RE: New on Boz's site!
Nah, this is. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/08121603pentaxk2000white.asp Bob Is that the Michael Jackson commemorative edition? jm - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: New on Boz's site! How the hell did I miss this? http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/K/Km_swarovski.jpg -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I'm back :)
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: 2009/7/22 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Nut I'll be posting occasional PESO's Gimme the URL and I'll be pecan. You'd better not let me cashew at it. All these puns. It's chestnut possible to keep up. Walnut if you take that attitude it isn't. Almonday I was able to resist this pun thread, but come Tuesday I cracked. Good to see you come out of your shell. Yeah, I thought he was going to crack He could still be pistachio. I would be too if I got a Brazilian what else would he be pining for? The Scottish version - the Mac-a-damie 'un. I'm giving up on this thread because I've had my fill, Burt. No need to get a Cob on. Maybe he plans to grow Wings? He could make them from old betel nuts. I should coco. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul, I recognize that a keeper ratio in real world conditions is by no means a valid or scientific test of a camera's performance. Scientific no but I'd wager that it's pretty important. If the camera helps you take better pictures (whether through technical or ergonomic features) then it's a better camera. imho :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: None of the differences above are technical - I mean differences that can change the outcome of an image after manipulation. Are there any technical differences between Photoshop and GIMP? I'm sure there are many. I'm not as familiar with GIMP as I once was so I'm not qualified to speak. Another package you might want to look at is Artweaver which is supposedly more of a Photoshop-lookalike than GIMP. But if you're used to Photoshop, Artweaver will drive you insane with the small differences in its interface... I use Artweaver at work as my job doesn't justify paying for Photoshop but sometimes I need something more capable than Irfanview :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FML...
The auction I was watching for the 67II kit ended this afternoon. I was going to take a look with 10 or 15 minutes to spare and if it hadn't gone past my budget I was going to put in a bid. Well I got caught up in a last-minute job at work and opened my laptop... precisely 1 minute too late. A 67II with AE prism finder, wooden grip and 135mm macro lens went for NZ$800 which I guess was the reserve as there was only one bidder. I expected it to go for a lot more than that but to be honest I am a little out-of-touch with the secondhand market right now. Not that 67IIs come up for sale every other day in these parts. I expected it to sell for much more than that. I've wanted a 67II for years and my old 6x7 is in need of repair. I'm consoling myself with the possibility that I'd have probably lost a bidding war anyway. Just annoyed that someone else was the sole bidder instead of me. I guess I'll just buy that new washing machine instead. And go out and take some pictures with my old 6x7. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FML...
Dave, That was a good price. Best I've seen recently is US$900+ for a 67II body only. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:40 AM, David Manndm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: The auction I was watching for the 67II kit ended this afternoon. I was going to take a look with 10 or 15 minutes to spare and if it hadn't gone past my budget I was going to put in a bid. Well I got caught up in a last-minute job at work and opened my laptop... precisely 1 minute too late. A 67II with AE prism finder, wooden grip and 135mm macro lens went for NZ$800 which I guess was the reserve as there was only one bidder. I expected it to go for a lot more than that but to be honest I am a little out-of-touch with the secondhand market right now. Not that 67IIs come up for sale every other day in these parts. I expected it to sell for much more than that. I've wanted a 67II for years and my old 6x7 is in need of repair. I'm consoling myself with the possibility that I'd have probably lost a bidding war anyway. Just annoyed that someone else was the sole bidder instead of me. I guess I'll just buy that new washing machine instead. And go out and take some pictures with my old 6x7. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
It's sometimes a matter of what you've become accustomed to. I find PhotoShop and the ACR interface much more user friendly than Lightroom. I also need some PhotoShop tools on a regular basis. I do quite a bit of cloning and compositing with for some clients, and I'd rather not have to switch from one tool to another. Finally, I really like Bridge, the PhotoShop adjunct, as an organizational tool. It conforms to my system, rather than me having to work within its limits. Paul On Jul 23, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I bought LightRoom when it came out. I never looked back on any photo editing software ever since. I do have GIMP on my computer (in portable form from www.portableapps.com) but I don't use it. No need, really. I do use GIMP only if I want to download a picture from a photo forum, edit it some and post it back to let the author know how I would have done it. For that GIMP is (almost) sufficient. Most recently I learned that whatever function in GIMP does rotation is very weak in keeping picture sharpness (unlike LightRoom). The GIMP that I have says that it is color managed. Well, whatever I saved from it, indeed looks just like I want it to look, no color management problems. In a nutshell - I do recommend LightRoom (or any other complete photographic workflow system) as it works good, does what I want and unlike PhotoShop is streamlined and clear in function and interface. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baetanmsba...@gmail.com wrote: None of the differences above are technical - I mean differences that can change the outcome of an image after manipulation. Are there any technical differences between Photoshop and GIMP? -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
I want to get in contact with an ex(?) member who was on and off the list back in 2005. He is a swede, a doctor, and if my memory does not play me trikcs his name is Paulus Eriksson or something very simliar. Anyone one remembering him who can help me find this guy? Maybe you are still lurking out there Paulus? If you are, please contact me off list. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
Indeed, sir Paul ;-), very much so, as usage of one's tools depends on one's preferences. I for one want to learn to shoot giving post-processing secondary importance. But that's my own decision and I am well aware of its limitations. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It's sometimes a matter of what you've become accustomed to. I find PhotoShop and the ACR interface much more user friendly than Lightroom. I also need some PhotoShop tools on a regular basis. I do quite a bit of cloning and compositing with for some clients, and I'd rather not have to switch from one tool to another. Finally, I really like Bridge, the PhotoShop adjunct, as an organizational tool. It conforms to my system, rather than me having to work within its limits. Paul -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: I want to get in contact with an ex(?) member who was on and off the list back in 2005. He is a swede, a doctor, and if my memory does not play me trikcs his name is Paulus Eriksson or something very simliar. Anyone one remembering him who can help me find this guy? Maybe you are still lurking out there Paulus? If you are, please contact me off list. You're late: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2006-May/001475.html mailto:paulus.eriks...@telia.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
Just remembered that I think I bought an LX finder from him. If the email does not work I _may_ have an address for him at home. Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: I want to get in contact with an ex(?) member who was on and off the list back in 2005. He is a swede, a doctor, and if my memory does not play me trikcs his name is Paulus Eriksson or something very simliar. Anyone one remembering him who can help me find this guy? Maybe you are still lurking out there Paulus? If you are, please contact me off list. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
Noh. That's three years ago. That's not late :-) I think I did mail him BTW, but we both got distracted. The mail still haven't bounced, so I think the adress still is active. I bought a FA*24/2 and a FA50/1,4 from him. We had some problems with transport. Don't ask me what, that's a way to complicated story for the list. Anyway. Now I hope we will be able to sort it out :-) Tim 2009/7/23 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: I want to get in contact with an ex(?) member who was on and off the list back in 2005. He is a swede, a doctor, and if my memory does not play me trikcs his name is Paulus Eriksson or something very simliar. Anyone one remembering him who can help me find this guy? Maybe you are still lurking out there Paulus? If you are, please contact me off list. You're late: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2006-May/001475.html mailto:paulus.eriks...@telia.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
From: paul stenquist What Peter said. PhotoShop Essentials is by far the best low-cost alternative to PhotoShop. Adobe's Lightroom is also very good and falls somewhere in between Essentials and Photoshop in both price and capability. Do y'all mean Photoshop ELEMENTS? Photoshop Essentials is a how-to book. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
Yeah, that's it:-) On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist What Peter said. PhotoShop Essentials is by far the best low-cost alternative to PhotoShop. Adobe's Lightroom is also very good and falls somewhere in between Essentials and Photoshop in both price and capability. Do y'all mean Photoshop ELEMENTS? Photoshop Essentials is a how-to book. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Geso Photos from this years plowing and thrashing demonstrations.
Hi gang. Wednesday was the annual demo at the Lewis farm near the Markham fair grounds. Good turn out as usual, about 150-200 people. Weather was good, a bit O/C, but that's good for photography, and a bit cool, around +20 C. I took about 330-350 photos, and these are the ones i like the best from the bunch. I'm sure i could have added 20-30 more, but these will do for now. I'll do some individual postings once i get the 3-4 really good ones picked and converted. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-thrashing/album/index.html Some potential fair entries also in the bunch. D200 and D2H, 18-70 and VR 70-200 f2.8, (all shot as Raw files)The 80 pictures were exported to email and jalbum made, so no post processing on them yet, so they may look a tad flat colour wise. Enjoy and comments welcome. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New blog for Ted Beilby
Scott's sitting all by his self. Nice blog and some really nice shots there. I like your flat iron building and the apples, just to name a few. Dave On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Just posted my first blog site today. http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/ suggestions or comments are welcome Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New blog for Ted Beilby
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:58 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: Scott's sitting all by his self. That was a joke BTW.:-0 Dave Nice blog and some really nice shots there. I like your flat iron building and the apples, just to name a few. Dave On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Just posted my first blog site today. http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/ suggestions or comments are welcome Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT 3D camera by Fujifilm
I suspect many have seen this news already, but just in case: Fujifilm announced a 3D camera (actually a kit: 3D camera, 3D viewer and 3D photo-printer). You can see them on the company's website (each product on a separate page), or all together, e.g. here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09072206fujifilmw1.asp Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New on Boz's site!
It just needs the spangles to match his glove. jm - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:21 AM Subject: RE: New on Boz's site! Nah, this is. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/08121603pentaxk2000white.asp Bob Is that the Michael Jackson commemorative edition? jm - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: New on Boz's site! How the hell did I miss this? http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/K/Km_swarovski.jpg -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
And what is price for Photoshop Elements? Most of my computers are Linux based, and thats why i'm using GIMP for many years. My photo editing skills are not good enough... So GIMP is OK for me. And GIMP is free :) Gasha paul stenquist wrote: Yeah, that's it:-) On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist What Peter said. PhotoShop Essentials is by far the best low-cost alternative to PhotoShop. Adobe's Lightroom is also very good and falls somewhere in between Essentials and Photoshop in both price and capability. Do y'all mean Photoshop ELEMENTS? Photoshop Essentials is a how-to book. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
How could /any/ story be to complicated for /this/ list? Tim Øsleby wrote: Noh. That's three years ago. That's not late :-) I think I did mail him BTW, but we both got distracted. The mail still haven't bounced, so I think the adress still is active. I bought a FA*24/2 and a FA50/1,4 from him. We had some problems with transport. Don't ask me what, that's a way to complicated story for the list. Anyway. Now I hope we will be able to sort it out :-) Tim 2009/7/23 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: I want to get in contact with an ex(?) member who was on and off the list back in 2005. He is a swede, a doctor, and if my memory does not play me trikcs his name is Paulus Eriksson or something very simliar. Anyone one remembering him who can help me find this guy? Maybe you are still lurking out there Paulus? If you are, please contact me off list. You're late: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2006-May/001475.html mailto:paulus.eriks...@telia.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
Essentials Elements what's a few consonants between friends... John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist What Peter said. PhotoShop Essentials is by far the best low-cost alternative to PhotoShop. Adobe's Lightroom is also very good and falls somewhere in between Essentials and Photoshop in both price and capability. Do y'all mean Photoshop ELEMENTS? Photoshop Essentials is a how-to book. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
For Windows users the latest Photoshop Elements runs about $100, about $150 when bundled with Premier Elements for video production. I do not know about Mac version pricing. You can also find a 1 or 2 generation old version bundled with a Wacom Bamboo table for $100 which is an excellent buy in my opinion. These are retail store prices and can probably be beat with diligent internet searches. jm - Original Message - From: Gasha cir...@konts.lv To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP And what is price for Photoshop Elements? Most of my computers are Linux based, and thats why i'm using GIMP for many years. My photo editing skills are not good enough... So GIMP is OK for me. And GIMP is free :) Gasha paul stenquist wrote: Yeah, that's it:-) On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist What Peter said. PhotoShop Essentials is by far the best low-cost alternative to PhotoShop. Adobe's Lightroom is also very good and falls somewhere in between Essentials and Photoshop in both price and capability. Do y'all mean Photoshop ELEMENTS? Photoshop Essentials is a how-to book. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
I remember him posting that. I hadn't realized he was overdue. Does anyone have phone contact with him? Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New on Boz's site!
Hey a free flash game... http://www.extremesafarigame.com/ John Mullan wrote: It just needs the spangles to match his glove. jm - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:21 AM Subject: RE: New on Boz's site! Nah, this is. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/08121603pentaxk2000white.asp Bob Is that the Michael Jackson commemorative edition? jm - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: New on Boz's site! How the hell did I miss this? http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/K/Km_swarovski.jpg -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Scott has been posting on Facebook regularly. Paul On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I remember him posting that. I hadn't realized he was overdue. Does anyone have phone contact with him? Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: New on Boz's site!
I LIKE IT. You need to find enough money to buy a K7 to take a picture. Now that's reality programming. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New on Boz's site! Hey a free flash game... http://www.extremesafarigame.com/ John Mullan wrote: It just needs the spangles to match his glove. jm - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:21 AM Subject: RE: New on Boz's site! Nah, this is. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/08121603pentaxk2000white.asp Bob Is that the Michael Jackson commemorative edition? jm - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: New on Boz's site! How the hell did I miss this? http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/K/Km_swarovski.jpg -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
How to lose a sale
I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop assistant. Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder? It's a rangefinder Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out of the camera. What do you mean? In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work? It's digital Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)? A what? A Rioch No, it's a Leica Man! That looks so old! I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
peso wandering sax player
My friend Jack played with Suska down at JJ's again last night. I was not at all happy about how the K20 was doing with the available light so I used my flash with a big lumiquest diffuser. It was my first time using the 540 in wireless pttl mode. I guess that it's a small stage, or maybe the sax player just likes to wander around. I missed some great shots of his interacting with some of the people in the bar, but I did get one shot that I like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3748198353/in/set-72157621788958518/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
I think I would have explained him *very coldly* what is a Leica M8, to make him understand how misplaced were his words. Then just leave (without buying anything of course) Nice story to read btw... Xavier. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
As you relate the incident, it would have elicited a grin from me and maybe even a sale. Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: How to lose a sale To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:29 AM I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop assistant. Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder? It's a rangefinder Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out of the camera. What do you mean? In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work? It's digital Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)? A what? A Rioch No, it's a Leica Man! That looks so old! I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
That's my poor writing, then. He wasn't expressing an interest in the camera, he was making fun of it. Not that I give a damn what anyone thinks about the camera, but it's not the way for a salesperson to approach a customer. People quite often ask about it. Just a couple of weeks ago a doorman in a bookshop asked about it, and we had quite a long and pleasant conversation. It's one thing to express a genuine interest, quite another what this guy today was doing. Bob As you relate the incident, it would have elicited a grin from me and maybe even a sale. Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: How to lose a sale To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:29 AM I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop assistant. Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder? It's a rangefinder Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out of the camera. What do you mean? In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work? It's digital Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)? A what? A Rioch No, it's a Leica Man! That looks so old! I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Try as you may, you cannot hide from the PDML. -bmw Paul Stenquist wrote: Scott has been posting on Facebook regularly. Paul On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I remember him posting that. I hadn't realized he was overdue. Does anyone have phone contact with him? Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. He's on a quest. Dave Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. He has been keeping us entertained on face book almost daily. Dave, again Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is Paulus Eriksson still around?
E. It's not just about the list. It's about my english to. Some stories needs better skills than mine. Those subtile nuances you know. -- MaritimTim 2009/7/23 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: How could /any/ story be to complicated for /this/ list? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FML...
Some guy had a 67II on eBay recently, body and AE prism only that went for $1200. He had the camera hot rodded at Pentax to select half stops. http://tinyurl.com/m58axo - Original Message From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:49:57 AM Subject: Re: FML... Dave, That was a good price. Best I've seen recently is US$900+ for a 67II body only. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:40 AM, David Mann wrote: The auction I was watching for the 67II kit ended this afternoon. I was going to take a look with 10 or 15 minutes to spare and if it hadn't gone past my budget I was going to put in a bid. Well I got caught up in a last-minute job at work and opened my laptop... precisely 1 minute too late. A 67II with AE prism finder, wooden grip and 135mm macro lens went for NZ$800 which I guess was the reserve as there was only one bidder. I expected it to go for a lot more than that but to be honest I am a little out-of-touch with the secondhand market right now. Not that 67IIs come up for sale every other day in these parts. I expected it to sell for much more than that. I've wanted a 67II for years and my old 6x7 is in need of repair. I'm consoling myself with the possibility that I'd have probably lost a bidding war anyway. Just annoyed that someone else was the sole bidder instead of me. I guess I'll just buy that new washing machine instead. And go out and take some pictures with my old 6x7. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
Unbelieveable. What does it matter what a camera looks like? I like the manual film quote...It's not too often you hear stories of people talking down Leicas. What a maroon. It's funny, but I get the same looks and type of questions about the 67 every once in a while. It's interesting how incredulous some are that people still shoot film. -Brendan - Original Message From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:29:25 AM Subject: How to lose a sale I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop assistant. Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder? It's a rangefinder Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out of the camera. What do you mean? In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work? It's digital Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)? A what? A Rioch No, it's a Leica Man! That looks so old! I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page
I mean, it IS photography , and there are a ton of photos taken with a Pentax LX or KX . I did a new banner (newnew, as I slightly changed the one from a day or two ago ) and simplified the front page... reorganized a lot... more to do, but except for possibly puting a link on the index page to my cafepress store directly in the footer and using html to name names of other sites instead of the http:// blah blah stuff (I do know HOW to do this - but have other things more pressing at the moment ) Got inspired by both Doug and Christine to finally get this done - and the fact that I'm getting a bit of help with rent now so I'm not so crazed listing things on eekbay has helped. sooo have a look-see , gang, on my monitor with my settings in Firefox, explorer and even old Netscape it looks right to me. I should look at it on other machines . Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo let me know -- but only if you happen on it or have no life and look at everything :-) I would like it if the page stretched -- but unless I got heavily into css that isn't going to happen because of the preferred theme I'm using on the site...or the smugmug techies get around to a stretchy black background style. so here you are! ann sanfedele photography at: http://annsan.smugmug.com ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Yes. He says he's fine, but very busy, and will have the PUG up a few days ago ;-). Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
Brendan MacRae wrote: Unbelieveable. What does it matter what a camera looks like? I like the manual film quote...It's not too often you hear stories of people talking down Leicas. What a maroon. It's funny, but I get the same looks and type of questions about the 67 every once in a while. It's interesting how incredulous some are that people still shoot film. It is. I gave up trying to explain why I was using an LX and normally say I can't afford digital; it saves a lot of hassle explaining. I'm most surprised the shop assistant didn't note Bob's camera and guide him towards more expensive footwear! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
The PUG will be up shortly. Like, this afternoon. Sorry for the delay. As for Facebook, that crap only takes a second or two here and there. I am, however, severely short on submissions for August. To be exact, I have one. Count 'em. One, 1, uno. If the form is there you can submit a photo, regardless of what the accompanying text says. I'll leave it up for a couple days. I see now that there is a pun thread all about my tardiness. Made my day. On 7/23/09, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. He says he's fine, but very busy, and will have the PUG up a few days ago ;-). Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Scott Loveless wrote: The PUG will be up shortly. Like, this afternoon. Sorry for the delay. As for Facebook, that crap only takes a second or two here and there. I am, however, severely short on submissions for August. To be exact, I have one. Count 'em. One, 1, uno. If the form is there you can submit a photo, regardless of what the accompanying text says. I'll leave it up for a couple days. hehe I just looked at the theme again NIght and Astro??? and in the middle of the summer, too... and you are wondering why you only have one submission? :-) I'm guessing that one is another stunning shot from Ralf... But I do have one or two that fit the bill -- I'll try to get you one soon... ah but since Astro is there - perhaps you'll get a couple from guys who saw the eclipse -- Bong??? ann I see now that there is a pun thread all about my tardiness. Made my day. On 7/23/09, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. He says he's fine, but very busy, and will have the PUG up a few days ago ;-). Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
On 7/23/09, Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com wrote: It is. I gave up trying to explain why I was using an LX and normally say I can't afford digital; it saves a lot of hassle explaining. I'm most surprised the shop assistant didn't note Bob's camera and guide him towards more expensive footwear! I had some soccer mom tell me the other day that I should ditch all my film gear and get a digital, all the while waving her little Kodak in my face or holding it at arm's length for shaky snapshots of her ugly kids standing in front of something passably touristy. Unfortunately, this not an uncommon occurrence. I briefly considered the camera as weapon approach, but then told her in words loud enough for her brats to hear that no one interested in actually looking at the photos later on would be caught dead with that piece of shit. I've been cranky lately. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 01:17:29PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: I've been cranky lately. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Whats a DS worth these days?
The title says it. My stepsons ex girlfriend has had my trusty ol DS on loan. After becoming an ex she has asked to buy it. Whats a fair price of the body plus kit lens? Don't want to overcharge her, but I'm not giving it away either. I have consulted the going prices at eBay, but that didn't make me any wiser. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
The someone with a facebook account should guilt him about how worried we were. (He never calls, he never writes...) Bruce Walker wrote: Try as you may, you cannot hide from the PDML. -bmw Paul Stenquist wrote: Scott has been posting on Facebook regularly. Paul On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I remember him posting that. I hadn't realized he was overdue. Does anyone have phone contact with him? Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
And what is price for Photoshop Elements? For Windows users the latest Photoshop Elements runs about $100, about $150 when bundled with Premier Elements for video production. I do not know about Mac version pricing. You can also find a 1 or 2 generation old version bundled with a Wacom Bamboo table for $100 which is an excellent buy in my opinion. These are retail store prices and can probably be beat with diligent internet searches. PSE for Mac OS X is around $90 depending upon where you buy it. I would NOT buy an outdated version ... it limits which version of Camera Raw you can use with it, which limits RAW conversion capabilities ... depending upon what camera you are using, you might not need the latest Camera Raw, of course, but the other thing is that in PSE you only have the 'basic' mode Camera Raw operation without all the more sophisticated capabilities. Enough for a lot of work but less convenient. The Mac OS X version of PSE does not include the 'album' image management components that the Windows version does, IIRC. This, to me, is a major lack ... no different from PS CSx, but one of the reasons I am so big on Lightroom. To me, the major editing deficiencies in PSE itself are a lack of color management options (not important for many, I'm sure) and the lack of the Curves tool palette (essential to my PS editing methodology). I'm not sure whether the latest version has Curves tools. I also don't know how sophisticated the current version is regards layers and 16bit editing capabilities. Layers in particular (one of the primary ways of implementing any and all forms of compositing including HDR, creative localized sharpening, etc) is one of the major reasons why I go to Photoshop nowadays since everything else is handled so well by Lightroom for my kind of photographic editing. -- Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto www.twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page
Looks good Ann. ann sanfedele wrote: I mean, it IS photography , and there are a ton of photos taken with a Pentax LX or KX . I did a new banner (newnew, as I slightly changed the one from a day or two ago ) and simplified the front page... reorganized a lot... more to do, but except for possibly puting a link on the index page to my cafepress store directly in the footer and using html to name names of other sites instead of the http:// blah blah stuff (I do know HOW to do this - but have other things more pressing at the moment ) Got inspired by both Doug and Christine to finally get this done - and the fact that I'm getting a bit of help with rent now so I'm not so crazed listing things on eekbay has helped. sooo have a look-see , gang, on my monitor with my settings in Firefox, explorer and even old Netscape it looks right to me. I should look at it on other machines . Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo let me know -- but only if you happen on it or have no life and look at everything :-) I would like it if the page stretched -- but unless I got heavily into css that isn't going to happen because of the preferred theme I'm using on the site...or the smugmug techies get around to a stretchy black background style. so here you are! ann sanfedele photography at: http://annsan.smugmug.com ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Whats a DS worth these days?
KEH.com was selling the DS body for between $225US and $270US and the Lens for between $85US and $125US depending on condition. They don't have a DS in stock just now, but that's where I looked to get an idea of what my DS was worth. Tim Øsleby wrote: The title says it. My stepsons ex girlfriend has had my trusty ol DS on loan. After becoming an ex she has asked to buy it. Whats a fair price of the body plus kit lens? Don't want to overcharge her, but I'm not giving it away either. I have consulted the going prices at eBay, but that didn't make me any wiser. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Whats a DS worth these days?
Recent completed listings on Ebay for the DS body-only show auctions completed successfully in and around the $205-220 range. The 18-55 kit lens sells new, by itself, for $175 or so. With a body, new, it adds $100 to the cost of the body only package. Completed auctions on the K2000 + kit lens are around $300 or so. I'd estimate from that a fair price for the *ist DS plus kit lens to be in the neighborhood of $250. -- Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto www.twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Whats a DS worth these days?
Thanks Peter and Godfrey. I think I'll say 175. The sad thing is that I hate to let it go. It was my first real digital. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
I have a youngish friend, very into the creative end of photography, (in camera creativity), who shoots bw film. He doesn't even know the difference between TXP and BW400, but then he has his film processed by third parties. I don't think he's interested in shooting digital. Malcolm Smith wrote: Brendan MacRae wrote: Unbelieveable. What does it matter what a camera looks like? I like the manual film quote...It's not too often you hear stories of people talking down Leicas. What a maroon. It's funny, but I get the same looks and type of questions about the 67 every once in a while. It's interesting how incredulous some are that people still shoot film. It is. I gave up trying to explain why I was using an LX and normally say I can't afford digital; it saves a lot of hassle explaining. I'm most surprised the shop assistant didn't note Bob's camera and guide him towards more expensive footwear! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
We're just glad you're OK and still an integral part of this little group. Dan On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: The PUG will be up shortly. Like, this afternoon. Sorry for the delay. As for Facebook, that crap only takes a second or two here and there. I am, however, severely short on submissions for August. To be exact, I have one. Count 'em. One, 1, uno. If the form is there you can submit a photo, regardless of what the accompanying text says. I'll leave it up for a couple days. I see now that there is a pun thread all about my tardiness. Made my day. On 7/23/09, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. He says he's fine, but very busy, and will have the PUG up a few days ago ;-). Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List p...@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 06:02:12PM +0100, Malcolm Smith wrote: Brendan MacRae wrote: Unbelieveable. What does it matter what a camera looks like? I like the manual film quote...It's not too often you hear stories of people?talking down?Leicas. What a maroon. It's funny, but I get the same looks and type of questions about the 67 every once in a while. It's interesting how incredulous some are that people still shoot film. It is. I gave up trying to explain why I was using an LX and normally say I can't afford digital; it saves a lot of hassle explaining. I guess it depends where you are. A week or so back I spent half of the day (my wife's birthday, no less!) at an R/C model aircraft meet. There weren't a whole lot of cameras around; apart from one guy with a Canon+400/2.8 on a Wimberley rig I only saw a few other DSLRs there. I did, however, see two guys toting K1000s. I was trying (and mostly failing) to track small objects, some of which were flying at over 150mph*, with my 300+1.7x, and even then most of the time all I could see was a small object in the middle of a large expanse of sky. One of the K1000 shooters was standing fairly near me, trying to shoot the same subjects with a 135mm (some third-party brand I didn't even recognise), so I let him use my 80-200 for a couple of rolls of film. * Scale model jet aircraft, with real jet engines, burning around a gallon of kerosene in a five-minute flight. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
I'll try to get something tonight. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: July PUG? The PUG will be up shortly. Like, this afternoon. Sorry for the delay. As for Facebook, that crap only takes a second or two here and there. I am, however, severely short on submissions for August. To be exact, I have one. Count 'em. One, 1, uno. If the form is there you can submit a photo, regardless of what the accompanying text says. I'll leave it up for a couple days. I see now that there is a pun thread all about my tardiness. Made my day. On 7/23/09, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. He says he's fine, but very busy, and will have the PUG up a few days ago ;-). Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In late June, Scott Loveless wrote that he was leaving for a hiking trip in the mountains, and would have not internet access. He said that he would post the PUG the weekend after he returned, which should have been a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Dan On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What happened to the July PUG? I submitted a shot last month, first in many years, and have been checking but all I find is June. Ted The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert Maysles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page
Looks real nice, Ann! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page I mean, it IS photography , and there are a ton of photos taken with a Pentax LX or KX . I did a new banner (newnew, as I slightly changed the one from a day or two ago ) and simplified the front page... reorganized a lot... more to do, but except for possibly puting a link on the index page to my cafepress store directly in the footer and using html to name names of other sites instead of the http:// blah blah stuff (I do know HOW to do this - but have other things more pressing at the moment ) Got inspired by both Doug and Christine to finally get this done - and the fact that I'm getting a bit of help with rent now so I'm not so crazed listing things on eekbay has helped. sooo have a look-see , gang, on my monitor with my settings in Firefox, explorer and even old Netscape it looks right to me. I should look at it on other machines . Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo let me know -- but only if you happen on it or have no life and look at everything :-) I would like it if the page stretched -- but unless I got heavily into css that isn't going to happen because of the preferred theme I'm using on the site...or the smugmug techies get around to a stretchy black background style. so here you are! ann sanfedele photography at: http://annsan.smugmug.com ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
On 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: We're just glad you're OK and still an integral part of this little group. Well, I didn't mean to worry anyone. This summer has simply been a royal pain in the ass and it seems that every time I turn around someone needs me to be somewhere I don't want to be doing something I don't want to do with someone I'd rather not see. But the house hasn't burned down and there's still food on the table, so I probably should complain too loudly. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Shouldn't. The intended word is shouldn't. On 7/23/09, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: We're just glad you're OK and still an integral part of this little group. Well, I didn't mean to worry anyone. This summer has simply been a royal pain in the ass and it seems that every time I turn around someone needs me to be somewhere I don't want to be doing something I don't want to do with someone I'd rather not see. But the house hasn't burned down and there's still food on the table, so I probably should complain too loudly. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Scott Loveless wrote: But the house hasn't burned down and there's still food on the table, so I probably should complain too loudly. Ha! *That* suggests what pic I should submit to the July PUG--I hadn't even thought of it. Thanks Scott; now you'll have two subs at least. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz Subject: Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul, I recognize that a keeper ratio in real world conditions is by no means a valid or scientific test of a camera's performance. Scientific no but I'd wager that it's pretty important. If the camera helps you take better pictures (whether through technical or ergonomic features) then it's a better camera. imho :) Any camera with an R G B histogram should make any film photographer a better photog. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: How to lose a sale That's my poor writing, then. He wasn't expressing an interest in the camera, he was making fun of it. Not that I give a damn what anyone thinks about the camera, but it's not the way for a salesperson to approach a customer. People quite often ask about it. Just a couple of weeks ago a doorman in a bookshop asked about it, and we had quite a long and pleasant conversation. It's one thing to express a genuine interest, quite another what this guy today was doing. Bob So what film do you use in it?;+) As you relate the incident, it would have elicited a grin from me and maybe even a sale. Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: How to lose a sale To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:29 AM I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop assistant. Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder? It's a rangefinder Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out of the camera. What do you mean? In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work? It's digital Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)? A what? A Rioch No, it's a Leica Man! That looks so old! I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ken Wallerkwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any camera with an R G B histogram should make any film photographer a better photog. That's one feature that while theoretically useful, I've found mostly useless in practice. http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
Unbelieveable. What does it matter what a camera looks like? I like the manual film quote...It's not too often you hear stories of people talking down Leicas. What a maroon. It's funny, but I get the same looks and type of questions about the 67 every once in a while. It's interesting how incredulous some are that people still shoot film. It is. I gave up trying to explain why I was using an LX and normally say I can't afford digital; it saves a lot of hassle explaining. I'm most surprised the shop assistant didn't note Bob's camera and guide him towards more expensive footwear! I don't think he knew what a Leica was. Anyway, whaddya mean 'more expensive footwear'? What makes you think I was looking at the cheap stuff? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
- Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: How to lose a sale That's my poor writing, then. He wasn't expressing an interest in the camera, he was making fun of it. Not that I give a damn what anyone thinks about the camera, but it's not the way for a salesperson to approach a customer. People quite often ask about it. Just a couple of weeks ago a doorman in a bookshop asked about it, and we had quite a long and pleasant conversation. It's one thing to express a genuine interest, quite another what this guy today was doing. Bob So what film do you use in it?;+) Guccichrome Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: But the house hasn't burned down and there's still food on the table, so I probably should complain too loudly. I'll be over for supper then. Dave -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso wandering sax player
Nice, well exposed and i like the band in the mirror thing happening. The red cone.. Dave On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: My friend Jack played with Suska down at JJ's again last night. I was not at all happy about how the K20 was doing with the available light so I used my flash with a big lumiquest diffuser. It was my first time using the 540 in wireless pttl mode. I guess that it's a small stage, or maybe the sax player just likes to wander around. I missed some great shots of his interacting with some of the people in the bar, but I did get one shot that I like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3748198353/in/set-72157621788958518/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Since, according to his description, Scott seems to live on the edge of events and demands, - that consitutes a _differential_ (or derivative) part of the group. (Excuse my math-oriented geekiness) Igor Thu Jul 23 13:03:31 CDT 2009 Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We're just glad you're OK and still an integral part of this little group. Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Subject: Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ken Wallerkwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any camera with an R G B histogram should make any film photographer a better photog. That's one feature that while theoretically useful, I've found mostly useless in practice. Not me. I usually use it several times in the course of a shoot to make sure I'm not blowing out highlights or loosing things in shadows. Gives me no excuse for exposure issues that I use to run into shooting slides. http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso wandering sax player
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:51:53PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: Nice, well exposed and i like the band in the mirror thing happening. The red cone.. I didn't even notice the cone until I looked at the picture. The room was pretty dark. Unfortunately you can't always rearrange the room when you're taking candids. Dave On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: My friend Jack played with Suska down at JJ's again last night. I was not at all happy about how the K20 was doing with the available light so I used my flash with a big lumiquest diffuser. It was my first time using the 540 in wireless pttl mode. I guess that it's a small stage, or maybe the sax player just likes to wander around. I missed some great shots of his interacting with some of the people in the bar, but I did get one shot that I like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3748198353/in/set-72157621788958518/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
I've been cranky lately. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ Since December 14th, 2008? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Whats a DS worth these days?
On Jul 23, 2009, at 13:00, Tim Øsleby wrote: Thanks Peter and Godfrey. I think I'll say 175. The sad thing is that I hate to let it go. It was my first real digital. If you want to keep it, you could always point the ex to EBay so she can get her own.. :-) I kinda miss my DS too - but after 3 years it started acting really flakey even after 3 trips to Pentax - so it got exchanged (!!) for a K200D under my extended warranty. FWIW I think the K200D is a much- nicer package (even if it isn't as small). -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to lose a sale
Scott Loveless wrote: I've been cranky lately. Is that worth a Mark!? ;-) -- Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto www.twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
Bob W wrote: I don't think he knew what a Leica was. Anyway, whaddya mean 'more expensive footwear'? What makes you think I was looking at the cheap stuff? Salesman thinks.he can't even afford a digital camera, I'm not going to sell expensive shoes to this guy Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
Scott Loveless wrote: I've been cranky lately. Keep up the good work! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
I don't think he knew what a Leica was. Anyway, whaddya mean 'more expensive footwear'? What makes you think I was looking at the cheap stuff? Salesman thinks.he can't even afford a digital camera, I'm not going to sell expensive shoes to this guy Shop assistant logic. Didn't matter what kind of camera I had, he wasn't going to sell me any expensive shoes. Certainly not when I was only looking at the cheap stuff... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso wandering sax player
Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:51:53PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: Nice, well exposed and i like the band in the mirror thing happening. The red cone.. I didn't even notice the cone until I looked at the picture. The room was pretty dark. Unfortunately you can't always rearrange the room when you're taking candids. Larry, buddy, I applaud your enthusiasm, but if you're bumbling about the room with a big honking flash, you're not taking candids. You're just making it hard for the rest of us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons
This guy has posted the best controlled comparison I have seen of noise levels in the two cameras: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51031...@n00/sets/72157621362031046/ Navigate through until you get to the original size images. Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so. The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I would like to use). I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K7. I may still buy one, but not for better noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out. Some reports claim that Pentax implemented less noise reduction in RAW images from the K7, and that this accounts for its poorer noise performance. I don't know whether this is true or just BS. From what I read, the K7 is a fine camera in other respects. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
From: Bob W hat's my poor writing, then. He wasn't expressing an interest in the camera, he was making fun of it. Not that I give a damn what anyone thinks about the camera, but it's not the way for a salesperson to approach a customer. People quite often ask about it. Just a couple of weeks ago a doorman in a bookshop asked about it, and we had quite a long and pleasant conversation. It's one thing to express a genuine interest, quite another what this guy today was doing. Bob As you relate the incident, it would have elicited a grin from me and maybe even a sale. Some people don't have the right temperament or social skills to make a living as a salesperson. I'm probably one of them, but even I know it's a bad idea to make fun of something a customer is carrying ... at least not until the customer has left the premises. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
Scott Loveless wrote: On 7/23/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: We're just glad you're OK and still an integral part of this little group. Well, I didn't mean to worry anyone. [snip] But the house hasn't burned down and there's still food on the table, so I probably should complain too loudly. talk about a freudian slip :-) Ok - I'll try to find a night shot ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP
Actually curves (or a subset) are in the latest Photoshop Elements, just not obvious. Since I don't have a recent edition I cant't reference it for you. jm - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Sort of OT: Photoshop vs.GIMP And what is price for Photoshop Elements? For Windows users the latest Photoshop Elements runs about $100, about $150 when bundled with Premier Elements for video production. I do not know about Mac version pricing. You can also find a 1 or 2 generation old version bundled with a Wacom Bamboo table for $100 which is an excellent buy in my opinion. These are retail store prices and can probably be beat with diligent internet searches. PSE for Mac OS X is around $90 depending upon where you buy it. I would NOT buy an outdated version ... it limits which version of Camera Raw you can use with it, which limits RAW conversion capabilities ... depending upon what camera you are using, you might not need the latest Camera Raw, of course, but the other thing is that in PSE you only have the 'basic' mode Camera Raw operation without all the more sophisticated capabilities. Enough for a lot of work but less convenient. The Mac OS X version of PSE does not include the 'album' image management components that the Windows version does, IIRC. This, to me, is a major lack ... no different from PS CSx, but one of the reasons I am so big on Lightroom. To me, the major editing deficiencies in PSE itself are a lack of color management options (not important for many, I'm sure) and the lack of the Curves tool palette (essential to my PS editing methodology). I'm not sure whether the latest version has Curves tools. I also don't know how sophisticated the current version is regards layers and 16bit editing capabilities. Layers in particular (one of the primary ways of implementing any and all forms of compositing including HDR, creative localized sharpening, etc) is one of the major reasons why I go to Photoshop nowadays since everything else is handled so well by Lightroom for my kind of photographic editing. -- Godfrey www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto www.twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Whats a DS worth these days?
From: Tim ?sleby he title says it. My stepsons ex girlfriend has had my trusty ol DS on loan. After becoming an ex she has asked to buy it. Whats a fair price of the body plus kit lens? Don't want to overcharge her, but I'm not giving it away either. I have consulted the going prices at eBay, but that didn't make me any wiser. KEH shows a LN- IST DL w/18-55 for $325. Girlfriend is almost family, so probably $250 or so ... unless she did him dirt, then I'd ask $400. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:27:09PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - Any camera with an R G B histogram should make any film photographer a better photog. I find it invaluable, but have run into some issues. The biggest is that the histogram is based on the JPEG, not the raw data. It is what I use for checking my exposure and how I decided that the K100 needed +0.7 EV and the K20 didn't. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso wandering sax player
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 04:12:19PM -0400, Doug Brewer wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:51:53PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: Nice, well exposed and i like the band in the mirror thing happening. The red cone.. I didn't even notice the cone until I looked at the picture. The room was pretty dark. Unfortunately you can't always rearrange the room when you're taking candids. Larry, buddy, I applaud your enthusiasm, but if you're bumbling about the room with a big honking flash, you're not taking candids. You're just making it hard for the rest of us. OK, so it's not a candid. It also wasn't posed. The band are friends of mine and they're enthused about the photos. I also checked and made sure the flash wasn't a problem. Also, the flash has nothing to do with my bumbling, you should have seen my dancing. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons
There is less chroma noise IMO. When noise is there it is less annoying than the K20D it seems (it seems 'cos I do not own a K20D). I indeed prefer that kind of noise than from my K10D, clearly. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
Yep, the histogram takes WB into account. If your WB isn't correct (which is often the case for me since RAW allows for that, I don't caremuch about WB when shooting), the histogram is screwed (and the photographer also consequently). -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Nice capture P.J ! I had a red tail sighting on my street recently but didn't even get one shot I would show... just enough to confirm it was, in fact, a red-tail... i love those guys ann P. J. Alling wrote: This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
On 23/7/09, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: Has anyone heard from him since then? We ought to be more concerned about Scott than the PUG. Oh believe me, I most definitely am.. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: July PUG?
On 23/7/09, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll try to get something tonight. That's usually *my* line !! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Great experience - I had a similar experience once, but with a kestrel and a starling. Didn't have my camera with me though. Bob This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtail hawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How to lose a sale
If the sales person was truly perceived as making fun (ridiculing) the camera, he either picked the wrong shopper or his routine needs work. He must to be aware that precise language and inflections could easily be lost in retrospect. Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: RE: How to lose a sale To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:53 PM From: Bob W hat's my poor writing, then. He wasn't expressing an interest in the camera, he was making fun of it. Not that I give a damn what anyone thinks about the camera, but it's not the way for a salesperson to approach a customer. People quite often ask about it. Just a couple of weeks ago a doorman in a bookshop asked about it, and we had quite a long and pleasant conversation. It's one thing to express a genuine interest, quite another what this guy today was doing. Bob As you relate the incident, it would have elicited a grin from me and maybe even a sale. Some people don't have the right temperament or social skills to make a living as a salesperson. I'm probably one of them, but even I know it's a bad idea to make fun of something a customer is carrying ... at least not until the customer has left the premises. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Looks like a decent web image was produced by the much maligned FA 28~200. Sort of appears, however, the roof gable is in the best focus.(?) Nice grab in any case! Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:32 PM This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Jack Davis wrote: Looks like a decent web image was produced by the much maligned FA 28~200. Sort of appears, however, the roof gable is in the best focus.(?) Nice grab in any case! Jack JAck - you hit a sore spot with the redtail experience I had recently... of course, PJ was undoubtedly using auto focus... and so was I when I shot the shots I took that are useless I was too far away to fill the screen with the birdy the bricks he was sitting just in front of are nice and sharp. :-( ann --- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:32 PM This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued
they whom i call Thibouille wrote: Yep, the histogram takes WB into account. If your WB isn't correct (which is often the case for me since RAW allows for that, I don't caremuch about WB when shooting), the histogram is screwed (and the photographer also consequently). does no camera offer a raw histogram? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Great catch! Mumble mumble never mumble had such mumble luck. :-( On Jul 23, 2009, at 14:32 , P. J. Alling wrote: This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20-- %20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
Woops! Sorry, Ann, didn't mean to hit a tender spot. :( Hope it's all better soon. ;) Only made the focus comments as a sort of follow-up to PJ's previously related FA 28~200 performance experiences. Jack --- On Thu, 7/23/09, ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: From: ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Subject: Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 3:22 PM Jack Davis wrote: Looks like a decent web image was produced by the much maligned FA 28~200. Sort of appears, however, the roof gable is in the best focus.(?) Nice grab in any case! Jack JAck - you hit a sore spot with the redtail experience I had recently... of course, PJ was undoubtedly using auto focus... and so was I when I shot the shots I took that are useless I was too far away to fill the screen with the birdy the bricks he was sitting just in front of are nice and sharp. :-( ann --- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:32 PM This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk
The ISO was 400 the f stop was f10 the shutter speed was 1/640. There should be lots of DOF but I think there was some subject movement... ann sanfedele wrote: Jack Davis wrote: Looks like a decent web image was produced by the much maligned FA 28~200. Sort of appears, however, the roof gable is in the best focus.(?) Nice grab in any case! Jack JAck - you hit a sore spot with the redtail experience I had recently... of course, PJ was undoubtedly using auto focus... and so was I when I shot the shots I took that are useless I was too far away to fill the screen with the birdy the bricks he was sitting just in front of are nice and sharp. :-( ann --- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:32 PM This is why I carry a camera everywhere... I was walking in downtown Madison CT. Once but no longer a rural town, and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet alfresco. He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA branch. I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me. http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 I decided to give Dropbox a try. It looks promising. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT The PEN Story
Hi Guys, I was sent the following link, it's a 3min ad for the new Oly Pen, interesting, someone in marketing let go of the creative reins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Et7UQh1tg -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Aperture Update (sort of)
Apple today released an chunk of code said to improve the operability of all of it's Pro software. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/application_updates/prokit50.html I can only assume it puts some patches in the system and/or applications that correct a few bugs that we've all been complaining about for more than a year. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.” — Kevan Olesen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
