Re: TA DA!!!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I presume you have one of the dedicated Pentax flash units, the  
AF540FGZ or AF360FGZ ... ?

The camera fires a pre-flash prior to the mirror lifting to measure  
and integrate flash intensity with ambient light intensity. This is  
how the Pentax P-TTL flash metering system works.

Godfrey


On Mar 10, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Nother subject..kinda. With both the on board and off camera flash, I
> get a flash immediately upon setting off the shutter and another just
> prior to the shutter closing.
> In both cases, is the first flash ONLY an exposure 'communicator' for
> exclusive use by the trailing curtain flash?


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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[John Francis]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:37:58PM -0600, Nick Wright wrote:
> 
> The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
> second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
> to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

I quite agree.  That's why I want a 5fps or better body.  The PZ-1p
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[David Savage]

With the wireless transmitter it's conceivable that the memory card
would never get full.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?
>
> ;-)
>
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Re: PESO: Hard Light, Hard woman (two perspectives)

[Adam Maas]

Leave them, blown highlights that are pulled down just look off.

-Adam


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Compare these if you will. One pic lets the highlights live in their 
> near blown-out natural rendering. The other pulls them down. Version 
> one or version two?
> 
> Version One:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704742
> 
> Version Two:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
> 
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Re: HP source

[Boris Liberman]

Cool!

I wonder what will it look like in 2157 ;-).

Boris

Bob W wrote:
> I walked across Waterloo Bridge today and as usual the view reminded
> me of a picture by Roger Fenton, taken in about 1858 when the House of
> Parliament were under construction. So almost 150 years later, here is
> how the view has changed. 
> 
> This is a flash gallery, to make the comparison easier:
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/HP/
> 
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> 
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

;-)

Boris


Cotty wrote:
> On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
>> it other than to make motion pictures...
> 
> Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
> that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
> panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
> both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
> plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> 
> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
> depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
> and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
> frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
> predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
> be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
> not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
> result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
> this, it's a no-brainer IMO.
> 
> 
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Re: PESO: Hard Light, Hard woman (two perspectives)

[David Savage]

Version 1 gets my vote.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Compare these if you will. One pic lets the highlights live in their
> near blown-out natural rendering. The other pulls them down. Version
> one or version two?
>
> Version One:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704742
>
> Version Two:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
>
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Re: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[Boris Liberman]

Markus, this is really strange. I never found any problems with image 
processing with either Beta or 1.0 release version of LR. It gave me all 
other kinds of head aches, but it processed properly. Though I consider 
an initial settings (or auto mode) to be just a starting point for my 
"journey".

Boris




Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Boris
> when I looked at the Beta the "auto" function was nearly useless and
> overexposed heavily. Of course manual settings work well.
> ACR seems to overexpose less but a bit too for my taste in auto mode,
> anybody knows why?
> What is your experience with Ligthroom?
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Boris Liberman
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:01 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List; PAW Project Discussions
> Subject: Boris (PESO) - week 10
> 
> 
> I am still catching up a bit (w.r.t. to week count).
> 
> This one is fresh out of the oven, so to say. Taken in one of our
> favorite restaurants in Tel Aviv.
> 
> I am really growing to like Adobe Lightroom. This is indeed *exactly*
> what a photog like me needs. Well done, Adobe, worth every penny I paid
> for it.
> 
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16961&full=1
> 
> Please be brutal and honest.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
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Re: PESO: Hard Light, Hard woman (two perspectives)

[P. J. Alling]

I'd go with the first one.  The some of it's highlights may be a bit 
blown, but the second seems a bit lifeless.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Compare these if you will. One pic lets the highlights live in their 
> near blown-out natural rendering. The other pulls them down. Version 
> one or version two?
>
> Version One:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704742
>
> Version Two:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
>
> Paul
>
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Re: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[P. J. Alling]

I didn't see this before, this is a really nice conversion.  Great 
tonality and wonderful subject.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/10/2007 9:08:30 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am still catching up a bit  (w.r.t. to week count).
>
> This one is fresh out of the oven, so to say.  Taken in one of our 
> favorite restaurants in Tel Aviv.
>
> I am really  growing to like Adobe Lightroom. This is indeed *exactly* 
> what a photog like  me needs. Well done, Adobe, worth every penny I paid 
> for  it.
>
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16961&full=1
>
> Please  be brutal and honest.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
>
> ==
> That's a  great shot, Boris. I love his face. It does look like it could be 
> rotated a bit  though. But what a great face. Good eye for spotting him.
>
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PESO - Mustard Vineyard

[Eactivist]

I spotted this on a back road today in Martinez.  (Hey, I took tons of these 
so if someone thinks it needs a better crop or  something just yell).


Obviously they are growing this crop for that  little known delicacy, mustard 
wine.

(In other words, it amused  me.)

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/mustard.htm

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Re: PESO - Mustard Vineyard

[Adam Maas]

Very nice shot, I like the foreground/background contrast here.

-Adam


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I spotted this on a back road today in Martinez.  (Hey, I took tons of these 
> so if someone thinks it needs a better crop or  something just yell).
> 
> 
> Obviously they are growing this crop for that  little known delicacy, mustard 
> wine.
> 
> (In other words, it amused  me.)
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/mustard.htm
> 
> Comments  welcome.
> 
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PESO: Hard Light, Hard woman (two perspectives)

[Paul Stenquist]

Compare these if you will. One pic lets the highlights live in their 
near blown-out natural rendering. The other pulls them down. Version 
one or version two?

Version One:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704742

Version Two:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375

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Re: PESO - Mustard Vineyard

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. Reminds me of some great times in Napa Valley. Well composed 
and well rendered. Excellent.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I spotted this on a back road today in Martinez.  (Hey, I took tons of 
> these
> so if someone thinks it needs a better crop or  something just yell).
>
>
> Obviously they are growing this crop for that  little known delicacy, 
> mustard
> wine.
>
> (In other words, it amused  me.)
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/mustard.htm
>
> Comments  welcome.
>
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Re: PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 7:51:07 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well keep them coming.  I've enjoyed your pic posts. And even when I 
dont' like a photo, I find that  most give me some message or 
information. I don't think I've every posted a  "PAW." I reference a pic 
when I want to. Sometimes I even post a pic that I  consider inferior. 
Just for discussion. It's all about  communicating.
Paul

===
Yes, nothing personal, Paul (re your  feedback). I think the PAW format is, 
hmmm, too drawing between the lines for  me. :-) Some weeks I may have 
something I like, some not. I was thinking about  it, I need to feel sort of 
engaged 
with the subject matter to arrive at "good"  shot. And I can't guarantee that I 
will (since I don't shoot people) find some  subject that will really engage 
me each week. I may try, but I may not find it.  

In other words, what works for some doesn't necessarily work for  others.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  Much happier that I've given the idea  up. But I have 
learned something about the way I shoot, and that is  enlightening.  

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Re: PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Paul Stenquist]

Well keep them coming. I've enjoyed your pic posts. And even when I 
dont' like a photo, I find that most give me some message or 
information. I don't think I've every posted a "PAW." I reference a pic 
when I want to. Sometimes I even post a pic that I consider inferior. 
Just for discussion. It's all about communicating.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> After just two PAWS I have decided to skip the  idea. With PESOs I 
> just throw
> up what I feel are my good shots. With PAWs I may  not have a good 
> shot that
> week and showing "bad shots" or "mediocre shots"  bothers me. Also it 
> starts
> feeling like work and not fun. So back to just PESOs.  It doesn't, 
> however,
> mean that I won't be shooting more, I will. I am just going  to remove 
> any
> pressure from myself of having to have one good shot a week. Heck,  
> lots of times I
> totally scrap a whole day's shooting (i.e. never show any of  it).
>
> Thanks for bearing with my very short term experiment, Marnie aka  Doe 
> :-)
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Re: PESO: Hard light, hard woman

[David Savage]

Great face, but I find the grey highlights (particularly on her cheek)
unnatural looking.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I added a few more pics to my "It Happened on Woodward" gallery today.
> This is probably my favorite of the new images. Shot this afternoon.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
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Re: PESO: Hard light, hard woman

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Marnie. Good point about the white at bottom of frame. I think 
I'll just bring it down rather than change the crop. Good feedback. 
Appreciated.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 3/10/2007 5:59:53 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I added a few more  pics to my "It Happened on Woodward" gallery today.
> This is probably my  favorite of the new images. Shot this  afternoon.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
> Paul
>
> ===
> Another  great face. All that white at the bottom bothers me a bit 
> though.
> When I rolled  the page up and down, I thought a tighter crop, around 
> about mid
> upper arm,  would work better. But up to you. Nice capture.
>
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Re: PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Eactivist]

After just two PAWS I have decided to skip the  idea. With PESOs I just throw 
up what I feel are my good shots. With PAWs I may  not have a good shot that 
week and showing "bad shots" or "mediocre shots"  bothers me. Also it starts 
feeling like work and not fun. So back to just PESOs.  It doesn't, however, 
mean that I won't be shooting more, I will. I am just going  to remove any 
pressure from myself of having to have one good shot a week. Heck,  lots of 
times I 
totally scrap a whole day's shooting (i.e. never show any of  it).

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Re: Goodbye winter

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 12:27:25 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20070130154732
^^^ Had enough of  the snow and cold already, now happy to say goodbye 
winter, as days are warm  and snow is gone by now. In memory of those 
sunny cold  days.

=
The colors are too harsh for me, otherwise it  works.

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 12:55:05 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Went back to the  wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one 
was so intent on  feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there 
is a small fish in  its beak.
K10D, 50~200 @  200.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg

Walt  

==
That is lovely. Great shot. Everything works for  me.

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Re: PESO: Hard light, hard woman

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 5:59:53 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I added a few more  pics to my "It Happened on Woodward" gallery today. 
This is probably my  favorite of the new images. Shot this  afternoon.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
Paul

===
Another  great face. All that white at the bottom bothers me a bit though. 
When I rolled  the page up and down, I thought a tighter crop, around about mid 
upper arm,  would work better. But up to you. Nice capture.

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Re: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 9:08:30 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am still catching up a bit  (w.r.t. to week count).

This one is fresh out of the oven, so to say.  Taken in one of our 
favorite restaurants in Tel Aviv.

I am really  growing to like Adobe Lightroom. This is indeed *exactly* 
what a photog like  me needs. Well done, Adobe, worth every penny I paid 
for  it.

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16961&full=1

Please  be brutal and honest.

Thanks.

Boris

==
That's a  great shot, Boris. I love his face. It does look like it could be 
rotated a bit  though. But what a great face. Good eye for spotting him.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)  

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Re: Goodbye winter

[David Savage]

I quite like this one, but it's a little over saturated IMO.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20070130154732
> ^^^ Had enough of the snow and cold already, now happy to say goodbye
> winter, as days are warm and snow is gone by now. In memory of those
> sunny cold days.
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[P. J. Alling]

I wasn't referring to it's looks either.

Joseph Tainter wrote:
> This particular colleague wouldn't have been concerned about that. 
> Besides, I suspect that the aircraft is not being marketed on looks.
>
> Joe
>
> -
>
> At the risk of offending the French Aerospace industry, isn't it?
>
> Joseph Tainter wrote:
>  >  > It's this big:
>  >  >
>  >  > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
>  >  >
>  >
>  > It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
>  > launcher.
>  >
>  > -
>  >
>  > Without the hood it looks a little like the Airbus A380...which a
>  > colleague said reminded him of a French pig.
>  >
>  > Joe
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[David Savage]

That would be the sanitised, G rated, version. :-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> big foto lens?
>
> On 3/10/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 3/11/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > William Robb wrote:
> > > > It's this big:
> > > >
> > > > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
> > > >
> > >
> > > It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
> > > launcher.
> >
> > In certan video games it'd be called a B.F.L.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave

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Re: Off camera flash K10D

[Bruce Dayton]

I have tried what you said, just to see if it works and it does, but I
don't really shoot that way.  I mostly do this to put the flash on a
bracket.  This gets rid of redeye problems and keeping the shadows
behind the subject rather than to the side.  Mostly weddings and
events when I have to deal with portable light.

If I am doing more controlled lighting, then I would use my Alien Bees
(monolights) with umbrellas and stands.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:44:09 PM, you wrote:

DJB> Bruce.

DJB> Is this with the AF360FGZ off camera and 1 on camera, or just linkd
DJB> for side lighting with the cable

DJB> Dave

DJB> On 3/10/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> If it helps, I have been using two Adapter F's and 5p cable between an
>> AF360FGZ and MZ-S, *istD and K10D with no problems.  So you should be
>> just fine.  That is exactly what they are designed for.
>>
>> --
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>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Saturday, March 10, 2007, 7:16:55 AM, you wrote:
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>> JW> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:09:47 +0900, David Savage wrote
>> >> On 3/10/07, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > Thanks John, what's the difference between F and FG? more clearance for
>> JW> the
>> >> > built in flash?
>> >>
>> >> Pretty much.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the Hot Shoe F
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> ...and the Hot Shoe Fg
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> With the hot shoe F you can't open the onboard flash far enough for
>> >> it to be fired..
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>>
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>> JW> thought I might enable myself, I wanted to be sure it would work with the
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Bruce Dayton]

Guess I should chime in a bit here.  I just got back from shooting
little league baseball.  I do set the K10D to continuous but rarely
machine gun.  Pretty much I do that when I want an actual sequence of
shots rather than just trying to get the 'moment' - like a slide into
2nd or 3rd or a pitcher in windup and throwing.  The concept there is
that most of the frames are good rather than boring or throwaway.

However, I will say that there have been many times especially
shooting something less predictable like soccer where I have missed
the moment partly because I never really saw the moment.  I could see
sometimes getting an interesting shot in the bunch by machine gunning
in the thick of the action.

I don't shoot that way, but can see some logic in it.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:37:25 PM, you wrote:


GD> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

>> Good point.
>> ...
>> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
>> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
>> old,
>> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
>> focus confirmation beeps etc.

GD> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
GD> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
GD> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
GD> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
GD> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

>> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
>> but it
>> depends on the situation, surely.  ...

GD> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
GD> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
GD> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

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Re: PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/10/2007 5:59:27 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is an interesting  subject, but it cries out to be perfectly 
symmetrical. IMHO, once an image  is close to perfectly symmetrical, you 
have to nail it. Otherwise it looks  like a miss. You can't make this 
perfect in that regard, but you can come  damn close by rotating it a 
wee bit counterclockwise and cropping to equal  the show of brick on 
each side.
Paul

===
It was all  crooked -- the top, the steps, etc. It was an old building not 
aligned. So I  chose to make the "floor", the bottom of the green part, the 
line 
there,  level.

In other words, it looks okay to me.

Thanks for your input,  Paul.

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> stamps,  but
> they don't seem to be open the usual PO hours. It is in a  warehouse  
> (built
> 1886, first fireproof building in the  county) that once stored wheat 
> for
> shipping. But the PO also  appears to have been there a long time.
>
> However, its PO boxes  are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 
>   :-)
>
>  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/PAWMarch5.htm
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

I tend to shoot single frames. Continuous mode doesn't require 
spray-and-pray shooting, although it's difficult no to if the camera is 
setup for 8fps (That's actually one reason I don't want a high fps 
camera, the other being the inherent audible noise, my 10D is rather 
quiet compared to a 20D, let alone a 1D).

-Adam


Nick Wright wrote:
> I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
> frames per second.
> 
> And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
> frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
> is improving because of it.
> 
> Take the following example:
> In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
> game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 "keepers." Now in single
> frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
> keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
> act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
> wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.
> 
> Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
> with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
> too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
> of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
> bit too late.
> 
> The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
> second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
> to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.
> 
> On 3/10/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
>>>
 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.
>>> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
>>> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
>>> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
>>> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
>>> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.
>> Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
>> is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
>> just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
>> MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
>> 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
>> extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
>> left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
>> continuous to be left on.
>>
 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...
>>> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
>>> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
>>> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>> Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
>> Cotty's shooting.
>>
>> -Adam
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Nick Wright]

I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
frames per second.

And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
is improving because of it.

Take the following example:
In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 "keepers." Now in single
frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.

Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
bit too late.

The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

On 3/10/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
> >
> >> Good point.
> >> ...
> >> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> >> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
> >> old,
> >> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> >> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> >
> > Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
> > K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
> > unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
> > responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
> > always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.
>
> Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
> is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
> just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
> MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
> 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
> extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
> left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
> continuous to be left on.
>
> >
> >> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
> >> but it
> >> depends on the situation, surely.  ...
> >
> > Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
> > work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
> > makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
> >
> > Godfrey
>
> Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
> Cotty's shooting.
>
> -Adam
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RE: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Kenneth
I just downloaded some help PDF files from Adobe and one is dealing with the
color spaces and printing.
It's called "phscs2ip_reproprep.pdf".

Since you never know how helpful the printing house will be and what
conversion services they offer, I will make sure :-)

greetings
Markus

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Kenneth Waller
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:40 AM
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The one outfit I've dealt with took RGB.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash


>I haven't dealt with calendar printers. But both Ken Waller and Annsan
> have printed calendars, perhaps they will respond. The printed NY Times
> pic was very close to what I saw on the monitor in regard to color.
> Their web version was a bit oversaturated. I sent tham Adobe 98 files.
> Paul
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul
>> have you dealt with  printing houses too like I would have for the
>> calendar?
>> As far as I know they print in CMYK.
>> How much did your newspaper published photos differ in color from your
>> monitor/printer output? Just darker or did colors change somehow too
>> beside
>> less brilliance?
>> greetings
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:52 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash
>>
>>
>> I haven't tried printing from srgb. I get good results with Adobe 98,
>> so I'm happy. I have converted files to srgb for minlab processing.
>> That seems to work fine.
>> Paul
>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul
>>> I assume your Epson 2200/2400 works with sRGB too? Most "consumer"
>>> scanner
>>> or print equipment does, right?
>>> Have you ever tried comparing different color spaces on high end
>>> printers?
>>> I wonder how much I would loose --> in print  <-- with typical
>>> mountain
>>> landscapes if I switch everything to sRGB.
>>>
>>>  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/prophoto-rgb.shtml shows
>>> quite
>>> a loss with sRGB but I'm a bit afraid of managing "inivisible" colors
>>> on my
>>> monitor
>>>
>>> greetings
>>> Markus
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>> Paul Stenquist
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:41 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, most minilab processors are set up for srgb.
>>> Paul
>>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Bill Owens wrote:
>>>
 When I worked in a lab using a Fuji processor, adobe RGB gave me a
 terrible
 blue cast.  Switching to sRGB fixed the problem.  This was with the
 IstD

 Bill

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of
 Markus Maurer
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:43 PM
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 Subject: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash

 Hi Pentaxians
 still struggling on the new digital way I made this first flash shot
 with
 the AF280T in auto mode and bounced to the wall on the K10D
 set at ISO 100 and F5.6 of "Leo Leu Lowenzahn". I cropped it a bit
 and
 sharpened in Photoshop but I'm still unable to set the tonal range as
 good
 in the
 raw converter as in Photoshop. That will have too wait a bit too.
 Experimenting with Adobe RGB, sRGB and ProPhotoRGB color space
 settings
 leaves me confused enough for today. Too much reading
 I will have to go out tomorrow for some close-ups, that little
 18-55mm
 Kit
 lens will come handy for some first landscape test shots.

 http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/leoleu1.jpg

 greetings
 Markus




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Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[John Francis]

That's not surprising.  You were almost certainly putting
extra stress on it to avoid using the bad knee; when you
stop doing that it feels much better.

My wife has a scar closer to 12" than your 5" one, but
her doctor took the opportunity to straighten up the
angle of the joint as well.  He's also a specialist in
this kind of operation - he learned his trade at Walter
Reed, where they do quite a lot of reconstructive surgery.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 11:50:02AM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> Thanks John, thanks encouraging to hear.
> It's kind of funny now, but the left knee also feels so much better now than 
> it did before the surgery.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?
> 
> 
> >
> > My wife had a knee replacement a couple of years ago.
> > Your timetable sounds slightly more agressive than hers,
> > but you were probably in better shape to start with.
> >
> > In a couple of months you'll be asking yourself "why
> > didn't I have this done earlier?", as you'll already be
> > much better than you were before the operation.  And it
> > will only improve.  After a year you'll be amazed.
> >
> > The one drawback is that you'll begin to realize that
> > perhaps the other knee isn't as good as it could be ...
> > (My wife will probably need to get hip replacements, too).
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 10:32:54AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >> Good luck with that, Ken!
> >>
> >> Several folks in my circle of friends have been through similar, with
> >> mostly excellent results. I'll need a new hip someday myself, I know
> >> that. Take care of it and get well quickly!
> >>
> >> Godfrey
> >>
> >> On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >>
> >> > After hobbling around for the last several months on a bum right
> >> > knee, I
> >> > finally had a complete new knew installed Monday morning. I figured
> >> > if I
> >> > didn't get the knee, I'd probably never use the 600 again. I knew I
> >> > had to
> >> > do something when I had to cancel a fall shoot in the Upper
> >> > Peninsula of
> >> > Michigan.
> >> >
> >> > Everything went well & I was home by Wednesday morning with the
> >> > makings of a
> >> > fine 5 inch scar & some more reasons not to sail by airport security.
> >> > The Dr. I chose does around 800 of these a year (with his two
> >> > assistants) -
> >> > he does the actual installation.
> >> >
> >> > Should be back to some semblance of normalcy in around 4 to 6
> >> > weeks. The Dr.
> >> > is a sports medicine orthopedic & believes in very aggressive
> >> > therapy. I had
> >> > 4 pre operation therapy sessions and will start next week on 3 a week
> >> > sessions. I was up & walking within 4 hours of the surgery.
> >> >
> >> > Kenneth Waller
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
> 
>> Good point.
>> ...
>> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
>> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
>> old,
>> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
>> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> 
> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which 
is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is 
just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a 
MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 
2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the 
extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I 
left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for 
continuous to be left on.

> 
>> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
>> but it
>> depends on the situation, surely.  ...
> 
> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
> 
> Godfrey

Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what 
Cotty's shooting.

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Christian]

P. J. Alling wrote:
> They live in New England as well.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_withfurtheregret.html

Yeah, I wasn't sure how far North they lived and didn't have my bird 
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Re: Another Birdy

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ken. When you get your legs back, we have to spend some time in 
the woods.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Nice work Paul, I'd accept this anyday.
> A little soft & noticeably nosey, but like
> I said I'd take it.
>
> Nice subject, pose & composition with the pine bough to add a little 
> more
> than a blank screen.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Another Birdy
>
>
>> I'm taking up way too much bandwidth, but I'm very recently unemployed
>> (thank you Ford for going in the toilet) and have nothing else to do.
>> (More on that some other time.) Anyway, PESOs are better than silly
>> flame wars. Here's another one from the nature center. It's a male
>> house finch. I cheated and used a monopod. The flash fired this time 
>> as
>> well (AF 540 FGZ with Kirk Xtender in high speed synch mode). ISO 800,
>> f5.6 @ 1/800th. K10D with A-400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. Fun in the
>> forest.
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700067&size=lg
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Re: Shot another innocent little bird.

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for looking, Ken. Appreciate the feedback.
On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Doesn't appear as sharp as your previous post, same subject.
> Head down strike me as odd for some reason - go figure.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: BAM: Shot another innocent little bird.
>
>
>> Scored another nuthatch. This guy was in deep, dark  doodoo and was
>> shot at 1/125th off the monopod. F8, ISO 800. Flash must have helped.
>> SR as well. Luck too. Again, the A 400/5.6 plus the A 2X-S converter.
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700119
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Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[Kenneth Waller]

> Are you still planning GFM?
Yep, it was all part of the equation.

Had to put it off to protect for a trial I had scheduled in January, but 
when that got continued to mid March, I said the hell with the trial & went 
ahead with the knee to protect for GFM>

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?


> Hope healing goes well Ken.
>
> You could always trade in that cane for the sigma one.:-)
>
> Are you still planning GFM?
>
> Dave
>
> On 3/10/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Did they replace both condyles or one?
>>
>> Had to look up the meaning of condyle - Har !
>> He replaced both - it was a total knee replacement. X rays showed no
>> clearance between them, I was just grinding them away.
>> He called it minimally invasive surgery. Without complications he could 
>> have
>> done the whole thing in 40 minutes, leaving a 4" scar. I had some
>> complications with the knee cap resulting in a longer time period & a 
>> longer
>> scar.
>>
>> > I may be facing this sometime too.
>>
>> Make sure you get someone who is aggressive with the therapy & does alot 
>> of
>> them.
>>
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Subject: Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?
>>
>>
>> > "After hobbling around for the last several months on a bum right knee,
>> > I finally had a complete new knew installed Monday morning."
>> >
>> > You sound okay, Ken. Glad to hear it. Did they replace both condyles or
>> > one?
>> >
>> > I may be facing this sometime too.
>> >
>> > Joe


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Re: PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Paul Stenquist]

This is an interesting subject, but it cries out to be perfectly 
symmetrical. IMHO, once an image is close to perfectly symmetrical, you 
have to nail it. Otherwise it looks like a miss. You can't make this 
perfect in that regard, but you can come damn close by rotating it a 
wee bit counterclockwise and cropping to equal the show of brick on 
each side.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Normally I will post on Sunday, but I have this  ready today.
>
> Week of March 4-March 11. Nothing super special. I had two  runners up 
> that
> actually might be more interesting, but in each case when I got  home 
> and at
> looked at the pics I realized I had missed the mark. Just missed the  
> mark. I
> analyzed each to figure out why and learned something. Well, that is 
> why  I am
> doing this right? To practice and to learn. So it was disappointing but
> enlightening.
>
> And I have another pic that I probably like better than  this one, 
> which I
> will show later as a PESO.
>
> So I feel this is just a  workman like, er workwoman, like shot.
>
> But I do like the colors and the  implied commentary on small town 
> life.
>
> I visited Port Costa, the smallest  town in Contra Costa County. Small 
> as in
> the population seems to be about 150  people. Way, way back when it 
> was a
> thriving port town (Carquinez Straight), but  it hasn't been a port 
> for a long
> time. Definitely a one horse town:  one  small main street, about six 
> crumbling
> buildings, and only two really used --  for restaurants. And it is off 
> the
> beaten track and a bit hard to get  to.
>
> The town's Post Office has a small room one can go into to buy  
> stamps, but
> they don't seem to be open the usual PO hours. It is in a warehouse  
> (built
> 1886, first fireproof building in the county) that once stored wheat 
> for
> shipping. But the PO also appears to have been there a long time.
>
> However, its PO boxes are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 
>  :-)
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/PAWMarch5.htm
>
> Comments  welcome.
>
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[Kenneth Waller]

> That's just ridiculous.

Only if you have to carry it!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?


> On 10/3/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>>It's this big:
>>
>>http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
> 
> That's just ridiculous.
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Re: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Kenneth Waller]

Nice capture Walter.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Walter Hamler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)


> Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one
> was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there
> is a small fish in its beak.
> K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg
>
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PESO: Hard light, hard woman

[Paul Stenquist]

I added a few more pics to my "It Happened on Woodward" gallery today. 
This is probably my favorite of the new images. Shot this afternoon.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5704375
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Re: Another Birdy

[Kenneth Waller]

Nice work Paul, I'd accept this anyday.
A little soft & noticeably nosey, but like
I said I'd take it.

Nice subject, pose & composition with the pine bough to add a little more 
than a blank screen.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Another Birdy


> I'm taking up way too much bandwidth, but I'm very recently unemployed
> (thank you Ford for going in the toilet) and have nothing else to do.
> (More on that some other time.) Anyway, PESOs are better than silly
> flame wars. Here's another one from the nature center. It's a male
> house finch. I cheated and used a monopod. The flash fired this time as
> well (AF 540 FGZ with Kirk Xtender in high speed synch mode). ISO 800,
> f5.6 @ 1/800th. K10D with A-400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. Fun in the
> forest.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700067&size=lg


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Re: Shot another innocent little bird.

[Kenneth Waller]

Doesn't appear as sharp as your previous post, same subject.
Head down strike me as odd for some reason - go figure.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BAM: Shot another innocent little bird.


> Scored another nuthatch. This guy was in deep, dark  doodoo and was 
> shot at 1/125th off the monopod. F8, ISO 800. Flash must have helped. 
> SR as well. Luck too. Again, the A 400/5.6 plus the A 2X-S converter.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700119


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Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash

[Kenneth Waller]

The one outfit I've dealt with took RGB.

Kenneth Waller
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash


>I haven't dealt with calendar printers. But both Ken Waller and Annsan 
> have printed calendars, perhaps they will respond. The printed NY Times 
> pic was very close to what I saw on the monitor in regard to color. 
> Their web version was a bit oversaturated. I sent tham Adobe 98 files.
> Paul
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Paul
>> have you dealt with  printing houses too like I would have for the 
>> calendar?
>> As far as I know they print in CMYK.
>> How much did your newspaper published photos differ in color from your
>> monitor/printer output? Just darker or did colors change somehow too 
>> beside
>> less brilliance?
>> greetings
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:52 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash
>>
>>
>> I haven't tried printing from srgb. I get good results with Adobe 98,
>> so I'm happy. I have converted files to srgb for minlab processing.
>> That seems to work fine.
>> Paul
>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul
>>> I assume your Epson 2200/2400 works with sRGB too? Most "consumer"
>>> scanner
>>> or print equipment does, right?
>>> Have you ever tried comparing different color spaces on high end
>>> printers?
>>> I wonder how much I would loose --> in print  <-- with typical 
>>> mountain
>>> landscapes if I switch everything to sRGB.
>>>
>>>  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/prophoto-rgb.shtml shows
>>> quite
>>> a loss with sRGB but I'm a bit afraid of managing "inivisible" colors
>>> on my
>>> monitor
>>>
>>> greetings
>>> Markus
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>> Paul Stenquist
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:41 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, most minilab processors are set up for srgb.
>>> Paul
>>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Bill Owens wrote:
>>>
 When I worked in a lab using a Fuji processor, adobe RGB gave me a
 terrible
 blue cast.  Switching to sRGB fixed the problem.  This was with the
 IstD

 Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of
 Markus Maurer
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:43 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PESO:just a first K10D test photo with flash

 Hi Pentaxians
 still struggling on the new digital way I made this first flash shot
 with
 the AF280T in auto mode and bounced to the wall on the K10D
 set at ISO 100 and F5.6 of "Leo Leu Lowenzahn". I cropped it a bit 
 and
 sharpened in Photoshop but I'm still unable to set the tonal range as
 good
 in the
 raw converter as in Photoshop. That will have too wait a bit too.
 Experimenting with Adobe RGB, sRGB and ProPhotoRGB color space
 settings
 leaves me confused enough for today. Too much reading
 I will have to go out tomorrow for some close-ups, that little 
 18-55mm
 Kit
 lens will come handy for some first landscape test shots.

 http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/leoleu1.jpg

 greetings
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Re: I'm Back!

[Kenneth Waller]

WOW ! sounds like you're doing well considering.

Hope you  get back to 100% soon.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: I'm Back!


> You folks haven't heard from me for several months (and a good thing too,
> some will say). I was in a motorcycle accident. I was in the #2 lane on 
> the
> 22 fwy in Garden Grove CA at rush hour when guy clipped me from behind at
> about 50 mph. I bounced off two SUV's and landed in the #1 lane where a
> light pickup ran over the left side of my body. Left shoulder broken in 
> two
> places, left forearm broken in two places, 4 broken ribs, broken left 
> femur,
> broken left hip, left hip socket busted into small pieces and pelvis 
> broken
> in two. Intensive care for 2 months, formal rehab for a month and a half 
> and
> now continued rehab at home. I have more high-tech metal in me than the 6
> Million Dollar Man! I finally got my weight bearing on my left leg to 100%
> and threw away the walker and got a cane. That walker made me look like 
> such
> a geezer! Progress is slow but continuing forward. I almost have enough
> strength back in my left leg to get my bike off the kick stand!
>
> I broke down and bought a K10D last week. It's fun, but I'm still pissed
> that the format isn't 24x36. It's going to take me about a month to learn
> how to use all the little beastie has to offer.
>
> Regards,
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Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[Kenneth Waller]

Thanks John, thanks encouraging to hear.
It's kind of funny now, but the left knee also feels so much better now than 
it did before the surgery.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?


>
> My wife had a knee replacement a couple of years ago.
> Your timetable sounds slightly more agressive than hers,
> but you were probably in better shape to start with.
>
> In a couple of months you'll be asking yourself "why
> didn't I have this done earlier?", as you'll already be
> much better than you were before the operation.  And it
> will only improve.  After a year you'll be amazed.
>
> The one drawback is that you'll begin to realize that
> perhaps the other knee isn't as good as it could be ...
> (My wife will probably need to get hip replacements, too).
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 10:32:54AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Good luck with that, Ken!
>>
>> Several folks in my circle of friends have been through similar, with
>> mostly excellent results. I'll need a new hip someday myself, I know
>> that. Take care of it and get well quickly!
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>
>> > After hobbling around for the last several months on a bum right
>> > knee, I
>> > finally had a complete new knew installed Monday morning. I figured
>> > if I
>> > didn't get the knee, I'd probably never use the 600 again. I knew I
>> > had to
>> > do something when I had to cancel a fall shoot in the Upper
>> > Peninsula of
>> > Michigan.
>> >
>> > Everything went well & I was home by Wednesday morning with the
>> > makings of a
>> > fine 5 inch scar & some more reasons not to sail by airport security.
>> > The Dr. I chose does around 800 of these a year (with his two
>> > assistants) -
>> > he does the actual installation.
>> >
>> > Should be back to some semblance of normalcy in around 4 to 6
>> > weeks. The Dr.
>> > is a sports medicine orthopedic & believes in very aggressive
>> > therapy. I had
>> > 4 pre operation therapy sessions and will start next week on 3 a week
>> > sessions. I was up & walking within 4 hours of the surgery.
>> >
>> > Kenneth Waller


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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[Joseph Tainter]

This particular colleague wouldn't have been concerned about that. 
Besides, I suspect that the aircraft is not being marketed on looks.

Joe

-

At the risk of offending the French Aerospace industry, isn't it?

Joseph Tainter wrote:
 >  > It's this big:
 >  >
 >  > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
 >  >
 >
 > It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
 > launcher.
 >
 > -
 >
 > Without the hood it looks a little like the Airbus A380...which a
 > colleague said reminded him of a French pig.
 >
 > Joe

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PAW - 24/7 Post Office

[Eactivist]

Normally I will post on Sunday, but I have this  ready today.

Week of March 4-March 11. Nothing super special. I had two  runners up that 
actually might be more interesting, but in each case when I got  home and at 
looked at the pics I realized I had missed the mark. Just missed the  mark. I 
analyzed each to figure out why and learned something. Well, that is why  I am 
doing this right? To practice and to learn. So it was disappointing but  
enlightening.

And I have another pic that I probably like better than  this one, which I 
will show later as a PESO.

So I feel this is just a  workman like, er workwoman, like shot. 

But I do like the colors and the  implied commentary on small town life.

I visited Port Costa, the smallest  town in Contra Costa County. Small as in 
the population seems to be about 150  people. Way, way back when it was a 
thriving port town (Carquinez Straight), but  it hasn't been a port for a long 
time. Definitely a one horse town:  one  small main street, about six crumbling 
buildings, and only two really used --  for restaurants. And it is off the 
beaten track and a bit hard to get  to.

The town's Post Office has a small room one can go into to buy  stamps, but 
they don't seem to be open the usual PO hours. It is in a warehouse  (built 
1886, first fireproof building in the county) that once stored wheat for  
shipping. But the PO also appears to have been there a long time.  

However, its PO boxes are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week.  :-)

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Re: Lightroom (was RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

As I said before, no "Automatic" adjustment mode works well for exposures that 
are not *mostly* average in my opinion. 

The adjustments for some of my "Neighborhood Details" photos are pretty simple 
and Auto was pretty close. Others required more adjustment than Auto can do. 

I never use Auto in general. Sometimes I click on it to see what LR or ACR 
might do, but most of the time it's not of much use to me. I want to see the 
exposures I make with a set of 'zero' adjustments so I can compare them prior 
to any adjustment. 

Godfrey

 
On Saturday, March 10, 2007, at 03:34PM, "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>Hi Godrey
>nearly all of my close-up flower test shots got heavily overexposed in
>Lightroom's auto mode.
>But then, the background was about 2/3 and quite dark on some of them and
>only the main flower is bright.
>Lightroom seems to look at the overall brightness and not weighting the
>center more and corrects too much because of the dark backgound.
>Did Lightroom handle your "minimalistic" neighbourhood photos right? Maybe
>it's just too much demanding from an automatic, but I think
>it could avoid burned out highlights at least since it has that information.
>
>greetings
>Markus
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>Godfrey DiGiorgi
>Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:32 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Boris (PESO) - week 10
>
>
>As a test, I selected about 100 random RAW exposures of all sorts of
>scenes from both the K10D and *ist DS that I hadn't looked at before,
>brought them into the Develop module, selected them all and turned on
>Auto Sync. I clicked on the Auto button in the Basic panel. In a
>moment or three, most were well within the bounds of what I'd
>consider normal for Auto settings ... a couple overexposed, a couple
>under, but most reasonably presentable. Only two or three I'd
>consider perfectly done.
>
>I did the same in Camera Raw v3.7 and got virtually identical results.
>
>I don't know why your results would be different.
>
>G
>
>On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>
>> But the auto settings in Photoshop are never so much off as the
>> auto setting
>> in lightroom and some of them work quite often well for me.
>> Lightroom overexposed so much, there can't be any deep analysis at
>> all and I
>> think it's one of the things they have to correct for the next
>> version.
>> greetings
>> Markus
>
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RE: easier handling of drive letters under Windows

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Marnie

open the sample ini file and set
"NoMediaNoLetter=1"


and for ex. :

[DriveLetters]
Letter1=X
Letter2=Y
Letter3=Z

save it as "usbdml.ini" in the same directory as the tool and stop/restart
the service with the supplied commands or run _install.cmd  if you haven't
before.

It works great here.
greetings
Markus



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Subject: Re: easier handling of drive letters under Windows


In a message dated 3/10/2007 4:47:19 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Marnie and all  others

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

has a tool to handle  empty drives and drive letters under Windows.
Especially useful for  multimedia readers assigning more than one  drive
letter.

greetings
Markus


=
Hmmm, nifty.  Thanks Markus.

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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[P. J. Alling]

I always think of DOOM where it would be the B. F. G.

Christian wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
>   
>> On 3/11/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> William Robb wrote:
>>>   
 It's this big:

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg

 
>>> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
>>> launcher.
>>>   
>> In certan video games it'd be called a B.F.L.
>>
>> 
>
> That's what I was thinking...  Ahh the old Quake II days...
>
>
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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[P. J. Alling]

They live in New England as well.

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_withfurtheregret.html

Christian wrote:
> Walter Hamler wrote:
>   
>> Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one 
>> was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there 
>> is a small fish in its beak.
>> K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
>>
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg
>>
>> Walt 
>>
>>
>> 
>
> Pretty bird.  It's a great egret.  Easily identifiable by the big yellow 
> bill, black legs (not seen here) and the greenish face in breeding 
> plumage.  They live up in the mid-atlantic states too.  BTW, where do 
> you live, Walt?
>
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[Christian]

David Savage wrote:
> On 3/11/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> William Robb wrote:
>>> It's this big:
>>>
>>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
>>>
>> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
>> launcher.
> 
> In certan video games it'd be called a B.F.L.
> 

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Re: easier handling of drive letters under Windows

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In a message dated 3/10/2007 4:47:19 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Hi Marnie and all  others

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

has a tool to handle  empty drives and drive letters under Windows.
Especially useful for  multimedia readers assigning more than one  drive
letter.

greetings
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[Christian]

Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> -
> 
> Without the hood it looks a little like the Airbus A380...which a 
> colleague said reminded him of a French pig.

The naturescapes.net guys are calling it "pigma"

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Christian]

Walter Hamler wrote:
> Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one 
> was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there 
> is a small fish in its beak.
> K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
> 
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg
> 
> Walt 
> 
> 

Pretty bird.  It's a great egret.  Easily identifiable by the big yellow 
bill, black legs (not seen here) and the greenish face in breeding 
plumage.  They live up in the mid-atlantic states too.  BTW, where do 
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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Christian]

Walter Hamler wrote:
> "It's a "Great Egret", I think."
> 
> Thanks. I didn't know for sure.
> Have you ever seen or heard of a KaraKara? They are a bird of prey, sorta 
> like an Eagle, not quite as big. Has a hair do that make him look like Elvis 
> on a "bad hair day"!
> There was one in a tree, but way too far for my 200mm. Some Canon shooters 
> were there with the big guns, 600mm, 2X and one had an 800mm I believe. The 
> viewfinder image was nice, but the bird was looking backwards 90% of the 
> time.
> 
> Walt 
> 
> 

Crested Caracaras are very pretty birds of prey.  Pretty much only down 
in the southern states and Mexico.  Hopefully I'll see them in Texas 
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[Markus Maurer]

Hi Marnie and all others

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

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Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[Doug Franklin]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> I keep reminding her that in all my years of motorcycle roadracing
> I never injured myself anywhere nearly as badly as she's done
> falling off horses.

Do /not/ pull the lioness' tail. :-)

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RE: K10D - Flash Mode

[Jens Bladt]

True - great idea.
Since I dont have a P-TTL flash yet, I'll stick to the first solution.
Thanks

Jens Bladt

http://www.jensbladt.dk
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+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:56:14PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote:
> I get your point about the trailing curtain, John. But I normally don't
want
> motion blur at all. So,  I set the shutter speed in order to freeze
(rather
> slow) motion - anyway as long as I'm not using manual mode, the camera
will
> not allow shutter speeds longer than perhaps 1/20 sec. - depending on the
> focal length of the lens I am using (in order to make the camera hand
> holdable). I don't believe these lower speeds get any lower due to SR?
>
> I want to make the most of the available light. Pictures made in total
> darkness with a flash are not my cup of tea. The flash only freezes motion
> in total darkness - in principle. So, the 1/1 sec. issue is of no
> importance to me.
>
> So, I want the shutterpeed as slow as posible, without getting (to much)
> motion blur.
> I'd love to have a flsh progrm, that would mesure the available light and
> then ad one stop for the falsh - this wasy the available light would only
> "underexpose) the image by one stop. This mode is actually an "inverse
fill
> flash program".
> regards
>
> Jens Bladt

That ought to be easy enough; set the camera to under-expose by one stop
in manual exposure mode as if no flash were there, and set the flash to
one stop of underexposure as well.  That will give you distant objects
underexposed by one stop, but foreground objects exposed correctly.

I'd also try leaving the camera in a programmed exposure mode, and
simply dialing in one stop of negative flash compensation.  That
should, in theory, come pretty close to what you want.


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RE: K10D - Flash Mode

[Jens Bladt]

No, not like this. They're quite nice, though.

Jens Bladt

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On 10/3/07, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So, I want the shutterpeed as slow as posible, without getting (to much)
>motion blur.

So not like this then ;-)



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PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Walter Hamler]

http://www.peregrinefund.org/Explore_Raptors/falcons/crstcara.html

This might help.

Walt

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RE: Is high ISO noise lens dependent too?

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Walt
not as far as I can see, the noise is overall. But I will have to test again
and of course at 100% on a 21 CRT a lot looks grainy which may print just
fine :-)
greetings
Markus


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Don't know the answer for sure, but I have noticed that views with a large
expanse of OOF background tends to show noise more so than with sharp
backgrounds. Is that perhaps what you are seeing?

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Re: TA DA!!!

[Jack Davis]

Nother subject..kinda. With both the on board and off camera flash, I
get a flash immediately upon setting off the shutter and another just
prior to the shutter closing.
In both cases, is the first flash ONLY an exposure 'communicator' for
exclusive use by the trailing curtain flash?

Jack
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> >
> > ==
> > Yes, install the way everyone has told  you to and you're done
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> But I 
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> > Those Removable Disks can be a pain until you figure out which 
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Re: TA DA!!!

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Re: K10D - Flash Mode

[John Francis]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:56:14PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote:
> I get your point about the trailing curtain, John. But I normally don't want
> motion blur at all. So,  I set the shutter speed in order to freeze (rather
> slow) motion - anyway as long as I'm not using manual mode, the camera will
> not allow shutter speeds longer than perhaps 1/20 sec. - depending on the
> focal length of the lens I am using (in order to make the camera hand
> holdable). I don't believe these lower speeds get any lower due to SR?
> 
> I want to make the most of the available light. Pictures made in total
> darkness with a flash are not my cup of tea. The flash only freezes motion
> in total darkness - in principle. So, the 1/1 sec. issue is of no
> importance to me.
> 
> So, I want the shutterpeed as slow as posible, without getting (to much)
> motion blur.
> I'd love to have a flsh progrm, that would mesure the available light and
> then ad one stop for the falsh - this wasy the available light would only
> "underexpose) the image by one stop. This mode is actually an "inverse fill
> flash program".
> regards
> 
> Jens Bladt

That ought to be easy enough; set the camera to under-expose by one stop
in manual exposure mode as if no flash were there, and set the flash to
one stop of underexposure as well.  That will give you distant objects
underexposed by one stop, but foreground objects exposed correctly.

I'd also try leaving the camera in a programmed exposure mode, and
simply dialing in one stop of negative flash compensation.  That
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RE: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[Bill Sawyer]

Ken,

Glad to hear that all is well, I didn't even know you had a knee problem, so
I guess you handled it well. My job has me cutting the checks for these
procedures, so I feel safe in saying that I think you chose well with your
physician if he is pushing an aggressive therapy program. My guess is that
you'll be competitive on the high hurdles again before summer.

Paul is correct about the Ansel Adams exhibit at the DIA, I plan on seeing
it tomorrow, I hear that it includes the usual icons as well as some very
rare pieces little seen before. It runs to the end of May, I think Paul's
post was a typo. And, of course, the Wildlife Photographer of the Year is
back at the Zoo until late April. As always, it is superb.

I hope all else is well, and that you're making god use of your new found
leasure

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

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After hobbling around for the last several months on a bum right knee, I 
finally had a complete new knew installed Monday morning. I figured if I 
didn't get the knee, I'd probably never use the 600 again. I knew I had to 
do something when I had to cancel a fall shoot in the Upper Peninsula of 
Michigan.

Everything went well & I was home by Wednesday morning with the makings of a

fine 5 inch scar & some more reasons not to sail by airport security.
The Dr. I chose does around 800 of these a year (with his two assistants) - 
he does the actual installation.

Should be back to some semblance of normalcy in around 4 to 6 weeks. The Dr.

is a sports medicine orthopedic & believes in very aggressive therapy. I had

4 pre operation therapy sessions and will start next week on 3 a week 
sessions. I was up & walking within 4 hours of the surgery.

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Re: K10D - Flash Mode

[Bruce Dayton]

Haven't really tried it.  I shoot pretty much the way you do - manual
mode.  If daylight just needing some fill then I just dial it in on
the AF360FGZ and shoot as if the flash were not there.  The High Speed
synch is a real lifesaver there.

If the flash is going to be the main illumination, I am usually using
the old AF400T and now just picking one of the auto modes - this means
just setting a shutter speed slow enough to hand hold and setting the
aperture to match the flash.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007, 11:46:00 AM, you wrote:

JB> So which camera program do you use for flash photography?
JB> I guess things may be diffeneretn for P-TTL users...
JB> I have normally (PZ-1, MZ-S, '*ist D) used manual mode - setting the speed
JB> to freeze a reasonable amount of movement - the aperture according to my
JB> need for DOF. Then letting the TTL flash porvide the sufficient light.
JB> Getting the K10D made me thik perhaps TAv would be the perfect replacement
JB> for my old method.
JB> TAv means I can set the speed and aprture like I use to - then choose the
JB> appropriate flash-program for the chosen aperture. The camera will then
JB> chose the apropriate ISO value. The less ambient light - the higher ISO.
JB> How does that sound?
JB> What do you guy s do?

JB> Regards
JB> Jens Bladt

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[P. J. Alling]

I've never heard of that one.  Probably not any around here.  (Tried 
looking for a reasonable sized picture using Google and I decided that I 
really hate PhotoSIG).

Walter Hamler wrote:
> "It's a "Great Egret", I think."
>
> Thanks. I didn't know for sure.
> Have you ever seen or heard of a KaraKara? They are a bird of prey, sorta 
> like an Eagle, not quite as big. Has a hair do that make him look like Elvis 
> on a "bad hair day"!
> There was one in a tree, but way too far for my 200mm. Some Canon shooters 
> were there with the big guns, 600mm, 2X and one had an 800mm I believe. The 
> viewfinder image was nice, but the bird was looking backwards 90% of the 
> time.
>
> Walt 
>
>
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Lightroom (was RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10)

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Godrey
nearly all of my close-up flower test shots got heavily overexposed in
Lightroom's auto mode.
But then, the background was about 2/3 and quite dark on some of them and
only the main flower is bright.
Lightroom seems to look at the overall brightness and not weighting the
center more and corrects too much because of the dark backgound.
Did Lightroom handle your "minimalistic" neighbourhood photos right? Maybe
it's just too much demanding from an automatic, but I think
it could avoid burned out highlights at least since it has that information.

greetings
Markus



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As a test, I selected about 100 random RAW exposures of all sorts of
scenes from both the K10D and *ist DS that I hadn't looked at before,
brought them into the Develop module, selected them all and turned on
Auto Sync. I clicked on the Auto button in the Basic panel. In a
moment or three, most were well within the bounds of what I'd
consider normal for Auto settings ... a couple overexposed, a couple
under, but most reasonably presentable. Only two or three I'd
consider perfectly done.

I did the same in Camera Raw v3.7 and got virtually identical results.

I don't know why your results would be different.

G

On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> But the auto settings in Photoshop are never so much off as the
> auto setting
> in lightroom and some of them work quite often well for me.
> Lightroom overexposed so much, there can't be any deep analysis at
> all and I
> think it's one of the things they have to correct for the next
> version.
> greetings
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Re: TA DA!!!

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You can always change the icons and rename the drives to something useful.

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>
> Do  you think my card may be safely returned to the  camera?
>
> Jack
>
> ==
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> camera, shut door, turn on camera while  holding down menu, turn off camera 
> when 
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> suspect you've already done it by now.  
>
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> helpful.
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GDGPhoto.com: new exhibit - "Neighborhood Details" (L3)

[Walter Hamler]

Godfrey,
That is one of the better websites for photos that I have seen. Simple, 
direct, and too the point. I really like the B&W shots!

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Is high ISO noise lens dependent too?

[Walter Hamler]

Don't know the answer for sure, but I have noticed that views with a large 
expanse of OOF background tends to show noise more so than with sharp 
backgrounds. Is that perhaps what you are seeing?

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FS: Sigma 70-300 f/3.5-5.6 APO Macro II Super

[Mike Hamilton]

It's in excellent condition, comes with original front & rear caps,
macro setting from 200-300mm, gets up to 1:2 magnification.  $100USD +
Shipping.

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PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Walter Hamler]

"It's a "Great Egret", I think."

Thanks. I didn't know for sure.
Have you ever seen or heard of a KaraKara? They are a bird of prey, sorta 
like an Eagle, not quite as big. Has a hair do that make him look like Elvis 
on a "bad hair day"!
There was one in a tree, but way too far for my 200mm. Some Canon shooters 
were there with the big guns, 600mm, 2X and one had an 800mm I believe. The 
viewfinder image was nice, but the bird was looking backwards 90% of the 
time.

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Is high ISO noise lens dependent too?

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Pentaxians

While testing my worst zooms first I noticed that the noise at ISO800 with
the Sigma 75-300mm on the K10D makes the photos unusuable for my
requirements.
Could it be that the quality of the lens has an influence on the noise? I
know that the exposure has to be correct for best results. I have in camera
noise reduction disabled, should I use it or denoise later on the computer
only ? I will test with ISO 800-1600 and my best primes again in the next
days.

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RE: Goodbye winter

[Markus Maurer]

Distorted images from super wide angle and fish eyes and most of the DRI/HDR
stuff simply does not work for me, sorry Roman.
greetings
Markus



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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:11 PM
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Subject: Re: Goodbye winter


On 10/3/07, Roman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20070130154732
>^^^ Had enough of the snow and cold already, now happy to say goodbye
>winter, as days are warm and snow is gone by now. In memory of those
>sunny cold days.

Nice but I prefer the young blokes in string vests.

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Tri-X in Dektol

[Walter Hamler]

"Duh!!!
In my own defence, it was almost 40 years ago that I studied this stuff."

Hey, I have been told that the older I get, the more I know. It's because I 
have forgotten everything twice!!

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. Exposure well managed. Beautiful bird.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this 
> one
> was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe 
> there
> is a small fish in its beak.
> K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg
>
> Walt
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Testing: SR and gimbal mount

[Tim Øsleby]

I have been very curious on the impact of SR on gimbal mount and tripod. I
was really hoping it could give me an extra hand. The manual tells me to
shut SR off on tripod, but I have been hoping it was otherwise in a gimbal
mount. 
After getting the camera I have been testing a bit, but haven't been able to
draw any conclusions. So I decided to do a semi scientific test. 

I used a K-500/4,5 at 1/30 with a Velbon CF-630 (a medium class tripod) at
my lawn. It was rather windy, so I believe the test was rather realistic.
What I did, was simply to shoot 75 shots with SR on, and then 75 more
without. At both series I used basic tripod technique with one hand leaning
on top of the setup, and my nose glued to the LCD. 

I put the files in a random queue, to make sure I wasn't biased when judging
the results. I scored them in three categories: 1 junk, 2 so and so, and 3
potential keepers. 

The result was disappointing I'm afraid. I found no impact of SR whatsoever.
It may be a bit early to make drastic conclusions based on this, but I do
know that SR does not affect the result at 1/30 with that lens. I may try
again at other speeds and lenses with other weights. But I don't really
believe it will be worth the effort. The positive thing is that the test
also suggests that there is no reason to be afraid of leaving SR on with
gimbal mount at tripod. I believe the manual is over conservative on that
point. 


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Re: Buying a monopod

[Mark Cassino]

Hi Boris -

I started using a monopod to shoot insect macros a few years ago. I had 
a Slik on hand (older model than the 350 but seems comparable - very 
light weight / light duty.) It's worked fine. I often need to make quick 
changes in the height setting and it is fast and responsive.

The only problem I had with the grooved tubes was last summer, when I 
lost the rubber tip that caps the end of the monopod. I was shooting in 
this sandy / moss covered soil - the end of the monopod would penetrate 
down 6 inches or so, then stick when I tried to pull it out. Ultimately 
the rubber cap fell off and I continued using it, only to get the hollow 
tube filled with damp sandy soil. I found another cap for it but it took 
a while to work the sand out of the mechanism. Before it was gone, the 
leg tended to bind a bit.

But after years of pretty heavy use - something is bound to happen.

My 2 cents -

MCC

Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I've decided I'd buy a monopod. My choices are basically
> Slik 350 and
> Manfrotto 680.
> 
> Any specifics I should be looking for or both are acceptable.
> 
> Mainly I am going to use it with 80-320 towards 320 mm of course. And
> generally a bit of (mobile) support won't hurt me.
> 
> What do you say?
> 
> P.S. Don't offer me a tripod, 'cause I have one ;).
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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[P. J. Alling]

It's a "Great Egret", I think.

Walter Hamler wrote:
> Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one 
> was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there 
> is a small fish in its beak.
> K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg
>
> Walt 
>
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Re: GESO: It Happened on Woodward

[Mark Cassino]

Nice stuff, Paul. I lived just a stone's throw from there back in the 
early 80's - those few blocks of the old Woodward are truly a charming 
place. I had an apartment on the new Woodward, between 15 and 16 mile - 
just a 15 minute walk to the north end of old Woodward.

It looks like it's gotten even more upscale since I was there. (No doubt 
my departure helped in the department :-)

- MCC


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> This is a rather large collection of photos taken on a half mile 
> stretch of suburban Detroit's Old Woodward Avenue. It will hopefully 
> end up as an eight to twelve shot gallery show and magazine article. I 
> may decide to convert more shots to BW. I might make the set all BW, or 
> I might make it all color. I have a few in mind that are definitely in, 
> but I'm still trying to make my picks. I've shown the whole set to the 
> gallery owner, and is working on a selection. The only definition here 
> is that the pics were shot on Woodward. They're not necessarily street 
> photography (a term I dislike almost as much as voyeuristic). Some are 
> portraits, some are candids of unaware subjects, some are candids of 
> people who saw the camera. It runs the range. Anyway, the whole kit and 
> kaboodle is here:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152
> 
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[P. J. Alling]

At the risk of offending the French Aerospace industry, isn't it?

Joseph Tainter wrote:
>  > It's this big:
>  >
>  > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
>  >
>
> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
> launcher.
>
> -
>
> Without the hood it looks a little like the Airbus A380...which a 
> colleague said reminded him of a French pig.
>
> Joe
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K10D - Flash Mode

[Walter Hamler]

That is not football :-)
Nice shots ;-)

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PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Walter Hamler]

"Love the way that reed mimmics the bird's head. Lovely."

Yes, of course...I planned it that way. ;-)
Thanks. I really am liking the 50~200.

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Re: OT - 600mm FA or Knee - what's a photog to do ?

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Franklin wrote:

>John Francis wrote:
>
>> As the saying goes: Getting old sucks, but it sure beats the 
alternative.
>
>Growing old is mandatory.  Growing up is not. ;-)

"You're only young once. But you can be immature forever!"

Speaking of which, my mum had an "emergency dismount" from her horse 
this week. The horse is a thoroughbred and likes to go fast. She's 66 
years old and doesn't mind going fast. Anyway, she broke her wrist and 
several bones in her hand and now has a compliment of plates and screws 
holding things together. Could have been a lot worse, I suppose. I keep 
reminding her that in all my years of motorcycle roadracing I never 
injured myself anywhere nearly as badly as she's done falling off 
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Re: K10D - Flash Mode

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Since my flash units to date are either manual or non-dedicated auto- 
>flash, I use Manual exposure mode when I'm using flash.

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Re: Off camera flash K10D

[David J Brooks]

Bruce.

Is this with the AF360FGZ off camera and 1 on camera, or just linkd
for side lighting with the cable

Dave

On 3/10/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> If it helps, I have been using two Adapter F's and 5p cable between an
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> just fine.  That is exactly what they are designed for.
>
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>
> Saturday, March 10, 2007, 7:16:55 AM, you wrote:
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> JW> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:09:47 +0900, David Savage wrote
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> JW> the
> >> > built in flash?
> >>
> >> Pretty much.
> >>
> >> Here's the Hot Shoe F
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> ...and the Hot Shoe Fg
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> With the hot shoe F you can't open the onboard flash far enough for
> >> it to be fired..
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave
>
> JW> Thanks Dave, I've been offered the parts listed at a reasonable price and
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Re: Friends of the PDML: Don Nelson

[David J Brooks]

Sh.

Don;t let those Nikon shooters get wind of this.:-)

Dave

On 3/10/07, Mat Maessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/9/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I just got an email from him informing me that the test results he got
> > Wednesday show all clear.
> ...
> > Looking forward to seeing him at GFM! (Which is now only about two and
> > a half months away!)
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Re: I'm not quite dead yet!

[Bob Sullivan]

Don,
Nice to have you back.
Get healthy and don't worry about the pdml.
We're always here...
Regards,  Bob S.

On 3/10/07, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry I've not been in touch for a while.
> Been pretty crazy here lately.
>
> My Arthritis decided to see if it could reach disabling levels in record
> time.
> This resulted in LOTS of doctor visits/tests/procedures/etc.
> This resulted in LOTS of bills.
> This resulted in having to work as many hours as possible at anything I
> could
> do at the time.
> The rest of the time was spent taking pills and sleeping.
> The end result was no time for my friends at PDML.
> I've not un-subbed but have read very little.
> Sorry about that.
>
> Shel, Rick and Scott, thanks for your e-mails, I just now sorted them out
> from
> the many 100's I have yet to go through.
> Jeff, your Spottie is still safe and sound.
>
> Things are getting much better.
> Diet, exercise, therapy and medication are finally showing good results.
> I can actually walk without a limp once in a while. ;-)
> Hopefully by summer I'll be back to sorta normal. (For me, that is.)
> Very,very broke, but relatively functional.
>
> I should be around the list a bit more now, I'm down to working regular
> hours
> plus one part time job.
>
> Thanks for caring.
> I've found people that do to be a wee bit scarce lately.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
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Re: I'm not quite dead yet!

[David J Brooks]

Like Rick says, good to hear things are on the up swing for a change.

Looking forward to seeing you at GFM again

Dave

On 3/10/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don,
>
> It's really good to hear from you!  I hope your
> improvement continues steadily.
>
> Rick
>
> --- Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sorry I've not been in touch for a while.
> > Been pretty crazy here lately.
> >
> > My Arthritis decided to see if it could reach
> > disabling levels in record
> > time.
> > This resulted in LOTS of doctor
> > visits/tests/procedures/etc.
> > This resulted in LOTS of bills.
> > This resulted in having to work as many hours as
> > possible at anything I
> > could
> > do at the time.
> > The rest of the time was spent taking pills and
> > sleeping.
> > The end result was no time for my friends at PDML.
> > I've not un-subbed but have read very little.
> > Sorry about that.
> >
> > Shel, Rick and Scott, thanks for your e-mails, I
> > just now sorted them out
> > from
> > the many 100's I have yet to go through.
> > Jeff, your Spottie is still safe and sound.
> >
> > Things are getting much better.
> > Diet, exercise, therapy and medication are finally
> > showing good results.
> > I can actually walk without a limp once in a while.
> > ;-)
> > Hopefully by summer I'll be back to sorta normal.
> > (For me, that is.)
> > Very,very broke, but relatively functional.
> >
> > I should be around the list a bit more now, I'm down
> > to working regular
> > hours
> > plus one part time job.
> >
> > Thanks for caring.
> > I've found people that do to be a wee bit scarce
> > lately.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > Shel Belinkoff
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:03 AM
> > > To: PDML
> > > Subject: Anybody hear from Don Sanderson
> > >
> > >
> > > Don Sanderson's been conspicuously absent from the
> > PDML for quite some
> > > time.  I had a very brief off-list discussion with
> > him a couple of months
> > > ago, and in the middle of our conversation he
> > "disappeared."  I'm a little
> > > concerned about him, and sent him a letter, but as
> > yet have not
> > > heard back.
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Re: I'm not quite dead yet!

[David J Brooks]

Opps wrong Don. But like Rick says, good to hear from you

Dave

On 3/10/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like Rick says, good to hear things are on the up swing for a change.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you at GFM again
>
> Dave
>
> On 3/10/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > It's really good to hear from you!  I hope your
> > improvement continues steadily.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > --- Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry I've not been in touch for a while.
> > > Been pretty crazy here lately.
> > >
> > > My Arthritis decided to see if it could reach
> > > disabling levels in record
> > > time.
> > > This resulted in LOTS of doctor
> > > visits/tests/procedures/etc.
> > > This resulted in LOTS of bills.
> > > This resulted in having to work as many hours as
> > > possible at anything I
> > > could
> > > do at the time.
> > > The rest of the time was spent taking pills and
> > > sleeping.
> > > The end result was no time for my friends at PDML.
> > > I've not un-subbed but have read very little.
> > > Sorry about that.
> > >
> > > Shel, Rick and Scott, thanks for your e-mails, I
> > > just now sorted them out
> > > from
> > > the many 100's I have yet to go through.
> > > Jeff, your Spottie is still safe and sound.
> > >
> > > Things are getting much better.
> > > Diet, exercise, therapy and medication are finally
> > > showing good results.
> > > I can actually walk without a limp once in a while.
> > > ;-)
> > > Hopefully by summer I'll be back to sorta normal.
> > > (For me, that is.)
> > > Very,very broke, but relatively functional.
> > >
> > > I should be around the list a bit more now, I'm down
> > > to working regular
> > > hours
> > > plus one part time job.
> > >
> > > Thanks for caring.
> > > I've found people that do to be a wee bit scarce
> > > lately.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > > Shel Belinkoff
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:03 AM
> > > > To: PDML
> > > > Subject: Anybody hear from Don Sanderson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don Sanderson's been conspicuously absent from the
> > > PDML for quite some
> > > > time.  I had a very brief off-list discussion with
> > > him a couple of months
> > > > ago, and in the middle of our conversation he
> > > "disappeared."  I'm a little
> > > > concerned about him, and sent him a letter, but as
> > > yet have not
> > > > heard back.
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Cotty]

On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
>it other than to make motion pictures...

Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
focus confirmation beeps etc.

The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
this, it's a no-brainer IMO.



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Re: Pentax and Foveon?

[Peter Lacus]

John,

> Oh yeah, to get full luminance information
> from any "X" megapixel sensor, all the individual
> pixels have to be wideband monochrome, (no bayer
> filtering). I think kodak actually made one
> like this at one time, I would love one, if it
> was cheap and much higher resolution than
> a same Mp color bayer one and I dont see why not.

damn, sounds like you are right (as always ;-)). I'd love to have a 
pocketable monochrome camera. When I need to use high ISO on my pocket 
cameras I'm switching to B&W mode anyway. But the quality of the output 
is not as good as it could be using a dedicated monochrome sensor.

Cheers,

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

> Good point.
> ...
> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
> old,
> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> focus confirmation beeps etc.

Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
> but it
> depends on the situation, surely.  ...

Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

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Re: PESO: Water Bird (White Heron?)

[Cotty]

On 10/3/07, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Went back to the wetlands again yesterday. Not as many birds but this one 
>was so intent on feeding he wasn't paying attention to us. I believe there 
>is a small fish in its beak.
>K10D, 50~200 @ 200.
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WhiteHeronweb.jpg

Love the way that reed mimmics the bird's head. Lovely.

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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter"
Subject: Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?


> > It's this big:
> >
> > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
> >
>
> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
> launcher.

I can just imagine what a person's life expectancy would be if they put one 
on a tripod anywhere near an airport.

William Robb 


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Re: K10D - Flash Mode

[Cotty]

On 10/3/07, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So, I want the shutterpeed as slow as posible, without getting (to much)
>motion blur.

So not like this then ;-)



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