't think you'll encounter too many difficulties in shooting. Just shoot away till someone tells you you can't. Then you ask - Why not? and depending on the answer you either go on shooting or stop... I visited Munich twice a long time ago. I liked it. People were friendly and offered me and my friend places to stay each night. I went to the Olympic Stadium and took a few shots with a borrowed Instamatic. I'm a sports nut. Then there were all the bier houses, like the Hofbraühaus with some historic background so to speak. There was a Tyroler brass band in funny lederhosen and big breasted ladies carrying around more and bigger buckets of bier than you and I will ever be able to carry... Oh yes, there are the Pinakotheks - Die Alte, Neue and der Moderne - don't miss them. Great collections of art. (I was hitch hiking through Europe, visiting as many Art museums in as many capitals I could.) And of course, I almost forgot - look up the Lenbach-haus, a great small museum of (mostly?) German expressionist art. A great little beautiful museum. I never visited Dublin, but I've met many nice people from there. They are pretty cool and friendly. (If you run into Adrian Smith - kind of curly hair if he's still got any - say hello from me, will you. Very nice guy.) Report to the list with photos when you get back. Bon voyage, Lasse - Original Message - From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: OT: Munich and Dublin Hello, everybody! It's me again... this time, I'll go for about a week in Munich, then I'll be in Dublin (for another week). And I leave tomorrow! It will be my first international travel (except for a 1-day trip in Bulgaria) and for the first time I'll be in an airplane... I must confess, I'm quite scared about this (and of course I recently saw 'Disasters' on Discovery Channel; very encouraging.). This is a business trip, but I'll have some spare time in which I intend to take some photographs and see interesting places. So, any advice will be appreciated... and I'd also like to know what am I allowed to photograph and what not. I'll be looking for some (cheap) second hand photo stuff, I don't have much money right now but who knows (I found - in Romania - an auto-extension tube set for 30 euros, maybe I can find for the same amount any of the Pentax Limiteds -slap! slap! wake up, Alex!! - grin). If you know a good photo store, pls. let me know about it. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any PDML meeting there the next week (nor in Dublin), I'd really like to meet some of you - as I won't go to GFM this year :( Btw: after some delicate calculations, I'll decide if I must unsubscribe for that period (I mean, if my 10MB account can't store messages for about 2 weeks). I'll try to read the messages anyway, at least from the mail archive (and the personal emails of course). 10x, Alex Sarbu
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
Nice one! John On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:50:56 -0400, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini Rather than relying on your spell checker you should use your noodle. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: OT - where I deserve to be!
I'm back out on paroll. Oh damn. So I won't be able to keep this Powerbook battery that just arrived? (I'd thought that Mac laptops were hand cranked or steam powered or something...) See you at GFM. ;-) Thanks Mark. You'll make tv jealous - he thought he was the Postmaster General. That battery is a 6600 MAH battery, claiming 37% extra over the standard unit - and the 2 standard units I have are good for an hour and for 10 minutes respectively. Well, they are three years old, so time to bite the bullet... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Kingdom Monera not Animals (Kingdom Amimalia) Christian former boilogost - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: PDML GFM Roll Call Hi, No parts? You like 'em whole? They're too hard to swallow that way! No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) at the risk of starting another OT science thread, er, I don't think bacteria are animals, are they? -- Cheers, Bob
Re: PAW: Venice Beach Compressed
No, that's Mussells. Bob Blakely wrote: It is a shellfish sold in many restaurants, ya'know.. From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, but Muscle is listed on the restaurant's outdoor menu! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: Photomagazin Test
-Original Message- From: jtainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:30 PM Cesar, this is just my inference from the number of people who have bought one, then complained on the list about something not working right. Just a few minutes ago, Steve complained about his spot autofocus not working properly. The observation is merely my impression, but I have not had this impression from list discussions of any other body. Joe Do you follow Nikon, Canon, or Olympus mailing lists? Christian
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Bob W wrote: Hi, No parts? You like 'em whole? They're too hard to swallow that way! No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) at the risk of starting another OT science thread, er, I don't think bacteria are animals, are they? This one will run and run..
Re: Washington State trip
Thanks for all the advice re places to visit in Washington State. Unfortunately it looks like I have three colleagues with me, and they may not want to spend two days driving round the Pacific coast. We'll see how it goes. Anyway, it sounds like there are plenty of photogenic sites in Seattle itself environs. Cheers Andy - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Washington State trip Cycad wrote: Hi, I have to visit Seattle on business next month and I intended to arrive a few days early to get over the jet lag. I had planned to hire a car and drive down to Mt. St. Helens or the Olympic penisula for some landscape photo opportunities. Unfortunately the departmental secretary booked me onto a flight that gets in at about 8pm, so I'll have just 2 full days of free time. Just don't miss the Pike Place Market... Taking a ferry across the sound to one of the Islands or the Peninsula , staying over then returning to Seattle is a thought , too.. But Seattle itself is quite wonderful... Just hanging out around Pioneer square and the waterfront by Pike Place - doing a short ferry trip - would be enough and more leisurely. Hope you like salmon and dungeness crab -- yum! Seattle is a seafood lovers paradise.. annsan
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) at the risk of starting another OT science thread, er, I don't think bacteria are animals, are they? I think some are classified as animals and some as plants. tv is gonna love wading through all this looking for pizza choices. D'oh!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Aye Pig parts or chicken chunksonions are good too. GP or O can be picked off but those little fish ruin the whole pie... Cory about 85% sure he's coming. There's a HUGE project I'm intensely involved in that's going to be kicking-off around then but, wellI already paid, right? ;) - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: PDML GFM Roll Call Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. tv --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 5/8/2004
RE: Can anyone identify this flower?
Boilogosts: juvenile male grasshoppers? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Pentax Takumar 4.5/500 lens
Hi Mel, On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:54:07 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, newbie here with a request for advice. I've been given a screwmount Pentax Takumar 4.5/500 lens ... It's a fast lens. It's a long lens. It's _FREE_! Keep it and have some long range fun. Or I'll send my address and you can send it to me. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: A tale of two cameras
Ja, Unt den who vill be crying like a little baby! Who vill run all de vay home on his little girly-legs, unt cry to his mama unt all like dat! Little girly-boy frank, dat's who!! -Ah-nold da Gov-uh-nah The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] You won't feel sorry for her after she has used the thing for a couple of years, has muscled up like Arnie and snaps your pencil neck for mocking her. William Robb _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: how gravity works...
Yes, because Wheatfield is known for his subtlety. LOL -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or is this a particulalry subtle comment. . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/04 10:56AM Hi William... I just got two empty messages from you, via pdml list. Are you knowingly having problems? keith whaley William Robb wrote: _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: how gravity works...
Ah, that's better! The Bill Robb we all know and love... g For a moment there, I thought I had entered a Bizarro Universe or something. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] It allows me to participate in a partcularly stupid, meaningless and off topic thread, saying as much that makes sense an anything else that has been expounded on the topic, but at the same time, wasting as little band width as possible. With luck, others will get the hint. William Robb _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Enabled with an istD!
Amita, When you're done with him, can I marry him? Seriously, that's very cool. Congrats on the *ist D. Actually, I was being serious the first time. g cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 'Herb Chong' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enabled with an istD! Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:51:52 -0400 My husband just gave me an early birthday present so I'd have it for the NYCPDML outing on Saturday. I am beside myself with shock. Now I have to rethink my kit for Saturday. Gotta sit down with the manual and get familiar with this puppy. Big thanks to Herb for being Nate's Pentax consultant. ;) Amita _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PDML GFM Roll Call
Hi, tom, 1) Aye! 2) Coffee grounds cheers, frank ps: Seriously, I don't have a favourite topping; there are so many, who can choose? So, I'll go with a boring old standby: Pepperoni. Wait! No! Italian sausage. Make it Hot Italian Sausage. Definitely sticking with Hot Italian Sausage. Yup. No changing my mind now... -ft The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PDML GFM Roll Call Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:45:57 -0400 Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. tv _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: *istD a Poor Man's color meter?
Hello All: Assume: Set the white balance of an *istD to Flash. Make a properly exposed photo of a gray card ... by Flash. Make properly exposed photos of a gray card ... by ambient light only in various ambient lighting situations (all-tungsten, tungsten-daylight mix, various fluorescent-lit environments, etc.). Read and record the RGB values of all the gray card images using Mac's Digital Color Meter utility or Photoshop. Question: Is there then a way to use the difference between the RGB values of the Flash gray card exposure, and the RGB values of the various no-flash ambient lighting gray card exposures to determine a suitable filter to place over the flash to match the ambient light? Simple answer: Yes (more or less). In fact some flashes come with a set of filters and diffusers, which quite often include a filter to balance the flash to tungsten lights. More complicated answer: Yes, but with some reservations. To truly match the flash to the ambient light, you need a filter that converts the whole power spectrum of the flash to the profile of the ambient lighting. That can't be done from just a three-value measurement (the R, G B values). In practice this doesn't matter, as most lights (and most materials) have fairly smooth frequency spectra, so you can get close enough by just matching the curves at a few points. Finally, assume no filter over the lens ... just match the flash output to the ambient light, and color-correct the image globally in PS after-the-fact, or in-camera by custom-white balance or by choosing an optimal camera WB setting. If you want to correct after-the-fact, shoot RAW.
RE: PAW - Jens Bladt
Thanks, Attila. You are very kind! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Boros Attila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 11. maj 2004 10:18 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: PAW - Jens Bladt Hello Jens, Monday, May 10, 2004, 7:40:38 PM, you wrote: JB Just a flower on a tree - Appleblossom. JB SONY DSC F717, f8, 1/125 sec. (0.3 minus correction), a tripod and a little JB rain. JB http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4389319.html I like the raindrops, and those tree sprouts create a special balance. Nice work. Attila
RE: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits
Sometimes I come home from a party, and once I develop the film find pix of me. I don't know how they got there. I can only assume that someone took them. I usually don't recall who, though. Do those count as self portraits? -frank ps: other than that, no, I haven't taken self-portraits. good question, though... The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:57:56 +0200 Since I got so much answers on my last surveys, here is another one: 1 have you ever made self portraits ? 2 If yes , serious ore funny ones, did you choose a theme ? 3 If no, why not? 4 How did you do it, with a remote control or the build in self timer ? thanks and readers of my last email know why I ask! Markus (in a yellow grey striped Sing-Sing night dress) _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: OT: a little of politics and news (Chechnya)
BTW, Lev Nikolayeitch Tolstoy wrote several stories on the region, which are essential to understanding even the current conflict: Hadzi Murat Caucasian prisoner BW I have seen movies of both those stories, and I have read 'Prisoner of BW the Caucasus' - brilliant stories and movies. My best friend is a BW half-Georgian woman, which is in the same region. I would very much BW like to visit that part of the world. So would I. An interesting part of the world, with very interesting customs and whole culture, if somewhat (sometimes a lot) different from ours. I have had the luck to meet many people from the region, mostly refugees to our country. BTW, which movie did you see? The only adaptation of Prisoner of the Caucasus that I saw was set in modern days, and it was very good. It seems more people disliked me sending this, although I thought the PDML bunch is interested in 'esoteric' issues, and I tried (hopefuly) to refrain from any politics. Ok, next time only about gravity :) Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: PENTAX *ist D : Things to improve
On 11 May 2004 at 10:37, Steve Desjardins wrote: The problem, of course is that sharpness, etc. are also available now, and if you tried to show everything it would be ridiculous. My only literal point of comparison is the E-10, and I much prefer the *istD interface. I'm not of the mind that sharpness should be one of the controls that should find its way onto a primary control, contrast however... I found the E-10 a mixed bag, of course it's not really a fair comparison as the *ist D is much faster with any type of review or saving. However the mode control was well separated from the ISO selection (which was buried in the LCD menus), strangely a great deal of the *ist D controls are otherwise quite similar. When I first picked up the E-10 I couldn't believe the amount of buttons that were scattered across it's body however quite soon after I realized that they were generally quite well placed. I found that I could operate most controls without having to change my grip on the camera substantially. So we obviously have different takes on this interface also :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
I would like to see Pentax as something akin to Apple in PCs (which is personal computer for those younger, not an IBM type PC which runs microsoft g). Products that stand out by their features and usability. Like a big viewfinder, etc. However, in photography these niche markets are probably even smaller, and Apple does have the profitable graphic professional market much covered, unlike Pentax. What I would like most would be a no-nonsense digital camera. One that doesn't take you from the essentials of photography - seeing well and controling quickly. But I guess there are not enough prospective buyers like us :) Frantisek
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
On 11 May 2004 at 14:22, Shawn K. wrote: I guess you're right to an extent. I could argue it by pointing out some specific products, in actuality I think Nikon and Canon do have an edge over the rest for some types of action photography because of IS and USM type features. Maybe USM but IS usually promotes far slower shutter speeds, not great for action. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Can anyone identify this flower?
On 11 May 2004 at 12:05, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/graphics/pages/7d400719.htm I'm archiving photos and I'd like to come up with an accurate title for this one. Mark I haven't been able to even access your domain for some months now, it just times out. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Enabled with an istD!
Congratulations, and happy birthday. Taurus or Gemini? Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
-Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11 May 2004 at 14:22, Shawn K. wrote: I guess you're right to an extent. I could argue it by pointing out some specific products, in actuality I think Nikon and Canon do have an edge over the rest for some types of action photography because of IS and USM type features. Maybe USM but IS usually promotes far slower shutter speeds, not great for action. The latest IS versions have a panning option which works well for some types of action shots... tv
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Probably not aye. :( Unless some miracle happens for the Gonz. But someone please eat a nice slice of pepperoni + green peppers + onions + Jalapenos + mushrooms + lots of extra cheese!!! rg Wishing I could make it (first time) tom wrote: Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. tv
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
It's true. I agree with that very much. Taking action shots with a manual focus lens is very difficult at first. Man I was photographic this duck when suddenly it took off and I thought I was going to get a great in flight shot... but then I realized I was turning the focus ring the wrong direction, then I turned it back the other direction, but due to the direction the duck was flying the focal area passed quicker than I expected and by that time it was pretty much too far away to be worth taking a picture of... Better luck next time I guess. So yeah, all those features are neat and all, but in the end they just took being a photographer away from the photographers and gave it to the hacks who will do anything for a buck. Seems that lots of jobs are going this direction thanks to technology. -Shawn -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test On 11 May 2004 at 19:07, tom wrote: The latest IS versions have a panning option which works well for some types of action shots... Maybe so but I just hate seeing it being touted as a panacea. It's a replacement for a particular skill. All that features do, is allow the photographer to get by with less developed skills. William Robb
Re: Was: Pentax * ist D doing badly... Now System Choices
I think that may be the major thing Pentax has going for it... Bang for the Buck. If Bucks were no issue I might go get banged somewhere else. Tom C. From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Was: Pentax * ist D doing badly... Now System Choices Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 11 May 2004, Tom C wrote: In fact I frequently 2nd guess my choice of camera system.. e.g. why did I choose Pentax? In a sense I didn't. It chose me. Similar story for me. My dad had a Pentax Spotmatic when I was growing up. When I finished college I was borrowing it from him, and used it for a few years after moving out to Seattle. I wanted to get my own system, so I bought a used ME Super but continued to use his lenses for a while. A little later I wanted a new camera and picked up a ZX-5n. I could have picked a new system when looking at the ZX-5n (at the time I had two lenses that weren't that expensive), but nothing else was as compact. I wanted something which I could use while cycling and hiking and Pentax fit the bill. I really liked the simple ZX-5n UI and appreciated it even more after using a Olympus IS-1 (their ZLR) for a couple of months. I like to think that I would make a similar decision if purchasing a new D-SLR now. There is still nothing as small as their cameras, and I still find it easier to figure out their UI than anything else. The performance of all of the top systems are fine for me. Whether it has been a good choice or not, I don't know. I do know that I envy the larger choice of lenses available to Nikon and Canon users. I envy Image Stabilzation. I don't like being last on the block to get the toys... I don't. IS lenses are heavier and expensive. The only thing that I envy with my *ist D is the smaller size of my ZX-5n. and I doubt whether Pentax will ever be a major force in the market again. I don't really care as long as they continue to make great cameras. The *ist D is doing well enough for 3rd parties to make lenses that target it, and that is fine with me. I paid a lot for my *ist D (early adopter, paid the initial MSRP) but don't think I could get a better camera than the *ist D for the current going price. alex
RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...
AU 11,000? Wow... Thats pricey, that seems really high, the exchange rate for today has that at 7648.29 in USD. Seems extremely high priced. It must have a full sized sensor, at least 16MP, in camera IS, a USM equivalent technology. Maybe it'll put Pentax back on the map, maybe I'll be able to find Pentax LOCALLY at a place other than Wal-Mart!!! I live in a smallish town, well, not small really, average sized, but the camera shops in town only sell Canon and Nikon. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Simon King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Photokina rumour mill has started... Hi All, I'd kept quiet on what I'd heard from an Australian Pentax rep. but as it's under discussion... The rep stated matter of factly that Pentax was releasing a low end *ist D based on the MZ-60 that would have a street price of about AU$1,600 and a brand new high end model that would come in at around AU$11,000. Release for the MZ-60 D (or whatever they call it - Maybe #ist) would be September and the high end model before Christmas Should I keep this email for future reference? Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 4:48 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started... On 11/5/04, BRUCE D, discombobulated, offered: I tend to agree. For Pentax, selling a bit downstream into the 300D market makes a lot of sense. There are many sales to be had. Going upstream from the *istD, however, seems much more difficult. Two big reasons to me. 1) Canon and Nikon have multiple models in that segment - these are very well received and very well endowed - the best Pentax would be able to do is a me too type of camera that would be selling into the $3000-5000 range. Not many buyers and very few Pentax buyers. 2) When moving upstream to higher end bodies, the system surrounding the camera becomes much more important. The lack of IS, USM and high speed glass, especially in the zoom category is a big weakness for Pentax and would need to be released about the same time or at least shown that these things will be available shortly. This is not going to happen. My guess is that you are going to see the next generation *istD rather than an upper model (in a sense, it will be an upper model to the current *istD spec) - probably bigger sensor (megapixels, not necessarily size), a few new/more features, fixes to problems in existing *istD, etc. The *ist D will slowly phase out as stock is depleted. I was going to write virtually the same thing - honest. This is my feeling exactly. Actually, if Pentax had any sense and listened to the brains on this list, the *ist D mark 2 could be a very special camera indeed... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
At that price (which is what? Around $5000 US?) I'd assume they'd have to be aiming at the EOS-1D market, and going for a larger sensor than that in the *ist-D. Probably not full frame, as I'd expect the new DA lenses to work with any new body. Whether that means 8MP or 10MP depends on the available sensor technology - Pentax aren't large enough to have their own sensor built to their own specifications. Apart from the larger sensor (for better wide angle performance), what else might we see? I'm sure a lot of people here would clamour for the return of the mechanical aperture sensor, but I'm not sure that will come. I *would* expect to see a larger buffer, and a higher burst rate (perhaps not 40 frames at 8fps, but certainly better than 5 frames at a mere 2.5fps). I'd like to see ISO 50 as an option, but that again depends on the sensor, as does the pixel depth (if pressed, I'd predict 14 bits per pixel). Apart from that, what else could there be? Better sealing? Firewire? Built-in 802.11g? if the high end body has at least 10 megapixels, i am buying one. if not, it's a sign to me that Pentax isn't truly serious and i will be thinking very carefully about what to get next. Herb - Original Message - From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Photokina rumour mill has started... The rep stated matter of factly that Pentax was releasing a low end *ist D based on the MZ-60 that would have a street price of about AU$1,600 and a brand new high end model that would come in at around AU$11,000. Release for the MZ-60 D (or whatever they call it - Maybe #ist) would be September and the high end model before Christmas
RE: PDML GFM Roll Call
Aye! I don't really have a favourite, but I hate pineapple on pizza and also anchovies (but I can always pick them off! lol). Not fussy at all, can't wait to experience an American pizza as opposed to Australian varieties! lol. 13 SLEEPS TO GO!! tan. -Original Message- From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 4:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PDML GFM Roll Call 90% Pepperoni tom wrote: Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. tv
RE: PDML GFM Roll Call
Mark, I would have never taken you to be a vego! You learn something new everyday... tan. (who is a habitual vego, but does love the odd steak, and can't go past a roast chook!) -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 5:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PDML GFM Roll Call Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) Mark, Now I'm puzzled... How do you make yoghurt without animal parts? :-) You don't. That's the point: It contains whole, live animals (bacteria). -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kingdom Monera not Animals (Kingdom Amimalia) Excellent! (I feel much less guilty now) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) at the risk of starting another OT science thread, er, I don't think bacteria are animals, are they? I think some are classified as animals and some as plants. tv is gonna love wading through all this looking for pizza choices. I WANT BACTERIA ON MINE!!! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: PDML GFM Roll Call
Maybe not Mike, seems that Christian just answered it pretty definitively! lol. tan. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 7:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PDML GFM Roll Call Bob W wrote: Hi, No parts? You like 'em whole? They're too hard to swallow that way! No, I only go for the bacterium-sized ones whole ;) (That's what's in yogurt, after all!) at the risk of starting another OT science thread, er, I don't think bacteria are animals, are they? This one will run and run..
RE: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits
What a weird thing to do, why would anyone in their right mind do such a thing? vbg tan. (who has never taken a self portrait in her life!) From: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:57:56 +0200 Since I got so much answers on my last surveys, here is another one: 1 have you ever made self portraits ? 2 If yes , serious ore funny ones, did you choose a theme ? 3 If no, why not? 4 How did you do it, with a remote control or the build in self timer ? thanks and readers of my last email know why I ask! Markus (in a yellow grey striped Sing-Sing night dress) _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PDML GFM Roll Call
ew, PIG parts! I HATE anything porky. Don't mind a bit of bacon/ham, but hey its fulla salt to hide the porky taste! lol. tan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 7:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PDML GFM Roll Call Aye Pig parts or chicken chunksonions are good too. GP or O can be picked off but those little fish ruin the whole pie... Cory about 85% sure he's coming. There's a HUGE project I'm intensely involved in that's going to be kicking-off around then but, wellI already paid, right? ;) - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: PDML GFM Roll Call Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. tv --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 5/8/2004
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started... if the high end body has at least 10 megapixels, i am buying one. if not, it's a sign to me that Pentax isn't truly serious and i will be thinking very carefully about what to get next. Since Pentax is not a chip maker, they will have to have a, OTS supplier. Who is making sensors in the 10mp/ APS size range these days that would supply them? If the come out with a 10mp that is approaching full frame, I would have to seriously consider buying one myself. William Robb
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
- Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test. It's a replacement for a particular skill. All that features do, is allow the photographer to get by with less developed skills. William Robb Like depending on a motor drive instead of skill for action photos? My own experience in this is limited. I have tried using a motor drive to shoot agility (a dog sport), and failed miserably. The one and only time I used a drive in continuous shooting for action, I was able to get some wonderful shots of dogs not quite off the ground, not quite in the tire, not quite in the jump, etc. Eight rolls of 36 exposure film, perhaps 3 usable shots, and no good ones. This was done by using bursts of 3 to five frames at a time with a motor drive A on a Program Plus. Perhaps a faster drive would have helped, but I suspect that I would have just wasted more film. OTOH, a friend of mine uses a PZ10 in single shot for the same thing and, by timing his shutter release carefully, is getting virtually a 100% hit rate. So yes, like using a motor drive instead of skill. Skill wins out every time. William Robb
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
If the technology is a true replacement, I'm happy to make use of it. I see no merit in being able to do, by hand, something that a simple mechanism can do as well or better. Personally, for what I do, auto-focus has been a great benefit. It's not perfect, but it's useful. It gets things wrong sometimes, but not as often as I was missing shots (especially with the greater control on AF point selection that I have with the *ist-D). But that's mostly because of the sort of photography I do - in other situations, manual focus would produce a better image (in the hands of a sufficiently skilled photographer). Unfortunately a consequence of the trend to auto-focus has been to make manual focus a great deal harder. It's true. I agree with that very much. Taking action shots with a manual focus lens is very difficult at first. Man I was photographic this duck when suddenly it took off and I thought I was going to get a great in flight shot... but then I realized I was turning the focus ring the wrong direction, then I turned it back the other direction, but due to the direction the duck was flying the focal area passed quicker than I expected and by that time it was pretty much too far away to be worth taking a picture of... Better luck next time I guess. So yeah, all those features are neat and all, but in the end they just took being a photographer away from the photographers and gave it to the hacks who will do anything for a buck. Seems that lots of jobs are going this direction thanks to technology. -Shawn -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test On 11 May 2004 at 19:07, tom wrote: The latest IS versions have a panning option which works well for some types of action shots... Maybe so but I just hate seeing it being touted as a panacea. It's a replacement for a particular skill. All that features do, is allow the photographer to get by with less developed skills. William Robb
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Mark Roberts wrote: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I need a head count of PDMLer's planning to attend GFM. Just reply with an aye and your favorite pizza topping. AYE! Anything that isn't made from animal parts... :) I'll share a plain with you or a peppers and onions with you and Bill Owens :) OR I'll just sit and watch you all get fat .. :) IT will be a little odd having pizza in the land of hush puppies, grits and Carolina BBQ when I have 3 or 4 of the best pizza places in the country within walking distance of my apartment. :) annsan (damn, now I'm hungry!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
One of my favorite pieces of advice from John Shaw: [at 1/500 and 5fps] ...in one second you've captured 5/500 of the action, but missed 495/500 of it You must be selective! I find continuous shooting great for an action sequence (car spinning off at the track) but crappy for capturing that one decisive moment (rally car with all four wheels off the ground at the apex of a jump). Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] My own experience in this is limited. I have tried using a motor drive to shoot agility (a dog sport), and failed miserably. The one and only time I used a drive in continuous shooting for action, I was able to get some wonderful shots of dogs not quite off the ground, not quite in the tire, not quite in the jump, etc. Eight rolls of 36 exposure film, perhaps 3 usable shots, and no good ones. This was done by using bursts of 3 to five frames at a time with a motor drive A on a Program Plus. Perhaps a faster drive would have helped, but I suspect that I would have just wasted more film. OTOH, a friend of mine uses a PZ10 in single shot for the same thing and, by timing his shutter release carefully, is getting virtually a 100% hit rate. So yes, like using a motor drive instead of skill. Skill wins out every time. William Robb
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
i want 10 megapixels, USB 2.0 or Firewire, better sealing, faster AF, and better low light AF. i would settle for an 3x6MP Foveon. that is all that is necessary for me to spend $5-6K on the camera. Herb - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started... At that price (which is what? Around $5000 US?) I'd assume they'd have to be aiming at the EOS-1D market, and going for a larger sensor than that in the *ist-D. Probably not full frame, as I'd expect the new DA lenses to work with any new body. Whether that means 8MP or 10MP depends on the available sensor technology - Pentax aren't large enough to have their own sensor built to their own specifications.
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
I find continuous shooting great for an action sequence (car spinning off at the track) but crappy for capturing that one decisive moment (rally car with all four wheels off the ground at the apex of a jump). I rarely use continuous shooting mode, either - the one big exception would be at the start of a race if I'm in position to get a good start shot. But I still look for a high frame rate for my cameras - the 4+ fps PZ-1p is ready to shoot again in half the time of the relatively sluggish MZ-S or *ist-D. I've quite often taken back-to-back exposures in single-frame mode, and it's extremely annoying not to get a shot because you're waiting for the camera. Further to that point: I was a little irritated to find just how often I was waiting for the *ist-D to empty the buffer during the race at Long Beach. Most of the time the buffer was large enough, but there were enough times when the camera wasn't ready to shoot for it to be a noticeable problem.
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kingdom Monera not Animals (Kingdom Amimalia) Excellent! (I feel much less guilty now) BTW: I'm vegetarian but not vegan, so I do partake in the occasional egg or dairy product. I probably have eggs about once a year. We never have milk at home but often cheese and yogurt. And then, who could live without chocolate? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Concert Photos
At the end of April, I shot a few more rolls of my friend Jennifer, and her group, Pirate Jenny. This time I used TMax 3200 (I find it very grainy, moreso than Neopan 1600 pushed). I've only scanned about 1/2 of the ones I like (out of 2 rolls). I originally uploaded one for a PAW (hence, it's in my PAW folder), then I couldn't decide which I liked best, so I uploaded a second, thinking I'd have a double PAW. Then I thought, oh hell, just one more, and now I'm thinking that I can't have a 3 part PAW. So, here's 3 photos from the concert: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2355270 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2355277 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2355286 I've also uploaded some others on dotPhoto: http://www.dotphoto.com/MemViewAlbum.asp?AID=1515057 I'm not sure I like dotPhoto (for one thing, it doesn't show the images full size, and for another, I haven't figured a way to title them, other than my jpeg file name. also, it seems that I can only load 10 photos per album). Anyway, I'll scan some more, and maybe post them. In the meanwhile, if anyone has read this far, and has comments, I'd love to hear them. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
I see no merit in being able to do, by hand, something that a simple mechanism can do as well or better. That statement makes me think you are a hack... seriously. What merit is there in being able to do math by hand, or in your head instead of using software or a calculator?? What merit is there in driving a standard shift car faster than an auto shift car?? And the ultimate, what merit is there in a painted portrait if one can just take a picture??? And, do you know that painters are still alive and well today? My aunt is one and she charges upwards of 5,000 for larger sized portraits. And that's nothing, there are artists out there now who can charge 10, 15 even 20,000 for portraits. What merit is there in spending that money when you can go to Olan Mills and get an exact replica of yourself?? I think I've made my point, now you just have to accept it, you hack. ;) -Shawn
RE: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits
Tan, You're so full of it!!! LOL -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: TMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a weird thing to do, why would anyone in their right mind do such a thing? vbg tan. (who has never taken a self portrait in her life!) _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Concert Photos
Screw that dot photo ...the link you posted brings up a screen asking for membership info. Gotta join before I can see your pics. Not gonna happen. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dotphoto.com/MemViewAlbum.asp?AID=1515057 I'm not sure I like dotPhoto (for one thing, it doesn't show the images full size, and for another, I haven't figured a way to title them, other than my jpeg file name. also, it seems that I can only load 10 photos per album).
Re: PAW - Some duck in the park
Great color saturation of that picture! I like the orange feet. If it had a cigar in it's bill, then you'd have something. Quack! Quack! ~Alejandro Here, here it is, the great duck shot. WOOooo... meh. Well, it's just your average run of the mill duck in the grass, but it was taken with a not so average SMC Takumar 200/4 that just beguiles me! Yes I love it, I wish, oh how do I wish that Pentax had made these lenses in the K mount... http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/Photos/nice/duck1s.jpg Let me know what you think! By the way, what is this PAW thing? Can I submit a PAW at any time? Is it some kind of collection of images being assembled? I've been hoping for clues as to the nature of the PAW but haven't been paying close enough attention apparently. -Shawn
RE: Concert Photos
I feared that would happen, but I wasn't sure. Now I am sure. Thanks for letting me know, Shel. I'll make room and upload the rest that I want folks to see on photo.net. Sorry about that... -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Concert Photos Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:26:38 -0700 Screw that dot photo ...the link you posted brings up a screen asking for membership info. Gotta join before I can see your pics. Not gonna happen. Shel Belinkoff _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
i want 10 megapixels, USB 2.0 or Firewire, better sealing, faster AF, and better low light AF. i would settle for an 3x6MP Foveon. that is all that is necessary for me to spend $5-6K on the camera. Nice options Herb, I would like to add the following : 1. Swiveling LCD screen (for those self portraits, or low shooting angles) 2. Sound recorder (for notes on the pictures) 3. Powered by fuel cells. (more efficient power source) 4. Built in GPS. (to record the location of the picture) 5. A remote alarm. (in case it gets stolen ;-P)
RE: PAW - Shana Punim in San Francisco
To me, it seems a combination of joy, and shyness. Lovely, emotional photo, Shel. I like it a lot. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Shana Punim in San Francisco Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:50:44 -0700 Shana Punim means pretty face in Yiddish. Here's a shana punim from San Francisco - one of the regular gang of kids that hung around my studio and the school yard in 1968-69. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/shana_punim.html Shel Belinkoff _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...
And how about, 1. Heated leather hand grip for those cold shooting days 2. Voice activated shooting 3. Night vision 4. Infra-Red assist nighttime autofocus 5. Available in matching silver for use with limited lenses -Original Message- From: JA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started... i want 10 megapixels, USB 2.0 or Firewire, better sealing, faster AF, and better low light AF. i would settle for an 3x6MP Foveon. that is all that is necessary for me to spend $5-6K on the camera. Nice options Herb, I would like to add the following : 1. Swiveling LCD screen (for those self portraits, or low shooting angles) 2. Sound recorder (for notes on the pictures) 3. Powered by fuel cells. (more efficient power source) 4. Built in GPS. (to record the location of the picture) 5. A remote alarm. (in case it gets stolen ;-P)
Re: Munich and Dublin
Hi Alex, It's been quite some time since I visited Dublin, but there are a couple of things I won't miss while there. First one that comes to mind is the Trinity College, where you MUST see the Old Library and the Book of Kells. A visit to the Castle (now more a palace than a castle) may be interesting. A walk in Saint Stephen's Green is nice, and a good photo opportunity, although quite a cliché, are the different colours doors of the Georgian houses. Don't forget Temple Bar, a very crowded district full of pubs. There should be other things to see, I'm sure... This said, I think I should return to Dublin sooner or later... (btw, my surname means exactly Ireland :-) I recall two shops with a good selection of used Pentax equipment (while I was there - in 1999 - one had a complete LX set with motor, AF280T, grip, etc.; another shop showed a black K2 with K 50/1.4 that I bought). A PDMLer from Dublin told me that things had changed a bit, but I would attempt a look. One of the shops was near the end of Grafton street (coming from the Trinity College, on the right), the other one was in one of the streets in front of the central Post Office in O'Connel Street (if I'm right, it's in the street with the statue of James Joyce at the beginning - Earl Street -); it's on the right if you come from O'Connel Street. Hope this helps. Ciao, Gianfranco - = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861
Re: PDML GFM Roll Call
Probably not aye. :( Unless some miracle happens for the Gonz. But someone please eat a nice slice of pepperoni + green peppers + onions + Jalapenos + mushrooms + lots of extra cheese!!! rg Wishing I could make it (first time) My husband volunteers to eat this on your behalf. ERN
RE: PAW - Kids eating candy on a Sunday afternoon
The newspaper puts it in a place. The cars in the background put it in a time. But, really, kids are kids - no matter where and when. It's a timeless photo, Shel. I love it. I keep wondering about those kids - what they're up to now. I know others have mentioned it, but ya gotta wonder... Great shot! cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Kids eating candy on a Sunday afternoon Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:43:05 -0700 The kids are back. Here they are lined up outside the little bodega in San Francisco's Mission District, chewing their candy bars and, as usual, looking in all directions. Frankly, I don't care that much for the editing on this one, but I was too far into it to just toss it as a failure. Comments and crits most welcome. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/kids_eating_candy.html Shel Belinkoff _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Not exactly a PAW ... WARNING: Cute kid pic
Looks tack sharp to me, Shel! g I don't care if it's cute. It's wonderful. A kid in a candy shop (or, to be more accurate, a bake shop). I guess when I was her age, I'd have smiled like that, too. vbg thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not exactly a PAW ... WARNING: Cute kid pic Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:51 -0700 Seems like a lot of people on the list like cute pics of children. While wandering about in Fairfax, CA, just a bit north of San Francisco, this little red-haired girl appeared in the window of a bakery. Grabbed a quick shot with the Rollei ... I guess this is an homage to frank as the pic's a bit soft. For those who are not familiar with the Rollei 35 cameras, they are scale focusing, and it looks as though my guess was just a bit off. Couldn't rely on DOF to cover my ass, either, as I was shooting ad fairly wide apertures. Of well, the pic's got a cute girl, some flowers, Christmas decorations ... http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/girl_in_bakery.html Shel Belinkoff _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Pentax Takumar 4.5/500 lens
Mel, Check out http://www.keh.com if you really want to sell it. It's tough to tell you what to do with it, as I don't know your photography style. I bought mine (which is the K mount incarnation of this lens), for $500 and considered it a steal in it's condition. At least shoot a little film through it before deciding on selling it. IL Bill On May 11, 2004, at 12:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, newbie here with a request for advice. I've been given a screwmount Pentax Takumar 4.5/500 lens, serial number 3788992, in good working order. Should I try to find an individual buyer, contact antique camera dealers, sell this lens through Ebay, or not bother trying to sell it at all? The lens have no clouding or crazing but does have one small snowflake of fungus, it's still got both end caps (the metal one has been slightly dented along the edge and the plastic one is cracked but still useable), everything works great on it, it's got the original case with original shoulder strap but has got some wear and tear on it, and the lens itself has a few pock marks in the plastic areas and body. What do yall think, keep for nostalgia cuz it's not worth anything, sell through Ebay, sell to an individual, or sell through a camera shop? So far I've only had one shop respond to my inquiries with an offer for $150 for the whole thing. Is this a fair amount? Mel Darnell
PAW: Gentle Smile with Melodica
Another one of my friend Jennifer in concert: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2355455 Lighting was horrendous (the single spot was aimed at her body, not her head). I also shot this concert with T Max 3200 (at 3200). I find it very grainy, and by far prefer Neopan 1600 pushed one stop. Comments are appreciated. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test On 11 May 2004 at 19:07, tom wrote: The latest IS versions have a panning option which works well for some types of action shots... Maybe so but I just hate seeing it being touted as a panacea. It's a replacement for a particular skill. All that features do, is allow the photographer to get by with less developed skills. I guess that's true. I don't have the skill to handold a 300mm lens at 1/15. Never did, never will. Can you? IS works. If you can shoot, it can only help. If you can't, it can't. Duh. tv
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
Hey, it's got an LCD screen, so how about a nice TV receiver, using the CF card as a TIVO? Plus an AM/FM stereo radio? Organizer, note pad, spreadsheet, database, todo list, a few games, email, you know, the full suite of PDA apps? Might as well add a cell phone slash walkie-talkie and ports for external keyboards and monitors. I mean, why waste all that memory and computing power, I'm sure there is plenty of extra space inside to add a chip or a board or two, and oh yeh don't forget the Scrabble dictionary. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
-Original Message- From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So yeah, all those features are neat and all, but in the end they just took being a photographer away from the photographers and gave it to the hacks who will do anything for a buck. This is pretty funny. tv
RE: OT - where I deserve to be!
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm back out on paroll. Oh damn. So I won't be able to keep this Powerbook battery that just arrived? (I'd thought that Mac laptops were hand cranked or steam powered or something...) See you at GFM. ;-) Thanks Mark. You'll make tv jealous - he thought he was the Postmaster General. Dammit, I cleared out an entire room for your (and Tanya's) B+H and Ebay crap. tv
RE: Concert Photos
BTW, Shel, The first three url's of my original post were individual photos I posted on photo.net. Only the last one (that you needed to register for) was dot photo. So, until I load the rest on photo.net, you can at least look at 3 of them. However, the more I look at them, the less I like them. I guess that means I should stop looking, eh? g cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Concert Photos Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:26:38 -0700 Screw that dot photo ...the link you posted brings up a screen asking for membership info. Gotta join before I can see your pics. Not gonna happen. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dotphoto.com/MemViewAlbum.asp?AID=1515057 I'm not sure I like dotPhoto (for one thing, it doesn't show the images full size, and for another, I haven't figured a way to title them, other than my jpeg file name. also, it seems that I can only load 10 photos per album). _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
Tom (tv), I realize it's funny, thats why I said it!! You know the old saying, It's funny because it's true. -Shawn -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test -Original Message- From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So yeah, all those features are neat and all, but in the end they just took being a photographer away from the photographers and gave it to the hacks who will do anything for a buck. This is pretty funny. tv
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:43:01 -0400, Christian Skofteland wrote: I find continuous shooting great for an action sequence (car spinning off at the track) but crappy for capturing that one decisive moment (rally car with all four wheels off the ground at the apex of a jump). You've quite accurately described my view, also. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
RE: PAW - Some duck in the park
Shawn, PAW stands for Photo a Week. So, you submit a photo every week, more or less. No one is counting. If you miss a week, you don't get kicked out or anything. If you post more than one a week, well, I guess that's fine, too (although if you, like, do it every day, someone may take you to task). For instance, I posted a PAW tonight, only 6 days after my last one. I doubt anyone will notice. There are no prizes. There's no plan to publish or in any way compile them. Those of us who feel they want to, simply look at them, and comment (again, if we want to). Sometimes one gets many comments, sometimes not. Don't read a lot into it one way or the other. Okay, your duck photo: One thing you have to know, is that there are some amazing wildlife photographers on this list. Guys who make their living at it. Guys who, regardless of whether they're pros, just really know what they're doing, and blow pretty much everyone else out of the water - even guys who shoot with Canons and Nikons, and we all know that those cameras take way better pix than Pentaxes vbg. Unfortunately, that means that ordinary wildlife photos look, well, pretty ordinary compared to what we're used to seeing. I'd say yours is an ordinary shot, of an ordinary bird. Not a bad shot, just nothing to make it stand out. It's just there, without a lot to say, IMHO. I think what you may want to do is go to the site of a wildlife photographer, and look at what they do, figure out how they do it, and try to emulate it (and then work it into your own style). Here's the bird page of one of our best wildlife guys, Mark Cassino (there are many other really good ones here, but none better than Mark, IMHO): http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/birds/birds.htm Look through the gallery, and see what he's done with birds. How they stand out from their backgrounds. How freaking sharp the birds are. How they're doing interesting things, or how their bodies are in interesting positions. Look at what he's doing with composition and lighting. See what I mean? Now, again, I'm not saying that your duck shot is a bad one. But, one of the reasons we post on PAW is to get reactions from others, with a view to improving your work, and learning from others. I'm not trying to be harsh, but rather, helpful, so I hope that you accept this in the spirit in which it's intended. regards, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shawn K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Some duck in the park Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:19:43 -0400 Here, here it is, the great duck shot. WOOooo... meh. Well, it's just your average run of the mill duck in the grass, but it was taken with a not so average SMC Takumar 200/4 that just beguiles me! Yes I love it, I wish, oh how do I wish that Pentax had made these lenses in the K mount... http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/Photos/nice/duck1s.jpg Let me know what you think! By the way, what is this PAW thing? Can I submit a PAW at any time? Is it some kind of collection of images being assembled? I've been hoping for clues as to the nature of the PAW but haven't been paying close enough attention apparently. -Shawn _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
- Original Message - From: tom Subject: RE: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test I guess that's true. I don't have the skill to handold a 300mm lens at 1/15. Never did, never will. Can you? Best I have done is hand hold a 400mm at 1/30th. IS works. If you can shoot, it can only help. If you can't, it can't. Duh. I wasn't making a moral judgement, just an observation. Don't get so twitchy. William Robb
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
- Original Message - From: Shawn K. Subject: RE: Photokina rumour mill has started... 5. Available in matching silver for use with limited lenses I'd take matching black limited lenses. William Robb
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
You want Alfredo sauce on that sir? William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started... My info supports Steve's opinion. What does it say about his spell checker's opinion? William Robb
Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...
On Tue, 11 May 2004, JA wrote: 1. Swiveling LCD screen (for those self portraits, or low shooting angles) Why? There is no live preview on the screen (this is a D-SLR, not a point and shoot). alex
Re: how gravity works...
Hi, I wish you were coming to GFM (and everyone else from across the pond who's been expounding mightily in this thread). that's very kind of you to say. Sadly I don't have the time or the money this year :o( I actually think I may have been there or thereabouts before. I was in NC for a week once and we went up some rather tame mountain in that area. It was a lovely place to drive around, with hill-billy shacks and everything, so I can at least be there in some sort of spirit. I mean, I have not the slightest idea what the hell you're all talking about, but it's fun anyway! The pleasures of armchair science and philosophy! -- Cheers, Bob
RE: PAW - Jens Bladt
Yes, there's a small apple tree on my tiny front lawn. It's a great idea to photograph an apple later on. I'll try to remember. Thanks! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 11. maj 2004 06:49 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: PAW - Jens Bladt Hi! Jens, now that you wrote it is from *your* garden - you would have to post the picture of an apple when you have some... g The bokeh is rather unobtrusive... Interesting... JB Just a flower on a tree - Appleblossom. JB SONY DSC F717, f8, 1/125 sec. (0.3 minus correction), a tripod and a little JB rain. JB http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4389319.html JB All the best JB Jens Bladt JB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OT: Monitors
On May 11, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'm looking for a high quality CRT monitor on which to do my Photoshop work. I've heard very good things about the LaCie Electronblue IV and the Sony Artisan, as well as a particular model of NEC, the model number of which escapes me right now. Has anyone any experience with these monitors? Any recommendations for a high quality CRT monitor (Flat screen a must!) Thanking you in advance for past favors LOL A friend of mine has been trying to get his hands on the Sony Artisan, but he can't convince anyone to bring one into the country as Sony is no longer importing any CRT monitors into NZ. I've heard its an excellent monitor for an astonishingly low price (relatively speaking). Try looking at Barco... but I don't think their screens are completely flat. And if you're not keen on the price of the Artisan, you won't even want to think about Barco ;) FWIW I'm currently using a pair of calibrated Philips 109P screens. The blacks could be a little better but I'm not complaining - the first one was free, and I bought the second after the price halved due to the booming popularity of LCDs. I'm currently saving for an Apple HD Cinema Display because these two screens are far too big (and are probably cooking my brain). LCDs also have a much shorter warm-up time while consuming less power. Unfortunately the really good ones are really expensive. Cheers, - Dave (dreaming of owning an IBM T221) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: OT: Monitors
On 11 May 2004 at 18:14, David Mann wrote: I'm currently saving for an Apple HD Cinema Display because these two screens are far too big (and are probably cooking my brain). LCDs also have a much shorter warm-up time while consuming less power. Unfortunately the really good ones are really expensive. Cheers, - Dave (dreaming of owning an IBM T221) These little fellas seem OK too: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp2290b/ Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: PAW - Jens Bladt
Hi, Tuesday, May 11, 2004, 7:07:14 AM, Jens wrote: Yes, there's a small apple tree on my tiny front lawn. It's a great idea to photograph an apple later on. I'll try to remember. Thanks! here's a picture of mine I rather like: http://www.web-options.com/p7.jpg It's nothing special, but it's from a place in Dorset that I think is the closest to the garden of Eden - but no snakes! -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Pentax * ist D doing badly in Fotomagazin test
Hi Arnold, on 11 May 04 you wrote in pentax.list: The original Fotomagazin test of the *ist D was published in the issue 12/2003. If I remember correctly from reading in the shop (I never bought that issue) the score on resolution was so low that it could have been only cause either by misfocusing or some other manipulation. Those testers are simply mad: in the actual Colorfoto they've tested the Nikon D70 using a superb 60mm macro lens. All other DSLR tests before were made with simple zoom lenses (e.g. the 18-35 with the *istD). And now guess - the D70 has the best picture quality of all! There is a simple formula to calculate the test results - just multiplicate a certain factor with the number of adds that a producer buys ;-) Have you ever heard of a bad test of a Sigma or Tamron 28-300 superzoom? Gues why... ;-) Cheers, Heiko
Re: PAW: City Hall
Thank you all who commented on my photo. Bruce: On my monitor in the office it is dark, at home it's just fine. It seems that I have a calibration prbolem. I'm glad it looks OK on your monitor:) Your idea about experimenting different lighting conditions is interesting, the problem is not the many visits (it is in my town), but the rather extreme weather in this part of the year: clear sunny blue or heavy overcast... So I have to wait some time for an interesting light, but fortunately getting there is very easy for me. Boris: You got an eagle's eye:) I didn't thought anyone would notice that man on a monitor, in print it is a lot bigger. He indeed is wearing some old clothes. Attila
Re: PAW - Desert Winter
Alejandro, You are too kind. It is a beautiful place. I love going there to visit and photograph. There will be more to follow on to this one. Thanks, Bruce Monday, May 10, 2004, 6:18:30 PM, you wrote: J You just made an admirer two fold. One for the location, and two for your J work. J Simply amazing. J ~Alejandro This was taken in Bryce Canyon during the winter (hence the snow). PZ-1p, Agfa Optima II 100 film, don't recall the lens. What really attracted me was how well defined the snow line was. Comments are welcome. http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0127-80.htm -- Best regards, Bruce
Re: OT - where I deserve to be!
Some feature on a Christian group in the prison - You'all put your Christians in prisons? That seems a little harsh. William Robb q.v. the gravity thread ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PAW: City Hall
Hi! Boris: You got an eagle's eye:) I didn't thought anyone would notice that man on a monitor, in print it is a lot bigger. He indeed is wearing some old clothes. I am only wishing... (ELO) Actually my eyes are rather weak - -6 diopters in each of them. I keep loosing 1/4 to 1/2 diopter every year or two. Attilla, be aware that PDML is very sharp eyed (not me though g). Any no matter how insignificant detail is noticed and considered. But thank you of course. Your compliment is most flattering one. Boris
Re: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits
Fra: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since I got so much answers on my last surveys, here is another one: 1 have you ever made self portraits ? Yes 2 If yes , serious ore funny ones, did you choose a theme ? We were 12 photographers who made one self portrait each month for a year, and had an exhibition in March the year after. The picture depended on the mood that month, some funny, some seriuos. 4 How did you do it, with a remote control or the build in self timer ? All of them. Often hand held with a wide angle, some with self timer and tripod, some with remote. Some will on the list will remember that I have referred to these photos before, but since you ask, here is the link (sorry about all the Norwegian text :-) http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_oversikt.cgi?brukerid=158serieid=707 January is at the bottom, and you can try to guess what happened that year :-) DagT
Re: PAW - Jens Bladt
Hello Jens, Monday, May 10, 2004, 7:40:38 PM, you wrote: JB Just a flower on a tree - Appleblossom. JB SONY DSC F717, f8, 1/125 sec. (0.3 minus correction), a tripod and a little JB rain. JB http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p4389319.html I like the raindrops, and those tree sprouts create a special balance. Nice work. Attila
Re: Monday evening (in Switzerland) survey - have you ever made self portraits
Hello Markus, Monday, May 10, 2004, 9:57:56 PM, you wrote: MM Since I got so much answers on my last surveys, here is another one: MM 1 have you ever made self portraits ? No. MM 2 If yes , serious ore funny ones, did you choose a theme ? NA MM 3 If no, why not? I rarely do portraits... Very rare. Just when the subject asks me to. And I don't talk to myself, so...g MM 4 How did you do it, with a remote control or the build in self timer ? See 1, but if I will try once, I think the self timer is just made for this. Attila
Photokina rumour mill has started...
I think Roland Mabo used to post on here, but now uses Photozone. Take the following as you will - depending on how well you know Roland: ___ Pentax are expecting to show two new DSLR's at the Photokina show in september. One entry level/beginner DSLR (like the Nikon D70 and Canon 300D/Digital Rebel) and one more pro-oriented. The new entry level/beginner DSLR are near it's completion state and it's likely to be in shops early autumn. Pentax has officially declared that they will release two new DSLR's before the end of 2004, if this mean that the pro model will be out in the shops before christmas or just showned (announced) before the year ends - this I don't know. The new entry level/beginner model is said to be more plastic and has a simpler feature set than the *ist D. Nothing is known about the new pro DSLR, it's rumoured to use a different sensor than the current 6Mp from Sony. The *ist D uses a control interface similar to the Z-1p (shutter and aperture dials on the body). It has a plastic outer shell build upon a stainless steel chassi (quite similar in build to the Z-1p). The MZ-S has magnesium alloy inside and out. They have the same metering, but the actual results may differ since digital has a different light sensitivity and exposure latitude. Best wishes Roland __ * DA 14 Pentax has said that the DA 14 will be in the shops around mid-June. It's still May! Don't expect new products to be released earlier than Pentax has said. ;-) * New DA lenses Pentax are working on more lenses especially designed for DSLR's, news on this will come in time for the Photokina show. This includes both consumer friendly lenses and pro-products (to support the new pro-DSLR). The system is not dying, it's just several months between the PMA and the Photokina show which explain the inactivity. Pentax does not make major announcements and/or releases between shows... Have a cool summer and prepare yourself for the Photokina show. :-) By tradition, Pentax makes it's major announcements/releases at Photokina. Best wishes Roland
Re: PAW - Shana Punim in San Francisco
You often make comments quite a bit after a message has been posted and I don't save messages past a certain point. Ergo, I sometimes have no idea what you're talking about, and your comments are valuable enough that I'd like to reply or just know what the subject is. I can't believe you couldn't tell that it's the face of a child. Funny thing, it's less screwed up than the face of Frank's daughter in his sour puss photo. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I did not know it reached state of PITA... I find it quite normal for me at least to have to look for the original message when I am reading the reply. Well, here I am trying to correct myself g. It is Shana Punim all right, but there is one major problem that I see here. The child looks old with all the wrinkles on their face. Technically I should say I keep learning from you most of the time, this one included. However, if you did not write it was a kid I probably would have asked you about the age of the person on the photograph. SB http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/shana_punim.html
RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...
Oooh Rob, you rumour monger of someone else's rumours you (LOL) Cheers Shaun -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Photokina rumour mill has started... I think Roland Mabo used to post on here, but now uses Photozone. Take the following as you will - depending on how well you know Roland: ___ Pentax are expecting to show two new DSLR's at the Photokina show in september. One entry level/beginner DSLR (like the Nikon D70 and Canon 300D/Digital Rebel) and one more pro-oriented. The new entry level/beginner DSLR are near it's completion state and it's likely to be in shops early autumn. Pentax has officially declared that they will release two new DSLR's before the end of 2004, if this mean that the pro model will be out in the shops before christmas or just showned (announced) before the year ends - this I don't know. The new entry level/beginner model is said to be more plastic and has a simpler feature set than the *ist D. Nothing is known about the new pro DSLR, it's rumoured to use a different sensor than the current 6Mp from Sony. The *ist D uses a control interface similar to the Z-1p (shutter and aperture dials on the body). It has a plastic outer shell build upon a stainless steel chassi (quite similar in build to the Z-1p). The MZ-S has magnesium alloy inside and out. They have the same metering, but the actual results may differ since digital has a different light sensitivity and exposure latitude. Best wishes Roland __ * DA 14 Pentax has said that the DA 14 will be in the shops around mid-June. It's still May! Don't expect new products to be released earlier than Pentax has said. ;-) * New DA lenses Pentax are working on more lenses especially designed for DSLR's, news on this will come in time for the Photokina show. This includes both consumer friendly lenses and pro-products (to support the new pro-DSLR). The system is not dying, it's just several months between the PMA and the Photokina show which explain the inactivity. Pentax does not make major announcements and/or releases between shows... Have a cool summer and prepare yourself for the Photokina show. :-) By tradition, Pentax makes it's major announcements/releases at Photokina. Best wishes Roland
OT: a little of politics and news (Chechnya)
Hi, sorry for the topic. I will not put forth any political views, nor spur flames (hopefuly). I am not trying to start a flame war. I am just offering a lead to those interested. If interested in what is going on in the world: I draw your attention to region of Caucasus, Chechnya, a republic in the Russian Federation. Moscow-appointed (in totally manipulated elections) chechen president Kadyrow was killed in a bomb attack this Sunday. In a country where the second chechen-russian war is in its fourth year, this might lead to a further escalation of a conflict which is marked by growing neglect of any human righs obligations (by both sides). All this quite overlooked by the world, with most media coverage only on Iraq. BTW, Lev Nikolayeitch Tolstoy wrote several stories on the region, which are essential to understanding even the current conflict: Hadzi Murat Caucasian prisoner I hope this OT message won't offend you or clutter your mailbox much :) Those interested in further information might have a look at websites of these institutions: www.rferl.org (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the BEST news coverage of the world, IMO) www.tol.cz (Transitions Online) www.amnesty.org www.hrw.org (Humand rights organisations) www.watchdog.cz (coverage of Caucasus, treasure trove of links on the conflict and region) Good light, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: A tale of two cameras
Hopefully by next TOPDML meet, i won't have that problem. Just a teeny weeny camera and a 28- 105.vbg Dave Wah, waah, wah!! My Nikon's so heavy! My Canon's sooo heavy! My arms are sore. My neck and shoulders hurt! Waaahh!! We true Pentaxians feel so sorry for you turncoats... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A tale of two cameras Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:58:36 US/Eastern Hi Wendy. Thats a nice shot. I know what you mean about weight.Man the D1/D2H with the 80-200f2.8 gets heavy fast.Its balanced well but heavy.Glad to hear the Pentax and prime worked well.I may do the same and get the Pentax for personal use and for presentations at shows.Then i dont have to change lenses in windy dusty conditions or carry around two heavy cameras. The Nikon is not that great in low light conditions either.Sounds like Canon has that beat.Although my buddy has the 1d and i have features he wants and visa versa. I shot some of our riders in an indoor ring Sunday.ISO 1600 got me at best 400 th at f 2.8.Bad back light and its obviously grainy,but for 2x3 thumbnails for the show book,look fine.Panning helps to.I'm never sure how to WB these things.Cloudy for indoor or tungsten. Thank god for PS.lol Dave Saturday was the Tibetan Terrier Show. Didn't get to take my group shot after all. The show ended and most people buggered off. Penny, the organiser, was most disappointed. She had been looking forward to having a pic with 39 Tibetan terriers and their people. I was rather relieved! Anyway, I was totally exhausted after standing around for 4 hours watching little hairy dogs trotting around a ring and lifting a 10D with 70-200/2.8 (IS/USM) attached. The other camera I had with me was the *istD with a 77mm. What a beauty! That combo is absolutely fantastic and I love it to death! The best photos of the day were with that pairing. Wide open and at ISO 800 was pretty darn good! The only downside is that the low-light focusing on the istD is crap! The Canon is miles better in that respect. For handling and quality of photos, the Pentax won hands down. Who'd a thought it! OTOH, handholding at 1/45s with an IS lens didn't turn out too bad g http://www.pbase.com/image/28822431 Wendy Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW03: Spoleto
Hi Boris: Here they are: http://www.dariobonazza.com/_IGP2034c01.jpg http://www.dariobonazza.com/_IGP2034c02.jpg Original picture was taken with the *ist D placed on top of my car, shooting a few pix in bulb mode and checking them on the LCD. A lower ISO setting and a proper tripod could lead to better results from the technical point of view. However, I rather like this shot. Dario - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: Re: PAW03: Spoleto Hi! Fascinating. Dario, could you please post (off-PAW) a crop of dark and light areas so that we could see a level of noise or lack thereof? Really fascinating! DB http://www.dariobonazza.com/paw/paw03e.htm DB Sort of a postcard this time, inspired by Gianco's Spoleto. DB Ciao, DB Dario Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAW: Sign of the Times ?
Nice one Fred. Well if it does happen,atleast i own two for the front end.Just have to find the buggy.vbg Dave With the ever increasing cost of gasoline I wonder if we'll be seeing more of these signs springing up in North America. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2352258 -- Fred Widall, PeopleSoft Developer, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall --
