Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread David Mann
On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 Anyone care to share?

Started out as an electronics engineer, then went into business as a  
web developer, now doing web development for someone else's company.

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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


 - Original Message -
 From: John Forbes  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
 they _will_ _die_.  Simple as that.

 But the others won't.  Simple as that.

 And actually it won't affect Pentax.  Any full-frame bodies would be
 much more expensive, and therefore in a separate market segment that
 Pentax doesn't address.  Canon would suffer from the competition, not
 Pentax.

 It will affect them to a certain extent, depending on the numbers.
 Most people aren't looking past the megapixel count.

 OTOH places like DPReview will trash APS-C cameras as soon as full frame
 becomes viable to
 the general market, probably in the next breath after trashing the full
 frame cameras for poor corner performance.

As you have yourself often said, most people buy on price, and FF is  
always going to be substantially more expensive than APS-C.  Whatever  
DPReview and Ken Rockwell say, price will ensure that APS-C remains  
dominant.

I have finally got my hands on a K10D.  Wonderful machine.  But I got it  
mainly because I found the D to be too slow when shooting RAW in the  
studio.  The pixel count made no difference.

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Peter McIntosh
Mike Hamilton wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

 Anyone care to share?

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Software testing with a R  D centre that is part of a multi-national 
computer company.  We produce a .net-based software development tool our 
marketing department describe as a service-oriented architecture enabler.

Been there on contract for 4+ years, after being there permanent for 5 
years and moving on, only to be retrenched.  I now work for the person I 
recommended to replace me when I left.  But hey, it's a gig... :-)

Ciao,

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RE: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Bob W
 
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware
of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to
me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)
 
 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special
education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's
never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.
 
 Anyone care to share?
 

I'm a Brazilian Waxing Consultant.

In my spare time I'm an IT manager for an enormous bank.

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RE: Christmas cookie recipe

2007-01-02 Thread Bob W
I received an offer of hoax porn recently, but it turned out to be a
scam.

Best joke of the year so far was on the Today programme on Radio Four
this morning. Talking about the accession of Romania and Bulgaria to
the EU, somebody referred to the Commissioner for Enlargement, and
wondered if that's who sends out all those emails...

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of David Mann
 Sent: 02 January 2007 04:41
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Christmas cookie recipe
 
 On Jan 2, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  You must really live in the sticks.  That joke is at least twenty

  years old
 
 Well this _is_ the internet... where everything is either porn, a  
 hoax, porn, a scam, porn, an old joke, or porn.
 
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RE: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Bob W
 I'm what's commonly referred to here in Australia as a Pube.  

I love Aussies!

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of J and K Messervy
 Sent: 02 January 2007 06:29
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 Subject: Re: Occupations?
 
 I'm what's commonly referred to here in Australia as a Pube.  
 That is a 
 Public Servant (known  as Civil Servant in some other parts 
 of the world). 
 I work for the Australian Government Department of Transport 
 and Regional 
 Services.
 
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Re: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Doug Franklin
Senior Software Developer working on a behavioral virus detector.

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Anyone care to share?

My day job is also in the pitiful, shattered remnants of the British education 
system.

I have an ecological consultancy in order to be able to eat and occasionally 
buy toys.

Much of my spare time is taken up with voluntary work with the British Red 
Cross and a local environmental charity.  And reading mailing lists.


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Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)

2007-01-02 Thread John Francis

Oh, I'm (mostly) happy with the results I get from the *ist-D.
The problem comes with the shots I *don't* get, for a variety
of reasons (the most common ones being failure of the AF system
to achieve a lock fast enough in low light/low contrast scenes,
or the buffer filling up during a multi-shot sequence).

I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not
a needed upgrade for better image quality.


On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 07:55:14PM -0800, Jim Apilado wrote:
 I, too, am satisfied with the results I get from *ist D.  I like to read the
 material from Pentax users who can't wait to move up to the latest toy.
 
 Jim A.
 
  From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:38:21 -0800
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
  
  One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results.  In fact,
  since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I
  really need the K10D.  I sure want one, and will probably get one, but thus
  far I've not done any DSLR work that makes the 10D necessary.
  
  Shel
  
  
  
  [Original Message]
  From: Scott Loveless
  
  Just shoot film.  There is no treadmill.  And no upgrade path, either.
  
  Have a nice day!
  
  
  
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Occupations

2007-01-02 Thread Charles Wilson
Dear All,

I work as a CEO of a Christian charity, and work part as a marriage 
counsellor and a psychologist.

Regards


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Cleaning sensors

2007-01-02 Thread Don Williams
I use a modified web camera for photomicrography. It makes good stills 
and videos at high magnification. The modification involves removing the 
lens mount from the circuit board (exposing the CCD) cutting off a 
millimeter or so to enable a 12mm Marshall lens, that replaces the 
original, to focus to infinity. The CCD gets crap on it very easily. At 
the magnifications I use -- 1200X and more the dust specs are like 
boulders covering detail in the specimens. Cleaning is a very difficult 
job. because taking it all to pieces and putting it back outside a clean 
room is hopeless. I tried working with the camera inside a plastic bag, 
doesn't help much, if at all. Cleaning the *ist D sensor is a piece of 
cake. I use a Zerostat (probably contains Polonium isotopes) to give it 
a preliminary blow and then a Pasteur pipette with a rubber bulb on the 
back to give a final puff or two. So far it has been successful. But the 
Quickcam Pro is a real pain. I'm going to make a small hood -- wire 
frame and plastic sheet to work in before I try again.

D (NPP)

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread DagT
Den 2. jan. 2007 kl. 07.18 skrev Mike Hamilton:

 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

 Anyone care to share?


As some of you have noticed I´m a Patent Attorney, specializing in  
measuring technology, mostly optics and acoustics as well as some  
semiconductor devices.

DagT




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Re: Noisy New Year (blue channel noise issue)

2007-01-02 Thread Thibouille
AFAIK Pentax is aware and should introduce a fix (complete fix or not
I don't know).

2007/1/2, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Original Message -
 From: John Celio Subject: Noisy New Year (blue channel noise issue)


  Welcome to 2007!
 
  *sigh*
 
  I hate to give fuel to the doomsayers and eternal pessimists (read: the
  seeming majority of DPReview's forum users and a few guys here), but I
  think
  there's a problem with my K10D.  I never saw long-exposure noise like this
  in my *istD.
 
  Here are three versions of the same two-photo (10-second exposures)
  stitch.
  Granted, they're reduced in size and compressed, but if you look at them
  in
  photoshop or a browser with a non-white background, you'll see what I'm
  talking about.
 
  Full color: http://www.neovenator.com/special/new_year_pano_color.jpg
  Red channel:
  http://www.neovenator.com/special/new_year_pano_red_channel.jpg
- very low noise, and the green channel is similar
  Blue channel:
  http://www.neovenator.com/special/new_year_pano_blue_channel.jpg
- it's so noisy, it looks like a photo in a newspaper printed with
  rollers that were covered in dirt.  Look at those streaks!  It's horrible!
 
  Here's the right frame, which you can take into photoshop and see the
  channels first-hand:
  http://www.neovenator.com/special/new_year_pano_frame.jpg
 
  This is incredibly frustrating.  It's a good thing I wasn't able to make
  my
  big nighttime pano this year, because the noise would be driving me
  insane.
 
  My question is, should I wait for Pentax to release a firmware update and
  see if that solves the problem, or call up Pentax this week and bug them
  about it?
 
  Also, what's a good phone number for reaching Pentax (US)?

 I've noticed that complaints of excessive noise seem to be cropping up when
 exposure times hit the several second range. I suspect that it is a sensor
 problem and that we are stuck with it.
 I applied some pretty heavy noise reduction to the blue channel of the image
 you posted, and thought it was much improved for it.

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Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Thibouille
I know I'm not the only one.. but if anybody knows where to find one,
I'd be very grateful.

My location is brussels, Belgium but I probably can move to
Netherlands, West of Germany or  notrh of France if needed.

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Re: Do it yourself pano head

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've had pretty much the same experience - I've shot panos both on a leveled
 tripod  handheld  have experienced no problems getting panoramaker to
 stitch them together.

Use a WA lens in portrait mode and combine near and far field objects
in the shoot and you'll have all sorts of problems regardless of the
software. This is particularly the case when using some of the new DA
zooms, their nodal point at the widest setting is very close to the
front element.

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RE: Occupations

2007-01-02 Thread Trevor Bailey
G'day All.
I am the Production Supervisor at a large timber flooring manufacturing
plant in Grafton, N.S.W. Australia.

Hooroo.
Regards, 
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Grafton
Australia
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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
I've got one in my camera bag.

Dave (helpful aren't I? :-)

On 1/2/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know I'm not the only one.. but if anybody knows where to find one,
 I'd be very grateful.

 My location is brussels, Belgium but I probably can move to
 Netherlands, West of Germany or  notrh of France if needed.

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was on an *ist-D. Reading one of the translated interviews here on
 the K10D, I noted that a reference was made to coating the sensor with a
 special anti-dust coating. I made a note to myself to be sure to check
 that the K10D sensor was OK with the methanol - I'd had to partially
 dissolve some sort of coating. Probably not an issue, but it's
 worthwhile to be careful.

From an early K01D brochure (L1013):

Behind the Dust Removal designation lies an entire system unto
itself. The surface
of the low pass filter is sealed with a nanotechnology based fluorine coating.
This ensures that dust cannot adhere to the sensor surface.

Most of the articles I've read on fluorine coatings of many types
often refer to their robustness, so if I were to hazard a guess I'd
say ethanol will be safe to use for cleaning.

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rob

 What sort of compressor do you use?

It's one that I bought second hand from a photo-finisher business that
shut up shop. It uses a modified refrigeration compressor with
pressure controller which feeds into a paper filter which removes
water/oils and dust. It has no reservoir per se but has sufficient
storage capacity in the filter and hoses to provide a few puffs of air
at up to 100PSI until the compressor cuts in. It's very quiet and has
little leakage as the pump will only kick in a few times a day when
the unit is left unused.

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Brian Walters
It's a living...



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia


Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 1/2/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it might be shit to you but it's my bread and butter
 
 Har!
 
 That's just lovely.
 
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Re: Xmas and New Year

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thank you, and a happy New Year to you. Excellent photo.
On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:59 AM, Don Williams wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm back. I have just realised that while I sent a card to some members
 individually I neglected the group as a whole because I was 'off list'
 for a while. So I've posted my sad little card here for those  
 interested
 enough to look:

 http://picasaweb.google.com/don.donwilliams/OddsAndEnds/ 
 photo#5015320217490698978

 Camera *ist D; Lens Sigma Apo Macro Super 70 - 300 @ F9.5; speed I
 forget. But I thinks the EXIF stuff is all there.

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know I'm not the only one.. but if anybody knows where to find one,
 I'd be very grateful.

J'ai lancé une petite enquête téléphonique et il y en a chez Foto Hamer
à Bochum (0049 234 961 42 17), mais seulement en combinaison avec le 18
- 55 mm et le 55 - 200 mm. Prix de l'ensemble: 1200 euros TTC. Faudra y
aller, ils ne font pas de VPC.

J'y ai acheté le mien fin novembre.

A+
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm a writer. I work full time in an ad agency and do some magazine 
journalism on the side.
Paul
On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:18 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

 Anyone care to share?

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Re: Scanning

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I can't afford a high end scanner either, or at least it's not a 
priority since I shoot so little film. But it was certainly 
enlightening to see what the Imacon can do. I don't know what model it 
was, but it wasn't slow.
Paul
On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Yeah, an Imacon Flextight would be wonderful. But $5000 for the
 cheapest one puts it well out of my budget, never mind the time it
 takes to use it.

 Results I've seen from the Epson V700 are pretty good. $500 is a lot
 closer to affordable...

 Godfrey

 On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 For several years, I scanned all my 6x7 transparencies and negs on an
 Epson 3200. The results were nice. I sold quite a few as stock and
 many to magazines. When I went to visit my friend the other day, he
 asked me to bring some transparencies that I had confidence in
 regarding sharpness and exposure. I brought a few car shots from one
 of my magazine articles. He scanned them on an Imacon. Wow. I  was
 impressed. I printed one on the 2400 when I got home. An amazing
 difference. Not just in sharpness or detail resolution, but shadow
 detail and color gradation as well. Now I just have to find a
 benefactor to buy me an Imacon. When I have time, I'll prepare a 100%
 crop comparison, since I still have my original scans.
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What sort of compressor do you use?

I'm not Rob but I've been using a so-called oil-free compressor for
years. It has PTFE cylinder linings and doesn't need lubrication. One
major caveat: the blower pistol that I bought with it was copiously
greased inside and caused an awful mess until I disassambled and cleaned
it. 

This compressor lives in my basement lab and I have a second 25 litre
pressure vessel - basically the same type as the one fitted to the
compressor - for scanning and other cleaning jobs upstairs. Usually
lasts for at least two nights of intense scanning work.

Ralf

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Silly old me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 J'ai lancé une petite enquête...

Ooops. That was meant to be sent as an email. Mes excuses. :-)

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Re: Do it yourself pano head

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dave
 since I only will make flat panoramas made out of 3-6 shots and not 360
 degree round ones I would love to see the difference in a panorama with and
 without nodal point adjustment of the camera for my requirements . Has
 anybody a link or selfmade panoramas with a comparison?
 Gratulations for your self made head from somebody with two left hands :-)

Just take two shots with a wide angle lens in a confined space by
rotating on the spot and attempt to stitch them, it's no fun. Do the
same thing using a pano head with the correct offset dialed in and
stitching will be very easy.

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Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of
 the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I
 suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size
 with aperture.
 My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake reduction
 technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been of
 the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage beyond
 the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and
 bolts of photographic theory.

Most 35mm lenses don't cover much more than 43mm diagonally however
given that the sensor movement in the K10D is about +/- 2.5mm I
venture that SR could be fully implemented if users were willing to
endure a 5mm crop from each dimension for the full frame. This would
result in an SR frame with a 1.16 crop, not too unusable and along the
same lines as the concept of cropping to an APS frame when reduced
frame lenses are mounted on full frame bodies. Almost everyone would
be happy then.

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Re: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread cbwaters
I'm the house audio engineer at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.  Also 
responsible for CCTV and scoreboards.

Cory

- Original Message - 
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 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Now, that you have exposed yourself, Ralf - do tell us honestly - how
many languages do you know (can write and read)?

;-)

On 1/2/07, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Silly old me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  J'ai lancé une petite enquête...

 Ooops. That was meant to be sent as an email. Mes excuses. :-)

 Ralf

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RE: Scanning

2007-01-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
For years I've been touting the various iterations of the Imacon here often
to be met with comments about people not seeing any appreciable difference,
comments (based on some technical crap or web articles) that a good flat
bed scanner is comparable or almost as good, etc.  I'm very glad to see
that someone finally agrees with my assessment of the scanner.  Now, if you
want to kick it up a notch, get a good scan on a real drum scanner, like
the Heidelberg Tango (when good enough is not good enough).  Compare that
to any of the Epsons, and even some Imacons.  Be careful that you don't
step on your jaw LOL

I am fortunate in that I can rent time on a couple of the mid- and high-end
Imacons, and can get good support and scanning advice from an expert on the
subject, who is usually right there when I'm scanning.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist 

 For several years, I scanned all my 6x7 transparencies and negs on an  
 Epson 3200. The results were nice. I sold quite a few as stock and  
 many to magazines. When I went to visit my friend the other day, he  
 asked me to bring some transparencies that I had confidence in  
 regarding sharpness and exposure. I brought a few car shots from one  
 of my magazine articles. He scanned them on an Imacon. Wow. I  was  
 impressed. I printed one on the 2400 when I got home. An amazing  
 difference. Not just in sharpness or detail resolution, but shadow  
 detail and color gradation as well. Now I just have to find a  
 benefactor to buy me an Imacon. When I have time, I'll prepare a 100%  
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RE: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
 Ooops. That was meant to be sent as an email. Mes excuses. :-)
 
 Ralf

Oh my, I thought it *was* sent as an email ;-).

Antti-Pekka


Antti-Pekka Virjonen

Computec Oy
RD Turku

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Toine
They should be available in the Netherlands. try
http://www.kamera-express.nl or http://www.eurovisiononline.nl/
849 euro is the lowest pice.

On 1/2/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know I'm not the only one.. but if anybody knows where to find one,
 I'd be very grateful.

 My location is brussels, Belgium but I probably can move to
 Netherlands, West of Germany or  notrh of France if needed.

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread John Forbes
Technikdirekt is usually cheap and efficient.

http://www.technikdirekt.de/

John


On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:55:09 -, Antti-Pekka Virjonen  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ooops. That was meant to be sent as an email. Mes excuses. :-)

 Ralf

 Oh my, I thought it *was* sent as an email ;-).

 Antti-Pekka
 

 Antti-Pekka Virjonen

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SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Gang,

Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
work with the new SDHC cards?

Jostein

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Re: PESO - Office Christmas

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
hehe...

That begs a quote from the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. As
Marvin the robot said:
Hmmm... Now what does that remind me of Ah! I know. Life.

Jostein
(enjoying a last day of Christmas leave)

On 12/30/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a small report from the real world...
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=280783

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Re: OT: The value of DP Review.

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
That's absolutely fabulous, Bill.
Thanks for posting.

Jostein

On 12/30/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029message=21437336

 I just can't say enough about this thread.

 William Robb

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now, that you have exposed yourself, Ralf - do tell us honestly - how
 many languages do you know (can write and read)?

If it's read *and* write, then just German, French, and English.

Ralf

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Re: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Bob Shell
I think many of you already know about me.  For those who don't know,  
I was Editor of Shutterbug magazine for 20+ years until I was  
voluntarily retired at the end of 2000.  I've written a bunch of  
books on photography subjects; stopped counting after 24.  These days  
I make my meager living writing books and magazine articles, and  
selling prints of my fine art photography as well as licensing stock  
photography use of images.  Most recent book projects: The Complete  
Idiot's Guide to Digital Photography Like A Pro ( I did not write the  
title!) published last year; The Complete Idiot's Guide to Massage,  
due out this April; The Complete Idiot's Guide to Digital Video, due  
out late this year; and The Ultimate Exposure Book, a Kodak book due  
out some months after I can find the time to finish writing it.

I learned years ago that it was a lot easier to make a living writing  
about photography than trying to make a living as a photographer.

Bob

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Christian
I'm a UNIX/Linux systems administrator for a large Online company in 
America.  My systems process and store almost 1 billion emails per day 
(and we drop or filter twice that on a daily basis...)

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Re: Will we have a Netiquette on the PDML next year?

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 12/30/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tim, Tim, Tim, never apoligize, it's a sign of weakness.  By the way, I
 don't take any of this crap particularly seriously.  I'll even buy any
 one of you guys a beer, where ever I meet you.  Providing I have any
 money at the time.  Even Jostein, who came close to calling me a Nazi.
 Hell I should have declared that thread dead and myself the winner based
 on the Newsgroup Nazi rule...

Uhh.
I probably even personally contributed to global warming just by being
such a hothead. Sorry about that, P. J., it was uncalled for.

Jostein

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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gang,

 Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
 work with the new SDHC cards?

If they adhere to the SDHC spec they should read regular SD cards
without a problem.

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Re: Will we have a Netiquette on the PDML next year?

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/30/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tim, Tim, Tim, never apoligize, it's a sign of weakness.  By the way, I
  don't take any of this crap particularly seriously.  I'll even buy any
  one of you guys a beer, where ever I meet you.  Providing I have any
  money at the time.  Even Jostein, who came close to calling me a Nazi.
  Hell I should have declared that thread dead and myself the winner based
  on the Newsgroup Nazi rule...

 Uhh.
 I probably even personally contributed to global warming just by being
 such a hothead. Sorry about that, P. J., it was uncalled for.

 Jostein

Maybe one of Frank's anti-mind control foil hats would help keep the heat in?

Dave

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Re: Scanning

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For years I've been touting the various iterations of the Imacon here often
 to be met with comments about people not seeing any appreciable difference,
 comments (based on some technical crap or web articles) that a good flat
 bed scanner is comparable or almost as good, etc.  I'm very glad to see
 that someone finally agrees with my assessment of the scanner.  Now, if you
 want to kick it up a notch, get a good scan on a real drum scanner, like
 the Heidelberg Tango (when good enough is not good enough).  Compare that
 to any of the Epsons, and even some Imacons.  Be careful that you don't
 step on your jaw LOL

Just because a scanner doesn't employ a drum system of some type
doesn't mean it's not capable. Flat bed scanners from the likes of
Heidelberg have been around and quite capable for 15 years or more and
some of the recent consumer flatbeds offer very good performance. The
Imacon scanners are good but they still only use essentially the same
sensors as the best flat bed scanners and they are generally less
flexible WRT acceptable media types and sizes.

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Re: Been away

2007-01-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bruce,
Welcome back.  Our best to your father-in-law.  They need support and
careful watching when they lose a long time spouse.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/1/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a quick note to let you all know that I have been relatively gone
 from the list for the past 3 weeks.  My Mother-In-Law passed away
 suddenly on December 9th so I have been out to the viewing/funeral and
 then back to be with Father-In-Law for the holidays.  Being all alone,
 he was in need of our company.

 During that time, my connectivity was very spotty.  So sorry for not
 chiming in much or sharing.  I am back now and anxious for this new
 year to see all the cool pictures you are all going to be taking and
 joining in on good discussions that will come up.

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Re: Question about DNG

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Boris,

That's odd. I just checked with my installation and a fresh DNG, and
lens data are recorded. Even for the Sigma EX 70-200.

Are any data recorded in PEF or JPG`?

Btw, I got the same problem when installing the v3.10 from the Pentax
web site. The software on the K10D CD has the same version number, but
it's not the same.

Jostein

On 12/29/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 Well, George, I hear what you're saying. I just installed Pentax
 Software from the CD that came with the camera. None of my DNG files
 displays the lens name in the browser. It displays -- -- sign
 obviously meaning that it wasn't recorded.

 I may have to shoot some PEFs just because so that I could see if my
 Tamron and K10D are talking between themselves the same language.

 Thanks.

 Boris

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Antonios Kekalos
Retired U.S. Government (30 years) now holding an administrative
position with Coldwell Banker Schmidt Realtors in Northern Michigan.

On 1/2/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

 Anyone care to share?

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 1/2/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got one in my camera bag.

 Dave (helpful aren't I? :-)

 On 1/2/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I know I'm not the only one.. but if anybody knows where to find one,
  I'd be very grateful.
 
  My location is brussels, Belgium but I probably can move to
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Re: 2006 PDML quotations list: Part 2

2007-01-02 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I need a life.

 Take Frank's.

I don't look good in bunny ears.:-)

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Re: Pentax on Today Show

2007-01-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
I don't know.  We had sun better than 50% of the time when we were
visiting you guys in NZ.  Great place!
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/1/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

  Up here in Chicago, when the pipes are threatening to freeze, be let
  the faucets trickle a little bit of water.  The warmer ground water
  keeps the pipes from freezing.

 We might get some sun tomorrow.  I think I've seen it twice in two
 weeks.  Not bad for the middle of summer.

 I hope I don't need to explain the concept of sun to the Brits...

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PDML Quotations from 2006

2007-01-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Since it's past midnight GMT...


 2006 

Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.
 - Doug Brewer

Battery is charging! Rejoice, rejoice!
 - Ken Takeshita

I'm pretty close to Cotty's height when I have my ears on.
 - Frank Theriault

Now, let me tell you how flawed you are...
 - Norm Baugher

My glasses are clean but my mind isn't.
 - Annsan

Personally, I think a gorilla should cost a lot more than 800 pounds, 
but that's eBay for you.
 - Bob Walkden

Have you considered the joys of snakeskin?
 - Frank Theriault

I *do* know a Hippo's bum when I see one.
 - Mike Wilson

Photography isn't necessarily about making an exact 2 dimensional 
duplicate of what was in front of the camera.
 - Bill Robb

I was too excited to read the fine print
 - Cory Papenfuss

The amusing flame wars here are well worth pressing a little green 
button every now and then.
 - Juan Buhler

I'm not a fondler. I'm a photographer. 
 - Paul Stenquist

MARNIE CLEAN OUT YOUR MAILBOX!
 - Traditional

Was your dog in danger when you bought the DS?
 - Shel Belinkoff

The (aperture simulator is) now a vestige of the evolution of this 
mount. Pretty much like the human appendix, it's there and can 
sometimes cause inflammation (like the aperture simulator periodically 
does on this list).
 - Gonz

A great lens feel is nice, but a superb rendering is better.
 - Paul Stenquist

Complicated cameras are often made for people who believe they can buy 
'skills' they don't have themselves :-)
 - Jens Bladt

It's Santa photos fer Gawds sake, it ain't high art.
 - Bill Robb

Killfiles work miracles, not wimps
 - Kostas Kavoussanakis

Maybe phones don't take great pix, but Holgas make worse phones.
 - Frank Theriault

Gawd, will I be happy to not have to type those asterisks*.
 - Paul Stenquist

The more you know, the better your results.
 - Shel Belinkoff

I think I'll check to see if I've used up this year's quota of commas.
 - Doug Brewer

That's what happens when you write an English posting while you're 
sitting in Germany and listening to French radio.
 - Ralf R. Radermacher

An axiom is that no matter how well a digital camera performs, people 
will complain about noise. Corollary to that axiom is the fact that all 
digital cameras do have noise.
 - Godfrey DiGiorgi

You can define things any way you like. This doesn't imply that your 
definition is correct.
 - Bill Robb

It's sometimes quite handy to have a second-grader around the house.
 - Doug Brewer

I'm skimming all of these posts and still have no idea what the hell 
an aperture simulator is. I guess it can't be too important if I never 
knew I needed it.
 - J and K Messervy

Adam Maas: I'm just wondering what the heck Ingorant means
Mark Roberts: It's a large black seabird related to the cormorant.

Paul Stenquist: Tell me, Bill. How do you always manage to say what 
the rest of us are thinking?
Bill Robb: Tourette Syndrome.

I feel so...dirty.
 - D. Glenn Arthur (Re: Purchasing a *digital* SLR)

You have a French name. That makes you a gourmet.
 - Bob Walkden

Is it just me, or does it seem like a bad idea to make a decision on a 
camera system based on a single consumer-zoom lens?
 - Mat Maessen

Canon aren't exactly going broke making some of the worst entry-level 
DSLRs available, and selling them by the truckload to people who don't 
know any better.
 - John Francis

I have a lot of opinions. Some of them *must* be wrong.
 - Rich Tietjens (A friend who's not on PDML but deserves to be quoted 
anyway)

I found the LA water to be awful, but then I was drinking it straight 
up.
 - Shel Belinkoff

It's a good thing that Pentax doesn't offer new flagship cameras too 
often. This way even I can - kinda - keep up!
 - Jens Bladt

My interpretation is typographically correct, although perhaps unduly 
optimistic
 - Bertil Holmberg

You're not kicking me when I'm down, you're just kicking me.
 - Frank Theriault

I once saw Frans Lanting in Mike's eyebrows.
 - Bob Walkden

No camera I've owned has been perfect.
 - Godfrey DiGiorgi

Complaints about problems which exist only in speculation is really 
stupid.
 - Godfrey DiGiorgi

My istD used to take 6MP photos in 2004. Now it is down to 1600x1200, 
and that's only when I shoot cats and flowers. Also, it takes Canon 
lenses now. I better upgrade before it gets even worse.
  - Juan Buhler

I've never camped alone before as a woman, or as a man either :-)
 - Marnie aka Doe

Having more than one lens enables you to have the wrong lens mounted 
at any given time.
 - Doug Brewer

He looks like his emails.
 - Annsan (Don't remember who she was writing about, but does it really 
matter?)

My favourite photographic accessory for shooting aggressive and lethal 
wild animals is a helicopter.
 - John Forbes

It has the flare resistance of a 1970's Led Zeppelin groupie.
 - Mike Wilson (though which third-party lens he was referring to is 
long forgotten...)

It's a DATA POINT, for Pete's sake, not something 

Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Doug Brewer
Mike Hamilton wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)
 
 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.
 
 Anyone care to share?
 
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/2/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

 Anyone care to share?

I get raked over the coals on a daily basis by people who don't know
any better and by people who definitely know better but like torturing
me..

Er, I work in technical support for the local telecom.

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RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
right, but then they dont need much at all, we are talking
about a the amount of a typical image blur which is
very small amount relative to the normal image. And even if they had
ZERO
overcoverage, AS could still be done with a very tiny
amount of auto or manual cropping slightly smaller than FF, nothing
anywhere
near as small as the APS cropping currently used.
jco

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- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New
Year)


I should rephrase that, the amount
 of overcoverage needed for AS is small
 relative to the size of the image
 circle or diagonal on a FF sensor.

I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size
of 
the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I

suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes
size 
with aperture.
My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake
reduction 
technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always
been of 
the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage
beyond 
the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and 
bolts of photographic theory.

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Placement question for ACR

2007-01-02 Thread David J Brooks
Yesterday, day off, i down loaded the latest DNG and ACR files to the ibook.

As the ACR will not work with CS, i just opened the DNG.

I downloaded the same on my PC with CS2 and i cannot find were ACR is  
located to up date it.

I ran a search in my Programs/Adobe directories, but came up empty.

Can someone tell me were it should be found.?

Dave

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RE: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
The price difference in absolute dollars
between FF and APS has and will continue
to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the
benefit/(price difference) ratio will get
too high to make APS attractive or maybe
even eventually feasable. Thats why there
are almost no more 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0 Mp point
and shoots anymore. Simply not attractive/feasable
anymore even though still cheaper to make than
the 4.0 to 10.0 Mp models dominating the market.
jco

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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:


 - Original Message -
 From: John Forbes  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well 
 or they _will_ _die_.  Simple as that.

 But the others won't.  Simple as that.

 And actually it won't affect Pentax.  Any full-frame bodies would 
 be much more expensive, and therefore in a separate market segment 
 that Pentax doesn't address.  Canon would suffer from the 
 competition, not Pentax.

 It will affect them to a certain extent, depending on the numbers. 
 Most people aren't looking past the megapixel count.

 OTOH places like DPReview will trash APS-C cameras as soon as full 
 frame becomes viable to the general market, probably in the next 
 breath after trashing the full frame cameras for poor corner 
 performance.

As you have yourself often said, most people buy on price, and FF is  
always going to be substantially more expensive than APS-C.  Whatever  
DPReview and Ken Rockwell say, price will ensure that APS-C remains  
dominant.

I have finally got my hands on a K10D.  Wonderful machine.  But I got it

mainly because I found the D to be too slow when shooting RAW in the  
studio.  The pixel count made no difference.

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Re: Placement question for ACR

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
C:/Program Files/Common Files/Adobe/Plug-ins/CS2/File Formats/Camera Raw.8BI

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/2/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yesterday, day off, i down loaded the latest DNG and ACR files to the ibook.

 As the ACR will not work with CS, i just opened the DNG.

 I downloaded the same on my PC with CS2 and i cannot find were ACR is
 located to up date it.

 I ran a search in my Programs/Adobe directories, but came up empty.

 Can someone tell me were it should be found.?

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
For the last couple of years I've mostly been fiddling with document
exchange standards, electronic archiving and excavation of data from
old databases. All while employed by the Norwegian Medicines Agency
(Aka FDA in USA, MHRA in UK,  AFFSAPS in France, etc.).

Which is very, very far from what my education prepared me for...

Jostein

On 1/2/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

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Re: Looking for a K10D ...

2007-01-02 Thread Boris Liberman
I like the *just* part ;-). It is Russian, English and (mostly
speaking) Hebrew for me ;-).

On 1/2/07, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Now, that you have exposed yourself, Ralf - do tell us honestly - how
  many languages do you know (can write and read)?

 If it's read *and* write, then just German, French, and English.

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Re: Cleaning sensors

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
In the amateur astronomy circles, mod'ed webcams are also very
popular. Are their modifications in the same line as yours?

Jostein

On 1/2/07, Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use a modified web camera for photomicrography. It makes good stills
 and videos at high magnification. The modification involves removing the
 lens mount from the circuit board (exposing the CCD) cutting off a
 millimeter or so to enable a 12mm Marshall lens, that replaces the
 original, to focus to infinity. The CCD gets crap on it very easily. At
 the magnifications I use -- 1200X and more the dust specs are like
 boulders covering detail in the specimens. Cleaning is a very difficult
 job. because taking it all to pieces and putting it back outside a clean
 room is hopeless. I tried working with the camera inside a plastic bag,
 doesn't help much, if at all. Cleaning the *ist D sensor is a piece of
 cake. I use a Zerostat (probably contains Polonium isotopes) to give it
 a preliminary blow and then a Pasteur pipette with a rubber bulb on the
 back to give a final puff or two. So far it has been successful. But the
 Quickcam Pro is a real pain. I'm going to make a small hood -- wire
 frame and plastic sheet to work in before I try again.

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Re: Will we have a Netiquette on the PDML next year?

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 1/2/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe one of Frank's anti-mind control foil hats would help keep the heat in?

I'm sure it would.

Would probably boil my last brain cell too. :-)

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Re: Question about DNG

2007-01-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Hmmm,

What Pentax software you're using? I mean Browser and Photo Lab?

I have 3.0 that does not show Tamron lens data in the Browser while of
course other (Pentax) lenses do show fine. I shot some DNG + JPG. No
data was recorded in JPG either.

Not that it bothers me too much, but it is kind of odd and illogical.
After all, being a programmer, I pay attention to this kind of detail.

As as side note, it was very pleasant to receive an SMS from you on NY night.

Cheers.

On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Boris,

 That's odd. I just checked with my installation and a fresh DNG, and
 lens data are recorded. Even for the Sigma EX 70-200.

 Are any data recorded in PEF or JPG`?

 Btw, I got the same problem when installing the v3.10 from the Pentax
 web site. The software on the K10D CD has the same version number, but
 it's not the same.

 Jostein

 On 12/29/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi!
 
  Well, George, I hear what you're saying. I just installed Pentax
  Software from the CD that came with the camera. None of my DNG files
  displays the lens name in the browser. It displays -- -- sign
  obviously meaning that it wasn't recorded.
 
  I may have to shoot some PEFs just because so that I could see if my
  Tamron and K10D are talking between themselves the same language.
 
  Thanks.
 
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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The price difference in absolute dollars
 between FF and APS has and will continue
 to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the
 benefit/(price difference) ratio will get
 too high to make APS attractive or maybe
 even eventually feasable. Thats why there
 are almost no more 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0 Mp point
 and shoots anymore. Simply not attractive/feasable
 anymore even though still cheaper to make than
 the 4.0 to 10.0 Mp models dominating the market.

The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
price by at least the value of area of silicon that they utilize.

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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread Thibouille
An SDHC reader shoud read SD cards.
But an SD card will NOT read SDHC card.

2007/1/2, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Gang,

 Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
 work with the new SDHC cards?

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Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread William Robb
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list

- Original Message - 
From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D


 Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 It will affect them to a certain extent, depending on the numbers.
 Most people aren't looking past the megapixel count.

 OTOH places like DPReview will trash APS-C cameras as soon as full frame
 becomes viable to
 the general market, probably in the next breath after trashing the full
 frame cameras for poor corner performance.

 has anyone seen full frame camera without severe vignetting with wide 
 lenses?
 All big Canons suffer from this issue (to various degree), and 
 apparently
 this is exactly why Leica M8 is cropped and not full frame. If Sony 
 goes
 this way, it is only for marketing hype. And as we keep increasing sensor 
 size,
 why not go twice as large, to 36x48 (cropped 645)? I do not think that
 manufacturing cost of such big sensor would exceed $1000 .


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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Thanks, Thibouille.
Jostein

On 1/2/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 An SDHC reader shoud read SD cards.
 But an SD card will NOT read SDHC card.

 2007/1/2, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Gang,
 
  Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
  work with the new SDHC cards?
 
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread William Robb

 On 1/2/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

Atthe moment, I am ekeing out my existence as a general contractor doing 
home renovations.

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Bob Shell

On Jan 2, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

 Which is very, very far from what my education prepared me for...

I wonder how many of us are doing what our education prepared us  
for?  In my case I majored in zoology

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Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)

2007-01-02 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New 
Year)


 On 02/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size 
 of
 the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I
 suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size
 with aperture.
 My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake 
 reduction
 technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been 
 of
 the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage 
 beyond
 the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and
 bolts of photographic theory.

 Most 35mm lenses don't cover much more than 43mm diagonally however
 given that the sensor movement in the K10D is about +/- 2.5mm I
 venture that SR could be fully implemented if users were willing to
 endure a 5mm crop from each dimension for the full frame. This would
 result in an SR frame with a 1.16 crop, not too unusable and along the
 same lines as the concept of cropping to an APS frame when reduced
 frame lenses are mounted on full frame bodies. Almost everyone would
 be happy then.

Hi Rob, thanks for the straight answer.

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Re: Question about DNG

2007-01-02 Thread Boris Liberman
I shall be sure to try this today when I am back from the office.

On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Boris,

 I use v3.1 of the Pentax software. My installation was a bit
 disorderly, since I installed the 3.1 version from the web before
 installing from the K10D CD. The downloaded version required proof of
 ownership, but the *istD CD was sufficient.

 Anyway it sounds like an upgrade to v3.1 might solve your problem.


 Jostein


 On 1/2/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hmmm,
 
  What Pentax software you're using? I mean Browser and Photo Lab?
 
  I have 3.0 that does not show Tamron lens data in the Browser while of
  course other (Pentax) lenses do show fine. I shot some DNG + JPG. No
  data was recorded in JPG either.
 
  Not that it bothers me too much, but it is kind of odd and illogical.
  After all, being a programmer, I pay attention to this kind of detail.
 
  As as side note, it was very pleasant to receive an SMS from you on NY 
  night.
 
  Cheers.
 
  On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Boris,
  
   That's odd. I just checked with my installation and a fresh DNG, and
   lens data are recorded. Even for the Sigma EX 70-200.
  
   Are any data recorded in PEF or JPG`?
  
   Btw, I got the same problem when installing the v3.10 from the Pentax
   web site. The software on the K10D CD has the same version number, but
   it's not the same.
  
   Jostein
  
   On 12/29/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
   
Well, George, I hear what you're saying. I just installed Pentax
Software from the CD that came with the camera. None of my DNG files
displays the lens name in the browser. It displays -- -- sign
obviously meaning that it wasn't recorded.
   
I may have to shoot some PEFs just because so that I could see if my
Tamron and K10D are talking between themselves the same language.
   
Thanks.
   
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Re: Question about DNG

2007-01-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Boris,

I use v3.1 of the Pentax software. My installation was a bit
disorderly, since I installed the 3.1 version from the web before
installing from the K10D CD. The downloaded version required proof of
ownership, but the *istD CD was sufficient.

Anyway it sounds like an upgrade to v3.1 might solve your problem.


Jostein


On 1/2/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmmm,

 What Pentax software you're using? I mean Browser and Photo Lab?

 I have 3.0 that does not show Tamron lens data in the Browser while of
 course other (Pentax) lenses do show fine. I shot some DNG + JPG. No
 data was recorded in JPG either.

 Not that it bothers me too much, but it is kind of odd and illogical.
 After all, being a programmer, I pay attention to this kind of detail.

 As as side note, it was very pleasant to receive an SMS from you on NY night.

 Cheers.

 On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Boris,
 
  That's odd. I just checked with my installation and a fresh DNG, and
  lens data are recorded. Even for the Sigma EX 70-200.
 
  Are any data recorded in PEF or JPG`?
 
  Btw, I got the same problem when installing the v3.10 from the Pentax
  web site. The software on the K10D CD has the same version number, but
  it's not the same.
 
  Jostein
 
  On 12/29/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi!
  
   Well, George, I hear what you're saying. I just installed Pentax
   Software from the CD that came with the camera. None of my DNG files
   displays the lens name in the browser. It displays -- -- sign
   obviously meaning that it wasn't recorded.
  
   I may have to shoot some PEFs just because so that I could see if my
   Tamron and K10D are talking between themselves the same language.
  
   Thanks.
  
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder how many of us are doing what our education prepared us
 for?  In my case I majored in zoology

I'm an engineer, now engaged in child care!

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list

 - Original Message -
 From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D


  Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  It will affect them to a certain extent, depending on the numbers.
  Most people aren't looking past the megapixel count.
 
  OTOH places like DPReview will trash APS-C cameras as soon as full frame
  becomes viable to
  the general market, probably in the next breath after trashing the full
  frame cameras for poor corner performance.
 
  has anyone seen full frame camera without severe vignetting with wide
  lenses?
  All big Canons suffer from this issue (to various degree), and
  apparently
  this is exactly why Leica M8 is cropped and not full frame. If Sony
  goes
  this way, it is only for marketing hype. And as we keep increasing sensor
  size,
  why not go twice as large, to 36x48 (cropped 645)? I do not think that
  manufacturing cost of such big sensor would exceed $1000 .

B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced images.

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample images)

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Tom Simpson
Social studies teacher / school district instructional technology 
specialist.

-Tom
in SC, USA

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Hamilton wrote:

Anyone care to share?

I'm a secret agent.
Sorry, I can't tell you any more...


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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread wendy beard
Electronics Engineer. More specifically, IC design.

Wendy

On 1/2/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been reading this list for nearly 8 months now, and I'm aware of
 some of your occupations...  however some of you are a mystery to me.
 I'm not sure if that's on purpose or not... :)

 Anyway, just for a starting point, I'm a elementary special education
 teacher, presently substitute teaching as I'm just starting out back
 in my hometown after a year teaching in Kingston-Upon-Hull (it's never
 dull in Hull!), England , and then two years teaching in northern
 Alberta.

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list

 - Original Message -
 From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
  has anyone seen full frame camera without severe vignetting with wide
  lenses?
  All big Canons suffer from this issue (to various degree), and
  apparently
  this is exactly why Leica M8 is cropped and not full frame. If Sony
  goes
  this way, it is only for marketing hype. And as we keep increasing sensor
  size,
  why not go twice as large, to 36x48 (cropped 645)? I do not think that
  manufacturing cost of such big sensor would exceed $1000 .
 
 
  B.

I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
f4 L lens. At 17mm  40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the lens
than the camera IMO.

Just my 0.02c

Cheers,

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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 12:59:32 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: SDHC and card readers?
 
 On 02/01/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gang,
 
  Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
  work with the new SDHC cards?
 
 If they adhere to the SDHC spec they should read regular SD cards
 without a problem.

???  I don't think you answered the question.  Not in any way I can understand, 
anyway...  8-))


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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Scott Loveless
nelson
HAHA!
/nelson

On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 AIIEEee.

 Not Ken Rockwell!

 Scott Loveless wrote:
  On 1/1/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Which is why i have not read a DP review thread in 12 months.
 
  i Prefer to ask those actally using the product what its like.:-)
 
 
  This guy has a great website:  http://www.kenrockwell.com/
 
  g
 
 


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Re: Will we have a Netiquette on the PDML next year?

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 01:02:28 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Will we have a Netiquette on the PDML next year?
 
 On 1/2/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 12/30/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Tim, Tim, Tim, never apoligize, it's a sign of weakness.  By the way, I
   don't take any of this crap particularly seriously.  I'll even buy any
   one of you guys a beer, where ever I meet you.  Providing I have any
   money at the time.  Even Jostein, who came close to calling me a Nazi.
   Hell I should have declared that thread dead and myself the winner based
   on the Newsgroup Nazi rule...
 
  Uhh.
  I probably even personally contributed to global warming just by being
  such a hothead. Sorry about that, P. J., it was uncalled for.
 
  Jostein
 
 Maybe one of Frank's anti-mind control foil hats would help keep the heat in?

Don't know about that but you would get some lovely crackling.


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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:02:10 -0700, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

What tools and/or chemicals do you use?

To chime in with the choir: 
SpecPad+Eclipse, see my description at:

http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/guide/senclean.htm

(needed only 3 times on the *istD in three years, 0 on K10D :-)

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Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, I'm (mostly) happy with the results I get from the *ist-D.
 The problem comes with the shots I *don't* get, for a variety
 of reasons (the most common ones being failure of the AF system
 to achieve a lock fast enough in low light/low contrast scenes,
 or the buffer filling up during a multi-shot sequence).

 I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not
 a needed upgrade for better image quality.

The K10D definitely has some attractive attributes but for me the
increased resolution isn't strictly one of them. WRT actual ergonomics
I find that the grip is just too wide to feel comfortable in my hand
and the control wheels are a stretch. Also the manual WB which I use a
lot is less well thought out than it in on the *ist D. As such I'm
still shooting my *ist D far more than I expected that I would prior
to my K10D purchase.

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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 01:55:09 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
 
 On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The price difference in absolute dollars
  between FF and APS has and will continue
  to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the
  benefit/(price difference) ratio will get
  too high to make APS attractive or maybe
  even eventually feasable. Thats why there
  are almost no more 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0 Mp point
  and shoots anymore. Simply not attractive/feasable
  anymore even though still cheaper to make than
  the 4.0 to 10.0 Mp models dominating the market.
 
 The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
 resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
 which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
 price by at least the value of area of silicon that they utilize.

I estimate that differential to be about 0.32 Ukrainian Coupons.  In other 
words, about 1/5th of sweet FA.


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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread DagT

Den 2. jan. 2007 kl. 15.08 skrev Digital Image Studio:

 On 03/01/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder how many of us are doing what our education prepared us
 for?  In my case I majored in zoology

 I'm an engineer, now engaged in child care!

That can happen to anyone .-)

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Christian
Bob Shell wrote:
 On Jan 2, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
 
 Which is very, very far from what my education prepared me for...
 
 I wonder how many of us are doing what our education prepared us  
 for?  In my case I majored in zoology
 
 Bob

I have a BS degree in Ecology

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
 f4 L lens. At 17mm  40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
 treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the lens
 than the camera IMO.


it tells about the whole system - light leaving lens is hitting sensor under
steep angle, and microlenses are only able to focus part of this light on the
silicon. This lens might be perfect on film, but sensor is sensitive to
qualities that film won't notice.


B.

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
 images.

 http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
 images)

and how many from wide lenses ?


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RE: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Thats not the point, of course FF sensor will
always cost more than a APS sensor, but
if the absolute dollar value difference
gets small enough, the APS is not going
to be attractive or even feasible EVEN
THOUGH IT COSTS LESS, because the benefits
of FF will at some point swamp the cost savings
of APS if the absolute dollar price difference
continues to fall low enough. It's always about customer benefits
vs product costs. This is what drives the market.
THAT is why 1,2,3, MP PS digicams are nearly all gone,
because the small cost savings to stay lo rez arent
worth the benefit lost of not having higher rez.  
jco

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On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The price difference in absolute dollars
 between FF and APS has and will continue
 to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the
 benefit/(price difference) ratio will get
 too high to make APS attractive or maybe
 even eventually feasable. Thats why there
 are almost no more 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0 Mp point
 and shoots anymore. Simply not attractive/feasable
 anymore even though still cheaper to make than
 the 4.0 to 10.0 Mp models dominating the market.

The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct resolution
sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by which they
were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in price by at
least the value of area of silicon that they utilize.

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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
  resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
  which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
  price by at least the value of area of silicon that they utilize.

 I estimate that differential to be about 0.32 Ukrainian Coupons.  In other 
 words, about 1/5th of sweet FA.

77mm f1.8 Ltd., that's a sweet FA.

Cheers,

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
 images.

Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.


B.

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Re: Question about DNG

2007-01-02 Thread John Whittingham
  That's odd. I just checked with my installation and a fresh DNG, and
  lens data are recorded. Even for the Sigma EX 70-200.

That's really good to know, I hope mine works the same -:)

 I have 3.0 that does not show Tamron lens data in the Browser while 
 of course other (Pentax) lenses do show fine. I shot some DNG + JPG. 
 No data was recorded in JPG either.

Faulty chip in your lens, maybe?

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Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
  f4 L lens. At 17mm  40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
  treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the lens
  than the camera IMO.


 it tells about the whole system - light leaving lens is hitting sensor under
 steep angle, and microlenses are only able to focus part of this light on the
 silicon. This lens might be perfect on film, but sensor is sensitive to
 qualities that film won't notice.

So I take it your not a fan aft the 35mm full frame DSLR concept.

Cheers,

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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
 resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
 which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
 price by at least the value of area of silicon that they utilize.

Silicon is least part of price, it is yield that matters. And it drops
exponentially with increase of size of sensor, thus making production
expensive. Anyway, the cost should be dropping due to advances in chip
production, but again I do not understand why stop at 24x36mm while 48x36mm is
not really that much more expensive (as we already entered multi-thousand $
price region). There is nothing that makes 24x36mm sweet spot except for
Canon's marketing strategy - they do not exists in MF market segment and using
old lenses is the only upgrade path for their customers. The same logic might
apply to Sony, but it does not to Pentax. Personally, it annoys me that people
see whole DSLR market through pink glass of Canon marketing department. Given
obvious issues with wide lenses and 24x36mm sensor I do not see it as
attractive alternative to APS.

Someone who does not use wide lenses might not care, but given that Pentax offer
is especially strong at the wide end, it should matter for Pentax customers. In
other words, would you buy 24x36mm DLSR from Pentax, if pictures it takes with
your lovely 31/1.8 or 24/2 or 35/2 or 20-35 would look good only in the centre
of frame? I certainly would not. There might be some ways around this problem,
but I do not think it is viable now.


B.

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What tools and/or chemicals do you use?

I've only ever used a blower bulb on my D.

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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 12:59:32 GMT
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: SDHC and card readers?
 
  On 02/01/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Gang,
  
   Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
   work with the new SDHC cards?
 
  If they adhere to the SDHC spec they should read regular SD cards
  without a problem.

 ???  I don't think you answered the question.  Not in any way I can 
 understand, anyway...  8-))

You are correct, I somehow interpreted the question incorrectly.

New short answer: no.

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Re: SDHC and card readers?

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 02:48:22 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: SDHC and card readers?
 
 On 03/01/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 12:59:32 GMT
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
   Subject: Re: SDHC and card readers?
  
   On 02/01/07, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gang,
   
Does anyone know if card readers constructed for plain SD cards will
work with the new SDHC cards?
  
   If they adhere to the SDHC spec they should read regular SD cards
   without a problem.
 
  ???  I don't think you answered the question.  Not in any way I can 
  understand, anyway...  8-))
 
 You are correct, I somehow interpreted the question incorrectly.
 
 New short answer: no.

Got it.


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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bob Shell wrote:
  On Jan 2, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
 
  Which is very, very far from what my education prepared me for...
 
  I wonder how many of us are doing what our education prepared us
  for?  In my case I majored in zoology
 
  Bob

 I have a BS degree in Ecology

That always makes me laugh.

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-02 Thread wendy beard
I usually use a Rocket blower but after a particularly dusty session
in a horse barn  I used a sensor-klear pen after the blower and it
worked really well.
http://www.micro-tools.com/store/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=SK1

On 1/1/07, Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a couple specks of dirt on my sensor that I cannot break free
 with only my blower (brush removed).  I have had this before, and
 persistent blowing removed the speck, but not this time.  A quick
 search on BH showed tools ranging from $10 - $220, and one of my
 local shops charges $60 to do it for me.  What tools and/or chemicals
 do you use?  Are CCD brushes the same thing as the blower brush that I
 use for my lenses?  Thanks.

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Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone who does not use wide lenses might not care, but given that Pentax 
 offer
 is especially strong at the wide end, it should matter for Pentax customers. 
 In
 other words, would you buy 24x36mm DLSR from Pentax, if pictures it takes with
 your lovely 31/1.8 or 24/2 or 35/2 or 20-35 would look good only in the centre
 of frame?

That's what DSLR users are using now anyway.

Cheers,

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OT: Occupations?

2007-01-02 Thread Walter Hamler
Mark Roberts wrote...
I'm a secret agent.
Sorry, I can't tell you any more...

Darn, you beat me to it!  I was going to say I would tell you but then I 
would have to kill you!
Actually, I did spend 27 years in US Navy as a photographer specializing in 
aerial photography.  Then after I retired I went to college to find out what 
I really was supposed to be. Turns out I was best suited to be a Forrest 
Ranger ??? My degree is in Information Systems Management. Go figure!
Moved to FL, built a studio and did weddings and portraits for 15 years, 
then retired for good. Now I just enjoy life, my telescopes,  and Pentaxes!

Walt 


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