Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign

[John Whittingham]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:57:00 -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote
> http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-
campaign.html
> 
> Joe

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RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...

[Shel Belinkoff]

So much for memory   Although I was reasonably close - what do they
say, Close enough for government work   Did I at least get the time
frame right?

Shel

> [Original Message]
> From: Jim King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago.  It had a very slight dent  
> > in the
> > area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the  
> > filter or
> > lens hood from working properly.  I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC -
> > certainly more than $350.00.
>
> Actually it was $340 including shipping - I was the one you sold it  
> to.  At the time I thought it was a bit expensive but knowing the  
> seller I figured it was probably priced fairly.  Given its rarity and  
> subsequent increase in the market price maybe it wasn't a bad deal  
> after all!  The filter ring is now as good as new; a few taps with a  
> mallet and a wooden dowel put everything right.



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Re: DST

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2007 10:19:28 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gads, ours is stuck in  adolescence.

William Robb

=
The only system I've seen  that looked grown up (and admittedly I haven't 
seen very many) was a while back.  They carried some of the British Parliament 
meetings on CSPAN. I think it was  when John Majors was in. Veddy, veddy 
polite, 
so veddy polite you had to listen  really, really hard to realize how much 
the politicians were dishing each other.  Now THAT'S adult. I was impressed.

Maybe it's changed. Humans have a way  of reverting to adolescence.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  

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Re: DST

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2007 10:02:37 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yer all growed up  now?

William Robb

=
Hardly. Far from it.

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Re: DST

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: DST


> No, more like the government is all growed up, just like Canada's.
> 

Gads, ours is stuck in adolescence.

William Robb

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Re: DST

[P. J. Alling]

No, more like the government is all growed up, just like Canada's.

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "P. J. Alling" 
> Subject: Re: DST
>
>
>   
>> It's been that way from the beginning, but it's only been since the 
>> middle of the 20th century that it mattered, and only recently that most 
>> of you noticed. 
>> 
>
> Yer all growed up now?
>
> William Robb
>
>   


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Re: DST

[dglenn]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
> >But despite my claim to usually consider Daylight Spending Time only a 
> >minor annoyance, I'm a bit put out by this
>
> Understatement isn't a stranger to you eh Doc?

We may have been introduced at some point, yes ...

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Re: DST

[dglenn]

Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love DST. Grace and I just came back from a walk. Sunset in Detroit 
> was at about 7:45 PM tonight. By June we'll be at 9:45. It's wonderful. 
> If it's a conspiracy, give me more conspiracies.

The more I think about it, the stronger my feeling that the Big Problem
with DST is that it's (IMNSHO) incorrectly justified and incorrectly
named.  If the reason for having it were quite simply, "most people 
just happen to like it" (and if that's true), it wouldn't rub me the 
wrong way so.  (Even though not-changing makes more sense to me.)

I am well aware that many people do like it.  But that's not the reason
I keep hearing for why we should have it.  And I don't know whether the
folks who like it are in the majority or not (though I'm sure somebody
must have polling data on that).

-- Glenn

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New Pentax Ad Campaign

[Joseph Tainter]

http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html

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Re: DST

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: DST


> It's been that way from the beginning, but it's only been since the 
> middle of the 20th century that it mattered, and only recently that most 
> of you noticed. 

Yer all growed up now?

William Robb

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Re: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[Boris Liberman]

Tim, when I ask for brutal and honest comments, it is not for sake of 
testing your levels of brutality, you know. After all, I have met you in 
person and I have at least a shade of idea how brutal you might be ;-).

But thanks. I thought that both the boy and the old guy were in some 
kind of contemplative mood, though it could be less obvious looking at 
the boy. I found this somewhat interesting.

But then again, it was me reasoning, honest ;-).

Cheers!

Boris

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Forgot to comment on the photo :-)
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16961&full=1
> Well done, technically. 
> The old guy is interesting, but the boy does not add anything, because there
> is no visible interaction among them In other words. It does not affect me
> much.
> Brutal enough?
> 
> 
> Tim Typo
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim
> Øsleby
> Sent: 11. mars 2007 22:02
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10
> 
> One of the features I liked in RSP was that the auto function usually gave
> me a very good starting point. In Lightroom I find it totally useless. 
> 
> 
> Tim Typo
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FA:Tokina 400 AT-X

[Joseph Tainter]

URL wraps onto 3 lines.

-

It sold quite high--about $465 or so. I have the lens, but watched the 
auction to see what it would bring. Answer: Much more than I paid for 
mine, used, third hand, 7 years ago.

There's a real need for Pentax or someone to bring out a quality 400 in 
KAF mount.

Joe

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RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...

[Jim King]

Shel Belinkoff wrote on Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:12:12 -0800

> Godders,
>
> I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago.  It had a very slight dent  
> in the
> area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the  
> filter or
> lens hood from working properly.  I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC -
> certainly more than $350.00.

Actually it was $340 including shipping - I was the one you sold it  
to.  At the time I thought it was a bit expensive but knowing the  
seller I figured it was probably priced fairly.  Given its rarity and  
subsequent increase in the market price maybe it wasn't a bad deal  
after all!  The filter ring is now as good as new; a few taps with a  
mallet and a wooden dowel put everything right.

Today I captured the last of the eleven Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses  
(the K28/2) to complete that part of my collection.  I now have all  
the 28s, all the 35s, all the 50s. all the 85s, and all of the 135s.   
I'm still working on the 100s; that's a bit complicated because I  
don't know if I should count the dental versions of the 100 macros as  
well as the standard ones, as they are just minor cosmetic  
variations.  OTOH, maybe it would be cheating not to...

Thanks for "aiding and abetting," Shel!

Regards, Jim

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RE: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise

[David Savage]

At 12:54 PM 12/03/2007, Markus Maurer wrote:
>Hi Paul
>that's what I did with transformations.
>I hoped there would be semi automatic way with a filter or program that
>"knows" the Pentax lens distortions.
>The lens filter in Photoshop CS2 seems capable, I will try that the next
>time. The Kit lens distorts quite a bit at the wide end.
>greetings
>Markus


Once you have the corrections dialed in with the Lens Correction filter in 
CS2 you can save them, to be used in the future.

Also have a look at PTlens (free, but not so user friendly IMO):



And there is a GUI available here (free trial)



And just for chuckles here is a program that does automatic perspective 
corrections:



Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[P. J. Alling]

I can almost hear my mother say, "Put that down before you hurt your 
brother!"

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> These are the best days of the  year for street photography in the 
> Detroit metro area. The temperature is finally over 50, and happy 
> people are turning out in huge numbers. Shot this one today along with 
> several others. It's on the same half mile stretch of Woodward Avenue, 
> so it will be another contender for my "It Happened on Woodward" 
> gallery. I couldn't convert this one to BW. Look at those boots! The 
> lady on the right is mom, so she stays in as well. (A rather pretty mom 
> I might add.) Lots of fun.
> Paul
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5708790&size=lg
>
>
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Re: DST

[P. J. Alling]

It's been that way from the beginning, but it's only been since the 
middle of the 20th century that it mattered, and only recently that most 
of you noticed. 

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "P. J. Alling" 
> Subject: Re: DST
>
>
>   
>> Most countries have an ideology, but if you don't believe in it you can 
>> still identify as a member of that nation.  In other words you can still 
>> be British or French or Russian even if you don't believe in the (fill 
>> in the blank)  Way. The United States is an Ideology.  The 
>> biggest problem both US Citizens and nationals of other countries have 
>> with the US is not realizing that.  Part of that Ideology was keeping 
>> government small and relatively helpless,  we learned from the rest of 
>> the world about the joys and glories of big government, now everybody's 
>> screwed.
>> 
>
> We outsiders know very well that the USA is an ideology.
> At the moment, it is becoming rather painful to watch.
>
> William Robb
>
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Re: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2007 6:42:55 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
These are the best  days of the  year for street photography in the 
Detroit metro area. The  temperature is finally over 50, and happy 
people are turning out in huge  numbers. Shot this one today along with 
several others. It's on the same  half mile stretch of Woodward Avenue, 
so it will be another contender for my  "It Happened on Woodward" 
gallery. I couldn't convert this one to BW. Look  at those boots! The 
lady on the right is mom, so she stays in as well. (A  rather pretty mom 
I might add.) Lots of  fun.
Paul
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5708790&size=lg

==
Cute  kids. Although neither looks like they were want to buckle, let alone  
swash.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  

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Re: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't think there could be an "automatic" transform. Because the 
degree of distortion varies in respect to other factors. Maybe someday. 
not now.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Hi Paul
> that's what I did with transformations.
> I hoped there would be semi automatic way with a filter or program that
> "knows" the Pentax lens distortions.
> The lens filter in Photoshop CS2 seems capable, I will try that the 
> next
> time. The Kit lens distorts quite a bit at the wide end.
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise
>
>
> To correct perspective in Photoshop, go to the layers box and double
> click on background. Give it a name. Then go to edit and choose
> transform/perspective. Grab the handles on the corners of the pic with
> your mouse and alter the perspective. Hit return(enter) and save.
> Paul
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>
>> I met a fishermen yesterday at the nearby alotment and he has rabbits
>> and
>> chicken  and has build his small little "wooden paradise" stuffed full
>> with
>> strange things.
>> There are sterlings breeding in his garden in bird-houses and he told
>> me
>> that I should be able to take some photos very early in the morning
>> and late
>> in the evening quite easily.
>>
>> He asked me to take a photo of the inside of his small "paradise" and
>> I used
>> the Kit lens at 18mm with the Metz 32MZ-3 on a Metz 372 Pentax module
>> for
>> that photo.
>> The Metz is a lot harder to handle in auto mode than the Pentax AF280T
>> on
>> the K10D and I had to make several shots to find the correct aperture
>> against heavy overexposure by setting the flash at F4/F8 and the
>> camera at
>> F11-F16 outside. Inside his room it was so dark that I had to set the
>> camera
>> to F4 1/30 ISO400.
>>
>> What do you use to correct the distortion of wide angles, manual
>> Photoshop
>> transformation or the aperture correction filter or anything else? I
>> cropped
>> most of the (quite) distorted part of that photo away and used
>> transformation then. Is there anything better that knows the Pentax
>> characteristics lenses already?
>>
>> http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/fishermen.jpg
>>
>> greetings
>> Markus
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Paul
that's what I did with transformations.
I hoped there would be semi automatic way with a filter or program that
"knows" the Pentax lens distortions.
The lens filter in Photoshop CS2 seems capable, I will try that the next
time. The Kit lens distorts quite a bit at the wide end.
greetings
Markus


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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise


To correct perspective in Photoshop, go to the layers box and double
click on background. Give it a name. Then go to edit and choose
transform/perspective. Grab the handles on the corners of the pic with
your mouse and alter the perspective. Hit return(enter) and save.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> I met a fishermen yesterday at the nearby alotment and he has rabbits
> and
> chicken  and has build his small little "wooden paradise" stuffed full
> with
> strange things.
> There are sterlings breeding in his garden in bird-houses and he told
> me
> that I should be able to take some photos very early in the morning
> and late
> in the evening quite easily.
>
> He asked me to take a photo of the inside of his small "paradise" and
> I used
> the Kit lens at 18mm with the Metz 32MZ-3 on a Metz 372 Pentax module
> for
> that photo.
> The Metz is a lot harder to handle in auto mode than the Pentax AF280T
> on
> the K10D and I had to make several shots to find the correct aperture
> against heavy overexposure by setting the flash at F4/F8 and the
> camera at
> F11-F16 outside. Inside his room it was so dark that I had to set the
> camera
> to F4 1/30 ISO400.
>
> What do you use to correct the distortion of wide angles, manual
> Photoshop
> transformation or the aperture correction filter or anything else? I
> cropped
> most of the (quite) distorted part of that photo away and used
> transformation then. Is there anything better that knows the Pentax
> characteristics lenses already?
>
> http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/fishermen.jpg
>
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
>
>
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Re: PESO:Test shot K10D + Tamron SP 75-150mm + AF400FTZ flash

[Paul Stenquist]

Good rendering. Just pull down the highlights and saturation a bit. But 
excellent performance from the flash.
Don't stop!
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

>
> Hi Pentaxians
>
> Just a quick test if the AF400-FTZ is really useless on the K10D 
> because of
> it's missing auto modes.
> I used the Tamron SP 75-150mm zoom handheld from 2 meters distance and
> bounced the flash to the ceiling in hi manual mode.
> The camera was set to ISO100 and manually to F22. Bouncing the flash
> produces quite often good results, direct flash overexposes a lot
> even when  I set the flash reflector to 28mm  and the camera to F22.
> Interstingly it did not matter if I set the flash to hi or ttl mode, I 
> think
> it uses
> manual full power in every setting manual low excluded.
>
> I hope my test shots are interesting for some of you, feel free to 
> tell me
> if I should stop ;-)
> But then I have different old manual and automatic flashes to test on 
> the
> K10D which might interest some
>
> A heavy crop of about 50%, raw photographed, ACR and sharpened in 
> Photoshop.
> I'ts just an old CD cover but excellent music inside ;-)
>
> http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/harlekin.jpg
>
>
> greetings
> Markus
>
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PESO:Test shot K10D + Tamron SP 75-150mm + AF400FTZ flash

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Pentaxians

Just a quick test if the AF400-FTZ is really useless on the K10D because of
it's missing auto modes.
I used the Tamron SP 75-150mm zoom handheld from 2 meters distance and
bounced the flash to the ceiling in hi manual mode.
The camera was set to ISO100 and manually to F22. Bouncing the flash
produces quite often good results, direct flash overexposes a lot
even when  I set the flash reflector to 28mm  and the camera to F22.
Interstingly it did not matter if I set the flash to hi or ttl mode, I think
it uses
manual full power in every setting manual low excluded.

I hope my test shots are interesting for some of you, feel free to tell me
if I should stop ;-)
But then I have different old manual and automatic flashes to test on the
K10D which might interest some

A heavy crop of about 50%, raw photographed, ACR and sharpened in Photoshop.
I'ts just an old CD cover but excellent music inside ;-)

http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/harlekin.jpg


greetings
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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[David Savage]

At 11:50 AM 12/03/2007, John Sessoms wrote:
> >
> > From:
> > "David Savage
> > On 3/11/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> William Robb wrote:
> >> > It's this big:
> >> >
> >> > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
> >> >
> >>
> >> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
> >> launcher.
> >
> > In certan video games it'd be called a B.F.L.
>
>BFG9000


That's the one :-)

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Re: PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise

[Paul Stenquist]

To correct perspective in Photoshop, go to the layers box and double 
click on background. Give it a name. Then go to edit and choose 
transform/perspective. Grab the handles on the corners of the pic with  
your mouse and alter the perspective. Hit return(enter) and save.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> I met a fishermen yesterday at the nearby alotment and he has rabbits 
> and
> chicken  and has build his small little "wooden paradise" stuffed full 
> with
> strange things.
> There are sterlings breeding in his garden in bird-houses and he told 
> me
> that I should be able to take some photos very early in the morning 
> and late
> in the evening quite easily.
>
> He asked me to take a photo of the inside of his small "paradise" and 
> I used
> the Kit lens at 18mm with the Metz 32MZ-3 on a Metz 372 Pentax module 
> for
> that photo.
> The Metz is a lot harder to handle in auto mode than the Pentax AF280T 
> on
> the K10D and I had to make several shots to find the correct aperture
> against heavy overexposure by setting the flash at F4/F8 and the 
> camera at
> F11-F16 outside. Inside his room it was so dark that I had to set the 
> camera
> to F4 1/30 ISO400.
>
> What do you use to correct the distortion of wide angles, manual 
> Photoshop
> transformation or the aperture correction filter or anything else? I 
> cropped
> most of the (quite) distorted part of that photo away and used
> transformation then. Is there anything better that knows the Pentax
> characteristics lenses already?
>
> http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/fishermen.jpg
>
> greetings
> Markus
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Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch

[Paul Stenquist]

I can go along with that.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:58 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:

>>> He landed here:
>>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
>>
>> I see, nice little birdie and great posing, but that sky looks 
>> somewhat
>> artificial, doesn't it? ;-)
>
> Indeed, looks a bit odd.
>
> Really nice shot though.
>
> White Breasted Nuthatches are all well and good, but id we're talking 
> birds,
> I've always been more partial to the Pink Breasted Tit.
>
> - Peter
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Re: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks. I had a lot of fun out on the street today.

Ford? An empty cab pulled up, and Bill Ford Junior got out. Seriously, 
I think there was a lot of mismanagement. But that happens to a lot of 
companies. When I went to work for a Ford supplier, I knew the company 
was in big trouble. Overall, what happened to Ford is the same thing 
that has happened to all US automakers: The United Autoworkers 
contracts. The health care and retirement commitments of the US 
automakers are way more costly than what the foreign competition has to 
deal with. Now that the jobs are going away, the UAW is finally getting 
the message, but it's going to be a long haul back to a level playing 
field. As far as I'm concerned, I worked for a Ford supplier. ( In 
recent years. Over the long haul, I've worked for suppliers to most of 
the major automakers.) But when a company is hurting, they tighten the 
clamps on the suppliers. In the ad business, we make good money but we 
have none of the contract protection that automaker employees enjoy. 
When the hammer drops, we're gone. But I've had a good run. I made more 
than seventy commercials for half a dozen car companies, and there were 
some good dollars involved. I used a lot of it to put four kids through 
college (about half a million US just for that), but I have a lot of 
energy left. I'll  hook up with someone. And I'm still trying to find a 
publisher for my novel. Anyone know a good literary agent?
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> The boots and the fightning pose are great!
> It looks sunny and bright here on my monitor but I think it was that 
> way :-)
>
> BTW: what happened to Ford, did the close or cut down branches?
>
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
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>
>
> These are the best days of the  year for street photography in the
> Detroit metro area. The temperature is finally over 50, and happy
> people are turning out in huge numbers. Shot this one today along with
> several others. It's on the same half mile stretch of Woodward Avenue,
> so it will be another contender for my "It Happened on Woodward"
> gallery. I couldn't convert this one to BW. Look at those boots! The
> lady on the right is mom, so she stays in as well. (A rather pretty mom
> I might add.) Lots of fun.
> Paul
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Re: DST

[Peter Loveday]

> We have DST too, not just GMT. Only we call it British Summer Time
> (just to prove we have one, I suppose).

British Summer Time?

So what, it only lasts two weeks? :)

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Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch

[Peter Loveday]

>> He landed here:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
>
> I see, nice little birdie and great posing, but that sky looks somewhat
> artificial, doesn't it? ;-)

Indeed, looks a bit odd.

Really nice shot though.

White Breasted Nuthatches are all well and good, but id we're talking birds, 
I've always been more partial to the Pink Breasted Tit.

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Re: How Big is the Sigma 200-500 2.8?

[John Sessoms]

>
> From:
> "David Savage
> On 3/11/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> William Robb wrote:
>> > It's this big:
>> >
>> > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/71bd.jpg
>> >
>>
>> It looks like a gun from an ultra violent video game...  Or a missile
>> launcher.
>
> In certan video games it'd be called a B.F.L.

BFG9000


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Re: Tri-X in Dektol

[Mark Cassino]

HI Scott -

Never did Tri-X in Dektol, but I did do Plus-X. You probably know this, 
but if not look up reference for D-72 - pretty similar to Dektol but 
D-72 was marketed as a film developer.

I've only had about a 50% success rate using Dektol - it's high potency 
and fast acting - miss the timing a bit an you get way too dense 
shadows. Sort of like D19, but more potent.

I used it 1:5, at 66 F, for 6 minutes. This is roll film in a small 
tank. Agitated for 10 second after filling the tank, then at 1 minute, 3 
minutes, and 5 minutes.  Rinsed, then stop bath. My goal with the colder 
temps, high dilution, and modest agitation was to get a controlled and 
even development. It still produced a very high contrast neg.

I have an old lab manual here that says dilute 1:1, develop about 5 
minutes without agitation or 4 minutes with agitation for average 
contrast at 68 F (20 C).

They may have been talking about older emulsions, because on my first 
try with that I got a bunch of black rectangles. I went with the more 
dilute and colder mix. Without agitation for roll film you get uneven 
developing.

Two shots using Dektol and Plus-X (Sepia toned in Photoshop) -

http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/asga/asga10.htm

http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/asga/asga11.htm

At best, the negs are very crisp, very clean, no fogging, high contrast, 
snappy almost Rodinal like grain. Good stuff for film but you have to be 
careful - a little too long in the tank and the highlights are totally 
blocked up.

I have a couple packets of Dektol sitting in the basement waiting ot be 
mixed up - man, the K10D really put the brakes on my B&W work. At least 
temporarily.

Have fun!

- MCC

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Do any of you recall how a newspaper darkroom might have developed
> Tri-X in Dektol?  From what I've read it would have been used 1+1 or
> 1+2 for a very short amount of time, 1.5 or 2 minutes, and then
> immediately fixed (skipping the stop).
> 
> I recently acquired a bulk roll of Tri-X that's well past its
> process-by date (thanks, Godders!) and need work around a slightly
> higher than normal base fog.  The first test roll, shot at 400 and
> souped in D-76 1+1, resulted in good acutance, but not enough exposure
> to overcome the fog in the shadows.  So I'm looking at over-exposing
> (IE 200 or so) and developing for a bit more contrast.  Plus, I have
> this Dektol taking up space.
> 
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Re: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer" 
Subject: RE: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers



> 
> BTW: what happened to Ford, did the close or cut down branches?
> 

Nissan and Toyota happenned to Ford.

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Re: FA:Tokina 400 AT-X

[John Sessoms]

URL wraps onto 3 lines.

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Re:Tri-X in Dektol

[Bill Lawlor]

Scott, about 1958 I was my college's photographer. They issued me a 4X5 
Century Graphic, etc. An old time photographer showed me how to use it. He 
mentioned using HOT Dektol to speed develop 4X5 sheet film. Given the poor 
reproduction of newspaper photos of that era I suppose it would work. I 
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RE: PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[Markus Maurer]

The boots and the fightning pose are great!
It looks sunny and bright here on my monitor but I think it was that way :-)

BTW: what happened to Ford, did the close or cut down branches?

greetings
Markus


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These are the best days of the  year for street photography in the
Detroit metro area. The temperature is finally over 50, and happy
people are turning out in huge numbers. Shot this one today along with
several others. It's on the same half mile stretch of Woodward Avenue,
so it will be another contender for my "It Happened on Woodward"
gallery. I couldn't convert this one to BW. Look at those boots! The
lady on the right is mom, so she stays in as well. (A rather pretty mom
I might add.) Lots of fun.
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Re: Wish I had a

[Doug Franklin]

Scott Loveless wrote:

>> Anybody got a 70-200 ish 2.8 AF lens for sale?

I don't remember who it was, but a PDML'er was offering an FA*
80-200/2.8 for sale a couple of weeks or so ago.

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PESO: K10D and 18-55mm Kit lens - fishermen's paradise

[Markus Maurer]

I met a fishermen yesterday at the nearby alotment and he has rabbits and
chicken  and has build his small little "wooden paradise" stuffed full with
strange things.
There are sterlings breeding in his garden in bird-houses and he told me
that I should be able to take some photos very early in the morning and late
in the evening quite easily.

He asked me to take a photo of the inside of his small "paradise" and I used
the Kit lens at 18mm with the Metz 32MZ-3 on a Metz 372 Pentax module for
that photo.
The Metz is a lot harder to handle in auto mode than the Pentax AF280T on
the K10D and I had to make several shots to find the correct aperture
against heavy overexposure by setting the flash at F4/F8 and the camera at
F11-F16 outside. Inside his room it was so dark that I had to set the camera
to F4 1/30 ISO400.

What do you use to correct the distortion of wide angles, manual Photoshop
transformation or the aperture correction filter or anything else? I cropped
most of the (quite) distorted part of that photo away and used
transformation then. Is there anything better that knows the Pentax
characteristics lenses already?

http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/fishermen.jpg

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Re: I'm Back!

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

>so...umhow's the bike?

Man, I'm so embarrassed I forgot to ask that!
 

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Re: I'm Back!

[Doug Brewer]

On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

> You folks haven't heard from me for several months (and a good  
> thing too,
> some will say). I was in a motorcycle accident. I was in the #2  
> lane on the
> 22 fwy in Garden Grove CA at rush hour when guy clipped me from  
> behind at
> about 50 mph. I bounced off two SUV's and landed in the #1 lane  
> where a
> light pickup ran over the left side of my body. Left shoulder  
> broken in two
> places, left forearm broken in two places, 4 broken ribs, broken  
> left femur,
> broken left hip, left hip socket busted into small pieces and  
> pelvis broken
> in two. Intensive care for 2 months, formal rehab for a month and a  
> half and
> now continued rehab at home. I have more high-tech metal in me than  
> the 6
> Million Dollar Man! I finally got my weight bearing on my left leg  
> to 100%
> and threw away the walker and got a cane. That walker made me look  
> like such
> a geezer! Progress is slow but continuing forward. I almost have  
> enough
> strength back in my left leg to get my bike off the kick stand!
>
> I broke down and bought a K10D last week. It's fun, but I'm still  
> pissed
> that the format isn't 24x36. It's going to take me about a month to  
> learn
> how to use all the little beastie has to offer.
>
> Regards,
> Bob...

so...umhow's the bike?

glad to have you back. Been wondering where you went.

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Re: Another Birdy

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Tim. I hope so, however I'm going to be 59 in a couple of weeks. 
That's retirement age for advertising creatives. Unfortunately, with 
six people to support, I can't retire. I have a phone interview 
tomorrow with an agency in North Carolina. That's where I want to go 
when I retire. I would love to go there now. I'm praying. I appreciate 
the kind words.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> I hope things work out well for you.
> This may be the opportunity for you ;-)
>
>
> Tim Typo
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Another Birdy
>
>
>> I'm taking up way too much bandwidth, but I'm very recently unemployed
>> (thank you Ford for going in the toilet) and have nothing else to do.
>> (More on that some other time.) Anyway, PESOs are better than silly
>> flame wars. Here's another one from the nature center. It's a male
>> house finch. I cheated and used a monopod. The flash fired this time 
>> as
>> well (AF 540 FGZ with Kirk Xtender in high speed synch mode). ISO 800,
>> f5.6 @ 1/800th. K10D with A-400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. Fun in the
>> forest.
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700067&size=lg
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PESO: Sidewalk Swashbucklers

[Paul Stenquist]

These are the best days of the  year for street photography in the 
Detroit metro area. The temperature is finally over 50, and happy 
people are turning out in huge numbers. Shot this one today along with 
several others. It's on the same half mile stretch of Woodward Avenue, 
so it will be another contender for my "It Happened on Woodward" 
gallery. I couldn't convert this one to BW. Look at those boots! The 
lady on the right is mom, so she stays in as well. (A rather pretty mom 
I might add.) Lots of fun.
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Re: Wish I had a

[Scott Loveless]

On 3/11/07, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Was shooting some basketball this weekend and REALLY coveted the pro
> shooters long 2.8 glass.  not to mention shutter speed but lets not go
> there.
> Anybody got a 70-200 ish 2.8 AF lens for sale?
>
Fat chance.  Time to buy a Canon.


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PESO:3 test shots K10D and Pentax A70-210mm zoom

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Pentaxians

I really start to discover new photographic ways in low light with the K10D
and I'm really happy that one of the finest (and my first one as well) zooms
I own for over 20 years , the Pentax A70-210mm, works so nicely on the K10D.
It has a bit zoom creep and is heavy but very well built and a joy to use
and I have so much good memories with it. I love the bokeh and it is even
usable for decent close-ups.

I made some test shots in the late evening sun at F4-4.5 and 1/180 ISO100 at
210mm (315mm) with SR on free handed and I simply can not complain :-)
This camera really opens new possibilities in low light situations for me
and I will test it next week in the streets of Zurich with my F50mm 1.7 and
K 50mm 1.2 and the fast Tamron SP 70-150mm 2.8 with softfocus. I hope I can
leave the K10D at ISO 100-400 with SR and a monopod since I really dislike
high ISO so far.

3 examples from yesterday in the warm evening light from the nearby
allotment:


http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/K10DA702101.jpg

http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/K10DA702102.jpg

http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/K10DA702103.jpg


So far I really start to love this camera :-)
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RE: Another Birdy

[Tim Øsleby]

I hope things work out well for you. 
This may be the opportunity for you ;-)


Tim Typo
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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> I'm taking up way too much bandwidth, but I'm very recently unemployed
> (thank you Ford for going in the toilet) and have nothing else to do.
> (More on that some other time.) Anyway, PESOs are better than silly
> flame wars. Here's another one from the nature center. It's a male
> house finch. I cheated and used a monopod. The flash fired this time as
> well (AF 540 FGZ with Kirk Xtender in high speed synch mode). ISO 800,
> f5.6 @ 1/800th. K10D with A-400/5.6 and A2X-S converter. Fun in the
> forest.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700067&size=lg


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Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch

[Paul Stenquist]

No:-). It's Hollywood:-)).
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>> He landed here:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
>
> I see, nice little birdie and great posing, but that sky looks somewhat
> artificial, doesn't it? ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
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Wish I had a

[cbwaters]

Was shooting some basketball this weekend and REALLY coveted the pro 
shooters long 2.8 glass.  not to mention shutter speed but lets not go 
there.
Anybody got a 70-200 ish 2.8 AF lens for sale?

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Re: DST

[Paul Stenquist]

I love DST. Grace and I just came back from a walk. Sunset in Detroit 
was at about 7:45 PM tonight. By June we'll be at 9:45. It's wonderful. 
If it's a conspiracy, give me more conspiracies.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> My, my!  Most people here find Daylight Savings Time delghtful.  Few
> people can make good use of the extra hour of daylight before work.
> Many people find good outdoor activities for the extra hour after
> work.  Lawn and garden care come to mind first, then other
> recreational activities - kids' baseball, soccer, swimming,...
>
> Pity the poor folks in China where there is only one time zone and at
> least as much sunrise disparity as the USA.  Would you enjoy a 4 AM
> sunrise in your part of the country while others saw an 8 AM sunrise?
> How about a 4 PM sunset vs an 8 PM sunset depending on where you
> lived.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> WARNING!  CONSPIRACY THEORY BELOW
>>>
>>> So apparently, when Americans have an extra hour of daylight after 
>>> work
>>> they like to shop.  The US chamber of commerce is a huge proponent 
>>> for
>>> changing DST to an earlier date.  [...]
>>
>> Can you really call it a "conspiracy theory" when the proponents
>> haven't been terribly secretive about it?  (When the candy
>> manufacturers' lobby left candy pumpkins on lawmakers' chairs
>> to remind them that extending DST past Hallowe'en would help
>> them sell more candy, that wasn't exactly subtle ... even if
>> these aren't the arguments they're making in the mass media.)
>>
>> And as I said upthread, I've started calling it Daylight Spending
>> Time for that reason.
>>
>> Though you may have something with the current administration's
>> connections to big oil.  That may well have been a factor in this
>> having passed when it did, rather than other times it was proposed.
>>
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RE: DST

[Bill Owens]

If you "outsiders" know it, how do you think how painful
we "insiders" feel?

Bill

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Subject: Re: DST


> Most countries have an ideology, but if you don't believe in it you can 
> still identify as a member of that nation.  In other words you can still 
> be British or French or Russian even if you don't believe in the (fill 
> in the blank)  Way. The United States is an Ideology.  The 
> biggest problem both US Citizens and nationals of other countries have 
> with the US is not realizing that.  Part of that Ideology was keeping 
> government small and relatively helpless,  we learned from the rest of 
> the world about the joys and glories of big government, now everybody's 
> screwed.

We outsiders know very well that the USA is an ideology.
At the moment, it is becoming rather painful to watch.

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Re: DST

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: DST


> Most countries have an ideology, but if you don't believe in it you can 
> still identify as a member of that nation.  In other words you can still 
> be British or French or Russian even if you don't believe in the (fill 
> in the blank)  Way. The United States is an Ideology.  The 
> biggest problem both US Citizens and nationals of other countries have 
> with the US is not realizing that.  Part of that Ideology was keeping 
> government small and relatively helpless,  we learned from the rest of 
> the world about the joys and glories of big government, now everybody's 
> screwed.

We outsiders know very well that the USA is an ideology.
At the moment, it is becoming rather painful to watch.

William Robb

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Adam Maas]

With that sort of kit it's understandable that you weren't paying much 
attention to entry-level AF bodies :-)

-Adam


Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
> There is a deep gap in my body line-up:
> a KX, two LXen, then two MZ-S and a *istDS, I must apologize for not 
> knowing exactly what happened in between...
> 
> Pancho
> 
> Adam Maas schrieb:
>> Pancho,
>>
>> The *ist film body was by no means the first 'crippled' KAF mount body, 
>> in fact it was the fourth, and appeared 6 years after the first (the 
>> MX-50 in 1997).
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
>>> Walt,
>>>
>>> this was the first body to feature the "crippled" KAF mount, and the 
>>> last film body they made. if you don't own pre-A lenses, you won't have 
>>> any hassle.
>>>
>>> Unca Mickey, who hung around the list a while ago used it with a 
>>> DA40/2.8, with very pleasing results.
>>>
>>> Do you expect to shoot much film? I don't know the lens. But I think 
>>> price is reasonable for a body and a lens in good condition.
>>>
>>> Pancho
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Hamler schrieb:
 "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens. 
 LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital). 
 Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, 
 extra 
 batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125, 
 shipping included in CONUS."

 This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film 
 camera.

 Walt 
>>
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Re: DST

[P. J. Alling]

Most countries have an ideology, but if you don't believe in it you can 
still identify as a member of that nation.  In other words you can still 
be British or French or Russian even if you don't believe in the (fill 
in the blank)  Way. The United States is an Ideology.  The 
biggest problem both US Citizens and nationals of other countries have 
with the US is not realizing that.  Part of that Ideology was keeping 
government small and relatively helpless,  we learned from the rest of 
the world about the joys and glories of big government, now everybody's 
screwed.

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "P. J. Alling" 
> Subject: Re: DST
>
>
>   
>> The Chinese have political/ideological reasons for this, as usual 
>> politics mixed with ideology on a grand scale mucks things up.
>> 
>
> You'all are finding that out the hard way..
>
> William Robb
>
>   


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Re: DST

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>But despite my claim to usually consider Daylight Spending Time only a 
>minor annoyance, I'm a bit put out by this

Understatement isn't a stranger to you eh Doc?

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Re: DST

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: DST


> The Chinese have political/ideological reasons for this, as usual 
> politics mixed with ideology on a grand scale mucks things up.

You'all are finding that out the hard way..

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Re: DST

[P. J. Alling]

The Chinese have political/ideological reasons for this, as usual 
politics mixed with ideology on a grand scale mucks things up.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> My, my!  Most people here find Daylight Savings Time delghtful.  Few
> people can make good use of the extra hour of daylight before work.
> Many people find good outdoor activities for the extra hour after
> work.  Lawn and garden care come to mind first, then other
> recreational activities - kids' baseball, soccer, swimming,...
>
> Pity the poor folks in China where there is only one time zone and at
> least as much sunrise disparity as the USA.  Would you enjoy a 4 AM
> sunrise in your part of the country while others saw an 8 AM sunrise?
> How about a 4 PM sunset vs an 8 PM sunset depending on where you
> lived.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> WARNING!  CONSPIRACY THEORY BELOW
>>>
>>> So apparently, when Americans have an extra hour of daylight after work
>>> they like to shop.  The US chamber of commerce is a huge proponent for
>>> changing DST to an earlier date.  [...]
>>>   
>> Can you really call it a "conspiracy theory" when the proponents
>> haven't been terribly secretive about it?  (When the candy
>> manufacturers' lobby left candy pumpkins on lawmakers' chairs
>> to remind them that extending DST past Hallowe'en would help
>> them sell more candy, that wasn't exactly subtle ... even if
>> these aren't the arguments they're making in the mass media.)
>>
>> And as I said upthread, I've started calling it Daylight Spending
>> Time for that reason.
>>
>> Though you may have something with the current administration's
>> connections to big oil.  That may well have been a factor in this
>> having passed when it did, rather than other times it was proposed.
>>
>>-- Glenn
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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Pancho Hasselbach, discombobulated, unleashed:

>There is a deep gap in my body line-up:
>a KX, two LXen, then two MZ-S and a *istDS, I must apologize for not 
>knowing exactly what happened in between...

Mark!

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The camera has no aperture lever.  

Mark!

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Re: DST

[dglenn]

Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My, my!  Most people here find Daylight Savings Time delghtful.  Few
> people can make good use of the extra hour of daylight before work.

My personal objection has more to do with calling it "Saving Time"
when it a) doesn't _save_ anything, and b) has as its main purpose
increased _spending_.  The nomenclature actually bothers me more 
than the change back and forth or what time we set the clocks to,
though I must say that as a bit of a night owl I've got enough 
trouble getting up in the mornings as it is (so while I might not
have gotten "good use" out of an extra hour before work when I was
employed full-time, having extra time between sunup and when I had
to get out the door would have made it a lot easier for me to get
to work when I was expected to be there.)

> Many people find good outdoor activities for the extra hour after
> work.  Lawn and garden care come to mind first, then other
> recreational activities - kids' baseball, soccer, swimming,...

Which ties right back into the reason I call it "Daylight Spending
Time":  the golf industry lobbied for it, saying that it would
account for huge increases in revenue from greens fees and sales
of golf clubs; the oil industry knows that people will be driving
to more places in the evenings if they have an extra hour of daylight
after work; and the retail industry likes it because even more than
gerdening and Little League, folks use the extra time to go shopping.

Note, by the way, that one group that tends to oppose DST is farmers.


An extra hour of daylight in the evening _is_ nice; I'll grant that.
But so would an extra hour in the morning be, from my point of view,
so I see it as merely exchanging two times of more or less equal 
value instead of "saving" any daylight.  The sun's still up the same
number of hours regardless of when we set the clocks to ... and I
remember thinking it was strange and wrong to be catching the school
bus before sunup so much of the time when I was in middle school and
high school.  

The change back and forth, though I perceive it as a relatively minor
deal thanks to having been accustomed to it for so long, nonetheless
does have consequences.  Traffic accidents tend to increase dramatically
for about a week after the spring time change, for example.  And there
is the nuisance of trying to remember which of my VCRs make the change
automagically and which do not, when programming them to record something
on the other side of a time changes from when I'm thinking about it.

Personally, I'd rather keep the clocks the same year 'round, and just 
adjust _schedules_ as appropriate for the season!  If an office can 
actually save money by having people start and end their workdays 
earlier in the summer, or if doing so pleases most of their employees
and boosts morale, let them switch to summer hours; if another business
does better staying open late, let them simply do so.  Why must we all
be in lockstep all the time anyhow?  As long as we can agree on what
time it _is_, and can thus manage to make our appointments on time,
what is so magical about the hour we have arbitrarily labelled "nine
o'clock in the morning"?  Sure, it's important to have some clue when
other businesses you interact with will be open, but we already have
to look that up on the web or on a refrigerator magnet or call and 
ask, because some entities we interact with are in a different time
zone, and some keep "banker's hours", or "standard office hours", or
"customer friendly hours", or typical shopping-mall hours (which already
have a seasonal change around Christmas!), or typical grocery-store hours, 
or 24/6 hours or 24/7 hours, or "drive-up window open until 1AM" hours.  
I don't think what I'm suggesting would really make things any worse.

Movie production crews and farmers aren't going to change their schedules
just because the clocks say a different number than they did last week at 
the same time -- if the call is for an hour before dawn so that shooting
can take advantage of as much daylight as possible, it doesn't matter 
whether dawn is _labelled_ 5AM or 6AM.  Recreational facilities are going
to stay open later in the summer because the days are longer, regardless
of whether the clocks have changed to "encourage" them to do so.  And most
parks around here have had signs posted that give the hours as "sunup to
sundown" for as long as I can remember, meaning that their hours change
on a day-to-day basis, not twice a year -- for what they are, that just
makes sense.

In businesses that offer flextime, things are even easier:  if you like
extra daylight after work, just come in earlier; if you'd rather eat
your breakfast in sunlight, come in at the regular time.  



But despite my claim to usually consider Daylight Spending Time only a 
minor annoyance, I'm a bit put out by this _change_ to the Daylight 
Spending Time _schedule_.  So I'm thinking about it more than usual, 
and a lot of these little 

Re: Is this a good deal??

[Pancho Hasselbach]

There is a deep gap in my body line-up:
a KX, two LXen, then two MZ-S and a *istDS, I must apologize for not 
knowing exactly what happened in between...

Pancho

Adam Maas schrieb:
> Pancho,
> 
> The *ist film body was by no means the first 'crippled' KAF mount body, 
> in fact it was the fourth, and appeared 6 years after the first (the 
> MX-50 in 1997).
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
>> Walt,
>>
>> this was the first body to feature the "crippled" KAF mount, and the 
>> last film body they made. if you don't own pre-A lenses, you won't have 
>> any hassle.
>>
>> Unca Mickey, who hung around the list a while ago used it with a 
>> DA40/2.8, with very pleasing results.
>>
>> Do you expect to shoot much film? I don't know the lens. But I think 
>> price is reasonable for a body and a lens in good condition.
>>
>> Pancho
>>
>>
>> Walter Hamler schrieb:
>>> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens. 
>>> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital). 
>>> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, 
>>> extra 
>>> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125, 
>>> shipping included in CONUS."
>>>
>>> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
>>>
>>> Walt 
> 
> 

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Re: DST

[Evan Hanson]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Bob Shell wrote:

>
> This is another case of where the US Congress should have just done
> what it does best --- absolutely nothing.
>
> Personally, I favor abolishing DST completely.
>
> Bob ( who  has about forty-eleven clocks and watches around that must
> now be reset!)
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Agreed!  Every year DST aggravates me more.  I guess I'm turning into  
a cranky old man.


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RE: HP source

[Tim Øsleby]

UK hasn't changed for the five centuries Marnie. 


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In a message dated 3/10/2007 11:31:31 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I walked across Waterloo  Bridge today and as usual the view reminded
me of a picture by Roger Fenton,  taken in about 1858 when the House of
Parliament were under construction. So  almost 150 years later, here is
how the view has changed. 

This is a  flash gallery, to make the comparison  easier:

http://www.web-options.com/HP/

Bob


===
That's  very interesting, Bob. Significant things on the skyline haven't  
changed.

Thanks for sharing.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  

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RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[Tim Øsleby]

Forgot to comment on the photo :-)
http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16961&full=1
Well done, technically. 
The old guy is interesting, but the boy does not add anything, because there
is no visible interaction among them In other words. It does not affect me
much.
Brutal enough?


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Subject: RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10

One of the features I liked in RSP was that the auto function usually gave
me a very good starting point. In Lightroom I find it totally useless. 


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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Scott Loveless]

On 3/11/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/11/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The camera has no aperture lever.  Thus, it can only meter M and K
> > lenses wide open.  --
>
> What.
>
> No lever.
>
> When did this happen.
>
Quiet, you.

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Adam Maas]

Pancho,

The *ist film body was by no means the first 'crippled' KAF mount body, 
in fact it was the fourth, and appeared 6 years after the first (the 
MX-50 in 1997).

-Adam


Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
> Walt,
> 
> this was the first body to feature the "crippled" KAF mount, and the 
> last film body they made. if you don't own pre-A lenses, you won't have 
> any hassle.
> 
> Unca Mickey, who hung around the list a while ago used it with a 
> DA40/2.8, with very pleasing results.
> 
> Do you expect to shoot much film? I don't know the lens. But I think 
> price is reasonable for a body and a lens in good condition.
> 
> Pancho
> 
> 
> Walter Hamler schrieb:
>> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens. 
>> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital). 
>> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, extra 
>> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125, 
>> shipping included in CONUS."
>>
>> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
>>
>> Walt 
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Re: DST

[Bob Sullivan]

My, my!  Most people here find Daylight Savings Time delghtful.  Few
people can make good use of the extra hour of daylight before work.
Many people find good outdoor activities for the extra hour after
work.  Lawn and garden care come to mind first, then other
recreational activities - kids' baseball, soccer, swimming,...

Pity the poor folks in China where there is only one time zone and at
least as much sunrise disparity as the USA.  Would you enjoy a 4 AM
sunrise in your part of the country while others saw an 8 AM sunrise?
How about a 4 PM sunset vs an 8 PM sunset depending on where you
lived.

Regards, Bob S.

On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WARNING!  CONSPIRACY THEORY BELOW
> >
> > So apparently, when Americans have an extra hour of daylight after work
> > they like to shop.  The US chamber of commerce is a huge proponent for
> > changing DST to an earlier date.  [...]
>
> Can you really call it a "conspiracy theory" when the proponents
> haven't been terribly secretive about it?  (When the candy
> manufacturers' lobby left candy pumpkins on lawmakers' chairs
> to remind them that extending DST past Hallowe'en would help
> them sell more candy, that wasn't exactly subtle ... even if
> these aren't the arguments they're making in the mass media.)
>
> And as I said upthread, I've started calling it Daylight Spending
> Time for that reason.
>
> Though you may have something with the current administration's
> connections to big oil.  That may well have been a factor in this
> having passed when it did, rather than other times it was proposed.
>
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Re: Is this a good deal??

[David J Brooks]

On 3/11/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The camera has no aperture lever.  Thus, it can only meter M and K
> lenses wide open.  --

What.

No lever.

When did this happen.

Dave

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Scott Loveless]

The camera has no aperture lever.  Thus, it can only meter M and K
lenses wide open.  e.g. If you have an M50/2, the camera will meter
for f2.  If you have the aperture ring set to f8, you'll be
underexposing significantly.  You can override the shutter speed, but
you'll have to calculate the exposure in your head.  Unlike the DSLR
cameras, there is no green button kludge.  Needless to say, shooting
with M and K lenses, or any lens without an 'A' setting, is
frustrating at best.  With screw mount lenses, though, simply put the
camera in Av and stop the lens down.  Works wonderfully.

I had mine up for sale a while back and put some pics online.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/Ist?authkey=KSoUlXda0tM

On 3/11/07, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott, can the M lenses be used in a strictly manual mode, or are you saying
> there is no mechanism in the ist to stop the lens down on the camera?
>
> Walt
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Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch

[Peter Lacus]

Hi Paul,

> He landed here:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg

I see, nice little birdie and great posing, but that sky looks somewhat 
artificial, doesn't it? ;-)

Cheers,

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RE: Simplified PS workflow

[Tim Øsleby]

LOL

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We have a similar problem in Australia. No one wants to work picking
crops, even though the wages are quite good.

So the jobs go to backpacker tourists on working vacations.

Bloody tourists. Taking away good paying jobs from lazy, dole bludging
Aussies.

:-)

Dave

On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ===
> California  benefits greatly from it's Latino population, legal and
illegal
> (I don't use the  word Mexican anymore since many are Columbians and other
> nationals as  well). Also illegals are just about the only ones that will
work for
> the slave  wages that most crop picking jobs pay. Without them, no crops.
So
> I've always  found some people's attitude counterproductive -- to say the
> least.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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RE: Boris (PESO) - week 10

[Tim Øsleby]

One of the features I liked in RSP was that the auto function usually gave
me a very good starting point. In Lightroom I find it totally useless. 


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But the auto settings in Photoshop are never so much off as the auto setting
in lightroom and some of them work quite often well for me.
Lightroom overexposed so much, there can't be any deep analysis at all and I
think it's one of the things they have to correct for the next version.
greetings
Markus


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Auto adjustment functions try to analyze the scene and apply
appropriate adjustment parameters. I have only rarely found they work
to my satisfaction on anything other than very "standard" types of
scenes, if even then, with any image processing tools.

I develop my own defaults in both Camera Raw and Lightroom, have them
applied on import.

Godfrey


On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Hi Boris
> when I looked at the Beta the "auto" function was nearly useless and
> overexposed heavily. Of course manual settings work well.
> ACR seems to overexpose less but a bit too for my taste in auto mode,
> anybody knows why?
> What is your experience with Ligthroom?
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Is this a good deal??

[Walter Hamler]

Scott, can the M lenses be used in a strictly manual mode, or are you saying 
there is no mechanism in the ist to stop the lens down on the camera?

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Scott Loveless]

On 3/11/07, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to all who replied. I have contacted the gent and am awaiting a
> reply.
> I have an istDL and a K10D. The only non DA lenses I have are SMC-M versions
> that I want to get rid of anyway.
> I figure it would be a nice backup camera to shoot color slides with. Our
> Camera Club still has a slide category that really goes wanting for entries,
> so I figure why not!
>
Hey, Walt.  The *ist's (just try and pronounce that) meter is
absolutely amazing.  If you're looking for super sharp slides, the
FA28-90 is probably not the best lens.  My sample is a bit soft for my
taste, though it's fine for print film.  If you can actually scrounge
up some decent glass for shooting slides I think you'll be pleased
with it.

Since you're already familiar with the *istDL, the *ist should be
second nature.  As others have stated, your M lenses will be almost
useless, since you can't stop them down for metering.  However, I've
found that screw mount lenses are pleasant to use.

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RE: Testing: SR and gimbal mount

[Tim Øsleby]

I'm pretty confident that SR don't mess things up despite what the manual
says. 
What you say here backs this up. Thank you Markus.


Tim Typo
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Hi Tim

I used SR today with the monopod and the K10D and Pentax 70-210mm at 1/90
and it worked very well.
greetings
Markus

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I will do a follow up, and test at less critical speeds. I feel pretty
confident that SR does not have any effect using critical shutter speeds,
but it might have negative effect using other speeds.

I'll probably report back on this later.


Tim Typo
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Subject: Testing: SR and gimbal mount

I have been very curious on the impact of SR on gimbal mount and tripod. I
was really hoping it could give me an extra hand. The manual tells me to
shut SR off on tripod, but I have been hoping it was otherwise in a gimbal
mount.
After getting the camera I have been testing a bit, but haven't been able to
draw any conclusions. So I decided to do a semi scientific test.

I used a K-500/4,5 at 1/30 with a Velbon CF-630 (a medium class tripod) at
my lawn. It was rather windy, so I believe the test was rather realistic.
What I did, was simply to shoot 75 shots with SR on, and then 75 more
without. At both series I used basic tripod technique with one hand leaning
on top of the setup, and my nose glued to the LCD.

I put the files in a random queue, to make sure I wasn't biased when judging
the results. I scored them in three categories: 1 junk, 2 so and so, and 3
potential keepers.

The result was disappointing I'm afraid. I found no impact of SR whatsoever.
It may be a bit early to make drastic conclusions based on this, but I do
know that SR does not affect the result at 1/30 with that lens. I may try
again at other speeds and lenses with other weights. But I don't really
believe it will be worth the effort. The positive thing is that the test
also suggests that there is no reason to be afraid of leaving SR on with
gimbal mount at tripod. I believe the manual is over conservative on that
point.


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Re: [Fwd: Church Triathalon]

[Mark Cassino]

That _is_ the event I excel in! :-)

Scott Loveless wrote:
> You might wanna buy more pizza than you originally planned.  
> 
> On 3/11/07, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Oops - sorry about that - I meant to forward it but hit the wrong
>> address book entry.
>>
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Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...

[Peter Lacus]

> Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night,  
> after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a  
> NEW one listed from someone in Germany.

and there was also K28/2 on Italian eBay

http://tinyurl.com/ysj233

Cheers,

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PESO:Springtime greetings

[Markus Maurer]

On my digital way
I took some more test photos with the Pentax A 50mm macro and the Pentax A
70-210mm on the K10D zoom this afternoon for a quick & dirty made

Springtime greetings postcard for my friend Gabriela for some advertising
emails:

http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/Fruehling.jpg


The Pentax A70-210mm seems to be a really good lens for the K10D and I will
take it on my mountain tours together with the Pentax A 50mm macro and the
Pentax A 24mm. I hope the Tamron 17mm will fill the gap on the wide side
otherwise I will have to use the kit lens.

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RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...

[Shel Belinkoff]

Godders,

I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago.  It had a very slight dent in the
area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the filter or
lens hood from working properly.  I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC -
certainly more than $350.00.

Shel

> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

> Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night,  
> after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a  
> NEW one listed from someone in Germany.
>
> Since I already have the FA28/2.8 AL, I was unwilling to go to  
> ridiculous lengths and put in a bid for 200 Euros. Laughable ... the  
> winning bid was EUR 338.76 ($444.39).
>
> That's about the double what I paid for the new FA28/2.8 AL. Seems a  
> heck of a premium for one stop in speed. I hope it's as good a  
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Re: DST

[dglenn]

Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WARNING!  CONSPIRACY THEORY BELOW
>
> So apparently, when Americans have an extra hour of daylight after work 
> they like to shop.  The US chamber of commerce is a huge proponent for 
> changing DST to an earlier date.  [...]

Can you really call it a "conspiracy theory" when the proponents
haven't been terribly secretive about it?  (When the candy 
manufacturers' lobby left candy pumpkins on lawmakers' chairs 
to remind them that extending DST past Hallowe'en would help
them sell more candy, that wasn't exactly subtle ... even if
these aren't the arguments they're making in the mass media.)

And as I said upthread, I've started calling it Daylight Spending
Time for that reason.

Though you may have something with the current administration's
connections to big oil.  That may well have been a factor in this
having passed when it did, rather than other times it was proposed.

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Re: HP source

[P. J. Alling]

Well I guess that's the long and the not so long of it...

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> London is a little short on tall buildings.   Bob S.
>
> On 3/11/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>> I walked across Waterloo  Bridge today and as usual the view
>>>   
>> reminded
>> 
>>> me of a picture by Roger Fenton,  taken in about 1858 when
>>> the House of
>>> Parliament were under construction. So  almost 150 years
>>> later, here is
>>> how the view has changed.
>>>
>>> This is a  flash gallery, to make the comparison  easier:
>>>
>>> http://www.web-options.com/HP/
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>> That's  very interesting, Bob. Significant things on the
>>> skyline haven't
>>> changed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>>   
>> Thanks. The skyline is likely to be protected soon, too. For several
>> years the mayor (with whom I agree on many things, but not this), has
>> been pushing to build very tall skyscrapers in London, in the face of
>> much opposition. Recently the UN has smacked the UK's wrists for not
>> protecting our World Heritage sites properly (I live in one!) and
>> legislation is due which will protect the skylines of these sites.
>> Hooray!
>>
>> Bob
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Is this a good deal??

[Walter Hamler]

Thanks to all who replied. I have contacted the gent and am awaiting a 
reply.
I have an istDL and a K10D. The only non DA lenses I have are SMC-M versions 
that I want to get rid of anyway.
I figure it would be a nice backup camera to shoot color slides with. Our 
Camera Club still has a slide category that really goes wanting for entries, 
so I figure why not!

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Peso Altona Church redone

[David J Brooks]

As Norm pointed out, and i think we all agreed, the large headstone in
the shot took away from the photo.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5707294

Reshot this afternoon, slightly different angle and using the 16-45 F4
instead of the Zenitar 16mm fisheye and the K10D.

DNG proccessed in PSCS then used the fotofusion filter, red, and added
a tinge of curve to the shadows, but it seems to have diminished in
the SFW.

Any way, enjoy, comments welcome.

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[P. J. Alling]

If you want to shoot film and you don't have any pre A lenses it looks 
like a relatively good deal.  Pre A lenses are unusable on the *ist.  
It's got a lot of features and functions however.

Walter Hamler wrote:
> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens. 
> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital). 
> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, extra 
> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125, 
> shipping included in CONUS."
>
> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
>
> Walt 
>
>
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Re: HP source

[P. J. Alling]

And plumbing new depths at the same time.

Cotty wrote:
> On 11/3/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> London is a little short on tall buildings. 
>> 
>
> Bob, you're taking this thread to new heights.
>
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Re: DST

[Christian]

graywolf wrote:



I've been patching *nix servers for weeks.  Everything on the OS side 
(including my winders XP laptop) rolled forward properly (1am status 
calls; gotta love those)

The problem we had is that Sybase databases were inconsistent.  Some 
rolled forward with the OS, some stayed on EST for no apparent reason. 
Had to restart tons of DBs to make them read the OS time.  Stupid vendor 
issued no warnings or recommendations, only said that if the OS was OK 
they'd be OK too. I even tested some before hand and of course the ones 
I tested on 5 flavors of Unix, worked. I was cranky this morning... I 
went to bed at 6am EDT after a 5 hour conference call with my colleagues.

WARNING!  CONSPIRACY THEORY BELOW

So apparently, when Americans have an extra hour of daylight after work 
they like to shop.  The US chamber of commerce is a huge proponent for 
changing DST to an earlier date.  Business make a lot of money from 
it...  Also, if Americans aren't shopping, guess what they do?  They go 
out.  To the parks, etc.  How do they get there (and shopping too)? 
Yeah, they drive and burn a lot more gasoline.  Big oil LOVES DST. 
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Re: DST

[P. J. Alling]

You expect the Congress to do nothing.  We should consider ourselves 
lucky if they just accidentally screw things up.

Bob Shell wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:32 PM, graywolf wrote:
>
>   
>> Here (NC) DST is a help, in Indiana, Michigan, etc it is a bummer.  
>> Kids
>> waiting on the bus in the dark, etc. Of course Indiana, being  
>> sensible,
>> makes it optional.
>>
>> For those who do not know, they moved it up to this morning, 2-3 weeks
>> earlier than it has been in the past. So (US people) set your clocks
>> ahead, if you have not already done so.
>> 
>
> Several years ago I bought two of those "Atomic" clocks, one for my  
> house and one for my studio. They set themselves based on a radio  
> signal from the National Atomic Clock.  One attraction was that they  
> automatically set themselves for DST when it started and back to  
> standard time when it ended.  Apparently the National Atomic Clock  
> wasn't told about the change, since neither of my clocks reset itself  
> this morning and I had to manually reset them.  They've corrected for  
> the changes automatically for four years before.  How much do you  
> wanna bet that they will reset themselves on April 1 ??!!
>
> This is another case of where the US Congress should have just done  
> what it does best --- absolutely nothing.
>
> Personally, I favor abolishing DST completely.
>
> Bob ( who  has about forty-eleven clocks and watches around that must  
> now be reset!)
>
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a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night,  
after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a  
NEW one listed from someone in Germany.

Since I already have the FA28/2.8 AL, I was unwilling to go to  
ridiculous lengths and put in a bid for 200 Euros. Laughable ... the  
winning bid was EUR 338.76 ($444.39).

That's about the double what I paid for the new FA28/2.8 AL. Seems a  
heck of a premium for one stop in speed. I hope it's as good a  
performer!


or
   http://tinyurl.com/2fnkyr

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Pancho Hasselbach]

Walt,

this was the first body to feature the "crippled" KAF mount, and the 
last film body they made. if you don't own pre-A lenses, you won't have 
any hassle.

Unca Mickey, who hung around the list a while ago used it with a 
DA40/2.8, with very pleasing results.

Do you expect to shoot much film? I don't know the lens. But I think 
price is reasonable for a body and a lens in good condition.

Pancho


Walter Hamler schrieb:
> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens. 
> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital). 
> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, extra 
> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125, 
> shipping included in CONUS."
> 
> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
> 
> Walt 

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Re: DST

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:02 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Just noticed, my ibook changed over. Must have been in the lastest
> updates from Mac.

Apple's had the DST changeover embedded in all Mac OS X revs since  
10.4.2, about a year ago. The recent DST update included updated  
client-side information on local variations to the DST adoption to  
help improve synchronization.

Of course, if your iBook is connected to the network and set up to  
synchronize with a network time keeping service, it would update to  
match that anyway.

Godfrey

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Re: DST

[David J Brooks]

On 3/11/07, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is another case of where the US Congress should have just done
> what it does best --- absolutely nothing.
>
> Personally, I favor abolishing DST completely.

I also. I see no need for it these days.

Saskatchewan does not move the clocks back or forward, and those folk seem fine.

Just look at WW.

Just kidding pal:-0

Dave
>
> Bob ( who  has about forty-eleven clocks and watches around that must
> now be reset!)
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Re: DST

[David J Brooks]

Just noticed, my ibook changed over. Must have been in the lastest
updates from Mac.

Dave

On 3/11/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Avoid DST hassles, set your computer to GMT!
>
> Actually I just downloaded the winxp update from microsoft.com. Had to
> do that because I have winxp automatic updates shut off. I guess I will
> have to find the update for Office too, so Outlook will be on time. Then
> I have to find it for my PocketPC, and my laptop. F'ing government
> S'heads... Seems like all they are good for is to cause folks problems.
> GMT sounds better all the time.
>
> Here (NC) DST is a help, in Indiana, Michigan, etc it is a bummer. Kids
> waiting on the bus in the dark, etc. Of course Indiana, being sensible,
> makes it optional.
>
> For those who do not know, they moved it up to this morning, 2-3 weeks
> earlier than it has been in the past. So (US people) set your clocks
> ahead, if you have not already done so.
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Re: Fill flash - turn ypur camera upside down

[David J Brooks]

I quess Australian photog's do fill flash all the time then.

:-)

Dave

On 3/11/07, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On a Danish website I read that for fill flash purposes, it may be
> adviceable to turn the camera upside down. This wasy it's easy to brighten
> up shadows, made by the sunlight. How about that?
>
> Jens Bladt
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> http://www.jensbladt.dk
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Re: DST

[William Robb]

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From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Re: DST



>
> Saskatchewan does not move the clocks back or forward, and those folk seem 
> fine.
>
> Just look at WW.
>
> Just kidding pal:-0

Except that the longest days of summer have sunrise at about 4:30, sunset at 
about 8:30.

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Re: Off camera flash K10D

[David J Brooks]

Oakaly Dokaly.

I'm signing up for a portrait and lighting class in May. I hope i'll
fiqure this out after that.

Dave

On 3/10/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have tried what you said, just to see if it works and it does, but I
> don't really shoot that way.  I mostly do this to put the flash on a
> bracket.  This gets rid of redeye problems and keeping the shadows
> behind the subject rather than to the side.  Mostly weddings and
> events when I have to deal with portable light.
>
> If I am doing more controlled lighting, then I would use my Alien Bees
> (monolights) with umbrellas and stands.
>
> --
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>
>
> Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:44:09 PM, you wrote:
>
> DJB> Bruce.
>
> DJB> Is this with the AF360FGZ off camera and 1 on camera, or just linkd
> DJB> for side lighting with the cable
>
> DJB> Dave
>
> DJB> On 3/10/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello John,
> >>
> >> If it helps, I have been using two Adapter F's and 5p cable between an
> >> AF360FGZ and MZ-S, *istD and K10D with no problems.  So you should be
> >> just fine.  That is exactly what they are designed for.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >> Saturday, March 10, 2007, 7:16:55 AM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> JW> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:09:47 +0900, David Savage wrote
> >> >> On 3/10/07, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > Thanks John, what's the difference between F and FG? more clearance 
> >> >> > for
> >> JW> the
> >> >> > built in flash?
> >> >>
> >> >> Pretty much.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's the Hot Shoe F
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> ...and the Hot Shoe Fg
> >> >>
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Re: Digital light meter?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Bob W wrote:

> I have a Sekonic L-608 light meter, which was pretty much top of the
> range when I bought it. It's a very good, accurate light meter which
> delivers excellent results.
>
> The Sekonic web site is now showing the L-758DR:
> http://www.sekonic.com/products/products.asp?ID=130
>
> What problems does this solve?
> ...

I have the Sekonic Digilite F L-328, which has given me near perfect  
exposure measurement for both ambient and flash since 1996 or so,  
considering both my film and digital cameras in that. I'm not sure  
what the calibration adjustments of the higher end meters would do,  
other than provide some additional level of convenience. The larger  
integrating hemisphere of the L358 model is what I was interested in  
(more sensitivity, accuracy), but since this one continues to work  
very well I haven't been motivated to buy another yet.

> Incidentally, I'm not normally a cropper, but I've been playing with
> Lightroom, and cropped the picture of the boat to 35mm proportions
> (2:3) and the statue of Wally to the Golden Ratio (1:1.618), which
> seems appropriate for the surrounding architecture. I like the way LR
> gives you the ability to set fixed aspect ratios.

I like it too: my standard exhibition print is an ~11x14 inch image  
on A3 paper. Both Photoshop CS2 and Camera Raw v3.x support setting  
fixed proportion ratios in cropping tools as well, though; it's not a  
new feature.

Godfrey

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[More or less OT] Jpeg (with Exif) files wanted

[Thibouille]

To help me with my software development I would like to get my hands
on different Jpeg files with EXIF information. They can be all black I
only care about valid Jpeg file with EXIF info.

I only need one file of from a specific camera so any brand is much
welcome. It only makes testing better.

I have files from K10D so I don't need those :)

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RE: Testing: SR and gimbal mount

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Tim

I used SR today with the monopod and the K10D and Pentax 70-210mm at 1/90
and it worked very well.
greetings
Markus

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Subject: RE: Testing: SR and gimbal mount


I will do a follow up, and test at less critical speeds. I feel pretty
confident that SR does not have any effect using critical shutter speeds,
but it might have negative effect using other speeds.

I'll probably report back on this later.


Tim Typo
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)


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Subject: Testing: SR and gimbal mount

I have been very curious on the impact of SR on gimbal mount and tripod. I
was really hoping it could give me an extra hand. The manual tells me to
shut SR off on tripod, but I have been hoping it was otherwise in a gimbal
mount.
After getting the camera I have been testing a bit, but haven't been able to
draw any conclusions. So I decided to do a semi scientific test.

I used a K-500/4,5 at 1/30 with a Velbon CF-630 (a medium class tripod) at
my lawn. It was rather windy, so I believe the test was rather realistic.
What I did, was simply to shoot 75 shots with SR on, and then 75 more
without. At both series I used basic tripod technique with one hand leaning
on top of the setup, and my nose glued to the LCD.

I put the files in a random queue, to make sure I wasn't biased when judging
the results. I scored them in three categories: 1 junk, 2 so and so, and 3
potential keepers.

The result was disappointing I'm afraid. I found no impact of SR whatsoever.
It may be a bit early to make drastic conclusions based on this, but I do
know that SR does not affect the result at 1/30 with that lens. I may try
again at other speeds and lenses with other weights. But I don't really
believe it will be worth the effort. The positive thing is that the test
also suggests that there is no reason to be afraid of leaving SR on with
gimbal mount at tripod. I believe the manual is over conservative on that
point.


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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Scott Loveless]

On 3/11/07, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens.
> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital).
> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, extra
> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125,
> shipping included in CONUS."
>
> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
>
That sounds like a very good deal to me.  A LN- body at KEH is
currently priced at $254, which is a bit too high.  If your hands are
larger than average it may feel too small.  Get one of the battery
grips.  They make it much more comfy.

Download the user manual when you have a moment.  It's pretty much an
*istDS that takes film.

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Re: PESO: Hard Light, Hard woman (two perspectives)

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Cotty. I appreciated the feedback.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 11/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> Thanks Cotty. Yes, I agree. However, I think your rendering deepens 
>> the
>> shadows excessively. David sent me a rendering as well. His pulls down
>> the highlights without deepening the shadows. I'm going to rework the
>> original file. Thanks for the feedback and the PhotoShop work.
>
> Excellent pic BTW. I'll pull it shortly.
>
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Re: HP source

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

>London is a little short on tall buildings. 

Bob, you're taking this thread to new heights.

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Digital light meter?

[Bob W]

Hi,

I have a Sekonic L-608 light meter, which was pretty much top of the
range when I bought it. It's a very good, accurate light meter which
delivers excellent results.

The Sekonic web site is now showing the L-758DR:
http://www.sekonic.com/products/products.asp?ID=130

What problems does this solve?

It claims to be able to calibrate your camera, work out the dynamic
range it can handle, and give you the exposure to suit.

I don't really understand why the exposure should be any different, or
what benefit that is, so perhaps someone can explain it to me. Is this
only a benefit with reflected readings, or is it a benefit with
incident readings too? Are the benefits anything other than marginal?

I have never noticed any problems with the exposures recommended by my
L-608. Just to check, I took a few photos today of things that a
reflective meter might have problems with. Here are some of them:
http://www.web-options.com/meter/

The second picture of the house was taken with the camera on P, just
to show that the meter has been fooled. The other pictures were on
manual, using an incident reading. Where's the problem?

I have looked at the histograms of these pictures, and they're fine.
In particular, the correctly exposed house shows no clipping at the
white end at all. I'd like to understand how the L-758DR helps?

Incidentally, I'm not normally a cropper, but I've been playing with
Lightroom, and cropped the picture of the boat to 35mm proportions
(2:3) and the statue of Wally to the Golden Ratio (1:1.618), which
seems appropriate for the surrounding architecture. I like the way LR
gives you the ability to set fixed aspect ratios.

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Re: Is this a good deal??

[Bob Sullivan]

Walt,
It is the last of the Pentax film line.
I don't own one, but remember favorable reviews.
Nothing special, just another tyro camera...
Regards, Bob S.

On 3/11/07, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Pentax ist SLR (film) camera with 28-90mm f3.5-5.6 Pentax autofocus lens.
> LNIB. Purchased 9/05, only 5 rolls taken (I've converted to 100% digital).
> Excellent compact, lightweight camera. Tiffen UV filter, camera strap, extra
> batteries included. Initial cost $395 (plus shipping). For sale at $125,
> shipping included in CONUS."
>
> This ad is on a site I frequent. I am not familiar with the ist film camera.
>
> Walt
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Re: Having bought a monopod

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Well, I've just parted with $140 (ouch the local taxes and prices) and
>now I am happy chap with Manfrotto 676b (digi?) monopod and Manfrotto
>486rc2 ball head. I opted to buy this slightly more expensive (at
>least locally) ball head, 'cause I hope I will be using it on my
>tripod as well, instead of that rather awkward head that came with it.

Good choice. I have the 486, great piece of kit. I use it on a 190 CLB

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Re: I can only say OMG they're real!

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Wow, I know JUST what I need to complete my Pentax collection.  Too bad 
>paying for it is going to be a pain in the ass.

I had plans to buy one, but now you've gone and wrecked 'em.

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