Re: OT: Fujica - Black

2004-12-01 Thread Cotty
On 30/11/04, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed:

For the person looking for the black Fujica,
Midwest has a really nice 801.  Black.  Pretty.

Thanks Collin. It was the ST605n I was looking for. Sentimental reasons.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Cotty
On 30/11/04, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, to celebrate that my greencard was granted, nothing better than a
trip out of the US. Buenos Aires from San Francisco was $4000, and
Virgin has direct flights to Heathrow, so...

I'm going to spend one week in London, from 25/12 to 1/1. 

Hi Juan,

That is the week between Christmas and New Year, when most of the country
is on holiday, but not all. The Monday and Tuesday are designated as
'bank holidays' and so a lot of things may be closed, but probably not
London tourist attractions - but possibly. You'll be fine the Weds Thurs
Fri...

I'm afraid we're off on our annual Christmas visits, heading north to
Manchester and other points north on Monday for the week. It would have
been nice to meet you but alas not this time...


So, besides street shooting in Oxford Street and the usual tourist
things to do, any people there have suggestions on what to do that
week?

It would also be nice to catch up with London PDMLers for a beer or three...

I don't know if Bob Walkden is around, what that bloke does not know
about London (or indeed anything ;-) isn't worth knowing. Plus I
understand he likes the odd pint occasionally..

Have a good time and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Best,




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PUG

2004-12-01 Thread AvK
try to reload the pages. It works on my end



 Why don't I see any images? Plenty of names, no hint of images!
 

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Re: December PUG is open

2004-12-01 Thread AvK
No because Alin stopped to make these pages. 
I hope that we will go online with the new PUG sometime next year, than you
will get all the archives you want.

Adelheid


 Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!
 
 Adelheid v. K. wrote:
 
 The archives seem to be working on 
 http://pug.komkon.org/general/PugDir.html , at least through Jan. 04.  A 
 few weeks ago I was trying to complile  a list of all the shots I've 
 submitted to the PUG, and was unable to find a list for most of this 
 year.  Is there anyplace that might be available, at least the names, if 
 not all the photos?
 
 Dan M
 
 Hi folks,
 
 The DEcember PUG is available on my website AND on the komkon server.
 
 This means:
 
 The archives are NOT!!! working on both pages. At least not for the last
 5
 months. 
 But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the
 pictures of July.
 
 I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month and last
 month
 is available! No archives as such.
 You can have a look at the previous PUGs via the pastgalleries page on
 the
 komkon server.
 Thanks to Igor to bring the server back. 
 
 So now the issue of the URL
 It will change each month at present it is:
 http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04dec
 
 and http://pug.komkon.org
 
   
 
 

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Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing

2004-12-01 Thread Cotty
On 30/11/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

4)  He's probably done it already, but I think Cotty must use this as
yet another mock-mag cover.  It's a cover-shot waiting to be used!!

Been forced into early retirement. Speaking of the devil, Cavo has gone
quiet recently...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 1:38:13 AM, Juan wrote:

 So, to celebrate that my greencard was granted,

Congratulations!

 I'm going to spend one week in London, from 25/12 to 1/1.

 So, besides street shooting in Oxford Street and the usual tourist
 things to do, any people there have suggestions on what to do that
 week?

Oxford Street is always horrendously busy at this time of year, with
police on the street corners using megaphones to control the crowds.
Immediately after Christmas the January sales begin, so there is no
lull. It is horrible.

See if you can get a copy of Time Out (http://www.timeout.com/london/)
before you get here - I guess they have it at Borders in San
Franscisco, and at the airport. It will help you to plan.

For candid photography of people going about their lawful business (see
how I avoided the word 'street'!) you might also try King's Road,
Camden Lock, Portobello and Notting Hill, parts of the City such as
Leadenhall Market, Borough Market, Brick Lane and Whitechapel at the
weekend. There's a lot, as I'm sure you can imagine. I'll try to think
of more.

A quick and enjoyable way to get an overview of London is to get on a
sightseeing bus, including a riverboat trip. Once you'be bought your
ticket you can hop and off all day. Don't try to hop off the boat
though unless its berthed.

 It would also be nice to catch up with London PDMLers for a beer or three...

I can probably make it on the 27th or 28th, which are public holidays
(called Bank Holidays).

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: OT: Fujica - Black (Cotty)

2004-12-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
He was looking for a 605...
mike wilson wrote:
That was Cotty, I believe.  Can't remember what model.
mike
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
For the person looking for the black Fujica,
Midwest has a really nice 801.  Black.  Pretty.
http://www.mpex.com
You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The 
closer the relationship the greater the impact.
Howard Hendricks




--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: database software

2004-12-01 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Does this support PEF files? I couldn't find that on the website.

On Monday 29 November 2004 00:32, Cotty wrote:
FJW Found this:
FJW 
FJW http://www.picturefinder.com/
FJW 
FJW Am giving Blue Box a try...
FJW 
FJW 
FJW Cheers,
FJW   Cotty
FJW 
FJW 
FJW ___/\__
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FJW ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
FJW _
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 

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Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-01 Thread Frits Wüthrich
yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the Christmas 
decoration can come out.

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote:
FJW Hi!
FJW 
FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes
FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree.
FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to
FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch
FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is
FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5
FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet.
FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is.
FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
FJW 
FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the
FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove
FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot.
FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But
FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be
FJW great in classical way.
FJW 
FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree
FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before
FJW holidays start :).
FJW 
FJW Happy Holidays everyone :).
FJW 
FJW 
FJW Boris
FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 

-- 
Frits Wüthrich



Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-01 Thread Frits Wüthrich
lovely shot, I agree, the remotes and the gass-gril outside should have been 
removed.

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:35, Frits Wüthrich wrote:
FJW yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the Christmas 
decoration can come out.
FJW 
FJW On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote:
FJW FJW Hi!
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up 
boxes
FJW FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas 
tree.
FJW FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job 
was to
FJW FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle 
Scotch
FJW FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. 
Different is
FJW FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 
1.5
FJW FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a 
cabinet.
FJW FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here 
it is.
FJW FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the
FJW FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove
FJW FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot.
FJW FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But
FJW FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be
FJW FJW great in classical way.
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree
FJW FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before
FJW FJW holidays start :).
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW Happy Holidays everyone :).
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW Boris
FJW FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW 
FJW FJW 
FJW 
FJW -- 
FJW Frits Wüthrich
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 

-- 
Frits Wüthrich



Re: Difference between 55 F2 K 50 1.7 M lenses

2004-12-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, m.s.gill wrote:

Comments/advice regarding the above two lenses specifically
 in bokhe, resolution, contrast, sharpness will be appreciated as My Lens
 Resolution Test Results are silent in comparison on both.

Have you checked http://www.stans-photography.info/

I believe that the 55/2 is pretty much the same as the 55/1.8
(Andre?). Boz's site I think agrees:

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/

HTH,

Kostas



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Your point?
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: 
Random PUG Thoughts


It helps to live near the Arctic circle.

I live near North Dakota.
William Robb


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




RE: Pirate Jenny in the Spotlight

2004-12-01 Thread Caudill, Duchan H.
Frank,
there's an appealing timeless aura about the Pirate Jenny photo, I do like it.  
Lighting is improved over Jennifer in Repose.  Do post another Jenny pic.

Duchan
Darmstadt (Germany)
Hessian capital of culture

PS: is Jenny a chanson singer?  




-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2004 8:27 AM
To: PDML
Subject: PAW - PESO - Pirate Jenny in the Spotlight

I wasn't going to post this one for a while, but since everyone (with
a few exceptions) didn't think much of last night's (Jennifer in
Repose, or whatever I called it g), I couldn't resist posting this
one, taken from the same concert.  I don't know if it will be more or
less liked by others, but I rather like it:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2923088

Of course, if you don't like it, that's just fine and dandy, please
let me know what you think anyway!  (and thanks in advance, if you do
look or comment).

I've one more to show later (maybe my next PAW, haven't decided), and
although I quite like it, I ~know~ it won't meet with much approval
here vbg.

Anyway, lemme know what you think of this one.

thanks,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson





Re: lots of pdml

2004-12-01 Thread Frits Wüthrich
I don't keep the emails from this list, with the exception of a few. I have 
them automatically removed from my mail client after a month.
I am on the list since 1996.



On Tuesday 30 November 2004 04:34, Bob Sullivan wrote:
FJW I haven't got any records, but it's been since '98 or '99.
FJW The PUG was on hyatus and then came back and restarted.
FJW I should go outside too, but I've grown fond of you all.  :-)
FJW Gmail and reading threads really helps, it's very fast.
FJW Regards,  Bob S.
FJW 
FJW On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:10:33 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FJW  
FJW  
FJW  
FJW  - Original Message -
FJW  From: cbwaters
FJW  Subject: lots of pdml
FJW  
FJW   looking for an old email message on my computer, I decided to look
FJW   up the oldest PDML message I had.  May 4, 2003 From Jim Apilado RE:
FJW   Old man of the mountain gone.
FJW   This computer went online about that time and the hard drive in the
FJW   old one is a brick now so anything before then is gone.
FJW  
FJW   looking at old folders and archives, I have 103,245 PDML messages
FJW   on my computer.
FJW   I've been around here since some time in 00 judging by my first PUG
FJW   entry from October 00.
FJW  
FJW   man...I really need to go outside...
FJW  
FJW  I have my sent items back to June 10, 1999.
FJW  I've sent 5942 emails (including this one) to this group since that
FJW  time, totalling almost 15mb of disk space.
FJW  I think that's pretty appalling.
FJW  I really need to go outside.
FJW  
FJW  William Robb
FJW  
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 
FJW 

-- 
Frits Wüthrich



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:09:27 -0600 
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Alling 
Subject: Re: Random PUG Thoughts 

 It helps to live near the Arctic circle. 

I live near North Dakota. 

William Robb 

Close enough.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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Re: PAW - PESO - Pirate Jenny in the Spotlight

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm glad to hear that the high contrast look is what you were going 
for. Like I said, it's not wrong, and in many ways its more artful than 
a middle gray rendering might be. Good work.
Paul
On Nov 30, 2004, at 11:12 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:56:47 -0500, Paul Stenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like this shot a lot. Great look, nice framing. However, once again,
it's extremely high contrast. Her skin is pure white. That's an
interesting look, although it's not flattering. Were you going for 
that
of are you having monitor problems? It's not necessarily wrong, and it
works better here than on the previous shot, but I'm wondering if it's
intentional. If you're not seeing an extremely high contrast image 
with
white skin against blacks, you need to adjust your monitor.


Hi, Paul,
Thanks for the kind words.  The original print is about the same tone
(I tried to get the tone as close to the print as I could).  Last
night's was pretty contrasty, so I tried to tone it down again for
this photo.
But, that's pretty much the way she looks on stage.  Black dress, very
white skin.  The lighting pretty much emphasizes that, although this
venue had better lighting than most of the bars in which I've
photographed the group in the past.
However, I'd say that the photo captures the look of her (and her
group) on stage, in concert.
Again, thanks for commenting, both tonight and last night.
cheers,
frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
The unfortunate piece of machinery outside the window is a barbecue 
grill. The remotes just sort of live there on the coffee table :-). 
You're right, of course. I should have arranged things. But this was 
just a playing around grab shot. When I saw that it worked out nicely, 
I decided to share it. But I'm going to move the grill and the remotes 
and reshoot it. I'm also going to shoot a version without the chairs 
and coffee table for stock. (That will make it useful for ads, as an 
art director can put his or her product under the tree.) By the way, 
I'm going to stick with the blue. After a few days of looking at the 
various ways of fixing the blue, I decided that I prefer the blue 
version.
Paul
On Nov 30, 2004, at 11:39 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!
PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up 
boxes
PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas 
tree.
PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was 
to
PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle 
Scotch
PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. 
Different is
PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 
1.5
PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a 
cabinet.
PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here 
it is.
PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg

Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the
window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove
the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot.
Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But
without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be
great in classical way.
My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree
is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before
holidays start :).
Happy Holidays everyone :).
Boris
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
We decorate early because my children come home for Thanksgiving 
weekend (which was this past weekend), but they won't be back again 
until Christmas. As far as the tree lasting, I've found that if we make 
sure to keep it watered, it will survive until New Years in fairly good 
shape. Remember, even a tree you buy the day before Christmas was 
probably cut down in October.
Paul
On Dec 1, 2004, at 5:35 AM, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the 
Christmas decoration can come out.

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote:
FJW Hi!
FJW
FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were 
dragging up boxes
FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the 
Christmas tree.
FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the 
job was to
FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle 
Scotch
FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. 
Different is
FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about 
plus 1.5
FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a 
cabinet.
FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, 
here it is.
FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
FJW
FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the
FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot 
remove
FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great 
shot.
FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But
FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be
FJW great in classical way.
FJW
FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the 
tree
FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald 
before
FJW holidays start :).
FJW
FJW Happy Holidays everyone :).
FJW
FJW
FJW Boris
FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FJW
FJW
FJW

--
Frits Wüthrich



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread Fred Widall

Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.

We do get lots of snow though :)

--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
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OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, last 
weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens included was 
the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4.
It was an older Rokkor with the chrome aperture ring.
So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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Re: Sigma 2.8/18-50 DC first impressions

2004-12-01 Thread Frantisek

Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 8:42:38 AM, Jens wrote:
JB Thanks for the comments on this lens. What is coma?
JB It would be nice to see a couple of shots posted.
JB Really nice would be comaparisons with the Pentax 16-45mm :-) 

Unfortunately, I don't own neither the 16-45 nor the IstD, I tested
this lens on another brand ;-) I guess I am keeping the Spotmatic just
to be eligible for PDML vbg (no, it's one of the best cameras as
well)

Coma is, in layman terms, when especially light sources have a
comet-like tail longer the further they are from center of the
frame. Imagine sun in the middle circled by several comets, whose
tails are pointing outside the solar system, and that's coma ;-)

This aberration is most visible on light sources and areas of high
contrast, but results in overal weakening of details nevertheless.

For a nice primer on aberrations, look at
http://www.panix.com/~zone/photo/czlens.htm (at the end of the article).

It is quite possible that I am seeing results of another aberration or
several combined, maybe it's more astigmatism than coma. I am just a
dabbler in things this technical. But the result is that objects like
thin branches have a lateraly displaced and smeared ghosting,
displaced in direction outwards from the center of frame.

One problem of trying out a lens on digital cameras is that the camera
or the raw converter applies some sharpening which may improve some
things and obscure others. So the results also depend on camera or raw
converter (for example, some Canon cameras apply sharpening even to
RAW files, without user control!). But if I tested it with sharpening
turned off in the raw converter, it would be too much soft because of
the demosaicing, in my opinion. And in real world pictures from
digital we sharpen them usually.

Anyway, I will post some crops from it soon, probably next week. Or I
can email you a converted jpeg from the raw file, if you want. It
would be few megs though.


Good light!
   fra



Re: survey

2004-12-01 Thread Frantisek
(6) How much time do you spend discussing beer and politics on PDML
;-)

6: a lot, as it seems...

Good light!
   fra



Re: survey

2004-12-01 Thread Frantisek
 (6) How much time do you spend discussing beer and politics on PDML
 ;-)
 
 6: a lot, as it seems...

I was talking about myself of course ;-)

Good light!
   fra



One more:What is your incamera sharpening set to.

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj
  Thanks all for the replies to the  What lens is on your *istD most 
often
thread. It will be very 
helpfull.
Now i have,what i hope will be my last quiry.

What is your prefered sharpness setting in the *istD.

With this setting,how much computer sharpening is required in processing and do 
you have a
default 
setting you use or does it vary on the picture.

The reason i ask is,i have my Nikons both set to normal and i sometimes 
forget to do 
computer 
sharpening.However viewing the inkjet print reveals a pretty sharp photo anyway.
Also in the reviews i have looked at and some talk by folks here,the camera 
produces soft
images 
and a lot of sharpening is required.
A lot of the Paw's i see here look great even as low res Paws and Pugs.

Thanks in advance.Just trying to get a handle on all my options at this point.  

Dave





Re: Speaking of Medium Format - Zeiss Super Iknonta III

2004-12-01 Thread Frantisek

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 12:57:17 PM, Collin wrote:
CB Tessar designs are very practical because of their excellent
CB sharpness over most of the covered area.  They're somewhat better
CB than triplet or Xenar designs, especially seen in the corners. 
CB It's what makes the YashicaMat124 series a really good camera. 
CB (My Rodenstock Ysarex 135mm 4x5 lens is a Tessar as well.)

Isn't Xenar a direct Tessar copy?

I agree that it is definitely worth getting a MF camera with at least a
Tessar. I had the Yashica with the triplet lens and it was quite worse
than similar Tessar-equipped ones. Apart from tonality, it didn't
resolve any more details than 35mm SLR with a good normal lens.

Good light!
   fra



Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-01 Thread Frantisek
Hi Bruce,

do you know if the D-Lab accepts Adobe1998 colour space files? In one
lab they told me so, but they don't know that exactly...

Good light!
   fra



Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
Rob, 
By two step, I meant pretty much what you appear to be doing - A small amount 
of sharpening initially, regardless of final image size, and a final sharpening 
based on the printed size.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

On 30 Nov 2004 at 19:54, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Rob,
 not sure what D-Lab 2 is but I've lately been doing a two step sharpening
 with unsharp mask, (an initial sharpening when I set white point/black point 
 and
 a final sharpening when I set the final print size.) more or less following 
 the
 same procedure laid out at http://www.naturescapes.net/122004/tg1204.htm and 
 the
 results are better than I've achieved in several years of printing with my
 Epsons using a one step sharpening.

Hi Kenneth,

The d-lab.2 is an Agfa digital mini-lab capable of producing up to 12x18 
prints on regular photographic paper from digital image files.

http://www.agfa.co.uk/minilab/minilab_info.html

Thanks for posting the link, it's a decent artical but I'm not sure what you 
mean by two step? In my full digital workflow I'm currently sharpening the 
image in the RAW convertor for the best compromise between edge artifacts and 
edge contrast and minimising bloom artifacts, which varies considerably between 
images. Then once in PS I do a very acute sharpen using a USM action which has 
a very small radius. 

I'm pretty happy at this point however I feel that there is likely an optimum 
degree of sharpening for any output resolution using this particular printer. 
So that was really the basis for my query.

Cheers




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Re: Difference between 55 F2 K 50 1.7 M lenses

2004-12-01 Thread Thibs
AFAIK 55mm f2 is just a 55mm  f1.8 with a piece of metal which reduces 
light coming in. A perfectly artifial trick I'd say.

-
Thibouille
Kostas Kavoussanakis a écrit :
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, m.s.gill wrote:

  Comments/advice regarding the above two lenses specifically
in bokhe, resolution, contrast, sharpness will be appreciated as My Lens
Resolution Test Results are silent in comparison on both.

Have you checked http://www.stans-photography.info/
I believe that the 55/2 is pretty much the same as the 55/1.8
(Andre?). Boz's site I think agrees:
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/
HTH,
Kostas





Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj

  http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html   

My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share.

Dave




Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Widall
Subject: Re: Random PUG Thoughts


Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A 
couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called 
Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
Ah, a name from my childhood.
We were on a family vacation, probably 40 years ago, and we took a 
ferry crossing, I think from Tobermory, not sure of the name of the 
other end now.
We were on our way to Seaforth to visit an aunt and uncle.

William Robb 




Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj
 
 Ah, a name from my childhood.
 We were on a family vacation, probably 40 years ago, and we took a 
 ferry crossing, I think from Tobermory, not sure of the name of the 
 other end now.
 We were on our way to Seaforth to visit an aunt and uncle.
 
 William Robb 

You'd get off at South Baymouth. The main road would have taken you to Little 
Current,then
to 
Espanola,which is back on the mainland.

Lovely country up there. As long as your not surveying the swamps.
Then its not so good.vbg

Side note to Freds N/E.
I'v worked from +- 15 deg to 59 degrees. I liked Churchill better.lol

Dave 






Re: December PUG is open

2004-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!
 

 

 Second that!  Thanks Adelheid...

 cheers,
 frank


Third that!
Noticing again that the PUG is slim  (at least less work for
Adelheid)

As always, a nice juxtaposition of images and some lovely
stuff!
(I'm not gonna get into details - just a general bravo :) )

annsan
if you see me here I'm procrastinating...



 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Keith Whaley

Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 1:38:13 AM, Juan wrote:

So, to celebrate that my greencard was granted,

Congratulations!

I'm going to spend one week in London, from 25/12 to 1/1.

So, besides street shooting in Oxford Street and the usual tourist
things to do, any people there have suggestions on what to do that
week?

Oxford Street is always horrendously busy at this time of year, with
police on the street corners using megaphones to control the crowds.
Immediately after Christmas the January sales begin, so there is no
lull. It is horrible.
See if you can get a copy of Time Out (http://www.timeout.com/london/)
before you get here - I guess they have it at Borders in San
Franscisco, and at the airport. It will help you to plan.
For candid photography of people going about their lawful business (see
how I avoided the word 'street'!) you might also try King's Road,
Camden Lock, Portobello and Notting Hill, parts of the City such as
Leadenhall Market, Borough Market, Brick Lane and Whitechapel at the
weekend. There's a lot, as I'm sure you can imagine. I'll try to think
of more.
I can vouch for Portobello and Notting Hill. We once stayed in a flat 
nearby for a fortnight, down the Kensington High Street hill and I must 
say...you can see more mutilated and decorated teens and 20's on the 
streets surrounding those 2 areas recommended above.
I'd say snap away. NObody would  dress up so hideously unless they 
wanted the attention!

A quick and enjoyable way to get an overview of London is to get on a
sightseeing bus, including a riverboat trip. Once you'be bought your
ticket you can hop and off all day. Don't try to hop off the boat
though unless its berthed.
Excellent ideas!
It would also be nice to catch up with London PDMLers for a beer or three...

I can probably make it on the 27th or 28th, which are public holidays
(called Bank Holidays).
I hope it's half as memorable as one of our trips was!
On the other hand, trying to hail a taxi around Trafalgar Square, after 
midnight, the night of the 31st, on windy and misty, thoroughly WET 
London streets, is NOT recommended!
We nearly walked back to our flat, as no taxi would stop for us...
Our 16 year old daughter kept saying, I'm dying, Dad! No, really! I am.
The wet street sucked all your bodily warmth out of you. Especially if 
you're wearing fashionable shoes, instead of Ugghs, or similar!  big grin

But, DO have a great time!
keith whaley


OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and put it in
again. The printer will not accept it (I haven't tried, though).

Is there a trick I can perform to make the printer accept it a second time,
afterall???

I have just installed a cleaning cartridge (black), since there's a lot of
banding in my prints. I haven't used my printer for quite some time, but to
my surprise the print actuelly look nice, after installing new ink
cartidges, except for the banding in the black areas. So, I want to
re-install the old black ink after the cleaning the black part of the
printer head.
Jens Bladt


mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 16:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: December PUG is open


frank theriault wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!
 

 

 Second that!  Thanks Adelheid...

 cheers,
 frank


Third that!
Noticing again that the PUG is slim  (at least less work for
Adelheid)

As always, a nice juxtaposition of images and some lovely
stuff!
(I'm not gonna get into details - just a general bravo :) )

annsan
if you see me here I'm procrastinating...



 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson





RE: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Amazingly awesome shots, really! Thanks for the link.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 10:04
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Some really neat northern lights photos



  http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html

My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share.

Dave






RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of the
firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years old,
but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 16:54
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and put it in
again. The printer will not accept it (I haven't tried, though).

Is there a trick I can perform to make the printer accept it a second time,
afterall???

I have just installed a cleaning cartridge (black), since there's a lot of
banding in my prints. I haven't used my printer for quite some time, but to
my surprise the print actuelly look nice, after installing new ink
cartidges, except for the banding in the black areas. So, I want to
re-install the old black ink after the cleaning the black part of the
printer head.
Jens Bladt


mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 16:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: December PUG is open


frank theriault wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!
 

 

 Second that!  Thanks Adelheid...

 cheers,
 frank


Third that!
Noticing again that the PUG is slim  (at least less work for
Adelheid)

As always, a nice juxtaposition of images and some lovely
stuff!
(I'm not gonna get into details - just a general bravo :) )

annsan
if you see me here I'm procrastinating...



 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson







Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-01 Thread Bruce Dayton
From what I remember, it does accept that color space.  When I tried
it though, I wasn't happy with the results.  I know the lab was
working on it.  I switched over to sRGB and haven't had enough reason
to go back and see if they got it resolved.

HTH,

Bruce


Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:09:45 AM, you wrote:

F Hi Bruce,

F do you know if the D-Lab accepts Adobe1998 colour space files? In one
F lab they told me so, but they don't know that exactly...

F Good light!
Ffra




Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
Jens -
Don't know if this will work on your model, but this procedure will work on 
the Stylus 880.

Press the load/eject button for about 3 seconds until the print head starts 
moving to the left and the power light begins flashing.

Do whatever changes you want to make with the ink cartridges
Press the load/eject again until the print head begins to move back to the 
right.  The power light will begin flashing again and the printer will go 
through the ink charging process.  When it's done, your set to go.

   -P
- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of the
firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years old,
but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 16:54
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and put it in
again. The printer will not accept it (I haven't tried, though).
Is there a trick I can perform to make the printer accept it a second 
time,
afterall???

I have just installed a cleaning cartridge (black), since there's a lot of
banding in my prints. I haven't used my printer for quite some time, but 
to
my surprise the print actuelly look nice, after installing new ink
cartidges, except for the banding in the black areas. So, I want to
re-install the old black ink after the cleaning the black part of the
printer head.
Jens Bladt

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 16:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: December PUG is open
frank theriault wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:37:42 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!


Second that!  Thanks Adelheid...
cheers,
frank
Third that!
Noticing again that the PUG is slim  (at least less work for
Adelheid)
As always, a nice juxtaposition of images and some lovely
stuff!
(I'm not gonna get into details - just a general bravo :) )
annsan
if you see me here I'm procrastinating...

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson






RE: One more:What is your incamera sharpening set to.

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Normal or High.

Most of the time I have
Sharpness: High
Contrast:  Normal

In difficult light (high contast) I set the contrast to low to avoid
burned out high lights, sometimes also sharpness to Low. Then I may even
underexpose by 0.3 or 0.7 stops as well.


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 08:58
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: One more:What is your incamera sharpening set to.


  Thanks all for the replies to the  What lens is on your *istD
most often
thread. It will be very
helpfull.
Now i have,what i hope will be my last quiry.

What is your prefered sharpness setting in the *istD.

With this setting,how much computer sharpening is required in processing and
do you have a
default
setting you use or does it vary on the picture.

The reason i ask is,i have my Nikons both set to normal and i sometimes
forget to do
computer
sharpening.However viewing the inkjet print reveals a pretty sharp photo
anyway.
Also in the reviews i have looked at and some talk by folks here,the camera
produces soft
images
and a lot of sharpening is required.
A lot of the Paw's i see here look great even as low res Paws and Pugs.

Thanks in advance.Just trying to get a handle on all my options at this
point.

Dave







RE: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Nope. The same thing with old Topcons.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 13:19
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: OT: Odd Focal Length


I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, last
weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens included
was the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4.
It was an older Rokkor with the chrome aperture ring.
So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl






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Re: Speaking of Medium Format - Zeiss Super Iknonta III

2004-12-01 Thread Mat Maessen
Schneider Xenar lenses are 4-element tessar-type designs.
I've got two of them kicking around at home, and an old Zeiss Tessar as well.
Lens arrangements look to be identical on them.

-Mat


On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:00:06 +0100, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 12:57:17 PM, Collin wrote:
 CB Tessar designs are very practical because of their excellent
 CB sharpness over most of the covered area.  They're somewhat better
 CB than triplet or Xenar designs, especially seen in the corners.
 CB It's what makes the YashicaMat124 series a really good camera.
 CB (My Rodenstock Ysarex 135mm 4x5 lens is a Tessar as well.)
 
 Isn't Xenar a direct Tessar copy?
 
 I agree that it is definitely worth getting a MF camera with at least a
 Tessar. I had the Yashica with the triplet lens and it was quite worse
 than similar Tessar-equipped ones. Apart from tonality, it didn't
 resolve any more details than 35mm SLR with a good normal lens.
 
 Good light!
fra
 




Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-01 Thread Butch Black
Hi Rob

There is also the possibility that the focus on the d-lab is off a touch. I
never worked with a d-lab, but the frontiers have a routine that focuses the
3 lasers, so I assume the same is true with the agfa. Try giving them a
negative you know is in sharp focus and see how the result comes out. It is
also possible that they don't realize that their machine has drifted out of
focus. That happened to me at Eckerds. My analog Fuji was a touch soft. I
didn't notice until a new customer brought in a  large order, complained
that it was soft, took a couple frame to be printed at a competitor and
brought them back. I then got to adjust focus on the machine without the
proper focus neg. Luckily I have a masters in seat of the pants.  :) It is
also possible that they keep their focus slightly soft to minimize dust
spots. An old pro lab I used to use did that.

Butch




Re: Difference between 55 F2 K 50 1.7 M lenses

2004-12-01 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Thibs a écrit :
AFAIK 55mm f2 is just a 55mm  f1.8 with a piece of metal which reduces 
light coming in. A perfectly artifial trick I'd say.
The metal ring which maintains the plates of the diaphragm has simply a 
smaller hole on the 2/55. No additional part.

Michel


Re: Difference between 55 F2 K 50 1.7 M lenses

2004-12-01 Thread Fred
 Comments/advice regarding the above two lenses specifically in
 bokhe, resolution, contrast, sharpness will be appreciated as My
 Lens Resolution Test Results are silent in comparison on both.

I have little to offer, since I don't use either lens regularly.
However, I did test some M 50/1.7's along with a K 55/1.8 (for
resolution ONLY), along with a bunch of other 50-ish lenses, at
http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/50's/resolutn.htm .  Since the
55/1.8 is the same lens optically as the 55/2 (just a difference in
baffling), this might be of some use to you.

Fred




Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Peter Smekal
Hi all,
my father gave me some photographic odds and ends he isn't using any more.
Among other things a Tiffen Haze-1 filter. It looks clean, but is it a good
one? Is it usefull? What is your general opinion about filters. Some
recommend the use of filters to protect the lenses, others say that its
better not to use filters at all, or only in special situations.

Peter, Sweden




OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Look, this isn't a photo book, but it is by
someone whose photo sense is legend, of course.
I can't understand why I'm not even getting any
hits on it... its so lovely.

Would some of you  just go take a look so it won't
be so lonesome?

Maybe I should misspell the last name of the
author...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=279item=7936863777rd=1

of course, right now the andale counters seem to
be off all over the place


annsan



Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Juan Buhler
 Oxford Street is always horrendously busy at this time of year, with
 police on the street corners using megaphones to control the crowds.
 Immediately after Christmas the January sales begin, so there is no
 lull. It is horrible.

That actually sounds excellent for some street photography, no?

Thanks Bob and everybody else for the suggestions, they are very welcome.

Meeting would be grand, let's get in touch off-list.

Cheers,

j


-- 
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog



Re: PDML Mini-FAQ

2004-12-01 Thread Graywolf
I'm sorry, I was out of my mind on Sunday.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---

frank theriault wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:23:44 -0500, Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
Posted every Sunday (if I remember). snip

And, Tom,
Being that it's Tuesday...
vbg
cheers,
frank
ps:  just teasing, of course - great job on the weekly posting of this
invaluable resource - seriously
-ft




Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread John Francis
Fred Widall mused:
 
 
 Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
 so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
 of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,

Is that anywhere near Barrington?



RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, Paul. Isn't what you are describing the normal procedure for
changing cartridges? I guess my printer works a little different - it has
very strange procedures for all manual operations. Perhaps what you are
suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
head is out for a walk ?

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 17:21
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Jens -

Don't know if this will work on your model, but this procedure will work on
the Stylus 880.

Press the load/eject button for about 3 seconds until the print head starts
moving to the left and the power light begins flashing.

Do whatever changes you want to make with the ink cartridges

Press the load/eject again until the print head begins to move back to the
right.  The power light will begin flashing again and the printer will go
through the ink charging process.  When it's done, your set to go.

-P

- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


 ...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of the
 firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years old,
 but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.

 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt






RE: Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Peter,

The debate of whether or not to use filters such as haze or UV (which I
think the haze filter is similar to) shall go on forever.  There are those
that claim newer glass is designed to filter the UV light, so a filter
isn't needed.  There are those who suggest that a filter will degrade the
image, so it shouldn't be used.  There are those who say that new lens
coatings are hard enough that a filter isn't needed for protection.  IMO,
all those considerations are correct to a degree.  But, one must consider
the use of a filter wrt to the situation, the lens used, and the results
desired.  For example, if you're photographing in a miserable environment -
dirt, dust, moisture, and so on, a flirter may be an ideal option to
protect the lens, but also to allow you to continue working by just
swapping out the filter when it gets dirty so you don't have to stop
shooting to clean the lens in a situation that's not ideal to do so.  

Are new coatings strong enough to withstand lots of cleaning?  Some
demonstrations that have been reported seem to indicate that such is the
case, but do you want to underwrite the cost of that experiment long term? 
Does your lens even have a newer coating?

Will a filter degrade the image?  It can, and the degree to which it will
degrade depends on several conditions.  using a cheap filter you can pretty
well count on it.  If using a high quality filter with good glass, superior
coatings, and which is well constructed, any degradation will be minimal,
and I challenge anyone to see the degradation in a typical print.  It
certainly won't be noticeable on a web image or smaller prints - at least
I've never been able to se see it.  But, even when using a cheap filter it
may not be easy to see image degradation that's attributable to the filter
itself except possibly in a carefully controlled side-by-side test.  Scene
lighting, the use of a lens hood, chosen aperture, choice of film will all
play a role in just how much, ~if any~ degradation you can easily observe.

Does new glass preclude the need for a UV or haze filter?  Maybe, but does
your lens have that glass in it?  I think some have said the cement used to
hold elements together can affect the xmission of UV rays.  Does your lens
have that cement?

I think the use of a filter becomes a very personal choice and should be
considered wrt to the above, and in all cases, wherever finances will allow
it, only the highest quality filters should be used unless you're looking
for specific effects.  When i was young and foolish and poor, and
photography was in its infancy (LOL) these discussions didn't exist.  we'd
just stick a filter in front of the lens and go out and make photographs. 
Some of the photos I made years ago with Spiratone and Vivitar filters look
just fine to me today.  There was no such thing as Multi Coating, and SUPER
multi coating was only a germ of a thought in some lens designer's mind.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 my father gave me some photographic odds and ends he isn't using any more.
 Among other things a Tiffen Haze-1 filter. It looks clean, but is it a
good
 one? Is it usefull? What is your general opinion about filters. Some
 recommend the use of filters to protect the lenses, others say that its
 better not to use filters at all, or only in special situations.

 Peter, Sweden





Re: Digicam for Sis Niece

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks to all for jumping in with their thoughts and suggestion.

Shel 




RE: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Here's a suggestion for those posting URL's to which they want to send
people:  how about including some information in the message that provides
some idea about what's to be found.  For example, Ann, you could have
mentioned the name of the book or the author and asked if the spelling was
correct as well as including the URL.  Might save some folks some time and
$$.  I'm not picking on you specifically ... this has been a sore point for
me for some time: someone posts a URL with the comment interesting. and
that's it.  So folks, how's about fleshing out these messages with links in
them with a little more info?

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Look, this isn't a photo book, but it is by
 someone whose photo sense is legend, of course.
 I can't understand why I'm not even getting any
 hits on it... its so lovely.

 Would some of you  just go take a look so it won't
 be so lonesome?

 Maybe I should misspell the last name of the
 author...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=279item=7936863777r
d=1

 of course, right now the andale counters seem to
 be off all over the place


 annsan




Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Yes, you may be closer to the Equator than to the Pole, at 43.5° N 
you're a bit closer to the Arctic Circle 66.5° N
than to the Equator.

Fred Widall wrote:
Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
We do get lots of snow though :)
--
Fred Widall,
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
--
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
55mm and 58mm were once the normal focal length.  Most lens manufactures 
made 58mms at one time.

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, last 
weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens included was 
the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4.
It was an older Rokkor with the chrome aperture ring.
So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.
Sincerely,
C. Brendemuehl



Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net

  

 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Pug comments Part1

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj
Good Pug again,gang. Lots of nice photos from everyone.

Thought i would comment on these 3 as they caught my eye first.

Warehouse in Winter
by Frank Theriault

I like how the right angle lines work in this photo Frank. Good contrast 
between the drift
and the wall.
Only thing is i'm torn between liking,then not liking, the wires. After a few 
looks,they
stopped bothering 
me and think they belong. Adds somemore depth to it is suppose.
Now if it would only snow abit so we can do our winter scenes,eh Frankvbg

Skidoo
by Martin Mielke

Great shot Martin. I like everything in it. How you have the tree almost centre 
and the
nice fresh tracks 
in the lower right. Nice sparkle to the snow and not overly blue.
Keeper:-)

Jeannie  Oscar
by Ann Sanfedele

Nice summer day with a loved one at an ice cream parlour. I like the red wall 
and the drip
effect. Having 
both looking the same way,seemingly at nothing,gives it that pause to refresh 
feel.

Thats it for now. I'll try and comment on somemore later. Hopefully them all 
this month.

Keep up the great work. Time for me to fix up my calendar so i dont miss another
submittion.g

Dave Brooks






RE: Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Malcolm Smith
Shel Belinkoff wrote:

{snip}
 Are new coatings strong enough to withstand lots of cleaning? 
  Some demonstrations that have been reported seem to indicate 
 that such is the case, but do you want to underwrite the cost 
 of that experiment long term? 
 Does your lens even have a newer coating?
{snip}

A few years back I bought some plain glass filters, for no other reason than
to protect the lenses from accidental damage.

Malcolm




RE: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Andre Langevin
Asahi themselves had a choice of two 58mm lenses for the Original 
Asahi Pentax camera, a f/2.4 and a f/2.  They also had an 83mm lens 
for that camera!

Andre
Nope. The same thing with old Topcons.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 13:19
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: OT: Odd Focal Length
I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, last
weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens included
was the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4.
It was an older Rokkor with the chrome aperture ring.
So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.
Sincerely,
C. Brendemuehl



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj
 
 A quick scan of thumbs shows that three Canadians submitted this
 month, Fred W., Martin M. and me.  We all featured winter snow in our
 photos.
 that's all,
 frank

Would have been 4 if i remembered to submit.vbg

Mine would have been a snow one to.LOL

Dave(when did it start geting so hot up here)Brooks





Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Bob W
Hi,

[...]

 I hope it's half as memorable as one of our trips was!
 On the other hand, trying to hail a taxi around Trafalgar Square, after
 midnight, the night of the 31st, on windy and misty, thoroughly WET 
 London streets, is NOT recommended!
 We nearly walked back to our flat, as no taxi would stop for us...
 Our 16 year old daughter kept saying, I'm dying, Dad! No, really! I am.
 The wet street sucked all your bodily warmth out of you. Especially if
 you're wearing fashionable shoes, instead of Ugghs, or similar!  big grin

That must have been some time ago. For the last few years the tube has
been running all night on New Year's Eve, free.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Bob W
Hi,

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=279item=7936863777rd=1

It does look like an interesting book. However, Simon Callow is a noted
English actor. The unpleasant pop person is Simon Cowell, I believe.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Here's a suggestion for those posting URL's to which they want to send
 people:  how about including some information in the message that provides
 some idea about what's to be found.  For example, Ann, you could have
 mentioned the name of the book or the author and asked if the spelling was
 correct as well as including the URL.  Might save some folks some time and
 $$.  I'm not picking on you specifically ... this has been a sore point for
 me for some time: someone posts a URL with the comment interesting. and
 that's it.  So folks, how's about fleshing out these messages with links in
 them with a little more info?

 Shel

Normally I would agree, Shel -- I sort of wanted a reaction to the listing
which,
if I clued every one, I wouldn't get.  I did say it was a book -
Why would it save anyone $$ though?  I'm not being a spoiler for anyone's
great find - and it doesn't cost anyone anything to look.

The only thing I mind is when people have a link to a sight that moves or has
music on it
without warning - or something that takes ten hours to download.

I'll add, though, that it is a book of artwork that I have listed starting at
$5.50 US and
that there had been only one hit on it prior to my asking you guys to look.

ann




  [Original Message]
  From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Look, this isn't a photo book, but it is by
  someone whose photo sense is legend, of course.
  I can't understand why I'm not even getting any
  hits on it... its so lovely.
 
  Would some of you  just go take a look so it won't
  be so lonesome?
 
  Maybe I should misspell the last name of the
  author...
 
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=279item=7936863777r
 d=1
 
  of course, right now the andale counters seem to
  be off all over the place
 
 
  annsan



Re: database software

2004-12-01 Thread Jon Glass
On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Frits Wüthrich wrote:
Does this support PEF files? I couldn't find that on the website.
Nobody has mentioned it yet, but there is always Adobe's new digital 
negative format. It can convert PEF raw files into the digital neg. 
format. I don't know if these programs support it yet, but I wonder how 
functional it would be in comparison to the PEF format? At least for 
the purpose of archiving and retrieval...
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Good normal lens for the *ist-en?

2004-12-01 Thread Nick Clark
The Sigma is very good for sharpness and very little vignetting. I have used it 
on an MZ-S and projected the resulting slide to 6' to good effect.

You do have to watch out for flare and general contrast reduction when shooting 
into a bright light source, and it's essential to use the suppliee lens hood. 
It has a very large focussing ring and a good feel for manual focus. You have 
to slide the ring to disengage the AF, and also use the switch on the body.

It was my most used lens on a trip to Dorset and Devon in the summer, but since 
I got the 24mm f/2.8 A it has seen little use. It's just that much bigger (the 
price for the fast aperture I suppose). I might ebay it in the new year. A very 
good lens though.

Nick

-Original Message-
From: Jarek Dabrowski[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Could you tell more about Sigma 24/1.8 performance (sharpness, and flare 
control) ? Have you used it on a full-frame SLR ?

   



Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread Norman Baugher
Way coolthanks for sharing the link.
Norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html
My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share.
Dave

 




Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread Norman Baugher
On second thought, why would anyone tramp out in the frozen tundra when 
most of this can be done in Photoshop?
Norm

Norman Baugher wrote:
Way coolthanks for sharing the link.
Norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html   

My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd 
share.

Dave   


 






Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Keith Whaley

Bob W wrote:
Hi,
[...]

I hope it's half as memorable as one of our trips was!
On the other hand, trying to hail a taxi around Trafalgar Square, after
midnight, the night of the 31st, on windy and misty, thoroughly WET 
London streets, is NOT recommended!
We nearly walked back to our flat, as no taxi would stop for us...
Our 16 year old daughter kept saying, I'm dying, Dad! No, really! I am.
The wet street sucked all your bodily warmth out of you. Especially if
you're wearing fashionable shoes, instead of Ugghs, or similar!  big grin

That must have been some time ago. For the last few years the tube has
been running all night on New Year's Eve, free.
Yeah it was!
Let's reconstruct it -
She was born in '63, plus 16 = 1979! Yup...some time ago!
We've been since, but chose to go other times in the year.
Last time I went with my daughter was in Aug. of '98 - 19 years later!
Much warmer then! Stayed in London, drove down past Devon and the 
seashore...lovely trip!

keith whaley


Re: survey

2004-12-01 Thread Norman Baugher
I'd like to do a survey on what the best surveys are
Norm



Re: Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Jack Davis
Peter,
I see you're getting all the info you will need to
make a cursory initial decision re filter usage. I
took your question to, also, include that of an
opinion as to Tiffen brand filters. I've used a bunch
of their filters (multi coated..etc.) and have
developed no aversion to their use. At this point in
my photo pursuit I find myself paying a bit more for
filters partially due to the fact that they are going
on more expensive lenses. Don't have a clue if I need
to.
My only lens that is not filtered is a 100 f/2.8 
macro. Deep set front lens and extra fine detail
sought.
I'll add one other point in the event it hasn't been
mentioned, and that is the chance of additional flare
due to reflection 'bounce back' between the filter
surface and the objective lens. When shooting, even
obliquely, toward a light source, I remove the filter.
Hope you can use.

Jack

 
--- Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 my father gave me some photographic odds and ends he
 isn't using any more.
 Among other things a Tiffen Haze-1 filter. It looks
 clean, but is it a good
 one? Is it usefull? What is your general opinion
 about filters. Some
 recommend the use of filters to protect the lenses,
 others say that its
 better not to use filters at all, or only in special
 situations.
 
 Peter, Sweden
 
 
 




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Re: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Like i said, Ann, I wasn't picking on you, just making a general comment ...

It could cost someone $$ if they were paying phone line charges, especially
if they had a slow, dialup connection.  Might not be a lot of money, but
over the period of a month or so it does add up. And while some may suggest
that even the monthly total may not be much, it could be for some.

Shel 


 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Normally I would agree, Shel -- I sort of wanted a reaction to the listing
 which,  if I clued every one, I wouldn't get.  I did say it was a book -
 Why would it save anyone $$ though?  I'm not being a spoiler for anyone's
 great find - and it doesn't cost anyone anything to look.




Re: Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A deep and effective lens hood is helpful, Jack ;-)) especially since there
are times one may want to use a filter for contrast enhancement in BW
work, color correction, or certain effects.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'll add one other point in the event it hasn't been
 mentioned, and that is the chance of additional flare
 due to reflection 'bounce back' between the filter
 surface and the objective lens. When shooting, even
 obliquely, toward a light source, I remove the filter.




Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread brooksdj
 On second thought, why would anyone 
tramp 
out in the frozen tundra when 
 most of this can be done in Photoshop?
 Norm

Cause thats all we got is frozen tundra.LOL

Dave




Re: Filter question

2004-12-01 Thread Jim Apilado
I don't put haze or skylight filters on my lenses.  The one filter I will
use a lot is a polarizing filter.  The only time I will place a haze filter
over my lens is when I need a misty shot.  The filter is given a light
coating of vaseline to give me the fog effect.

Jim A.

 From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:27:30 +0100
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Filter question
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:27:47 -0500
 
 Hi all,
 my father gave me some photographic odds and ends he isn't using any more.
 Among other things a Tiffen Haze-1 filter. It looks clean, but is it a good
 one? Is it usefull? What is your general opinion about filters. Some
 recommend the use of filters to protect the lenses, others say that its
 better not to use filters at all, or only in special situations.
 
 Peter, Sweden
 
 



Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
Perhaps what you are
suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
head is out for a walk ?
No - there are three buttons on the printer, one for power, one to manually 
load or eject paper and one  that you use to replace an empty ink cartridge 
when one of the low ink lights above it is flashing (Epson calls it the 
cleaning button.  To replace a cartridge when you do not have a low ink 
light flashing, you move the print head to the cartridge replacement 
position by pressing and holding the load/eject button for about 3 seconds.

Here is a link to the US version of Epson's web site for support on the 
Stylus Photo.  Near the bottom under Documents and Manuals, is a link to 
download the manual for this printer in .pdf.  Chapter 5, page 5-7 describes 
what you want to do under Replacing an Outdated Ink Cartridge:

HTH
   -P
- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Thanks, Paul. Isn't what you are describing the normal procedure for
changing cartridges? I guess my printer works a little different - it has
very strange procedures for all manual operations. Perhaps what you are
suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
head is out for a walk ?
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 17:21
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
Jens -
Don't know if this will work on your model, but this procedure will work 
on
the Stylus 880.

Press the load/eject button for about 3 seconds until the print head 
starts
moving to the left and the power light begins flashing.

Do whatever changes you want to make with the ink cartridges
Press the load/eject again until the print head begins to move back to the
right.  The power light will begin flashing again and the printer will go
through the ink charging process.  When it's done, your set to go.
   -P
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of the
firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years 
old,
but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt






Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
WOW!  Some of these are just super  

Shel 

  http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html   




Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
I suppose I *should*  include the link g
http://tinyurl.com/6xoz6
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Perhaps what you are
suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
head is out for a walk ?
No - there are three buttons on the printer, one for power, one to 
manually load or eject paper and one  that you use to replace an empty ink 
cartridge when one of the low ink lights above it is flashing (Epson calls 
it the cleaning button.  To replace a cartridge when you do not have a 
low ink light flashing, you move the print head to the cartridge 
replacement position by pressing and holding the load/eject button for 
about 3 seconds.

Here is a link to the US version of Epson's web site for support on the 
Stylus Photo.  Near the bottom under Documents and Manuals, is a link to 
download the manual for this printer in .pdf.  Chapter 5, page 5-7 
describes what you want to do under Replacing an Outdated Ink Cartridge:

HTH
   -P
- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Thanks, Paul. Isn't what you are describing the normal procedure for
changing cartridges? I guess my printer works a little different - it has
very strange procedures for all manual operations. Perhaps what you are
suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
head is out for a walk ?
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 17:21
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
Jens -
Don't know if this will work on your model, but this procedure will work 
on
the Stylus 880.

Press the load/eject button for about 3 seconds until the print head 
starts
moving to the left and the power light begins flashing.

Do whatever changes you want to make with the ink cartridges
Press the load/eject again until the print head begins to move back to 
the
right.  The power light will begin flashing again and the printer will go
through the ink charging process.  When it's done, your set to go.

   -P
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of 
the
firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years 
old,
but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt








Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR DI

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Genovese
Has anyone tested this lens on a film body. I'm considering it coz I 
need a fast normal f/2.8 zoom for my film body  since I hope to buy the 
IST-D sometime in '05 I thought It would be a wise buy.

OTOH don't want a dog on the full 35mm frame.
Tnx
Patrick


Re: Good normal lens for the *ist-en?

2004-12-01 Thread Jon Glass
On Dec 1, 2004, at 8:32 PM, Nick Clark wrote:
The Sigma is very good for sharpness and very little vignetting. I 
have used it on an MZ-S and projected the resulting slide to 6' to 
good effect.

You do have to watch out for flare and general contrast reduction when 
shooting into a bright light source, and it's essential to use the 
suppliee lens hood. It has a very large focussing ring and a good feel 
for manual focus. You have to slide the ring to disengage the AF, and 
also use the switch on the body.

Bother, and I just let one of these go for about $30 today!!! Bother, 
bother!

Well, I do want to add a thank you to all who replied. I've got a lot 
of options and I'm loaded for bear now :-)
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: survey

2004-12-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd like to do a survey on what the best surveys are

I think that survey would rank last.
But we can't know that until we do the survey!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: OT: Christmas in London

2004-12-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oxford Street is always horrendously busy at this time of year, with
 police on the street corners using megaphones to control the crowds.
 Immediately after Christmas the January sales begin, so there is no
 lull. It is horrible.

That actually sounds excellent for some street photography, no?

As well as the numerous other spots recommended, try the Rupert
Street/Berwick street stretch. Many photographable characters to be
found.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: survey

2004-12-01 Thread Norman Baugher
Well, Mr. Roberts, let's make a list. I'll start:
1) What camera gear do you carry.
2) What's the best 50mm lens.
3) How many rolls or frames do you shoot per week/month/year, etc.
4) Reasons TV was sitting on the beer cooler at GFM.
5) Reasons we never see baby pigeons.
Norm
Mark Roberts wrote:
Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I'd like to do a survey on what the best surveys are
   

I think that survey would rank last.
But we can't know that until we do the survey!
 




Re: database software

2004-12-01 Thread John Francis
Jon Glass mused:
 
 On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Frits Wüthrich wrote:
 
  Does this support PEF files? I couldn't find that on the website.
 
 Nobody has mentioned it yet, but there is always Adobe's new digital 
 negative format. It can convert PEF raw files into the digital neg. 
 format. I don't know if these programs support it yet, but I wonder how 
 functional it would be in comparison to the PEF format? At least for 
 the purpose of archiving and retrieval...

You won't lose any image data, but you will lose some of the metadata
(such as, for example, just which lens was being used).

I'd strongly urge you to keep a copy of the PEF, even if you use DNG



Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Jon Glass
On Dec 1, 2004, at 9:17 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
No - there are three buttons on the printer, one for power, one to 
manually load or eject paper and one  that you use to replace an empty 
ink cartridge when one of the low ink lights above it is flashing 
(Epson calls it the cleaning button.  To replace a cartridge when 
you do not have a low ink light flashing, you move the print head to 
the cartridge replacement position by pressing and holding the 
load/eject button for about 3 seconds.

Yeah, that's how my Stylus Color works. I wonder if what he's talking 
about is the fact that the printer uses the reload to reset the page 
counter. Before Epson put chips into their printers, this was how it 
worked. Basically, what will happen is that when you put your black 
cartridge back in, the counter will be reset the counter back to 0, and 
will start counting from there. When it thinks the cartridge is empty, 
based on your use, it will tell you via the flashing light. However, 
because you are refilling with a partially empty cartridge, you will 
run out first. This may cause problems with the print head, thus 
clogging it and destroying the printer...

If this is how it works, then it would be ok, I guess, to put the old 
cart back in, only be very careful, and watch for the cart to empty, 
and swap it out before you stand a chance of ruining your print heads.
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: database software

2004-12-01 Thread Jon Glass
On Nov 30, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Tim Sherburne wrote:
From what I could gather, that was the most significant of the few
differences between iPhoto 2 and 4. $50 doesn't seem like a good value
unless you're going to use the other stuff.
On the other hand, you could view it as a whole lot cheaper than iView 
Media Pro, and still cheaper than Elements. ;-) (Although Elements 
doesn't have the catalog in the Mac version--bummer, really. I like the 
stacks idea!)
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




My *ist-DS and SMCP-DA 18-55mm just arrived...

2004-12-01 Thread Fred Widall
My *ist-DS and SMCP-DA 18-55mm just arrived... whopppe.
Xmas came early this year.

First impressions, feels quite heavy and solidly built, large handgrip
feels good. Controls appear to be pretty straight forward - a
mix of my MZ-7 and Optio 33L. I'll browse the manual tonight, then
we'll be off and shooting.

Just in time for my new grandchild who's due to make his/her arrival
this weekend. I'll have to thank them for holding on until after the
camera arrived :)

--
 Fred Widall,
 Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
--



Re: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Like i said, Ann, I wasn't picking on you, just making a general comment ...


I didnt' take offense Shel - I partly agree with you.


 It could cost someone $$ if they were paying phone line charges, especially
 if they had a slow, dialup connection.  Might not be a lot of money, but
 over the period of a month or so it does add up. And while some may suggest
 that even the monthly total may not be much, it could be for some.

 Shel

Well I'll tell you what  do what I do  - I wait to see what others on the list
say about
some link that is posted to see if it sounds interesting :)

I actually have a slow dial up connection - so I don't hang up very often.

annsan



  From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Normally I would agree, Shel -- I sort of wanted a reaction to the listing
  which,  if I clued every one, I wouldn't get.  I did say it was a book -
  Why would it save anyone $$ though?  I'm not being a spoiler for anyone's
  great find - and it doesn't cost anyone anything to look.



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread mike wilson
Fred Widall wrote:
Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
We do get lots of snow though :)
I'm almost precisely on 55degrees.  I think Jostein is on about 
59.something.  Paal is probably furthest North?

mike


Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-01 Thread Henri Toivonen
mike wilson wrote:
Fred Widall wrote:
Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
We do get lots of snow though :)

I'm almost precisely on 55degrees.  I think Jostein is on about 
59.something.  Paal is probably furthest North?

mike
I'm at 65 degrees, almost 66.
Who will win?
/Henri


Re: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Dec 2004 at 7:19, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, last
 weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens included was
 the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4. It was an older Rokkor with the chrome aperture ring.
 So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.

I have a Rokkor 58/1.2 on my old SRT303


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Pug comments Part1

2004-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Thanks, Dave!
I still haven't looked at anything but thumbnails -
slow machining here

I liked that Adelheid put My shot next to Fred's - now that was
what we call ironic juxtaposition :)
Was kinda surprised there were not more people shots - especially
since mine so seldom are.

annsan


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Jeannie  Oscar
 by Ann Sanfedele

 Nice summer day with a loved one at an ice cream parlour. I like the red wall 
 and the drip
 effect. Having
 both looking the same way,seemingly at nothing,gives it that pause to refresh 
 feel.

 Thats it for now. I'll try and comment on somemore later. Hopefully them all 
 this month.

 Keep up the great work. Time for me to fix up my calendar so i dont miss 
 another
 submittion.g

 Dave Brooks





Re: database software

2004-12-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Dec 2004 at 17:30, Jon Glass wrote:

 Nobody has mentioned it yet, but there is always Adobe's new digital 
 negative format. It can convert PEF raw files into the digital neg. 
 format. I don't know if these programs support it yet, but I wonder how 
 functional it would be in comparison to the PEF format? At least for 
 the purpose of archiving and retrieval...

I don't see any point migrating to DNG format until its widespread adoption by 
camera manufacturers since most good third party image library tools seem to 
add new models to their RAW file convertors and PS CS RAW currently provides a 
common import interface.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Christmas Project

2004-12-01 Thread Pat Curran
I plan an attempt at bird table photography during the holidays using one of
my Super A bodies / Motor Drive A and a 15mm f3.5 A lens.

The plan is to bait a pre-focused area for song birds and then fire the
tripod mounted Super A via a newly acquired infrared trigger from the
comfort of the kitchen window.

Anyone any experience of this type of bird photography?

My other lenses are a 50mm f1.4 A and a 200mm f4 A.  (- also ordered a used
28mm f2.8 A from KEH tonight so I will have a choice of four lenses - ) Any
suggestions on the best lens to use on this project or other tips would be
very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Pat



RE: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
RE: 58mm normal lenses

I think these 58mm lenses existed for one or two reasons:

1. 58mm allowed 100% magnification thru the viewfinder
2. 58mm was minimum focal length possible without having
to resort to a retrofocus optical design.

I think they disappeared for one reason:

1. 58mm is too long for a general purpose lens on
35mm format, 40-50mm is much more versatile...

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Odd Focal Length


On 1 Dec 2004 at 7:19, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 I was looking around the Valley antique mall in Richland Center, WI, 
 last weekend.  They had an X-700 system on the shelf.  The normal lens

 included was the MC Rokkor-PF 58/1.4. It was an older Rokkor with the 
 chrome aperture ring. So I guess Pentax isn't alone with odd lengths.

I have a Rokkor 58/1.2 on my old SRT303


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
For the adventure of it all. (My definition of adventure, someone else 
having a very difficult time several thousand miles away from where I'm 
reading about it.)

Norman Baugher wrote:
On second thought, why would anyone tramp out in the frozen tundra 
when most of this can be done in Photoshop?
Norm

Norman Baugher wrote:
Way coolthanks for sharing the link.
Norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html  
My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought 
i'd share.

Dave  


 





--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




RE: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread Andre Langevin
2. 58mm was minimum focal length possible without having
to resort to a retrofocus optical design.
JCO
Not sure I understand...  Much shorter lenses were produced without a 
retrofocus design, for example the Tessar lenses, up to 40mm.

Andre


RE: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
well a slow lens with overall thin thickness it
can be shorter, but if you measure most 50mm
faster lenses are slightly retrofocus because
their optical centers are more than 5mm out from
the flange (flange is 45.5mm from the film
plane on M42 and K mount ).
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Odd Focal Length


2. 58mm was minimum focal length possible without having
to resort to a retrofocus optical design.

JCO

Not sure I understand...  Much shorter lenses were produced without a 
retrofocus design, for example the Tessar lenses, up to 40mm.

Andre



E6 with JOBO

2004-12-01 Thread David Zaninovic
I got a wild idea that I could do my own E6 processing as used JOBO CPE-2 
processors with lift are cheap right now.  Is anybody on
the list doing that ?  Which chemicals are the best, Kodak or Tetenal ?  How 
long can unmixed chemicals last after the bottle is
opened with Kodak vs Tetenal ?  Which process is the easiest and which one is 
the best ?

I am using ZX-M and scanning, and I am too cheap to go *ist D/Ds so this is on 
topic. :)



RE: OT: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Now that I think about it, I have not seen any tessar type 35mm
SLR lenses with 40mm focal length, all I have seen are 50mm.
which tessar 40mm lenses are for 35mm SLRs? What mount?
Even if the lens optical design was only 10mm from front
to rear element, the rear element would be only 35mm from
film plane making it 10mm deeper than the flange on M42/PK
mount. Anybody know what the specification is on M42/PK
with regards as to how deep the lens elements can go
below the flange distance?
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Odd Focal Length


2. 58mm was minimum focal length possible without having
to resort to a retrofocus optical design.

JCO

Not sure I understand...  Much shorter lenses were produced without a 
retrofocus design, for example the Tessar lenses, up to 40mm.

Andre



Re: Filter question (Shel)

2004-12-01 Thread Jack Davis
Shel,
Right! That afterthought did occur to me and, given
enough time, I might have even sent an addendum.
Thanks for covering the point. :)))

Jack
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A deep and effective lens hood is helpful, Jack ;-))
 especially since there
 are times one may want to use a filter for contrast
 enhancement in BW
 work, color correction, or certain effects.
 
 Shel 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I'll add one other point in the event it hasn't
 been
  mentioned, and that is the chance of additional
 flare
  due to reflection 'bounce back' between the filter
  surface and the objective lens. When shooting,
 even
  obliquely, toward a light source, I remove the
 filter.
 
 
 




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RE: Epson Printer (Stylus Photo)

2004-12-01 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks for the link.
I do believe I won't get much wiser, I'm afraid.
What I was looking for, was a way to trick the d machine to act as if
the almost full ink cartridge was a new one. I guess the official EPSON web
site won't give me this

I think all the automatics of this printer system sucks! Not to mention the
user guide: The subjecs concerning replacing ink cartridges and cleaning the
printer head are described in 4 different chapters! Very clever!

I have re-inserted the used black ink, which to my surprise, worked!
However, since the prints were still banded, I tried to re-install the
cleaning cartridge. Unfortunatly unsuccessfully! The red light for empty
cartridge is now on. And of cource nothing works. I can't clean the head
and it's no use to put in new ink as long as the head is not clean. That's
like the old song about the hole in the bucket!
This is how EPSON tricks me to buy a lot of ink, that will never reach a
sheet of paper.

I guess I'll leave the cleaning fluid/cartridge in the machine over night
(recommended by the cleaning cartridge manufacturer).
Tomorrow I'll put in a fresh black ink cartridge. If the prints are still
bad, I'll simply ditch the whole thing. It cost me something like 700 USD
four years ago. Today (after app. 100 prints) it's probably worhless. A new
printer will cost me less than giving this one a repair. I still think it is
very annoying that EPSON, not me, decides when to add cleaning fluid or when
to replace an ink cartridges. I won't buy an Epson printer again! Big
mistake! I have spent more money on replacing full or half full cartridges
than on useable prints! I guess I'll just go back to having the lab do my
prints. It's much cheaper and less annoying.



Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. december 2004 21:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


I suppose I *should*  include the link g

 http://tinyurl.com/6xoz6

- Original Message -
From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


 Perhaps what you are
 suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
 head is out for a walk ?

 No - there are three buttons on the printer, one for power, one to
 manually load or eject paper and one  that you use to replace an empty ink
 cartridge when one of the low ink lights above it is flashing (Epson calls
 it the cleaning button.  To replace a cartridge when you do not have a
 low ink light flashing, you move the print head to the cartridge
 replacement position by pressing and holding the load/eject button for
 about 3 seconds.

 Here is a link to the US version of Epson's web site for support on the
 Stylus Photo.  Near the bottom under Documents and Manuals, is a link to
 download the manual for this printer in .pdf.  Chapter 5, page 5-7
 describes what you want to do under Replacing an Outdated Ink Cartridge:

 HTH

-P

 - Original Message -
 From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:29 PM
 Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


 Thanks, Paul. Isn't what you are describing the normal procedure for
 changing cartridges? I guess my printer works a little different - it has
 very strange procedures for all manual operations. Perhaps what you are
 suggesting is to swftly slipping in the new cartridge when ever the print
 head is out for a walk ?

 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sendt: 1. december 2004 17:21
 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


 Jens -

 Don't know if this will work on your model, but this procedure will work
 on
 the Stylus 880.

 Press the load/eject button for about 3 seconds until the print head
 starts
 moving to the left and the power light begins flashing.

 Do whatever changes you want to make with the ink cartridges

 Press the load/eject again until the print head begins to move back to
 the
 right.  The power light will begin flashing again and the printer will go
 through the ink charging process.  When it's done, your set to go.

-P

 - Original Message -
 From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:00 AM
 Subject: RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


 ...It's Epson Stylus Photo - the exact and full name. It was one of
 the
 firts photo realistic printers on the market. It's probably 4-5 years
 old,
 but have printet less than 100 A4 pages through this time years.

 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt














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