RE: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Tom C]

I like this.  I didn't at first.  But it grows on me.

Maybe a little less DOF would have been a benefit?

Nice.  Would probably look pretty good in a sepia tone also.

Tom C.

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>Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical
>study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
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>Comments and critique always appreciated.
>
>enjoy
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Cotty]

On 06/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical  
>study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
>
>Comments and critique always appreciated.

It was worth posting. Good job mate.

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GESO - Trip to the Arboretum

[Tom C]

I took a trip to the Dallas Arboretum on Saturday afternoon.  Cooperative 
overcast skies.

http://photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=358047

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Re: 28-70

[Joseph Tainter]

Hi,
The Don gave me the two above mentioned lenses to test drive over the
weekend. I'm presuming these are USM lenses. Right now, they seem to be
using the body motor for focusing. Do I need to upgrade the firmware to
utilize the lens's focusing motor?
Thanks

William Robb

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Bill, I would not update your firmware just to try SDM. If it is any 
faster than the shaft drive, you will need precise instruments to 
measure the difference. If you are shooting wildlife the quiet is nice, 
but otherwise I can see no advantage to SDM. I think it is mostly a 
marketing gimmick, like some other things Pentax has done because the 
competition has done them.

You can try the 50-135 just fine with the shaft drive. If focuses rather 
slowly by either method.

If you buy one of the DA* lenses, you can consider whether to update the 
firmware for SDM. I would like Pentax to bring out a firmware update 
that allows one to switch between shaft drive and SDM.

Joe

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Re: Dirt-cheap MX + 40mm

[P. J. Alling]

This is damn near the silliest thing I've ever seen. I hope you sell 
lots of them.

John Celio wrote:
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Re: Dirt-cheap MX + 40mm

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 8:00:55 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://tinyurl.com/2tat4n

It's not what you think.  ;)

John

==
Hehehehe.

Somehow I think we might  see one of these for sale on ebay someday (put 
together).

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Re: PESO - Napa Quilt

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 5:10:29 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nope, doesn't do  anything for me so far - how close to finished is it?
What more are you going  to do?

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Redo it. Quilt the bottom  more, probably the pictures. The little triangles 
at the bottom got too small. I  was going to put a triangled border around the 
whole thing originally and I  still may. It doesn't look quite quilty enough 
yet, so I need to try some of  these ideas and others see what happens. 
Basically I need to find some quilting  patterns, which I haven't yet. Maybe 
some 
with a star.

Thanks for the  honest reaction.

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http://tinyurl.com/2tat4n

It's not what you think. ;)

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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Paul Stenquist]

Nicely done. But perhaps a few too many like this out there.
Paul
On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical
> study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
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> Comments and critique always appreciated.
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> enjoy
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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for looking. Yeah, probably shouldn't have tagged it as a   
"hay ride." I'm not one who feels that photos -- let alone PESOs --  
should have a title, so I give it very little thought. Had a good  
time today with Grace at the pumpkin patch.
Paul
On Oct 6, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Hmmm...without you mentioning it, I would have never really noticed
> this was a hay ride, let alone a ride of any type.  I do see some
> people enjoying themselves however.
>
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> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 3:49:20 PM, you wrote:
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> PS> On a hayride at the pumpkin farm today with some friends.
> PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6501260
> PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6501261
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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for looking. Yes, I kept the shutter speed down. Wanted to get  
a bit of motion. The post doesn't really bother me, but perhaps  
that's because I know the context.
Paul
On Oct 6, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Paul,
> First shot has a couple problems (background post) and, of course,  
> some
> movement blur. The blur, however, can be a part of the message when it
> comes to children.
> Grace looks extra cute in a pony tail. I happily remember the time  
> when
> my daughters reached an age where such joyful events would likely  
> be at
> least partially retained in their memories.
>
> Jack
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Marnie. Thanks for looking. The slow shutter is intentional.  
Wanted to get a bit of movement in there. Didn't work as well on the  
first as on the second, but I didn't want these to be real static and  
frozen.
Paul
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> In a message dated 10/6/2007 3:58:41 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ==
> They  both seem blurry and that detracts. The second not as much,  
> but no
> where near  your best. Grace, naturally, no matter how she is shot,  
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

I'm pleased to hear it. Thanks!

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that improves things quite a bit.  Now the stump doesn't look
> so
> out of place - it provides a nice backdrop.  This crop changes it for
> me to something I like.
> 
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> 
> 
> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 2:10:54 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> Thanks, Godfrey. As you now know, I received your re-crop idea
> and am
> JD> here providing the link to another version of the scene, the same
> one I
> JD> provided in response to your 'crop' email.
> 
> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242
> 
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> 
> JD> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> As presented, it does little for me.
> >> However, a rather severe crop starts to bring it alive ... It
> would
> >> be a candidate to go back and shoot again.
> >> 
> >> I'll send you an idea of what I see...
> >> 
> >> Godfrey
> >> 
> >> On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >> 
> >> > No, certainly not too much feedback. I'm only slightly lukewarm
> >> about
> >> > this one myself.
> >> > I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My
> only
> >> > negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but
> >> shows
> >> > the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint
> at
> >> the
> >> > symmetry and sweep I'd like to have seen.
> >> >
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Re: Probably just a typo.....

[P. J. Alling]

Anthony, I don't have any trouble getting to the site with either link. 
(I don't have a Google account of any kind).

Anthony Farr wrote:
> Damn, last week I could email a link straight to a photo that anyone
> could view in a Picasa Web Album, without signing in.  Today I checked
> the link before signing in and found that sign-in is required.  What
> use is that?!!
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> This might work, but I won't hold my breath:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI
>
> Why can't Google learn from newspapers' experience, that requiring
> registration to just view the site will drive a wedge between
> advertisers (the site owners bread & butter) and the public they wish
> to advertise at.
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>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI/photo#5118286083288949490
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2hcluf
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Re: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, again, Ken.

Jack
--- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A definite improvement, although I wasn't thinking of a vertical
> crop.
> 
> I misstated my original suggestion -
> >"I think the composition would be improved by doing a vertical crop
> from 
> >the top down to the top >most part of the stump on the LH side".
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> I obviously meant horizontal instead of vertical.
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Subject: Re: Wild Oats
> 
> 
> > Thanks, Ken. I'm providing my preferred version which you may have
> > missed.
> > Your comments always appreciated.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242
> >
> >
> > --- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> Nice subject & light but I think the composition would be improved
> by
> >> doing
> >> a vertical crop from the top down to the top most part of the
> stump
> >> on the
> >> LH side.
> >>
> >> Kenneth Waller
> >> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: PESO: Wild Oats
> >>
> >>
> >> > All comments welcome.
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > K10D, DA 16~45, 100 ISO
> >> >
> >> > Jack
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> >> >
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Jack Davis]

You are making sense, Bruce. Honestly, I, too, prefer the original full
porch shot. I offered this to give another choice to those who might
prefer it.

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope, don't like the crop - it loses a lot for me - the essence of
> the
> porch was all the stuff on it.  The crop takes all that away and
> focuses on a specific area that wasn't where I really focused before.
> It is kind of like comparing a picture of a bird to a picture of a
> bird head.  If you only want me to see the bird head, then the crop
> is
> fine, but if you want me to see the bird, then show me.
> 
> I thought the porch had character, just bad light.  The crop no
> longer
> looks like a porch, so I see steps and a flag - not the character I
> saw before.  I hope I am making sense.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 2:37:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> Marnie, I'm offering this crop in response to your much
> appreciated
> JD> comments.
> JD> Probably my final offering.
> JD> Thanks.
> 
> JD> Jack :)
> 
> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=243
> 
>  
> JD> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> In a message dated 10/6/2007 6:47:40 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> All comments gladly  received.
> >> 
> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=239
> >> 
> >> K10D,  FA 28~80 f/2.8, 100 ISO
> >> 
> >> Jack
> >> 
> >> =
> >> I see houses like  that and wonder how I can shoot them so they
> would
> >> be 
> >> interesting. There is some  inherent interest there, of course.
> >> Somehow, Jack, in 
> >> this case, I don't think  you quite made it. Close but not quite
> >> there. Hope 
> >> that is clear (and helpful),  because it's hard to explain what I
> >> mean.
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Re: PESO: Country Porch II

[Jack Davis]

I don't disagree. I just had to put one up that included the rose bush
and mailbox.
If I had thought the scene worthwhile, I'd have asked if I could come
into the yard and porch area to really work it.

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I like the angle and composition of the first shot better.
> 
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> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 9:52:49 AM, you wrote:
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> JD> Took a few shots from my drive-by position.  Shot a few  as I
> slowly
> JD> moved along changing the perspective.
> JD> I didn't notice the gentlemen on the porch until I had taken 2 or
> 3. He
> JD> wanted to know if he could help me with something to which I
> replied,"I
> JD> like your friendly looking house..I hope you don't mind". I
> further
> JD> said, "I'm a local photographer just enjoying the day".
> JD> He assured me it was fine and that he just was wondering.
> JD> I could have titled this, "Country Welcome".
> 
> JD> Jack
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> 
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Re: PESO: "Translucent" Vulture

[Jack Davis]

The bird was in almost complete silhouette. I'd have needed a flash
with pretty large guide number to have lit up his underside. ;-)
I was pleased to have gotten the slightest hint of red and the
slightest glint of beak detail.
I don't consider either of the vulture shots to be successes, but I do
like what the sun is doing with the feather tips.

Jack 

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is something to be seen in the feathers that are lit up, but
> I'd
> still like to see the head clearly.  I suspect you need some pretty
> serious equipment to really do it justice.
> 
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> 
> 
> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 11:14:36 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> This is just another shot of a California "Turkey" Vulture with
> the sun
> JD> lighting up its feathers.
> JD> I only slightly lightened the shadows and kind of prefer this
> version
> JD> for a couple reasons. Pretty heavily cropped. Same equipment.
> JD> This shot isn't one for which I have glorious plans..just is of
> current
> JD> mild interest.
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: Probably just a typo.....

[Anthony Farr]

Damn, last week I could email a link straight to a photo that anyone
could view in a Picasa Web Album, without signing in.  Today I checked
the link before signing in and found that sign-in is required.  What
use is that?!!

This might work, but I won't hold my breath:

http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI

Why can't Google learn from newspapers' experience, that requiring
registration to just view the site will drive a wedge between
advertisers (the site owners bread & butter) and the public they wish
to advertise at.

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> this intriguing tidbit tucked away inside Picasa:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI/photo#5118286083288949490
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2hcluf
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Jack Davis]

I got that from someone else, also. When I posted it I subdued the
light so as to make out the roof shingle detail. 
My monitor doesn't agree now, but then it may be my 'normally'
developing cataracts..as my eye Dr put it.
Thanks!

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Light is the big issue here for me.  It is very bright and harsh. 
> The
> actual porch looks to have some very interesting things to look at
> but, you'd need to improve the light to get a really good shot.
> 
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> 
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> Saturday, October 6, 2007, 6:44:02 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> All comments gladly received.
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

I put up my favorite version after this one. I just sent it in response
to Ken Waller's comments. Perhaps you'll run across it.
Thanks for all remarks, Bruce

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, the oats are set off from the stump nicely, but the stump just
> doesn't seem like it fits.  So doesn't quite do it for me.
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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Re: Wild Oats

[Kenneth Waller]

A definite improvement, although I wasn't thinking of a vertical crop.

I misstated my original suggestion -
>"I think the composition would be improved by doing a vertical crop from 
>the top down to the top >most part of the stump on the LH side".

I obviously meant horizontal instead of vertical.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Wild Oats


> Thanks, Ken. I'm providing my preferred version which you may have
> missed.
> Your comments always appreciated.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242
>
>
> --- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Nice subject & light but I think the composition would be improved by
>> doing
>> a vertical crop from the top down to the top most part of the stump
>> on the
>> LH side.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO: Wild Oats
>>
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Re: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Ken. I'm providing my preferred version which you may have
missed.
Your comments always appreciated.

Jack

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> Nice subject & light but I think the composition would be improved by
> doing 
> a vertical crop from the top down to the top most part of the stump
> on the 
> LH side.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
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> 
> - Original Message - 
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> 
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Re: Country Porch

[Jack Davis]

Thanks! I understand. I offered it to those who might sigh and say,
"bless their hearts".
Can't help but feel the house must hold some 'good people'.

Jack
--- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While nicely exposed & focused, this one doesn't do anything for me.
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Bruce Dayton]

You know what really caught my eye right away - that broken spoke.
The tree fills in very nicely for the missing part of the spoke -
pretty nice picture, I think.

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GD> Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical
GD> study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)

GD>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm

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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

[Bruce Dayton]

Hmmm...without you mentioning it, I would have never really noticed
this was a hay ride, let alone a ride of any type.  I do see some
people enjoying themselves however.

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PS> On a hayride at the pumpkin farm today with some friends.
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Bruce Dayton]

Nope, don't like the crop - it loses a lot for me - the essence of the
porch was all the stuff on it.  The crop takes all that away and
focuses on a specific area that wasn't where I really focused before.
It is kind of like comparing a picture of a bird to a picture of a
bird head.  If you only want me to see the bird head, then the crop is
fine, but if you want me to see the bird, then show me.

I thought the porch had character, just bad light.  The crop no longer
looks like a porch, so I see steps and a flag - not the character I
saw before.  I hope I am making sense.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007, 2:37:06 PM, you wrote:

JD> Marnie, I'm offering this crop in response to your much appreciated
JD> comments.
JD> Probably my final offering.
JD> Thanks.

JD> Jack :)

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=243

 
JD> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> In a message dated 10/6/2007 6:47:40 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> All comments gladly  received.
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>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=239
>> 
>> K10D,  FA 28~80 f/2.8, 100 ISO
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> =
>> I see houses like  that and wonder how I can shoot them so they would
>> be 
>> interesting. There is some  inherent interest there, of course.
>> Somehow, Jack, in 
>> this case, I don't think  you quite made it. Close but not quite
>> there. Hope 
>> that is clear (and helpful),  because it's hard to explain what I
>> mean.
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Re: PESO - Evening at the Lake

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks for the comments.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007, 1:41:20 PM, you wrote:

DC> Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> One of my older shots.
>>
>> Pentax PZ-1p, F 17-28/3.4-4.5 Fisheye
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0048-21.htm
>>
>>   
DC> Gorgeous colour. And an example of rules that are made to be broken.
DC> Horizon line is just about through the centre. But the should wouldn't
DC> work as well if it showed either more sky or more reeds.

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Re: PESO - Napa Quilt

[Bruce Dayton]

Nope, doesn't do anything for me so far - how close to finished is it?
What more are you going to do?

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Eac> I showed this photo last year. Most liked it.  Some liked it better in B&W.
Eac> Taken in Napa on a sans Shel trip.

Eac> I  started playing with it a few days after showing it. For some reason it
Eac> made me  think of a quilt. I came back to it today and finished it up. Not
Eac> quite, quite  what I want but getting there.

Eac> Warning, this is not a pure photograph.  Something  different...

Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/quilt.htm

Eac> I'd  appreciate knowing if it does anything for you. I may play with it 
even
Eac> more in  the future. 

Eac> Won't be one bit surprised if no one likes it but  me.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, that improves things quite a bit.  Now the stump doesn't look so
out of place - it provides a nice backdrop.  This crop changes it for
me to something I like.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007, 2:10:54 PM, you wrote:

JD> Thanks, Godfrey. As you now know, I received your re-crop idea and am
JD> here providing the link to another version of the scene, the same one I
JD> provided in response to your 'crop' email.

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242

JD> Jack

JD> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> As presented, it does little for me.
>> However, a rather severe crop starts to bring it alive ... It would
>> be a candidate to go back and shoot again.
>> 
>> I'll send you an idea of what I see...
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> > No, certainly not too much feedback. I'm only slightly lukewarm
>> about
>> > this one myself.
>> > I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My only
>> > negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but
>> shows
>> > the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint at
>> the
>> > symmetry and sweep I'd like to have seen.
>> >
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Re: PESO - Little Angel

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:09 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My youngest daughter  a few years ago.

Pentax PZ-1p, FA*  85/1.4

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0230-17a.htm

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Looks like she's always been seriously cute.  :-) Nice shot, has a nice retro 
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 3:59:44 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Meandering through some older  work, I found this fairly classical  
study and thought it was worth  posting ... :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm

Comments and critique  always  appreciated.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[P. J. Alling]

I thought it was one Godfry posted before.

Kenneth Waller wrote:
> Very nice. Reminds me of one I've seen here before.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG
>
>
>   
>> Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical  
>> study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
>>
>>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
>>
>> Comments and critique always appreciated.
>>
>> enjoy
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Re: PESO: "Translucent" Vulture

[Bruce Dayton]

There is something to be seen in the feathers that are lit up, but I'd
still like to see the head clearly.  I suspect you need some pretty
serious equipment to really do it justice.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007, 11:14:36 AM, you wrote:

JD> This is just another shot of a California "Turkey" Vulture with the sun
JD> lighting up its feathers.
JD> I only slightly lightened the shadows and kind of prefer this version
JD> for a couple reasons. Pretty heavily cropped. Same equipment.
JD> This shot isn't one for which I have glorious plans..just is of current
JD> mild interest.

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=241

JD> As always, all comments welcome

JD> Jack





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Re: PESO: Country Porch II

[Bruce Dayton]

I like the angle and composition of the first shot better.

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JD> Took a few shots from my drive-by position.  Shot a few  as I slowly
JD> moved along changing the perspective.
JD> I didn't notice the gentlemen on the porch until I had taken 2 or 3. He
JD> wanted to know if he could help me with something to which I replied,"I
JD> like your friendly looking house..I hope you don't mind". I further
JD> said, "I'm a local photographer just enjoying the day".
JD> He assured me it was fine and that he just was wondering.
JD> I could have titled this, "Country Welcome".

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

You're right it isn't a copyright or trademark issue, it is a property 
rights/trespass issue, however the lawyers for the Plantation decided to 
sue the photographer for copyright infringement, for which they clearly 
have no standing.

Since you haven't seen the pictures I'll keep this simple, the 
Photograph in question is of an old oak tree lined road. The oak trees 
are at 250+ years old. At this point even if the road were laid out by a 
surveyor, (and not generations of Deer), and the trees planted by a 
gardener, (and didn't simply take advantage of the clearings to the side 
of the road), they have long since stopped being a work of man and have 
become a work of nature. As such they are not subject to copyright, (if 
they are then I guess the US Government could claim copyright to the 
Grand Canyon, something I think none of us would like to see). The 
Foundation is therefor claiming copyright to something that cannot be 
copyrighted. On the face of it this case should go no farther than the 
nearest circular file.

The Codicil is in this case unenforceable, it is only enforceable on the 
foundation, who in this case is mistaking a limitation on itself, with a 
limitation on a third party. In my humble opinion the Grantor wanted to 
make sure that the foundation didn't sell the likeness of the Plantation 
House to a business concern, probably to avoid the creation of something 
like "Old Dixie Plantation, Sour Mash Whiskey" or "Old Dixie Plantation, 
Real Old Fashioned Lemonade", with an Image of the plantation house 
prominently displayed on the packaging. I doubt very much that a former 
wildlife artist would want to hurt another artist with an aesthetic 
appreciation of the Plantation's beauty, (this does not in any way 
forgive the trespass however).

If the rule of no photographs is clearly stated and enforced and the 
Photographer entered the property without permission, then he is clearly 
liable for being charged with criminal trespass. The photograph itself 
is proof of the charge. That is an open and shut case. Criminal trespass 
is a felony in most states carrying with it some jail time and a hefty 
fine, (I don't know the law in South Carolina, but in Texas it could get 
you shot). I would think that a felony conviction would serve the case 
better than a lawsuit seeking monetary damages.

I was going to say that if the Photographer attempted to sell the images 
to a commercial concern for advertising or trademarking purposes, he 
might be in trouble. But I'm not even sure that would be true,the 
commercial enterprise would probably be if it then used the name "The 
Dixie Plantation" in their advertising along with the photographs.

There is however another question. If the images were obtained 
unlawfully, (even thought copyright isn't involved), what should be done 
with the profits from them?


graywolf wrote:
> It is not a copyright or trademark issue. It is a property rights issue. 
> There 
> is nothing stopping you from taking a photo of my Blazer, but since with its 
> unique pattern of red primer, or a visible license plate it is clearly my 
> particular car, you can not sell photos of it without my permission.
>
> I have not seen the pictures in issue, but if they are clearly of their 
> property 
> they have a solid case, but if they are just a tree line road that could be 
> any 
> such road anywhere, they do not. That most likely will be something for the 
> courts to decide.
>
> To make matters worse there is apparently a codicil in the will that gave 
> them 
> the property prohibiting commercial use of the property. If they do not fight 
> those photographs they could lose the property to family members who probably 
> resent that he left the property to someone else.
>
> It sounds like a real legal tangle all the way around.
>
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> I believe you're wrong on that. You might be able to trademark the image 
>> of something. Which will limit the use of images of it in some ways,In 
>> fact the Colt Firearms Co. has trademarked the Blue Dome of their former 
>> building, and no one else is allowed to use it in connection with gun 
>> manufacture or gun sales, but that's really a very limited control of 
>> the image. You can't copyright a work of nature, and the copyright on 
>> any the buildings on the Plantation if it ever existed at all has fallen 
>> into the public domain. His crime is trespass plain and simple, if he 
>> had permission to be there, and had a camera with him, then that 
>> permission had to be revoked, (or given with stipulations to begin 
>> with), for even that to be the case.
>>
>> graywolf wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
>>> someone 
>>> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does 
>>> have the 
>>> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
>>> selling 
>>> the images that is questionable. One would as

Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Kenneth Waller]

Very nice. Reminds me of one I've seen here before.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Subject: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG


> Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical  
> study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
> 
>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
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Re: PESO: Sundew

[Bruce Dayton]

Pretty interesting as an abstract.  The all green is kind of cool.  I
wish there was a tiny bit more DOF to show up the stem coming from the
lower left corner.  Overall, I like it.

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DC> Oh boy,

DC> PC power supply self destructed on Thursday night. Acrid smell in the
DC> room took me right back to my engineering days working on inverters for
DC> implantable defibrilllators. Just managed to resurrect the PC this evening.

DC> So, a PESO.

DC> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_sundew/01.htm

DC> The manual focus on the DFA 50mm macro is surprisingly declassé. But I
DC> love the convenience of the quick-shift focus. And as with all Pentax
DC> macros, the bokeh is luscious.

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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 3:58:41 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On a hayride at the  pumpkin farm today with some  friends.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6501260
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6501261

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They  both seem blurry and that detracts. The second not as much, but no 
where near  your best. Grace, naturally, no matter how she is shot, remains 
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Re: Wild Oats

[Kenneth Waller]

Nice subject & light but I think the composition would be improved by doing 
a vertical crop from the top down to the top most part of the stump on the 
LH side.

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> All comments welcome.
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Bruce Dayton]

Light is the big issue here for me.  It is very bright and harsh.  The
actual porch looks to have some very interesting things to look at
but, you'd need to improve the light to get a really good shot.

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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, the oats are set off from the stump nicely, but the stump just
doesn't seem like it fits.  So doesn't quite do it for me.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007, 6:24:49 AM, you wrote:

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Re: Country Porch

[Kenneth Waller]

While nicely exposed & focused, this one doesn't do anything for me.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Jack Davis]

"Classical" is often used in place of "Cliche".
Debris in back of the wheel detracts.
Texture does suit the image.

Jack
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> 
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Re: PESO: Hay Ride

[Jack Davis]

Paul,
First shot has a couple problems (background post) and, of course, some
movement blur. The blur, however, can be a part of the message when it
comes to children.
Grace looks extra cute in a pony tail. I happily remember the time when
my daughters reached an age where such joyful events would likely be at
least partially retained in their memories.

Jack 
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Brian! Me too.

Jack
--- Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jack
> 
> You've pretty much summed up my feelings about the image.  I love the
> colour of the grasses and the texture of the stump but the obvious
> saw cuts detract from it.
> 
> The more severe crop of the second attempt is much better.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
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> 
> Quoting Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My only
> > negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but
> > shows
> > the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint at
> > the
> > symmetry and sweep I'd like to have seen.
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Brian Walters]

The close cropping makes it for me.  The only quibble is that I find the 
sapling in the background just above the broken spoke just slightly 
distracting.  It does, however, give continuity to that spoke and I'm not 
entirely sure whether it improves or detracts from the image.

A minor issue anyway. I like this one a lot.


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Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical 
> 
> study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm
> 
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

Sure and I'm not allowed to make a copy of your building, without paying 
royalties, but photographing your building is not making a copy of it. 
More importantly the image in question appears to be of entirely natural 
origin. Unless someone can prove the road was laid out by a surveyor and 
not several generations of deer. Even then it is over 200 years old and 
has long since fallen into the public domain if it was even possible to 
copyright to begin with, a point I would dispute.

Adam Maas wrote:
> Tnat depends. Anything that's designed can be copyrighted(Buildings, 
> gardens, etc), but if it's essentially naturally occuring it can only be 
> trademarked.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> These scenes can be trademarked, not copyrighted a different thing all 
>> together.
>>
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> In some (or maybe many) cases the scenes are copyright protected
>>> company logos and I suppose that could be at play.(?)
>>> I've understood for some time that "The Lone Cypress", on the Monterey
>>> peninsula's "17 Mile Drive", is one such site.
>>> Sometime in the late 90's I shot the scene, but it's not on my site.
>>> (don't even know where the image is at this point)
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 yeah, that's what I thought - they could get him for trespassing, but
 I don't think he was doing anything illegal by taking a photograph.
 What I don't understand is how you can place a legally binding
 contract forbidding photographs of your land to be sold...do you have
 to put up signs or something?  what nonsense.

 rg2

 On 10/6/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 
> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>   
>> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
>> 
>> 
 after
 
 
>> him
>> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
>>>   
>>>   
 rights
 
 
>> should
>> 
>> 
>>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be
>>>   
>>>   
 compromised by
 
 
>>> being held up to the world to see.
>>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>>>   
>>>   
>> from
>> 
>> 
>>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
>>>   
>>>   
 from
 
 
>> a
>> 
>> 
>>> public property position.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?

 http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html

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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Brian Walters]

Hi Jack

You've pretty much summed up my feelings about the image.  I love the colour of 
the grasses and the texture of the stump but the obvious saw cuts detract from 
it.

The more severe crop of the second attempt is much better.


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Quoting Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My only
> negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but
> shows
> the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint at
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

Maybe but you are using logic starting from incorrect assumptions, I am 
stating law, two different things. A work of nature cannot be 
copyrighted period. The photograph in question is of a group of 250+ 
year old oak trees. They stopped being a work of man a long time ago, if 
they ever were. No copyright applies. The road was probably a originally 
a dear track, once again no copyright applies. In this case I don't even 
have to go into materials entering the public domain. The trespass is 
another matter for which there can be a legal argument. However as I 
said, the photographer is not being sued for that.

Jack Davis wrote:
> NO NO. You are separating points and misapplying the logic.
> As I said below Peter, and with all due respect, I think I've taken
> this as far as I care to.
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> You entirely miss the point. You cannot claim copyright on something
>> you 
>> hold no copyright to. If he pays it will be a miscarriage of justice
>> and 
>> in the end all photographers will pay and pay dearly.
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Copyright protected (against commercial image use) sights have been
>>>   
>> in
>> 
>>> existence for quite awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Ham pays,
>>> especially due to the trespass issue.
>>> Without taking it any further, if it is the sight I am guessing it
>>>   
>> is,
>> 
>>> it is one which is much used for commercial purposed.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Yes, but they're suing him for copyright infringement. That's the 
 problem they're idiots, and if they can manage to get a court ot
 
>> go 
>> 
 along with them in the interests of justice then it hurts us all.
 
>> The
>> 
 case as it stands should be thrown out and the proper legal action
 
 taken. That is unless he had permission to be there then they have
 
>> no
>> 
 standing.

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 
> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>   
>   
>> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
>> 
>> after
>> 
>> him 
>> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
>>>   
>> rights
>> 
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> should
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be
>>>   
>> compromised
>> 
>>>   
>>>   
 by
 
 
>>> being held up to the world to see.
>>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>>>   
>>>   
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>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?

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PESO 2007 - 41c - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Meandering through some older work, I found this fairly classical  
study and thought it was worth posting ... :-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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PESO: Hay Ride

[Paul Stenquist]

On a hayride at the pumpkin farm today with some friends.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6501260
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

This just so completely confuses copyright and trademark infringement 
with a bit of the we can control everything cant the Dixie Plantation 
has for the basis of their suit that it's just scary. It seems we 
photographers are already paying for this.

graywolf wrote:
> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
> someone 
> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does have 
> the 
> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
> selling 
> the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the 
> income 
> from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to 
> send 
> me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .
>
>
> Jack Davis wrote:
>   
>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
>> being held up to the world to see.
>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
>> public property position.
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>>
>>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Adam Maas]

Tnat depends. Anything that's designed can be copyrighted(Buildings, 
gardens, etc), but if it's essentially naturally occuring it can only be 
trademarked.

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
> These scenes can be trademarked, not copyrighted a different thing all 
> together.
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
>> In some (or maybe many) cases the scenes are copyright protected
>> company logos and I suppose that could be at play.(?)
>> I've understood for some time that "The Lone Cypress", on the Monterey
>> peninsula's "17 Mile Drive", is one such site.
>> Sometime in the late 90's I shot the scene, but it's not on my site.
>> (don't even know where the image is at this point)
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> yeah, that's what I thought - they could get him for trespassing, but
>>> I don't think he was doing anything illegal by taking a photograph.
>>> What I don't understand is how you can place a legally binding
>>> contract forbidding photographs of your land to be sold...do you have
>>> to put up signs or something?  what nonsense.
>>>
>>> rg2
>>>
>>> On 10/6/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
 In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?

 Jack
 --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   
> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
> 
>>> after
>>> 
> him
> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
>
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
>>   
>>> rights
>>> 
> should
> 
>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be
>>   
>>> compromised by
>>> 
>> being held up to the world to see.
>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>>   
> from
> 
>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
>>   
>>> from
>>> 
> a
> 
>> public property position.
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>>
>>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
>>>
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Re: PESO: Not Toe Food

[Jack Davis]

Appears he is looking hungrily at said toes. Cute shot and it gives me
another descriptive reference for tofu. 

Jack
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Jack Davis]

NO NO. You are separating points and misapplying the logic.
As I said below Peter, and with all due respect, I think I've taken
this as far as I care to.

Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You entirely miss the point. You cannot claim copyright on something
> you 
> hold no copyright to. If he pays it will be a miscarriage of justice
> and 
> in the end all photographers will pay and pay dearly.
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Copyright protected (against commercial image use) sights have been
> in
> > existence for quite awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Ham pays,
> > especially due to the trespass issue.
> > Without taking it any further, if it is the sight I am guessing it
> is,
> > it is one which is much used for commercial purposed.
> >
> > Jack
> > --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Yes, but they're suing him for copyright infringement. That's the 
> >> problem they're idiots, and if they can manage to get a court ot
> go 
> >> along with them in the interests of justice then it hurts us all.
> The
> >>
> >> case as it stands should be thrown out and the proper legal action
> 
> >> taken. That is unless he had permission to be there then they have
> no
> >>
> >> standing.
> >>
> >> Jack Davis wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
> after
>  him 
>  for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
> 
>  Jack Davis wrote:
>  
>  
> > Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
> rights
> >   
> >   
>  should
>  
>  
> > always be respected especially when privacy is to be
> compromised
> >   
> >> by
> >> 
> > being held up to the world to see.
> > "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> > That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
> >   
> >   
>  from
>  
>  
> > taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
> >   
> >> from
> >> 
> >   
> >   
>  a
>  
>  
> > public property position.
> >
> > Jack
> > --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >   
> >   
> >   
> >> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
> >>
> >> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, I did, however, sort of like the full house version that
included the rose bush and mail box. The guy in the camo pants didn't
add much. ;)

Jack
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:45:47 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Marnie, I'm offering this  crop in response to your much appreciated
> comments.
> Probably my final  offering.
> Thanks.
> 
> Jack  :)
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=243
> 
> =
> Better.  The full building was adding anything by being all there. 
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
> -
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

These scenes can be trademarked, not copyrighted a different thing all 
together.


Jack Davis wrote:
> In some (or maybe many) cases the scenes are copyright protected
> company logos and I suppose that could be at play.(?)
> I've understood for some time that "The Lone Cypress", on the Monterey
> peninsula's "17 Mile Drive", is one such site.
> Sometime in the late 90's I shot the scene, but it's not on my site.
> (don't even know where the image is at this point)
>
> Jack
> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> yeah, that's what I thought - they could get him for trespassing, but
>> I don't think he was doing anything illegal by taking a photograph.
>> What I don't understand is how you can place a legally binding
>> contract forbidding photographs of your land to be sold...do you have
>> to put up signs or something?  what nonsense.
>>
>> rg2
>>
>> On 10/6/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
 
>> after
>> 
 him
 for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
>   
>> rights
>> 
 should
 
> always be respected especially when privacy is to be
>   
>> compromised by
>> 
> being held up to the world to see.
> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>   
 from
 
> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
>   
>> from
>> 
 a
 
> public property position.
>
> Jack
> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>
>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

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You entirely miss the point. You cannot claim copyright on something you 
hold no copyright to. If he pays it will be a miscarriage of justice and 
in the end all photographers will pay and pay dearly.

Jack Davis wrote:
> Copyright protected (against commercial image use) sights have been in
> existence for quite awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Ham pays,
> especially due to the trespass issue.
> Without taking it any further, if it is the sight I am guessing it is,
> it is one which is much used for commercial purposed.
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, but they're suing him for copyright infringement. That's the 
>> problem they're idiots, and if they can manage to get a court ot go 
>> along with them in the interests of justice then it hurts us all. The
>>
>> case as it stands should be thrown out and the proper legal action 
>> taken. That is unless he had permission to be there then they have no
>>
>> standing.
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after
 him 
 for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 
> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights
>   
>   
 should
 
 
> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised
>   
>> by
>> 
> being held up to the world to see.
> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>   
>   
 from
 
 
> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
>   
>> from
>> 
>   
>   
 a
 
 
> public property position.
>
> Jack
> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>   
>   
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>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>
>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Marnie. As I told Godfrey off list, this is my personal choice.
The one I posted earlier was my asking a question of the group.

Jack
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> Thanks, Godfrey. As you now  know, I received your re-crop idea and
> am
> here providing the link to another  version of the scene, the same
> one I
> provided in response to your 'crop'  email.
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242
> 
> Jack
> 
> ==
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Re: PESO: Not Toe Food

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 3:03:07 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/NotToeFood.jpg

This  was the lonely Sandpiper that felt right at home  yesterday.

Walt


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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:13:47 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks, Godfrey. As you now  know, I received your re-crop idea and am
here providing the link to another  version of the scene, the same one I
provided in response to your 'crop'  email.

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242

Jack

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Re: PESO: Country Porch

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:45:47 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Marnie, I'm offering this  crop in response to your much appreciated
comments.
Probably my final  offering.
Thanks.

Jack  :)

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=
Better.  The full building was adding anything by being all there. 

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PESO: Not Toe Food

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Adam Maas]

This is a very grey area. If your Blazer is parked in a public area when 
the picture was taken, you have no standing to sue. If it was on private 
property, things get murky (unless the photographer was also on the same 
private property, at which point the question becomes one of straight 
trespass).

-Adam


graywolf wrote:
> It is not a copyright or trademark issue. It is a property rights issue. 
> There 
> is nothing stopping you from taking a photo of my Blazer, but since with its 
> unique pattern of red primer, or a visible license plate it is clearly my 
> particular car, you can not sell photos of it without my permission.
> 
> I have not seen the pictures in issue, but if they are clearly of their 
> property 
> they have a solid case, but if they are just a tree line road that could be 
> any 
> such road anywhere, they do not. That most likely will be something for the 
> courts to decide.
> 
> To make matters worse there is apparently a codicil in the will that gave 
> them 
> the property prohibiting commercial use of the property. If they do not fight 
> those photographs they could lose the property to family members who probably 
> resent that he left the property to someone else.
> 
> It sounds like a real legal tangle all the way around.
> 
> 
> 
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> I believe you're wrong on that. You might be able to trademark the image 
>> of something. Which will limit the use of images of it in some ways,In 
>> fact the Colt Firearms Co. has trademarked the Blue Dome of their former 
>> building, and no one else is allowed to use it in connection with gun 
>> manufacture or gun sales, but that's really a very limited control of 
>> the image. You can't copyright a work of nature, and the copyright on 
>> any the buildings on the Plantation if it ever existed at all has fallen 
>> into the public domain. His crime is trespass plain and simple, if he 
>> had permission to be there, and had a camera with him, then that 
>> permission had to be revoked, (or given with stipulations to begin 
>> with), for even that to be the case.
>>
>> graywolf wrote:
>>> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
>>> someone 
>>> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does 
>>> have the 
>>> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
>>> selling 
>>> the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the 
>>> income 
>>> from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to 
>>> send 
>>> me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>>   
 Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
 always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
 being held up to the world to see.
 "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
 That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
 taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
 public property position.

 Jack
 --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>
> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: PESO: Country Porch

[Jack Davis]

Marnie, I'm offering this crop in response to your much appreciated
comments.
Probably my final offering.
Thanks.

Jack :)

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=243

 
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> All comments gladly  received.
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=239
> 
> K10D,  FA 28~80 f/2.8, 100 ISO
> 
> Jack
> 
> =
> I see houses like  that and wonder how I can shoot them so they would
> be 
> interesting. There is some  inherent interest there, of course.
> Somehow, Jack, in 
> this case, I don't think  you quite made it. Close but not quite
> there. Hope 
> that is clear (and helpful),  because it's hard to explain what I
> mean.
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Re: PESO: Sundew

[Derby Chang]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Derby Chang wrote:
>
>   
>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_sundew/01.htm
>> 
>
> I love simple compositions like this, Derby, but this one just  
> doesn't hold my eye. There's not quite enough to make it work, imo: I  
> have to consciously push myself to stop asking "what is it?"
>
> Godfrey
>
>   

I tend to agree, Godfrey. I think it works better though as a large 
print than a web pic. None of the tonal jaggies in the OOF areas and 
lots of details in the plant bud.

FWIW, it is a shot of a baby that will grow up to be a carnivorous beast.
http://florawww.eeb.uconn.edu/acc_num/199500154.html

thanks for the comment
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[graywolf]

It is not a copyright or trademark issue. It is a property rights issue. There 
is nothing stopping you from taking a photo of my Blazer, but since with its 
unique pattern of red primer, or a visible license plate it is clearly my 
particular car, you can not sell photos of it without my permission.

I have not seen the pictures in issue, but if they are clearly of their 
property 
they have a solid case, but if they are just a tree line road that could be any 
such road anywhere, they do not. That most likely will be something for the 
courts to decide.

To make matters worse there is apparently a codicil in the will that gave them 
the property prohibiting commercial use of the property. If they do not fight 
those photographs they could lose the property to family members who probably 
resent that he left the property to someone else.

It sounds like a real legal tangle all the way around.



P. J. Alling wrote:
> I believe you're wrong on that. You might be able to trademark the image 
> of something. Which will limit the use of images of it in some ways,In 
> fact the Colt Firearms Co. has trademarked the Blue Dome of their former 
> building, and no one else is allowed to use it in connection with gun 
> manufacture or gun sales, but that's really a very limited control of 
> the image. You can't copyright a work of nature, and the copyright on 
> any the buildings on the Plantation if it ever existed at all has fallen 
> into the public domain. His crime is trespass plain and simple, if he 
> had permission to be there, and had a camera with him, then that 
> permission had to be revoked, (or given with stipulations to begin 
> with), for even that to be the case.
> 
> graywolf wrote:
>> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
>> someone 
>> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does have 
>> the 
>> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
>> selling 
>> the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the 
>> income 
>> from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to 
>> send 
>> me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .
>>
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>   
>>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
>>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
>>> being held up to the world to see.
>>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
>>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
>>> public property position.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?

 http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html

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Re: PESO - Little Angel

[Jack Davis]

Like it very much. She is seriously cute!

Jack
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Re: PESO - Yosemite Color

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/3/2007 1:56:02 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It is really pretty  good!  I have never been able to capture fall
> colors involving a larger  number of trees - only small isolation
> stuff.  This is better than  anything I have done.  Nice work.
>
> --  
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>
> ===
> Wow. Thanks!
>
> I wanted to capture the  overall feeling -- a mass of impressive color -- 
> which included the fact it was  sort of glade, with the drying colorful 
> ferns, 
> along with the surrounding trees.  Which meant a larger and messier shot than 
> I 
> would usually try for. Glad you  think it worked.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)  
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Re: PESO - Swimming Lesson Play Time

[Jack Davis]

Good one for the family album!

Jack
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Godfrey. As you now know, I received your re-crop idea and am
here providing the link to another version of the scene, the same one I
provided in response to your 'crop' email.

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=242

Jack

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As presented, it does little for me.
> However, a rather severe crop starts to bring it alive ... It would  
> be a candidate to go back and shoot again.
> 
> I'll send you an idea of what I see...
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > No, certainly not too much feedback. I'm only slightly lukewarm
> about
> > this one myself.
> > I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My only
> > negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but
> shows
> > the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint at
> the
> > symmetry and sweep I'd like to have seen.
> >
> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=238
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PESO - Little Angel

[Bruce Dayton]

My youngest daughter a few years ago.

Pentax PZ-1p, FA* 85/1.4

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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Derby Chang]

David Savage wrote:
> Warning: This is not a 100% smut free site (it's pretty tame smut
> though :-), but the main images are quite interesting.
>
> 
>
> Anybody who starts a political slanging match is a Nazi (I hear by
> declare this thread dead before it's started). But if you must send it
> off list.
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>   

Trend Micro doesn't let me open this page without special permission, 
Dave. Spyware warning.

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PESO - Swimming Lesson Play Time

[Bruce Dayton]

At the end of the swimming lessons, the kids get to play a bit in the
water.  Both of his teachers were playing with him in this one.

Pentax PZ-1p, FA* 200/2.8

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Re: PESO - Evening at the Lake

[Derby Chang]

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> One of my older shots.
>
> Pentax PZ-1p, F 17-28/3.4-4.5 Fisheye
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0048-21.htm
>
>   
Gorgeous colour. And an example of rules that are made to be broken. 
Horizon line is just about through the centre. But the should wouldn't 
work as well if it showed either more sky or more reeds.

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Adam Maas]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
> 
>> A fairly large number of commercial buildings are copyrighted in such 
>> ways. You can photograph them legally, but you can't sell the images 
>> without a property release.
> 
> IIRC, you can't sell the images for commercial use without a release 
> but you can sell them as fine art prints, ie, as pieces of art in and 
> of themselves, without a release. Just like photos of people taken 
> without a release. Interestingly, the news story was unclear on this 
> point.
> 

Yes, that's correct (and of course you can sell them for editorial use without 
a release as well).

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Re: The sincerest form of Flattery? was: [Re: oct pug gallery]

[ann sanfedele]

P. J. Alling wrote:

>Now this is interesting. While looking for inspiration, or maybe 
>anti-inspiration I discovered the "Pentax Challenge" at DP review, sort 
>of an Ad Hoc PUG for non PDML members. Guess what the theme for October is?
>
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=25031906
>

Actually it is our theme for November, and the contest has a deadline of 
Oct31st   a few days after our
deadline of Nov PUG

Looks like someone there is watching us, though

ann

>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>>Is the Oct gallery up yet and is it still linked at Mark Roberts web page 
>>?..Thanks Joe
>>
>>  
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PESO - Napa Quilt

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I showed this photo last year. Most liked it.  Some liked it better in B&W. 
Taken in Napa on a sans Shel trip.

I  started playing with it a few days after showing it. For some reason it 
made me  think of a quilt. I came back to it today and finished it up. Not 
quite, quite  what I want but getting there.

Warning, this is not a pure photograph.  Something  different...

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/quilt.htm

I'd  appreciate knowing if it does anything for you. I may play with it even 
more in  the future. 

Won't be one bit surprised if no one likes it but  me.

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Re: PESO: "Translucent" Vulture

[Jack Davis]

"Nice shot" is all I care about. It, also, has my permission to remain
a Turkey Vulture.

Thanks,

Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's a nice shot. But it's still a turkey vulture.
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > This is just another shot of a California "Turkey" Vulture with the
> sun
> > lighting up its feathers.
> > I only slightly lightened the shadows and kind of prefer this
> version
> > for a couple reasons. Pretty heavily cropped. Same equipment.
> > This shot isn't one for which I have glorious plans..just is of
> current
> > mild interest.
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=241
> >
> > As always, all comments welcome
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
>

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:

>A fairly large number of commercial buildings are copyrighted in such 
>ways. You can photograph them legally, but you can't sell the images 
>without a property release.

IIRC, you can't sell the images for commercial use without a release 
but you can sell them as fine art prints, ie, as pieces of art in and 
of themselves, without a release. Just like photos of people taken 
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re: Probably just a typo.....

[Roman Melihhov]

K1, well rumors are... Based on which I went for K100D Super in 
anticipation of whatever would be K1...

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Adam Maas]

A fairly large number of commercial buildings are copyrighted in such ways. You 
can photograph them legally, but you can't sell the images without a property 
release. That may well be the case here, but it sounds like the Plaintiffs did 
not have their copyright actually filed.

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
> I believe you're wrong on that. You might be able to trademark the image 
> of something. Which will limit the use of images of it in some ways,In 
> fact the Colt Firearms Co. has trademarked the Blue Dome of their former 
> building, and no one else is allowed to use it in connection with gun 
> manufacture or gun sales, but that's really a very limited control of 
> the image. You can't copyright a work of nature, and the copyright on 
> any the buildings on the Plantation if it ever existed at all has fallen 
> into the public domain. His crime is trespass plain and simple, if he 
> had permission to be there, and had a camera with him, then that 
> permission had to be revoked, (or given with stipulations to begin 
> with), for even that to be the case.
> 
> graywolf wrote:
>> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
>> someone 
>> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does have 
>> the 
>> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
>> selling 
>> the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the 
>> income 
>> from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to 
>> send 
>> me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .
>>
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>   
>>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
>>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
>>> being held up to the world to see.
>>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
>>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
>>> public property position.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?

 http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Jack Davis]

In some (or maybe many) cases the scenes are copyright protected
company logos and I suppose that could be at play.(?)
I've understood for some time that "The Lone Cypress", on the Monterey
peninsula's "17 Mile Drive", is one such site.
Sometime in the late 90's I shot the scene, but it's not on my site.
(don't even know where the image is at this point)

Jack
--- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yeah, that's what I thought - they could get him for trespassing, but
> I don't think he was doing anything illegal by taking a photograph.
> What I don't understand is how you can place a legally binding
> contract forbidding photographs of your land to be sold...do you have
> to put up signs or something?  what nonsense.
> 
> rg2
> 
> On 10/6/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
> >
> > Jack
> > --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go
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> > > Jack Davis wrote:
> > > > Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property
> rights
> > > should
> > > > always be respected especially when privacy is to be
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> > > > being held up to the world to see.
> > > > "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> > > > That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
> > > from
> > > > taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
> from
> > > a
> > > > public property position.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > > --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > >> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: PESO:Juice Jugs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 6, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

>> Have you ever seen the original 'The Italian Job'? Right now I've got
>> this vision of you in my head and it's the character played by Benny
>> Hill called Professor Peach.
>
> No, and I am afraid to search it out to look after your  
> comments:-)

Wonderful film, far far better than the recent remake. Worth hunting  
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

As presented, it does little for me.
However, a rather severe crop starts to bring it alive ... It would  
be a candidate to go back and shoot again.

I'll send you an idea of what I see...

Godfrey

On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> No, certainly not too much feedback. I'm only slightly lukewarm about
> this one myself.
> I do, however, like the contrast afforded by the shading. My only
> negative is the fact that the stump is not a natural fall, but shows
> the obvious use of a chain saw. Also, the oat shafts only hint at the
> symmetry and sweep I'd like to have seen.
>
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Jack Davis]

Copyright protected (against commercial image use) sights have been in
existence for quite awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Ham pays,
especially due to the trespass issue.
Without taking it any further, if it is the sight I am guessing it is,
it is one which is much used for commercial purposed.

Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, but they're suing him for copyright infringement. That's the 
> problem they're idiots, and if they can manage to get a court ot go 
> along with them in the interests of justice then it hurts us all. The
> 
> case as it stands should be thrown out and the proper legal action 
> taken. That is unless he had permission to be there then they have no
> 
> standing.
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> Jack Davis wrote:
> > In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
> >
> > Jack
> > --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after
> >> him 
> >> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
> >>
> >> Jack Davis wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights
> >>>   
> >> should
> >> 
> >>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised
> by
> >>> being held up to the world to see.
> >>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> >>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
> >>>   
> >> from
> >> 
> >>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but
> from
> >>>   
> >> a
> >> 
> >>> public property position.
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
> 
>  http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
> 
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

I believe you're wrong on that. You might be able to trademark the image 
of something. Which will limit the use of images of it in some ways,In 
fact the Colt Firearms Co. has trademarked the Blue Dome of their former 
building, and no one else is allowed to use it in connection with gun 
manufacture or gun sales, but that's really a very limited control of 
the image. You can't copyright a work of nature, and the copyright on 
any the buildings on the Plantation if it ever existed at all has fallen 
into the public domain. His crime is trespass plain and simple, if he 
had permission to be there, and had a camera with him, then that 
permission had to be revoked, (or given with stipulations to begin 
with), for even that to be the case.

graywolf wrote:
> Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of 
> someone 
> else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does have 
> the 
> right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is 
> selling 
> the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the 
> income 
> from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to 
> send 
> me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .
>
>
> Jack Davis wrote:
>   
>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
>> being held up to the world to see.
>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
>> public property position.
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>>
>>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
>>>
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Re: Probably just a typo.....

[P. J. Alling]

The MZ-D aka KR-52 has for marketing reasons been renamed the K1D, at 
least as far as I can tell. I don't think Pentax would let Google know 
the specifications of a new camera ahead of time and keep that same 
information from Adobe. (The odds are that a RAW file from a MZ-D will 
never be seen by any one of these applications).

You can see some pictures here. 
http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/photo/photo-thread-77223.html

It seems to be an original MZ-S re-badged, not a Photoshop job, there 
seem to be some subtle differences between the this and the MZ-D on 
Boz's page.. But some people are really good with Photoshop.

Anthony Farr wrote:
> As I was poking through the darker recesses of my computer, I found
> this intriguing tidbit tucked away inside Picasa:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI/photo#5118286083288949490
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2hcluf
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> Look about a third the way down the list.  But perhaps it signifies nothing.
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Re: PESO: "Translucent" Vulture

[P. J. Alling]

It's a nice shot. But it's still a turkey vulture.

Jack Davis wrote:
> This is just another shot of a California "Turkey" Vulture with the sun
> lighting up its feathers.
> I only slightly lightened the shadows and kind of prefer this version
> for a couple reasons. Pretty heavily cropped. Same equipment.
> This shot isn't one for which I have glorious plans..just is of current
> mild interest.
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=241
>
> As always, all comments welcome
>
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

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Well, as to the legality, one does not have the right to sell images of someone 
else's clearly identifiable property without their permission. One does have 
the 
right to take the photos, without violating any laws of trespass, it is selling 
the images that is questionable. One would assume that the right to the income 
from ones own property is clear, otherwise I want every one on the list to send 
me rent. regardless of who owns the property they live on .


Jack Davis wrote:
> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
> being held up to the world to see.
> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
> public property position.
> 
> Jack
> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>
>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
>>
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

Yes, but they're suing him for copyright infringement. That's the 
problem they're idiots, and if they can manage to get a court ot go 
along with them in the interests of justice then it hurts us all. The 
case as it stands should be thrown out and the proper legal action 
taken. That is unless he had permission to be there then they have no 
standing.

Jack Davis wrote:
> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after
>> him 
>> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights
>>>   
>> should
>> 
>>> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
>>> being held up to the world to see.
>>> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
>>> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
>>>   
>> from
>> 
>>> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from
>>>   
>> a
>> 
>>> public property position.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?

 http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Rebekah]

yeah, that's what I thought - they could get him for trespassing, but
I don't think he was doing anything illegal by taking a photograph.
What I don't understand is how you can place a legally binding
contract forbidding photographs of your land to be sold...do you have
to put up signs or something?  what nonsense.

rg2

On 10/6/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?
>
> Jack
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after
> > him
> > for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
> >
> > Jack Davis wrote:
> > > Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights
> > should
> > > always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
> > > being held up to the world to see.
> > > "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> > > That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
> > from
> > > taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from
> > a
> > > public property position.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > > --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
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Probably just a typo.....

[Anthony Farr]

As I was poking through the darker recesses of my computer, I found
this intriguing tidbit tucked away inside Picasa:

http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/FYI/photo#5118286083288949490

or

http://tinyurl.com/2hcluf

Look about a third the way down the list.  But perhaps it signifies nothing.

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Jack Davis]

In this case, the "trespass" is the problem..what else?

Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after
> him 
> for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights
> should
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> > "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> > That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted
> from
> > taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from
> a
> > public property position.
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> > Jack
> > --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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PESO: "Translucent" Vulture

[Jack Davis]

This is just another shot of a California "Turkey" Vulture with the sun
lighting up its feathers.
I only slightly lightened the shadows and kind of prefer this version
for a couple reasons. Pretty heavily cropped. Same equipment.
This shot isn't one for which I have glorious plans..just is of current
mild interest.

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=241

As always, all comments welcome

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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

Sorry Jack you can't copyright a work of nature. They can go after him 
for trespass. Don't help the idiots any more than is necessary.

Jack Davis wrote:
> Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
> always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
> being held up to the world to see.
> "Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
> That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
> taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
> public property position.
>
> Jack
> --- Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>
>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[Jack Davis]

Mr Ham had no right to do what he did. "Private" property rights should
always be respected especially when privacy is to be compromised by
being held up to the world to see.
"Privacy" and "security" are too closely related these days.
That being said, I'm somewhat ambivalent about being restricted from
taking pictures of something which is on private property, but from a
public property position.

Jack
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> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
> 
> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

I actually found the image in question.  If the judge even lets this go 
one day in court, he should be impeached, he doesn't deserve to be on 
the bench deciding copyright cases.

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I don't think the plantation or it's parent organization has a leg to 
> stand on, if they allow photography at all. They are however likely to 
> have deeper pockets than the photographer, which is probably the whole 
> point to the exercise.
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>> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
>>
>> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think the plantation or it's parent organization has a leg to 
stand on, if they allow photography at all. They are however likely to 
have deeper pockets than the photographer, which is probably the whole 
point to the exercise.

Rebekah wrote:
> Just found this interesting, what do you guys think?
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> http://www.thestate.com/local/story/190126.html
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> rg2
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