peso: sudden stop
Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Runde at wintertime
2010/4/15 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Tim, I believe that lack of food does not affect one's height, it rather affects one's diameter ;-). Ah, but on a scheme like that even your voice grows thin. J. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K-x may be appearing in our mailbox soon . . .
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Thanks (I guess) for the recent and previous discussions of the K-x. I am about to buy one for my wife, sight unseen, and am trusting that it will suit her. Long ago and far away when we first met she was using a Spotmatic. I was using an ME-Super, convinced her to change so we could share lenses. As I moved sporadically through a few generations of Pentax SLRs and DSLRs, she gravitated toward PS cameras which is a shame because she has a great eye for an image. My father-in-law passed away two weeks ago. My condolences. I hope that his passing was as timely and as easy as possible on all concerned. During the last few months, one of the few things that caught his interest was playing with his Nikon D50 or looking at the photos Meg took with that camera. The Hassleblad gear went to Meg's brother, the Leica gear to her sister, and I convinced her to let the Nikon digital also go to her sister. If you buy a Pentax, which is a better camera, you can use some of my lenses. And it comes in pink! I think we'll be ordering a black one soon from BH. They come in black too? Hopefully it proves to be as suitable to her hand as the D50 was. The alternative was for me to buy a K-7 and pass a K20 on to her, but from all that you have said, the K-x smalle r size will be much appreciated and may make the difference as to whether she actually uses it to any degree. I just hope that you don't find it so nice yourself that she never gets a chance to use it. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
Clever
On 4/15/2010 2:35 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/
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Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Brass Penny
Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html
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RE: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm Those blubber-lovin' bastards deliberately arranged that volcano and the wind pattern to punish us for calling their debts in! Bjöb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
On 15/4/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Those blubber-lovin' bastards deliberately arranged that volcano and the wind pattern to punish us for calling their debts in! Bjöb Lend us a tenner. -- Cheers, Cotty Cöttyson ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kayaking the Thumb | Ubersuper
On 14/4/10, Roman Melihhov, discombobulated, unleashed: http://ubersuper.com/kayaking-the-thumb/ ^^^ About the most fascination landscape captures I'd seen. Hope you have other bits to out-beat this! Very interesting, thanks for posting. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
More than 10,000 passengers in Norway are already affected. Looks like all regular airline traffic is suspended. 2010/4/15 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM in Cold Weather
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Haven't heard any Meadowlarks in mine..yet, but if I notice Squeaky the cat showing a keen interest in it, I'll know the reason why. 8-( Have we seen a photo of Squeaky? There's been a bit of a kitty drought on PDML lately... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Chaffinch
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Roses from me, it's a nice photo. The song of the chaffinch is one of the great sounds of a hot summers day. That statement, coming from NZ, sort of troubles me... In my part of the country we tend to get it hot dry. Hot to me is around 30C. This past week has been unseasonably warm but I just know the cold stuff is on its way :( And the roses are still in bloom, I had a brief walk through our botanical gardens at lunch time today :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Chaffinch
2010/4/15 David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz: On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Roses from me, it's a nice photo. The song of the chaffinch is one of the great sounds of a hot summers day. That statement, coming from NZ, sort of troubles me... In my part of the country we tend to get it hot dry. Hot to me is around 30C. This past week has been unseasonably warm but I just know the cold stuff is on its way :( And the roses are still in bloom, I had a brief walk through our botanical gardens at lunch time today :) I was more concerned about the birdsong, actually... -Assuming that the roses don't proliferate in the wild... Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or, better yet, the FA* 400/2.8 (or F*?), I can't justify the cost for the amount I'd use it. I'd like to have the FA* 300/2.8, but the same logic applies. I don't think Pentax made a 400/2.8 with AF. I don't think I'd want one due to the weight and super narrow DOF. I really must use my FA400/5.6 more (same goes for all of my lenses, really). I wouldn't mind an 80-200 f/2.8 myself. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
On entering the PoD caste
Okay, silly pun... but you guys know me well enough to ignore this streak in my character I hope. :-) A while back I asked what you perceived as a reasonable price for a Print on Demand (PoD) photo book of a certain size (30cm square, 58 pages). Your answers were all over the scale, really; ranging from GBP 20 to NOK 900, which should be something like USD 30 and USD 150 respectively. Today I took delivery of a PoD book from CeWe. The Norwegian operation is through www.japanphoto.no; the EU website is here: http://www.cewe-photobook.com/ The cost was in the high end of your suggested range; NOK 700 (USD 120), and the result has really got me thinking. The paper quality and book-binding craftsmanship looks very decent, no complaints there. The pictures however didn't come out as I expected them. It's not all bad, however, some look better some look a lot worse. I will have to study the book together with my images when I get home from work tonight to see exactly what's happened. I suspect I've dived into most available pitfalls concerning image preparations for books, and expect to learn a lot. What I really wonder about, though, is how to discern my own mistakes from eventual poor quality from the lab. And that's what I need to know if I am to look for another PoD. Blurb is certainly an alternative, but due to some exceptionally silly VAT rules up here in the Frostpit, I will have to pay a 25% surcharge on my own book if I order more than one at a time from abroad. That, unfortunately, brings the total cost from Blurb on par with CeWe. But enough bitching. There's something really, really special about holding a printed book with ones own pictures inside. Flip through the pages, smell the pigments, the glue, the very pulp... It's elating enough to compensate for all of the above. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or, better yet, the FA* 400/2.8 (or F*?), I can't justify the cost for the amount I'd use it. I'd like to have the FA* 300/2.8, but the same logic applies. I don't think Pentax made a 400/2.8 with AF. I don't think I'd want one due to the weight and super narrow DOF. I really must use my FA400/5.6 more (same goes for all of my lenses, really). I wouldn't mind an 80-200 f/2.8 myself. Back of the queue, please. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESOs - Film is king, the king is dead
Graydon gray...@marost.ca wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 02:32:30PM +0100, mike wilson scripsit: [snip] http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.jpg Does that thing has a screen in a rotary switch of some kind? LCD display. Similar layout on the MZ-S. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_MZ-ZX/mzzxS.html You know you could have just posted a link to the MZ-D URL. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html ??? Graydon was asking what the screen was, shown in the rotary switch of the D. I pointed out that it was an LCD display and referred to a URL for the MZ-S that had a clearer view of a similar feature. That's a very interesting design choice, I must say. And I can even see how it would be useful, but the idea of wanting to do that in the first place makes my head hurt. But thanks for the clearer view! Just to be clear: the bezel (ring around the outside) rotates and changes the parameter(s) shown in the display. The display remains orientated in the way you would expect to be able to read it from behind the camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:06 AM, David Mann wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or, better yet, the FA* 400/2.8 (or F*?), I can't justify the cost for the amount I'd use it. I'd like to have the FA* 300/2.8, but the same logic applies. I don't think Pentax made a 400/2.8 with AF. I don't think I'd want one due to the weight and super narrow DOF. I really must use my FA400/5.6 more (same goes for all of my lenses, really). I wouldn't mind an 80-200 f/2.8 myself. I don't think I'd trade my 60-250/4 for the 80-200. The extra 50mm on the long end is frequently used as are those 20mm on the short end, and I doubt I'd be shooting wide open very long. DOF is plenty narrow at f4 for all practical purposes and long lenses aren't well suited to low light. What's more, the lens's best aperture at focal lengths up to about 150 is f4, and at 250 mm, f5.6 is optimum. That rocks. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Brass Penny
Ha!
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:30 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html
Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6
Note: The problem with letting the camera pick the plane of focus is it's
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Re: peso: sudden stop
Crying for more depth of field... On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
The story made the headlines here (USA) on Yahoo. The King Queen of Norway are looking for alternate transport to travel to Denmark for her 70th birthday. I hope it blows over soon. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:17 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: More than 10,000 passengers in Norway are already affected. Looks like all regular airline traffic is suspended. 2010/4/15 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
On 2010-04-15 5:06, David Mann wrote: I don't think Pentax made a 400/2.8 with AF. You're probably right, Dave. The Pentax long glass has been out of my price range for so long that I've forgotten most of what they have. :-) I wouldn't mind an 80-200 f/2.8 myself. Me, too. That darned cost-benefit analysis gets in the way there, too. For the prices of the 80-200/2.8 or 300/2.8, I could buy a pretty decent used car. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
Larry, my Grandparents used to live on Sudden St. We kids loved it because there was a park and playground across the street with a very tall slide and a really nice hill to roll down. Sadly, the house is still there but they are gone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
Must be near the corner of Wheel Brake. Jack --- On Wed, 4/14/10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 11:35 PM Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Brass Penny
At least an anachronism, in this case. Very much like the combination of the
bike and tree. Too bad not isolated.
Jack
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From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Brass Penny
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Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 1:30 AM
Somehow a plastic bike helmet just
seems so wrong.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html
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Note: The problem with letting the camera pick the
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Re: SDM in Cold Weather
I'll tell her that her public is calling and see what I can arrange. (She's very temperamental). ;-) Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: From: David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz Subject: Re: SDM in Cold Weather To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 2:09 AM On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Haven't heard any Meadowlarks in mine..yet, but if I notice Squeaky the cat showing a keen interest in it, I'll know the reason why. 8-( Have we seen a photo of Squeaky? There's been a bit of a kitty drought on PDML lately... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:29 -0400, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so we're all having fun with the inexpensive little Pentax that has this annoying habit of producing fine images. Why is that? Is the sensor and electronics that much better? I'm just curious. It's been a while since one of the low end cameras caused such a fuss. (The colors have been an amusing touch as well.) -- Steve Desjardins -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
OMG. That must be a little TV set above the LCD screen. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:29 -0400, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so we're all having fun with the inexpensive little Pentax that has this annoying habit of producing fine images. Why is that? Is the sensor and electronics that much better? I'm just curious. It's been a while since one of the low end cameras caused such a fuss. (The colors have been an amusing touch as well.) -- Steve Desjardins -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
- Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: What's up with the K-x? What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Thats rather unbelievable. I suppose that they are doing their reviews without actually getting a camera to look at. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
Buttheads...
On 4/15/2010 9:05 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
What's wrong with it?
Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one.
At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that
reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be
wrong. Could they?
See this link:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg
Cheers
Brian
++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:29 -0400, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ok, so we're all having fun with the inexpensive little Pentax that
has this annoying habit of producing fine images. Why is that? Is
the sensor and electronics that much better? I'm just curious. It's
been a while since one of the low end cameras caused such a fuss.
(The colors have been an amusing touch as well.)
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Re: What's up with the K-x?
On 4/15/2010 9:14 AM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Brian Walters
Subject: Re: What's up with the K-x?
What's wrong with it?
Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one.
At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that
reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be
wrong. Could they?
See this link:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg
Thats rather unbelievable.
I suppose that they are doing their reviews without actually getting a
camera to look at.
William Robb
Well if it's good enough tor Kennyboy, it's good enough for them.
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Re: PESO - Curtains Up
2010/4/14 Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com: Pentax K-x, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro ISO 400, 1/200 sec @ f/8, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto-00012-1.htm Sweet. Keep 'em comin' and I'll hate you =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
It's the Kennyboy syndrome. Being spread by rats? Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What's up with the K-x? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:14 AM - Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: What's up with the K-x? What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Thats rather unbelievable. I suppose that they are doing their reviews without actually getting a camera to look at. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Must be near the corner of Wheel Brake. And the local undertaker's sign reads Sudden Death? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Looks like copypaste debris... probably a caption left from a previous review. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:35, Larry Colen wrote: Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ Funny! I would like to see a little more something above the top of that sign, though (if one were looking for suggestions) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ultra-wide zooms
ultra wide primes require many more elements than primes do and the results is more flare they will never match a prime because even primes need too many elements for high performance flare performance. what is being sold doesnt prove anything other than market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides. what about the 15mm DA lens?? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms LOL, That may have been true 5 years ago, but it simply isn't now. Current state of the art in lenses wider than 21mm for SLR mounts are all zooms. There are no APS-C or 35mm format SLR primes which exceed the performance of zooms like the Nikkor 14-24/2.8, Zeiss ZA 16-35/2.8 or either of the 7-14/4'sfrom Oly/Panasonic at focal lengths wider than 21mm (And the only reason why 21mm matters is the Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon. which simply dominates the UW prime world for performance). Current coating technology has greatly reduced the issue of increased element count (note the Zeiss 21 has an element count which is only slightly lower than the equivalent zooms) and the increased element count allows correction of distortion and removal of edge performance issues which plague even the best older UW primes. Most basic wide primes at best match the performance of today's high-end wide zooms, there have been very few new-design wide primes introduced in the last 20 years while zoom performance has increased massively and most zooms in this range are new designs form the last few years. The real downside for us is that none of the best zoom options are available in K mount. But a zoom like the DA 12-24/4 or the Sigma 10-20 (in either form) will match or exceed the performance of almost all the primes in the same range available in K mount (yes, even the legendary 15/3.5's) on APS-C. Once again, the Zeiss 21 being the exception (it is available in the ZK line) but on APS-C it's advantages show a lot less than on 35mm. -Adam On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:38 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: High performance ultra wide zooms (UW) dont really exist. Go with a UW prime and even that wont match basic wide primes. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Parsons Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms There are two common crops for dSLRs as compared to FF SLR, 1.5 (Nikon and Pentax) and 1.6 (Canon). Canon has a 1.3 crop on some of their pro bodies. PS sensors are a whole other barrel of fish and there are many sizes, but they don't correlate because the lenses are not interchangeable. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Bong Manayon wrote: Thinking of ... 1. Pentax DA 12-24 2. Sigma 10-20 3. Tamron 10-24 Am not into fish-eyes so those options are out. Any votes for or against any of those listed above? Thanks! Bong I don't think those focal lengths are 35mm-equivalent numbers. I suspect they're double ~ such as the Pentax DA 12-24 is really like a 35mm lens of 24-48mm focal length. Nice wide angle-to-normal lens, but hardly a fish-eye... First, the conversion factor for angle of view is 1.5. Was Bong talking about a specific camera? I know we were talking digitals, but, I thought each camera had it's own conversion camera. In my limited experience, which does NOT include DSLRs, most cameras differ a little as to what their 35mm equivalent is. I avoid the uncertainty by referring to the owner's manual for each camera. They always mention it... So the 12-24 has the same _angle of view_ on an APS-C DSLR as an 18-36 would have on a conventional 35 mm frame. Cropping factor, or what I call the telephoto effect, brought on by the size of the sensor. In other words, the ratio derives from how much smaller the DSLR's sensor is compared to 35mm film size. See: http://www.minasi.com/photos/dslrmag/ However, the focal length is 12-24. That doesn't change, regardless of the format. Furthermore, it's not a fisheye on any format. It's a rectilinear lens. In other words, the optics make the verticals as true as possible given the size of the elements and the constraints of physical science. Paul Quite so. Thanks Paul. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
J.C. O'Connell wrote: ultra wide primes sure you meant 'zooms' here require many more elements than primes do and the results is more flare they will never match a prime because even primes need too many elements for high performance flare performance. That's good theory, contradicted by facts. what is being sold doesn't prove anything other than market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides. In theory they could, but in practice they don't. what about the 15mm DA lens?? Nice lens, outperformed by the DA 12-24. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
You're clearly not up on the latest developments in lens design. Comparing the best UW prime on the market (The Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon T* in ZK, ZE or ZF mounts) and the best UW zoom on the market, the Nikkor 14-24mm f2.8 G, the zoom has less elements (14 elements in 11 groups for the Nikkor, 16 elements in 13 groups for the Zeiss), although the zoom makes heavy use of exotic glass to achieve this (2 ED elements, 3 aspherical elements, 1 nano-crystal coated element, the latter is unique to Nikon and seriously reduces flare). The Zeiss 21 actually does outperform the Nikkor at 21mm, but only by a small amount (and the zoom has superior flare performance despite its massive front element) and the Zeiss outperforms similar primes by a much larger margin than it does the zoom. Note that the Zeiss 21 is one of the very few truly modern wide prime designs (a 2009 update of a design from 1994), aside from the Pentax DA's, the only other new wide primes are the current set of 14's (Canon's 14LII, the Nikkor 14/2.8D which is the oldest at ~2001 and the brand new Samyang 14/2.8) and Sigma's massive f1.8's (which are good, fast but not exceptional). Simply put, modern molded aspherics, use of low-dispersion elements and other radical tech like Nikon's Nano-crystal coating has functionally removed the advantages of prime designs for wide-angle lenses unless you are trying to make a lens faster than f2.8. The requirements of a retrofocus design simply grow to a point where the requirements for a zoom are irrelevant to anything except size. Making a world class UW requires a very high element count, prime or zoom. Modern digital cameras are simply too demanding for edge performance, particularly high-MP FF cameras. As to the DA 15/4 Limited, it's actually slightly inferior in performance to the DA 14/2.8, and the latter is pretty much identical in performance to the 12-24/4 aside from the extra stop (and the DA 14 is the best performing 14 on APS-C). -Adam On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: ultra wide primes require many more elements than primes do and the results is more flare they will never match a prime because even primes need too many elements for high performance flare performance. what is being sold doesn’t prove anything other than market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides. what about the 15mm DA lens?? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms LOL, That may have been true 5 years ago, but it simply isn't now. Current state of the art in lenses wider than 21mm for SLR mounts are all zooms. There are no APS-C or 35mm format SLR primes which exceed the performance of zooms like the Nikkor 14-24/2.8, Zeiss ZA 16-35/2.8 or either of the 7-14/4'sfrom Oly/Panasonic at focal lengths wider than 21mm (And the only reason why 21mm matters is the Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon. which simply dominates the UW prime world for performance). Current coating technology has greatly reduced the issue of increased element count (note the Zeiss 21 has an element count which is only slightly lower than the equivalent zooms) and the increased element count allows correction of distortion and removal of edge performance issues which plague even the best older UW primes. Most basic wide primes at best match the performance of today's high-end wide zooms, there have been very few new-design wide primes introduced in the last 20 years while zoom performance has increased massively and most zooms in this range are new designs form the last few years. The real downside for us is that none of the best zoom options are available in K mount. But a zoom like the DA 12-24/4 or the Sigma 10-20 (in either form) will match or exceed the performance of almost all the primes in the same range available in K mount (yes, even the legendary 15/3.5's) on APS-C. Once again, the Zeiss 21 being the exception (it is available in the ZK line) but on APS-C it's advantages show a lot less than on 35mm. -Adam On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:38 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: High performance ultra wide zooms (UW) don’t really exist. Go with a UW prime and even that wont match basic wide primes. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Parsons Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms There are two
Re: A K-x may be appearing in our mailbox soon . . .
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Thanks (I guess) for the recent and previous discussions of the K-x. I am about to buy one for my wife, sight unseen, and am trusting that it will suit her. Long ago and far away when we first met she was using a Spotmatic. I was using an ME-Super, convinced her to change so we could share lenses. As I moved sporadically through a few generations of Pentax SLRs and DSLRs, she gravitated toward PS cameras which is a shame because she has a great eye for an image. My father-in-law passed away two weeks ago. During the last few months, one of the few things that caught his interest was playing with his Nikon D50 or looking at the photos Meg took with that camera. The Hassleblad gear went to Meg's brother, the Leica gear to her sister, and I convinced her to let the Nikon digital also go to her sister. If you buy a Pentax, which is a better camera, you can use some of my lenses. And it comes in pink! I think we'll be ordering a black one soon from BH. Hopefully it proves to be as suitable to her hand as the D50 was. The alternative was for me to buy a K-7 and pass a K20 on to her, but from all that you have said, the K-x smaller size will be much appreciated and may make the difference as to whether she actually uses it to any degree. stan Having used both the D50 (now passed on to my Girlfriend) and the K-x, the latter is much nicer to work with. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Brass Penny
Great Photo.
be seeing you . . .
Dan
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:30 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html
Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6
Note: The problem with letting the camera pick the plane of focus is it's
not often the one you prefer.
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Re: peso: sudden stop
Wonderful. Nice grab! Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM in Cold Weather
In the Automotive industry its sometimes referred to as an assometer. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: SDM in Cold Weather 2010/4/14 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: OH, don't say that, ecke! ;) Again! Yeah it is my 2nd lens plus repaired once. These things seem to happen. As long as it is under warranty I'm OK with it. I think you may be referring to what my brother calls drag ass drivers.? I'm not sure what that means but we have a colloquial term in German Popometer which translates to buttmeter (or perhaps buttmeasure). For example, my car has this engine shake in idle when running on LPG that is not there on 95 Octane. It's there since Subaru replaced the engine under warranty at 43810 km. Also, the pedals vibrate. It's there, it's annoying and my buttmeter picks it up because I drive that bucket every day. People at garages don't detect it for lack of reference. I guess I will have to live with it. Does that example make it clear? Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Graydon gray...@marost.ca Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There don't seem to be nearly as many long glass shooters on the PDML as there used to be (I know /you're/ there, John Francis :-) ). Pentax no longer sells anything longer than 300, and while I have both 500 and 800 mm mirror lenses, it's going to be quite awhile until I can contemplate hunting down an A* 400/2.8. I think I've seen the 600 FA advertised new in Japan - special order. The FA100 is still remarkably good for inside birds. -- Graydon . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM in Cold Weather
2010/4/15 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: In the Automotive industry its sometimes referred to as an assometer. That's what I meant. So my SDM is slower by an assometer margin - can that be said AND understood? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso: sudden stop
On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:35, Larry Colen wrote: Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ Funny! Thanks Charles, and to everyone else who commented. I would like to see a little more something above the top of that sign, though (if one were looking for suggestions) I may have to go back sometime, when I'm not running late. but for a bit more above the sign there are two in that set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522186813/in/set-72157623858549452/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522820422/in/set-72157623858549452/ -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
As an (important?) aside, I recently bought the Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 (used) and read that it WILL cover a full 35mm frame down to 13mm. I plan on trying this myself with my Z-1p. I'm sure the corners will suffer, but WOW... a 13mm rectilinear focal length with no field-of-view crop? If true, it is amazing that they don't promote this. Lesson: Don't ASSUME your lenses designed for APS-C won't cover the full 35mm. They just may not do it over the whole zoom range. The equivalence is more of a shorthand for photographers who were accustomed to how 35mm focal lengths worked, and it has really outlived it's utility. Well a focal length is a focal length is a focal length but if you are an old school 35mm film shooter then a particular lens focal length translates in your mind to a particular field-of-view. When you crop that you haven't changed the effect of the focal length (think: squashed depth with a particular telephoto focal length, for example) but you HAVE changed the field-of-view. For a radical example illustrating this principle, put a F 17-28mm fisheye zoom on a Pentax DSLR. You've still got the fisheye distortion you associate with ultrawide, but you are cropping the center out of the field-of-view (an effective 25-42mm with fisheye curves... which can be very interesting!) Bottom line, if you think in terms of field of view, AND you used to shoot film (or you STILL also shoot film), the equivalence continues to have more than a little utility. It is similar to an older American who will always need to convert metric units to imperial units in order to grasp what is being talked about. A younger generation that simply learned the metric system without having the base knowledge of imperial units would certainly not need that utility. Darren Addy Kearney, NE -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
So I guess my decision late last year not to go on a photo shoot in Iceland this year was fortuitous. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
Are Toyotas allowed on that street ? ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Brass Penny
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Brass Penny Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 Note: The problem with letting the camera pick the plane of focus is it's not often the one you prefer. And here I thought the operator was the one that picked the plane of focus ! As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:58:23AM -0500, CheekyGeek wrote: Well a focal length is a focal length is a focal length but if you are an old school 35mm film shooter then a particular lens focal length translates in your mind to a particular field-of-view. When you crop that you haven't changed the effect of the focal length (think: squashed depth with a particular telephoto focal length, for example) but you HAVE changed the field-of-view. Bad choice of example. The squashed depth effect is a function solely of the combination of shooting position and angle of view, and nothing to do with focal length. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
sad but true ... weren't there also runaway audis a decade or so ago? 2010/4/15 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Are Toyotas allowed on that street ? ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
LoL.. J --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: From: Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: sudden stop To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 8:55 AM Are Toyotas allowed on that street ? ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: sudden stop sad but true ... weren't there also runaway audis a decade or so ago? More like 20 years or so ago. Those were also due to pedal misapplication. 2010/4/15 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Are Toyotas allowed on that street ? ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Brass Penny
Loved the picture and thought the helmet made for an interesting past/present contrast. Biggest problem for me was the background, over which photog had no control other than maybe blurring (i,e bouquet) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:04:08 -0400 From: Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO -- Brass Penny Message-ID: 011d01cadcb5$48edb650$ac24e...@kena60ebc3b689 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Brass Penny Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 Note: The problem with letting the camera pick the plane of focus is it's not often the one you prefer. And here I thought the operator was the one that picked the plane of focus ! As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ultra-wide zooms
How many times do I have to tell you to make the point? A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot be better or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the art designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom performance over the years can also be applied to primes. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms You're clearly not up on the latest developments in lens design. Comparing the best UW prime on the market (The Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon T* in ZK, ZE or ZF mounts) and the best UW zoom on the market, the Nikkor 14-24mm f2.8 G, the zoom has less elements (14 elements in 11 groups for the Nikkor, 16 elements in 13 groups for the Zeiss), although the zoom makes heavy use of exotic glass to achieve this (2 ED elements, 3 aspherical elements, 1 nano-crystal coated element, the latter is unique to Nikon and seriously reduces flare). The Zeiss 21 actually does outperform the Nikkor at 21mm, but only by a small amount (and the zoom has superior flare performance despite its massive front element) and the Zeiss outperforms similar primes by a much larger margin than it does the zoom. Note that the Zeiss 21 is one of the very few truly modern wide prime designs (a 2009 update of a design from 1994), aside from the Pentax DA's, the only other new wide primes are the current set of 14's (Canon's 14LII, the Nikkor 14/2.8D which is the oldest at ~2001 and the brand new Samyang 14/2.8) and Sigma's massive f1.8's (which are good, fast but not exceptional). Simply put, modern molded aspherics, use of low-dispersion elements and other radical tech like Nikon's Nano-crystal coating has functionally removed the advantages of prime designs for wide-angle lenses unless you are trying to make a lens faster than f2.8. The requirements of a retrofocus design simply grow to a point where the requirements for a zoom are irrelevant to anything except size. Making a world class UW requires a very high element count, prime or zoom. Modern digital cameras are simply too demanding for edge performance, particularly high-MP FF cameras. As to the DA 15/4 Limited, it's actually slightly inferior in performance to the DA 14/2.8, and the latter is pretty much identical in performance to the 12-24/4 aside from the extra stop (and the DA 14 is the best performing 14 on APS-C). -Adam On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: ultra wide primes require many more elements than primes do and the results is more flare they will never match a prime because even primes need too many elements for high performance flare performance. what is being sold doesnt prove anything other than market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides. what about the 15mm DA lens?? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms LOL, That may have been true 5 years ago, but it simply isn't now. Current state of the art in lenses wider than 21mm for SLR mounts are all zooms. There are no APS-C or 35mm format SLR primes which exceed the performance of zooms like the Nikkor 14-24/2.8, Zeiss ZA 16-35/2.8 or either of the 7-14/4'sfrom Oly/Panasonic at focal lengths wider than 21mm (And the only reason why 21mm matters is the Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon. which simply dominates the UW prime world for performance). Current coating technology has greatly reduced the issue of increased element count (note the Zeiss 21 has an element count which is only slightly lower than the equivalent zooms) and the increased element count allows correction of distortion and removal of edge performance issues which plague even the best older UW primes. Most basic wide primes at best match the performance of today's high-end wide zooms, there have been very few new-design wide primes introduced in the last 20 years while zoom performance has increased massively and most zooms in this range are new designs form the last few years. The real downside for us is that none of the best zoom options are available in K mount. But a zoom like the DA 12-24/4 or the Sigma 10-20 (in either form) will match or exceed the performance of almost all the primes in the same range available in K mount (yes, even the legendary 15/3.5's) on APS-C. Once again, the Zeiss 21 being the exception
OT: Tax Day in the U.S.
Put it off until the last day e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected. Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work together to e-file don't play nice together anymore I spent most of my time trying to get the screens unlocked. And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now that I don't have any money than I did when I was working. But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off. Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ultra-wide zooms
all else being equal (lens speed, (lens circle/sensor format, barrel size, cost) etc, a SOTA zooom cannot match nor equal a SOTA prime with only one fixed focal length. Its a simpler lens requirement for primes, thats one of the reasons why they still exist, like the DA15 and DA14 -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms You're clearly not up on the latest developments in lens design. Comparing the best UW prime on the market (The Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon T* in ZK, ZE or ZF mounts) and the best UW zoom on the market, the Nikkor 14-24mm f2.8 G, the zoom has less elements (14 elements in 11 groups for the Nikkor, 16 elements in 13 groups for the Zeiss), although the zoom makes heavy use of exotic glass to achieve this (2 ED elements, 3 aspherical elements, 1 nano-crystal coated element, the latter is unique to Nikon and seriously reduces flare). The Zeiss 21 actually does outperform the Nikkor at 21mm, but only by a small amount (and the zoom has superior flare performance despite its massive front element) and the Zeiss outperforms similar primes by a much larger margin than it does the zoom. Note that the Zeiss 21 is one of the very few truly modern wide prime designs (a 2009 update of a design from 1994), aside from the Pentax DA's, the only other new wide primes are the current set of 14's (Canon's 14LII, the Nikkor 14/2.8D which is the oldest at ~2001 and the brand new Samyang 14/2.8) and Sigma's massive f1.8's (which are good, fast but not exceptional). Simply put, modern molded aspherics, use of low-dispersion elements and other radical tech like Nikon's Nano-crystal coating has functionally removed the advantages of prime designs for wide-angle lenses unless you are trying to make a lens faster than f2.8. The requirements of a retrofocus design simply grow to a point where the requirements for a zoom are irrelevant to anything except size. Making a world class UW requires a very high element count, prime or zoom. Modern digital cameras are simply too demanding for edge performance, particularly high-MP FF cameras. As to the DA 15/4 Limited, it's actually slightly inferior in performance to the DA 14/2.8, and the latter is pretty much identical in performance to the 12-24/4 aside from the extra stop (and the DA 14 is the best performing 14 on APS-C). -Adam On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: ultra wide primes require many more elements than primes do and the results is more flare they will never match a prime because even primes need too many elements for high performance flare performance. what is being sold doesnt prove anything other than market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides. what about the 15mm DA lens?? -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ultra-wide zooms LOL, That may have been true 5 years ago, but it simply isn't now. Current state of the art in lenses wider than 21mm for SLR mounts are all zooms. There are no APS-C or 35mm format SLR primes which exceed the performance of zooms like the Nikkor 14-24/2.8, Zeiss ZA 16-35/2.8 or either of the 7-14/4'sfrom Oly/Panasonic at focal lengths wider than 21mm (And the only reason why 21mm matters is the Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon. which simply dominates the UW prime world for performance). Current coating technology has greatly reduced the issue of increased element count (note the Zeiss 21 has an element count which is only slightly lower than the equivalent zooms) and the increased element count allows correction of distortion and removal of edge performance issues which plague even the best older UW primes. Most basic wide primes at best match the performance of today's high-end wide zooms, there have been very few new-design wide primes introduced in the last 20 years while zoom performance has increased massively and most zooms in this range are new designs form the last few years. The real downside for us is that none of the best zoom options are available in K mount. But a zoom like the DA 12-24/4 or the Sigma 10-20 (in either form) will match or exceed the performance of almost all the primes in the same range available in K mount (yes, even the legendary 15/3.5's) on APS-C. Once again, the Zeiss 21 being the exception (it is available in
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
J.C. how about trimming irrelevant cruft from your posts? I'm guess that there were about 400 lines of dead wood, almost half of which were .sigs. On 4/15/2010 10:35 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: How many times do I have to tell you to make the point? A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot be better or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the art designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom performance over the years can also be applied to primes. I think that you are confusing physics with market realities. I don't think that anyone is doubting that it would be possible to make a prime that outperforms any of the ultrawide zooms on the market. The reality is that (to a first approximation) nobody is doing so. The lens manufacturers seem to think that nobody is interested in prime lenses. How many image stabilized primes (under 400mm) are made these days? How many prime kit lenses are there? The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
I hope it blows over soon. You're welcome to it! -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 15 April 2010 12:59 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano The story made the headlines here (USA) on Yahoo. The King Queen of Norway are looking for alternate transport to travel to Denmark for her 70th birthday. I hope it blows over soon. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:17 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: More than 10,000 passengers in Norway are already affected. Looks like all regular airline traffic is suspended. 2010/4/15 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended. The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few days at minimum. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Ok just one more...
A really different use of the pano approach. A good one, too. An unusual and pleasing photo. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Team, The last K-x pano for a while, I promise! It consists of 2x portrait shots, again hand held using my trusty old A24/2.8 1/10th f4 @ ISO1250, I hope you enjoy the Harf. http://users.tpg.com.au/distudio/temp/Pano-IMGX01331.jpg Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:34:59PM -0400, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:58:23AM -0500, CheekyGeek wrote: Well a focal length is a focal length is a focal length but if you are an old school 35mm film shooter then a particular lens focal length translates in your mind to a particular field-of-view. When you crop that you haven't changed the effect of the focal length (think: squashed depth with a particular telephoto focal length, for example) but you HAVE changed the field-of-view. Bad choice of example. The squashed depth effect is a function solely of the combination of shooting position and angle of view, and nothing to do with focal length. To be pedantic, angle of view doesn't really affect it, either. The relative position and sizes of the objects in the image, which is what creates the depth-compression effect, is entirely determined by the position from which the image is captured. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
2010/4/15 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. Which is market logic. Just compare the systems of old and the systems of now. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
From: AlunFoto More than 10,000 passengers in Norway are already affected. Looks like all regular airline traffic is suspended. I'd rather be stuck on the ground in Norway than halfway across when the engines decided to pack it in. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ultra-wide zooms
What is marketable vs what is possible with primes are two different things. What I didn't agree with is the contention that SOTA zooms can match or beat SOTA primes in the ultra wide range of focal lengths. What is on the market is a different matter altogether but there is that 15mm DA lens, but I doubt its SOTA because of its low cost relatively speaking. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen On 4/15/2010 10:35 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: How many times do I have to tell you to make the point? A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot be better or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the art designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom performance over the years can also be applied to primes. I think that you are confusing physics with market realities. I don't think that anyone is doubting that it would be possible to make a prime that outperforms any of the ultrawide zooms on the market. The reality is that (to a first approximation) nobody is doing so. The lens manufacturers seem to think that nobody is interested in prime lenses. How many image stabilized primes (under 400mm) are made these days? How many prime kit lenses are there? The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
Don't get yourself stuck in details =) 2010/4/15 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: AlunFoto More than 10,000 passengers in Norway are already affected. Looks like all regular airline traffic is suspended. I'd rather be stuck on the ground in Norway than halfway across when the engines decided to pack it in. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
From: William Robb From: Brian Walters What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Thats rather unbelievable. I suppose that they are doing their reviews without actually getting a camera to look at. And apparently without looking at their own illustrations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Happy birthday, Paint Boy!
It's Leonardo da Vinci's 558th birthday today, so to mark such a momentous occasion here is a photo I took (handheld, 1/11th sec) on Monday of some people looking at one of his pictures. http://www.web-options.com/LDV.jpg The large painting in the background is the Wedding Feast at Cana by Veronese. I'm pleased with the way the figures in that painting merge into the people in the photograph. Perspective - something Leonardo knew a bit about. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover the wide end of this 10-20mm range? Darren Addy Kearney, NE Fact: Pentax DSLRs attract more photographers with Asperger's Syndrome than any other brand! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Bikespotting
On 4/14/2010 4:50 AM, Richard D Bush wrote: I don't understand why so many bike riders don't wear helmets. It's a vertical fall that often does in the bike rider. Same could be said for pedestrians by the way. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Riding uphill in warm weather, I don't have wind evaporating my sweat and I've never really found a combination of helmet and sweatband that works well. So, if I'm wearing a helmet I get sweat pouring into my eyes. Very uncomfortable. On the flip side, one time I was riding down Felton Empire grade, realized that I was going about the same speed as I would on my motorcycle, but rather than fat tires, disk brakes and leather from neck to toes, I had 25mm wide tires, a couple of tiny rubber pads, spandex and a fiberglass yarmulke. I do tend to wear helmets on long rides, especially if there will be fast downhill sections, though I suspect that the risk/benefit window is narrower than people think. In other words, there is a narrow range of situations where there is significant risk and that the helmet would actually provide sufficient protection to make a big difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover the wide end of this 10-20mm range? There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it. They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ultra-wide zooms
Id bet that a good 10mm Prime DA Lens would be way too high a cost to produce, even if it did outperform the 10-20mm at 10mm. FWIW - Pentax DID eventually produce a 15mm for full frame 35mm film which would similar to the angle of 10mm on APS. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: The analysis of would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm or one zoom? seems to always come up with the answer one zoom. Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover the wide end of this 10-20mm range? There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it. They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ultra-wide zooms
From: CheekyGeek As an (important?) aside, I recently bought the Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 (used) and read that it WILL cover a full 35mm frame down to 13mm. I plan on trying this myself with my Z-1p. I'm sure the corners will suffer, but WOW... a 13mm rectilinear focal length with no field-of-view crop? If true, it is amazing that they don't promote this. Lesson: Don't ASSUME your lenses designed for APS-C won't cover the full 35mm. They just may not do it over the whole zoom range. Haven't USED it on the PZ-1p, but looking through the viewfinder ... At 10mm it's like lookin' through a porthole. At 12mm there's still a tiny bit of vignetting at the corners At 14mm - 20mm there's no visible vignetting, but there is a slight, but noticeable, light fall-off at the corners. The equivalence is more of a shorthand for photographers who were accustomed to how 35mm focal lengths worked, and it has really outlived it's utility. Well a focal length is a focal length is a focal length but if you are an old school 35mm film shooter then a particular lens focal length translates in your mind to a particular field-of-view. When you crop that you haven't changed the effect of the focal length (think: squashed depth with a particular telephoto focal length, for example) but you HAVE changed the field-of-view. For a radical example illustrating this principle, put a F 17-28mm fisheye zoom on a Pentax DSLR. You've still got the fisheye distortion you associate with ultrawide, but you are cropping the center out of the field-of-view (an effective 25-42mm with fisheye curves... which can be very interesting!) Bottom line, if you think in terms of field of view, AND you used to shoot film (or you STILL also shoot film), the equivalence continues to have more than a little utility. It is similar to an older American who will always need to convert metric units to imperial units in order to grasp what is being talked about. A younger generation that simply learned the metric system without having the base knowledge of imperial units would certainly not need that utility. Well, the way it's expressed - as an equivalent focal length - is wrong. It's not an equivalent focal length. Equivalent field of view or angle of view works, but it's still confusing. All I really care about is whether the image circle is large enough for the sensor, be it APS-C or full frame. I would prefer lenses with an image circle large enough to cover the full frame, although I have some lenses that won't and I still use them ... just not on the film cameras. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K-x?
2010/4/15 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: William Robb From: Brian Walters What's wrong with it? Well, it doesn't have an optical viewfinder for one. At least that's according to the UK magazine 'Digital SLR User' that reviewed the K-x in its December 2009 issue. Surely they couldn't be wrong. Could they? See this link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/K-x.jpg Thats rather unbelievable. I suppose that they are doing their reviews without actually getting a camera to look at. And apparently without looking at their own illustrations. No matey, that thingy there above the screen is the built-in flash for backlight situations, it has to fire backwards, that is also why you need to hold the camera above your head! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
Several others as well. The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall to fix the problem. Never would have become a problem if Toyota had been proactive, but somewhere along the way to getting bigger than GM, they started acting like GM. In Toyota's case there's also the lingering question of whether the fix actually fixed it? From: eckinator sad but true ... weren't there also runaway audis a decade or so ago? 2010/4/15 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Are Toyotas allowed on that street ? ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: peso: sudden stop Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
On 4/15/2010 12:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Several others as well. The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall to fix the problem. Never would have become a problem if Toyota had been proactive, but somewhere along the way to getting bigger than GM, they started acting like GM. In Toyota's case there's also the lingering question of whether the fix actually fixed it? In Audi's case there's the lingering question of whether there was ever a problem other than people hitting the wrong pedal. In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to happen on its own. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
John Sessoms wrote: Several others as well. The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall to fix the problem. Not to be too pedantic, but as I recall (no pun intended), the Audi case was never *proven* to be Audi's problem. It seems much more likely it was driver error by a rather hysterical person. But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question (the 100 and 90?) and starting the A4, A6, A8 line to replace it. They installed the now standard can't shift xmission until brakes are applied interlock. That doesn't actually fix the probably non-existent problem, but it (a) shows the public that Audi has done something, and (b) makes the alleged incident completely impossible in future. That worked as Audi's sales are excellent these days. I'm sure I'll be corrected (and over-corrected) if any of that isn't quite right. ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO - Bikespotting
I don't understand why so many bike riders don't wear helmets. It's a vertical fall that often does in the bike rider. [...] will be fast downhill sections, though I suspect that the risk/benefit window is narrower than people think. In other words, there is a narrow range of situations where there is significant risk and that the helmet would actually provide sufficient protection to make a big difference. They can also be a positive harm, turning what would be a minor bump, cut or graze into a serious injury in some circumstances. Few people give any serious consideration either to the costs of wearing a helmet or to the benefits they actually provide, as opposed to the benefits claimed by vested interest groups such as health safety busybodies, insurance companies and cycle helmet manufacturers. It's one of those things that is intuitively obviously good - some protection must be better than none - until you start to question the conventional wisdom and look for some solid evidence both for and against. When you do this you find that there is little agreement in the scientific community about the pros or the cons. This means you have to make your own choice; it also means one has no right to try and foist one's own views on other people. Last year when I was cycling in France I clocked myself doing over 35mph downhill. If I'd fallen off at that speed a helmet wouldn't protect me against dashing my brains out. It might stop me from tearing my scalp off (the old-fashioned hairnet style of helmet would help with that), but it might also cause me to snap my neck or twist my brain away from my brain case. Conclusion: don't cycle at 35mph. The only cycling accident I've had as an adult was falling off at walking pace (don't ask how!) and breaking my wrist - I have, or had, slightly low bone density. I also took a bump on the head, which didn't even bruise, but it was the kind of bump that could have been aggravated by wearing a helmet and causing a rotational injury. In addition to the above, the pro-helmet lobby implies that general utility cycling is somehow an inherently unsafe activity. This is not supported by the evidence as compared with other activities, such as walking, driving, or running with scissors. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.
John Sessoms wrote: Put it off until the last day e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected. Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work together to e-file don't play nice together anymore I spent most of my time trying to get the screens unlocked. And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now that I don't have any money than I did when I was working. But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off. Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came out. Sounds like a perfect storm, John! You definitely deserve a break. Canuck taxes aren't due until the end of the month but I'm sure it's a gonna hurt here too. :-( Take your camera outside, I say. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Columbine II
Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: sudden stop On 4/15/2010 12:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Several others as well. The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall to fix the problem. Never would have become a problem if Toyota had been proactive, but somewhere along the way to getting bigger than GM, they started acting like GM. In Toyota's case there's also the lingering question of whether the fix actually fixed it? In Audi's case there's the lingering question of whether there was ever a problem other than people hitting the wrong pedal. In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to happen on its own. A 'Prof' from Illinois (funded by a lawyer lobby) has managed to do a similar manipulation of the production system on a Prius, which was televised by ABC TV. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Bikespotting
2010/4/15 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I don't understand why so many bike riders don't wear helmets. It's a vertical fall that often does in the bike rider. [...] will be fast downhill sections, though I suspect that the risk/benefit window is narrower than people think. In other words, there is a narrow range of situations where there is significant risk and that the helmet would actually provide sufficient protection to make a big difference. They can also be a positive harm, turning what would be a minor bump, cut or graze into a serious injury in some circumstances. Few people give any serious consideration either to the costs of wearing a helmet or to the benefits they actually provide, as opposed to the benefits claimed by vested interest groups such as health safety busybodies, insurance companies and cycle helmet manufacturers. It's one of those things that is intuitively obviously good - some protection must be better than none - until you start to question the conventional wisdom and look for some solid evidence both for and against. When you do this you find that there is little agreement in the scientific community about the pros or the cons. This means you have to make your own choice; it also means one has no right to try and foist one's own views on other people. Last year when I was cycling in France I clocked myself doing over 35mph downhill. If I'd fallen off at that speed a helmet wouldn't protect me against dashing my brains out. It might stop me from tearing my scalp off (the old-fashioned hairnet style of helmet would help with that), but it might also cause me to snap my neck or twist my brain away from my brain case. Conclusion: don't cycle at 35mph. The only cycling accident I've had as an adult was falling off at walking pace (don't ask how!) and breaking my wrist - I have, or had, slightly low bone density. I also took a bump on the head, which didn't even bruise, but it was the kind of bump that could have been aggravated by wearing a helmet and causing a rotational injury. In addition to the above, the pro-helmet lobby implies that general utility cycling is somehow an inherently unsafe activity. This is not supported by the evidence as compared with other activities, such as walking, driving, or running with scissors. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Bob The longer I read what you say and what you link to the more I doubt my helmet beliefs and choices. I was aware of rotational injuries but was and am still under the impression that a helmet, preferably one with at least a chin bar, can also keep your head or parts of it clear of the edge of a curbstone which I see as the most critical threat around town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now my feeling is precisely some is better than none but that may or may not be true... Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
On 4/15/2010 12:26 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. I like it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
Now this is very much to my liking. Only nit, I'd completely blacken the upper left corner. On my screen it is a little dark but I've come to discard that as my screen does as it pleases with no option to adjust. The longer I look at it the more I think this was an ideal situation for off camera fill experiments =) Thanks for sharing Ecke 2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: [...] Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. you or your camera? =P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: sudden stop John Sessoms wrote: Several others as well. The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall to fix the problem. Not to be too pedantic, but as I recall (no pun intended), the Audi case was never *proven* to be Audi's problem. It seems much more likely it was driver error by a rather hysterical person. The U.S., Canadian Japanese government investigated 100's of various vehicles and all came to the same conclusion - there was no vehicle malfunction - it was operator error caused by pedal misapplication. But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question (the 100 and 90?) and starting the A4, A6, A8 line to replace it. They installed the now standard can't shift xmission until brakes are applied interlock. That doesn't actually fix the probably non-existent problem, but it (a) shows the public that Audi has done something, and (b) makes the alleged incident completely impossible in future. That worked as Audi's sales are excellent these days. The Audi 'problem' was sudden unwanted acceleration from a stop. What appears to be the issue with some of the Toyota issues is a sudden, unwanted acceleration while the vehicle is in motion - totally different. The 'Audi' fix requires the operator to have his foot on the brakes pedal before shifting the auto trans into gear. I'm sure I'll be corrected (and over-corrected) if any of that isn't quite right. ;-) Just as you predicted... -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Columbine II
Nice capture. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: PESO: Columbine II Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano
Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption to UK and transatlantic European flights. Most of the North-Western European airspace is closed by now. This goes for the whole of Scandinavia, the UK and Ireand, Netherlands, Belgium, Northern France, Northern Germany and it's still moving South. Just listened to the local tower frequency and they literally sent planes from the last stretch of taxiway, just short of the runway, back to the terminal because Berlin approach just signalled they wouldn't accept any further incoming flights. Never heard anything like this. They're expecting Dusseldorf, Cologne and Francfort to close later this night. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.
From: Bruce Walker John Sessoms wrote: Put it off until the last day e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected. Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work together to e-file don't play nice together anymore I spent most of my time trying to get the screens unlocked. And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now that I don't have any money than I did when I was working. But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off. Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came out. Sounds like a perfect storm, John! You definitely deserve a break. Canuck taxes aren't due until the end of the month but I'm sure it's a gonna hurt here too. :-( Take your camera outside, I say. -bmw Yup. That's where I'm headed RIIIGHT NOW! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd
On 2010-04-14 20:09, Doug Franklin wrote: Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious Oops, typo. It's actually f/5.6, not f/4.5. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.
I thought Windows Vista service pack 2 came out last October 22. It's called Windows 7. jm -- From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:37 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Tax Day in the U.S. Put it off until the last day e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected. Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work together to e-file don't play nice together anymore I spent most of my time trying to get the screens unlocked. And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now that I don't have any money than I did when I was working. But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off. Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote: In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to happen on its own. Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I think ?) to get it to explode in a collision. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
Me and the chair. ;) Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:33 PM 2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: [...] Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. you or your camera? =P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Columbine II
Appreciated, Ken. Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: From: Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: Columbine II To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:36 PM Nice capture. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: PESO: Columbine II Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
Well, as I see it, my screen is pretty much all dark in the ULH corner.(?) Thanks for commenting, Ecke! Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:32 PM Now this is very much to my liking. Only nit, I'd completely blacken the upper left corner. On my screen it is a little dark but I've come to discard that as my screen does as it pleases with no option to adjust. The longer I look at it the more I think this was an ideal situation for off camera fill experiments =) Thanks for sharing Ecke 2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Columbine II
Mine shows OOF purple/magenta petals rather darkish but especially eye catching because ULH shades form a rectangle. Could be my screen is set too bright. IMHO it is prob'ly safe to go ahead and ignore my nit =) 2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Well, as I see it, my screen is pretty much all dark in the ULH corner.(?) Thanks for commenting, Ecke! Jack --- On Thu, 4/15/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:32 PM Now this is very much to my liking. Only nit, I'd completely blacken the upper left corner. On my screen it is a little dark but I've come to discard that as my screen does as it pleases with no option to adjust. The longer I look at it the more I think this was an ideal situation for off camera fill experiments =) Thanks for sharing Ecke 2010/4/15 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Less breeze this AM, so tried it again. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487 K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: sudden stop On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote: In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to happen on its own. Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I think ?) to get it to explode in a collision. Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO - Bikespotting
also keep your head or parts of it clear of the edge of a curbstone which I see as the most critical threat around town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now It is probably worth while finding out the main causes of cycling accidents where you regularly cycle, and making sure you know how to avoid those types of accident. In London, for example, the main causes seem to be from motor vehicles - particularly buses and lorries - turning left in front of cyclists, who are subsequently crushed against the pavement barriers. Another major cause is problems on roundabouts. In both cases the numbers can be and are reduced by cyclist and driver education. Cyclists need to learn how to cycle properly in traffic, and drivers need to be more aware of the issues facing cyclists. Lorry and bus drivers are now increasingly being educated in these areas. As more and more people cycle, more and more of those cyclists are also drivers so as cyclists they know where drivers are looking, and as drivers they understand about cyclists, so this in itself improves road safety. The safety in numbers benefit also increases. Factors like this do far more to prevent injury than helmets ever will. The longer I read what you say and what you link to the more I doubt my helmet beliefs and choices. I was aware of rotational injuries but was and am still under the impression that a helmet, preferably one with at least a chin bar, can also keep your head or parts of it clear of the edge of a curbstone which I see as the most critical threat around town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now my feeling is precisely some is better than none but that may or may not be true... Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sudden stop
2010/4/15 William Robb war...@gmail.com: Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I think ?) to get it to explode in a collision. Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were. Nothing quite like the Brits when it comes to destroying cars http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6453030235718904863# Enjoy =) Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Diner Sign
Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my favorite Diner sign: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292 Comments welcome. Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
