Re: Dust spots ;-( Give me some help!

2010-06-12 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/13/2010 7:46 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

To Leon and all who replied,

I've been busy today with sensor cleaning.
I gave the camera's dust removal function many activations.
The most troubling spot remains.
I bought swabs and used 4-5 to clean the sensor.
The most stubborn spot remains, plus I move some other spots around.
Here's a full size picture of the worst spot, an 851x565 crop from the
full frame.
This is really depressing.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5482110879729068482
and a full size picture
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5481359232070699890

So do I send it to Pentax next?
It will be 1 year old around July 4th.

Regards,  Bob S.


Bob, I routinely get my sensor cleaned by Pentax Israel. Since I learned 
that they do it (free of charge, etc) I never tried to clean sensors of 
my cameras on my own.


To that end, perhaps it would be a sensible idea to send your camera for 
servicing.


Boris

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Re: Memory card image recovery programs

2010-06-12 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:36:53 -0700
Larry Colen  wrote:

> I did something stupd last night and overwrote some files when
> copying them off an SD card.
> 
> I knew that using mv rather than cp was a bad idea, but I discovered
> a failure mode that I hadn't thought of before.
> 
> Any recommendations for a program to recover erased files off an sd
> card for either mac or linux?


http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec

had success with it when I had a card corrupt   command line utility.

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Re: Dust spots ;-( Give me some help!

2010-06-12 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi bob,

I'd send it off to Pentax.  Include the 2 images you linked to so they
are aware of the problem and exactly what they need to fix.

Has the spot been there since new and you just didn't notice it for a
while due to the images you have been taking?  I'd also check your
early images, just to be sure that it isn't a manufacturing problem
(mine didn't show up for a few weeks because I just didn't shoot
anything closed down enough).

I'm also not sure what efforts you need to go to to get your  camera
to Pentax.  I can leave work early and drop off or pick up from the
service department - and talk to the tech at the same time.  If you
have to mail your camera off and deal with people over the phone then
I feel for you (I did that with an extended warranty claim once and
will never buy an extended warranty again because of it).

Some things are best left to the professionals, and being a
professional in some areas I know that getting the best information
about a problem is the biggest help the customer can provide.

Leon

On 13 June 2010 14:46, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> To Leon and all who replied,
>
> I've been busy today with sensor cleaning.
> I gave the camera's dust removal function many activations.
> The most troubling spot remains.
> I bought swabs and used 4-5 to clean the sensor.
> The most stubborn spot remains, plus I move some other spots around.
> Here's a full size picture of the worst spot, an 851x565 crop from the
> full frame.
> This is really depressing.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5482110879729068482
> and a full size picture
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5481359232070699890
>
> So do I send it to Pentax next?
> It will be 1 year old around July 4th.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-12 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/12/2010 5:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

To debate the point further is to natter on into semantics, not
photography ...  ;-)


I agree with that point above and dismiss your analysis of my meaning 
simply because I know better what I mean and you know better the 
language that we use to communicate.



Suffice it to say Lightroom doesn't have this capability at present
and adjust how you work with it to suit what it does do.


I agree with you here.

Boris


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Re: PESO: Cool Flower

2010-06-12 Thread Madame RD

Le 13/06/10 03:37, Cory Waters a écrit :

We spent most of today touring a plantation near Charleston, South Carolina.  I 
saw this cool flower in the butterfly enclosure:
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/12530657_Caytz#898767484_xw6j3

CW


   

Excellent !!! composition, colours and all 

dominique



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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Brendan MacRae




- Original Message 
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> Subject: The State of The List
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Re: Dust spots ;-( Give me some help!

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
To Leon and all who replied,

I've been busy today with sensor cleaning.
I gave the camera's dust removal function many activations.
The most troubling spot remains.
I bought swabs and used 4-5 to clean the sensor.
The most stubborn spot remains, plus I move some other spots around.
Here's a full size picture of the worst spot, an 851x565 crop from the
full frame.
This is really depressing.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5482110879729068482
and a full size picture
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NewK7Samples#5481359232070699890

So do I send it to Pentax next?
It will be 1 year old around July 4th.

Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Leon Altoff  wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> It's almost certainly not beneath the filter - if it's right against
> the sensor then changing the aperture doesn't make it disappear (it's
> the distance between the dust and sensor and the lower angle of the
> light that makes the dust disappear as you open the lens aperture).
>
> Depending on what the tech did at GFM it could be a stubborn bit of
> dust or a faulty filter (I had one, it manifested as a fine spray of
> dust and was visible only above f11 - fixed under warranty by CR
> Kennedy Australia).  A check by Pentax would be my suggestion.
>
> The dust find function only closes the lens to f16 for the test and
> ignores anything below a certain size (not sure what it is).  It's
> useful as a check if you are mainly shooting portraits and other
> images with fairly wide open aperture, but if you close down the
> aperture a lot then using the highest aperture on your sharpest lens
> and examining the image is the best way to find dust.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Leon
>
> On 11 June 2010 23:23, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Rob,
>> I've tried the dust detect function and it shows nothing - a white
>> screen mock-up of the sensor.
>> I'm afraid of something beneath the filter assembly and the trouble of
>> replacing the camera.
>> Thanks for the suggestions as to cause.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PESO: Cool Flower

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Wow Cory,
What the hell is that?
Looks like a biological microwave dish.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Cory Waters  wrote:
> We spent most of today touring a plantation near Charleston, South Carolina.  
> I saw this cool flower in the butterfly enclosure:
> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/12530657_Caytz#898767484_xw6j3
>
> CW
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread drd1135
jeez, Doug, how stupid of us/me not to realize that this had to cost money. 
Don't eBay the K20D. That's too much irony even for an academic. ;-) Give us 
some time to raise funding. 
-Original Message-
From: Doug Brewer 
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:04:13 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The State of The List

Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Doug -
> 
> What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no 
> reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button or 
> directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.
> 
> At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill entirely 
> by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*
> 
> -p

I'll try to answer here.

The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of 
today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped the 
domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good until Dec 
2011.

This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this 
year and a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which were 
greatly appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have been more 
than happy to do this, as well as the maintenance over the years.

I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like 
shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better some 
time this weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this week 
while Mrs. List Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time is hard 
to come by.

Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.

Doug

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Re: PESO: Cool Flower

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Wow!  How cool is that?  Never seen that one before.

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Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:37:26 PM, you wrote:

CW> We spent most of today touring a plantation near Charleston,
CW> South Carolina.  I saw this cool flower in the butterfly enclosure:
CW> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/12530657_Caytz#898767484_xw6j3

CW> CW





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Re: OT: Replacing cells in Battery Packs

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John,

I have replaced my both of my  Battery 2 cells using this company.  Worked like 
a
champ.  Very easy.

www.dasaga.com


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Saturday, June 12, 2010, 11:27:00 AM, you wrote:

JS> Semi-OT anyway ... I use these with my Pentax cameras.

JS> I've got a Quantum Battery 1+ that I think the battery is dead or 
JS> discharged in storage until the battery is unrecoverable.

JS> It won't turn on, but the charging light & all the power leds light up
JS> when the charger is plugged in.

JS> It takes a 6v 2.5ah sealed lead acid battery unit that looks like three
JS> D-cells soldered together and shrink wrapped.

JS> http://tinyurl.com/2epvegu

JS> Batteries Plus here in Raleigh can get the individual cells, connect 
JS> them up and shrink wrap them to make a replacement. Probably cost around
JS> $30.00 ... replacement power pack is going to be at least $150 if I can
JS> even find one used. I don't think they make these any more.

JS> But I was wondering ...

JS> Is there any reason I can't replace that battery with a larger capacity
JS> Gel Cell if I can find one that will fit inside the case? If a 6v 4ah 
JS> battery will fit in the case, could I safely use that in place of the 
JS> the 6v 2.5ah battery.

JS> No warranty issues, these are OLD power packs. But I'd prefer not to 
JS> burn up the circuitry.




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PESO: Cool Flower

2010-06-12 Thread Cory Waters
We spent most of today touring a plantation near Charleston, South Carolina.  I 
saw this cool flower in the butterfly enclosure:
http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/12530657_Caytz#898767484_xw6j3

CW


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Re: PESO - A Teachable Moment - redo

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Good eye-dia. (yeah, I know).

J

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: PESO - A Teachable Moment - redo
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:33 PM
> A little thing, but quite an
> improvement IMO.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:13:51 AM, you wrote:
> 
> ft> As per Bruce's suggestion I brought out a bit of
> detail in the eye of
> ft> the mother.  Not much, but I think it's an
> improvement:
> 
> ft> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment-redo.html
> 
> ft> Original:
> 
> ft> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment.html
> 
> ft> You'll have to click on each photo to get the
> full-screen version to
> ft> see a difference.
> 
> ft> Comment if you will.
> 
> ft> cheers,
> ft> frank
> 
> ft> -- 
> ft> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri
> Cartier-Bresson
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - A Teachable Moment - redo

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
A little thing, but quite an improvement IMO.

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Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:13:51 AM, you wrote:

ft> As per Bruce's suggestion I brought out a bit of detail in the eye of
ft> the mother.  Not much, but I think it's an improvement:

ft> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment-redo.html

ft> Original:

ft> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment.html

ft> You'll have to click on each photo to get the full-screen version to
ft> see a difference.

ft> Comment if you will.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Found it and gladly did it! 

Jack

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: The State of The List
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:20 PM
> Worked for me.  I'm glad we are
> all able to chip in.  Seems only fair.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Saturday, June 12, 2010, 5:10:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> CM> The button works. Done. CM
> 
> CM> Paul Sorenson wrote:
> >> Sent: 12 June 2010 23:34
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: Re: The State of The List
> >> 
> >> So...how many of us can kick in 20USD and see how
> far it goes?
> >> 
> >> -p
> >> 
> >> On 6/12/2010 5:04 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
> >> > Paul Sorenson wrote:
> >> >> Doug -
> >> >>
> >> >> What kind of operating costs are we
> looking at?  There should be no
> >> >> reason that we can't all contribute
> either through a "Donate" button
> >> >> or directly to you in order to keep the
> costs off your back.
> >> >>
> >> >> At least until you get back on your feet
> and can foot the bill
> >> >> entirely by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-)
> <---<---<--*
> >> >>
> >> >> -p
> >> >
> >> > I'll try to answer here.
> >> >
> >> > The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm
> $200 in the red as of
> >> > today, so basically just the hosting runs
> $600 annually. I re-upped
> >> > the domain name last December for a couple of
> years, so it's good
> >> > until Dec 2011.
> >> >
> >> > This has all come out of my pocket, with some
> donations earlier this
> >> > year and a gift from the list four or five
> years ago, both of which
> >> > were greatly appreciated. Again, it must be
> emphasized that I have
> >> > been more than happy to do this, as well as
> the maintenance over the
> >> > years.
> >> >
> >> > I've just added a donation button to the
> pdml.net site. It looks like
> >> > shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write
> the page to look better
> >> > some time this weekend; keep in mind that I
> am single-parenting this
> >> > week while Mrs. List Guy visits her
> grandmother in Colorado, so time
> >> > is hard to come by.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both
> on and off list.
> >> >
> >> > Doug
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> > Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database:
> 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date:
> >> 06/11/10 13:35:00
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Worked for me.  I'm glad we are all able to chip in.  Seems only fair.

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Saturday, June 12, 2010, 5:10:06 PM, you wrote:

CM> The button works. Done. CM

CM> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Sent: 12 June 2010 23:34
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: The State of The List
>> 
>> So...how many of us can kick in 20USD and see how far it goes?
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> On 6/12/2010 5:04 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> > Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> >> Doug -
>> >>
>> >> What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no
>> >> reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button
>> >> or directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.
>> >>
>> >> At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill
>> >> entirely by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*
>> >>
>> >> -p
>> >
>> > I'll try to answer here.
>> >
>> > The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of
>> > today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped
>> > the domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good
>> > until Dec 2011.
>> >
>> > This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this
>> > year and a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which
>> > were greatly appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have
>> > been more than happy to do this, as well as the maintenance over the
>> > years.
>> >
>> > I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like
>> > shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better
>> > some time this weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this
>> > week while Mrs. List Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time
>> > is hard to come by.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.
>> >
>> > Doug
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> > Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date:
>> 06/11/10 13:35:00
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: The State of the List (Gaetan Beauchamp). PDML Digest, Vol 50, Issue 122

2010-06-12 Thread Gaëtan Beauchamp

I would contribute by PayPal too.
GB

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RE: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Chris Mitchell
The button works. Done. CM

Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Sent: 12 June 2010 23:34
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The State of The List
> 
> So...how many of us can kick in 20USD and see how far it goes?
> 
> -p
> 
> On 6/12/2010 5:04 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
> > Paul Sorenson wrote:
> >> Doug -
> >>
> >> What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no
> >> reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button
> >> or directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.
> >>
> >> At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill
> >> entirely by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*
> >>
> >> -p
> >
> > I'll try to answer here.
> >
> > The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of
> > today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped
> > the domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good
> > until Dec 2011.
> >
> > This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this
> > year and a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which
> > were greatly appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have
> > been more than happy to do this, as well as the maintenance over the
> > years.
> >
> > I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like
> > shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better
> > some time this weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this
> > week while Mrs. List Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time
> > is hard to come by.
> >
> > Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
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Re: OT: Replacing cells in Battery Packs

2010-06-12 Thread William Robb


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From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: OT: Replacing cells in Battery Packs


On 2010-06-12 14:27, John Sessoms wrote:


Is there any reason I can't replace that battery with a larger capacity
Gel Cell if I can find one that will fit inside the case? If a 6v 4ah
battery will fit in the case, could I safely use that in place of the
the 6v 2.5ah battery.

No warranty issues, these are OLD power packs. But I'd prefer not to
burn up the circuitry.


I don't know enough about gel cells versus NiCd cells to tell you for 
sure.  You certainly can redo the cells that way, but I'm guessing the 
built in monitoring and charging circuitry may not be appropriate for gel 
cels unless they charge and discharge pretty much identically to NiCds. 
So you might have to disconnect or ignore the built in circuits and gin up 
a separate charger that's appropriate for gels.  OTOH, you might be able 
to find higher capacity NiCds in the same form factor, and that's a 
no-brainer switch out that I've done on numerous pieces of gear over the 
years, but not a flash battery pack.




My old Metz 402 flash was equipped standard with a wet cell, and could use a 
NiCad pack. There was a switch on the thing for adapting the charging 
circuit from one to the other. When I went to a gelled acid battery, I also 
had to buy a separate charger to enable charging, as the 402 pack wouldn't 
charge the dry-fit battery, though it certainly did well using them.
Anyway, I don't think John will have any problems with using gel cells, but 
he will probably need to make some nods to the charging circuit.


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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Paul Ewins
OK, donation made. I 'm a subscriber over at APUG and I figure that I get just 
as much out of the PDML on a day to day basis as APUG so I'm happy to help 
spread the load financially.

regards,
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On 13/06/2010, at 8:04 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Doug -
>> What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no reason 
>> that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button or directly to 
>> you in order to keep the costs off your back.
>> At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill entirely by 
>> yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*
>> -p
> 
> I'll try to answer here.
> 
> The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of today, so 
> basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped the domain name 
> last December for a couple of years, so it's good until Dec 2011.
> 
> This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this year and 
> a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which were greatly 
> appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have been more than happy to 
> do this, as well as the maintenance over the years.
> 
> I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like shite 
> right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better some time this 
> weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this week while Mrs. List 
> Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time is hard to come by.
> 
> Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.
> 
> Doug
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Christine Nielsen
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> So...how many of us can kick in 20USD and see how far it goes?
>


A bargain!  Done.

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread paul stenquist
It's there, and it works.
Paul
On Jun 12, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 12/6/10, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site
> 
> Doug, I can't see one - can you confirm the URL please?
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Paul Sorenson

So...how many of us can kick in 20USD and see how far it goes?

-p

On 6/12/2010 5:04 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

Paul Sorenson wrote:

Doug -

What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no 
reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button 
or directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.


At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill 
entirely by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*


-p


I'll try to answer here.

The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of 
today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped 
the domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good 
until Dec 2011.


This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this 
year and a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which 
were greatly appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have 
been more than happy to do this, as well as the maintenance over the 
years.


I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like 
shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better 
some time this weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this 
week while Mrs. List Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time 
is hard to come by.


Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.

Doug



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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/6/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Doug, I can't see one - can you confirm the URL please?

Aha - it's on the first page, after I reloaded it. Ta.

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/6/10, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site

Doug, I can't see one - can you confirm the URL please?

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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 50, Issue 120

2010-06-12 Thread Brian Walters
Gaetan


On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:36 -0400, "Gaëtan Beauchamp"
 wrote:
> Hello Mr Brewer and Sorenson,
> I'll give to the list by a PayPal button. Give us the procedure.
> Thank you,
> Gaetan Beauchamp
> 


Just go here and press the Donate button:

http://www.pdml.net/


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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Brian Walters


On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:04 -0400, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:
> 
> The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of 
> today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped the 
> domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good until Dec 
> 2011.
> 
>

Bloody hell!  I never realised that you were out of pocket to that
extent annually.

As Jack said - "Why haven't we been asked to contribute in the past? Why
haven't I asked these questions before now?"

If didn't have my morning dose of PDML over breakfast each day... well,
it wouldn't be worth getting out of bed.

Happy to contribute.


Cheers

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Doug Brewer

Paul Sorenson wrote:

Doug -

What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no 
reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button or 
directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.


At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill entirely 
by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*


-p


I'll try to answer here.

The cost for hosting runs $50/month, and I'm $200 in the red as of 
today, so basically just the hosting runs $600 annually. I re-upped the 
domain name last December for a couple of years, so it's good until Dec 
2011.


This has all come out of my pocket, with some donations earlier this 
year and a gift from the list four or five years ago, both of which were 
greatly appreciated. Again, it must be emphasized that I have been more 
than happy to do this, as well as the maintenance over the years.


I've just added a donation button to the pdml.net site. It looks like 
shite right now, and I'm hoping to re-write the page to look better some 
time this weekend; keep in mind that I am single-parenting this week 
while Mrs. List Guy visits her grandmother in Colorado, so time is hard 
to come by.


Thanks for your inquiries and whatnot, both on and off list.

Doug

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Christine Aguila
I'm in for supporting the cause.  Instead of pushing the panic button, let 
us all push the donation button.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: The State of The List


As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid off 
from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment. Returning to 
school has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and there, but the blow 
to my income has been catastrophic.


I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just say 
that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on ebay 
sometime this weekend to get some more operating funds for a while, but 
I'm running out of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.


Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my 
underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a point 
of pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride nor dignity 
play a big part in my life, so you can imagine how important that 
particular point is.


I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to 
raise funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep it 
going, to joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing, but 
that would still have to take into consideration the bandwidth costs, 
which are the bulk of the out-go.


I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm 
going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal 
donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight 
out begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in 
the continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.


If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just 
throw something out for everyone to discuss.


Thank you,

Doug Brewer
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Re: The State of the List: Paypal Button (Doug Brewer and Paul Sorenson) PDML Digest, Vol 50, Issue 120

2010-06-12 Thread Gaëtan Beauchamp

Hello Mr Brewer,
I would subscribe to a PayPal request and click a PayPal Button to  
help your activities within the PDML List.

Gaetan Beauchamp

Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:26:43 -0500
From: Paul Sorenson 
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Doug -

What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no
reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button or
directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.

At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill entirely
by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*

-p

On 6/12/2010 10:59 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid
off from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment.
Returning to school has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and
there, but the blow to my income has been catastrophic.

I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just
say that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on
ebay sometime this weekend to get some more operating funds for a
while, but I'm running out of things to sell and still stay in the
photo game.

Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my
underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a
point of pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride
nor dignity play a big part in my life, so you can imagine how
important that particular point is.

I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to
raise funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep
it going, to joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing,
but that would still have to take into consideration the bandwidth
costs, which are the bulk of the out-go.

I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So
I'm going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company,
a paypal donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid
a straight out begging posture but still give you all the opportunity
to take part in the continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related
source on the Net.

If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or
just throw something out for everyone to discuss.

Thank you,

Doug Brewer
PDML List Guy


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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/6/10, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or
>just throw something out for everyone to discuss.

You organise the button, I'll push it.

(PS could you lend me a tenner til Friday?)

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Re: OT: Replacing cells in Battery Packs

2010-06-12 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-06-12 14:27, John Sessoms wrote:


Is there any reason I can't replace that battery with a larger capacity
Gel Cell if I can find one that will fit inside the case? If a 6v 4ah
battery will fit in the case, could I safely use that in place of the
the 6v 2.5ah battery.

No warranty issues, these are OLD power packs. But I'd prefer not to
burn up the circuitry.


I don't know enough about gel cells versus NiCd cells to tell you for 
sure.  You certainly can redo the cells that way, but I'm guessing the 
built in monitoring and charging circuitry may not be appropriate for 
gel cels unless they charge and discharge pretty much identically to 
NiCds.  So you might have to disconnect or ignore the built in circuits 
and gin up a separate charger that's appropriate for gels.  OTOH, you 
might be able to find higher capacity NiCds in the same form factor, and 
that's a no-brainer switch out that I've done on numerous pieces of gear 
over the years, but not a flash battery pack.


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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi Doug,

Please set up the Paypal button before putting the K20 on eBay (I have
seeing people loose equipment they like and use).  IF not on the PDML
home page then in a message on the list, by the sounds of it we should
all manage to keep the list going without forcing you to give up
photography due to lack of equipment.

Leon

On 13 June 2010 01:59, Doug Brewer  wrote:

> I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just say
> that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on ebay sometime
> this weekend to get some more operating funds for a while, but I'm running
> out of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Madame RD

i'll be happy to help ...
dominique

Le 12/06/10 19:21, Bob Sullivan a écrit :

me too

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
   

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:

 

I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm
going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal
donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out
begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in the
continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.

If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just
throw something out for everyone to discuss.

Thank you,

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid off
> from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment. Returning to
> school has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and there, but the blow
> to my income has been catastrophic.
>
> I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just say
> that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on ebay sometime
> this weekend to get some more operating funds for a while, but I'm running
> out of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.
>
> Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my
> underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a point of
> pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride nor dignity play
> a big part in my life, so you can imagine how important that particular
> point is.
>
> I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to raise
> funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep it going,
> to joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing, but that would
> still have to take into consideration the bandwidth costs, which are the
> bulk of the out-go.
>
> I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm
> going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal
> donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out
> begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in the
> continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.
>
> If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just
> throw something out for everyone to discuss.

I can relate. My tax returns the past couple of years have been pretty
horrifying. If there was an abyss and a spot for jumping off its edge,
I'm halfway to the bottom and wondering where the parachute went to
...

A call for donations is a sensible endeavor. The host of a few of my
lists (SeePhoto, Picture-A-Week and euro-moto) continue to support the
cost of operating the server gratis to the users, but all of us who
admin lists put out an annual call for donations to help fund the
effort. Even a couple of dollars from each subscriber will normally
pay the running costs. We simply post a message and tell people to
donate directly via PayPal.com to the host owner. I don't know how
much comes in on the donation call.

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
How has this list sustained itself all this time? Why haven't we been asked to 
contribute in the past? Why haven't I asked these questions before now?

Jack

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, paul stenquist  wrote:

> From: paul stenquist 
> Subject: Re: The State of The List
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:51 AM
> Hi Doug,
> 
> A paypal button is an excellent idea. Good thinking.
> And rest assured that your work and sacrifices are deeply
> appreciated by all. But it's time for us to pay our own
> way.
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
> 
> > As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year
> since I got laid off from my less-than-lucrative but still
> gainful employment. Returning to school has been fun, and
> I've shot a few gigs here and there, but the blow to my
> income has been catastrophic.
> > 
> > I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll
> skip that and just say that the PDML account is pretty much
> toast. My K20 is going on ebay sometime this weekend to get
> some more operating funds for a while, but I'm running out
> of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.
> > 
> > Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've
> considered my underwriting the PDML my main contribution to
> the community, and a point of pride. Those of you who have
> met me know that neither pride nor dignity play a big part
> in my life, so you can imagine how important that particular
> point is.
> > 
> > I've considered a number of scenarios, from a
> community print sale to raise funds, to just handing it over
> to someone who can afford to keep it going, to joining the
> 21st century and going to a web-based thing, but that would
> still have to take into consideration the bandwidth costs,
> which are the bulk of the out-go.
> > 
> > I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat
> relevant. So I'm going to add, assuming I get permission
> from our hosting company, a paypal donate button to the
> pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out
> begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to
> take part in the continued life of this, the premier
> Pentax-related source on the Net.
> > 
> > If any of you have any questions or suggestions,
> please contact me or just throw something out for everyone
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> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Doug Brewer
> > PDML List Guy
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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 50, Issue 120

2010-06-12 Thread Gaëtan Beauchamp

Hello Mr Brewer and Sorenson,
I'll give to the list by a PayPal button. Give us the procedure.
Thank you,
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RE: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Bob W
[...]
> camera. I
> > hope the digitial Ms, maybe the M10, return to the same size as the
> M3.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> 
> The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
> to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
> depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.

They'll just have to make the sensor and everything narrower then. Isn't
that what we pay scientists for?


Bob


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RE: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread Bob W
[...]
> >>>
> >>> Its a P4 but only 760 RAM. I know i have SP2 but not sure if SP3
> >>> actually finally did downlod.
> >>
> >> Yep, SP3 and 768 of ram. To slow.??
> >>
> >> Dave
> >
> > According to Adobe, not enough RAM.
> 
> I wonder if i could get by. I'm running CS2 on 768 of ram.??

I think they're recommending 2Gb as the minimum requirement for LR3.




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OT: Replacing cells in Battery Packs

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms

Semi-OT anyway ... I use these with my Pentax cameras.

I've got a Quantum Battery 1+ that I think the battery is dead or 
discharged in storage until the battery is unrecoverable.


It won't turn on, but the charging light & all the power leds light up 
when the charger is plugged in.


It takes a 6v 2.5ah sealed lead acid battery unit that looks like three 
D-cells soldered together and shrink wrapped.


http://tinyurl.com/2epvegu

Batteries Plus here in Raleigh can get the individual cells, connect 
them up and shrink wrap them to make a replacement. Probably cost around 
$30.00 ... replacement power pack is going to be at least $150 if I can 
even find one used. I don't think they make these any more.


But I was wondering ...

Is there any reason I can't replace that battery with a larger capacity 
Gel Cell if I can find one that will fit inside the case? If a 6v 4ah 
battery will fit in the case, could I safely use that in place of the 
the 6v 2.5ah battery.


No warranty issues, these are OLD power packs. But I'd prefer not to 
burn up the circuitry.


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RE: At least the ink would be cheap

2010-06-12 Thread Bob W
some people have far too much time on their hands. Fun though.


> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> David J Brooks
> Sent: 12 June 2010 18:50
> To: Pentax Discuss; Barbara Brooks; E
> Subject: At least the ink would be cheap
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX09WnGU6ZY
> 
> D
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RE: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Bob W
ditto

> 
> me too
> 
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So
> I'm
> >> going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a
> paypal
> >> donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a
> straight out
> >> begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part
> in the
> >> continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the
> Net.
> >>
> >> If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me
> or just
> >> throw something out for everyone to discuss.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Doug Brewer
> >> PDML List Guy
> >
> > Doug, I'm only working partime but can and will be happy to make some
> > sort of paypal donation to help keep this going.
> >
> > Dave
> >>
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Re: WTD

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
and this
http://www.whattheduck.net/home/20100608

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:57 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> http://www.whattheduck.net/home/20100601
>
> Dave
>
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WTD

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.whattheduck.net/home/20100601

Dave

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread paul stenquist
Hi Doug,

A paypal button is an excellent idea. Good thinking.
And rest assured that your work and sacrifices are deeply appreciated by all. 
But it's time for us to pay our own way.
Paul


On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

> As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid off 
> from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment. Returning to school 
> has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and there, but the blow to my 
> income has been catastrophic.
> 
> I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just say 
> that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on ebay sometime 
> this weekend to get some more operating funds for a while, but I'm running 
> out of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.
> 
> Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my 
> underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a point of 
> pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride nor dignity play 
> a big part in my life, so you can imagine how important that particular point 
> is.
> 
> I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to raise 
> funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep it going, to 
> joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing, but that would still 
> have to take into consideration the bandwidth costs, which are the bulk of 
> the out-go.
> 
> I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm going 
> to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal donate 
> button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out begging 
> posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in the continued 
> life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.
> 
> If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just 
> throw something out for everyone to discuss.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: Memory card image recovery programs

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
I have rescuepro from sandisk. I have used it once, and it worked

Dave

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I did something stupd last night and overwrote some files when copying them 
> off an SD card.
>
> I knew that using mv rather than cp was a bad idea, but I discovered a 
> failure mode that I hadn't thought of before.
>
> Any recommendations for a program to recover erased files off an sd card for 
> either mac or linux?
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At least the ink would be cheap

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX09WnGU6ZY

D

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Memory card image recovery programs

2010-06-12 Thread Larry Colen
I did something stupd last night and overwrote some files when copying them off 
an SD card.

I knew that using mv rather than cp was a bad idea, but I discovered a failure 
mode that I hadn't thought of before.

Any recommendations for a program to recover erased files off an sd card for 
either mac or linux?

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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
me too

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
>
>> I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm
>> going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal
>> donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out
>> begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in the
>> continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.
>>
>> If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just
>> throw something out for everyone to discuss.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Doug Brewer
>> PDML List Guy
>
> Doug, I'm only working partime but can and will be happy to make some
> sort of paypal donation to help keep this going.
>
> Dave
>>
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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread Rick Womer
Nice!  Ordinarily one wants the eyes in sharpest focus, but in this case it 
works perfectly that the snout is.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Sat, 6/12/10, David J Brooks  wrote:

> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Peso What you lookin at
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Petch Dianne" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Smillie Dale" 
> , "Conley Leah" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 9:01 AM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730
> 
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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
 You're SOL on the iBook, LR3 requires an Intel-based Mac.
>>>
>>> Thats ok, LR2 is doing a good job on the iBook.
>>>
Your PC's
 graphics card is far too old to support CUDA and the PC itself is
 probably too old, current system requirements are a P4 and 2GB of RAM
 running XP SP3 or later.
>>>
>>> Its a P4 but only 760 RAM. I know i have SP2 but not sure if SP3
>>> actually finally did downlod.
>>
>> Yep, SP3 and 768 of ram. To slow.??
>>
>> Dave
>
> According to Adobe, not enough RAM.

I wonder if i could get by. I'm running CS2 on 768 of ram.??

Dave
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:

> I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm
> going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal
> donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a straight out
> begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to take part in the
> continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related source on the Net.
>
> If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or just
> throw something out for everyone to discuss.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Doug Brewer
> PDML List Guy

Doug, I'm only working partime but can and will be happy to make some
sort of paypal donation to help keep this going.

Dave
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Re: The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Paul Sorenson

Doug -

What kind of operating costs are we looking at?  There should be no 
reason that we can't all contribute either through a "Donate" button or 
directly to you in order to keep the costs off your back.


At least until you get back on your feet and can foot the bill entirely 
by yourself again. * :-D ;-) :-) <---<---<--*


-p

On 6/12/2010 10:59 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid 
off from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment. 
Returning to school has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and 
there, but the blow to my income has been catastrophic.


I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just 
say that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on 
ebay sometime this weekend to get some more operating funds for a 
while, but I'm running out of things to sell and still stay in the 
photo game.


Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my 
underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a 
point of pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride 
nor dignity play a big part in my life, so you can imagine how 
important that particular point is.


I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to 
raise funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep 
it going, to joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing, 
but that would still have to take into consideration the bandwidth 
costs, which are the bulk of the out-go.


I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So 
I'm going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, 
a paypal donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid 
a straight out begging posture but still give you all the opportunity 
to take part in the continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related 
source on the Net.


If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or 
just throw something out for everyone to discuss.


Thank you,

Doug Brewer
PDML List Guy



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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 12/6/10, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
>>to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
>>depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.
>
> Adam, what's the comparison like between the R-D1 and an M8/9 for body
> thickness? I always found the R-D1 to be superbly proportioned...
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
>

Depends on the RD-1 (the x is a bit thinner than the original or the s
version) but roughly the same thickness.

-Adam

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The State of The List

2010-06-12 Thread Doug Brewer
As most of you know, I am soon to celebrate one year since I got laid 
off from my less-than-lucrative but still gainful employment. Returning 
to school has been fun, and I've shot a few gigs here and there, but the 
blow to my income has been catastrophic.


I could type for a while on this subject, but I'll skip that and just 
say that the PDML account is pretty much toast. My K20 is going on ebay 
sometime this weekend to get some more operating funds for a while, but 
I'm running out of things to sell and still stay in the photo game.


Understand how sad and awkward this is for me; I've considered my 
underwriting the PDML my main contribution to the community, and a point 
of pride. Those of you who have met me know that neither pride nor 
dignity play a big part in my life, so you can imagine how important 
that particular point is.


I've considered a number of scenarios, from a community print sale to 
raise funds, to just handing it over to someone who can afford to keep 
it going, to joining the 21st century and going to a web-based thing, 
but that would still have to take into consideration the bandwidth 
costs, which are the bulk of the out-go.


I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm 
going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a 
paypal donate button to the pdml.net home page. This way I can avoid a 
straight out begging posture but still give you all the opportunity to 
take part in the continued life of this, the premier Pentax-related 
source on the Net.


If any of you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me or 
just throw something out for everyone to discuss.


Thank you,

Doug Brewer
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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
>>> You're SOL on the iBook, LR3 requires an Intel-based Mac.
>>
>> Thats ok, LR2 is doing a good job on the iBook.
>>
>>>Your PC's
>>> graphics card is far too old to support CUDA and the PC itself is
>>> probably too old, current system requirements are a P4 and 2GB of RAM
>>> running XP SP3 or later.
>>
>> Its a P4 but only 760 RAM. I know i have SP2 but not sure if SP3
>> actually finally did downlod.
>
> Yep, SP3 and 768 of ram. To slow.??
>
> Dave

According to Adobe, not enough RAM.

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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/6/10, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
>to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
>depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.

Adam, what's the comparison like between the R-D1 and an M8/9 for body
thickness? I always found the R-D1 to be superbly proportioned...

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RE: PESO stranded

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms

From: P N Stenquist
On the way home from last week's trip to the DIA, I hit an errant tire  
and wheel at about 75 mph. Blew out both right tires. Had to wait two  
hours for a flatbed. So I played with my Leica. This is on Portra 160,  
scanned on an Epson 3200 flatbed. The lens is the Summaron 35/35. I  
think it was f8 @ 1/50th.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11122068&size=lg


Glad to know you survived the experience with nothing worse than 
property damage.


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Re: PESO - Editorial

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bruce Dayton

Another well seen shot - quite amusing.

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>

Thursday, June 10, 2010, 5:22:10 PM, you wrote:

RW> The best part of the Eggleston exhibit at the Art Institute of Chicago: 

RW> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4012 


RW> Rick



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Re: equipment issues this week

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
About the best thing I've found for covering the LCD on the back of the 
camera is that clear plastic packing tape like UPS sells.


It's easily cut to the appropriate size & shape; smooths out without 
bubbles; stays on good ... but when it's time to replace it, the residue 
from the glue cleans up fairly easily (just rub it with a fingertip and 
it balls up & peels off).


I bought one of those screen protectors when I got the K20D, and I'm 
much less satisfied with its performance than I was with the plain old 
packing tape I used on the *ist-D and K10D.


From: Larry Colen

n Jun 11, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:


> On 08/06/2010, Larry Colen  wrote:

>> That's great. Thank you!
> 
> Some more rather pertinent info:
> 
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/103880-lcd-screen-protectors-yes-no-2.html#post1073175


Great! thanks again.

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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread P N Stenquist

Great expression on this one! Good catch.
Paul

On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:27 AM, m...@robertstech.com wrote:


David J Brooks  wrote:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730

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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
>> You're SOL on the iBook, LR3 requires an Intel-based Mac.
>
> Thats ok, LR2 is doing a good job on the iBook.
>
>>Your PC's
>> graphics card is far too old to support CUDA and the PC itself is
>> probably too old, current system requirements are a P4 and 2GB of RAM
>> running XP SP3 or later.
>
> Its a P4 but only 760 RAM. I know i have SP2 but not sure if SP3
> actually finally did downlod.

Yep, SP3 and 768 of ram. To slow.??

Dave
>
> Good excuse to get a new computer.
> Liz is using her HST rebate check to go to Blue Heron, so why not as
> new cpmputer for moi.:-)
>
> dAVE
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:36 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> I have a G4 iBook, should i be concerned on LR3 working here. My PC
>>> has an Nvidia card but its from 2002.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM, paul stenquist  
 wrote:
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
>
>> I bloody hope so cause it's the only reason I bought a Windows laptop 
>> with
>> an Nvidia GPU rather than a Macbook last month!
>
> Not sure what you're talking about, but Macbooks have Nividia graphics 
> cards.
>

 But NVidia's CUDA accelleration typically requires 256MB of dedicated
 VRAM, which means a Windows machine or a Macbook Pro. The MacBook only
 has shared VRAM (making it a poor choice for any memory-hungry
 applications).

 While Photoshop CS5 is definitely CUDA-enabled I've seen no indication
 that ACR or Lightroom are.

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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM,   wrote:
> David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730
>>
>>Dave
>>
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Global warming

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Re: studio light brand suggestions

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms

From: Rob Studdert

CFLs with integrated ballasts/electronics generally run at a higher
frequency then the mains so that's generally not a problem. And from
experience I would expect that cylindrical fluorescent tubes designed
for photo-lights would likely be designed to exhibit persistence that
negates the pulsing (as I haven't experienced it).

Our ABC TV is state funded and generally has the best gear that's
about, currently they run arrays of  2' tubes with LED as highlights
for 1:1 interviews, colour balance is excellent and integrates
perfectly with outside lighting.

The wide shots below were shot using AWB on the *ist D and the
portrait was shot using the K20D with a manual WB:

http://picasaweb.google.com.au/distudio/Lighting?authkey=Gv1sRgCLzWi5ypt_r39QE#


I've only got one real problem with the new fluorescent technology.

My next school assignment is to shoot someone at a computer - lit by 
those horrible old green fluorescent lamps.


REQUIRED to shoot daylight chrome film and color balance the strobe to 
match the fluorescent lamps with a green gel and correct the light with 
a magenta filter over the lens. I have all the appropriate gels and filters.


But everybody's gone to the new technology and I can't find anyone still 
using the old nasty green ones.


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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread mark
David J Brooks  wrote:

>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730
>
>Dave
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RE: studio light brand suggestions

2010-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
If you like the Alien Bees, you should also like the White Lightnings. 
Manufactured by the same company.


One thing to consider is the replacement cost for modeling lamps and 
flash tubes. The Alien Bees replacement tube is about half the cost of 
the tube for the Bowens monolights, and about 1/3 the cost of the 
Elinchrom tubes.


However, none of these are TUNGSTEN lights.

If you're thinking the old fashion style can lights with the slider that 
changes from spot to flood, those things are WAY EXPENSIVE.


OTOH, you can probably get started with clamp on lights from Home Depot 
or Lowes. I'd make sure I got the ones with ceramic sockets to handle 
higher wattage bulbs.



From: "Tanya Love"

Elinchrom or Bowens are the only way to go if you are serious.  That said,
I've been shooting Alien Bees for years now and love them.  They now have a
distributor in Australia which is even better, and you can get the same
features for half of the price of either of the aforementioned brands.
PLUS, they come in PINK!  Woohoo!

Tan.x.

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Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions:

Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio 
lights* to be used for portraiture?


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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> You're SOL on the iBook, LR3 requires an Intel-based Mac.

Thats ok, LR2 is doing a good job on the iBook.

>Your PC's
> graphics card is far too old to support CUDA and the PC itself is
> probably too old, current system requirements are a P4 and 2GB of RAM
> running XP SP3 or later.

Its a P4 but only 760 RAM. I know i have SP2 but not sure if SP3
actually finally did downlod.

Good excuse to get a new computer.
Liz is using her HST rebate check to go to Blue Heron, so why not as
new cpmputer for moi.:-)

dAVE
>
> -Adam
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:36 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> I have a G4 iBook, should i be concerned on LR3 working here. My PC
>> has an Nvidia card but its from 2002.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM, paul stenquist  
>>> wrote:

 On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

> I bloody hope so cause it's the only reason I bought a Windows laptop with
> an Nvidia GPU rather than a Macbook last month!

 Not sure what you're talking about, but Macbooks have Nividia graphics 
 cards.

>>>
>>> But NVidia's CUDA accelleration typically requires 256MB of dedicated
>>> VRAM, which means a Windows machine or a Macbook Pro. The MacBook only
>>> has shared VRAM (making it a poor choice for any memory-hungry
>>> applications).
>>>
>>> While Photoshop CS5 is definitely CUDA-enabled I've seen no indication
>>> that ACR or Lightroom are.
>>>
>>> -Adam
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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:23 PM, P N Stenquist > wrote:
Some of you may recall that Bill Sawyer, Ken Waller and I went to  
the Robert
Frank exhibit last weekend. Bill brought his M7 and I brought my  
iiif RD,
just to keep in the spirit of things. I threw an old roll of Portra  
160 in
it. It was outdated by four or five years but had been in the  
freezer. This
is cropped to vertical from a horizontal shot, scanned on my  
flatbed Epson
3200. The lens is the Summicron 50/2.5. That's part of the Diego  
Rivera

mural in the lobby behind Bill.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11122047


Nice!
But Summicron 50mm f/2.5? I thought all Summicrons were f/2. Minor  
point. ;-)


Every so often I think about my old favorite M4-P and would like it
back again. But not enough to put out the money for one. I figure when
my ship comes in (again), I'll buy an M9.
--
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You're right of course. The Summicron is an f2. I haven't used the  
Leica in so long my memory failed me.


I may yet sell my little bit of Leica gear some day. Haven't had to  
yet, but if the right camera calls out to me, I'll unload it.


Paul

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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread P N Stenquist
Remember this was dueling Leicas. Somewhere in that camera is a a  
photo of me that's far more damning:-).

Paul
On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Bill Sawyer wrote:


I'm giving up beer & pizza today.  And reactivating my gym membership.
Shees, nothing like a good picture of yourself to ruin a day..

Bill Sawyer


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On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Bill Sawyer wrote:


Who's the fat guy??


Me!



Bill Sawyer

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Some of you may recall that Bill Sawyer, Ken Waller and I went to the
Robert Frank exhibit last weekend. Bill brought his M7 and I brought
my iiif RD, just to keep in the spirit of things. I threw an old roll
of Portra 160 in it. It was outdated by four or five years but had
been in the freezer. This is cropped to vertical from a horizontal
shot, scanned on my flatbed Epson 3200. The lens is the Summicron
50/2.5. That's part of the Diego Rivera mural in the lobby behind  
Bill.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11122047

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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread P N Stenquist
We compared Bill's M7 to my iiif. The lare-model M is quite a bit  
larger than the old Barnack Leica.

Paul


On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Adam Maas wrote:


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Bob W  wrote:



since taking my M3 up to Milton Keynes last week I've been getting  
a lot of
enjoyment out of using it again this week. It really is a superb  
camera. I
hope the digitial Ms, maybe the M10, return to the same size as the  
M3.


Bob



The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.

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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Nice girraffe image.  I notice the ears are out listening to you.  And
I like how the head is at the top of the trees i the background.
You're getting some nice images from your drives.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - Soft

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Like dominique says, beautiful eye candy.
You've got to have a great portfolio of flower shots by now.
I'd wonder about publishing them somehow.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Madame RD  wrote:
> Le 12/06/10 05:26, Bruce Dayton a écrit :
>>
>> This shot was taken in my backyard recently when the lighting was
>> reasonably diffused.
>>
>> Pentax K20D, F 85/2.8 Soft
>> ISO 100, 1/640 sec @ f/4.5
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00810.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome
>>
>>
>
> beautiful ...   an eye candy !
>
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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 2:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> I don't see it that way. I see it as using the tools given what they
>> can do and what I need to get done, without the presumption that the
>> tools are somehow deficient.
>
> I humbly disagree again, Godfrey. I never meant that LR as it is now was
> deficient. I even indicated mere lack of _convenience_ feature.
>
> To give you a simple example, the fact that my car does not have all wheel
> drive does not make it deficient, but it also means that I have be careful
> when choosing if and when I might go off-road. And having such a car and
> planning to have the next one with all wheel drive is not presumptuous in
> any way.

The fact that you mentioned what I wrote about as a 'work around'
solution implies the presumption that you felt there to be a
deficiency.

Your analogy isn't particularly apt in the way you put it. How to make
it more apt: The fact that your car isn't equipped with four wheel
drive doesn't mean you can't drive it off-road. It means that it will
not have the traction of a four wheel drive equipped vehicle in some
circumstances, and that when you drive it off road you have to be
aware of that fact and adjust your driving appropriately. This is not
a lack of a 'convenience feature' or a work around, it's the lack of a
particular capability which requires that you act differently when
presented with a situation that might utilize that capability
effectively.

That is an analogous situation to the fact that Lightroom does not
include the ability to interact with multiple independent database
files simultaneously: when faced with the notion of working with
original file repositories of a larger scope than might be sensible to
have in a single database all the time, you need to work differently
compared to how you might work if LR supported managing multiple
database files simultaneously.

To debate the point further is to natter on into semantics, not
photography ...  ;-)

Suffice it to say Lightroom doesn't have this capability at present
and adjust how you work with it to suit what it does do.

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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Madame RD

Le 12/06/10 15:22, Bill Sawyer a écrit :

I'm giving up beer&  pizza today.  And reactivating my gym membership.
Shees, nothing like a good picture of yourself to ruin a day..

Bill Sawyer
   


agreed ... photography _can_ be dangerous for one's peace of mind ... 
:-D O:-) ...


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Re: Peso Resting

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Try desaturating the green. It sort of dominates the scene as is..on my 
monitor. :)

Jack

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> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Re: Peso Resting
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Petch Dianne" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:05 AM
> Any ideas as to how i can get rid of
> that green tint on its face.??
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David J Brooks 
> wrote:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123731
> >
> > Lat one from the Zoo series, maybe.:-)
> >
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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
That's a nice catch! Nose on and munching greenery has to elicit a smile.  =)

Jack

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> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Peso What you lookin at
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Petch Dianne" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Smillie Dale" 
> , "Conley Leah" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:01 AM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730
> 
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Re: PESO - At Your Own Risk

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Cute fun shot! :)

Jack

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> Subject: PESO - At Your Own Risk
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 5:44 AM
> "Change the channel and I'll have to
> kill you."
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/at-your-own-risk.html
> 
> She really likes watching old re-runs of Tom and Jerry on
> the Cartoon Channel...
> 
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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-06-12 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-06-11 23:15, John Sessoms wrote:


I also ran into a similar Segway tour group walking home from jury duty
last fall. Much smaller group - maybe 4 people in addition to the group
leader/tour guide.


A friend of mine just came back from a family vacation in Spain.  They 
took a Segway tour like that in Barcelona.


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Re: Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread Madame RD

Le 12/06/10 15:01, David J Brooks a écrit :

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730

Dave
   
well,  she looks at you as if you were a pain in the neck .. 
great photo by the way . I really enjoyed it !


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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:23 PM, P N Stenquist  wrote:
> Some of you may recall that Bill Sawyer, Ken Waller and I went to the Robert
> Frank exhibit last weekend. Bill brought his M7 and I brought my iiif RD,
> just to keep in the spirit of things. I threw an old roll of Portra 160 in
> it. It was outdated by four or five years but had been in the freezer. This
> is cropped to vertical from a horizontal shot, scanned on my flatbed Epson
> 3200. The lens is the Summicron 50/2.5. That's part of the Diego Rivera
> mural in the lobby behind Bill.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11122047

Nice!
But Summicron 50mm f/2.5? I thought all Summicrons were f/2. Minor point. ;-)

Every so often I think about my old favorite M4-P and would like it
back again. But not enough to put out the money for one. I figure when
my ship comes in (again), I'll buy an M9.
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RE: PESO - Soft

2010-06-12 Thread Chris Mitchell
Bruce Dayton wrote
> 
> This shot was taken in my backyard recently when the lighting was
> reasonably diffused.
> 
> Pentax K20D, F 85/2.8 Soft
> ISO 100, 1/640 sec @ f/4.5
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00810.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> --
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Lovely Bruce. One of those lenses went recently on UK Ebay for about 80 GBP.
Rather wish I'd grabbed it, but it has limited use. It may be possible to
get a similar effect post capture, or with multi exposure, 1 in focus, 1
out.

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Re: PESO - Parallel

2010-06-12 Thread Rick Womer
Gee, I dunno.  We were standing there waiting for a train, and I was looking 
around for something to shoot...

Thanks, Bruce!

Rick

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--- On Fri, 6/11/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> Wow, how did you manage to see
> that?  I like the patterns.  Nicely
> done.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:32:41 PM, you wrote:
> 
> RW> Another from the Chicago "L":
> 
> RW> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4007&size=lg
> 
> RW> (K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 200, f/5.6 @ 1/125)
> 
> RW> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> RW>       
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Re: PESO - Soft

2010-06-12 Thread Rick Womer
Beautiful.  Can one get the same effect by superimposing focused and OOF images?

Rick

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> This shot was taken in my backyard
> recently when the lighting was
> reasonably diffused.
> 
> Pentax K20D, F 85/2.8 Soft
> ISO 100, 1/640 sec @ f/4.5
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00810.htm
> 
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RE: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Bill Sawyer
I'm giving up beer & pizza today.  And reactivating my gym membership.
Shees, nothing like a good picture of yourself to ruin a day..

Bill Sawyer


-Original Message-
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On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> Who's the fat guy??
> 
Me!


> Bill Sawyer
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Some of you may recall that Bill Sawyer, Ken Waller and I went to the  
> Robert Frank exhibit last weekend. Bill brought his M7 and I brought  
> my iiif RD, just to keep in the spirit of things. I threw an old roll  
> of Portra 160 in it. It was outdated by four or five years but had  
> been in the freezer. This is cropped to vertical from a horizontal  
> shot, scanned on my flatbed Epson 3200. The lens is the Summicron  
> 50/2.5. That's part of the Diego Rivera mural in the lobby behind Bill.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11122047
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PESO - A Teachable Moment - redo

2010-06-12 Thread frank theriault
As per Bruce's suggestion I brought out a bit of detail in the eye of
the mother.  Not much, but I think it's an improvement:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment-redo.html

Original:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment.html

You'll have to click on each photo to get the full-screen version to
see a difference.

Comment if you will.

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Re: Peso Resting

2010-06-12 Thread P. J. Alling

Spray paint?

On 6/12/2010 9:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Any ideas as to how i can get rid of that green tint on its face.??

Dave

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
   

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123731

Lat one from the Zoo series, maybe.:-)

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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread P. J. Alling
What?  You don;t think someday we'll have spray on sensors built by 
nanotech, only a little thicker than traditional film?


On 6/12/2010 9:10 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Bob W  wrote:
   


since taking my M3 up to Milton Keynes last week I've been getting a lot of
enjoyment out of using it again this week. It really is a superb camera. I
hope the digitial Ms, maybe the M10, return to the same size as the M3.

Bob

 

The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.

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Re: PESO - A Teachable Moment

2010-06-12 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> It has been very interesting to see you branch out into other genres.
> It shows your versatility.  I like your composition here.  As you
> can see, even the flying rats present some difficulties.  The adults
> with their dark plumage on the head/neck make it much more difficult
> to bring out the eye - which would improve this shot.  Lighting
> becomes key here.
>
> Keep at it and keep showing us all these new, wonderful shots of
> yours!

Thanks, Bruce.

As per your suggestion I brought out the eye a bit.  Not really
see-able in the small image, but if you click to enlarge to
full-screen you'll see a bit of detail that wasn't there in the
original:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/teachable-moment-redo.html

This nature photography stuff is fun, but I have lots to learn!

Thanks to everyone else who commented!

cheers,
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Re: Dueling Leicas

2010-06-12 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>
>
> since taking my M3 up to Milton Keynes last week I've been getting a lot of
> enjoyment out of using it again this week. It really is a superb camera. I
> hope the digitial Ms, maybe the M10, return to the same size as the M3.
>
> Bob
>

The digital M's will always be thicker than the film bodies, you have
to put the sensor and LCD somewhere and the mount dictates a minimum
depth. The other dimensions can be shaved though.

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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread Adam Maas
You're SOL on the iBook, LR3 requires an Intel-based Mac. Your PC's
graphics card is far too old to support CUDA and the PC itself is
probably too old, current system requirements are a P4 and 2GB of RAM
running XP SP3 or later.

-Adam

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:36 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I have a G4 iBook, should i be concerned on LR3 working here. My PC
> has an Nvidia card but its from 2002.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM, paul stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
>>>
 I bloody hope so cause it's the only reason I bought a Windows laptop with
 an Nvidia GPU rather than a Macbook last month!
>>>
>>> Not sure what you're talking about, but Macbooks have Nividia graphics 
>>> cards.
>>>
>>
>> But NVidia's CUDA accelleration typically requires 256MB of dedicated
>> VRAM, which means a Windows machine or a Macbook Pro. The MacBook only
>> has shared VRAM (making it a poor choice for any memory-hungry
>> applications).
>>
>> While Photoshop CS5 is definitely CUDA-enabled I've seen no indication
>> that ACR or Lightroom are.
>>
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Re: Peso Resting

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
Any ideas as to how i can get rid of that green tint on its face.??

Dave

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123731
>
> Lat one from the Zoo series, maybe.:-)
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Peso Resting

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123731

Lat one from the Zoo series, maybe.:-)

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Re: Dust spots ;-( Give me some help!

2010-06-12 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi Bob,

It's almost certainly not beneath the filter - if it's right against
the sensor then changing the aperture doesn't make it disappear (it's
the distance between the dust and sensor and the lower angle of the
light that makes the dust disappear as you open the lens aperture).

Depending on what the tech did at GFM it could be a stubborn bit of
dust or a faulty filter (I had one, it manifested as a fine spray of
dust and was visible only above f11 - fixed under warranty by CR
Kennedy Australia).  A check by Pentax would be my suggestion.

The dust find function only closes the lens to f16 for the test and
ignores anything below a certain size (not sure what it is).  It's
useful as a check if you are mainly shooting portraits and other
images with fairly wide open aperture, but if you close down the
aperture a lot then using the highest aperture on your sharpest lens
and examining the image is the best way to find dust.

Hope this helps

Leon

On 11 June 2010 23:23, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Rob,
> I've tried the dust detect function and it shows nothing - a white
> screen mock-up of the sensor.
> I'm afraid of something beneath the filter assembly and the trouble of
> replacing the camera.
> Thanks for the suggestions as to cause.
> Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - At Your Own Risk

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
Ha. Good shot. Its been almost 10 days since our last cat shot.

Good job on the white fur.

Dave

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM, frank theriault
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> "Change the channel and I'll have to kill you."
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/at-your-own-risk.html
>
> She really likes watching old re-runs of Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon 
> Channel...
>
> ;-)
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
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Peso What you lookin at

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11123730

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PESO - At Your Own Risk

2010-06-12 Thread frank theriault
"Change the channel and I'll have to kill you."

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/at-your-own-risk.html

She really likes watching old re-runs of Tom and Jerry on the Cartoon Channel...

;-)

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Soft

2010-06-12 Thread Jack Davis
Totally well done, Bruce!

Jack

--- On Fri, 6/11/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

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> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 8:26 PM
> This shot was taken in my backyard
> recently when the lighting was
> reasonably diffused.
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> Pentax K20D, F 85/2.8 Soft
> ISO 100, 1/640 sec @ f/4.5
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> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00810.htm
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Re: Lightroom 3 now available

2010-06-12 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/11/2010 3:32 AM, paul stenquist wrote:


On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Tanya Love wrote:


I bloody hope so cause it's the only reason I bought a Windows laptop with
an Nvidia GPU rather than a Macbook last month!


Not sure what you're talking about, but Macbooks have Nividia graphics cards.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA

Paul, CUDA is a technology that potentially allows to use one's GPU in 
order to assist the CPU thereby significantly increasing combined 
computational power. It is said that the nature of computations that 
programs such as LightRoom or Photoshop perform lends itself easily to 
such an enhancement.


As a matter of purely subjective evidence, my brother (IT consultant, 
etc) indicated to me that I may expect as much as 5-10 *times* faster 
processing of my images should new LR have CUDA integration.


I hope it sheds some light on this.

Boris

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Re: PESO precious

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
One of your best

Dave

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Re: PESO - Parallel

2010-06-12 Thread David J Brooks
I like the line work and colours here.

Dave

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Another from the Chicago "L":
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