Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the Pages tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to Shake Reduction Doesn't Work. I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in Panning it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a Point and Shoot design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Har ki dun trek photos
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:10 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/26/2009 2:54:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pdml.l...@gmail.com writes: What a beautiful place. Sigh. Some very nice shots there. Not going to tell you what to kick out and what to keep. One suggestion -- the people shots are often in bright light, so there is a great deal of contrast and faces and upper bodies are often too dark to see much detail (like the guys sitting down). So I'd post process them (more?) to bring up a little more detail in the shadows. Some very nice shots, Sasha. Looks like fun. thanks marnie. i do see what you mean. will try and see if i can bring up some details in the shadows. appreciate your comment. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Har ki dun trek photos
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Luiz Felipeluiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Very, very interesting photos - looks like your trip was really good. Make mine the Little Well Wisher, but the sunset at sankhri is impressive and the whole gallery makes me dream about getting on the road. Another great image is swargarohini peak... Very well done! thanks Luiz, appreciate it... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Birthday
John Sessoms wrote: From: mike wilson John Sessoms wrote: From: mike wilson John Sessoms wrote: From: Scott Loveless On 8/24/09, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Bob W wrote: It's my Leica M3's birthday today. 50 years old, and much more reliable than my M8, which will be lucky to survive infancy. For the M3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40K2S0-5Xo0 Oh, God! Get it out of my head! Most promising new group of 1981? Crashed and burned after three albums, I believe. Maybe it should have been Most promising new group of 1981 that has a Scottish, female lead singer who has done a bit of acting and who will eventually go on to be in Red Dwarf. Played the role of the computer? Kochanski. I don't know Kochanski from the few episodes that appeared on PBS before I lost my TV. Lister's love interest. An intermittent role. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the web: what are the 5 must go to photo sites each day ?
John Celio wrote: http://riotclitshave.livejournal.com/ I don't think even the site title would get past our filtering system. I'm certainly not going to try. It's a play on right-click save. Sometimes there are NSFW photos on that LJ, but the woman who posts there has pretty good taste. As far as I can tell, the filter just looks for letter combinations. So Trafalgar Sea Stories, for example, would not get through. Looking for biological stuff causes no end of problems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: very unusal K-7 promotional video
Sasha Sobol wrote: Deathmatch is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbGNATqdeocfeature=related Missed that one. I'm still not sure I've seen all of them. Seems to be St Petersburg - where the importer is based. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Sasha Sobolsa...@asobol.com wrote: This is cool! On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Sylwester Pietrzykp...@o2.pl wrote: There's a series of Russian K-7 promotional videos talking about it's use during weddings :-) BTW - funny ideas for very unusal wedding. I especially like scene with chickens :-D Just wait and click in one of the alternative stories at the end of normal wedding scene ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CvkDFUHbIfmt=22 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My K-7 WB weirdness continues
On Aug 27, 2009, at 19:50 , Joseph Tainter wrote: Boris wrote: I've posted two full PEFs on my web site. The time difference between them is like 5 mins. The light was coming from the window and the sun was fairly up in the sky for 7:10am or thereabouts. Initially, the little brain locked itself at something like uncorrected tungsten lighting. Then I played with WB settings some and returned all back to where it was. It took 3-4 mins. Then it started giving me these subtle yet annoying purple/magenta skin tones. - With every Pentax electronic camera I have owned, I have found that the electronics get confused after a little manipulation and cannot find their way back to the original readings. Changing the settings seems to be a one-way street, as far as automation goes. Usually hitting the green button makes everything work again. Does the green button reset the white balance in the K-7 I've had a string of several dozen photos taken outdoors in sun, PEFs, auto white balance, contain a few interspersed magenta cast images. But it's PEFs. Just go in and make the WB the same as the ones that look fine and it's fixed. Never trust a computer to make a decision for you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
peso - Brittany
I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: email from Katzeye was (Still no split-image screen for the K-7?)
Bummer, I am on their list for about a month already. And they do not send me such encouraging e-mails :( --Sasha On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Christine Aguilacagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Just received this message from Katzeye! Hi Christine! Thank you very much for your inquiry. Actually, there is a 100% chance of seeing a Katz Eye split screen for the Pentax K-7 in the not too distant future! We have completed our functional testing and we are currently working on final beta testing, documentation, web pages, etc. If all goes well, the new screens should be ready in the next few weeks. I will keep your email on file, and as soon as we have an official release date, I bill be sure to let you know. Thanks again for your interest in Katz Eye Optics products and if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Best regards, Rachael Katz Katz Eye Optics Tel. +1.413.743.2523 Fax +1.888.251.5477 http://www.katzeyeoptics.com/ www.katzeyeoptics.com - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Still no split-image screen for the K-7? I'm here to serve. I'll send another one tomorrow :-p -- MaritmTim 2009/8/26 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Still no split-image screen for the K-7? From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Why doesn't everyone drop an email to: customerserv...@katzeyeoptics.com enquiring about when they will be making one available for the k-7. Even if you don't really want one, it might get them to make one for those of us who do want one. Just sent an email off for you K7 owners. HTH Cheers, Christine Lets not do this all at once kids. Maybe stretch it out over a week or so William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: geso, texas trip preview
The lightning and stars shots are pretty remarkable... Boris Larry Colen wrote: I'm about to hit an insanely busy stretch at work, so I don't know when I'll be able to process all of my shots from last week's roadtrip. I did a quick run through, picking a few of the more promising ones, with quick editing for cropping and exposure. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157621080714733/ The kid on the horse is my nephew. Yes, he is listening to his iPod while practicing polocrosse (lacrosse on horseback). I have no idea what those birds are, they were on my sister's ranch in North Central Texas (Collinsville, near Sherman). The last six shots were taken at night. I envy Dave his D700. It was a full moon, so I can't really compare stars in North America vs. Oz. The rainbow shots were taken from the shoulder of I40 (Route 66) just east of Barstow. The brick wall shot was taken in downtown Austin. I may post a few PESOs as I go through the whole set over the next few weeks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eagle on Brian Walter's Travel Blog
Thanks, good reading and great photos! --Sasha On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful images, and a great blog. Dan On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christine Aguilacagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Brian has updated his travel blog, and there's a lovely picture of an eagle here--as well as other photos of interest. http://www.blognow.com.au/gowest/ Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the web: what are the 5 must go to photo sites each day ?
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Bran Everseeking wrote: I have never gotten into rss. seems a good way to keep up with PPG while avoiding that nasty flash interface. I use RSS to pick up a handful of news feeds. Really just aggregating the press-release aggregators from within my mail program. I can then quickly peruse the articles and update my website accordingly. There are three photo sites I visit daily: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-of-the-day http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/ If I have to make the list up to 5, well it wouldn't be PDML without cat photos. http://www.catoftheday.com/ http://icanhascheezburger.com/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha For me, colour. Quite striking. That's a very nice gallery too. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
I would vote for bw Toine 2009/8/28 Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
tough one. 51/49 in favor of color cheers ecke 2009/8/28 Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
All the Mazda advertising you see here is developed and produced by Americans for the American market. Doner Advertising in Southfield, Michigan and Irvine, California is their agency. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Although I don't think bizarre was a goal. It just ended up that way. They were meant to suggest a kind of youthful delight with a car that performs well. You see, you're illustrating my point, even though even I didn't really realize it. Basically, I think they need to hire some different people to figure out how to communicate with Americans. I can see how some of the subtle stuff they've done the last decade or so could play positively in Japan, but it's a washout here ... the average American doesn't catch subtlety, they're too full of American Idol and Lost and the god-awful mishmash of so-called reality shows. :-) Excuse my French, but if that's reality we are so totally fucked it'd probably be a blessing if the human race just ended now. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
BW. Simply better suited to her intense pose. Jack --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com Subject: peso - Brittany To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:54 AM I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the Pages tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to Shake Reduction Doesn't Work. I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in Panning it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a Point and Shoot design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: peso - Brittany
BW. The lighting appears mixed on the color shot. Pretty girl, nice pic. Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/ set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/ set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
No question: BW CW Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2330 - Release Date: 08/27/09 18:02:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mark Roberts spotted in Boston
Desjardins, Steve wrote: Geez, I thought he had a Triumph Tiger not a Panda . . . Pandas traditionally perform better in small, sand-covered courses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Gotta read my posts before I hit the send key! That should have said And personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:29 AM, paul stenquist wrote: Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the Pages tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to Shake Reduction Doesn't Work. I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in Panning it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a Point and Shoot design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
paul stenquist wrote: All the Mazda advertising you see here is developed and produced by Americans for the American market. Doner Advertising in Southfield, Michigan and Irvine, California is their agency. That apparently doesn't always translate into them knowing how to communicate their message to (car-geek) Americans. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Boris, You comment about auto focus being slow in Live View. You can set the K7 to use the standard autofocus detectors rather than Contrast AF. It removes the live view image for a split second, but it's a lot quicker than waiting for contrast AF to do it's thing. -- Leon 2009/8/27 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Naked Bust at the Met
Zach Hyman's model runs into a streak of bad luck: gets arrested for public lewdness. http://is.gd/2DUtR -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I have to agree with Paul on this one. The general advice in the photo world is to turn off SR/VR/IS when the camera is supported or when panning. In reality, I've almost always forget to turn it off, and haven't ever had an image degraded because of it. Now, I just leave it on and foget about it. If I were to have a problem I would shut it off. As with many things, I read the instructions and then do what works. GS On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:29 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the Pages tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to Shake Reduction Doesn't Work. I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in Panning it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a Point and Shoot design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or
BTW, I *am* back in Boston
Having spent almost three weeks on the road, bouncing between Pittsburgh and Rochester but spending most of my time painting and fixing the house in Pittsburgh to make it presentable for sale, I finally arrived back in Boston Yesterday. I put a lot of miles on my Triumph (aka The Red Menace) during that time and it performed brilliantly, gobbling up many miles of Interstate highway at very enthusiastic speeds. Spent Wednesday night in Philadelphia, courtesy of Rick Womer and family. They were wonderfully gracious hosts. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in October when Lisa and I visit for a meeting. Very little photography done in the past three weeks. Now I have to get to work on a print that's going into an exhibition shortly. Perhaps I can actually get out and take some new photos when that's done? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Color, but I can't give you a reason why, exactly. Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
No, it doesn't. On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: paul stenquist wrote: All the Mazda advertising you see here is developed and produced by Americans for the American market. Doner Advertising in Southfield, Michigan and Irvine, California is their agency. That apparently doesn't always translate into them knowing how to communicate their message to (car-geek) Americans. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Hi Sasha: BW--love the BW! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:54 AM Subject: peso - Brittany I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
More updates to Brian Walter's blog
Some great stuff here! http://www.blognow.com.au/gowest/ Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Thanks to everyone. Seems bw wins. --Sasha On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Christine Aguilacagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Sasha: BW--love the BW! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:54 AM Subject: peso - Brittany I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the web: what are the 5 must go to photo sites each day ?
In a message dated 8/28/2009 2:10:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dm...@bluemoon.net.nz writes: If I have to make the list up to 5, well it wouldn't be PDML without cat photos. http://www.catoftheday.com/ http://icanhascheezburger.com/ Cheers, Dave === You've got a little nasty streak, haven't you? Marnie aka Doe ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Modern-day Sisyphus
Originally posted May 21, 2009. Found it in the PDML Archives. From: Desjardins, Steve Great shot. I don't remember seeing it either. Maybe it's one of those quantum space-time causality paradoxes. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of eactiv...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:27 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Modern-day Sisyphus In a message dated 8/25/2009 6:22:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bori...@gmail.com writes: Thats quite hilarious, Frank. Boris frank theriault wrote: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/05/modern-day-sisyphus.html Comments welcome. cheers, frank == When was this originally posted? Didn't see original post. Nice one, frank. Great the way you got the slogan on his back and his position, at just the right moment. (Did frank scoot in and post it, or is it old?) Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Hello Sasha, For this one, I prefer the color version. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:54:21 AM, you wrote: SS I need your advice - color or bw? SS http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ SS http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ SS The full set (small): SS http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ SS Thanks, SS --Sasha SS -- SS PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List SS PDML@pdml.net SS http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net SS to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
From: Doug Franklin Paul Stenquist wrote: The Mazda 6 launch ran late last year. The zoom zoom kid appeared only in the first spot where the car drove into a stadium. It was a head scratcher. Someone told me later that it was meant to say there was a new player in the arena. The rest of the spots were largely running footage and laundry lists of features. As much as I like Mazda the company and the cars they produce, I can't remember a single Mazda commercial, ever. I remember seeing some, but not what was in them. As opposed to the Joe Isuzu series, which I'll never forget. I remember Joe Isuzu, but I don't remember anything from the commercials other than he was the quintessential lying car salesman. Don't know if Zoom Zoom will have as Iconic a status in 20 years as old Joe Isuzu. I'd have stayed with Mazda if they'd had a model comparable to the Focus Wagon, but the Mazda 5 just wouldn't do it. Would have meant a big sacrifice in gas mileage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'd have stayed with Mazda if they'd had a model comparable to the Focus Wagon, but the Mazda 5 just wouldn't do it. Would have meant a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Which is kinda ironic given that the Focus Wagon is long-discontinued in North America. The 5 door Mazda3 is closest thing to a Focus Wagon which can be bought today in the US. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
In a message dated 8/28/2009 12:55:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sa...@asobol.com writes: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha == Very nice. Well done. I prefer the color, because she has good coloring. (I'd clone out the scar on her arm, though. Especially if these are modeling shots for her portfolio. Otherwise, not a biggie.) Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Microsoft cannot Photoshop
From: Igor Roshchin No comments are needed: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10317763-56.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-20 or http://tinyurl.com/ms-poor-ps Tempest in a teapot. Tell me this ... WHICH HEAD was actually comped in? The black guy in the U.S. ad or the white guy in the East European ad? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Microsoft cannot Photoshop
In a message dated 8/28/2009 10:31:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes: Tempest in a teapot. Tell me this ... WHICH HEAD was actually comped in? The black guy in the U.S. ad or the white guy in the East European ad? = US ads have as many races as possible to appeal to as many demographics as possible -- so which do you think? Marnie ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
curing myself of Facebook
Just couldn't cope with it... email is my preferred method of communicating when a phone call is not possible (which is my FAVORITE type of communication) so for those of you who are on it, please don't invite me back - just don't want to do it ann as in ann sanfedele http://annsan.smugmug.com et al -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
lol ... I understand, Ann. FB is a bit hectic and has a ridiculous UI imo. I don't take it seriously. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Just couldn't cope with it... email is my preferred method of communicating when a phone call is not possible (which is my FAVORITE type of communication) so for those of you who are on it, please don't invite me back - just don't want to do it ann as in ann sanfedele http://annsan.smugmug.com et al -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Microsoft cannot Photoshop
John Sessoms wrote: From: Igor Roshchin No comments are needed: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10317763-56.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-20 or http://tinyurl.com/ms-poor-ps Tempest in a teapot. That's kind of what I thought. Would anyone have complained if Microsoft had simply shot different photos for the ad for the different countries in which it was intended to appear? I don't think so, though perhaps I'm wrong about that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
On 28/8/09, Sasha Sobol, discombobulated, unleashed: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ Black and white. Smidgen too much headroom. Excellent! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tangled up in blue
paul stenquist wrote: Thanks Marnie. I like them as well. I'm generally not fond of photos of other people's art. I find it dishonest in a way. But I couldn't pass these up. Paul When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9694749 Apologies to Bob. But this art always brings that lyric to mind. Paul Ahhh, I got carried away and looked at a few more (as I usually do) and found that very nice mouth on 'Podium Poser'. Intriguing... keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: curing myself of Facebook
Just couldn't cope with it... email is my preferred method of communicating when a phone call is not possible (which is my FAVORITE type of communication) so for those of you who are on it, please don't invite me back - just don't want to do it ann Well said. There are too many 'inboxes' to check already. Home email, work email. Landline and voicemail, mobile phone and voicemail, text messages, work phone and voicemail, letter box, snail mail at work, intray at work, real people in person (!), notes on the fridge door. I don't need any more. People keep trying to get me on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, instant messaging, more mobile phones. Aaargh! No. Sometimes I long for the days when you all there was was a letter, phone call or visit if you wanted to talk to someone. And bad luck if they were out. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BTW, I *am* back in Boston
2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Having spent almost three weeks on the road, bouncing between Pittsburgh and Rochester but spending most of my time painting and fixing the house in Pittsburgh to make it presentable for sale, I finally arrived back in Boston Yesterday. I put a lot of miles on my Triumph (aka The Red Menace) during that time and it performed brilliantly, gobbling up many miles of Interstate highway at very enthusiastic speeds. Spent Wednesday night in Philadelphia, courtesy of Rick Womer and family. They were wonderfully gracious hosts. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in October when Lisa and I visit for a meeting. Very little photography done in the past three weeks. Now I have to get to work on a print that's going into an exhibition shortly. Perhaps I can actually get out and take some new photos when that's done? Don't forget you also need to organise a Boston PDML gathering. Or were you trying to tell us you were too busy? :-) --M -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Naked Bust at the Met
Zach Hyman's model runs into a streak of bad luck: gets arrested for public lewdness. http://is.gd/2DUtR That's a great story - I love the guard's answer. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Jubilee coming up!
Read in foto magazine that Asahi Pentax will celebrate its 90th year in November. Any ideas about new suitable products in that time frame? A gold plated K-7 to win perhaps, or some silver models to purchase ;-) I expect they'll release the Pentax XC Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Photographers are terrorists
I'm catching up on irregular webcomic, which I feel is on a par with XKCD http://xkcd.com for both humor and geekiness. Though David Morgan-Mar does a much better job of explaining the science and math in the postscripts. Most of the episodes are photos of legos, but this one is a photo of himself: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2375.html The postscript however describes how he was searched on grounds of suspicious activity, potentially related to terrorism. I'll forgive him for being a Canonite since he is an optics engineer for Canon in Australia. http://www.flickr.com/people/dmmaus/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
I'm surprised nobody's commented on this yet. Or did I miss the thread? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09082705sonya850.asp It's basically the same as the A900, only 2fps slower and a slightly smaller VF (98% vs 100%). Will Canikon follow suit by releasing $2k FF cameras (or adjusting the prices of existing ones)? Anyone want to start hypothesising what it will mean for Pentax, if anything? Personally, I'm worried about Pentax in 2 years time, but a lot can happen until then. Cheers, --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Canon's announcement is tuesday. The 7D, 18MP and speed-oriented, not much cheaper than the 5DmII. not much else has leaked. Panasonic is also expected to have an announcement on tuesday, with the next Micro 4/3rds body (the GF1, a compact version with external EVF) and 2-3 m43 primes including the long-awaited 20/1.7. -Adam On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised nobody's commented on this yet. Or did I miss the thread? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09082705sonya850.asp It's basically the same as the A900, only 2fps slower and a slightly smaller VF (98% vs 100%). Will Canikon follow suit by releasing $2k FF cameras (or adjusting the prices of existing ones)? Anyone want to start hypothesising what it will mean for Pentax, if anything? Personally, I'm worried about Pentax in 2 years time, but a lot can happen until then. Cheers, --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Photographers are terrorists
How ridiculous. I'm catching up on irregular webcomic, which I feel is on a par with XKCD http://xkcd.com for both humor and geekiness. Though David Morgan-Mar does a much better job of explaining the science and math in the postscripts. Most of the episodes are photos of legos, but this one is a photo of himself: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2375.html The postscript however describes how he was searched on grounds of suspicious activity, potentially related to terrorism. I'll forgive him for being a Canonite since he is an optics engineer for Canon in Australia. http://www.flickr.com/people/dmmaus/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: photographing outdoor car shows
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 01:27:47PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'd have stayed with Mazda if they'd had a model comparable to the Focus Wagon, but the Mazda 5 just wouldn't do it. Would have meant a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Which is kinda ironic given that the Focus Wagon is long-discontinued in North America. The 5 door Mazda3 is closest thing to a Focus Wagon which can be bought today in the US. And the mazdaspeed 3, from all reports, kicks ass, takes names and hasn't seen a stick of gum in years. Quite possibly the best performance value on the market these days. For those not familiar with it, it's a small wagon/estate, with 230 horsepower and a fairly aggressivly tuned suspsension. http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/display2010Mazda3.action?vehicleCode=MS3directPath=ms3/home Oops, looks like it's up to 260hp. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photographers are terrorists
On Aug 28, 2009, at 14:01, Larry Colen wrote: I'm catching up on irregular webcomic, which I feel is on a par with XKCD http://xkcd.com for both humor and geekiness. Though David Morgan-Mar does a much better job of explaining the science and math in the postscripts. Most of the episodes are photos of legos, but this one is a photo of himself: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2375.html The postscript however describes how he was searched on grounds of suspicious activity, potentially related to terrorism. I'll forgive him for being a Canonite since he is an optics engineer for Canon in Australia. http://www.flickr.com/people/dmmaus/ Actually, apparently some photographers are more likely to be terrorists than others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McB9tsabPn0 Amusing and sad at the same time. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha BW The elbow seems to be less prevelant and distracting in BW. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More updates to Brian Walter's blog
Yes, pretty pictures... Bob S. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Christine Aguilacagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Some great stuff here! http://www.blognow.com.au/gowest/ Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Jubilee coming up!
Sorry Bertil, but Asahi Pentax did not make it to their 90th anniversary. On Aug 28, 2009, at 09:35 , Bertil Holmberg wrote: Read in foto magazine that Asahi Pentax will celebrate its 90th year in November. Any ideas about new suitable products in that time frame? A gold plated K-7 to win perhaps, or some silver models to purchase ;-) Regards, Bertil Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.” — Kevan Olesen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Miserere wrote: I'm surprised nobody's commented on this yet. Or did I miss the thread? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09082705sonya850.asp It's basically the same as the A900, only 2fps slower and a slightly smaller VF (98% vs 100%). Will Canikon follow suit by releasing $2k FF cameras (or adjusting the prices of existing ones)? Anyone want to start hypothesising what it will mean for Pentax, if anything? Personally, I'm worried about Pentax in 2 years time, but a lot can happen until then. In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
Heh! I don't exist on Facebook, and I've never have. Igor On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, ann sanfedeleannsan at nyc.rr.com wrote: Just couldn't cope with it... email is my preferred method of communicating when a phone call is not possible (which is my FAVORITE type of communication) so for those of you who are on it, please don't invite me back - just don't want to do it ann as in ann sanfedele http://annsan.smugmug.com et al -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
George Sinos wrote: I have to agree with Paul on this one. The general advice in the photo world is to turn off SR/VR/IS when the camera is supported or when panning. In reality, I've almost always forget to turn it off, and haven't ever had an image degraded because of it. Now, I just leave it on and foget about it. If I were to have a problem I would shut it off. As with many things, I read the instructions and then do what works. When I got the K10D, I read those warnings, and I went out and did some tests. SR helped even with the panning shots, and even with panning shots done from the monopod, so I leave it on all the time. I may cause issues in some situations, but not in the ones for which I use the camera. Since I mostly shoot race cars on track, something above 50% of my photos are panned. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
On Aug 28, 2009, at 16:09, Igor Roshchin wrote: Heh! I don't exist on Facebook, and I've never have. Counterpoint: I *do* exist there, and I love it. So there. :-) Having gone to an International school the last two years of high school, I've got friends scattered across the globe. It's great to stay in touch with them without having to throw together another hey, it's been a long time, how are you doing? email or letter. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
Facebook has its plusses and minuses, as do each of the social networking sites. I avoided it for years, but when I got dragged onto it, found that it was the defacto communications channel for the vast majority of my normal friends, especially the ones under 40. Most of the geeks and freaks are still over on Livejournal, but a lot of them are heading over to facebook. When I take pictures at an event, I'll post the few good ones on flickr, but I'll post the mass of them on facebook where folks can tag them for each other. About once a week I'll get an email from facebook that someone made one of my photos their profile picture. I have gotten to the point that I basically just ignore any of the stupid games and apps that go around facebook like STDs in a freshman dorm. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
II don't love Facebook, but I need it. For one, it keeps me in touch with groups of friends in several different cities. I also use it as a promotional tool, since a number of my clients are also on my friends list. And as an advertising professional, I have to keep up with the social networking venues. They've become important venues for marketing efforts. Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 16:09, Igor Roshchin wrote: Heh! I don't exist on Facebook, and I've never have. Counterpoint: I *do* exist there, and I love it. So there. :-) Having gone to an International school the last two years of high school, I've got friends scattered across the globe. It's great to stay in touch with them without having to throw together another hey, it's been a long time, how are you doing? email or letter. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Special on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
Atlex.com has a special on the above outstanding photo paper. Fifty sheets of 13 x 19 are going for $96.14 Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
paul stenquist wrote: II don't love Facebook, but I need it. For one, it keeps me in touch with groups of friends in several different cities. I also use it as a promotional tool, since a number of my clients are also on my friends list. And as an advertising professional, I have to keep up with the social networking venues. They've become important venues for marketing efforts. Paul That's really the only reason I got on it -- but it netted me nothing there. The people I care about most are happier with phone calls - I mean really close friends, my age... My PDML friends are _here_ my Scrabble friends are on the CGP list, and all of them have email It just got too cumbersome... the only time it was of any real use was when PDML was down and Dave and I were communicating with Doug there. What happened , too, was too many people wanted to be my friend who I never heard of or forgot I'd met lol anyway - I feel FREE ann On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 16:09, Igor Roshchin wrote: Heh! I don't exist on Facebook, and I've never have. Counterpoint: I *do* exist there, and I love it. So there. :-) Having gone to an International school the last two years of high school, I've got friends scattered across the globe. It's great to stay in touch with them without having to throw together another hey, it's been a long time, how are you doing? email or letter. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300 for their next flagship APS-C camera. And if they can't, then will they get enough financial ROI by selling them below $1k from launch? --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Little Paddington laneway festival
Christine Aguila wrote: Love it! http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_paddo/10.htm Fun! You know those big pillows are a great idea! http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_paddo/13.htm No doubt he made the ladies notice :-) http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_paddo/16.htm Love it as is--though I wonder what would happen if you lightened that shadows just a tad more to get the folks in shadow to pop more--not a lot more, just a tad more. Although it could be my monitor that's showing the shadows a bit dark. YMMV. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_paddo/17.htm Very sweet little gallery, Derby. Cheers, Christine Thanks Dave, Christine Tried my best on 17, but there isn't much shadow detail to bring out. Good suggestion though D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)
Decoder Ring, rightly lauded for their gorgeous Somersault soundtrack, have gone back to an all-instrumental outfit. Not that instrumental music quite accurately describes what they do. What an an epic set. All three bands boundary-riding the post-rock paddock. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_decoder/index.htm :( Realised last night one of my Epsons is ever so slightly out on the vertical alignment on the rangefinder. No matter, it should be easy to tweak. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photographers are terrorists
Larry Colen wrote: I'm catching up on irregular webcomic, which I feel is on a par with XKCD http://xkcd.com for both humor and geekiness. Though David Morgan-Mar does a much better job of explaining the science and math in the postscripts. Most of the episodes are photos of legos, but this one is a photo of himself: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2375.html The postscript however describes how he was searched on grounds of suspicious activity, potentially related to terrorism. I'll forgive him for being a Canonite since he is an optics engineer for Canon in Australia. http://www.flickr.com/people/dmmaus/ Amusing postscript. CISRA have done well nurturing RD in Australia. Went for a job there once. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Naked Bust at the Met
Bruce Walker wrote: Zach Hyman's model runs into a streak of bad luck: gets arrested for public lewdness. http://is.gd/2DUtR -bmw That's great. Even funnier, the NYP pixelates her bottom D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha BW. I would have pulled back slightly. The pose is a little awkward, so a bit less crop might have helped. Pretty set, though. The first shot is my favourite. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:03:48PM -0400, Miserere wrote: 2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300 for their next flagship APS-C camera. What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:55 PM, John Francisjo...@panix.com wrote: What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. I expect a K-7 based camera with a new sensor and processing in fall 2010 based on Pentax's track record for flagships. Before that will be an updated K-m body and hopefully a third body between the K-m and K-7. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:03:48PM -0400, Miserere wrote: 2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300 for their next flagship APS-C camera. You notice Olympus quaking in their boots asking people to buy 4/3rds kit? What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. 3 to 5 years of no upgrades just due to better sensors and faster image engine chips becoming available, if nothing else? This doesn't seem highly plausible, somehow. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. They're busy staking out small, tough, and good value as their chunk of the feature space. That's not consistent with a plan to compete on price, which would be crazy anyway. (You never compete on price as the little guy; you can compete on value, or features, but price is too dependent on volume.) Full frame isn't inherently an advantage. Up at the full frame end of things, lens costs dominate the opportunity cost of switching systems. Sony is trying hard to subsidize the body costs long enough to get people switched in system terms. I'm not expecting this to work quite how they plan. Switching systems only works if people are willing to give up their favourite existing lenses, or the body has some feature that they absolutely must have to do their job or make them happy. Those are both fairly rare conditions. The last thing standing I can think of is in-body anti-shake. Pentax is betting quite a bit on the unwillingness of people who've tried them to give up the DA Ltds., and to a lesser extent the DA* lenses. So far, though, combining that with good value in the bodies doesn't seem to be a bad bet. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Punting
Cotty wrote: I was going to label this OT, except that a few PDMLers met recently in Oxford to photograph, and ended up down by the river. As it happens I was there a couple of weeks ago to film our weather presenter learning how to punt. Proud of this one as it's all off the shoulder except the last shot. Nicely edited (not by me), runs about 5 mins http://www.seeingeye.tv/pages/punting.html Most relaxing to watch. Did you have to close off the river while stunt punting? D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:32:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: What happened , too, was too many people wanted to be my friend who I never heard of or forgot I'd met lol anyway - I feel FREE ann I tried Twitter for a while. But I felt I had very little to tweet about. And then I started acquiring new friends/followers I'd heard of. The whole idea is/was a bit strange to me. So I stopped. But, then, I'm just an old fuddy duddy. I actually like to meet people in real life. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: curing myself of Facebook
PS NEVER heard of Marnie - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
I agree. And the Pentax investment in lenses for APS-C suggests that they'll continue in that direction. My K7 and K20 do everything I want them to do, and I expect future offerings will be only better. Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Graydon wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:03:48PM -0400, Miserere wrote: 2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300 for their next flagship APS-C camera. You notice Olympus quaking in their boots asking people to buy 4/3rds kit? What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. 3 to 5 years of no upgrades just due to better sensors and faster image engine chips becoming available, if nothing else? This doesn't seem highly plausible, somehow. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. They're busy staking out small, tough, and good value as their chunk of the feature space. That's not consistent with a plan to compete on price, which would be crazy anyway. (You never compete on price as the little guy; you can compete on value, or features, but price is too dependent on volume.) Full frame isn't inherently an advantage. Up at the full frame end of things, lens costs dominate the opportunity cost of switching systems. Sony is trying hard to subsidize the body costs long enough to get people switched in system terms. I'm not expecting this to work quite how they plan. Switching systems only works if people are willing to give up their favourite existing lenses, or the body has some feature that they absolutely must have to do their job or make them happy. Those are both fairly rare conditions. The last thing standing I can think of is in-body anti-shake. Pentax is betting quite a bit on the unwillingness of people who've tried them to give up the DA Ltds., and to a lesser extent the DA* lenses. So far, though, combining that with good value in the bodies doesn't seem to be a bad bet. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)
Derby Chang wrote: Decoder Ring, rightly lauded for their gorgeous Somersault soundtrack, have gone back to an all-instrumental outfit. Not that instrumental music quite accurately describes what they do. What an an epic set. All three bands boundary-riding the post-rock paddock. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_08/09_08_decoder/index.htm :( Realised last night one of my Epsons is ever so slightly out on the vertical alignment on the rangefinder. No matter, it should be easy to tweak. I'm always a sucker for your concert work, Derby. #15 and #17 are just terrific! #4, #14, #22, #25, #26 also big faves. Lots of great shots there. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:12:31PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. 3 to 5 years of no upgrades just due to better sensors and faster image engine chips becoming available, if nothing else? This doesn't seem highly plausible, somehow. I expect a mid-life kicker (a K-7n?) in perhaps eighteen months. But that's likely to sell for not a lot more than the K-7, which by then will probably be selling a bit cheaper that it is today. I'd expect a new revision of the sensor, and several small tweaks, but not much else; much as I'd like it, I doubt if we'd see a faster shutter. Perhaps we'll see an improved grip with a live card socket, and even a wireless/bluetooth connectivity option. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. They're busy staking out small, tough, and good value as their chunk of the feature space. That's not consistent with a plan to compete on price, which would be crazy anyway. We pretty much agree, I think; I should have said price/performance (or, for those pedants among us, performance/price :-). But I see Pentax as more likely to do that by lowering the price for close to the current performance levels (although there is room for two models between the K-m and the K-7, at the $600-$700 and $900 price points). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
John Francis wrote: I expect a mid-life kicker (a K-7n?) in perhaps eighteen months. But that's likely to sell for not a lot more than the K-7, which by then will probably be selling a bit cheaper that it is today. Nothing with an APS-C sensor is ever likely to sell for much over $1000 by next year. Like it or not, the age of the semi-pro or advanced amateur DSLR with an APS-C sensor is drawing to a close. Whatever their official statements, I'm sure Pentax has been aware of this for some time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:14:07PM -0400, Mark Roberts scripsit: John Francis wrote: I expect a mid-life kicker (a K-7n?) in perhaps eighteen months. But that's likely to sell for not a lot more than the K-7, which by then will probably be selling a bit cheaper that it is today. Nothing with an APS-C sensor is ever likely to sell for much over $1000 by next year. Like it or not, the age of the semi-pro or advanced amateur DSLR with an APS-C sensor is drawing to a close. Why? Cost, battery life, lightness and compactness (of lenses as well as bodies), and, arguably, in-body shake reduction all argue for smaller sensors. Being able to do very precise things with depth of field, being able to make very large prints, not having to adapt mentally to altered fields of view, and what else argue for full frame sensors? (What's the minimum price for a printer able to do prints larger than 13x17, for that matter?) Most DSLR camera sales are APS-C; cost matters. The advanced amateur DSLRs with APS-C sensors don't generally lack pro-level utility due to the sensor; they lack it because either the company isn't after the pro market (Pentax, slightly different Olympus), or because the company wants to reserve the pro market for the inherently expensive full-frame bodies. (Canon, Nikon, Sony.) Sony's high end body prices are subsidized, it's not the natural price of components plus margin. That's not a game anybody can win, and most are going to have more sense than to try to play it. It's not clear just where the natural price is for a full frame body just now. It would be honestly strange if the historical trend throughout the film era toward smaller sizes of film and thus camera, on the one hand, and the digital constraint that smaller chips are cheaper to fab and not in a linear way, on the other hand, both wandered off whistling just at this moment in time. Or, for that matter, that the optimum chemical sensor size and the optimum digital sensor (price/performance/portability optimum) size turned out to be the same. Full-frame digital might turn out to be the eventual digital SLR default, but I don't think it's inherently obvious that this will be the case. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 09:46:51PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:12:31PM -0400, Graydon wrote: [snip] The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. They're busy staking out small, tough, and good value as their chunk of the feature space. That's not consistent with a plan to compete on price, which would be crazy anyway. We pretty much agree, I think; I should have said price/performance (or, for those pedants among us, performance/price :-). But I see Pentax as more likely to do that by lowering the price for close to the current performance levels (although there is room for two models between the K-m and the K-7, at the $600-$700 and $900 price points). The loss of face would be pretty drastic, and wouldn't do good things to market uptake, which they're apparently managing to generate a bit of. Option 1: They actually ship the 645D, for real and serious. It takes the place of the full frame body in the lineup. Option 2: 2010 sees the alleged Samsung full-frame sensor ship in a Pentax body. Option 3: K mount or other EVIL teeny camera, Pentax abandons the DSLR field. Option 4: K-5 APS-C camera based on the K-7 body; visually almost indistinct. K-5 has a 15 MP shaved silicon sensor/other not used in commercial sensors yet tech sensor and demonstrates vastly (x2) improved dynamic range, coupled with 2,500 raw exposures per batter charge. I figure the likelihood goes 4,1,2,3. (Assuming 1 and 2 are _different_.) But, heh, the entrails are hazy; don't blame me if what we get is an eight kilo brick of titanium and glass certified to a depth of 1,200 m in salt water for a year. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
FF Systems can achieve higher image quality despite using inferior average lenses. Lens cost can be less with FF systems because the lens doesn't have to be as good with a FF system as it does for a APS-C system for same or even better system image quality. Similar to the reason even a mediorce lens on the 8x10 format destroyed the very best lenses on the 35mm format. The larger the format, the lenses become less critical, not more critical to overall system performance. I don't know why some are confused about FF cameras, its all about image quality. The higher the better. This is why when 35mm cameras dominated there were MF, 4x5, 8x10 and even larger cameras in use. Image quality matters. APS digital is not the ultimage with anything better being overkill. Just from a cropping flexibility standpoint, higher image quality is better -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Graydon Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:03:48PM -0400, Miserere wrote: 2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer. Exactly, which makes me wonder if Pentax can justify asking $1,300 for their next flagship APS-C camera. You notice Olympus quaking in their boots asking people to buy 4/3rds kit? What next flagship? I don't expect anything better than the K-7 to show up for at least the next 3 to 5 years. Beyond that is too far away to be making any kind of predictions. 3 to 5 years of no upgrades just due to better sensors and faster image engine chips becoming available, if nothing else? This doesn't seem highly plausible, somehow. The next Pentax bodies will be sold on (low) price, not on features. They're busy staking out small, tough, and good value as their chunk of the feature space. That's not consistent with a plan to compete on price, which would be crazy anyway. (You never compete on price as the little guy; you can compete on value, or features, but price is too dependent on volume.) Full frame isn't inherently an advantage. Up at the full frame end of things, lens costs dominate the opportunity cost of switching systems. Sony is trying hard to subsidize the body costs long enough to get people switched in system terms. I'm not expecting this to work quite how they plan. Switching systems only works if people are willing to give up their favourite existing lenses, or the body has some feature that they absolutely must have to do their job or make them happy. Those are both fairly rare conditions. The last thing standing I can think of is in-body anti-shake. Pentax is betting quite a bit on the unwillingness of people who've tried them to give up the DA Ltds., and to a lesser extent the DA* lenses. So far, though, combining that with good value in the bodies doesn't seem to be a bad bet. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Brittany
Thanks to everyone. I think I am gonna keep both bw and color versions. I prefer bw, but yellow and blue are so nice... I am not great at retouching, so I will just give her what I got and she can clone/stamp it herself. I tried to retouch her face and I think I did it awfully bad. It looks so unnatural to me :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3865657818/ Thanks for pintingoutthe scar, the elbow and the little awkward pose (no pun here). --Sasha On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Derby Changder...@iinet.net.au wrote: Sasha Sobol wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864310112/in/set-72157622040375943/ The full set (small): http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622040375943/ Thanks, --Sasha BW. I would have pulled back slightly. The pose is a little awkward, so a bit less crop might have helped. Pretty set, though. The first shot is my favourite. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FA* 85mm f1.4 - Grab or pass ?
This is one of the sharpest lenses for digital or film for that matter. If the price is reasonable, get it. I will never part with mine. The bokeh is amazing tool. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Patrick Genovesepatrick.genovese...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , I have the opportunity to acquire a used FA 85 f1.4 but in Like new condition complete with original box manual packing etc How does it perform on the K10D/K20D or K7 ? ( currently own a K10D but will probably get the K7 soon) What would be a reasonable price to pay for it ? Regards Patrick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Reduce your Government Footprint -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's half way between Pittsburgh and Boston?
Timewise, I would say Port Jervis/Matamoras. We used to live in Pittsburgh and traveled to Boston all the time. It takes more time to go through the populated parts of the trip, i.e. NY, Connecticut and Mass. The PA part is a breeze by comparison, hence you are going to travel further for the same time in PA, hence distance wise you are better off getting as far east as possible on your way to Boston. Port Jervis/Matamoras looks like an interesting place too. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: I'm finishing up the work on the house in Pittsburgh (it gets officially listed for sale on Monday) and I'll probably be on the road for Boston on Wednesday. I'm thinking of splitting the trip into two days and I'm looking for somewhere interesting to stay approximately half way through the journet. I've considered New York City but I'm not entirely comfortable with taking the motorcycle through there. Any suggestions from the teeming millions of the PDML much appreciated. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Reduce your Government Footprint -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: John Francis wrote: I expect a mid-life kicker (a K-7n?) in perhaps eighteen months. But that's likely to sell for not a lot more than the K-7, which by then will probably be selling a bit cheaper that it is today. Nothing with an APS-C sensor is ever likely to sell for much over $1000 by next year. Like it or not, the age of the semi-pro or advanced amateur DSLR with an APS-C sensor is drawing to a close. Whatever their official statements, I'm sure Pentax has been aware of this for some time. I disagree. APS-C will be selling for similar prices to what it does now (all the way up to $2000) and will be differentiated over cheap FF the same way it is now (speed primarily) for the high-end market. The D300s will remain king of the APS-C hill. Most of the market never needed FF. It's got disadvantages as well as its well-known advantages. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: FF Systems can achieve higher image quality despite using inferior average lenses. Lens cost can be less with FF systems because the lens doesn't have to be as good with a FF system as it does for a APS-C system for same or even better system image quality. Similar to the reason even a mediorce lens on the 8x10 format destroyed the very best lenses on the 35mm format. The larger the format, the lenses become less critical, not more critical to overall system performance. Unfortunately while that's a nice theory it is not born out in practice. As a practical matter it's easier to make a lens with the necessary Zone A(Centre) and Zone B(APS-C edge) performance for APS-C than to make one which has the necessary Zone C(35mm edge) performance for even low-MP FF. High edge performance on a 35mm image circle is simply harder than high edge performance on APS-C and there's not enough difference in format size to get the same effect as LF. High-MP FF, which is becoming the norm, is absolutely brutal on lenses. You have to move up to MF Digital to get pixel densities low enough for lens quality to start dropping out of the equation. Pixel density is the deteminant for how much lens performance matters. And FF these days has pixel densities in the same range as APS-C (The Sony 24.5MP bodies have an 11MP APS-C crop mode for example), but further out in the image circle of the lens. The A850 shares the A900's sensor as well as it's tendency to show the warts of lenses that performed well on APS-C cameras and on film cameras. These cameras, along with the 21MP Canons, obsolete all but the absolute highest-performing lenses if you want acceptable IQ from them. I don't know why some are confused about FF cameras, its all about image quality. The higher the better. This is why when 35mm cameras dominated there were MF, 4x5, 8x10 and even larger cameras in use. Image quality matters. APS digital is not the ultimage with anything better being overkill. Just from a cropping flexibility standpoint, higher image quality is better -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) APS-C is the same idea as 35mm was back in the day. The best combination of IQ, size and cost for most of the market. Cheap FF is a boon for those who need the absolute most IQ and are on a limited budget since they can spend more on the lenses they need, but for those who need better balanced performance APS-C remains the current sweet-spot. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso - one for Ralf :-)
Again - from Roosevelt Island http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i3HHm/1/633193442_Aakk9/Large http://tinyurl.com/lgpnnv ann http://annsan.smugmug.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
