Re: Sigma flash woes

[Thibouille]

P-TTL metering relies entirely on usual multizone metering. This is
why it was so much cheaper to abandon plain old TTL (much less
hardware, less software = much cheaper).
It means that a new flash would not change much if PTTL protocol
doesn't change or if metering doesn't change (except badly engineered
Sigmas maybe).

Luckily the K-7 has an improved metering. I'm not using flash enough
to say how much better it is than older Pentax DSLRs but it is better.
The classical shoot in front of a mirror was quite acceptable when K10D was not.

The guys from the list who own a K-7 and use flash should make
thourough testing :)
I'd help but consider myself as a total noob as per flash use :(

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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 18:51 , John Sessoms wrote:


From: "Bob W"
> > One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and  
the  > > Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
> > Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, >  
which is not  > available for the Mac.

> > Thomas
There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we  
develop uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS  
clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I  
already have

it.
There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly  
which

are not available on Macs


OTOH, I believe Micro$soft is still the largest vendor of Mac  
software.


Explain yourself, please.

Microsoft is currently selling 1 software program for the Macintosh,

• Microsoft Office (1998-2008) (with some breaks in computability)

which consists of :

	• Microsoft Excel Version 8.0 (1998), 9.0 (2000), 10 (2001), 11  
(2004), 12 (2008)
	• Microsoft PowerPoint Version 8.0 (1998), 9.0 (2000), 10.0 (2002),  
11.0 (2004), 12.0 (2008)
	• Microsoft Word Version 8.0 (1998), 9.0 (2000), 10 (2001), 11  
(2004), 12 (2008)

• Microsoft Entourage (2001-2008)

Apple probably sells more copies of iLife and iWork to Mac users at  
$89-$99 each than MS sells Office for Mac for $299-$440.


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This thing that you see,
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Re: Sigma flash woes

[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:42:06PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

> I don't think it's possible to "repair" it so it won't do that. My 
> experience with the AF-540 is it will stay in whatever mode you set it 
> in until it powers itself down to save the batteries.

Nope, it'll pop out of manual exposure at a whim.

Sometimes it won't let me set into manual.


> 
> When it powers up again it reverts to P-TTL and I think that's the way 
> Pentax designed it.
> 
> >Another peeve is that there is no manual control over the in camera
> >flash. I have studio strobes that can be optically triggered, but
> >there seems to be no way of doing so without putting a little dumb
> >external flash on my camera. It would be so simple to have a menu item
> >to run the flash manually at full power down to 1/16 at 1/2 stop
> >intervals.
> 
> I wonder if setting the flash compensation for the built in flash to 
> -2EV and fitting a small deflector to bounce it up to the ceiling would 
> work?

as has been discussed, you still have the preflash.


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Re: PESO - Kaleidoscope Dreaming

[ann sanfedele]

thanks, Jack  .. and Boris...
was it a man or woman with Kaleidoscope eyes?  I don't know

for those interested in seeing the outside of the object I just 
listed it on ebay for my friend


http://tinyurl.com/nutt8m

ann

Jack Davis wrote:


Tricky and cleverly done, Ann.

Jack

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

 


From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: PESO - Kaleidoscope Dreaming
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 10:06 PM
I'm listing a rather unusual
kaleidoscope art piece on ebay tomorrow (er, um, not is is
Sunday - so today)
so in addition to photoing the outside extensively , I had
fun peering through it with my camera... I took
some with the pentax /canon combo but haven't gotten one I
liked yet...

so this is, partdon me, with jsut my darkside stuff

http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2607384_N3Nso/1/607910189_pRpMt/Large

the kaleidoscope isn't symetrical, as you see... I put the
camera up to one of the eye holes

kinda fun  and Ineeded some fun stuff today

ann


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Re: Sigma flash woes

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Larry Colen
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:45:02AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>> > The Sigma flashes have a well-earned reputation for being cheap junk.
>>> > They're both cheaply built and also very rarely actually fully
>>> > compatible with the flash protocol they claim to support.
>>
>> That's good to know.
>>
>>> > > Metz on the other hand makes superb kit.
>>
>> If I stick with Pentax, I may well need to find something to replace
>> my AF540. I swear that I spend more time fighting that POS than I do
>> with it operating correctly.
>> Sometimes P-TTL works beautifully, sometimes I just get something
>> about four stops underexposed. That, however, may be the camera,
>> someone said that they tried a K-7 and where the K20 metered on the
>> reflection of the flash the K-7 metered on the rest of the scene.
>>
>> Since I can't trust P-TTL to work properly, or may have other reasons
>> to shoot in manual flash mode, I frequently want to. My AF-540 will
>> not stay in manual mode. It'll work in manual for a while and will
>> then spontaneously decide that what I really need is P-TTL.
>> I even sent it in to be repaired. They replaced a bunch of the
>> circuitry, but it still decides it knows better than me what I want.
>>
>
> I don't think it's possible to "repair" it so it won't do that. My
> experience with the AF-540 is it will stay in whatever mode you set it in
> until it powers itself down to save the batteries.
>
> When it powers up again it reverts to P-TTL and I think that's the way
> Pentax designed it.

So it's broken by design. One reason I love the mode switch on my
Nikon Speedlights. No way for the flash to override hardware selection
of mode.

>
>> Another peeve is that there is no manual control over the in camera
>> flash. I have studio strobes that can be optically triggered, but
>> there seems to be no way of doing so without putting a little dumb
>> external flash on my camera. It would be so simple to have a menu item
>> to run the flash manually at full power down to 1/16 at 1/2 stop
>> intervals.
>
> I wonder if setting the flash compensation for the built in flash to -2EV
> and fitting a small deflector to bounce it up to the ceiling would work?
>

It might. But even then the preflash will trigger the strobes early.
If the strobes are smart enough to offer a preflash delay option, you
can also use a Nikon SG-3IR panel to block the visible portion of the
popup's firing (this should work for controlling a flash via wireless
TTL as well).



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Re: Sigma flash woes

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:45:02AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:

> The Sigma flashes have a well-earned reputation for being cheap junk.
> They're both cheaply built and also very rarely actually fully
> compatible with the flash protocol they claim to support.


That's good to know.

> 
> Metz on the other hand makes superb kit.


If I stick with Pentax, I may well need to find something to replace
my AF540. I swear that I spend more time fighting that POS than I do
with it operating correctly. 


Sometimes P-TTL works beautifully, sometimes I just get something
about four stops underexposed. That, however, may be the camera,
someone said that they tried a K-7 and where the K20 metered on the
reflection of the flash the K-7 metered on the rest of the scene.

Since I can't trust P-TTL to work properly, or may have other reasons
to shoot in manual flash mode, I frequently want to. My AF-540 will
not stay in manual mode. It'll work in manual for a while and will
then spontaneously decide that what I really need is P-TTL. 


I even sent it in to be repaired. They replaced a bunch of the
circuitry, but it still decides it knows better than me what I want.



I don't think it's possible to "repair" it so it won't do that. My 
experience with the AF-540 is it will stay in whatever mode you set it 
in until it powers itself down to save the batteries.


When it powers up again it reverts to P-TTL and I think that's the way 
Pentax designed it.



Another peeve is that there is no manual control over the in camera
flash. I have studio strobes that can be optically triggered, but
there seems to be no way of doing so without putting a little dumb
external flash on my camera. It would be so simple to have a menu item
to run the flash manually at full power down to 1/16 at 1/2 stop
intervals.


I wonder if setting the flash compensation for the built in flash to 
-2EV and fitting a small deflector to bounce it up to the ceiling would 
work?



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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 3:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

OTOH, I believe Micro$soft is still the largest vendor of Mac  
software.


But not so much development software. And why should they, Xcode comes  
with every Mac. It's hard to compete against that.


Thomas


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RE: Ping

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"
> > One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
> > Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
> 
> Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, 
> which is not  
> available for the Mac.
> 
> Thomas


There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already have
it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly which
are not available on Macs


OTOH, I believe Micro$soft is still the largest vendor of Mac software.

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Re: Does K20 feed video signals to video output during LV?

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 03:05:48PM +0200, Tim ?sleby wrote:
> Title says whats needed to say.

I am fairly certain that it does not.


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Re: Sigma flash woes

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:45:02AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:

> The Sigma flashes have a well-earned reputation for being cheap junk.
> They're both cheaply built and also very rarely actually fully
> compatible with the flash protocol they claim to support.

That's good to know.

> 
> Metz on the other hand makes superb kit.

If I stick with Pentax, I may well need to find something to replace
my AF540. I swear that I spend more time fighting that POS than I do
with it operating correctly. 

Sometimes P-TTL works beautifully, sometimes I just get something
about four stops underexposed. That, however, may be the camera,
someone said that they tried a K-7 and where the K20 metered on the
reflection of the flash the K-7 metered on the rest of the scene.

Since I can't trust P-TTL to work properly, or may have other reasons
to shoot in manual flash mode, I frequently want to. My AF-540 will
not stay in manual mode. It'll work in manual for a while and will
then spontaneously decide that what I really need is P-TTL. 

I even sent it in to be repaired. They replaced a bunch of the
circuitry, but it still decides it knows better than me what I want.

Another peeve is that there is no manual control over the in camera
flash. I have studio strobes that can be optically triggered, but
there seems to be no way of doing so without putting a little dumb
external flash on my camera. It would be so simple to have a menu item
to run the flash manually at full power down to 1/16 at 1/2 stop
intervals.


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Re: my pocket dslr

[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 08:31:54PM -0400, Miserere wrote:
> 2009/8/1 Larry Colen :
> >
> > It makes me curious about how the K7/DA40 combo is, and how many
> > Pentax could sell if they marketed it right.
> 
> I would say "a few". The problem is you used the taboo word in Pentax
> World: "Marketing".
> 
> They do make a fine pair, though:
> 
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/170/340/pentax1_28.jpg

That looks pretty sweet. Interesting that you don't have the sunshade
on. The biggest problem with using my K100 as a pocketcam is the damn
snoot of the eyepiece. 

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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 16:53 , P. J. Alling wrote:


Ken Waller wrote:


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" >


Subject: Re: OT: Weather in NY



From: Boris Liberman
Oh, shite. And I thought I was going to get a little rest from  
local

hot weather...

Well, at least, I don't need to bring any warm clothes, makes my
suitcase lighter  ;-) .


That weather report is from Washington STATE, not Washington, DC.  
It's unusually warm for Washington STATE, but I guess not so much  
for Washington, DC.


That's why Congress takes a months paid vacation in August.


Ya think we could pay them more so they'd stay away longer/


Unfortunately, not all of them are in it for the money.


Oh!  Those are the worst!  They have an agenda, and closed minds.

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Re: Magic Needles

[Joseph McAllister]

Loved the concept. It worked. But I could never break myself of the  
habit of putting a lengthwise curl on the film to stiffen it to try to  
insert it into the needles. That just never worked right, and the  
force to insert the film deep enough to be certain the film would stay  
put usually folded the film.


What worked on the second try was holding the film on both sides with  
little sticking out, and pushing on it while I let my fingers part  
around the spool.


Any other ways tried left the film crooked between the needles, which  
did not then self straighten as you wound the film, creating a bump in  
the film as it wound.


In other words, it worked, but I personally found it awkward. If I had  
done as I did when I learned to load film on 135 and 120 Nikor reels,  
and practiced for a few dozen times before trying it in haste, I  
probably would have loved it.


On Aug 2, 2009, at 16:46 , Adam Maas wrote:

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Dario Bonazza> wrote:

Adam Maas wrote:


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling

wrote:


(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)


Who doesn't?



Never had a problem with the magic needles thing. My first SLR has  
been a MX
and I've done quite a lot af astrophotography with it in the early  
days.
Changing rolls in the dark has never been a problem for me, as  
there was no
need to look for film slots in the take-up spool. Just push the  
leader into

any magic needles and it's done!

Dario


I found the needles to be exactly the opposite, very fiddly to load.
Could never get the bloody things to go in right and stay that way.

The best loading system I've used for mechanical-wind 35mm bodies was
the Canon QL system.


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Re: First Macro

[Joseph McAllister]

It looks slightly soft - could be movement of the leaf. It's so small  
and there is no metadata, so I don't know what you shot it at, i.e.:  
zoom focal length, shutter speed, etc..


It looks typical, is my 2 cents worth.   :-)


On Aug 2, 2009, at 15:59 , John Graves wrote:

Thought I'd see what my Sigma 70-300 would do in macro mode.  Any  
and all comments are appreciated.   My first reaction was that there  
is depth of field in this beast.  Is Depth of field an experiment.   
Also the tripod came out quickly.  But it was fun


Look  here:   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2498/3782205427_b4970bd919.jpg
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Re: my pocket dslr

[Miserere]

2009/8/1 Larry Colen :
>
> It makes me curious about how the K7/DA40 combo is, and how many
> Pentax could sell if they marketed it right.

I would say "a few". The problem is you used the taboo word in Pentax
World: "Marketing".

They do make a fine pair, though:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/170/340/pentax1_28.jpg


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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[P. J. Alling]

Ken Waller wrote:


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" 

Subject: Re: OT: Weather in NY



From: Boris Liberman

Oh, shite. And I thought I was going to get a little rest from local
hot weather...

Well, at least, I don't need to bring any warm clothes, makes my
suitcase lighter  ;-) .


That weather report is from Washington STATE, not Washington, DC. 
It's unusually warm for Washington STATE, but I guess not so much for 
Washington, DC.


That's why Congress takes a months paid vacation in August.


Ya think we could pay them more so they'd stay away longer/


Unfortunately, not all of them are in it for the money.

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Re: Recent enablements

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling>>
>>> wrote:

 (and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)
>>>
>>> Who doesn't?
>>>
>
> Never had a problem with the magic needles thing. My first SLR has been a MX
> and I've done quite a lot af astrophotography with it in the early days.
> Changing rolls in the dark has never been a problem for me, as there was no
> need to look for film slots in the take-up spool. Just push the leader into
> any magic needles and it's done!
>
> Dario

I found the needles to be exactly the opposite, very fiddly to load.
Could never get the bloody things to go in right and stay that way.

The best loading system I've used for mechanical-wind 35mm bodies was
the Canon QL system.


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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 12:06 AM, Thibouille wrote:

Thomas, you may find some scripts allowing iSync to play nicely with  
your phone.

I found one for my parents Nokia 3160: not supposed to work but it
syncs with iSnc (with Bluetooth) VERY nicely :) :)


Syncing works through Google Contacts very nicely. The problem was an  
update for the firmware of the phone.


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FS: Pentax K100D Super, 18-55, accessories

[Nick Wright]

I'm still looking to sell my K100D Super and lens.

Excellent condition Pentax K100D Super, 18-55II lens, original box,
most of the accessories, eight NiMH AA and charger.

Let's try $250 for the whole kit, shipping included to lower 48. Paypal please.

Drop me a line.

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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Ken Waller]

Very nice Sasha. Well composed and presented.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 


Subject: RE: Geso - San Francisco +



The dancing girls are very easy on the eye, but this one is pure Kertesz:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3779630863/in/set-72157621794306829/

Bob





I feel so stupid!
Here is the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157621794306829/
thanks Pat.

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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 


Subject: Re: OT: Weather in NY



From: Boris Liberman

Oh, shite. And I thought I was going to get a little rest from local
hot weather...

Well, at least, I don't need to bring any warm clothes, makes my
suitcase lighter  ;-) .


That weather report is from Washington STATE, not Washington, DC. It's 
unusually warm for Washington STATE, but I guess not so much for 
Washington, DC.


That's why Congress takes a months paid vacation in August.


Ya think we could pay them more so they'd stay away longer/


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First Macro

[John Graves]

Thought I'd see what my Sigma 70-300 would do in macro mode.  Any and 
all comments are appreciated.   My first reaction was that there is 
depth of field in this beast.  Is Depth of field an experiment.  Also 
the tripod came out quickly.  But it was fun


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Re: Recent enablements

[Dario Bonazza]

Adam Maas wrote:


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling
wrote:

(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)


Who doesn't?



Never had a problem with the magic needles thing. My first SLR has been a MX 
and I've done quite a lot af astrophotography with it in the early days. 
Changing rolls in the dark has never been a problem for me, as there was no 
need to look for film slots in the take-up spool. Just push the leader into 
any magic needles and it's done!


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Re: Ping

[Thibouille]

Thomas, you may find some scripts allowing iSync to play nicely with your phone.
I found one for my parents Nokia 3160: not supposed to work but it
syncs with iSnc (with Bluetooth) VERY nicely :) :)

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Thomas Bohn wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:13 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.
>
> I thought so too, until this week. I bought a Samsung Galaxy cell phone. And
> Samsung released a firmware update and the only way to install this update
> was to run a weird piece of software called "New PC Studio" and this piece
> of software is of course only available for Windows.
>
> And I thought, I would buy an Android cell phone so that I don't need
> Windows ...
>
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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 




Or you could make your own pano head:

http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Panoramic-Tripod-Head



Well, that looks really interesting!  Thanks for the link, Brian!  Cheers, 
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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:13 PM, paul stenquist wrote:


I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.


I thought so too, until this week. I bought a Samsung Galaxy cell  
phone. And Samsung released a firmware update and the only way to  
install this update was to run a weird piece of software called "New  
PC Studio" and this piece of software is of course only available for  
Windows.


And I thought, I would buy an Android cell phone so that I don't need  
Windows ...


Thomas

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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting


It's doable but difficult. Much easier is a monopod and a normal ball
head. Rotate the camera in portrait position on the monopod and
experiment a little. The bottom part of the monopod should align with
the nodal point of the lens.
Put a spirit level in the hotshoe and rotate the contraption.

If you're interested I make a few photos of the setup.



Hi Toine:  Yep!  I'm interested.  Cheers, Christine



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Re: Ping

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On Aug 2, 2009, at 14:13 , paul stenquist wrote:

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on  
anything. So I just run OSX on my two Macs.

Paul


Yes you are. Unfortunately, I have several pieces of hardware  
(programmable radio, audio input to USB) that the developers never  
bothered to write drivers for the Mac. Which is so dumb, as the Macs  
now use the same CPU as the PCs, and serial port emulation has been  
around for 15 years now.



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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

[Toine]

I'll do that tomorrow in daylight.

Toine

2009/8/2 Brian Walters :
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:40 +0200, "Toine"  wrote:
>> It's doable but difficult. Much easier is a monopod and a normal ball
>> head. Rotate the camera in portrait position on the monopod and
>> experiment a little. The bottom part of the monopod should align with
>> the nodal point of the lens.
>> Put a spirit level in the hotshoe and rotate the contraption.
>>
>> If you're interested I make a few photos of the setup.
>>
>
>
>
> I'd like to see that - if you've got time.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:40 +0200, "Toine"  wrote:
> It's doable but difficult. Much easier is a monopod and a normal ball
> head. Rotate the camera in portrait position on the monopod and
> experiment a little. The bottom part of the monopod should align with
> the nodal point of the lens.
> Put a spirit level in the hotshoe and rotate the contraption.
> 
> If you're interested I make a few photos of the setup.
> 



I'd like to see that - if you've got time.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:32 -0500, "Christine  Aguila"
 wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> I shot a quick pano of the site & merged it in PSE 5.
> 
> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/panoone/content/construction_pano_1200_large.html
> 



Have you tried Hugin?  I've only done a few panos, hand held, but I find
it does a pretty good job of assembling panoramas just using the
"Assistant" without worrying too much about selecting control points. 
It's free and worth a look:

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/


> Obviously, my 1st pano has problems, so I did a little research and found 
> this.  Just thought you might be interested if you don't want to buy a 
> special pano head.  Anybody every try anything like this?
> 
> http://www.philohome.com/tripod/shooting.htm
> 


That looks fiddly but might be worth a try.  Thanks for the link.

Or you could make your own pano head:

http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Panoramic-Tripod-Head



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Bigger 2 Opponent

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Roman Melihhov"

Subject: Bigger 2 Opponent



http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20090802184311
^^^ We had a bunch of his mean-looking shots, but he barely could hold
his laugh. Nice guy. Comments welcome.


I don't know if I'd laugh at anyone holding a baseball bat (though there are 
a few Blue Jays that are kinda laughable).
Nice shot though. I like the single light with the shadow. It works for this 
subject.


William Robb 



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Re: Ping

[paul stenquist]

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.  
So I just run OSX on my two Macs.

Paul
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Thibouille wrote:


Two comments Bob:

First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates from... 7
years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
(Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his system
tends to go flacky.
Geez, my system's flacky after 9 months when running Windows only :(

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Re: Ping

[Thibouille]

Two comments Bob:

First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates from... 7
years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
(Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his system
tends to go flacky.
Geez, my system's flacky after 9 months when running Windows only :(

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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

I'm not interested in running Windows on a Mac -I don't need emulators
adding another layer of complication. I've already ordered a  Netbook
because they are useful looking devices, and I think this machine is going
to die soon. Getting a Netbook now reduces the impact of losing this
machine. I'll think about a longer-term solution later, based around my
photography workflow, and buy whatever is most suitable for that that I can
afford at  the time.

Meantime, having re-installed Windows I'm struggling to get the new
installation to connect to the network drive where all my photos are
stored...

Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph McAllister
> Sent: 02 August 2009 21:51
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Ping
> 
> Apples campaign to inform PC users about Windows capabilities on the  
> Macintosh for the past several years must be pretty much a 
> failure then.
> 
> I run XP on my iMac under Parallels, which allows you to have 
> both OSs  
> running at the same time, and copy and paste or move files back and  
> forth between them. There are others that allow the same  
> functionality, and others that mean you have to reboot to change OSs.
> 
> If you feel the need to have a Netbook as well, you might 
> want to wait  
> until early next year, when Apple will have a tablet form Netbook,  
> like a large iTouch/iPhone with a 12~14 inch screen (16-9). 
> Of course,  
> that is only an informed rumor, as Apple never announces new 
> products  
> beforehand.
> 
> Once you go Mac, you'll never go back...
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:10 , Bob W wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the
> >>> Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
> >>
> >> Or just a Mac, I can't think of anything, besides games,
> >> which is not
> >> available for the Mac.
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >
> > There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product 
> we develop  
> > uses
> > the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS  
> > clones
> > for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when 
> I already  
> > have
> > it.
> >
> > There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use 
> regularly  
> > which
> > are not available on Macs
> 
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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

Apples campaign to inform PC users about Windows capabilities on the  
Macintosh for the past several years must be pretty much a failure then.


I run XP on my iMac under Parallels, which allows you to have both OSs  
running at the same time, and copy and paste or move files back and  
forth between them. There are others that allow the same  
functionality, and others that mean you have to reboot to change OSs.


If you feel the need to have a Netbook as well, you might want to wait  
until early next year, when Apple will have a tablet form Netbook,  
like a large iTouch/iPhone with a 12~14 inch screen (16-9). Of course,  
that is only an informed rumor, as Apple never announces new products  
beforehand.


Once you go Mac, you'll never go back...


On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:10 , Bob W wrote:



One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the
Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.


Or just a Mac, I can't think of anything, besides games,
which is not
available for the Mac.

Thomas


There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop  
uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS  
clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already  
have

it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly  
which

are not available on Macs


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Re: A Pano Tip that looks interesting

[Toine]

It's doable but difficult. Much easier is a monopod and a normal ball
head. Rotate the camera in portrait position on the monopod and
experiment a little. The bottom part of the monopod should align with
the nodal point of the lens.
Put a spirit level in the hotshoe and rotate the contraption.

If you're interested I make a few photos of the setup.

Toine

2009/8/2 Christine  Aguila :
> Hi Everyone:
>
> I shot a quick pano of the site & merged it in PSE 5.
>
> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/panoone/content/construction_pano_1200_large.html
>
>
>
> Obviously, my 1st pano has problems, so I did a little research and found
> this.  Just thought you might be interested if you don't want to buy a
> special pano head.  Anybody every try anything like this?
>
> http://www.philohome.com/tripod/shooting.htm
>
> Cheers, Christine
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Bigger 2 Opponent

[Roman Melihhov]

http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20090802184311
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Re: Recent enablements

[paul stenquist]

I never had a problem with the needles and didn't understand what all  
the fuss was about. Now, my Leica iiif is another story. That's  
fiddly. Although when I used it regularly, I got so I could reload it  
on the fly during a night walkaround.

Paul
On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling> wrote:

(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)


Who doesn't?

You get used to them after a while.



I never did. Frankly I'd rather load a Leica M than anything with the
magic needles. They're too damned fiddly and they slow down loading
even more than Leica's flap and cover setup.

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A Pano Tip that looks interesting

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Everyone:

I shot a quick pano of the site & merged it in PSE 5.

http://www.caguila.com/caguila/panoone/content/construction_pano_1200_large.html



Obviously, my 1st pano has problems, so I did a little research and found 
this.  Just thought you might be interested if you don't want to buy a 
special pano head.  Anybody every try anything like this?


http://www.philohome.com/tripod/shooting.htm

Cheers, Christine 




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Re: PESO face touch up questions

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Boris.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: PESO face touch up questions


Looks pretty natural to me. Meaning that whatever you did in post
processing does not shot, which IMO, is a good thing.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Christine  Aguila 
wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Thought the PDML men might enjoy waking up to a pretty face :-). Anyway, I
used the skin softener feature in Lightroom, but what would you do about 
the
white border around both cheeks? Just practicing some touch up skills 
here.


http://www.caguila.com/caguila/model/content/calumet_model_large.html

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Re: GESO Construction V

[Christine Aguila]

Actually, I did a crop of that without the guy in the upper frame--and I 
think you're right, it would look better!   Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Sasha Sobol" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: GESO Construction V



Christine, thanks for the nice sets.

One minor rant:
I would like to see the variant of the fist frame
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/content/superstructure_july_31_2009_10_large.html
with only one worker, less visual clutter, a little close up.

--Sasha

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Bob W wrote:

Good stuff, as usual. I worked on a building site in the summer of 1976 -
pouring concrete was my favourite job. Cleaning the cement mixer was not.

Bob


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Behalf Of Christine Aguila
Sent: 02 August 2009 02:45
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: GESO Construction V

Hi Everyone:

Just 2 small galleries. I've started a blog, which gives me
a central
location for this stuff, making my life a little easier.

I shot Friday, and I really struggled. It was one of those
days where my
concentration and focus (mine not the camera's) was not the best.

Gallery from Friday's shoot.
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/index.html



I shot this really small gallery maybe over a week ago.
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/welding/

Comments/critique welcome.
Cheers, Christine



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Re: GESO Construction V

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks Bob W. and Boris.  Fun title, Boris.  There is a woman cement expert, 
Bob, who does all the testing of cement.  I've a nice little series of her 
using her cone to run through cement tests.  She's really nice, and we talk 
a bit on the site.  I'd post the series for you, but she doesn't want any 
pics of her posted on the web.  Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 

To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: GESO Construction V



Good stuff, as usual. I worked on a building site in the summer of 1976 -
pouring concrete was my favourite job. Cleaning the cement mixer was not.

Bob


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Behalf Of Christine Aguila
Sent: 02 August 2009 02:45
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: GESO Construction V

Hi Everyone:

Just 2 small galleries.  I've started a blog, which gives me
a central
location for this stuff, making my life a little easier.

I shot Friday, and I really struggled.  It was one of those
days where my
concentration and focus (mine not the camera's) was not the best.

Gallery from Friday's shoot.
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/index.html



I shot this really small gallery maybe over a week ago.
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/welding/

Comments/critique welcome.
Cheers, Christine



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Re: GESO Construction V

[Christine Aguila]

From: "William Robb" 



From: "Christine Aguila"
Subject: Re: GESO Construction V


  I have to make sure I present myself as capable, safety aware, and 
discreet, or I'll be yanked off the site real quick.




You watch yourself. 


I most definetly intend to!

Construction sites are far more dangerous than people 
think, and injuries are rarely trifling.


Agreed!  It's not fun and games out there!  


Cheers, Christine



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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Christine Aguila]

What Bob W. said.  Terrific shot!  Cheers, Christine



From: "Bob W" 



this one is pure Kertesz:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3779630863/in/set-72157621794306829/




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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Christine Aguila]

What Igor said!  Nice gallery, Sasha.  Cheers, Christine


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To: 
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Subject: Re: Geso - San Francisco +




Sasha,

It's a lovely gallery with some shots that I enjoyed.




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Re: GESO Construction V

[Sasha Sobol]

Christine, thanks for the nice sets.

One minor rant:
I would like to see the variant of the fist frame
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/content/superstructure_july_31_2009_10_large.html
with only one worker, less visual clutter, a little close up.

--Sasha

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Bob W wrote:
> Good stuff, as usual. I worked on a building site in the summer of 1976 -
> pouring concrete was my favourite job. Cleaning the cement mixer was not.
>
> Bob
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
>> Behalf Of Christine Aguila
>> Sent: 02 August 2009 02:45
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: GESO Construction V
>>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> Just 2 small galleries.  I've started a blog, which gives me
>> a central
>> location for this stuff, making my life a little easier.
>>
>> I shot Friday, and I really struggled.  It was one of those
>> days where my
>> concentration and focus (mine not the camera's) was not the best.
>>
>> Gallery from Friday's shoot.
>> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I shot this really small gallery maybe over a week ago.
>> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/welding/
>>
>> Comments/critique welcome.
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Sasha Sobol]

Igor, thanks!
About women hands: well, San Francisco is trying to be photographer
friendly, so I think they set up those hands for us :)
I liked the Joni Michell jazz things - I never head that before.
Thanks.
I was not moved enough to buy the disk right away, but I have made a
Pandora station out of that to see if I like that enough.

--Sasha

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
> Sasha,
>
> It's a lovely gallery with some shots that I enjoyed.
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> What's up with SF these days?! - It seems to be full of female hands
> set in shop windows - first Godfrey's photo, now yours...
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3780430140/in/set-72157621794306829/
> It looks like a work of a serial photo-killer (cf. photo-rifle).
> :-)
>
> Regarding the CD, - I liked the samples that I heard on Amazon
> although I was not taken by it to the extent of buying it immediately.
> I thought you may like "Mingus" by Joni Mitchell:
> http://www.amazon.com/Mingus-Joni-Mitchell/dp/B02GWV/
>
> I see one song from it being available in full on youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZeyIbcsuPE
> (and possibly some others - in "related)
>
> Igor
>
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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Sasha Sobol]

Bob, thanks.
I should probably stop taking photos now - being Kertesz  is the top! :)

--Sasha

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Bob W wrote:
> The dancing girls are very easy on the eye, but this one is pure Kertesz:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3779630863/in/set-72157621794306829/
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>>
>> I feel so stupid!
>> Here is the link:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157621794306829/
>> thanks Pat.
>>
>> --Sasha
>>
>
>  the directions.
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Re: false focus?

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> Looking at some of the photos, I just realized, they are wooden
> floors, with a noticable grain.

If you use PhotoME, it will show you which AF point(s) were in focus.
That could help you confirm what they were picking up.  (Of course, if
you focus-and-recompose, you're pretty much on your own.)

http://www.photome.de/

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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

 
> 
> > One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
> > Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
> 
> Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, 
> which is not  
> available for the Mac.
> 
> Thomas

There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already have
it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly which
are not available on Macs

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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Bob W wrote:

One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.


Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, which is not  
available for the Mac.


Thomas

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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

> Bob W wrote:
> > That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling 
> and testing various
> > settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe 
> it was that
> > bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my 
> computer. Bastard.
> >
> >   
> I think they have an informal bastards partnership...
> Wait. You bought a Dell?

I've had this Dell Precision M50 for 6-7 years, and it's been very good. I
think the hardware is starting to get a bit flakey now, though, so I've
started thinking about what to replace it with. One possibility is to buy a
small netbook to run Office and the Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to
run Lightroom.

Bob


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RE: Recent enablements

[Bob W]

I always liked them. I had them on my MXs and then on my LXs. I found them
very easy to use and completely trouble-free.

Bob


> 
> > (and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)
> Who doesn't?
> 
> You get used to them after a while.
> 
> Adam Maas wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, David 
> Mann wrote:
> >   
> >> On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>> And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
> >>> years ago.
> >>>   
> >> I could live without my LX but I don't think I could bear 
> to part with my
> >> last K2.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > The LX is a great camera but a little on the small side for 
> my tastes
> > (and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either 
> eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he 
> does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a 
> damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more 
> than a dog.
> 
>   --G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Igor Roshchin]

Sasha,

It's a lovely gallery with some shots that I enjoyed.
Thanks for sharing.

What's up with SF these days?! - It seems to be full of female hands
set in shop windows - first Godfrey's photo, now yours...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3780430140/in/set-72157621794306829/
It looks like a work of a serial photo-killer (cf. photo-rifle).
:-)

Regarding the CD, - I liked the samples that I heard on Amazon
although I was not taken by it to the extent of buying it immediately.
I thought you may like "Mingus" by Joni Mitchell:
http://www.amazon.com/Mingus-Joni-Mitchell/dp/B02GWV/

I see one song from it being available in full on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZeyIbcsuPE
(and possibly some others - in "related)

Igor


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Re: Recent enablements

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> (and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)
>
> Who doesn't?
>
> You get used to them after a while.
>

I never did. Frankly I'd rather load a Leica M than anything with the
magic needles. They're too damned fiddly and they slow down loading
even more than Leica's flap and cover setup.

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Re: Recent enablements

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas"

Subject: Re: Recent enablements




The LX is a great camera but a little on the small side for my tastes
(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)



That's the part about the LX I like the best. I took to the magic noodles 
right away.


William Robb 



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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[ann sanfedele]

Well now that you're on it, P.J.
ann



P. J. Alling wrote:


You mean it hasn't deteriorated already???

Boris Liberman wrote:


Well, I shall refrain from replying in tone as it is going to lead to
rapid deterioration of this thread.

;-)

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Cotty wrote:
 


On 2/8/09, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

   


Oh, shite.
  


Is that word kosher???




  








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Re: Ping

[P. J. Alling]

Bob W wrote:

That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my computer. Bastard.

  

I think they have an informal bastards partnership...
Wait. You bought a Dell?

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Re: Does K20 feed video signals to video output during LV?

[Tim Øsleby]

I don't think we are crazy. We just thinks a bit outside the box :-)

The Zigview S2 Standard was the unit I originally looked at. It looks
like a fine piece of equipment for the purpose.

But I have other "needs" to. And a combined Imagetank and an external
HD with lot of space is one of them.
I was doing some research on the options and came over the Vosonic
unit. Then it struck me that this unit could double as a
distance/angle view finder.  The idea of combining two ideas makes it
a lot easier to justify the money spent.

I haven't decided yet, and probably will not decide until springtime.

I have another use for the view finder too. Every year I use to help
out a local rock festival as a festival shooter. The finder plus a
monpod would enable me when i comes to making pictures of the crowd in
front of the stage. Give me another perspective. It is only my
imagination that sets the limits of the use.

--
MaritimTim

2009/8/2 Peter Zalabai :
> Thank you Tim! I tought I am the only crazy man on earth who comes up with
> such an idea! :) I was also looking for small tv screens to do this... :)
> But now I feel better that I am not the only crazy one :)
>
> You might give a try to the Zigview system as Zigview S2 might be a solution
> for you. But of course that one has it's limitations as well.
>
> Regards,
> .timber
>
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.
>> I think i could live with the bad quality for a while.
>> The idea is to hook it up with one of these
>> http://www.vosonic.com/product.php?PA=feature&kind=1&id_1=9
>> and use a cable release and a wide angle on tripod for some nest
>> photography next year. All I need is to see whats in frame.
>>
>> On the other hand: I might use the bad screen quality to talk myself
>> into buying a K-7 :-)
>> Time will tell.
>>
>> --
>> MaritimTim
>>
>> 2009/8/1 Peter Zalabai :
>>
>>>
>>> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>>>

 Title says whats needed to say.



>>>
>>> It does. Tried it already :) But quite bad quality.
>>>
>>> .t
>>>
>>

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Re: Recent enablements

[P. J. Alling]

(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)

Who doesn't?

You get used to them after a while.

Adam Maas wrote:

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, David Mann wrote:
  

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Adam Maas wrote:



And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
years ago.
  

I could live without my LX but I don't think I could bear to part with my
last K2.

Dave




The LX is a great camera but a little on the small side for my tastes
(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)

-Adam

  



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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[P. J. Alling]

You mean it hasn't deteriorated already???

Boris Liberman wrote:

Well, I shall refrain from replying in tone as it is going to lead to
rapid deterioration of this thread.

;-)

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Cotty wrote:
  

On 2/8/09, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:



Oh, shite.
  

Is that word kosher???



  



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Re: OT PESO: Johannes

[David Savage]

Thanks Christine, Dave, Bob S & Bob W.

Larry, given I was shooting at ISO 6400 I'm pretty confident in say I
think I would have got the best shot. So far none of the others who
were there have posted their version.

Derby, I didn't see that, but now that you mention it I can.

And here is one more of Mandy that I finished processing this evening (~210kb):



Cheers,

Dave

2009/7/30 David Savage :
> G'day All,
> 
>
> Direct link (~65kb)
>
> 
>
> I had been nursing my pint, looking at the light on that stage when
> Johannes (a very talented photographer BTW) wandered up there. This
> was the last of the 3 frames I shot before he moved on.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> PS for those who want to see the pretty girls, here is a slideshow of
> the shots I've processed so far:
>
> 
>

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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[John Sessoms]

From: Boris Liberman

Oh, shite. And I thought I was going to get a little rest from local
hot weather...

Well, at least, I don't need to bring any warm clothes, makes my
suitcase lighter  ;-) .


That weather report is from Washington STATE, not Washington, DC. It's 
unusually warm for Washington STATE, but I guess not so much for 
Washington, DC.


That's why Congress takes a months paid vacation in August.

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Re: PESO - Kaleidoscope Dreaming

[Jack Davis]

Tricky and cleverly done, Ann.

Jack

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: PESO - Kaleidoscope Dreaming
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 10:06 PM
> I'm listing a rather unusual
> kaleidoscope art piece on ebay tomorrow (er, um, not is is
> Sunday - so today)
> so in addition to photoing the outside extensively , I had
> fun peering through it with my camera... I took
> some with the pentax /canon combo but haven't gotten one I
> liked yet...
> 
> so this is, partdon me, with jsut my darkside stuff
> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2607384_N3Nso/1/607910189_pRpMt/Large
> 
> the kaleidoscope isn't symetrical, as you see... I put the
> camera up to one of the eye holes
> 
> kinda fun  and Ineeded some fun stuff today
> 
> ann
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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

27C is definitely cool! And yes, I am pretty clueless about  
geography of USA :-(.


Only someone living at the Mediterranean Sea can call 27 C cool. I  
live near the North Sea and call that a hot day.


Well, we get up to 31 C next week. I might be melted by the weekend.

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Re: Ping

[AlunFoto]

Dellicious Gates.
A true bastard.
Jostein

2009/8/2 Bob W :
> That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
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> bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my computer. Bastard.
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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Boris Liberman]

27C is definitely cool! And yes, I am pretty clueless about geography
of USA :-(.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Boris,
>
> Joe is talking about the STATE of Washington (North of California and
> Oregon), not Washington DC the nation's capital.  Here's a link to the
> 10 day weather forecast for Washington DC.   It looks 'cool' and a
> little wet! (27-30 degrees C)
>
> http://tiny.cc/cZccK
> or
> http://www.weather.com/weather/extended/USDC0001?par=yahoo&site=www.yahoo.com&promo=extendedforecast&cm_ven=Yahoo&cm_cat=www.yahoo.com&cm_pla=forecastpage&cm_ite=CityPage
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Ping

[Bob Sullivan]

Well at least it didn't go fruity...

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Re: GESO- two blocks away-more or less

[Bob Sullivan]

Bong,
Her death made the new here.  She was a courageous lady to take a
leadership position after her husband's murder.  I hope you will
continue to have brave and wise leaders.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:
> Former president Cory Aquino passed away Aug 1; she was the widow of
> Ninoy Aquino who was allegedly murdered by then dictator Marcos in
> 1983 and she was swept into power in the peaceful revolution back in
> 1986.  Anyway, two blocks away...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/sets/72157621912939858/
>
> ...a gallery in progress as the events unfold.  If you're familiar
> with Flickr, my photos are geotagged.  Her house is two blocks away
> from mine...
>
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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,

Joe is talking about the STATE of Washington (North of California and
Oregon), not Washington DC the nation's capital.  Here's a link to the
10 day weather forecast for Washington DC.   It looks 'cool' and a
little wet! (27-30 degrees C)

http://tiny.cc/cZccK
or
http://www.weather.com/weather/extended/USDC0001?par=yahoo&site=www.yahoo.com&promo=extendedforecast&cm_ven=Yahoo&cm_cat=www.yahoo.com&cm_pla=forecastpage&cm_ite=CityPage

Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Oh, shite. And I thought I was going to get a little rest from local
> hot weather...
>
> Well, at least, I don't need to bring any warm clothes, makes my
> suitcase lighter ;-).
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
>> New Yorkers: Today's Times says you miss your usual summer weather this
>> year. Well, that's because some SOB sent it here to us in the great
>> Northwest.
>>
>> Everett, WA measured highs for the past week:
>>
>> Current Conditions : 85.1F / 29.5C, Clear - 11:47 AM PDT Aug. 1
>>
>> Current Conditions : 83.7F / 28.7C, Clear - 2:28 PM PDT Jul. 31
>>
>> Current Conditions : 99.0F / 37.2C, Clear - 1:48 PM PDT Jul. 30
>>
>> Current Conditions : 108.0F / 42.2C, Clear - 3:19 PM PDT Jul. 29
>>
>> Current Conditions : 96.1F / 35.6C, Clear - 5:02 PM PDT Jul. 28
>> Current Conditions : 94.8F / 34.9C, Clear - 5:09 PM PDT Jul. 27
>>
>>
>> Joseph McAllister
>>
>> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
>> http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html
>>
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RE: Geso - San Francisco +

[Bob W]

The dancing girls are very easy on the eye, but this one is pure Kertesz:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3779630863/in/set-72157621794306829/

Bob



> 
> I feel so stupid!
> Here is the link:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157621794306829/
> thanks Pat.
> 
> --Sasha
> 

 the directions.


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Re: DPReview vs the DA* 55 1.4 SDM

[Jan van Wijk]

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:13:29 -0400 paul stenquist wrote:
>
>
> From among many Pentax purchases, both used and new, I've only had  
>serious problems with one item. My first DA* 16-50 couldn't achieve a  
>flat focus field. It was replaced by B&H. The second one was excellent.

I still have my first one, it has a minor problem in that it does not
focus perfectly to infinity at 16mm, otherwise it is great. I decided
to keep it as is. The problem is easy to work arround.
(and no problem at f/8 or so :-)

>When I first bought my 20D I noticed front focus problems with the FA  
>50/1.4, so I tested all my lenses and fine tuned the focus. Most  
>required slight adjustment. I haven't noticed any focus discrepancy  
>with the K7D, so I have yet to perform any tests. But I'll probably do  
>a bit of testing when I have time.

I had the K10D, before so no good way to correct.

Now with the K-7, I did a check for my faster/longer lenses
and was a bit shocked that the first try (with the FA 31mm)
needed the FULL -10 correction (end of scale).

Going through the rest, it got somewhat better, but many showed a quite 
noticable 
improvement in a brick-wall check after dialing in the measured correction.

So it certainly it is worth the time and effort (took me about half a day for 
all lenses).

Just FYI, these are te corrections I needed:

FA 31mm 1.8 -10
FA 43mm 1.9 -2
FA 50mm 1.4 -7
DA 70mm 2.4 -6
FA 77mm 1.8 0
FA 85mm 1.4 -5
FA 50mm 2.8 macro   -4
DFA 100mm 2.8 macro +2
FA 200mm 2.80
DA 300mm 4.0+5
FA 400mm 5.6+5

FA 28-105 PZ-4
FA 24-90-4
DA 16-50-7
DA 50-135   0


Front/Back focssing checked with a ruler-like A4 print 
under 45 degrees with a single bold line to focus on.


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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[Sasha Sobol]

I feel so stupid!
Here is the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157621794306829/
thanks Pat.

--Sasha

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:27 AM, gldnbearz wrote:
> Did I miss a GESO link?
>
> - Pat
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Sasha Sobol wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am about to torture you with yet another SF set.
>> There are three similar frames with  dancing girls - I should probably
>> leave only one, but I have a hard time deciding which.
>> By the way, I found music that pairs up perfectly with San Francsco -
>> It is "The Girl in Another Room" by Diana Krall (I mean the whole
>> disk).
>> If you love jazz and have not heard that - I urge you to listen.
>> You can listen to samples on amazon:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Other-Room-Diana-Krall/dp/B000148KK2
>>
>> Critiques and comments are very welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Sasha
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Re: Geso - San Francisco +

[gldnbearz]

Did I miss a GESO link?

- Pat

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Sasha Sobol wrote:
> Hello,
> I am about to torture you with yet another SF set.
> There are three similar frames with  dancing girls - I should probably
> leave only one, but I have a hard time deciding which.
> By the way, I found music that pairs up perfectly with San Francsco -
> It is "The Girl in Another Room" by Diana Krall (I mean the whole
> disk).
> If you love jazz and have not heard that - I urge you to listen.
> You can listen to samples on amazon:
> http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Other-Room-Diana-Krall/dp/B000148KK2
>
> Critiques and comments are very welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> --Sasha

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Re: Ping

[gldnbearz]

You rang?

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Bob W wrote:
> That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
> settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
> bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my computer. Bastard.

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Re: PESO -- After the Fall.

[Jack Davis]

Someone is pretty rough on their toys. 
Nice composition.

Jack

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, P. J. Alling  wrote:

> From: P. J. Alling 
> Subject: PESO -- After the Fall.
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 8:15 PM
> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20afterthefall.html
> 
> Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
> 
> Notes: B&W conversion using B&W+ Photoshop plugin
> with Magenta filter applied.
> 
> -- 
> 
> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with
> either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with
> gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he
> might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is
> not a free man any more than a dog.
> 
>     --G. K. Chesterton
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RE: GESO Construction V

[Bob W]

Good stuff, as usual. I worked on a building site in the summer of 1976 -
pouring concrete was my favourite job. Cleaning the cement mixer was not.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On 
> Behalf Of Christine Aguila
> Sent: 02 August 2009 02:45
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: GESO Construction V
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> Just 2 small galleries.  I've started a blog, which gives me 
> a central 
> location for this stuff, making my life a little easier.
> 
> I shot Friday, and I really struggled.  It was one of those 
> days where my 
> concentration and focus (mine not the camera's) was not the best.
> 
> Gallery from Friday's shoot.
> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/moldingcement/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> I shot this really small gallery maybe over a week ago.
> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/welding/
> 
> Comments/critique welcome.
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
> 
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Ping

[Bob W]

That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
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Re: my pocket dslr

[AlunFoto]

We're invited to a wedding next week-end. The K-7 and the FA 43 ltd.
is packed. I'll report back if I get around to play with it. :-)

Jostein

2009/8/2 Larry Colen :
> I went to an "all years" reunion for my high school at the local state
> park today. I put the 18-250 on the K20 and the DA40 on the K100, and
> slipped the K100 in my pocket.
>
> I never did get around to grabbing the K20 out of the car. I might
> have gotten a bit better quality on some of the shots, but the
> compactness of the K100 and the DA40 is amazing.
>
> It makes me curious about how the K7/DA40 combo is, and how many
> Pentax could sell if they marketed it right.
>
> --
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> the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good.
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Geso - San Francisco +

[Sasha Sobol]

Hello,
I am about to torture you with yet another SF set.
There are three similar frames with  dancing girls - I should probably
leave only one, but I have a hard time deciding which.
By the way, I found music that pairs up perfectly with San Francsco -
It is "The Girl in Another Room" by Diana Krall (I mean the whole
disk).
If you love jazz and have not heard that - I urge you to listen.
You can listen to samples on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Other-Room-Diana-Krall/dp/B000148KK2

Critiques and comments are very welcome.

Thanks,
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Re: Recent enablements

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, David Mann wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
>> years ago.
>
> I could live without my LX but I don't think I could bear to part with my
> last K2.
>
> Dave
>

The LX is a great camera but a little on the small side for my tastes
(and did I mention I hate those damned magic needles?)

-Adam

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Re: Recent enablements

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
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>
> I picked up a K2 myself a couple of weeks ago.  It's not perfect (the
> hotshoe doesn't work - but the X contact does - and the mirror lock up
> switch is jammed) but the meter and everything else looks OK.  Even the
> film speed dial can be made to move (but what was Pentax thinking with
> that design?).  I'm looking forward to trying it out but initial
> impressions are that I like my KX better.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>

I agree that the film speed dial is a little wierd, but I rather like
how the exposure compensation is setup. My copy is fully working other
than the battery check light, although it's got moderate brassing and
needed some new foam.

I'll probably add a KX at some point. Probably if/when I sell my FM2n.

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Re: Recent enablements

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>> A couple of recent developments (the introduction of the K-7 as well
>> as the Leitax conversion kits) have had me seriously rethinking my SLR
>> kit. So I've started selling off some of my Nikon stuff and have over
>> the past couple weeks picked up a Super-Takumar 35/3.5, SMC-M 28/2.8,
>> SMC-K 55/2 and a K2 body (to go with the ZX-M and S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4
>> I've had for a while).
>>
>> Looks like I'm coming back to Pentax permanently, at least for SLR
>> stuff. And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
>> years ago.
>
> Equipment is transitory. ;-)
>
> I could sell off all my SLRs and base my work exclusively on the
> Panasonic G1 and Olympus E-P1 at present. But I'd miss the L1 and E-1
> ... just like working with them.
>
> --
> Godfrey

I really do like working with the G1, but there's a few things it just
doesn't do as well as a good SLR, especially one with body IS.

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GESO- two blocks away-more or less

[Bong Manayon]

Former president Cory Aquino passed away Aug 1; she was the widow of
Ninoy Aquino who was allegedly murdered by then dictator Marcos in
1983 and she was swept into power in the peaceful revolution back in
1986.  Anyway, two blocks away...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/sets/72157621912939858/

...a gallery in progress as the events unfold.  If you're familiar
with Flickr, my photos are geotagged.  Her house is two blocks away
from mine...

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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Boris Liberman]

Well, I shall refrain from replying in tone as it is going to lead to
rapid deterioration of this thread.

;-)

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Cotty wrote:
> On 2/8/09, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Oh, shite.
>
> Is that word kosher???

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Re: Does K20 feed video signals to video output during LV?

[Peter Zalabai]

Thank you Tim! I tought I am the only crazy man on earth who comes up 
with such an idea! :) I was also looking for small tv screens to do 
this... :) But now I feel better that I am not the only crazy one :)


You might give a try to the Zigview system as Zigview S2 might be a 
solution for you. But of course that one has it's limitations as well.


Regards,
.timber

Tim Øsleby wrote:

Thank you.
I think i could live with the bad quality for a while.
The idea is to hook it up with one of these
http://www.vosonic.com/product.php?PA=feature&kind=1&id_1=9
and use a cable release and a wide angle on tripod for some nest
photography next year. All I need is to see whats in frame.

On the other hand: I might use the bad screen quality to talk myself
into buying a K-7 :-)
Time will tell.

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2009/8/1 Peter Zalabai :
  

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Title says whats needed to say.


  

It does. Tried it already :) But quite bad quality.

.t



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Re: Recent enablements

[Brian Walters]

On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:27 -0400, "Adam Maas"  wrote:
> A couple of recent developments (the introduction of the K-7 as well
> as the Leitax conversion kits) have had me seriously rethinking my SLR
> kit. So I've started selling off some of my Nikon stuff and have over
> the past couple weeks picked up a Super-Takumar 35/3.5, SMC-M 28/2.8,
> SMC-K 55/2 and a K2 body (to go with the ZX-M and S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4
> I've had for a while).
> 
> Looks like I'm coming back to Pentax permanently, at least for SLR
> stuff. And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
> years ago.



I picked up a K2 myself a couple of weeks ago.  It's not perfect (the
hotshoe doesn't work - but the X contact does - and the mirror lock up
switch is jammed) but the meter and everything else looks OK.  Even the
film speed dial can be made to move (but what was Pentax thinking with
that design?).  I'm looking forward to trying it out but initial
impressions are that I like my KX better.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: OT: Weather in NY

[Cotty]

On 2/8/09, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oh, shite.

Is that word kosher???



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Re: Arg. TEST

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On 1/8/09, Allison Viron, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I love my mac, but sometimes it just sucks to be different.

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Re: Recent enablements

[David Mann]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Adam Maas wrote:


And I'm rather liking the K2, I wish I'd tried one a couple
years ago.


I could live without my LX but I don't think I could bear to part with  
my last K2.


Dave


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Re: false focus?

[Larry Colen]

Looking at some of the photos, I just realized, they are wooden
floors, with a noticable grain.

I bet that is what triggered the focus.

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