Re: Zenitar 16/2.0 on istD, other istD questions
Hi Shel, I own the 2.8/16mm Fisheye(do you mean this one?). I am quite pleased by the good results (regarding the price of the lens). I used it on my *ist D and the resolution is good enough. I saw no obvious chromatic aberration. Only when pointing towards the sun there was some reflexes visible but not too bad for such a wide lens (one cannot use a lens hood). Best regards, Hans. _ 23a mail
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On 5/26/04 7:42 PM, "Henri Toivonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter J. Alling wrote: > >> Peter J. Alling wrote: >> >>> I'm not exactly certain but the Vivitar may qualify as a cult >>> classic. Vivitar produced at least 5 different f2.8 >>> 135mm lenses. Most were interchangeable mount either T, T4 or TX and >>> one was the **Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 CF. >>> This lens features a remarkable 1:2 reproduction ratio for a non >>> macro lens. I can't tell from you description >>> if that is the lens you're referring to but you can read at least a >>> little more about it here: >>> >>> http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html >>> >>> Cosina also produced at least two different 200/4 lenses. I know >>> little or nothing about them. >>> I'm sure the vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price >>> for both lenses. >> >> >> That should be I'm sure the Vivitar is worth considerably more than >> the asking price "IF IT'S THE CF". > > Any way of telling from looking at one? > > http://images.tradera.com/997/6261997_1.jpg > > /Henri > >
RE: Negative scan to photo?
The only stupid question is the one you don't ask they always say! First of all most scanning software that is designed to scan negatives automatically converts it to positive. The only exception is when you scan to a raw file in a program such as Vuescan or actually the Minolta software will do it as well. In this case you simply invert the image and waalaa you have a standard positive image. In the case of a raw file the color levels will need to be adjusted since no editing has been done by the scanner at all and all the original scanned information is retained in the raw file which is advantageous at times. Hope this helps Dave -Original Message- From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Negative scan to photo? Hi Dave this may be a stupid question, but how do you convert a negative scan into a positive (photo) in photoshop or else? thanks Markus > long time since I put a negative through the epson and now I remember why! > It's very slow compared to the Minolta and the quality much >rovement in the 2400dpi scan over the 1600 in the epson? > > Dave
RE: GFM weather
The highest excepting tornadoes right? -Shawn -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GFM weather Ah. I see the confusion. I quoted the recorded wind speed at the summit of Mt. Washington (which, unless I'm very much mistaken, is the highest wind speed ever recorded anywhere on earth). If GFM gets upto 194mph, that's pretty darn windy! > Unless there have been higher speeds recorded in the last 6 months, GFM > record is 194. > > Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > > > > > I believe you're wrong - my memory says 231mph is the record. > > > > > > > Oh yes, the record wind speed on the summit is 194 mph. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "David Sprinkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For anyone who may be interested, the current weather conditions at > the > > > > > summit of Grandfather Mountain are available at: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/single_site.asp?id=LINVL > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Negative scan to photo?
- Original Message - From: "Markus Maurer" Subject: Negative scan to photo? > Hi Dave > this may be a stupid question, but how do you convert a negative scan into a > positive (photo) in photoshop or else? Tell the scanner what you are scanning. It does the conversion before it hits the image editor. William Robb
Negative scan to photo?
Hi Dave this may be a stupid question, but how do you convert a negative scan into a positive (photo) in photoshop or else? thanks Markus > long time since I put a negative through the epson and now I remember why! > It's very slow compared to the Minolta and the quality much >rovement in the 2400dpi scan over the 1600 in the epson? > > Dave
Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece
It's not about your site. It's about someone on your domain, earthlink. Regards, Bob... --- "No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 26 May, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece > Bob, that's highly unlikely. Perhaps there's some other problem, but my > site is - AFAIK, of course - safe and secure. It's just a simple link to a > picture. I wouldn't know how to set up something like you've described, > and why would I even want to. > > Shel Belinkoff > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 5/26/2004 6:59:04 PM > > Subject: Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece > > > > The link given attempts to retrieve my ebay password! If it weren't for > > ZoneAlarm, I'd never have known it! > > > > Regards, > > Bob... > > > >
Re: Uninspired attempted...
That's a very nice family photo, pity it was shot with a Canon :-) Can't blame me, Pentax should label the *ist D as cheap as A80. Any details WRT illumination? Surprisingly simple. A large white reflector as background, and the natural light coming from the ceiling window took care everything. That's a poor man's studio. :-) Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: GFM weather
Ah. I see the confusion. I quoted the recorded wind speed at the summit of Mt. Washington (which, unless I'm very much mistaken, is the highest wind speed ever recorded anywhere on earth). If GFM gets upto 194mph, that's pretty darn windy! > Unless there have been higher speeds recorded in the last 6 months, GFM > record is 194. > > Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > > > > > I believe you're wrong - my memory says 231mph is the record. > > > > > > > Oh yes, the record wind speed on the summit is 194 mph. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "David Sprinkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For anyone who may be interested, the current weather conditions at > the > > > > > summit of Grandfather Mountain are available at: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/single_site.asp?id=LINVL > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: Ball Heads
I have the G1276M MK2 ballhead and it seems to lock very tight in my experience. It's only rated to 11 pounds, but would definitely hold a 300 or even 400mm lens with ease Check out this shot of it in action: http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/PDML/1276mMK2.jpg This is over 10 pounds, probably 15, and even so, I had to loosen it quite a ways before it finally slipped under the weight. The head is only rated to 11 pounds, but obviously has a higher ceiling than that. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ball Heads Have Gitzo improved their ballhead that much? I used G275 & G1276 ballheads and I would not use anything longer than 200mm on them. Those heads just would not lock tight enough for precise composition, especially when tilted vertically. Vibration is another issue, especially when the wind blows. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan >the 308 mounted on a good set of legs and set up properly should have no >problems with a 400/5.6. i use the Gitzo 1177M, which is a smaller head, on >a Gitzo 1128 CF tripod and have no problems with my FA* 400/5.6 and the >*istD. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Uninspired attempted...
On 26 May 2004 at 21:47, Alan Chan wrote: > This is what happened when an uninspired person got nothing better to > photograph... :-( > > http://www.pbase.com/image/29427294 That's a very nice family photo, pity it was shot with a Canon :-) Any details WRT illumination? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Uninspired attempted...
This is what happened when an uninspired person got nothing better to photograph... :-( http://www.pbase.com/image/29427294 Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
4 x 5 camera needed for indi film in NY area
A young lady came by today to rent some stuff from me for a film - mainly kitchen stuff but also some of my photos and paintings - not signed and sealed yet, but will be on Sunday... But she needs a 4 x 5 camera (from the 70's or earlier) and a tripod for same for a prop to be used for a couple of weeks in June.. IT need not work Does anyone have such an item? I don't think they can afford to make a huge investment but it is a major prop, and I don't have one to rent or lend. She is, I guess, the prop mistress for this venture and her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and her name is Anna. I told her I'd ask you guys Now I'm off to sleep annsan wondering how she is going to get up at crack of dawn on the mountain
Re: GFM weather
Unless there have been higher speeds recorded in the last 6 months, GFM record is 194. Bill - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > I believe you're wrong - my memory says 231mph is the record. > > > > Oh yes, the record wind speed on the summit is 194 mph. > > > > Bill > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "David Sprinkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:34 AM > > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > > > > > > For anyone who may be interested, the current weather conditions at the > > > > summit of Grandfather Mountain are available at: > > > > > > > > http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/single_site.asp?id=LINVL > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > >
RE: PAW - Kathy and Her Niece
Hi Frank ... I was waiting for your comments. Thanks for getting around to posting them. Yes, Kathy was a hippie, but then, so were many of us back in those days. The stories i could tell Kathy and her "old man," Dick, were very good friends, and these photos were taken in a different neighborhood than the kids. The kids were around my studio, the series with Kathy was taken across town ,near where I lived. The door is the door to Kathy's apartment. We spent a while outside making photos, and both Kathy and her niece were having a grand time, being silly, being loving, and kidding around for the camera. This was my first ever photo session, although, in those days, I didn't think of it like that. We were just having fun, kidding around. Anyway, those were the days when film was cheap, and I carried the Spottie everywhere, photographing everyone and everything. I'll tell you how much I used that Spottie: it was chrome, and in a little more than a year the brass was showing through in a couple of places. I loved that camera. When my studio was broken into, that was the camera that was taken. The Bronica, the Bolex movie cam, the Nikons, and lots of other expensive gear was not touched. And, rather than react with a sigh of relief, I was devastated. Shel and the Spotmatic were inseparable until that moment. Shel Belinkoff > [Original Message] > From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 5/26/2004 3:10:09 PM > Subject: RE: PAW - Kathy and Her Niece > > One of the joys of photography (or any art, I suppose), is how one's opinion > can change WRT an object as one examines and "gets into" it. That's one of > the things I like about commenting on PAWs: it forces me to really get into > a photo that I like, and I can sometimes end up with a different conclusion > than I did at first blush. > > When I first viewed these two photos, I preferred Kathy and Her Neice (this > one). Now I don't. As I got into the other, I came to like it more, > because there was so much going on in that one between the two. > > Hard to compare, I guess, as this is a more formal portrait. What hit me on > first viewing (other than how beautiful each are, and how obviously they > love each other), is that Kathy looks like such a Hippy. The coat, the > pigtails, the face unadorned by make-up. She's just so fresh and clean > looking. I don't know if she was an actual Hippy or not, but I thought, > "Wow, she looks like one!". Unlike some of your other shots of the > neighbourhood kids, this photo is set in a very particular time: it could > only be late 60's, IMHO. Very Cool! > > Love the background: the railing framing her, the stairs, the columns and > door; they're all wonderful details that put her in a place, and > aesthetically they centre the two, draw us in. Fabulous. And > (unfortunately, I had to delete the other replies to this, so I have no idea > what anyone else said), did anyone else notice the door, ever so slightly > ajar? What a great detail. And, beautifully OOF, too (the background, that > is). > > Beautiful portrait, Shel. I like the other just a bit better, but not by > much. They're both terrific. > > thanks, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer >
Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece
Bob, that's highly unlikely. Perhaps there's some other problem, but my site is - AFAIK, of course - safe and secure. It's just a simple link to a picture. I wouldn't know how to set up something like you've described, and why would I even want to. Shel Belinkoff > [Original Message] > From: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 5/26/2004 6:59:04 PM > Subject: Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece > > The link given attempts to retrieve my ebay password! If it weren't for > ZoneAlarm, I'd never have known it! > > Regards, > Bob...
Re: Ball Heads
Have Gitzo improved their ballhead that much? I used G275 & G1276 ballheads and I would not use anything longer than 200mm on them. Those heads just would not lock tight enough for precise composition, especially when tilted vertically. Vibration is another issue, especially when the wind blows. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan the 308 mounted on a good set of legs and set up properly should have no problems with a 400/5.6. i use the Gitzo 1177M, which is a smaller head, on a Gitzo 1128 CF tripod and have no problems with my FA* 400/5.6 and the *istD. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW dragonfly
http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/cgi-bin/IB3/ikonboard.cgi?s=e95891695bbf0bdba6d c7d9563113c89;act=ST;f=9;t=4 that link should work Frank. -SHawn -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW dragonfly Neither link work for me. -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer >From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: PAW dragonfly >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:05:40 -0400 > >http://makeashorterlink.com/?O10332668 > >If this doesn't work try: > >http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/cgi-bin/IB3/ikonboard.cgi?s=af7ea03d84fdfa9ba3 9 >369a476bba910;act=ST;f=9;t=4;r=1 > >Let me know what you think! > > >-Shawn > _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: GFM weather
I believe you're wrong - my memory says 231mph is the record. > Oh yes, the record wind speed on the summit is 194 mph. > > Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "David Sprinkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: GFM weather > > > > Bill, > > > > Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > > > > Dave > > > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > > > > For anyone who may be interested, the current weather conditions at the > > > summit of Grandfather Mountain are available at: > > > > > > http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/single_site.asp?id=LINVL > > > > > > Bill > > > > >
RE: PAW: "Shell"
Dave, Sorry it's taken so long to comment, but I love this photo! That backlighting is absolutely spectacular. Wonderful detail, comp is A1. I love the pattern of the sand in front of the shell, the mottled sand in the background, lovely bokeh. Terrific shot! I'd have never noticed it to take it. That you did says something about the way you see the world when you have a camera with you. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: "Shell" Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 22:00:31 +1200 Hi all, This week's image is from the beach. http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=22-May-2004 Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW dragonfly
Neither link work for me. -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PAW dragonfly Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:05:40 -0400 http://makeashorterlink.com/?O10332668 If this doesn't work try: http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/cgi-bin/IB3/ikonboard.cgi?s=af7ea03d84fdfa9ba39 369a476bba910;act=ST;f=9;t=4;r=1 Let me know what you think! -Shawn _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW - Legacy
She actually looks like she's grunting! I guess I would too, if I had to push all that crap out of my body (no jokes, please!). Another amazing bug photo, David. Mind you, we're getting used to them by now... thanks, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: David Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Legacy Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:19:22 +1000 Got to witness something that I always think of as quite special - a mantid ovipositing (that means laying eggs... and an ootheca is an egg-case) Like many insects, these things generally exist in the winter only in the form of eggs tucked away somewhere safe - at this time of year (it's autumn in Oz remember) the adult female is getting cold, her prey is scarce, and to ensure the continuation of her species she has to make a little foamy ootheca before her death. Come spring, ichneumons permitting, out will come a little regiment of baby mantids, at first hanging from silk threads, then going out to make their way in the world. I don't know whether I've managed to express myself well enough, but it is something that to me is quite touching. Needless to say, when I saw this one, I got my camera and took some snaps. It's Orthodera ministralis, the Garden Mantid. These things also have some pretty spectacular flash/display colouration. http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/mantid.jpg As you can see, it's just finishing up the ootheca, and had scarpered five minutes later. *ist D, tamron 90mm/2.5 & 2x TC @ f8, 400ASA, inbuilt flash, af360fgz off camera, bit of afternoon sunlight. David _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW - Exhausted
I'll tell you next Thursday. Bill > I would ask what exactly is puckering, but I don't think I want to know... > > -frank
Re: PAW - Exhausted
I would ask what exactly is puckering, but I don't think I want to know... -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Exhausted Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:32:01 -0700 I think the two guys on the left are emptying their pilot relief tubes... I guess so! And I don't blame them at all! Flying like that is always mega-pucker time! keith frank theriault wrote: Holy Crap, whatta shot! -frank [...] From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Exhausted Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:06:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 May 2004 at 22:20, Gonz wrote: Here is one of the shots I got of the planes in a daredevil formation: http://home.austin.rr.com/randj/pics/imgp1693.jpg [...] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: The Sojourn Approacheth
You mean there's actually a song called "Midnight Train to Georgia"? I had no idea... BTW, wonderful lyrics, Butch, but, er, don't give up your day job! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just for you Frank T'ronto, too much for the man So he's going south to find a Pentax place and time We got to deal with him on that midnight bus to Pittsburgh We'd rather look at his prints and listen to his tall tales (to the tune of Midnight train to Georgia, of course) Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
Earlier Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked if there was a compelling argument that would sway his child's principle to teach photography using a darkroom. Kevin - Regardless of our many opinions and experiences with in the darkroom, I think you are wasting your time, and missing a chance to teach children about photography by pursuing the darkroom issue. From the standpoint of the school administration, film and darkroom supplies are one more drain on shrinking a shrinking school budget, a possible danger to the children (real or imagined) and one more thing that will eat up possibly eat up the administrations time if something goes wrong. If you're really trying to teach children the basics of photography, you sure don't need a darkroom. The short feedback loop of digital will increase the speed of learning for the kids. Frankly, I think it would be much easier to teach photography without all of the silly mechanics of the darkroom getting in the way. While the smell of the chemicals brings back happy memories for you, I and many of the members of the list, It's something that is part of our generation's learning experience, not that of the kids. I remember a transition period where "they" said we had to learn how to use a slide rule before we learned to use a calculator. This is pretty much nonsense. Although the slide rule is a pretty neat way to demonstrate logarithmic relationships. I remember when Computer Aided Design was young, "they" said people needed to learn manual drafting skills before getting on the computer. Again, nonsense. Even though those manual skills are useful, they are not a pre-requisite. There is just no compelling reason. We learned to do many electronic editing techniques as analogs of our darkroom methods because we were building on what we knew. That doesn't make it necessary for someone else to learn that way. In fact, it may make it much more difficult. If you've been following this list, you've watched several of us travel up the digital learning curve. When Michael Reichman reviewed the *istD and said that the histogram should be added to the quick preview, and asked that the ISO setting be always displayed somewhere many of the list members discounted these ideas. That's because we weren't used to thinking of histograms and didn't think of resetting the ISO speed for every photo. After many of us have gained experience with the camera, several have changed their opinions and now desire these features. At this point, I can't imagine teaching anyone about exposures without incorporating the concept of histograms. And as far as the exposure is concerned, ISO is a much more important part of the decision than it was in the past. That being said. If these are young children I'd be tempted to use very simple auto-exposure point & shoot cameras and concentrate on composition for a long time before even talking about expousre. Now, if you want to teach it as a skill in and of itself, like oil painting or basket weaving, that's just fine. But don't our generations experience with the darkroom as something necessary for the "proper" photographic learning experience. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Darkroom or Digital for beginners Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My childrens school is to be offering photography as a subject. I have talked to the principle about this and he is very keen about an all digital photo lab type set up. He stated that with a darkroom there was could be problems with Occupational Health and Safety (OHS) with the use of chemicals and children with asthma. Also as the world was going digital this would be a real world solution. The school is well equipped with computers, so there would be no need to build another (dark)room for processing. Added to this there is no cost of film. He did say he could be swayed if there was a compelling arguement in favour of film. If you have any reasons why children should be learning in a darkroom, I would love to hear them and pass them on. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia --
@ Colrd
They have a 90mm Tamron Adaptall macro lens, if anyone is interested. Collin
Re: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece
The link given attempts to retrieve my ebay password! If it weren't for ZoneAlarm, I'd never have known it! Regards, Bob... From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Shel, > > Sorry it took so long to get to these, but I got behind on the list > generally, and PAWs especially, over the long weekend that we had here in > the Great White North. > > I like them both a great deal, but I'll deal with Another Shot first. > > What I like about this one is the spontaneity (sp?) of it. The obvious joy > of each individual, and the bond that they share comes shining through. > > I really like the positions of their bodies/heads. Heads tilted in opposite > directions, bodies more or less the same position; there's a certain > pleasing symmetry there that I enjoy. > > And, of course, their interactions: the Kathy's hug of the body with one > hand, playfully grabbing the forehead with the other, the distortion on the > neice's face (from Kathy's hand, and the huge grin), > > It's a terrific photo, but you made it even better with the tight crop, > which really brings us into all of the above. > > I'm glad you shared it with us! > > >From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >This was taken at the same time as the earlier photo. I thought I'd put > >'em up on the same day since the two photos are part of one photo session. > >I might put up a third as well. > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/kathy_and_niece2.html
RE: SMC 20-35 lens for sale! (lowered price)
-Original Message- From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:13 PM To: Shawn K. Subject: RE: SMC 20-35 lens for sale! (lowered price) I am lowering the price on this lens to $350 shipping included in the USA. Here are some shots of the lens: http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/EBAY/SMC2035a.jpg http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/EBAY/SMC2035b.jpg http://www.bluehorizon3d.com/EBAY/SMC2035c.jpg Email me off-list if you are interested. -Shawn K.
Re: Ball Heads
that's a different problem and going to a larger head won't solve it. the tension adjustment isn't supposed to hold the camera/lens combination by itself. it's there so that when you loosen the lock, the whole thing doesn't fall over. except when you are holding the camera, the head should be locked. if you really need free movement capability with stability, a ball head isn't the right solution. you need a gimbal mount. Herb - Original Message - From: "Scott Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Ball Heads > the legset is a Manfrotto 190CL. I have to problems with rigidity, but > rather the head is not smooth, and moves too much when I lock it. I'd > like to be able to set enough tension that the lens doesn't move when I > take my hands off it, but so that I can still move it around. > > Right now, when I set enough tension to hold the lens, movement is very > jerky and difficult. If I set it tight enough to move easily, there is > too much play and the lens doesn't stay where I want it.
Re: Vivitar and Cosina
I did a quick search on ebay. I found one in Nikon mount with good pictures. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48556&item=3817108368&rd=1 I don't think the one your looking at is the same but I can't be sure. There does seem to be a PK mount one on ebay right now however, the picture hoovers however. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4688&item=3818124789&rd=1 Henri Toivonen wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: I'm not exactly certain but the Vivitar may qualify as a cult classic. Vivitar produced at least 5 different f2.8 135mm lenses. Most were interchangeable mount either T, T4 or TX and one was the **Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 CF. This lens features a remarkable 1:2 reproduction ratio for a non macro lens. I can't tell from you description if that is the lens you're referring to but you can read at least a little more about it here: http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html Cosina also produced at least two different 200/4 lenses. I know little or nothing about them. I'm sure the vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price for both lenses. That should be I'm sure the Vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price "IF IT'S THE CF". Any way of telling from looking at one? http://images.tradera.com/997/6261997_1.jpg /Henri
Re: Vivitar and Cosina
Henri, The front ring on a Vivitar 135/2.8 Close Focus says "AUTO TELEPHOTO CLOSE FOCUSING ... No. 28xx... o62mm ... Vivitar... 135MM 1:2.8". It has minimum focus distance 0.8 m, weight 0.42 kg (incl. M42 > K adapter), max. diameter 70mm, length at inf focus 84mm. It is an excellent lens. I use mine handheld and on a M42 bellows. There is one for sale right now on eBay as item 3818124789 (not mine). The ... indicate spaces, the '28' in the s/n '28xx' indicates it was made by Komine (see www.cameraquest.com/VivLensManuf.htm) and the 'o' of 'o62mm' is the greek letter 'phi', which is a symbol for 'diameter'. Jim, see SPLOSdb (big4) at www.jcolwell.ca
Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
change a couple of words and that is what painters said about photography. Herb - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners > Quote (not precisely his words, just the best I can remember) from David > Hockney, last week: > "With the advent of digital imaging and computer manipulation, most > output has been reduced to the level of badly drawn photographs" > > mike > >
Re: Ball Heads
i have a CF short column for my Gitzo to make ground work easier. Herb - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Ball Heads > I use the 308RC with my A*300/2.8 and TCs without any problems too. I don't > think that there are many heads that capable for the weight, I use mine for > trekking coupled with a Carbon legs set, I often also discard the centre post > and connect it straight to the leg set to further reduce the weight.
Re: Ball Heads
the 308 mounted on a good set of legs and set up properly should have no problems with a 400/5.6. i use the Gitzo 1177M, which is a smaller head, on a Gitzo 1128 CF tripod and have no problems with my FA* 400/5.6 and the *istD. Herb - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Ball Heads > 308 is a small head. I would be surprised if it can handle 400/5.6, or even > 300/4.5. The AS B1 I have can handle 300/4.5 nicely w/o tripod collar, if > care is taken.
Re: Let's get into real cameras
> > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040525/D82PL2I80.html > > 9x18 negs that are scanned, PS-manipulated as needed, and then printed to 5'x10' > (about 1.52m x 3.05m). Seems to be the best of LF & digital technologies. Some really good ideas, and some really questionable ones. Using a vacuum back to keep the film flat, and an optical alignment system, are definitely a good idea (although I'm pretty sure I've heard of the vacuum back technique before). Mind you, I have to wonder if the lens being used has an image plane that is flat to anywhere near that precision. Ending up being forced to use an emulsion with inaccurate colour renditions (presumably a limitation of what films are available for the body he started with) is a bad thing.
Re: DSLR Burst mode
On 27 May 2004 at 8:22, Peter Loveday wrote: > Unfortunately HD cam doesn't really compete with film yet in terms of > dynamic range or resolution. Most people likely wouldn't notice the lack of > res, but its certainly there. The dynamic range is another matter, horrible > shadow detail, or blown highlights... if you could sit through the tedious plot > and bad acting long enough to even notice, that is :) The rationale is that the contrast and resolution limits of the digital media capture and delivery will be as good as or better than the projected quality of the multi-generational film prints. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Universal lensmount
On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 22:20, Jens Bladt wrote: > Imagine there was an universal lens mount. (imagine that tires for a Ford > would only fit a Ford...!!!???) > Then perhaps each manufactor would be doing exactly what they are best at. > What would Petnax be doing? Just lenses? > All the best > Jens > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > _ > > > > There is one now - 4/3 system mount is an open specification. I suspect Sigma might put out a DSLR here eventually.
Re: Ball Heads
On 26 May 2004 at 17:31, Scott Nelson wrote: > Right now, when I set enough tension to hold the lens, movement is very > jerky and difficult. If I set it tight enough to move easily, there is > too much play and the lens doesn't stay where I want it. The 308RC can only be used locked, it can't be reliably set to allow movement. If you need to be able to move the lens there will be a large weight penalty on the head. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Ball Heads
That thing is massive, but the midsized 'universal' one is more what i'm looking for. It's still on the heavy side though: Acratech: 450g Markins:510g Novoflex: 610g Arca-Swiss: 772g Now before people start complaining that 100g isn't a lot, let me say that I cut my toothbrush handle in half and drilled holes in the remaining stub to save weight. I also recently spent $120 CAD on a new ice axe to save about 250g. Scott On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 23:41, Fred wrote: > > Are there any other heads I should consider? > > I am personally enamored with the Novoflex MagicBall - smoothly > holds 22 pounds (10 kg) with a truly unique design. (Novoflex also > has two smaller versions of this critter - the MagicBall Universal > and the MagicBall Mini, as well as one more-or-less traditional ball > head design, the Classic Ball 5.) > > http://www.novoflex.com/english/html/co_esz.php > > http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/600's/grn600-2.jpg > > Fred > >
Re: Vivitar and Cosina
Not that picture. The front ring around the lens should have either CF or Close Focusing engraved somewhere. Additionally the lens focuses to about 20 in. (1.5 feet or ~.05 meters) I don't remember if this is engraved on the focusing scale but you can't see if from this image either. Henri Toivonen wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: I'm not exactly certain but the Vivitar may qualify as a cult classic. Vivitar produced at least 5 different f2.8 135mm lenses. Most were interchangeable mount either T, T4 or TX and one was the **Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 CF. This lens features a remarkable 1:2 reproduction ratio for a non macro lens. I can't tell from you description if that is the lens you're referring to but you can read at least a little more about it here: http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html Cosina also produced at least two different 200/4 lenses. I know little or nothing about them. I'm sure the vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price for both lenses. That should be I'm sure the Vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price "IF IT'S THE CF". Any way of telling from looking at one? http://images.tradera.com/997/6261997_1.jpg /Henri
Re: Ball Heads
the legset is a Manfrotto 190CL. I have to problems with rigidity, but rather the head is not smooth, and moves too much when I lock it. I'd like to be able to set enough tension that the lens doesn't move when I take my hands off it, but so that I can still move it around. Right now, when I set enough tension to hold the lens, movement is very jerky and difficult. If I set it tight enough to move easily, there is too much play and the lens doesn't stay where I want it. -Scott On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 03:22, Herb Chong wrote: > i don't see why you should have problems with that head using that lens. > what are your tripod legs? > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:17 AM > Subject: Ball Heads > > > > I'm looking for a new ball head to replace my manfrotto 308RC, which > > isn't cut out to handle my 400mm f/5.6. Since I hike with the tripod a > > fair bit, weight is a priority. At the moment, I'm considering two > > possibilities: The Acratech ultimate ball head and the Markins M-10. > > I've seen the specs for both, and the main tradeoffs seem to be better > > tension control on the markins, lighter weight and lower cost for the > > acratech. > >
Re: Night shots on the beach
Dario At the risk of just repeating what others have said - they are great shots. I particularly liked the hot air balloons - but I'm a bit of a sucker for saturated colours against a black background. I hope to do as well someday. Brian + Brian Walters Australian Plants Societies http://farrer.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/ On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:02 , 'Dario Bonazza' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >Since there was not a single comment, not even a dislike one, I'm afraid I >issed the magical formula. Here it is: > >"Commentswelcome" > >Dario Msg sent via Spymac Mail - http://www.spymac.com
RE: DSLR Burst mode
John Francis said: > [...] > > I believe there was *no* film shot for Episode II: it was > "all digital, all the way". > > From what I remember at the time the digital film cameras > are based on regular film cameras, rather than on video > cameras, so that all the usual lenses, cranes, etc. can > be used. The sensor is a half-frame sensor (i.e. just > about the same size as that used in the *ist-D), with 6MP. > > Burst mode in 6MP for extended number of frames! So I guess the digital frames will be similar to the 35mm film frames of the Panavision format "Goldeneye" shown here: http://www.dvdaust.com/film_to_tape.htm i.e. compressed horizontally to match the aspect ratio of the 35mm format. I guess there's no need to allow for space for the audio tracks on the digital frames! Peter Loveday said: > > [...] > > For shooting live, things like this are shot on various HD > cameras, and > recorded to digital magnetic tape, such as sony HDCAM format, > or Panasonic > DVCPRO HD Cinema camera (being the two major companies used > in High-Def > production). Both are compressed digital video formats. > While they are > similar to DV being digital video on mag-tape, I wouldn't > call them the same > thing... its a bit like saying a billy cart and an F1 car are > the same as > they both have wheels :) HD resolution is basically > 1920x1080, though > vaious formats often have less resolution than this. While HDTV is > typically 30fps interlaced, HD capture is usually done at > 24fps progressive > to match film, then 'multi-mastered' (converted to a varienty > of formats, > such as film, 30fps TV, 25fps TV etc) from there. > Maybe using tape is a solution for longer burst mode. Put it in the vertical grip:-) And the 1920x1080 format must be the 6MP sensor that John mentioned. Doesn't seem to be sufficient for use in the cinema, though. Certainly can't match the resolution of the 70mm film. > > For neg-scanning for digital post production from 35mm cinema > film, this is > done with a film scanner, such as a Kodak Cineon, Arri Laser, > or similar. > Some TeleCine machines (used to convert film to video) also have this > capability, usually not at the same quality however. For > digital post > production, 35mm film (which is a smaller size frame to 35mm > still, being > rotated on the film) is usually scanned at either "2k" > (2048x1536) or "4k" > (4096x3112) resolution, depending on requirements and budget. > This is > called a 'full-frame' scan, often not all of the frame is > used, and a crop > is applied for "academy crop", or other formats. For anamorphic > (widescreen/cinemascope), the film neg is still 35mm, but optically > stretched to be wider. Scanning is still usually done at 4:3 > aspect, and > then dealt with as non-square pixels in processing. Note that this > resolution is true resolution for each colour channel, R G > and B are all > scanned at full resultion, not interpolated bayer data. This > would give a > "4k" scan approx 38 megapixels (or photosites really) in > digicam terms, > despite only having 12.7 million actual pixels. Digicam > marketting has a > lot to answer for :( > This now makes sense for me after I visited the film to tape page. The 4k scan, or a digital sensor of that resolution, probably is enough for showing in cinema. When will they make a digital film camera with a 38MP sensor? > Love, Light and Peace, > - Peter Loveday > Director of Development, eyeon Software > Yefei
Re: GFM weather
I took the cog railway up with my ex husband when we were "courting" I think it was 1966 (?) anyway, it was the year before the cog railway fell off the track. IT was also a time where you could stay in a a room at the top... not something you could do much later... We had the only room with running water - for $24.00 , I think, for the night. It was t-shirt and shorts weather at the base and below freezing at the summit - and damn windy. This was a couple of years before we started camping and backpacking. On MT Katahdin, we hiked to the summit in July and there were two hale storms along the way. I don't have a bumper sticker from Mt. Washington , Frank - but I got pictures :) That was when I took the camera from my hubby to be and said -- can I try that??? annsan frank theriault wrote: > > I drove up Mt. Washington once! Got the bumper sticker and everything. > > It was cool. We'd be back in Canada, and see someone else with the bumper > sticker, and it was like being in a brotherhood (not "The Brotherhood", > which is something completely different...) or something. > > The going up and down and hanging around on top of the mountain was cool, > too. But the bumper sticker was cooler. > > cheers, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > >From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Be thankfull it's not Mt. Washington. > > _ > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Zenitar 16/2.0 on istD, other istD questions
Shel, I used it once and was a bit surprised because the contrast seemed low. I didn't investigate or test further because I will probably spring for the DA 14. Joe
Re: GFM weather
Oh yes, the record wind speed on the summit is 194 mph. Bill - Original Message - From: "David Sprinkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: GFM weather > Bill, > > Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > > Dave > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > > For anyone who may be interested, the current weather conditions at the > > summit of Grandfather Mountain are available at: > > > > http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/single_site.asp?id=LINVL > > > > Bill > >
Re: Vivitar and Cosina
Henri Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As I have no clue about these third-party brands, again, I ask for >comments about a couple of lenses: > >Vivitar 135/2.8, K-mount. >Cosina 200/4, K-mount. > >This is all I know about them. Could prolly get one or both really >cheap, ($30ish a piece). >Worth it? I actually have the Cosina 200/4.0 and it's a little gem! One or two stops down (I've never shot anything with it wide open) it's really very sharp indeed and comparable to much more expensive lenses. Definitely worth $30.00! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Vivitar and Cosina
Peter J. Alling wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: I'm not exactly certain but the Vivitar may qualify as a cult classic. Vivitar produced at least 5 different f2.8 135mm lenses. Most were interchangeable mount either T, T4 or TX and one was the **Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 CF. This lens features a remarkable 1:2 reproduction ratio for a non macro lens. I can't tell from you description if that is the lens you're referring to but you can read at least a little more about it here: http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html Cosina also produced at least two different 200/4 lenses. I know little or nothing about them. I'm sure the vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price for both lenses. That should be I'm sure the Vivitar is worth considerably more than the asking price "IF IT'S THE CF". Any way of telling from looking at one? http://images.tradera.com/997/6261997_1.jpg /Henri
RE: The Sojourn Approacheth
hop on the Midnight Bus to Pittsburgh (do you think they'll > make a song outta > that one? doubt it...) to begin my pilgrimage. Just for you Frank T'ronto, too much for the man So he's going south to find a Pentax place and time We got to deal with him on that midnight bus to Pittsburgh We'd rather look at his prints and listen to his tall tales (to the tune of Midnight train to Georgia, of course) Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: PAW: Bloor Street Flower Vendors
"Too arty for my own good?" I've been called far worse things... -artsy phartsy phrankie "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting, but, sometimes you can be too arty for your own good. This may be one of them. I'll have to think about it for a while. _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: DSLR Burst mode
> > The discussion about burst mode in *ist D suddenly reminds me > of one thing. I remember the film "Star Wars: attack of the > clones" was shot simultaneously digitally and on film. Now > that is 24 high-resolution frames per second for each cut, > which will be several minutes long at least. Does anybody know > of the technology used when shootng the film digitally? Well > we know digital camcorders are everywhere and affordable, > maybe a similar technology is used? I believe there was *no* film shot for Episode II: it was "all digital, all the way". >From what I remember at the time the digital film cameras are based on regular film cameras, rather than on video cameras, so that all the usual lenses, cranes, etc. can be used. The sensor is a half-frame sensor (i.e. just about the same size as that used in the *ist-D), with 6MP.
RE: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
On 26/5/04, DAVID MIERS, discombobulated, offered: >Kevin > >It would be better to have a photography class in digital then no >photography class, but I would agree with the comments that it is better to >learn in a chemical darkroom. I too just finished a photography class in >college and since I started the wrong way had to relearn the right way how >to take photographs. I found that I was way to dependant on the color to >make my images interesting. Limiting myself to B & W that had to be >developed in a darkroom taught me how to see things differently in the >camera viewer. It is a time tested method that properly teaches the student >how to properly compose an image with proper lighting. I started with a >digital camera and worked my way back to film cameras. I found digital very >easy as I'm sort of a natural with anything computer related for the most >part. Contrary to another comment on this thread, it was the chemical >darkroom that challenged me and really made me work hard, reach down deep >inside myself to create a good image. I found myself having a deeper >understanding of Photoshop especially with regard to the dodge and burn >brushes. However to this day I cannot recreate the dodge and burn effects >in Photoshop that I can now do in a chemical dark room. Working with an >enlarger vs. a scanner taught me much more about film grain as well. Grain >is part of the art form of Photography and while it can be inserted in a >computer, never looks right to me. All the noise and dust that is part of >digital photography is not attractive. > >Taking the picture, developing the film, printing it on an enlarger, and >developing in in chemical trays, all by hand, made me feel much more like an >artist and gave me much the same satisfaction that I suspect a painter feels >upon finishing their painting. I never felt that with the digital format, >be it directly from a digital camera or a film based scanner. My experience >with analog B & W has greatly helped me to create a better B & W image on >the computer as well since I now at least know how it "should look". > >If the school decides to pursue the digital class they really need to find >cameras that have at least 5 or 6 available apertures on them as well as >several available shutter speeds all with manual options. From my own >experience that is one of biggest problems with digital P&S that they have >only a couple of options here. It needs to have a B & W option as well as >the ability to turn the flash completely off. If your going to use a flash, >my instructor literally pounded this into our heads, the last place you ever >want to use it is on the camera itself! Thus you need to have a camera with >wireless flash option or has a flash PC terminal or limit the students to >not use flash at all which for the most part is better anyways. > >I now look upon the idea of film vanishing with great sadness. Photography >is classified as a Fine Art, but I don't think I ever really understood why, >until taking this class. I question whether or not Photography's status as >a Fine Art will continue into the digital world. I would have to say my >instructor did his job well. And he gave me an "A" too!!! Yayyy... 8) > >Dave You nearly (but not quite) made me cry, Dave. That's a bloody good reason. I've changed my mind - there's a good reason for pursuing a chemical darkroom! I've got some film somewhere.. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
RE: PAW - Kathy and Her Niece
One of the joys of photography (or any art, I suppose), is how one's opinion can change WRT an object as one examines and "gets into" it. That's one of the things I like about commenting on PAWs: it forces me to really get into a photo that I like, and I can sometimes end up with a different conclusion than I did at first blush. When I first viewed these two photos, I prefered Kathy and Her Neice (this one). Now I don't. As I got into the other, I came to like it more, because there was so much going on in that one between the two. Hard to compare, I guess, as this is a more formal portrait. What hit me on first viewing (other than how beautiful each are, and how obviously they love each other), is that Kathy looks like such a Hippy. The coat, the pigtails, the face unadorned by make-up. She's just so fresh and clean looking. I don't know if she was an actual Hippy or not, but I thought, "Wow, she looks like one!". Unlike some of your other shots of the neighbourhood kids, this photo is set in a very particular time: it could only be late 60's, IMHO. Very Cool! Love the background: the railing framing her, the stairs, the columns and door; they're all wonderful details that put her in a place, and aesthetically they centre the two, draw us in. Fabulous. And (unfortunately, I had to delete the other replies to this, so I have no idea what anyone else said), did anyone else notice the door, ever so slightly ajar? What a great detail. And, beautifully OOF, too (the background, that is). Beautiful portrait, Shel. I like the other just a bit better, but not by much. They're both terrific. thanks, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW - Kathy and Her Niece Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:31:15 -0400 Beautiful!! Just a quick look, likely more comments to follow... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Kathy and Her Niece Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:33:33 -0700 It was the summer of 1968, and I was living in a small apartment in San Francisco. Across the panhandle, on Cole Street , lived Dick and Kathy, the Haight-Ashbury's most middle class couple. I'd just gotten my Spotmatic ... my very first real camera. I'd had it for but a week or two when Kathy's niece arrived for a visit. They spent a few hours fooling around (you may see more of their hi jinks later) for the camera. What we have here is just a little family snap. I hope you like it. Working on it brought back some fond memories. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/kathy_and_niece.html Shel Belinkoff _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece
Shel, Sorry it took so long to get to these, but I got behind on the list generally, and PAWs especially, over the long weekend that we had here in the Great White North. I like them both a great deal, but I'll deal with Another Shot first. What I like about this one is the spontaneity (sp?) of it. The obvious joy of each individual, and the bond that they share comes shining through. I really like the positions of their bodies/heads. Heads tilted in opposite directions, bodies more or less the same position; there's a certain pleasing symmetry there that I enjoy. And, of course, their interactions: the Kathy's hug of the body with one hand, playfully grabbing the forehead with the other, the distortion on the neice's face (from Kathy's hand, and the huge grin), It's a terrific photo, but you made it even better with the tight crop, which really brings us into all of the above. I'm glad you shared it with us! thanks, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Another shot of Kathy and her niece Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:41:14 -0700 This was taken at the same time as the earlier photo. I thought I'd put 'em up on the same day since the two photos are part of one photo session. I might put up a third as well. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/kathy_and_niece2.html Shel Belinkoff _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Camera Vans To Photograph 50 Million Buildings
The guy only missed by 20 years. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News snippet : "An odd-looking van sprouts 13 digital cameras that its builder wants to use to photograph 50 million buildings in the country while driving, taking pictures every 15 feet." http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040525/tech_show_2.html What do you PDMLers think? Coming to a city near you? ~Alejandro -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: PAW: Bloor Street Flower Vendors
Interesting, but, sometimes you can be too arty for your own good. This may be one of them. I'll have to think about it for a while. frank theriault wrote: My last PAW before GFM: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2391935 I'd be especially interested to hear your thoughts, as I'm not sure about this one. Sometimes I like it, due to the geometry and proportions of it. Others, I hate it (hate's a strong word; dislike?) because the couple's OOF, and the girl in particular, moved when she saw the camera, so there's no detail in her face. So, lemme know... thanks, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: *istD in the (battle)field
This one time, at boot camp, alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 2004, Steve Desjardins wrote: > > I really like how you caught that shockwave in flame. I've never seen > > that before. > > A friend and I were curious about this picture. Was it taken with > a flash? It looks like a preflash caught the mortar and then a > long exposure caught some of the flames erupting from it. > > Is that accurate? > > It is a very impressive shot. The shot with the mortar flame was captured using the *istD and the 360FGZ flash with rear curtain sync. The shutter was in bulb and the aperature wide open. Thanks for the comments Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
RE: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
I forgot to say one thing. I believe it's important to make sure a course is not only educating consumers. I have been a music teacher once. Most of the students would end up as "educated consumers only" - that is music listeners. Some would become activly playing music practitioners. And a few sould become professional musicians. I guess it's just about the same for photography. I believe it's crucial not to just educate consumers (point and shooters with a labtop). All the best Jens There is many reason why children, who wants to learn about photography, should learn about film/darkrooms. This does not mean ALL the work should be in a darkroom or lab. I believe, that photography today is about taking photographs as well as processing photographic material in a lab as well as on the computer processing: These element should be reoresented in a course: Taking photographs (from idea/assignement to pressing the realease bitton) Processing photographic material (from photographic raw material (exposed film, files) to producing readdy to print or publish raw matrerial (neg, slide or file) Printing and publishing photographs - marketing, delivering, exibit, publish. Here is a few reasons for spending time in a darkroom or lab: Health. It's not very healthy to sit many hours by the computer. The damages to the body may very well be as serious as the posible damages from handeling chemicals etc. Understanding tools and theory: Many tools as well as theories used in current photography software are more or less derived from the work and processes in a darkroom or lab. To understand these properly it is necasary to have a sertain amount of darkroom experience. Ecposure: Learning about metering and exposure is best done by exposing, delveloping and looking at film, where no automatic sharpening or tonal or contrast control is possible. Most digital shooters blame the camera, when white snow looks like gray cement in a photograph. They have NO IDEA about exposing or how a lighmeter works. Shooting and developing a black and white film will (hopefully) teach them well. All the best Jens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. maj 2004 23:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Darkroom or Digital for beginners My childrens school is to be offering photography as a subject. I have talked to the principle about this and he is very keen about an all digital photo lab type set up. He stated that with a darkroom there was could be problems with Occupational Health and Safety (OHS) with the use of chemicals and children with asthma. Also as the world was going digital this would be a real world solution. The school is well equipped with computers, so there would be no need to build another (dark)room for processing. Added to this there is no cost of film. He did say he could be swayed if there was a compelling arguement in favour of film. If you have any reasons why children should be learning in a darkroom, I would love to hear them and pass them on. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
PAW: Bloor Street Flower Vendors
My last PAW before GFM: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2391935 I'd be especially interested to hear your thoughts, as I'm not sure about this one. Sometimes I like it, due to the geometry and proportions of it. Others, I hate it (hate's a strong word; dislike?) because the couple's OOF, and the girl in particular, moved when she saw the camera, so there's no detail in her face. So, lemme know... thanks, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Why Pentax Cannot Supply Lenses
Perhaps Pentax are changing their assembly line to make all lenses more suitable for digital - extra multicoating on the rear element to reduce reflections for example? Nick
RE: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
There is many reason why children, who wants to learn about photography, should learn about film/darkrooms. This does not mean ALL the work should be in a darkroom or lab. I believe, that photography today is about taking photographs as well as processing photographic material in a lab as well as on the computer processing: These element should be reoresented in a course: Taking photographs (from idea/assignement to pressing the realease bitton) Processing photographic material (from photographic raw material (exposed film, files) to producing readdy to print or publish raw matrerial (neg, slide or file) Printing and publishing photographs - marketing, delivering, exibit, publish. Here is a few reasons for spending time in a darkroom or lab: Health. It's not very healthy to sit many hours by the computer. The damages to the body may very well be as serious as the posible damages from handeling chemicals etc. Understanding tools and theory: Many tools as well as theories used in current photography software are more or less derived from the work and processes in a darkroom or lab. To understand these properly it is necasary to have a sertain amount of darkroom experience. Ecposure: Learning about metering and exposure is best done by exposing, delveloping and looking at film, where no automatic sharpening or tonal or contrast control is possible. Most digital shooters blame the camera, when white snow looks like gray cement in a photograph. They have NO IDEA about exposing or how a lighmeter works. Shooting and developing a black and white film will (hopefully) teach them well. All the best Jens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. maj 2004 23:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Darkroom or Digital for beginners My childrens school is to be offering photography as a subject. I have talked to the principle about this and he is very keen about an all digital photo lab type set up. He stated that with a darkroom there was could be problems with Occupational Health and Safety (OHS) with the use of chemicals and children with asthma. Also as the world was going digital this would be a real world solution. The school is well equipped with computers, so there would be no need to build another (dark)room for processing. Added to this there is no cost of film. He did say he could be swayed if there was a compelling arguement in favour of film. If you have any reasons why children should be learning in a darkroom, I would love to hear them and pass them on. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: Zenitar 16/2.0 on istD, other istD questions
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > Alex, you are wrng as Dpreview is. *istD has buffer for 6 frames no matter > if RAW or JPEG. One thing is nowhere mentioned - you have to turn noise > reduction off, as it apparently reserves some buffer space for image > processing. After all N.R. is useless during fast continuos shooting so > you loose nothing. And the number of frames in one burst is independent > from card speed as Dario suggested. I didn't know that about the NR. Thanks for the information. The number of frames in one burst doesn't depend on the card speed, but the recovery time for the next frame does. That is the timing that the dpreview article covers in good detail. alex
Re: Zenitar 16/2.0 on istD, other istD questions
On Wed, 26 May 2004, alex wetmore wrote: > The buffer holds 5 shots. Once the buffer is full the shot time is > related to how fast your memory card is. A typical card will write a > JPEG file in a couple of seconds, while a RAW file will take 10-15 > seconds. > > These sections answer your questions specifically: > Specs: > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/page2.asp > > Shot buffer timings: [...] Alex, you are wrng as Dpreview is. *istD has buffer for 6 frames no matter if RAW or JPEG. One thing is nowhere mentioned - you have to turn noise reduction off, as it apparently reserves some buffer space for image processing. After all N.R. is useless during fast continuos shooting so you loose nothing. And the number of frames in one burst is independent from card speed as Dario suggested. -- Best regards Sylwek
Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
Hi, David Miers wrote: I now look upon the idea of film vanishing with great sadness. Photography is classified as a Fine Art, but I don't think I ever really understood why, until taking this class. I question whether or not Photography's status as a Fine Art will continue into the digital world. I would have to say my instructor did his job well. And he gave me an "A" too!!! Yayyy... 8) Quote (not precisely his words, just the best I can remember) from David Hockney, last week: "With the advent of digital imaging and computer manipulation, most output has been reduced to the level of badly drawn photographs" mike
Re: Sigma 55-200 (was:*istD in the (battle)field)
I've only looked at B&H. Since I'm not actually buying, I didn't pursue it too far. I only looked them up to aperture range and weight for future consideration. I actually have a chep sigma 24-70 zoom, f3.5 -4.5 or something like that. It's very light and takes nice photos when stopped down a little. And for $99, I can buy another if it falls apart. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/04 03:35PM >>> Everywhere? Must have just got mine in time. Bruce Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 12:04:10 PM, you wrote: SD> Of course, these are out of stock too. SD> Steven Desjardins SD> Department of Chemistry SD> Washington and Lee University SD> Lexington, VA 24450 SD> (540) 458-8873 SD> FAX: (540) 458-8878 SD> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
Like the old adage, to get the correct torque, "tighten the nut till it breaks, off then back off half a turn..." Keith Whaley wrote: Good for you! I have spent my life designing small mechanisms, and advising people on servicing the same. For all that period I have fought the ubiquitous opinion that "if a little lube is good, more is better" syndrome. Unsuccessfully. They don't believe you. No more than the group that believes that if "snug" is good, on a wrench or screwdriver, "snug-squared" is a lot better! Sighhh. You have my respect! keith Henri Toivonen wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: And, on a good hot day, when all that lube runs down to the lens assemblies, it will look even more sad... Nah, I used some trustworthy CRC 3-36. It has probably evaporated already. /Henri
RE: *istD in the (battle)field
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Steve Desjardins wrote: > I really like how you caught that shockwave in flame. I've never seen > that before. A friend and I were curious about this picture. Was it taken with a flash? It looks like a preflash caught the mortar and then a long exposure caught some of the flames erupting from it. Is that accurate? It is a very impressive shot. alex
Re: GFM weather
You haven't lived until you've hiked up to the tree line in January, 75 knot winds gusting to 85. Makes me cold just to think about it. John Francis wrote: Been there (although not in winter). The meteorologists are nuts. Nowadays it's easy - thy've paved the road all the way to the top. The first time I drove up it it was just a dirt track once you got above the tree line. Negotiating a hairpin bend on a single track, gravel-covered road with no outside guard rail between you and a couple of thousand feet of precipitous slope is an excellent aid to concentration. Be thankfull it's not Mt. Washington. Mark Roberts wrote: David Sprinkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? Not only is it correct, it's TYPICAL!
RE: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
Quite frankly, my negatives are in a jumble but my files are on CD. When it goes out of style, I'll copy them over to the new medium. Presumably, this won't happen while I'm sleeping ;-) OTOH, a library might find such a switch more daunting. For this reason, any new medium is also going to involve the transition path.
Camera Vans To Photograph 50 Million Buildings
News snippet : "An odd-looking van sprouts 13 digital cameras that its builder wants to use to photograph 50 million buildings in the country while driving, taking pictures every 15 feet." http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040525/tech_show_2.html What do you PDMLers think? Coming to a city near you? ~Alejandro
RE: *istD in the (battle)field
I really like how you caught that shockwave in flame. I've never seen that before. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Let's get into real cameras
Optimized version of photoshop for the Apple G5 duals (which can have up to 32 gig of RAM)? A. On 26 May 2004, at 21:31, graywolf wrote: Read again, obviously if PS could not handle a file larger than 2GB then he could not had stitched the images together. It is a limitation on what can be scanned in. Probably a buffer limitation. And it will probably not remain one for long. But right now it is a pretty real limitation. All of which proves, once again, that the amount of memory or file storage that "no one would ever need" is too small. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: That's not quite true. Here's the word from one of the developers of PS: What's the largest sized file that PS 6, 7, and 8 can handle. I've been told that they won't take a file larger than 2GB. Is the limit actually less than that? 6.0 and 7.0: up to 30,000 x 30,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2GB CS: up to 300,000 x 300,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2^63 bytes (that's more than 8 billion GB) for Large Document Format (PSB). Some file formats have format-defined limits less than that, such as TIFF being limited to 4GB Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 5/26/2004 10:57:37 AM Subject: Re: Let's get into real cameras There has also been a thread running there where it seems it is not posible scan in a 4x5 image greater than 3200dpi into Photoshop. Though the guy has managed to stitch two partial scans together. We are talking images greater than 2GB here, just to compare to your DSLR. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
RE: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
Go with at least some darkroom work. Kids need to work with their hands. Also, as has been pointed out, the cheaper digital cameras are far too automatic to do basic exposure stuff. Most kids will like the magic of the picture appearing. Then do all of the color issues using PS. Showing the pictures decomposed by color channel teaches them about light as well. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DSLR Burst mode
The discussion about burst mode in *ist D suddenly reminds me of one thing. I remember the film "Star Wars: attack of the clones" was shot simultaneously digitally and on film. Now that is 24 high-resolution frames per second for each cut, which will be several minutes long at least. Does anybody know of the technology used when shootng the film digitally? Well we know digital camcorders are everywhere and affordable, maybe a similar technology is used? Yefei
Re: Let's get into real cameras
Read again, obviously if PS could not handle a file larger than 2GB then he could not had stitched the images together. It is a limitation on what can be scanned in. Probably a buffer limitation. And it will probably not remain one for long. But right now it is a pretty real limitation. All of which proves, once again, that the amount of memory or file storage that "no one would ever need" is too small. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: That's not quite true. Here's the word from one of the developers of PS: What's the largest sized file that PS 6, 7, and 8 can handle. I've been told that they won't take a file larger than 2GB. Is the limit actually less than that? 6.0 and 7.0: up to 30,000 x 30,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2GB CS: up to 300,000 x 300,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2^63 bytes (that's more than 8 billion GB) for Large Document Format (PSB). Some file formats have format-defined limits less than that, such as TIFF being limited to 4GB Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 5/26/2004 10:57:37 AM Subject: Re: Let's get into real cameras There has also been a thread running there where it seems it is not posible scan in a 4x5 image greater than 3200dpi into Photoshop. Though the guy has managed to stitch two partial scans together. We are talking images greater than 2GB here, just to compare to your DSLR. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Let's get into real cameras
QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE: > "You have to ask the question, 'What's the point of painting a scene > like this when you can reproduce it with no loss of resolution?'" > says Conor Foy, a 36-year-old painter. "The resolution of this seems > to be more than anything I've seen before." [...] > But Ross remains focused on art. "I want to give people the > feeling that they have when they are overpowered by the grandeur and > the beauty of nature," he says. "It's the kind of thing that artists > have been trying to do for hundreds and hundreds of years." Just another ultrarealist painter? I thought they vanished centuries ago ;-) Gimme the art! Where's the ART? Frantised
Advantages & tradeoffs (was Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners)
from Cotty: >In this day and age, I can't think of one good reason, except >for historical interest. The darkroom aspect of photography is now a craft-art akin to oil painting. There's some professionalism left, but it's quickly fading from prominence. Bummer. Darkroom work will continue to show computer users a versatility not available in data just the same as painters showed film people a new level of versatility in years past. Increased automation seems to lead to a loss of general versatility but at the same time adds new features. In the film vs. oils war, film added detail that couldn't be captured by oils, but oils could be put down in a way that would bring out the character of something, much like words can a mental image. In the digital vs. film war, negatives contain so much information that can be burned in and worked with that (I've discussed this with a couple of them who have done LF color & b&w, who have since gone modern) digital people envy, but the precise crop/dodge/modify facility of digital is something to envy as well. Collin --- 'Tautology is' Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Night shots on the beach
The shots are very effective and eyecatching Dario. I've tried to shoot hot are balloons in the daytime, which is somewhat difficult; these nights shots are technically much harder, but they came out really well. I also like the photos of the performers, especially the one of the singer in the black and white sweater. Dario Bonazza wrote: Since there was not a single comment, not even a dislike one, I'm afraid I issed the magical formula. Here it is: "Commentswelcome"
Re: Let's get into real cameras
That's not quite true. Here's the word from one of the developers of PS: > What's the largest sized file that PS 6, 7, and 8 can handle. I've been > told that they won't take a file larger than 2GB. Is the limit actually > less than that? 6.0 and 7.0: up to 30,000 x 30,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2GB CS: up to 300,000 x 300,000 pixels, file size on disk up to 2^63 bytes (that's more than 8 billion GB) for Large Document Format (PSB). Some file formats have format-defined limits less than that, such as TIFF being limited to 4GB Shel Belinkoff > [Original Message] > From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 5/26/2004 10:57:37 AM > Subject: Re: Let's get into real cameras > There has also been a thread running there where it seems it is not posible scan > in a 4x5 image greater than 3200dpi into Photoshop. Though the guy has managed > to stitch two partial scans together. We are talking images greater than 2GB > here, just to compare to your DSLR.
Bringing along the next generation, was: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
John Francis wrote: > > We live in a society fuelled by instant gratification and > disposable > > everything. We need children today who will want to know > how things work. > > There, in brief, is the nub of it. > > You can't teach anybody who doesn't want to learn. > > Trying to teach photography to a room full of children by > taking them away from the familiar environment of their > computer is about as good an idea as teaching swimming by > throwing kids into the deep end of the pool. > > Start off by showing how to improve the images they are familiar with. > Composition and timing can be taught even using a cellphone camera. > If you can get them interested, then discussing further > techniques (which could include at least a field trip to a > conventional darkroom) lets you pace the material to the > interest level of the students. > > Teaching techniques that would be suitable for an elective > course at a fine arts college aren't necessarly the best at > high school. > The course should be of interest (and value) to everybody in > the classroom, not just to one or two students. A vast number of children are lost before they even join the education system. So many are stuck in front of the television from an early age to entertain themselves that it is inevitable that the situation you describe will happen. Children at an early age now often have little input into what is going on, other than being there. Mine are used to long walks - I take the car when really required only, not a 'green' issue, but I see no reason for short car journeys when you can chat on the way and discuss things, without being distracted. Constructional toys abound here. A few of us locally are seeing older children struggle with simple problems, which wouldn't have been the case ten years ago. Because of the gratification culture, attention spans are getting shorter. Watch your TV for proof of that. We are often treated like idiots and it is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Success in today's world comes at a price; often long hours, demanding work conditions and that leaves little time for spending time with the children, which often then involves buying things for them as an appeasement in lieu of the time you can't give. By the time they reach school, it is already too late Not pretty. They are lost in a world of technology without a clue how it works (except to a small minority) and don't give a damn. Do you like our future? I don't want my three to be other than happy in what they do for a living at some stage, I'd just like them not to be saying 'Do you want fries with that?' as their most used work phrase. Make learning fun early on or... Malcolm
Re: Let's get into real cameras
Linhof used to make a 4x5 vacuum filmholder. Ran off a a little battery powered pump. Fit a standard 4x5 back. Used any 4x5 film. Probably would do every bit as well as his homemade monstrosity. As someone commented over on r.p.e.l-f, neither the photographer nor the reporter seemed very knowledgable about photography, or cameras. There has also been a thread running there where it seems it is not posible scan in a 4x5 image greater than 3200dpi into Photoshop. Though the guy has managed to stitch two partial scans together. We are talking images greater than 2GB here, just to compare to your DSLR. -- John Francis wrote: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040525/D82PL2I80.html 9x18 negs that are scanned, PS-manipulated as needed, and then printed to 5'x10' (about 1.52m x 3.05m). Seems to be the best of LF & digital technologies. Some really good ideas, and some really questionable ones. Using a vacuum back to keep the film flat, and an optical alignment system, are definitely a good idea (although I'm pretty sure I've heard of the vacuum back technique before). Mind you, I have to wonder if the lens being used has an image plane that is flat to anywhere near that precision. Ending up being forced to use an emulsion with inaccurate colour renditions (presumably a limitation of what films are available for the body he started with) is a bad thing. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
> > We live in a society fuelled by instant gratification and disposable > everything. We need children today who will want to know how things work. There, in brief, is the nub of it. You can't teach anybody who doesn't want to learn. Trying to teach photography to a room full of children by taking them away from the familiar environment of their computer is about as good an idea as teaching swimming by throwing kids into the deep end of the pool. Start off by showing how to improve the images they are familiar with. Composition and timing can be taught even using a cellphone camera. If you can get them interested, then discussing further techniques (which could include at least a field trip to a conventional darkroom) lets you pace the material to the interest level of the students. Teaching techniques that would be suitable for an elective course at a fine arts college aren't necessarly the best at high school. The course should be of interest (and value) to everybody in the classroom, not just to one or two students.
RE: Night shots on the beach
Dario, these shots are stunning. I'm not sure what else to say about them. :) Amita
PAW- Beach
Here is one I made at the Zandvoort beach in the Netherlands last Thursday, ascensionday. http://www.wuthrich.cc/albums/Zandvoort/imgp0677.jpg *ist D and the 24-90mm lens. My feet in the cold water. I had to crop it a bit to get the horizon level. Finding Nemo: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wuthrich/albums/Zandvoort/imgp0714.jpg -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: Locating PDML Central
On 26/5/04, GRAYWOLF, discombobulated, offered: >You can figure on comfortable days, cool to very cool nights, and sometimes >frequent showers throughout the mountains here. Crikey, I'll be right at home! Thanks. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: GFM weather
>There was a reason I sent my down jacket along >with my sleeping bag down to >graywolf :) > >annsan Hoo boy, Tom, better have a wash and brush up there lad! She's a one ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
Good for you! I have spent my life designing small mechanisms, and advising people on servicing the same. For all that period I have fought the ubiquitous opinion that "if a little lube is good, more is better" syndrome. Unsuccessfully. They don't believe you. No more than the group that believes that if "snug" is good, on a wrench or screwdriver, "snug-squared" is a lot better! Sighhh. You have my respect! keith Henri Toivonen wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: And, on a good hot day, when all that lube runs down to the lens assemblies, it will look even more sad... Nah, I used some trustworthy CRC 3-36. It has probably evaporated already. /Henri
RE: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
Cotty posted and ran: > In this day and age, I can't think of one good reason, except > for historical interest. > > Look at your answer to another posting - get the jewellers screwdrivers out and get stuck in: if we don't have children 'doing' things, such as dismantling lenses/whatever or learning hands on jobs, such as film development, we will very shortly have a new generation that neither has the confidence to tackle jobs, nor the ability or drive to perform skills beyond a screen and keyboard. We live in a society fuelled by instant gratification and disposable everything. We need children today who will want to know how things work. Our throw away culture is nothing to be proud of. I'm not having a 'go' Cotty, it really is for everyone's benefit, especially today's youngsters :-) Malcolm
Re: snakeskins
Hello David, www.cameraleather.com Beyond looks, the leathers feel much better in use than the leatherette that is normally found on cameras. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 8:50:44 AM, you wrote: DM> This question is for Cesar. There is a guy on another camera list DM> contemplating putting a snakeskin on one of his cameras. Do you have a web DM> site that I could post there for him to look at some of yours? DM> Dave
Re: GFM weather
Been there (although not in winter). The meteorologists are nuts. Nowadays it's easy - thy've paved the road all the way to the top. The first time I drove up it it was just a dirt track once you got above the tree line. Negotiating a hairpin bend on a single track, gravel-covered road with no outside guard rail between you and a couple of thousand feet of precipitous slope is an excellent aid to concentration. > Be thankfull it's not Mt. Washington. > > Mark Roberts wrote: > > >David Sprinkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Is the wind speed correct: 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph??? > >> > >> > > > >Not only is it correct, it's TYPICAL! > > > > > > > >
RE: GFM weather
Here is the latest forecast! http://viral.lycos.co.uk/attachments/2690/the_day_after_tomorrow_forecas t_untexted_100k.wmv
Zenitar 16/2.0 on istD, other istD questions
Has anyone used this lens on an istD? Does it work as well as a Pentax K-mount? Any pics that you can point to? With a reasonably fast CF card, how many shots can one get off in succession with the istD? How quickly can additional exposures be made when photographing in RAW mode? When using maximum quality JPG? Is there a mode that's equivalent to using a winder or motor drive with a film camera, i.e., can I get two or three frames per second with the mirror going up and down? How many bursts like that is the camera capable of? Does the istD have a shutter speed of 1/4000 second or less? What's the fastest shutter speed? Thanks! Shel Belinkoff
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
Keith Whaley wrote: Ah, okey. Now I get it. How the he** do I remove this without damaging the glass? You use something actually made for use around glass lenses, not something made from who knows WHAT rubber-like material that has foreign material in it that will make nice semi-circular scratches on the front lens element... You can be absolutely sure the tapered gum rubber lens ring removal tool from Micro-Tools is abrasive free on purpose! How big a risk-taker are you? keith whaley I fixed it now. I had to use some sandpaper on the ring and the thread. Then lots of lubricant and good ol' brute force. The downside is, now it looks like hell. :-( /Henri
Re: Night shots on the beach
Hi Dario! I'll bet that most of the people that make most of the comments on this list are packing for, or have already left for, the Grandfather Mountain get-together! You had some potential exposure problems there, and handled all of them quite well! Nice exposures of difficult to photograph subjects. Not a marginal image in any of them! That's the sign of a true photographer, keep all the imperfect images to yourself! Oh yeah, and the *ist-D performed well, too! keith whaley Dario Bonazza wrote: Since there was not a single comment, not even a dislike one, I'm afraid I issed the magical formula. Here it is: "Commentswelcome" Dario - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Night shots on the beach Here are a few shots, taken with the *ist D and FA* 85/1.4 @ 800 or 1600 ISO: http://www.dariobonazza.com/cervia04e.htm Bye, Dario
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
>> I unscrewed it for a while, then it got stuck, really hard. A tiny >> tiny screw also dropped out of it. >> Guess thats why it's so loose. ;-) >> >> /Henri >> >> >> >Ah friggin hell, getting it back there was even harder! Nuthin fur it now laddy, ye'll have te go in through the back!! Mek sure ye tek a wee dram a Scotch fust, it'll ease the pain Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
Henri Toivonen wrote: Alan Chan wrote: English is not my 1st language either. :-) When you look from the front of the lens, the edge of the front glass is actually covered by a large ring which is as wide as a 49mm filter thread. That is the ring should be removed. For example, for the M50/1.4, "PENTAX-M 1:1.4 50mm ..." is printed on that ring. Got it? :-) http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/normal/M50f1.4.html Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Ah, okey. Now I get it. How the he** do I remove this without damaging the glass? You use something actually made for use around glass lenses, not something made from who knows WHAT rubber-like material that has foreign material in it that will make nice semi-circular scratches on the front lens element... You can be absolutely sure the tapered gum rubber lens ring removal tool from Micro-Tools is abrasive free on purpose! How big a risk-taker are you? keith whaley /Henri
Re: Locating PDML Central
On 26/5/04, BILL, discombobulated, offered: >You can check it yourself at: > >http://www.aws.com/aws_2001/asp/obsForecast.asp?id=LINVL&obs=brief > >Bill \Yep, I saw that Bill, thanks. It gives current temp and other details - I was thinking more in terms of local weather reports for GFM weekend, forecast around Tuesday or Wednesday - for instance: 'there's a high pressure sitting tight over us giving fine and dry weather, but chilly nights' or 'a big low pressure dominates the area and is moving east through the weekend so expect some rain, although temps will be about 60f'... Mind you, we don't have a climate in the UK, we just get weather ;-) What can one generally expect at this time of the year regarding temperature and precipitation? Ta Guv. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Loose front on 50/1.4
On 26/5/04, /HENRI, discombobulated, offered: >I see now screws there. Opening it feels risky. How should I procede >from here? Nonesense lad! get some jeweller's screwdrivers and get stuck in there!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Darkroom or Digital for beginners
>He did say he could be swayed if there was a compelling >arguement in favour of film. If you have any reasons why >children should be learning in a darkroom, I would love >to hear them and pass them on. Kevin, how old are the children? In this day and age, I can't think of one good reason, except for historical interest. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
