RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, I try to keep them natural. Actually she's kind of "redish" - her
mother (my daughter) is a red head :-)

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. juni 2005 03:55
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm


Hi Jens
V e r y lovely pictures and poses.
It's blond, it's a Bladt? ;-)
greetings
Markus


>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:24 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm
>>
>>
>>I'm quite pleased with the sharpness of this inexpensive lens - even at
>>moderat aperture values:
>>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215746.html
>>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215765.html
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Jens Bladt
>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>>
>>
>>-Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sendt: 10. juni 2005 14:30
>>Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Emne: Enabled - F 24-50mm
>>
>>
>>Today my Pentax-F 4/24-50mm arrived all the way from California.
>>It's in mint condition and truely nice and it seems to perform very well.
>>It's very good for the reasonable price tag of 201,50 USD + shiopping and
>>taxes.
>>I'm really looking forward to using this lens as my walk around lens. It's
>>very small and and not heavy, compared to my Tokina 2.6-2.8/28-70mm. I
>>really like the performance and portability of Pentax-F lenses! They look
>>toyish, but are actually well built - in fact better than the
>>early consumer
>>FA-zooms, I believe. When or if I vever get rich, I might swop it for a
>>20-35mm.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>Jens Bladt
>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>>
>>
>>





Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Jun 2005 at 2:15, Wigwam Jones wrote:

> OK, well, just trying to help.  I'll just keep doing my inferior thing, 
> then, and you have fun with Elements.  Everybody happy.

John I know has been experimenting with various RAW convertors pretty my since 
the the first *ist D were released, he's even written his own convertor (and a 
jpg extractor which I use in a batch to quickly create jpg thumbs of my RAW 
files) so his opinion on RAW convertors carries some weight in the PDML. Plus 
if you care to delve into the archives you'll find that the vast majority of 
RAW shooters here (including myself) have found DCRAW to be inferior to most 
other convertors (commercial or not) in both output quality and flexibility.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
I thought this was commonly accepted. I'm sure the camera industry didn't
just invent the RAW-format to ensure longer downloading times and larger
files :-)

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


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Fra: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. juni 2005 01:16
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: First *ist Ds shots


>The quality is simply better.

Interesting comment.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: First *ist Ds shots


> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
>
>
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
>
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
>
> Also captured this trio...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
>
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
>
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
>
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>




Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Graywolf

Flatlanders! (GRIN)

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Bob Sullivan wrote:

Last year at GFM we drove up to the top of the mountain thru that S
curve.  It must be a 15-20% grade at the curve.  As we reached it, a
25 or 30 foot long delivery truck, not a van but a HEAVY truck with
dual rear wheels, was trying to make it up the grade.  We watched him
try to keep the truck on the road as he negotiated the turns.

When we got to the shop at the top of the mountain, he was delivering
ice cream bars!  I really couldn't believe that the guy made this trip
in that truck just to refill a 2 foot by 4 foot ice cream cooler in
the shop.  I was uncomfortable driving my van up and down the curve!

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Kenneth Waller wrote:




Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller


That sort of definesanScurve ok!  - I think I
drove down that
one with Wheatfield at the wheel and still have
the ragged fingernails
to prove it :)

pretty shot, Ken
ann









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RE: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
I thought this was commonly accepted. I'm sure the camera industry didn't
just invent the RAW-format to ensure longer downloading times and larger
files :-)

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. juni 2005 01:16
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: First *ist Ds shots


>The quality is simply better.

Interesting comment.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: First *ist Ds shots


> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
>
>
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
>
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
>
> Also captured this trio...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
>
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
>
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
>
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>




Re: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Graywolf
I understand a lot of car comercials have been shot on GFM. The road at GFM is far from the scariest road around. But John, the section Ken shows if far from the scariest on GFM although it may be the tightest. 


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


John Coyle wrote:
You guys ain't seen nuthin' till you've seen the curves on the Island of 
St. Helena (that's the one in the South Atlantic Ocean, BTW)!  The GFM 
example is a pussy-cat compared with some of those.  If you can look up 
a map of the island on the WWW, look at the double bend on Two Gun 
Saddle, SSE fro Jamestown: it's a 20 degree slope and a 12 foot wide 
carriageway at max, with rock walls each side and a 200 foot drop on one 
side (if you miss the turn going downhill, it's about 400 feet down 
after you demolish a house with a magnificent view!).  I'll see if I can 
find a picture to illustrate in the next few days.


Yes and one guy thought Auto Minis could tackle it - hah!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: PAW: GFM "S" Curve



Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller







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Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Wigwam Jones
OK, well, just trying to help.  I'll just keep doing my inferior thing, 
then, and you have fun with Elements.  Everybody happy.


Best,

Wiggy

John Francis wrote:


On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 08:23:37PM -0400, Wigwam Jones wrote:
 

I downloaded 'dcraw' which is a batch command-line converter, it seems 
to work well.  This is also available for free in MS-DOS format in 
various places on the web - it is free software.
   



Free is nice, but sometimes it's worth little more than what you pay for it.

The original version of dcraw used a rather poor Bayer reconstruction
algorithm.  I believe the current verson is better, but it's still
nowhere near as good as the algorithms found in several other converters.
(Including some other free converters, albeit not for Linux platforms).

 

One last thing - this I am not sure anybody else knows yet.  The Pentax 
PEF (RAW) format file DOES contain an embedded JPG file.
   



Yes. - we've known that for a while.  But it's only the lowest-quality
JPG - suitable for previewing, and perhaps for small final images, but
not really good enough for serious use.



 





Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Wigwam Jones
Yes and no.  Perl runs under Windows, no problem - www.activestate.com 
is a freebie.  And dcraw has also been compiled to run under Windows.  
But I dont think that ImageMagick has been ported to Windows yet.  
That's kind of a problem, since as it has been pointed out, dcraw does 
not do a perfect job on the image, it is too dark out of the standard 
conversion and needs to be massaged a bit - so I'd need something like 
ImageMagick that runs under Windows and has a command-line interface to 
use in place of ImageMagic. Then, yes, it should be do-able under 
Windows as well as Linux.


Best,

Wiggy

Thibouille wrote:


I'm very intersted in that and any further development you might add :)

Doable under Win$ ?

2005/6/13, Wigwam Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 


That's what I like about Linux/Perl and scripting - do it once, let the
script do it from there on in.  I dump the images in my 'raw' directory,
my script runs every five minutes, looking for new files to convert.
Finds one, invokes dcraw, then pipes result to imagemagick, saves as tif
and jpg - jpg then is ftp'd to my website, all nice and comfy.  Five
minutes after I dump the day's shooting, the proofs are online for
viewing.  Not perfect - they're proofs!  If I see one that stands out, I
either go back to the TIF or the RAW and redo it by hand - works a
treat.  I figure I manually process one out of thirty or so - if that.
Most are just dross, but that's ok.

Right now, I'm just ftp'ing jpg files to my website - in the future, I
hope to have all the EXIF data embedded in an XML file and shot up with
the jpg, then converted to html when called by a web browser.  Oooh, I
get shivers just thinking about it.  Very do-able, I just haven't gotten
to it yet.

If I have to do it once, that's one thing.  If I have to do it twice,
that calls for a script.  Programmers are lazy, that's why we're cool.

Best,

Wiggy

Herb Chong wrote:

   


free has certain advantages, but if you have to put in twice as much
work, how much is your time worth?

Herb...
- Original Message - From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots


 


Works pretty well for me after I feed it to imagemagick, but hey,
it's free.  Fr.  I like that part.
   





 

   




 





Re: 1/16" metal balls

2005-06-12 Thread Graywolf

Bicycle Shop

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Joaquim Carvalho wrote:

Anyone knows of a source for 1/16 inch metal balls?
(an A 50mm lens I bought on Ebay is missing 2)





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Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 04:24:43PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Jens,
> 
> Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
> discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
> conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?

Nowadays I mostly use Photoshop Elements 3.0



Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 08:23:37PM -0400, Wigwam Jones wrote:
> 
> I downloaded 'dcraw' which is a batch command-line converter, it seems 
> to work well.  This is also available for free in MS-DOS format in 
> various places on the web - it is free software.

Free is nice, but sometimes it's worth little more than what you pay for it.

The original version of dcraw used a rather poor Bayer reconstruction
algorithm.  I believe the current verson is better, but it's still
nowhere near as good as the algorithms found in several other converters.
(Including some other free converters, albeit not for Linux platforms).

> One last thing - this I am not sure anybody else knows yet.  The Pentax 
> PEF (RAW) format file DOES contain an embedded JPG file.

Yes. - we've known that for a while.  But it's only the lowest-quality
JPG - suitable for previewing, and perhaps for small final images, but
not really good enough for serious use.



Re: Weird vignetting effect on an image

2005-06-12 Thread John Coyle

I go for the camera strap, if you weren't using a (n)ever-ready case!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:41 AM
Subject: Weird vignetting effect on an image


I was messing around shooting my cousin at close range using the Tamron 
90mm
macro, and I got this weird black blur in the lower right edge of the 
image:


http://www.sunny16.net/jennie-test.htm

I posted the image that came after that that lacks this blur. The blur is
only visible in that top photo, which was in the middle of a series. Does
anyone have any idea what could cause that? Cousin and I were sitting in 
the

same position the whole time, I never removed the lens, etc.

Thanks in advance,
Amita






Re: Pano from Milson's Pt

2005-06-12 Thread John Coyle

Nice shot Derby.
A point for advice, please: I'm thinking that, to avoid exposure differences 
when taking the frames for a panoramic, it's better to set it to manual and 
thus get the same throughout each frame?  I think that will avoid what I've 
found before, different saturation in, particularly, the sky from frame to 
frame.


Am I right?

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:20 PM
Subject: PESO: Pano from Milson's Pt




I know this view has been done millions of times. But I thought it would 
be a good test for the 6x7 I recently acquired. Boy, if I'm going to be 
scanning many more of these negs in, I am definitely going to have to beef 
up my rig. The full size of this pano is 18689x6327.


Love the camera. Didn't use the leaf shutter in these shots, so the normal 
mirror slap didn't seem to affect the sharpness that much.


And I discovered I DON'T like the Photomerge function in PS. It leaves 
these ugly diagonal blend lines. Much better to do it by hand and adjust 
channels.


Yes, I notice the blend around where the Opera House is could be better. 
This frame was a bit tricky, because I didn't want to blow out the details 
of the ferry wharf (which I did in any case), so the sky was 
under-exposed. Might have to go back and take a couple, and do an HDR 
blend.



http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/PDML_misc/milson.htm

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Re: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread John Coyle
You guys ain't seen nuthin' till you've seen the curves on the Island of St. 
Helena (that's the one in the South Atlantic Ocean, BTW)!  The GFM example 
is a pussy-cat compared with some of those.  If you can look up a map of the 
island on the WWW, look at the double bend on Two Gun Saddle, SSE fro 
Jamestown: it's a 20 degree slope and a 12 foot wide carriageway at max, 
with rock walls each side and a 200 foot drop on one side (if you miss the 
turn going downhill, it's about 400 feet down after you demolish a house 
with a magnificent view!).  I'll see if I can find a picture to illustrate 
in the next few days.


Yes and one guy thought Auto Minis could tackle it - hah!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: PAW: GFM "S" Curve



Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller





Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/12/2005 10:22:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html

A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.




Shel 
=
Too dark on my monitor too. So I can't tell if it's a pot pipe or not.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe 



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Bob Sullivan wrote:


Last year at GFM we drove up to the top of the mountain thru that S
curve.  It must be a 15-20% grade at the curve.  As we reached it, a
25 or 30 foot long delivery truck, not a van but a HEAVY truck with
dual rear wheels, was trying to make it up the grade.  We watched him
try to keep the truck on the road as he negotiated the turns.

When we got to the shop at the top of the mountain, he was delivering
ice cream bars!  I really couldn't believe that the guy made this trip
in that truck just to refill a 2 foot by 4 foot ice cream cooler in
the shop.  I was uncomfortable driving my van up and down the curve!
 

Sounds so very familiar -- I remember on my trip (late July last year) 
watching with fascination (and photographing, of course!) a bright red 
Coca-Cola truck goin' up there last summer. I do appreciate the 
dedication of the people who deliver those necessities up there ... :-)


ERNR



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/12/2005 4:14:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller
==
Last year I chickened out and let Graywolf drive me and Ann to the top of the 
mountain. There were enough windy curves below that that had been quite 
exciting enough for me. I can't tell really if that shot is near the top or 
lower 
down, but it looks like one that goes to the top, just a little ways above the 
conference center.

Coming down, actually, was the fun part. I thought I showed nice trust in 
someone I hadn't really ridden with before. (Okay, I closed my eyes now and 
then 
and I think I said a few things, "take it easy, don't go over the edge, etc." 
But I don't think I left big red impressions in Graywolf's arm, though. I was 
restrained. However, I lost all desire to ever go to the top again -- in this 
lifetime.)

Nice shot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Thibouille
I'm very intersted in that and any further development you might add :)

Doable under Win$ ?

2005/6/13, Wigwam Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That's what I like about Linux/Perl and scripting - do it once, let the
> script do it from there on in.  I dump the images in my 'raw' directory,
> my script runs every five minutes, looking for new files to convert.
> Finds one, invokes dcraw, then pipes result to imagemagick, saves as tif
> and jpg - jpg then is ftp'd to my website, all nice and comfy.  Five
> minutes after I dump the day's shooting, the proofs are online for
> viewing.  Not perfect - they're proofs!  If I see one that stands out, I
> either go back to the TIF or the RAW and redo it by hand - works a
> treat.  I figure I manually process one out of thirty or so - if that.
> Most are just dross, but that's ok.
> 
> Right now, I'm just ftp'ing jpg files to my website - in the future, I
> hope to have all the EXIF data embedded in an XML file and shot up with
> the jpg, then converted to html when called by a web browser.  Oooh, I
> get shivers just thinking about it.  Very do-able, I just haven't gotten
> to it yet.
> 
> If I have to do it once, that's one thing.  If I have to do it twice,
> that calls for a script.  Programmers are lazy, that's why we're cool.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Wiggy
> 
> Herb Chong wrote:
> 
> > free has certain advantages, but if you have to put in twice as much
> > work, how much is your time worth?
> >
> > Herb...
> > - Original Message - From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots
> >
> >
> >> Works pretty well for me after I feed it to imagemagick, but hey,
> >> it's free.  Fr.  I like that part.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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*ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX and KR-10x ...



Re: 1/16" metal balls

2005-06-12 Thread Powell Hargrave
At 04:52 PM 12/06/2005 , you wrote:
>
>Anyone knows of a source for 1/16 inch metal balls?
>(an A 50mm lens I bought on Ebay is missing 2)

There is one on my floor somewhere.  I will have to vacuum some day soon
though.

Powell  :-(



Re: PESO: Pano from Milson's Pt

2005-06-12 Thread Derby Chang


Well, normally I wouldn't show how unpretty my stuff is up close, but 
since you asked nicely... :)


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/PDML_misc/milson_detail.htm

I must also remember to make sure the seams don't fall on somewhere 
important, like the Altair building (the one with the shark fin), which 
makes it tricky to blend. Hmm...left frame is also a touch crooked.


I'm unsubbing for a while. Taking over the house of a friend and looking 
after her cat while she's overseas. Thought I'd detox and de-PC at the 
same time. But I am taking the 31mm and the LX with me. Rob, that shot 
is so sharp. Doesn't Jeffrey St Wharf rock with the waves? Amazing.


cheerio,
D


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 13 Jun 2005 at 12:20, Derby Chang wrote:

 

Yes, I notice the blend around where the Opera House is could be better. 
This frame was a bit tricky, because I didn't want to blow out the 
details of the ferry wharf (which I did in any case), so the sky was 
under-exposed. Might have to go back and take a couple, and do an HDR blend.



http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/PDML_misc/milson.htm
   



It's a very difficult scene to expose, a pano constructed of HDR image would be 
ideal I guess, not a bad effort in any case. Any chance of seeing a detail 
section 1:1?


Whilst very recently in tour guide mode I made the following shot from the 
ferry wharf using *ist D, 31mm and a table top tripod. I had to lie down flat 
on the concrete to eliminate the piers so I smelt like bait afterwards, decent 
shot though, the 31mm earns its keep again :-)


http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/temp/IMGP1356.jpg (it's a bit big 750kB)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
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Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Wigwam Jones
That's what I like about Linux/Perl and scripting - do it once, let the 
script do it from there on in.  I dump the images in my 'raw' directory, 
my script runs every five minutes, looking for new files to convert.  
Finds one, invokes dcraw, then pipes result to imagemagick, saves as tif 
and jpg - jpg then is ftp'd to my website, all nice and comfy.  Five 
minutes after I dump the day's shooting, the proofs are online for 
viewing.  Not perfect - they're proofs!  If I see one that stands out, I 
either go back to the TIF or the RAW and redo it by hand - works a 
treat.  I figure I manually process one out of thirty or so - if that.  
Most are just dross, but that's ok.


Right now, I'm just ftp'ing jpg files to my website - in the future, I 
hope to have all the EXIF data embedded in an XML file and shot up with 
the jpg, then converted to html when called by a web browser.  Oooh, I 
get shivers just thinking about it.  Very do-able, I just haven't gotten 
to it yet.


If I have to do it once, that's one thing.  If I have to do it twice, 
that calls for a script.  Programmers are lazy, that's why we're cool.


Best,

Wiggy

Herb Chong wrote:

free has certain advantages, but if you have to put in twice as much 
work, how much is your time worth?


Herb...
- Original Message - From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots


Works pretty well for me after I feed it to imagemagick, but hey, 
it's free.  Fr.  I like that part.










Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Mark, Frantisek ...

I recall reading about the minimum ~amount~ of chemistry suggested for full
development a few years ago, and have since developed pretty much all my
flim in larger tanks to get that additional amount - i.e., one roll in a
two reel tank, two in a four reel tank.  That got to be pretty unwieldy at
some point - I don't like using large tanks - so in order to develop
several rolls at a time I tried working with a few tanks simultaneously. 
Made for quite a sight, and it was also unwieldy in a different way.  Now I
just take my time ... no more than two rolls at a time.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 6/12/2005 7:52:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along
>
> A CC is a cubic centimeter - same as a milliliter. Cripes, I though only
us 
> Yanks were confused by the metric system!
>
> Here's a link to a discussion re the minimum amount of Rodinal needed:
>
> http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005EIh
>
> here's a quote from an Agfa rep:
>
> >
> in our technical data we mention that 500 ml concentrate of RODINAL will 
> last for 50 films (135-36). That means that you need 10 ml concentrate to 
> process 1 film. 




Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Mat Maessen
Woah, nasty decreasing radius on the first corner, but the second one
opens up nicely. :-)
Late apex on the first corner, little squirt of power, brake for the
second one, and get the power down through the apex of the second. I
can see the line...

-Mat

On 6/12/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out -
> 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
> The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
> track.
> 
> Comments of all kinds solicited.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
>



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Last year at GFM we drove up to the top of the mountain thru that S
curve.  It must be a 15-20% grade at the curve.  As we reached it, a
25 or 30 foot long delivery truck, not a van but a HEAVY truck with
dual rear wheels, was trying to make it up the grade.  We watched him
try to keep the truck on the road as he negotiated the turns.

When we got to the shop at the top of the mountain, he was delivering
ice cream bars!  I really couldn't believe that the guy made this trip
in that truck just to refill a 2 foot by 4 foot ice cream cooler in
the shop.  I was uncomfortable driving my van up and down the curve!

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > Check out -
> >
> > http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> >
> > Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
> > The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
> > track.
> >
> > Comments of all kinds solicited.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> 
> That sort of definesanScurve ok!  - I think I
> drove down that
> one with Wheatfield at the wheel and still have
> the ragged fingernails
> to prove it :)
> 
> pretty shot, Ken
> ann
> 
>



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Jun 2005 at 19:13, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Check out -
> 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
> The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
> track.

Cools shot, reminds me very much of some spots I drove in the French Alps, 
whilst my Porsche was at home in Oz :-(


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PESO: Pano from Milson's Pt

2005-06-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Jun 2005 at 12:20, Derby Chang wrote:

> Yes, I notice the blend around where the Opera House is could be better. 
> This frame was a bit tricky, because I didn't want to blow out the 
> details of the ferry wharf (which I did in any case), so the sky was 
> under-exposed. Might have to go back and take a couple, and do an HDR blend.
> 
> 
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/PDML_misc/milson.htm

It's a very difficult scene to expose, a pano constructed of HDR image would be 
ideal I guess, not a bad effort in any case. Any chance of seeing a detail 
section 1:1?

Whilst very recently in tour guide mode I made the following shot from the 
ferry wharf using *ist D, 31mm and a table top tripod. I had to lie down flat 
on the concrete to eliminate the piers so I smelt like bait afterwards, decent 
shot though, the 31mm earns its keep again :-)

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/temp/IMGP1356.jpg (it's a bit big 750kB)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
Subject: Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve





That sort of definesanScurve ok!  - I think I
drove down that
one with Wheatfield at the wheel and still have
the ragged fingernails
to prove it :)



Sorry.
I though you knew it's dry here and the roads are straight and flat.

William Robb



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Check out -
> 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
> The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
> track.
> 
> Comments of all kinds solicited.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kenneth Waller

That sort of definesanScurve ok!  - I think I
drove down that
one with Wheatfield at the wheel and still have
the ragged fingernails
to prove it :)

pretty shot, Ken
ann



Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Jon M" 
Subject: Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve



Yeowch... that'd be a fun curve to whip around. :) 


It's really fun in the rain.

William (my roads are straight and flat) Robb






Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"

Subject: Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along



About two years ago I came across a sealed bottle of Rodinal that I
purchased in 1967.  Gave it a try  it was just fine. No "rocks."


A few years ago, I was handed an unopened bottle of HC:110 that had to be 20 
years old.
Sadly, it had yellowed from oxidization through the plastic, but it was 
still potent.

Rodinal should last pretty much forever in a new sealed bottle.
I expect the rocks in question would have been a sulpher precipitate, which 
will form when the solution is stored cold.

It doesn't seem to hurt anything.

William Robb 





Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Mark Cassino
A CC is a cubic centimeter - same as a milliliter. Cripes, I though only us 
Yanks were confused by the metric system!


Here's a link to a discussion re the minimum amount of rodinal needed:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005EIh

here's a quote from an Agfa rep:



in our technical data we mention that 500 ml concentrate of RODINAL will 
last for 50 films (135-36). That means that you need 10 ml concentrate to 
process 1 film. It does not matter what the dilution is. Important is that 
you are using 10 ml concentrate. For example if you are processing with a 
dilution of 1+50 than you need 10 ml concentrate plus 500 ml water so that 
you will have in total 550 ml solution to process your film. Why is it 
important to take 10 ml because these 10 ml contain the amount of substances 
which will be used to process your film correctly and with reproducible 
results. It can be that you will get good results with less than 10 ml as 
mentioned in one answer but to be sure we recommend 10 ml. I hope this will 
answer your question. If you have further questions please do not hesitate 
to contact me.




My tanks take ~900 ml of fluid total.  So, at 1:100, I fall short of the 
required 10 ml (cc) required. Probably not a problem for 24 exposure rolls 
of 35mm film.


- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Frantisek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mark Cassino" 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along


MC> I have not had as much luck with Rodinal at 1:100 as with HC110.  I've 
heard
MC> that you need a minimum of 10 CC's of Rodinal per roll of film, no 
matter
MC> what the dilution level is. With my experiments with Rodinal at 1:100 
I used

MC> only 6 CC, so I may have shorted the mix too much.

That could have been the problem. I don't remember the exact number of
"raw" Rodinal per one film, but it should be listed in Agfa's
literature IIRC. And even if I remembered, I don't know what CC means
- ml for me ;-))

Good light!
  fra





Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
About two years ago I came across a sealed bottle of Rodinal that I
purchased in 1967.  Gave it a try  it was just fine. No "rocks."

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Frantisek 

> One thing I am curious about Rodinal and its copies...
>
> Ït's the shelf life. I have read that Rodinal in cold storage can keep
> for a long long time (they found some on the frozen lost expedition
> into Antartcica, after 100 years it still worked...). And that has
> been my experience as well, that it kept for long. But sometimes there
> form hard rocks or something inside... what is it?




Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
the "munchies" - now that's a term I haven't heard since the '60's. :-)
Watching the Mama's & Papa's special on PBS
Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interspersed
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bob Sullivan
> 
> > I can be more precise.  The entire bottom of the pipe disappears in
> > the shadow it creates.
> 
> As you've described it is pretty much as I want it.
> 
> 
> > The smoking end with it's smaller diameter is
> > entirely visible.
> 
> Indeed it is  (So far so good)  8-))
> 
> > The right edge of the bowl above and below the
> > elbow has no definition as it is in the black shadow.
> 
> Detail is there on all my screens and in all editing software, although
> some of the details and definition is quite subtle.
> 
> > I mention that this is how my laptop renders it because the laptop has
> > no brightness adjustment.  What you see is what you get, subject to
> > some adjustment of screen angle.
> 
> That tells me that you're using an LCD screen, not always the best choice
> for image work.
> 
> > I usually don't have any problems
> > with it and think that if you desired to evoke a dark, smoking den
> > mood that you could still do so with a bit more definition in the
> > pipe.
> 
> Well, I don't know what to say.  The image looks good here and it looks the
> way I want it to look.  I will recalibrate my monitor at some point in the
> not too distant future, and tomorrow I'll have a print made of the image
> and see how close it comes to what's on my screen.  In the past the lab has
> produced results that were VERY close to the image on the screen.  If
> there's a problem here, I'll find out about it soon enough.
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to describe what you're seeing.  I appreciate
> that very much.  And now it's time for a bowl of ice cream and a cookie.
> Working on that image has given me the "munchies."
> 
> > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html
> 
> 
>



PESO: Pano from Milson's Pt

2005-06-12 Thread Derby Chang


I know this view has been done millions of times. But I thought it would 
be a good test for the 6x7 I recently acquired. Boy, if I'm going to be 
scanning many more of these negs in, I am definitely going to have to 
beef up my rig. The full size of this pano is 18689x6327.


Love the camera. Didn't use the leaf shutter in these shots, so the 
normal mirror slap didn't seem to affect the sharpness that much.


And I discovered I DON'T like the Photomerge function in PS. It leaves 
these ugly diagonal blend lines. Much better to do it by hand and adjust 
channels.


Yes, I notice the blend around where the Opera House is could be better. 
This frame was a bit tricky, because I didn't want to blow out the 
details of the ferry wharf (which I did in any case), so the sky was 
under-exposed. Might have to go back and take a couple, and do an HDR blend.



http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/PDML_misc/milson.htm

D

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Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Jun 2005 at 19:15, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> >The quality is simply better.
> 
> Interesting comment.

Interesting indeed, somewhat understated given my experience.


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HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: OT: Sky Captain

2005-06-12 Thread Jim Apilado
Not sure about the history of the Argus.  My first Argus (and first 35mm
camera), was a C-3 I got in 1962.  It looked different from an earlier C-3
in the lens and the shutter tensioning lever.  Perhaps the producers
couldn't find a 1930's version of the camera.

Jim A.

> From: Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:57:00 -0400
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: OT: Sky Captain
> Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:53:16 -0400
> 
> It's my new diversion (Sunday afternoon vegetable state) movie.
> Used to be Galaxy Quest.  (Now I just love Polly's
> blonde hair & red lipstick.  But I digress...)
> Her camera in the movie, looks like an Argus model.
> But it the movie is set in 1938 and the camera looks like a
> post WWII model.  Can anyone here ascertain that?
> 
> Collin
> 
> 
> 



RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm

2005-06-12 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Jens
V e r y lovely pictures and poses.
It's blond, it's a Bladt? ;-)
greetings
Markus


>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:24 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm
>>
>>
>>I'm quite pleased with the sharpness of this inexpensive lens - even at
>>moderat aperture values:
>>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215746.html
>>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215765.html
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Jens Bladt
>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>>
>>
>>-Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sendt: 10. juni 2005 14:30
>>Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Emne: Enabled - F 24-50mm
>>
>>
>>Today my Pentax-F 4/24-50mm arrived all the way from California.
>>It's in mint condition and truely nice and it seems to perform very well.
>>It's very good for the reasonable price tag of 201,50 USD + shiopping and
>>taxes.
>>I'm really looking forward to using this lens as my walk around lens. It's
>>very small and and not heavy, compared to my Tokina 2.6-2.8/28-70mm. I
>>really like the performance and portability of Pentax-F lenses! They look
>>toyish, but are actually well built - in fact better than the
>>early consumer
>>FA-zooms, I believe. When or if I vever get rich, I might swop it for a
>>20-35mm.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>Jens Bladt
>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>>
>>
>>




Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Herb Chong
free has certain advantages, but if you have to put in twice as much work, 
how much is your time worth?


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots


Works pretty well for me after I feed it to imagemagick, but hey, it's 
free.  Fr.  I like that part.





Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Wigwam Jones
Works pretty well for me after I feed it to imagemagick, but hey, it's 
free.  Fr.  I like that part.


Herb Chong wrote:

DCRAW doesn't seem to do the linearization correctly. it's not bad, 
but it's not great.


Herb...
- Original Message - From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots


I downloaded 'dcraw' which is a batch command-line converter, it 
seems to work well.  This is also available for free in MS-DOS format 
in various places on the web - it is free software.










Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Jon M
Yeowch... that'd be a fun curve to whip around. :) 

--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow! What a location. Roll film!!
> Paul
> On Jun 12, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> > Check out -
> >
> >
>
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> >
> > Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend
> sometime between rain 
> > drops.
> > The best example of its kind I've ever personally
> seen outside of a 
> > race
> > track.
> >
> > Comments of all kinds solicited.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> >
> 
> 




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Re: PESO -- The Gang

2005-06-12 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: PESO -- The Gang




He seemed to be the leader and spokesdog.


He would certainly be the toughest of the three..

William Robb



Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Herb Chong
DCRAW doesn't seem to do the linearization correctly. it's not bad, but it's 
not great.


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: First *ist Ds shots


I downloaded 'dcraw' which is a batch command-line converter, it seems to 
work well.  This is also available for free in MS-DOS format in various 
places on the web - it is free software.





Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Wigwam Jones
The quality *is* better in RAW format on the *ist DS than in the highest 
quality JPG format.  And it *is* a PITA, I'm afraid.  Being a Linux user 
myself, that makes it double-hard - I can't use the software Pentax 
supplied with my camera.


I downloaded 'dcraw' which is a batch command-line converter, it seems 
to work well.  This is also available for free in MS-DOS format in 
various places on the web - it is free software.


Also, for those into Perl programming...you can download 'exiftool' from 
the cpan.org archive.  This is a stand-alone perl program that extracts 
all the lovely EXIF header info from Pentax RAW files - you can save 
them to text files, embed them in converted tif or jpg files, etc.


One last thing - this I am not sure anybody else knows yet.  The Pentax 
PEF (RAW) format file DOES contain an embedded JPG file.  exiftool has a 
switch to extract CANON embedded jpg files from their raw format - it 
works for PEF files too.  I've read a few reviews of the *ist DS that 
bemoan the fact that you can't select through the menu a way to save 
each shot as both PEF and JPG - well, it does it, it just doesn't tell 
you about it.  I don't know if any tool other than exiftool can extract 
it, though.


I tested some M42 lenses today with my Franken-Pentax *ist DS.  Here's 
the wide-open shots (playing wth bokeh):


http://www.cameramentor.com/images/m42_50mm_primes/

Best,

Wiggy

Kenneth Waller wrote:


The quality is simply better.
   



Interesting comment.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: First *ist Ds shots


 


Congrats, Bob.
You realy should try out shooting RAW.
I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
   


a
 


PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
   


or
 


what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
   


which
 


is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
SE, of course.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: First *ist Ds shots


I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg

This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.

Also captured this trio...

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg

All three are as they came out of the camera.
The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
full size image.

I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
no slide image here!

I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?

Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.

Regards,  Bob S.


   





 





Re: PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Paul Stenquist

Wow! What a location. Roll film!!
Paul
On Jun 12, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain 
drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a 
race

track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller





Re: 1/16" metal balls

2005-06-12 Thread keithw

Joaquim Carvalho wrote:


Anyone knows of a source for 1/16 inch metal balls?
(an A 50mm lens I bought on Ebay is missing 2)


I might have a couple. I'll report back tonight or tomorrow, early.

If so, all I need is an address!

keith whaley

P.S. are they exactly .0625" diameter?
   I'll go out and measure mine now...



1/16" metal balls

2005-06-12 Thread Joaquim Carvalho

Anyone knows of a source for 1/16 inch metal balls?
(an A 50mm lens I bought on Ebay is missing 2)



Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
One thing I am curious about Rodinal and its copies...

Ït's the shelf life. I have read that Rodinal in cold storage can keep
for a long long time (they found some on the frozen lost expedition
into Antartcica, after 100 years it still worked...). And that has
been my experience as well, that it kept for long. But sometimes there
form hard rocks or something inside... what is it?

Just now, I developed few test rolls with one Rodinal copy that was
about 15 years outdated. And it came out completely clear, undeveloped
(not even edge markings). Needless to say I wasn't excepting much, and
I didn't even check the basicity/acidity of the Rodinal. And it was
full of the "rocks". Is there anything to do with them? I have several
_litres_ of that old one, and it would be a shame to just throw it
away.

I then tried to put a piece of film in the old one, but diluted very
little, just poured some of it into a measuring cylinder with 1:1
water or so, and put film into it in full "daylight". Sure, it
blackened soon enough. So it still has some strength. But I guess not
so much...

Good light!
   fra




Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
>The quality is simply better.

Interesting comment.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: First *ist Ds shots


> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
>
>
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
>
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
>
> Also captured this trio...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
>
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
>
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
>
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>



PAW: GFM "S" Curve

2005-06-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
Check out -

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken during the Nature Photography Weekend sometime between rain drops.
The best example of its kind I've ever personally seen outside of a race
track.

Comments of all kinds solicited.

Thanks in advance.

Kenneth Waller



Re: MX Screen in Z1 (and vice versa?)

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek

Sunday, June 12, 2005, 8:41:02 PM, Thibouille wrote:
T> Strange as things did fit quite nicely here.

I may be mistaken about the MX screen. I remember I had problems
fitting one of the older screens into a newer camera, SFXn. The older
screen might have been MX, or it might have been LX. I guess probably
LX... I even might have the posts with exact dimensions archived. But
it's been a while, the whole Pentax Digital Mailing List revolution
made the list not so much interested in fine trivia of film bodies...

T> Agree about MZ-M but I'd have to pay for it.
T> MX screen was for free :D LOL

:-)

Good.

Frantisek



Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
MC> I have not had as much luck with Rodinal at 1:100 as with HC110.  I've heard
MC> that you need a minimum of 10 CC's of Rodinal per roll of film, no matter
MC> what the dilution level is. With my experiments with Rodinal at 1:100 I used
MC> only 6 CC, so I may have shorted the mix too much.

That could have been the problem. I don't remember the exact number of
"raw" Rodinal per one film, but it should be listed in Agfa's
literature IIRC. And even if I remembered, I don't know what CC means
- ml for me ;-))

Good light!
   fra



Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/rawconverters/rawconverters.htm

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
> discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
> conversion.  




RE: Enabled - F 24-50mm

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
I'm quite pleased with the sharpness of this inexpensive lens - even at
moderat aperture values:
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215746.html
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p16215765.html

Regards

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 10. juni 2005 14:30
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Enabled - F 24-50mm


Today my Pentax-F 4/24-50mm arrived all the way from California.
It's in mint condition and truely nice and it seems to perform very well.
It's very good for the reasonable price tag of 201,50 USD + shiopping and
taxes.
I'm really looking forward to using this lens as my walk around lens. It's
very small and and not heavy, compared to my Tokina 2.6-2.8/28-70mm. I
really like the performance and portability of Pentax-F lenses! They look
toyish, but are actually well built - in fact better than the early consumer
FA-zooms, I believe. When or if I vever get rich, I might swop it for a
20-35mm.


Regards
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt




Re: eBay funnies

2005-06-12 Thread Peter Belak
I am pretty sure I was buying from this seller. That was bad luck..
instead of mint SMC 70-210 I got non-SMC 70-200 full of fungus and
elements separation.
I got my money back after 5 weeks, but that was waste of time and energy..

Regards

Peter Belak

On 6/11/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoted directly from an e-bay auction...
> 
> PENTAX SMC AF ZOOM 35-70MM F2.8 AUTO FOCUS LENS.WITH FRONT AND REAR
> CAPS,FUNGUS IN LENS AND NOT WORKING WHEN TESTED, WITH CASE. DONT MISS
> THIS ONE!
> 
> At least it's truth in advertising...
> 
> --
> A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
> --Groucho Marx
> 
>



Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Interspersed

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> I can be more precise.  The entire bottom of the pipe disappears in
> the shadow it creates.  

As you've described it is pretty much as I want it.


> The smoking end with it's smaller diameter is
> entirely visible.  

Indeed it is  (So far so good)  8-))

> The right edge of the bowl above and below the
> elbow has no definition as it is in the black shadow.

Detail is there on all my screens and in all editing software, although
some of the details and definition is quite subtle. 

> I mention that this is how my laptop renders it because the laptop has
> no brightness adjustment.  What you see is what you get, subject to
> some adjustment of screen angle.  

That tells me that you're using an LCD screen, not always the best choice
for image work.

> I usually don't have any problems
> with it and think that if you desired to evoke a dark, smoking den
> mood that you could still do so with a bit more definition in the
> pipe.

Well, I don't know what to say.  The image looks good here and it looks the
way I want it to look.  I will recalibrate my monitor at some point in the
not too distant future, and tomorrow I'll have a print made of the image
and see how close it comes to what's on my screen.  In the past the lab has
produced results that were VERY close to the image on the screen.  If
there's a problem here, I'll find out about it soon enough.

Thanks for taking the time to describe what you're seeing.  I appreciate
that very much.  And now it's time for a bowl of ice cream and a cookie. 
Working on that image has given me the "munchies."

> > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html




SV: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juni 2005 23:25
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: First *ist Ds shots


Jens,

Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?  I
remember comments that the *ist D sensor was the same as Canon or
Nikon, but the results were not as appealing.  I thought Dario was the
first to mention this.  In any case, I am looking for how to get
around this with a RAW converter from somebody else.  That or maybe
one of you with more experience will tell me Pentax has it all fixed.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
>
>
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
>
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
>
> Also captured this trio...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
>
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
>
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
>
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>




RE: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
I believe the critical thread about the raw files was about the Pentax
SOFTWARE, that comes with the camera.
The PEF files are fine. Take a look at these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/443442/
all shot in PEF foramt, converted it Capture One LE and edited in Photoshop
CS.

PS: I have made it a habit to underexpose (-0.3) all the time - to prevent
burned out high lights - the curse of digital photography IMO :-) If you
shoot RAW it's possible to change exposure and WB, without quality loss,
later.
Regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juni 2005 23:25
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: First *ist Ds shots


Jens,

Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?  I
remember comments that the *ist D sensor was the same as Canon or
Nikon, but the results were not as appealing.  I thought Dario was the
first to mention this.  In any case, I am looking for how to get
around this with a RAW converter from somebody else.  That or maybe
one of you with more experience will tell me Pentax has it all fixed.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is
a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs
or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE),
which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
>
>
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
>
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
>
> Also captured this trio...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
>
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
>
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
>
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>




Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bob ...

I recently uploaded details on a comparison of four RAW converters and the
consensus (here at least), iirc, was that the Adobe RAW Converter was the
best option.  However, it's only available in PS CS2 (which seems to
something of a problem laden release according to the Photoshop
User-to-User forum discussions) or Photoshop Elements 3.0 and later.  You
can get some good deals on Elements if you look around, and a free 30-day
trial is available for download from Adobe.  If I were sitting where you
are, I'd grab Elements and take it for a spin.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
> discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
> conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?  I
> remember comments that the *ist D sensor was the same as Canon or
> Nikon, but the results were not as appealing.  I thought Dario was the
> first to mention this.  In any case, I am looking for how to get
> around this with a RAW converter from somebody else.  That or maybe
> one of you with more experience will tell me Pentax has it all fixed.




Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
The Pentax RAW converter is still not a good way to go. The PhotoShop 
CS converter is very good, and reportedly the PS CS 2 converter is even 
better. Of course PhotoShop is a pricey solution. But PhotoShop 
Elements includes most of the converter functions and is relatively 
inexpensive.

Paul
On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Jens,

Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?  I
remember comments that the *ist D sensor was the same as Canon or
Nikon, but the results were not as appealing.  I thought Dario was the
first to mention this.  In any case, I am looking for how to get
around this with a RAW converter from somebody else.  That or maybe
one of you with more experience will tell me Pentax has it all fixed.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Congrats, Bob.
You realy should try out shooting RAW.
I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the 
card is a

PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My 
rather
cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as 
JPEGs or
what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to 
get a
proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One 
(LE), which
is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase 
One

SE, of course.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: First *ist Ds shots


I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg

This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.

Also captured this trio...

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg

All three are as they came out of the camera.
The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they 
came.

The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
full size image.

I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
no slide image here!

I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?

Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.

Regards,  Bob S.









Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Mark Cassino

Hi Shel -

I've mostly worked with high dilutions of HC110.  I had the process worked 
out very well with Classic Pan 200, and in that case I rated the film a full 
stop slower than the nominal ISO of 200 and used a moderately dilute mixture 
of HC110 and very low agitation.  However, I'm not sure if that really is an 
ISO 200 film, it looked to me to be more like ISO 160 or 125.


Virtually all of my B&W shooting is in the 120 format, and I use a hand held 
spot meter and the 6x7 camera. I think 1/2 stop precision is about as good 
as you can get with the camera - the shutter speed settings are in full 
stops, most of the lenses let you set to the half stop (in theory the 
aperture can be set in 1/4 stops by setting between clicks - I really don't 
know how accurate that is though.)


So - I come up with what the meter suggests as the appropriate exposure, if 
that falls between the exposure settings of the camera (usually does) I go 
to the nearest setting that overexposes over the meter reading.  Then I 
bracket up and down a full stop if exposure is critical. Between the 
uncertainties of metering, the imprecision of camera, and the added vagaries 
of filters and filter-factors vis-a-vis different film's spectral 
sensitivities - I don't think a 1/2 to 1/3rd stop adjustment in exposure is 
something that can be done reliably with this setup in natural light.  It 
would be a different scenario working in a studio with controlled lighting.


I always set the exposure meter to what I believe the true ISO of the film 
is - and for APX 100 I take that to be 100.  Then I make a deliberate 
decision to expose either at that setting or slightly over.


The theory behind the high dilution developer / low agitation is that the 
developer is locally exhausted in the areas of high density, so development 
stops. The less dense areas of the neg exhaust the developer more slowly, so 
the development continues, and this bring out the shadow detail while not 
blowing out the highlights. So, it does make sense that some degree of 
overexposure would compliment the process.


I have not had as much luck with Rodinal at 1:100 as with HC110.  I've heard 
that you need a minimum of 10 CC's of Rodinal per roll of film, no matter 
what the dilution level is. With my experiments with Rodinal at 1:100 I used 
only 6 CC, so I may have shorted the mix too much.


HC110 is very high energy, and the minimum per 36 exposure 35mm film, or 120 
roll (surface area is about the same) is something like 3 cc.  I've always 
used more than that, and being over that critical absolute volume threshold 
may be why it has worked better for me.


HTH -

MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along



Hi Mark ...

I'm not sure if I have another copy of "The Negative" here.  I sold a copy
to Boris last year.  Anyway, the area is filled with book stores, so it'll
be easy enough to check his comments.

When you use high dilutions of Rodinal, or the water bath system with APX
100, do you compensate at all with your exposure?  Generally I've given
anywhere between 2/3 and a stop of additional exposure when using Rodinal
1:100, which is what Agfa suggested, but that was with APX 25.

As for R09, I figure I'll wait a little with that, and use some of the
regular, contemporary Rodinal first, as it's already in stock at Casa
Belinkoff, and that way I'd have a point of comparison.

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Mark Cassino



You might want to check out pages 226 and 229 in Adam's _The Negative_.

He

discusses using very dilute HC110 (1:119) with very minimal agitation (15
seconds every 3 minutes.)  I did a lot of my development with Classic Pan
using a similar approach and liked the results.

Earlier today I tried the "water-bath" process that Adams describes,

using

APX 100.  He cautions that it is not as effective with thin emulsion

films,

and I can't say that the result I got was much different than just a high
dilution / low agitation approach to developing, but the negs came out

with

excellent shadow detail in a very high contrast scene - so it did seem to
work.

I've found HC110, diluted 1:100, works great with APX - 14 minutes @ 20C.

I

stumbled into that somewhere on the internet - it's the only time I've

seen

HC 110 used at 1:100, but it works well with gentle, one per minute
agitation.

I'd be interested to hear your impressions of R09 if you give it a try.

Good luck!

- MCC

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Getting That Old Fas

Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jens,

Thanks, I am going to try RAW, but I have a vague memory of some
discussion threads here that were critical of the Pentax RAW
conversion.  Wasn't John Francis even working on his own software?  I
remember comments that the *ist D sensor was the same as Canon or
Nikon, but the results were not as appealing.  I thought Dario was the
first to mention this.  In any case, I am looking for how to get
around this with a RAW converter from somebody else.  That or maybe
one of you with more experience will tell me Pentax has it all fixed.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Congrats, Bob.
> You realy should try out shooting RAW.
> I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
> I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is a
> PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
> The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
> cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs or
> what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
> proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE), which
> is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
> SE, of course.
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: First *ist Ds shots
> 
> 
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
> 
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
> 
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
> 
> Also captured this trio...
> 
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
> 
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
> full size image.
> 
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
> to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
> no slide image here!
> 
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
> Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
> 
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> 
>



Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Shel,
I can be more precise.  The entire bottom of the pipe disappears in
the shadow it creates.  The smoking end with it's smaller diameter is
entirely visible.  The right edge of the bowl above and below the
elbow has no definition as it is in the black shadow.
I mention that this is how my laptop renders it because the laptop has
no brightness adjustment.  What you see is what you get, subject to
some adjustment of screen angle.  I usually don't have any problems
with it and think that if you desired to evoke a dark, smoking den
mood that you could still do so with a bit more definition in the
pipe.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's supposed to be dark, detail in some of the shadows should be
> non-existent, highlights should be subtle.  Of course, not seeing what you
> see, I have no way of knowing if you're seeing the pic as it's meant to be
> seen.  I've looked at it on two monitors here, and through four different
> viewers, and all look dark, rich, and full of detail where detail was
> desired.I effin' HATE the web for displaying pics!!!
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: P. J. Alling
> 
> > It looks a bit dark on my monitor.  Very rich textures but hard to see
> > the detail.
> >
> > Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> >
> > >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html
> 
> 
>



OT: Sky Captain

2005-06-12 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl

It's my new diversion (Sunday afternoon vegetable state) movie.
Used to be Galaxy Quest.  (Now I just love Polly's
blonde hair & red lipstick.  But I digress...)
Her camera in the movie, looks like an Argus model.
But it the movie is set in 1938 and the camera looks like a
post WWII model.  Can anyone here ascertain that?

Collin





Re: Professional Courtesy

2005-06-12 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Boris Liberman wrote:

There is a word in Hebrew that sounds exactly this - "interesant" - I 
hope its meaning is self-evident. Our age is that of interesants, 
nothing more, nothing less...



In English, the first word that comes to my mind to describe your 
coworker is "jackass" -- however, there are many other words also 
available that I might also think of, given some more time.

You do have my sympathy.

ERNR




RE: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Jens Bladt
Congrats, Bob.
You realy should try out shooting RAW.
I do it all the time now. The quality is simply better.
I am a D-user, so the time it takes to write the images on to the card is a
PITA. I guess the DS works faster.
The PEF (RAW) files can be handled by various kinds of software. My rather
cheap image database software; ACDC can open them and save them as JPEGs or
what ever. However, to make the best of RAW files, you might wnat to get a
proper RAW converter that does batch conversion - like Phase One (LE), which
is not too expensive and very good (the best I believ - next to Phase One
SE, of course.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juni 2005 17:28
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: First *ist Ds shots


I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg

This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.

Also captured this trio...

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg

All three are as they came out of the camera.
The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
full size image.

I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
no slide image here!

I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?

Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.

Regards,  Bob S.




RE: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Bob W
Just what you'd want for a Three-Pipe Problem. 

Three of those, no more problem.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 12 June 2005 20:20
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe
> 
> Shel,
> Evokes a somber, rather 'dark' mood. 
> To enjoy rich wood grains and allow the play of object 
> shadows to be a part of a reaction, it needs more definition. 
> The peace of a quiet darkened study heavy with the aroma of 
> exotic tobaccos, is easily conveyed.



Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It's supposed to be dark, detail in some of the shadows should be
non-existent, highlights should be subtle.  Of course, not seeing what you
see, I have no way of knowing if you're seeing the pic as it's meant to be
seen.  I've looked at it on two monitors here, and through four different
viewers, and all look dark, rich, and full of detail where detail was
desired.I effin' HATE the web for displaying pics!!!

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling 

> It looks a bit dark on my monitor.  Very rich textures but hard to see 
> the detail.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html




Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread John Forbes
I'd accept a slight fall-off in quality - say equivalent to the quality of  
800 ISO, which is pretty good.  But I take the point that if you lower the  
native speed you will also lower the quality acvhievable at higher speeds,  
and that is not a trade-off the majority would wish to make.


It would be nice if they made a chip that could have any sensitivity you  
wanted (at best quality) just by regulating the working voltage.


John

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:04:00 +0100, Paul Stenquist  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Good point. I have no problem focusing manually with a 4XND, and my DA  
16-45 autofocuses nicely with that filter as well. 200 is a good number  
for native speed. It's about where most wold prefer to optimize quality.

On Jun 12, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
once you go below the native speed.

So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
one.

-- Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, June 12, 2005, 8:29:14 AM, you wrote:

SB> I'd agree with John here in terms of using a filter.  Adding and  
removing
SB> filters throughout a day of shooting can be a bit of a PITA, and  
digi is
SB> supposed to make things easier for the photog.  It would be great  
to have a
SB> 50 ISO setting - even 100 would be an improvement. As I've said  
about film,

SB> lower speeds means wider apertures and more creative opportunities.

SB> Shel



[Original Message]
From: John Forbes



As William said, why put a filter on a lens if you don't have to?



- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?



Why would you want ISO 50 sensitivity? At 200, noise is virtually
unnoticable, and ND filters can be used when slower shutter speeds  
are



required.


I can understand it. I like limited DOF, but tossing an ND filter on

SB> can

really bugger up AF, and these things don't have the best viewfinders
for manual focus.
It's not high on my list of wants, but it would be nice to have.

William Robb














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Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Shel,
Evokes a somber, rather 'dark' mood. 
To enjoy rich wood grains and allow the play of object
shadows to be a part of a reaction, it needs more
definition. 
The peace of a quiet darkened study heavy with the
aroma of exotic tobaccos, is easily conveyed.

Jack


--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html
> 
> A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this
> morning.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> 




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Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It's supposed to be dark, but not seeing your laptop image, I can't comment
on whether you're seeing it as it's meant to be seen or otherwise.

It is, indeed, a ceremonial pipe which came originally from San Francisco
and which was used frequently in many rituals over the years.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan

> Nice composition, but very dark on my laptop.
> I note the pipe has a very unusual shape, and no traditional stem.
> Does this mean it is a ceremonial pipe of some sort native to Berkley?
>
> On 6/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html
> > 
> > A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.




Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread P. J. Alling

Or something like that...

Bob Sullivan wrote:


Shel,
Nice composition, but very dark on my laptop.
I note the pipe has a very unusual shape, and no traditional stem.
Does this mean it is a ceremonial pipe of some sort native to Berkley?
Regards,  Bob S.  


On 6/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html

A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.




Shel



   




 




--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
--Groucho Marx



Re: MX Screen in Z1 (and vice versa?)

2005-06-12 Thread Thibouille
Strange as things did fit quite nicely here.

Agree about MZ-M but I'd have to pay for it.
MX screen was for free :D LOL

That said, MZ-M itself from Ebay would probably cost the same as a new screen..
Excellent idea, thanks Frantisek !!

2005/6/12, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You know, you can buy MZ-M screen as repair part. It fits other
> cameras perfectly, unlike the LX (and maybe even MX?) screens. Maybe
> it was just LX screens, but these didn't fit into any other cameras
> (except into MX, but tightly).
> 
> Good light!
>fra
> 
> 


-- 
--
Thibouille
--
*ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX and KR-10x ...



Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread P. J. Alling
It looks a bit dark on my monitor.  Very rich textures but hard to see 
the detail.


Shel Belinkoff wrote:


http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html

A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.




Shel 




 




--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
--Groucho Marx



Re: PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Shel,
Nice composition, but very dark on my laptop.
I note the pipe has a very unusual shape, and no traditional stem.
Does this mean it is a ceremonial pipe of some sort native to Berkley?
Regards,  Bob S.  

On 6/12/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html
> 
> A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
>



Re: Weird vignetting effect on an image

2005-06-12 Thread Paul Stenquist

Probably your hand or the camera strap.

On Jun 12, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

I was messing around shooting my cousin at close range using the 
Tamron 90mm
macro, and I got this weird black blur in the lower right edge of the 
image:


http://www.sunny16.net/jennie-test.htm

I posted the image that came after that that lacks this blur. The blur 
is
only visible in that top photo, which was in the middle of a series. 
Does
anyone have any idea what could cause that? Cousin and I were sitting 
in the

same position the whole time, I never removed the lens, etc.

Thanks in advance,
Amita






Re: Weird vignetting effect on an image

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
How about a finger in front of the lens?Bob S.


On 6/12/05, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was messing around shooting my cousin at close range using the Tamron 90mm
> macro, and I got this weird black blur in the lower right edge of the image:
> 
> http://www.sunny16.net/jennie-test.htm
> 
> I posted the image that came after that that lacks this blur. The blur is
> only visible in that top photo, which was in the middle of a series. Does
> anyone have any idea what could cause that? Cousin and I were sitting in the
> same position the whole time, I never removed the lens, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Amita
> 
> 
>



Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good point. I have no problem focusing manually with a 4XND, and my DA 
16-45 autofocuses nicely with that filter as well. 200 is a good number 
for native speed. It's about where most wold prefer to optimize 
quality.

On Jun 12, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
once you go below the native speed.

So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
one.

--
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, June 12, 2005, 8:29:14 AM, you wrote:

SB> I'd agree with John here in terms of using a filter.  Adding and 
removing
SB> filters throughout a day of shooting can be a bit of a PITA, and 
digi is
SB> supposed to make things easier for the photog.  It would be great 
to have a
SB> 50 ISO setting - even 100 would be an improvement. As I've said 
about film,

SB> lower speeds means wider apertures and more creative opportunities.

SB> Shel



[Original Message]
From: John Forbes



As William said, why put a filter on a lens if you don't have to?



- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?



Why would you want ISO 50 sensitivity? At 200, noise is virtually
unnoticable, and ND filters can be used when slower shutter speeds 
are



required.


I can understand it. I like limited DOF, but tossing an ND filter on

SB> can
really bugger up AF, and these things don't have the best 
viewfinders

for manual focus.
It's not high on my list of wants, but it would be nice to have.

William Robb








Re: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Bob W.,
I can't claim any steadyness records like Paul with the 400mm.
I've got to practice more with this fast feedback from a digital.
The Morton Arboretum where the photos were taken is a few miles away.
Mr. Morton had his home there and was one of the industrial magnets of
the past century.  Morton Salt is still the table salt in our grocery
stores, and Morton-Thiocaull does our rocket boosters.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/12/05, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those are very enjoyable photos, well taken. I know how difficult it is to
> use a 400 lens with 1.4X and 2X converters; I guess the difficulties with
> the small sensor must be similar.
> 
> You obviously live in a very nice place, too.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 12 June 2005 16:28
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: First *ist Ds shots
> >
> > I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> > Put the A400/5.6 on the camera.
> > Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> > Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
> >
> > This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
> >
> > Also captured this trio...
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> > http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> > http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
> >
> > All three are as they came out of the camera.
> > The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> > The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as
> > they came.
> > The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to
> > show the full size image.
> >
> > I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my
> > habit is to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the
> > slide image...but no slide image here!
> >
> > I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something
> > like Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
> >
> > Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
> >
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>



Weird vignetting effect on an image

2005-06-12 Thread Amita Guha
I was messing around shooting my cousin at close range using the Tamron 90mm
macro, and I got this weird black blur in the lower right edge of the image:

http://www.sunny16.net/jennie-test.htm

I posted the image that came after that that lacks this blur. The blur is
only visible in that top photo, which was in the middle of a series. Does
anyone have any idea what could cause that? Cousin and I were sitting in the
same position the whole time, I never removed the lens, etc. 

Thanks in advance,
Amita




Re: Professional Courtesy

2005-06-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Rethinking ...
>Even if the young pro thought the request was out of place
>there is little place for such rudeness.

Mr. Nail meet Mr. Hammer.

(Right on the head.)

Bravo Collin!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Professional Courtesy

2005-06-12 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl

Rethinking ...
Even if the young pro though the request was out of place
there is little place for such rudeness.  Thinking back, some
of the people whom I remember most fondly are those who
showed me grace when I spoke or behaved in a very stupid or
thoughtless manner.  Grace goes a long way to resolve issues.

Collin





PAW PESO - My Old Pipe

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/oldpipe.html

A little Quik-Snap made with the Sony DSC-S85 this morning.




Shel 




Re: Minor *ist D Surgery

2005-06-12 Thread Thibouille
No it fits
In mine at least ...

2005/6/12, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Not possible, IIRC. MX/LX screens are incompatible with AF cameras
> (because they are slightly larger), but the slightly smaller screen of
> AF cameras fits right in MX/LX. Thus only one-way.
> 
> Good light!
>fra
> 
> 


-- 
--
Thibouille
--
*ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX and KR-10x ...



Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Blakely
The *ist D is still for sale on the Japan site. Here's the production 
strategy for many companies:


1.Tool up for new production, product 1.
2.Start  limited production. No sales yet.
3.Check quality, production flow etc.
4.Tweak production.
5.Start production & sales:
   a.Production behind current demand.Many customers wait.
   b.Production matches current demand. Some customers still wait due 
to backlog, but for shorter time.
   c.Production exceeds current demand. No customer wait, remaining 
back orders filled.
   d.Production exceeds current demand until inventory meets projected 
*future* demand

  (cameras for sale & spare parts). No customer wait.
6.Production of product 1 terminated. Tooling stored against future 
repair demand (spare parts)

  Sales continue. Customers still order, no wait.

7.Back to step 1 for product 2...

Sales stop for product 1 when the inventory left is needed for 
warranty/repairs. Can be tooled up again in the happy event that the product 
is a great hit and the demand far exceeds the original projected demand - 
usually with some tweaks (update to the original design) added from perhaps 
lessons learned ala the LX production.


This way, a company can have more products than it has assembly facilities 
and need not attempt to adjust pace of production to changing demand.


In other words, because a model goes "out of (current) production" does not 
mean it's not available or not a current product from the manufacturer.


Regards,
Bob...
-
"The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose
as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers
with the smallest possible amount of hissing."
- Jean-Baptiste Colbert,
  minister of finance to French King Louis XIV

From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Hmmm ... what would be the reason for Pentax discontinuing or curtailing
production of the istD?  I think this may have been discussed before, but 
I
wasn't paying attention, not being too interested in the camera at the 
time.


Shel



[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist



I think Pentax may have stopped producing the *istD. It's available new
from B&H in New York.




Re: Getting That Old Fashioned Glow - Coming Along

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
SB> When you use high dilutions of Rodinal, or the water bath system with APX
SB> 100, do you compensate at all with your exposure?  Generally I've given
SB> anywhere between 2/3 and a stop of additional exposure when using Rodinal
SB> 1:100, which is what Agfa suggested, but that was with APX 25.

I have found out it depends a lot on the film. Some just don't like
1+100, and need to be shot at slower speed. Some work almost fine. I don't
have my notes here sadly so can't tell more :(

Frantisek



Re: Professional Courtesy

2005-06-12 Thread Christopher Oliver
  I can easily see two side in this case.  As others have mentioned, the
photographer and hosting club may have entered into an exclusive contract;
she may have seen this as taking money out of her purse, and she may indeed
be carrying a heavy debt.  This would justify a refusal, but on the other
hand, there she can still be tactful about it.  It sounds as though she
was rude in how she turned you down, and that strikes me as unprofessional.

  I got bitten by the other side of this a while back.  I was offered an
opportunity to shoot at an agility trial by the head organizer who knew I
shot seriously, and though I understood that I wasn't functioning as the
photographer-of-record, I was intending to submit shots to "Clean Run" as a
way of establishing some credibility with a broader audience.  I had in-
vested in an fast tele prime to use along with my 80-200/2.8.  This same
organizer later left me a message that I could shoot only for my own photo
album for contract reasons, but not for sale; though she did not specific-
ally state this, the prohibition would exclude any photo in the magazine
since they pay though not that much.  At this point, this organizer is on
my permanent s--- list.

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  Inside every good dog is a terrier trying to get out.



Re: MX Screen in Z1 (and vice versa?)

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
You know, you can buy MZ-M screen as repair part. It fits other
cameras perfectly, unlike the LX (and maybe even MX?) screens. Maybe
it was just LX screens, but these didn't fit into any other cameras
(except into MX, but tightly).



Good light!
   fra



Re: Minor *ist D Surgery

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
Not possible, IIRC. MX/LX screens are incompatible with AF cameras
(because they are slightly larger), but the slightly smaller screen of
AF cameras fits right in MX/LX. Thus only one-way.

Good light!
   fra



Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Frantisek
All sensors have one "native" iso speed. You can "push" it to higher
EI but you get more noise and less dynamic range. Withing a range of
EI though the difference is small. You can't "pull" it though, because
the highlights will get blown out. (At least without
some magickry like combining many superfast exposures like Kodak DSLR
does at ISO 6 - yes iso six).

Basically, the Sony sensor has native speed of 200 and the Canon
sensor has native speed of 100. Thus the Canon models have iso 100 as
the lowest, while the models using sony's chip have iso 200 as the
lowest.

Yes, there is "EI 50" setting at some Canons, but it is out of the
normal range, and it is actually _worse_ than the lowest native 100.
It's about the same as shooting at 100, overexposing one stop and
cutting back in the "development" of RAW processing. Gaining you
nothing.

thus, don't look for low isos. It ain't gonna happen soon. There are
low iso chips, but they don't have high sensitivity for pushing... The
medium format chips who have even iso 25 as their native are pretty
noisy at iso 400...

Good light!
   fra



Re: PESO: Cold & Forlorn

2005-06-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:17:55 +0800, David Savage wrote:

> I was shooting pretty much straight into the sun (which I cropped
> out), so,  as Jack Davis suggested It's not over sharpening, but back
> light haloing that your seeing. Down sizing for the web is maybe
> making it look as though it's over sharpened.

Personally, David, I really like the shot.  I just assumed that the
"halo" was a sort of "hair light" effect from the sun.  I feel like it
makes the subject stand out from the background, and it helps draw my
eye to the subject.  All in all, one of the better bird-and-scenery
shots I've seen lately.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Herb Chong
we accept lower quality for ISO 1600 and 3200. the Canon 1Ds Mk2 is 
noticeably worse at ISO 50 than 100.


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Shel Belinkoff" 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?



The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
once you go below the native speed.

So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
one.





Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Graywolf

How about a ND over the sensor?

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Bruce Dayton wrote:

The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
once you go below the native speed.

So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
one.




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Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I don't think I knew that.  I suppose the amount of lower quality would be
a determining factor. istD users are always saying how good the quality is
at higher ISO ratings, so how bad could things get if the rating was lower?
Don't other cameras besides Minolta offer lower ISO speeds?  Maybe a trip
through DPreview is in order.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
> If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
> Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
> basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
> at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
> gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
> once you go below the native speed.
>
> So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
> quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
> it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
> one.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Sunday, June 12, 2005, 8:29:14 AM, you wrote:
>
> SB> I'd agree with John here in terms of using a filter.  Adding and
removing
> SB> filters throughout a day of shooting can be a bit of a PITA, and digi
is
> SB> supposed to make things easier for the photog.  It would be great to
have a
> SB> 50 ISO setting - even 100 would be an improvement. As I've said about
film,
> SB> lower speeds means wider apertures and more creative opportunities.




Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
The real trick here is that there is a single native speed of the CCD.
If you lower it or raise it, you introduce noise/quality problems.
Minolta offers a 100 ISO setting for their D7D which uses the same
basic chip as the Pentax and Nikon.  However, image quality is lower
at ISO 100 than 200, which is the native speed.  Unlike film, which
gets better quality the slower you go, digital doesn't get any better
once you go below the native speed.

So I guess a follow on question would be - would you accept lower
quality for slower speed or prefer ND's and better quality?  I suppose
it could always be an option.  Perhaps the Minolta choice is a good
one.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, June 12, 2005, 8:29:14 AM, you wrote:

SB> I'd agree with John here in terms of using a filter.  Adding and removing
SB> filters throughout a day of shooting can be a bit of a PITA, and digi is
SB> supposed to make things easier for the photog.  It would be great to have a
SB> 50 ISO setting - even 100 would be an improvement. As I've said about film,
SB> lower speeds means wider apertures and more creative opportunities.

SB> Shel 


>> [Original Message]
>> From: John Forbes 

>> As William said, why put a filter on a lens if you don't have to?  

>> > - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
>> > Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Why would you want ISO 50 sensitivity? At 200, noise is virtually
>> >> unnoticable, and ND filters can be used when slower shutter speeds are

>> >> required.
>> >
>> > I can understand it. I like limited DOF, but tossing an ND filter on
SB> can  
>> > really bugger up AF, and these things don't have the best viewfinders
>> > for manual focus.
>> > It's not high on my list of wants, but it would be nice to have.
>> >
>> > William Robb  





RE: First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Bob W
Those are very enjoyable photos, well taken. I know how difficult it is to
use a 400 lens with 1.4X and 2X converters; I guess the difficulties with
the small sensor must be similar. 

You obviously live in a very nice place, too.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 12 June 2005 16:28
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: First *ist Ds shots
> 
> I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
> Put the A400/5.6 on the camera. 
> Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
> Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)
> 
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg
> 
> This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.
> 
> Also captured this trio...
> 
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg
> 
> All three are as they came out of the camera.
> The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
> The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as 
> they came.
> The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to 
> show the full size image.
> 
> I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my 
> habit is to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the 
> slide image...but no slide image here!
> 
> I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something 
> like Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?
> 
> Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> 
> 
> 



Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'd agree with John here in terms of using a filter.  Adding and removing
filters throughout a day of shooting can be a bit of a PITA, and digi is
supposed to make things easier for the photog.  It would be great to have a
50 ISO setting - even 100 would be an improvement. As I've said about film,
lower speeds means wider apertures and more creative opportunities.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Forbes 

> As William said, why put a filter on a lens if you don't have to?  

> > - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
> > Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?
> >
> >
> >> Why would you want ISO 50 sensitivity? At 200, noise is virtually  
> >> unnoticable, and ND filters can be used when slower shutter speeds are

> >> required.
> >
> > I can understand it. I like limited DOF, but tossing an ND filter on
can  
> > really bugger up AF, and these things don't have the best viewfinders  
> > for manual focus.
> > It's not high on my list of wants, but it would be nice to have.
> >
> > William Robb  




First *ist Ds shots

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
I went to the Arboretum at 7 AM this morning.
Put the A400/5.6 on the camera. 
Cranked the ASA up to 800 as it was a bit overcast.
Was quickly rewarded with this...(warning, big for dial-up readers)

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Deer41.jpg

This is out of the camera and simply resized to 25% in PSP.

Also captured this trio...

http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Feeding3.jpg

All three are as they came out of the camera.
The first two are cropped and resized to 40% in PSP.
The last is just cropped without resizing, ie. the pixels as they came.
The 1st shot is the best, but I included the 3rd one just to show the
full size image.

I'm still a bit puzzled about sharpening these images as my habit is
to sharpen the web image a bit to better match the slide image...but
no slide image here!

I haven't shot anything in RAW yet.  Don't I need something like
Photoshop or Photoshop Elements to handle the 12 bit color?

Critique, comments and suggestions solicited.

Regards,  Bob S.



RE: Professional Courtesy

2005-06-12 Thread Anthony Farr
William,

I saw this thread warming up this morning but had to go and do family stuff.
I was interested to see how it panned out.  What you wrote here capture what
I was feeling, that is, if there had been even the remotest professional
relationship present, then the asking of such a favour would be perfectly
acceptable in the spirit of mutual backscratching.  However, for this to
work there must be a genuine possibility of reciprocal favours being
honoured if ever requested.

You've been fortunate if your professional community has been so mutually
obliging in the past.  But I have to agree with those who point out that the
favour you asked of the official doggie portrait photographer would have
seemed like asking for money from her purse, because she would rationalise
that you were poaching a prospective client from her.  She may even have
paid a fee to the show organizers for the exclusive rights to provide
portraits, and may have felt indignant over your request.

And consider that the "little tweeb" may have her life mortgaged to the hilt
to get her photo business established.  Little things like creditors can
inhibit a person's generous spirit.

I'm sure you gave the dog-owner some fine shots anyway, whatever the
lighting you had to use.

regards,
Anthony Farr 

> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Graywolf"
> Subject: Re: Professional Courtesy
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > So without knowing the exact situation we can not make a valid decision
on
> > whether she was just being a shit or acting properly.
> 
> A little bit of both.
> I've been on both sides of that one. My reaction is to help the other guy
> out, especially if it will cost me nothing to do so, and will build up
some
> good will in the process.
> It's the way the community that I grew up in operates, and to a great
> extent, still does.
> I suppose it comes from being in a small market, where you really need to
> have a network of people to get things done sometimes.
> 
> William Robb




Re: *ist D discontinued ?

2005-06-12 Thread John Forbes
As William said, why put a filter on a lens if you don't have to?  I shoot  
quite a lot indoors with flash, and usually find I have too much light.  I  
suppose putting ND filters over the flash heads might be another solution,  
but the best would be 50 ISO on the camera.


John

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:44:57 +0100, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:




- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: *ist D discontinued ?


Why would you want ISO 50 sensitivity? At 200, noise is virtually  
unnoticable, and ND filters can be used when slower shutter speeds are  
required.


I can understand it. I like limited DOF, but tossing an ND filter on can  
really bugger up AF, and these things don't have the best viewfinders  
for manual focus.

It's not high on my list of wants, but it would be nice to have.

William Robb  









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Re: PESO -- Stony Creek Congregational Church

2005-06-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually I was doing some interior shots, nice exposures, lousy 
composition, well at least uninteresting composition, and forgot to 
change to a more appropriate ISO.


keithw wrote:


P. J. Alling wrote:

A couple more shots from my walk in the Village of Stony Creek.  I 
like them I hope someone else might.


PESO -- "Stony Creek Congregational Church Roofline"

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_scchrl01.html

Technical Information:

Pentax *ist-D iso-1600 @ 1/3000sec.
smc Pentax-FA 28-200 f38~5.6AL[IF] @ f9.5 28mm

Stony Creek Congregational Church Bell Tower
This image was rather heavily corrected for perspective.

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_scchpc1.html

Technical Information:

Pentax *ist-D iso-1600 @ 1/3000sec.
smc Pentax-FA 28-200 f38~5.6AL[IF] @ f9.5 28mm



I like both of them. But...tell me, why did you choose a hi ISO and 
corresponding hi speed exposure. It's not as tho' the building was 
going anywhere, or moving around.

Was it to compensate for hand-holding he exposure?

Just curious...

keith whaley






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