Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Brian Walters
Whoops - too quick on the send button.

I was just going to say that Boris should change his name to Vasili.


Cheers

Brian

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On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:48 -0400, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you
  don't /really/ have to bother.
 
 Give me a ping, Boris.  One ping only, please.  -- Marko Ramius
 
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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 6, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:48 -0400, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you
 don't /really/ have to bother.
 
 Give me a ping, Boris.  One ping only, please.  -- Marko Ramius

One ping over the line, sweet Jesus, one ping over the line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
Waiting for the thread that's about photos, sweet Mary
Puns and cormorants are out of line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line

 
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RE: PESO: Another Dog Picture

2010-10-07 Thread Bob W
 Seriously though, this seems to be the common wisdom, I don't know if it's
 intelligence though, or just the ability to learn things, which dogs are
actually
 very good at, though their thinking tends to be much more linear than
 humans.
 My old Rottie (Leica) was regarded among the dog people I hung out with as
 one of the smartest dogs any of them had run into, and I would have put
her
 equally as smart as any 3 year old.
 
 William Robb

My walrus has a degree in entomology. Only a 2nd though - he's not that
smart.

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RE: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Bob W
[...]
 But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some
photos
 look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
 1920 x 1200 on 24.

you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps backward...




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A couple of backlogged PESOs

2010-10-07 Thread Larry Colen
From the North end of the golden gate bridge, shot with the Bigma on the K-x

Tres Amigos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5059452614/in/set-72157624987857505/

Everybody's a critic:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5059453050/in/set-72157624987857505/

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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/6/2010 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote:

I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago
and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

Taken with the Sony NEX5.

http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298


Tom, I don't think I am as happy/ecstatic about these pubic (wink wink, 
Bob S) places or actually the pictures thereof. The colors seem to be 
generally on the cold side. Could be it is true to life representation, 
but I visited DC at least twice and I don't remember it so cold in color.


Also it feels that you're almost apprehensive about taking these 
pictures. It is hard to put in words, but your previous work, Tom, seems 
to show much more of your character while here it is simpler, more 
common, less individualistic if you know what I mean.


It is a solid effort nonetheless, but without disrespect it seems to me 
that you and your Sony NEX5 have much to learn about each other.


Boris


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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 8:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

One ping over the line, sweet Jesus, one ping over the line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
Waiting for the thread that's about photos, sweet Mary
Puns and cormorants are out of line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line


Larry has lost it...

:-)

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 7:08 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted

i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

stop me before I post again

enjoy



Doug, I think that the second picture would have been more successful if 
both Ted's eyes were in sharp focus.


Ted is cool!

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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

2010-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Oct 6, 2010, at 07:40 , Boris Liberman wrote:

Bill, is it then right that a dog has an intelligence of average two- 
three years old child then?



Dogs have a society amongst themselves. Any other dog who knows the  
rules and how to play is a smart dog. Dogs that bite other dogs or  
people for any reason except defense of their alpha master, or bark  
for long minutes or hours at nothing, or chase a ball and bring it  
back time after time after time, or run in circles without stopping  
for an hour with a wild look in their eye, are all insane.


Dogs that eat your shoes are just trying to bond with you. Dogs that  
poop on your floor or bed are just establishing territoriality. A  
trained dog will sit when asked if you give it a treat afterwards. A  
smart dog will sit without being asked, which trains you to give it a  
treat. It's called symbiosis.



If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: PAW39 - Sunset

2010-10-07 Thread DagT
Tanks again for all of the comments, and thanks for looking :-)

DagT
http://www.thrane.name



Den 7. okt. 2010 kl. 07.11 skrev Chris Mitchell:

 DagT wrote:
 
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200
 
 DagT
 http://www.thrane.name/
 
 That is terrific!
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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread eckinator
2010/10/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On 10/7/2010 8:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 One ping over the line, sweet Jesus, one ping over the line
 Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
 Waiting for the thread that's about photos, sweet Mary
 Puns and cormorants are out of line
 Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line

 Larry has lost it...

ok the PDML poetry slam and haiku contest is now officially opened

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Re: pesos - a discovery

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman
I hereby officially spite and hate you, sir Paul :-). Mostly because of 
the weather. Although we are to have some rain towards weekend, we had 
yet another +40C spike just last week.


Amongst these three, the second one is my favorite. Simply put, all 
ingredients of the delicious visual dish are present in exactly right 
quantities.


Boris

On 10/6/2010 6:27 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274

K-7, DA* 60-250




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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 October 2010 00:31, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm gonna call that for what I see it as, which is a load of hot steamy pile
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I bet he chuckled later.

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Re: PAW39 - Sunset

2010-10-07 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:07 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200

Spectacular!

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Re: pesos - a discovery

2010-10-07 Thread paul stenquist
Thanks Boris. It's good to be hated:-).
Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I hereby officially spite and hate you, sir Paul :-). Mostly because of the 
 weather. Although we are to have some rain towards weekend, we had yet 
 another +40C spike just last week.
 
 Amongst these three, the second one is my favorite. Simply put, all 
 ingredients of the delicious visual dish are present in exactly right 
 quantities.
 
 Boris
 
 On 10/6/2010 6:27 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274
 
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Re: PESO - Race Prep

2010-10-07 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about your lungs? /ducks for cover/

For the record, I quit smoking about 7 or 8 years ago.

When I stopped smoking, I noticed that I breathed easier on my bike -
not as big a difference as I expected, but it was noticeable.

I'm not a zealot about it:  if one wishes to smoke, that's up to them.
 I'm glad for myself that I quit.

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Re: PESO - Race Prep

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 12:58 PM, frank theriault wrote:

For the record, I quit smoking about 7 or 8 years ago.

When I stopped smoking, I noticed that I breathed easier on my bike -
not as big a difference as I expected, but it was noticeable.

I'm not a zealot about it:  if one wishes to smoke, that's up to them.
  I'm glad for myself that I quit.


I am glad for you that you quit ;-).

Boris


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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 9:52 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

A smart dog will sit without being asked, which *trains you* to give it a
treat. It's called symbiosis.


This reminds me of a certain scene from Start Trek TNG between Cmdr Data 
and his /cat/ Spot... :-)


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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-10-07 2:55, Bob W wrote:

[...]

But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some

photos

look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
1920 x 1200 on 24.


you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps backward...


True, but one typically doesn't.  Your display is where and what it is. 
 Until some disrupting element arrives, you typically live with the 
setup you have, rather than messing about with it.  It really makes me 
wonder about some of the too fuzzy versus sharp enough judgments I've 
made about my photos over the years.


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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Tom C
Boris,

Your opinions are appreciated, well maybe. :-)  Compositions are
intended, and to my memory colors are fairly accurate. Many shots
taken several hours before noon. I deliberately isolated the
architectural elements, in most cases providing little context.
because to me it often looked very classical Greco-Roman in style, and
that is what I intended to show.

I was not apprehensive, why would I be?  I think you reading far too
much between the pixels.

As far as my camera and I learning about one another, I don't
understand how you arrive at that judgement. I shoot with the NEX5
just like any other camera, and if I found there was a large learning
curve where I had to adjust for the performance of the camera in some
way other than I already do, I'd chuck it

Tom



On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/6/2010 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote:

 I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago
 and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

 Taken with the Sony NEX5.

 http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298

 Tom, I don't think I am as happy/ecstatic about these pubic (wink wink, Bob
 S) places or actually the pictures thereof. The colors seem to be generally
 on the cold side. Could be it is true to life representation, but I visited
 DC at least twice and I don't remember it so cold in color.

 Also it feels that you're almost apprehensive about taking these pictures.
 It is hard to put in words, but your previous work, Tom, seems to show much
 more of your character while here it is simpler, more common, less
 individualistic if you know what I mean.

 It is a solid effort nonetheless, but without disrespect it seems to me that
 you and your Sony NEX5 have much to learn about each other.

 Boris


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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread Theodore Beilby
On 10/7/2010 7:08 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
 http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted

 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

 stop me before I post again

 enjoy


Doug, I think that the second picture would have been more successful if 
both Ted's eyes were in sharp focus.

Ted is cool!

Boris

Boris, that is because II wear a contact in my left eye for close-up and one in 
my right eye for far away vision. If Doug had been further away, the right eye 
would have been in focus and the left not so much. 

By the way Doug, Diane liked both shots but wondered how you got me to smile. 

Ted

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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 2:30 PM, Tom C wrote:

Boris,

Your opinions are appreciated, well maybe. :-)  Compositions are
intended, and to my memory colors are fairly accurate. Many shots
taken several hours before noon. I deliberately isolated the
architectural elements, in most cases providing little context.
because to me it often looked very classical Greco-Roman in style, and
that is what I intended to show.

I was not apprehensive, why would I be?  I think you reading far too
much between the pixels.

As far as my camera and I learning about one another, I don't
understand how you arrive at that judgement. I shoot with the NEX5
just like any other camera, and if I found there was a large learning
curve where I had to adjust for the performance of the camera in some
way other than I already do, I'd chuck it

Tom


Absolutely, Tom. It was my /impression/ that I made by looking at web 
size pictures on my (uncalibrated) monitor at work. It is therefore only 
logical that I might have made a mistake.


Your Greco-Roman intent did not come through to me and I went out 
trying to read between the pixels.


Like I said, I am offering you my impression, not my judgment.

Boris

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 3:16 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:

Boris, that is because II wear a contact in my left eye for close-up and one in
my right eye for far away vision. If Doug had been further away, the right eye
would have been in focus and the left not so much.

By the way Doug, Diane liked both shots but wondered how you got me to smile.

Ted


You trickster, you ;-).

Boris


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PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread frank theriault
I've wanted to catch one of these fellows for a while now.  Sadly, I
was unprepared, having only a (not-so-sharp) zoom and no monopod with
me.  If only I'd have had my macro...

Still, I'm satisfied enough with it to post it:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/dragonfly.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

*istD, Sigma 50-200 f3.5 zoom, handheld.

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted

 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

 stop me before I post again

They're both terrific, but the second shot is especially noteworthy.
Broke the rules and won, eh?

;-)

Hating you more with each passing day,

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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread Jeffery Smith
Ah, a living fossil, looking pretty much the same as they did 300 million years 
ago. Nice catch. I like the stony background.

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:56 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 I've wanted to catch one of these fellows for a while now.  Sadly, I
 was unprepared, having only a (not-so-sharp) zoom and no monopod with
 me.  If only I'd have had my macro...
 
 Still, I'm satisfied enough with it to post it:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/dragonfly.html
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
 *istD, Sigma 50-200 f3.5 zoom, handheld.
 
 cheers,
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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Tom C
Thanks Bob. Despite Boris' opinions. :-)

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tom,
 Very pubic and recognizable places, but still a nice collection.
 Your pictures make the place look very charming and powerful.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago
 and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

 Taken with the Sony NEX5.

 http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298

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Re: A couple of backlogged PESOs

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling

 On 10/7/2010 3:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 From the North end of the golden gate bridge, shot with the Bigma on the K-x

Tres Amigos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5059452614/in/set-72157624987857505/


Cormorant row?



Everybody's a critic:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5059453050/in/set-72157624987857505/


This falls under the heading of to much information.


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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling

 On 10/7/2010 3:22 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/7/2010 8:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

One ping over the line, sweet Jesus, one ping over the line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
Waiting for the thread that's about photos, sweet Mary
Puns and cormorants are out of line
Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line


Larry has lost it...


Sad isn't it.



:-)

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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 5:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Sad isn't it.


Hmmm, isn't it supposed to be (grammar police mode): Sad*,* isn't it*?*

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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling
 Funny, youI wouldn't think that taking photos of national monuments 
would lead be a /hairy/ situation.


On 10/6/2010 9:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Tom,
Very pubic and recognizable places, but still a nice collection.
Your pictures make the place look very charming and powerful.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com  wrote:

I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago
and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

Taken with the Sony NEX5.

http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298

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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling

 On 10/7/2010 11:09 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/7/2010 5:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Sad isn't it.


Hmmm, isn't it supposed to be (grammar police mode): Sad*,* isn't it*?*

Boris


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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 5:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Everybody's an editor


Right, just like everybody's suggesting their own crop :-).

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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
  Say, that reminds me; someone needs to update the style manuals to 
include a chapter on the placement of emoticons in relation to 
punctuation marks.


On 10/7/2010 10:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/7/2010 5:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Everybody's an editor


Right, just like everybody's suggesting their own crop :-).

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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
  I don't know what panel technology it uses, but the gamut looks
 pretty good.

i love that show, Wallace and Gamut.

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread David J Brooks
I like the first one.

Dave

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 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

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Re: A couple of backlogged PESOs

2010-10-07 Thread David J Brooks
The Bigma looks pretty good.

Dave

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 From the North end of the golden gate bridge, shot with the Bigma on the K-x

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Re: A couple of backlogged PESOs

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling

 Actually the pictures look pretty good, the Bigma just looks humongous.

On 10/7/2010 12:05 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

The Bigma looks pretty good.

Dave

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 From the North end of the golden gate bridge, shot with the Bigma on the K-x

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A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert

 Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer 
for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  
Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a 
pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access 
behind the scenes.  Given the collective years of experience on the 
list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to 
capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to 
look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.


Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events 
of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible 
photographer would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I 
was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook 
and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.


So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly 
hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the 
campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early 
stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a 
potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared 
toward making the subject look as good as I can?


As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward 
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a 
photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.


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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Jeffery Smith
My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you see 
on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in without 
drawing attention to yourself when possible.

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a 
 couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never 
 done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage 
 point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given 
 the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone 
 has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events 
 of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.
 
 Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of 
 this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would 
 be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this press 
 pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really 
 enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.
 
 So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly 
 hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign 
 trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my 
 development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection 
 for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject 
 look as good as I can?
 
 As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting 
 the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd 
 appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.
 
 -- Walt
 
 
 
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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread John
 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I've wanted to catch one of these fellows for a while now. 

Dragonflies will pose for you. Really. Just get close to their perch and pop 
your flash at them once, maybe twice. They may fly away, but not far, and will 
soon return to the same perch, so keep focused on it.

They, being predators of smaller flying insects, will for a time stay close to 
a new light source which might attract smaller insects and provide them an easy 
meal. Or maybe they just think the flash is cool.

Works 66.66 percent of the time, the failures I attribute to anti-social 
dragonfly disorder, or a full bug tummy.

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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Igor Roshchin


Thu Oct 7 07:28:34 CDT 2010
Doug Franklin wrote:

 On 2010-10-07 2:55, Bob W wrote:
  [...]
  But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some
  photos
  look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
  1920 x 1200 on 24.

That's why what looks ok on 4x6 prints might not be blown up to
8x12.

 
  you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps
  backward...
 
 True, but one typically doesn't.  Your display is where and what it is. 
   Until some disrupting element arrives, you typically live with the 
 setup you have, rather than messing about with it.  It really makes me 
 wonder about some of the too fuzzy versus sharp enough judgments I've 
 made about my photos over the years.

Well, if you want to make a more precise judgement, you should do
pixel-peeping at the level when each pixel is almost discernible 
by the eye. :-)


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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 10/7/2010 8:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
 One ping over the line, sweet Jesus, one ping over the line
 Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
 Waiting for the thread that's about photos, sweet Mary
 Puns and cormorants are out of line
 Posting to PDML on my home workstation, one ping over the line
 
 Larry has lost it...

That's the best news I've had all day. I didn't know that I ever had it.

 
 :-)
 
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Re: Special ping

2010-10-07 Thread John Francis

There is no one answer - the Atlantic divides style as well as substance.

(Or, as Larry Wall would have it, There's more than one way to do it).
(Or, as the alternative suggests, There's more than one way to do it.)


On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:32:13AM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:
   Say, that reminds me; someone needs to update the style manuals to  
 include a chapter on the placement of emoticons in relation to  
 punctuation marks.

 On 10/7/2010 10:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
 On 10/7/2010 5:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 Everybody's an editor

 Right, just like everybody's suggesting their own crop :-).

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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Bob W wrote:
 [...]
  But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some
 photos
  look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
  1920 x 1200 on 24.
 
 you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps backward...

Why stop there?  It's amazing how much better some images look
when viewed from a couple of rooms away.


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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
  I prefer drinking.  It works on live subjects as well as digital 
renderings, and doesn't change with proximity.


On 10/7/2010 12:08 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Bob W wrote:

[...]

But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some

photos

look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
1920 x 1200 on 24.

you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps backward...

Why stop there?  It's amazing how much better some images look
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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 03:24:12AM +0200, eckinator wrote:
 2010/10/6 John Celio n...@neovenator.com:
 
  I think what Pentax needs to do now is put some sort of notice flyer in
  the box with their SDM lenses. ?It would say that prolonged non-use
  depletes the lens' stored charge, and to do what the service manager
  described above if the lens' drive won't respond. ?They should also send
  this flyer to all registered SDM lens owners. ?Some people would be glad
  to know this info, I'm sure, even though it might create some minor bad
  PR for Pentax for a short time.
 
 It wasn't marked as off record. I think we're free to suggest that to them.
 Ecke

It still sounds like snake oil to me.

 If the camera body is capable of delivering enough current to move a
fairly heavy mechanical assembly fast enough to auto-focus, it should
be able to charge up any purely electronic circuitry in milliseconds,
not in minutes.


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Re: Off list for a while - and why

2010-10-07 Thread Miserere
Hi Barbarann!

Only just saw this message. My most sincere condolences to you on this
painful loss. My oldest friendship is from the age of 12, and even
though we're thousands of miles apart, I'd be distraught if I lost
him.

It was fun to flip through your photos together (but I will confess to
a moment of geekiness when I said Ann's got an LX around her neck!);
I bet Barb's daughter and son will really appreciate this pictures of
you and their mum.

All the best,


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On 5 October 2010 12:06, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 My  oldest (in terms of years known) and one of two of my very dearest
 closest long term friends passed away on Friday ... so I'm off to Chicago to
 her home and family One of the reasons I could talk myself into the expense
 of the photo show at the Dank last spring was my concern that there would no
 be many more opportunities to be with her in person... the show became a
 reason to go to Chicago so Barb
 wouldn't think I was just hurrying to get there before she passed on... one
 had hoped  things were not as dire as they sounded from
 her daughter -- Barb always minimalized her troubles and was a real trooper
 ... She appreciated our lists penchant for puns and herself
 invented a few wonderful shaggy-dog groaners.

 No, not the big C - but enough other stuff to cause her to be in and out of
 hospital for a few months and cause her a lot of discomfort.

 While I was biting my nails waiting to see if my photo got in she said But
 you are coming anyway arent you? naturally, I was.

 How many of us can claim to still be friends and in touch with someone from
 childhood at my age? (gonna be 74 in December)
 Particularly sad for me not just for the loss of her friendship but to think
 of her only being two years my senior ...
 Her son Johnny took our photo in May and  said I should make a grouping of
 photos of the two of us  - so I did that for him on
 my web page...  he took the one of us last May.
 I've spent the last couple of days gathering more snaps from the past at her
 daughter's request to be displayed at the wake... it
 seems that is something of a fashion these days...

 I won't really be _in_ Chicago ... except to get to the communter rail to
 take me to the far burbs - I'll be taking the long way around
 returning (bus and trains) so if I can manage it at all I'll get to see a
 couple of you .
 Happily, my young roomie  will take care of Ashley .

 The gallery on my web page with vintage photos is called Barb and Barb
 Yeah, I was  _nee_ Barbara Ann... and is in the Friends and Family section
 - if you are curious...

 Sometimes my direct off-list mail doesnt get to people (something to do with
 my server) so Frank and Paul Stenquist - write me off list will ya? you both
 should have had email from me.

 I hope to at least get a cuppa with Christine and I'm going to pick up my
 photo and the one I traded for from Dank House

 I'll stay on list long enough to answer  stuff - but you can see why I've
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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread eckinator
2010/10/7 John Francis jo...@panix.com:

 It still sounds like snake oil to me.

  If the camera body is capable of delivering enough current to move a
 fairly heavy mechanical assembly fast enough to auto-focus, it should
 be able to charge up any purely electronic circuitry in milliseconds,
 not in minutes.

I believe him. Gut feeling. Plus he is a tech and not a salesperson.

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PDML Paris?

2010-10-07 Thread Rick Womer
Hi team,

I've tacked a couple of days onto a business trip to Paris next month to be a 
tourist and do some shooting.

Is anyone free Tues 9 Nov or Wed 10 Nov?  Contact me on or off list.

Cheers,

Rick

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:02 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 I like the first one.

I favor the first one too.  good use of desaturation, it lends a nice effect.


 
 Dave
 
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted
 
 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days
 
 stop me before I post again
 
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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:13 , Walter Gilbert wrote:

 I prefer drinking.  It works on live subjects as well as digital  
renderings, and doesn't change with proximity.



MARK!


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Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros

2010-10-07 Thread mike wilson

Mark Roberts wrote:


Whenever I can't think of a better reason for keeping a shot than how
cheap and easy it is to do so, I know that's a photograph that isn't
worth keeping.


Needs keeping.  In next year's book.

That was easy.

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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister

DC is regularly waxed poetic by the lobbyists.  :-)

On Oct 7, 2010, at 08:12 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Funny, youI wouldn't think that taking photos of national monuments  
would lead be a /hairy/ situation.


On 10/6/2010 9:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Tom,
Very pubic and recognizable places, but still a nice collection.
Your pictures make the place look very charming and powerful.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com  wrote:
I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks  
ago

and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

Taken with the Sony NEX5.

http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298




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Re: PAW39 - Sunset

2010-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:07 , DagT wrote:


http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200



Better than Stonehenge!

For some reason makes me think of 2001: A Space Odyssey.


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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread Jeffery Smith
This one did some SERIOUS posing.

http://tinyurl.com/2fef2fz

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:51 AM, John wrote:

  frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I've wanted to catch one of these fellows for a while now. 
 
 Dragonflies will pose for you. Really. Just get close to their perch and pop 
 your flash at them once, maybe twice. They may fly away, but not far, and 
 will soon return to the same perch, so keep focused on it.
 
 They, being predators of smaller flying insects, will for a time stay close 
 to a new light source which might attract smaller insects and provide them an 
 easy meal. Or maybe they just think the flash is cool.
 
 Works 66.66 percent of the time, the failures I attribute to anti-social 
 dragonfly disorder, or a full bug tummy.
 
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Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!

2010-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
It's a great shot. And not just the ball coming at you at 90 mph.  
Lining up the players from catcher to center field! Just droolin' a bit.


And I thought my timing in catching the ball right after they were hit  
and were still be in the frame was a triumph. You got  me beat. Seats  
too!



On Oct 3, 2010, at 15:14 , Charles Robinson wrote:

Well, I tried it over 3 pitches... but I was shooting with my finger  
poised on the shutter button and pressing it manually at the rate I  
thought was appropriate.


I find that when I machine-gun the shots using the rapid-fire mode  
of the camera, I lose track of focus and also start moving the  
camera, which makes only 1-2 of 7 shots even be sharp.


So, out of 10-12 shots, I got two which had the ball in the middle  
like this - and this was just the better of the two shots.


-Charles


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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread Ken Waller

Catch them on a cold morning and you can fill a card with them.

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- Original Message - 
From: John jmusta...@suddenlink.net

Subject: Re: PESO - Dragonfly



 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

I've wanted to catch one of these fellows for a while now.


Dragonflies will pose for you. Really. Just get close to their perch and 
pop your flash at them once, maybe twice. They may fly away, but not far, 
and will soon return to the same perch, so keep focused on it.


They, being predators of smaller flying insects, will for a time stay 
close to a new light source which might attract smaller insects and 
provide them an easy meal. Or maybe they just think the flash is cool.


Works 66.66 percent of the time, the failures I attribute to anti-social 
dragonfly disorder, or a full bug tummy.


JM

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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Ken Waller

Well, if you want to make a more precise judgement, you should do
pixel-peeping at the level when each pixel is almost discernible
by the eye. :-)


!00% is my normal check for focus confirmation.

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- Original Message - 
From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org

Subject: Re: Resolution Anecdote





Thu Oct 7 07:28:34 CDT 2010
Doug Franklin wrote:


On 2010-10-07 2:55, Bob W wrote:
 [...]
 But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some
 photos
 look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
 1920 x 1200 on 24.


That's why what looks ok on 4x6 prints might not be blown up to
8x12.



 you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps
 backward...

True, but one typically doesn't.  Your display is where and what it is.
  Until some disrupting element arrives, you typically live with the
setup you have, rather than messing about with it.  It really makes me
wonder about some of the too fuzzy versus sharp enough judgments I've
made about my photos over the years.


Well, if you want to make a more precise judgement, you should do
pixel-peeping at the level when each pixel is almost discernible
by the eye. :-)


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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
It's amazing how much better some images look when viewed from a couple of 
rooms away.


Mark !

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- Original Message - 
From: John Francis jo...@panix.com


Subject: Re: Resolution Anecdote



On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Bob W wrote:

[...]
 But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some
photos
 look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
 1920 x 1200 on 24.

you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps 
backward...


Why stop there?  It's amazing how much better some images look
when viewed from a couple of rooms away.



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Re: Resolution Anecdote

2010-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
  I prefer drinking.  It works on live subjects as well as digital 
renderings, and doesn't change with proximity.


But it does depend somewhat on the size of the bottle.

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- Original Message - 
From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Resolution Anecdote


  I prefer drinking.  It works on live subjects as well as digital 
renderings, and doesn't change with proximity.


On 10/7/2010 12:08 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Bob W wrote:

[...]

But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some

photos

look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at
1920 x 1200 on 24.
you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps 
backward...

Why stop there?  It's amazing how much better some images look
when viewed from a couple of rooms away.



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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Tom C
Fair enough.  My general intent was to show it, hopefully, for the
most part, in a different light.

If I'd come away with images, that evoked the response, I've seen
that before, boring, (yawn) yadayadayada, I'd be disappointed. :-)

Thank you for taking the time to look and comment,

Tom



On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/7/2010 2:30 PM, Tom C wrote:

 Boris,

 Your opinions are appreciated, well maybe. :-)  Compositions are
 intended, and to my memory colors are fairly accurate. Many shots
 taken several hours before noon. I deliberately isolated the
 architectural elements, in most cases providing little context.
 because to me it often looked very classical Greco-Roman in style, and
 that is what I intended to show.

 I was not apprehensive, why would I be?  I think you reading far too
 much between the pixels.

 As far as my camera and I learning about one another, I don't
 understand how you arrive at that judgement. I shoot with the NEX5
 just like any other camera, and if I found there was a large learning
 curve where I had to adjust for the performance of the camera in some
 way other than I already do, I'd chuck it

 Tom

 Absolutely, Tom. It was my /impression/ that I made by looking at web size
 pictures on my (uncalibrated) monitor at work. It is therefore only logical
 that I might have made a mistake.

 Your Greco-Roman intent did not come through to me and I went out trying
 to read between the pixels.

 Like I said, I am offering you my impression, not my judgment.

 Boris

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman

On 10/7/2010 7:08 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

 http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted

 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

 stop me before I post again

 enjoy


Doug, I think that the second picture would have been more successful if
both Ted's eyes were in sharp focus.


Ted would be more successful if both his eyes were in sharp focus.

hee, hee ... runs  hides

;-D

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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 October 2010 04:18, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe him. Gut feeling. Plus he is a tech and not a salesperson.

From an engineering perspective it really does sound like utter BS,
you're free to believe him and he might believe it himself but that
doesn't mean that it's true or accurate.

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread David Parsons
So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality
of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very
early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it
as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots
geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?

It will depend on what your viewpoint is.  What would you want to have
in your portfolio?


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,

 I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a
 couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never
 done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage
 point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given
 the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone
 has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at
 events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional
 advice, etc.

 Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of
 this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer
 would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this
 press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and
 really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.

 So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly
 hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign
 trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my
 development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential
 connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making
 the subject look as good as I can?

 As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting
 the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd
 appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.

 -- Walt



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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread Jack Davis
Ya' nailed him! Lack of color contrast between the rock and Dragonfly allow 
them to sort of mesh. I'm with you, the macro would have come in handy.
Been away for the past 10 days and just began to skim through 469 emails.

Jack

--- On Thu, 10/7/10, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO - Dragonfly
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:56 AM
 I've wanted to catch one of these
 fellows for a while now.  Sadly, I
 was unprepared, having only a (not-so-sharp) zoom and no
 monopod with
 me.  If only I'd have had my macro...
 
 Still, I'm satisfied enough with it to post it:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/dragonfly.html
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
 *istD, Sigma 50-200 f3.5 zoom, handheld.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
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OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Keeney
I'm in the market for a simple/basic tripod (read: used, cheap).  It
will probably only get used 1 time per year (unless I can get myself
motivated).

I found one at an online auction site but don't know much about the
brand (seems like it might be an Australian company?).

Does anyone know anything about this...

  Velbon CX 540 PH-656Q

Thanks!!!

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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling
 Techs? More honest than sales?  Hell, I'm a software engineer, I 
learned early on that if you can't blind them with brilliance, you've 
got to baffle them with bullshit.  Truth is for when all else fails...


On 10/7/2010 1:18 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/10/7 John Francisjo...@panix.com:

It still sounds like snake oil to me.

  If the camera body is capable of delivering enough current to move a
fairly heavy mechanical assembly fast enough to auto-focus, it should
be able to charge up any purely electronic circuitry in milliseconds,
not in minutes.

I believe him. Gut feeling. Plus he is a tech and not a salesperson.




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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling
 It's important to know what you're trying to accomplish.  Do you want 
to show candidates interacting with whatever crowd might be there, and 
tell an actual story of the campaign or cover a debate?  Each of those 
requires a different approach.  If you're trying to tell the whole 
story, then crowd shots might be important, so finding a spot to camp 
out isn't the best strategy, if you just want to show the candidates 
then you find a perch with an unobstructed view, and choose the proper 
focal length to get the image you want, and shoot away.  If you're going 
to cover a debate, you'll need to find a place where you can catch both 
candidates, (or more if there are more), in the same frame.


On 10/7/2010 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer 
for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  
Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a 
pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some 
access behind the scenes.  Given the collective years of experience on 
the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to 
capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what 
to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.


Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting 
events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible 
photographer would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, 
I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on 
Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me 
as much.


So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an 
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality 
of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very 
early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it 
as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots 
geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?


As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward 
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a 
photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.


-- Walt






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In these shoes...

2010-10-07 Thread Roman Melihhov
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20101007234507

^^^ K20D + DA 16-45mm again. Amazing how junk becomes habitat for some
other living forms.



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RE: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread John Sessoms

From: Ed Keeney

I'm in the market for a simple/basic tripod (read: used, cheap).  It
will probably only get used 1 time per year (unless I can get myself
motivated).

I found one at an online auction site but don't know much about the
brand (seems like it might be an Australian company?).

Does anyone know anything about this...

  Velbon CX 540 PH-656Q



Not sturdy enough. You'll end up spending more later to get a GOOD 
tripod. Better to apply your limited funds to that task the first time 
around.


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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread Miserere
On 7 October 2010 16:36, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

  Truth is for when all else fails...

MARK!


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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Not sturdy enough. You'll end up spending more later to get a GOOD 
 tripod. Better to apply your limited funds to that task the first time
 around.

Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod? How
many times have we all been told that there is no such thing as a cheap
*and* decent tripod? Has it ever kept anyone of us from buying all this
worthless crap?

Let me try this: get a second-hand cheap tripod. You'll want to get rid
of it soon enough anyhow and you'll cut your losses.

One more tip: there's also lots of expensive crap, e.g. stay away from
everything with tubular legs and the name Manfrotto written on it. 

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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread eckinator
I'd better let this go as I am out of my depth on the technical part
of it. All I know is there are things slower and faster to charge than
two minutes and that I am a tech myself and bullshit has never been
more than a last resort for me. But I'm not much of a faith discusser.
Ecke

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, Jeffery.

I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on 
packing a giant piece of glass with me.  Most likely, I'll take my 
70-300 f/4-5.6, my 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a just in case for 
anything else that might be going on that I don't have the reach for.


-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you see 
on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in without 
drawing attention to yourself when possible.

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:


Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a 
couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never done 
this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point 
for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given the 
collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any 
tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this 
nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.

Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this 
nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be 
greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass 
by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it 
-- or at least she told me as much.

So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed 
photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign trail in a 
consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my development as a 
photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities 
by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?

As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the 
proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate 
any guidance anyone can offer me.

-- Walt



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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread Larry Colen



On 10/07/2010 02:11 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:


Not sturdy enough. You'll end up spending more later to get a GOOD
tripod. Better to apply your limited funds to that task the first time
around.


Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod? How
many times have we all been told that there is no such thing as a cheap
*and* decent tripod? Has it ever kept anyone of us from buying all this
worthless crap?


I made a very sturdy tripod base with about $50 worth of plumbing supplies.
It's not very portable, and weighs a lot though.



Let me try this: get a second-hand cheap tripod. You'll want to get rid
of it soon enough anyhow and you'll cut your losses.


A lot of it depends on what you want the tripod for.  If you just want 
something to hold the camera while you snap a group portrait on auto 
timer it doesn't matter a lot what you use.  If you're doing 30 second 
night exposures through a 300mm lens, then you need something a lot 
sturdier.


I've got a Velbon ultra lux i sf, which isn't nearly as sturdy as my 
bigger tripods, but I can take the head off and carry it in my camera 
bag, and an OK tripod that is with you can do a lot more good than the 
full size expensive tripod that is sitting in your trunk at the trail 
head, or in your closet at home.


I've found that what I use most of all is my benro mc66 m8 carbon fiber 
monopod. It was about $85 through link delight, fits in my backpack 
(with the head removed) and does wonders when I'm shooting down to about 
1/4 second.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Professional-BENRO-Carbon-Monopod-MC-66-M8-New-/310258664533




One more tip: there's also lots of expensive crap, e.g. stay away from
everything with tubular legs and the name Manfrotto written on it.


Meaning manfrotto gear without tubular legs is OK?



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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread David J Brooks
One suggestion is not to get all bent out of shape when the Nikon and
Canon shooters giggle at your Pentax.

They will, i've been there.

However i can still get photos from my Pentax gear published so i just
smile at them.;-)

Dave

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks, Jeffery.

 I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a
 giant piece of glass with me.  Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my
 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a just in case for anything else that
 might be going on that I don't have the reach for.

 -- Walt

 On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you
 see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in
 without drawing attention to yourself when possible.

 Jeffery


 On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for
 a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never
 done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage
 point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given
 the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone
 has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at
 events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional
 advice, etc.

 Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events
 of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer
 would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this
 press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and
 really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.

 So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly
 hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign
 trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my
 development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential
 connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making
 the subject look as good as I can?

 As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward
 getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer,
 I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.

 -- Walt



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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread P N Stenquist
Having just returned from a press conference with the governor,  
senator and president of GM, I'm moved to tell you that you'll  
probably be one in a pool of fifty or more photographers if the event  
your shooting is significant.  Most will have two cameras, one with a  
lens in the neighborhood of 80-200, the other with a 24-70 -- in full  
frame numbers. For me that would translate to the 60-250 or 50-135 and  
the 16-50. Most photogs will have a flash mounted on the camera with  
the shorter lens. The vast majority of them will gather in one spot  
and shoot with their long lens camera during the speeches, because  
there will probably not be many good vantage points from which to  
shoot the. At the end of the press conference, when the reporters are  
trying to get one on one interviews with the politicians, the  
photographers will all gather around with their short lenses and  
flashes. Many will shoot with live view from over their heads.


Do what everyone else does, then try a few different things. A fun pic  
can sometimes be had by getting behind the pol during the interview  
sessions and shooting the back of his head and all the cameras aimed  
at him. However, you have to try to squeeze a frame in between the  
flashes going off. If you can get a high vantage point, shoot the pol  
in the middle of the cluster from a distance with your longer lens.


Be prepared to be somewhat frustrated.

Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:


Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance  
photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate  
election.  Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume  
I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and  
maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given the collective years of  
experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on  
the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of  
this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice,  
etc.


Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting  
events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible  
photographer would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of  
background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen  
my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least  
she told me as much.


So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an  
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the  
reality of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or,  
given the very early stage of my development as a photographer,  
should I approach it as a potential connection for future job  
opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look  
as good as I can?


As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward  
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a  
photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.


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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
  True enough, David.  I can see the benefit to having both types, 
really.  And I suppose it's possible to get whatever you're looking for 
if you're lucky.  But, given my lack of experience, I hate to shoot 
myself out of a future opportunity by producing the wrong material.  I 
mean, when it all shakes out, the guy I'm taking pictures of is most 
likely going to be a US senator.


My thinking at this point is that my main focus ought to be creating 
more opportunities to take more shots at events of this sort, thus 
building a more substantial portfolio.  That'll require doing what I can 
to ingratiate myself to the people who gave me the press pass.  And 
they're obviously going to want candidate-friendly shots.  They're also 
going to want copies of the shots when I'm finished.


Where I'm conflicted, though, is the idea of establishing myself as a 
fluff peddler and creating expectations along those lines for the future 
when similar opportunities arise.


Thanks for the input.  I'm going to have to do a lot more noodling on 
this for the next six days.


-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 3:28 PM, David Parsons wrote:

So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality
of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very
early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it
as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots
geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?

It will depend on what your viewpoint is.  What would you want to have
in your portfolio?


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a
couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never
done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage
point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given
the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone
has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at
events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional
advice, etc.

Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of
this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer
would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this
press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and
really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.

So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly
hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign
trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my
development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential
connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making
the subject look as good as I can?

As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting
the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd
appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.

-- Walt



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2010-10-07 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Well, I got the desired 17/3.5 Tokina from a PDML member.  Tx.
Will be giving it a workout this weekend.

I've been shooting some with the old 35-200 Tokina.
If only it focused close.
Like within 5 feet.  It's sharp, but frustrating.

Now I'm wanting just one more thing for the DSLR.
A type extension tubes.
Haven't seen any on eBay.

If anyone is interested, I have available:
Cosmicar A 28/2.8 ($25)
SMC Pentax-A 50/2 ($30)
Sigma 100-300 DL zoom Pentax AF 4.5-6.7 ($75)
Minolta Auto Meter III ($75)
Takumar (Bayonet) 135/2.5.  Needs aperture cleaned.  ($20)
Tamron Adaptall-2 PK mount.  ($25)

and probably more stuff as I slowly and steadily clean out my basement.

Sincerely, 

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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling
 When I was 16 years old, my Grandmother knew I was into photography 
and gave me a Tripod for my Birthday or Christmas, I can't remember 
which really.  It was/is very light, made with aluminum tubing, but real 
cast metal fittings and camera stage, (not the best, metal, the crank to 
raise and lower the center post broke somewhere i don't remember exactly 
how, but there was obviously a flaw the casting).  I still use it when I 
need a light tripod.  It's a lot sturdier than any modern tripod in the 
same weight class, and while I wouldn't expect it to hold a 600mm lens, 
even the Vivitar Solid Cat is too much for it.  It does a creditable job 
with a lightweight, (and with Pentax is there any other kind), camera 
and lens combo, (up to the A*300mm f4.0)..  Now true I use it partly 
because of the sentimental attachment, but I really haven't found 
anything else that would really replace it.


On 10/7/2010 5:11 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:


Not sturdy enough. You'll end up spending more later to get a GOOD
tripod. Better to apply your limited funds to that task the first time
around.

Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod? How
many times have we all been told that there is no such thing as a cheap
*and* decent tripod? Has it ever kept anyone of us from buying all this
worthless crap?

Let me try this: get a second-hand cheap tripod. You'll want to get rid
of it soon enough anyhow and you'll cut your losses.

One more tip: there's also lots of expensive crap, e.g. stay away from
everything with tubular legs and the name Manfrotto written on it.

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, P.J.

I do plan on getting shots of the candidate interacting with the crowd.  
It won't be a debate, but there will be other pols there.  Just about 
every jack-leg politician running in this cycle will be somewhere in the 
vicinity, I'm sure.  I'd like to capture more impromptu shots of their 
interactions, if possible.  I don't particularly enjoy looking at 
fundraiser-type photo ops with someone shaking the hand of a politician 
while staring straight at the camera, so I can't imagine I'd enjoy 
taking those kinds of shots.  As things stand, my plan is to do quite a 
bit of moving around rather than staying tangled up with the gaggle of 
other photographers there.


I never quite understood why photographers do that, by the way, unless 
they're kept contained to a certain area.  It always struck me as the 
equivalent of taking school pictures with a telephoto lens.  I don't 
quite see the point.  Hopefully, I won't have those kinds of 
constraints.  I'll just have to wait and see, and do the best with what 
I've got, I guess.


-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 3:46 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 It's important to know what you're trying to accomplish.  Do you want 
to show candidates interacting with whatever crowd might be there, and 
tell an actual story of the campaign or cover a debate?  Each of those 
requires a different approach.  If you're trying to tell the whole 
story, then crowd shots might be important, so finding a spot to camp 
out isn't the best strategy, if you just want to show the candidates 
then you find a perch with an unobstructed view, and choose the proper 
focal length to get the image you want, and shoot away.  If you're 
going to cover a debate, you'll need to find a place where you can 
catch both candidates, (or more if there are more), in the same frame.


On 10/7/2010 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer 
for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  
Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a 
pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some 
access behind the scenes.  Given the collective years of experience 
on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way 
to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- 
what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.


Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting 
events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible 
photographer would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of 
background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my 
work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she 
told me as much.


So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an 
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality 
of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the 
very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I 
approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by 
taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?


As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward 
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a 
photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.


-- Walt









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RE: PDML Paris?

2010-10-07 Thread Bob W
 
 Hi team,
 
 I've tacked a couple of days onto a business trip to Paris next month to
be a
 tourist and do some shooting.
 
 Is anyone free Tues 9 Nov or Wed 10 Nov?  Contact me on or off list.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rick
 

wish I could. I'll see what the appetite at work is for me taking days off
work - still at an early stage in the new job.

B


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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 11:11:15PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
 
 Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod? How
 many times have we all been told that there is no such thing as a cheap
 *and* decent tripod? Has it ever kept anyone of us from buying all this
 worthless crap?

First?  Maybe not.  But I'm still using a (fairly cheap) Slik tripod that
I bought something like thirty (or more) years ago. I keep promising myself
that I'll get a better tripod one of these days, but I never get round to it.
But as I probably only use it once every couple of years there are always
better things to spend the photography budget allowance on.

It depends on the sort of photography you do. If I used a tripod more, I'd
probably have a nicer one by now.


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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
  If they give me too much grief, I'll just look at their gear and ask 
them, So ... what's with the flash?  I've never had to use one of those 
with my K-x.  What's it like?


-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 4:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

One suggestion is not to get all bent out of shape when the Nikon and
Canon shooters giggle at your Pentax.

They will, i've been there.

However i can still get photos from my Pentax gear published so i just
smile at them.;-)

Dave

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  Thanks, Jeffery.

I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a
giant piece of glass with me.  Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my
18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a just in case for anything else that
might be going on that I don't have the reach for.

-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you
see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in
without drawing attention to yourself when possible.

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:


Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for
a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never
done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage
point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  Given
the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone
has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at
events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional
advice, etc.

Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events
of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer
would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted this
press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and
really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.

So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly
hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign
trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my
development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential
connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making
the subject look as good as I can?

As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer,
I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.

-- Walt



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Re: SDM / parts availability

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 October 2010 08:14, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd better let this go as I am out of my depth on the technical part
 of it. All I know is there are things slower and faster to charge than
 two minutes and that I am a tech myself and bullshit has never been
 more than a last resort for me. But I'm not much of a faith discusser.

There are very few things that would require minutes to charge that
aren't part of a time constant in a circuit, in other words any
circuit that is power or control related will generally have
negligible if any delay related to the electrical charging of
components other than in the case of rechargeable battery devices.

I would be extremely surprised if there was any kind of battery or
supercap integrated in the SDM circuitry of any Pentax lens (and from
what I've seem of the occasional one broken down on the web they
contain nothing of the sort). I wonder if the techs comments are due
to some kind of gross language translation error?

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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
2010/10/8 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:

 Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod? How
 many times have we all been told that there is no such thing as a cheap
 *and* decent tripod? Has it ever kept anyone of us from buying all this
 worthless crap?

My first real tripod (bought in the late 80's) was a Manfrotto 055 and
if I hadn't sold it after I purchased my Carbon tripods a few years
back (which was basically a clone of the 055 in dimensions) I guess I
would still be using it to this day.

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Mark Roberts
P N Stenquist wrote:

Be prepared to be somewhat frustrated.

Good advice for *all* photography!
;-)


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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
  Thanks for the advice, Paul!  I doubt there'll be quite that many 
photographers at this event.  It's a relatively small town that just 
happens to be the hub of commerce and population center for this part of 
the state -- and is pretty crucial to getting elected here.


I don't expect I'll get too frustrated.  I'll spend a lot of time 
observing what the other photogs do, if not emulating them.  I'm 
planning on taking an 18-55 and a 70-300 with a 2X TC, and figure I 
ought to be able to cover quite a bit of ground with all that.  I do 
intend to get as many fun shots as I can -- unusual perspectives and 
candid moments if at all possible.  I don't want to come out of the 
event with a SD card full of the same-ol'-same-ol'.  I'll be shooting 
RAW, of course, and will burn those to DVD as soon as I get in for the 
evening.  Then, I'll import the whole shebang and commence with the 
cropping and color adjustments.  I figure, after a few days, I ought to 
be able to put together a nice collection to hand over to the event's 
organizers so they'll keep me in mind for future events.


Thanks again for your perspective.  I'm starting to get a handle on how 
I think I'll approach things, now.


-- Walt

On 10/7/2010 4:49 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Having just returned from a press conference with the governor, 
senator and president of GM, I'm moved to tell you that you'll 
probably be one in a pool of fifty or more photographers if the event 
your shooting is significant.  Most will have two cameras, one with a 
lens in the neighborhood of 80-200, the other with a 24-70 -- in full 
frame numbers. For me that would translate to the 60-250 or 50-135 and 
the 16-50. Most photogs will have a flash mounted on the camera with 
the shorter lens. The vast majority of them will gather in one spot 
and shoot with their long lens camera during the speeches, because 
there will probably not be many good vantage points from which to 
shoot the. At the end of the press conference, when the reporters are 
trying to get one on one interviews with the politicians, the 
photographers will all gather around with their short lenses and 
flashes. Many will shoot with live view from over their heads.


Do what everyone else does, then try a few different things. A fun pic 
can sometimes be had by getting behind the pol during the interview 
sessions and shooting the back of his head and all the cameras aimed 
at him. However, you have to try to squeeze a frame in between the 
flashes going off. If you can get a high vantage point, shoot the pol 
in the middle of the cluster from a distance with your longer lens.


Be prepared to be somewhat frustrated.

Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:


Hi all,

I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer 
for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  
Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a 
pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some 
access behind the scenes.  Given the collective years of experience 
on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way 
to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- 
what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc.


Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting 
events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible 
photographer would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of 
background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my 
work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she 
told me as much.


So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an 
ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality 
of the campaign trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the 
very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I 
approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by 
taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?


As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward 
getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a 
photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.


-- Walt



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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread steve harley

On 2010-10-07 15:11 , Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Is there anyone around here who is still using his first tripod?


yeah, i bought my first tripod at a yard sale around 20 years ago; i 
think i paid $10


don't even know the brand since the legs have been wrapped in duct tape 
since i bought it, but at least one pro photographer has offered to buy 
it on sight; it's a heavy, basic pan-tilt model but it is tall and 
strong; it does fine with my heaviest lens (SMC-M 85-210)


recently i found a Slik 300dx for $9 at a thrift store; it is more 
flexible, easier to use, a little lighter, and not as tall, but it looks 
like it will last forever too (at my very modest rate of tripod use)


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Re: PESO - Dragonfly

2010-10-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's a great shot.  The muted colors of the rock and the fly give it
a nice look.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Ya' nailed him! Lack of color contrast between the rock and Dragonfly allow 
 them to sort of mesh. I'm with you, the macro would have come in handy.
 Been away for the past 10 days and just began to skim through 469 emails.

 Jack

 --- On Thu, 10/7/10, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO - Dragonfly
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:56 AM
 I've wanted to catch one of these
 fellows for a while now.  Sadly, I
 was unprepared, having only a (not-so-sharp) zoom and no
 monopod with
 me.  If only I'd have had my macro...

 Still, I'm satisfied enough with it to post it:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/dragonfly.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

 *istD, Sigma 50-200 f3.5 zoom, handheld.

 cheers,
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Re: OT: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread eckinator
2010/10/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

  When I was 16 years old, my Grandmother knew I was into photography and
 gave me a Tripod for my Birthday or Christmas, I can't remember which
 really.  It was/is very light, made with aluminum tubing, but real cast
 metal fittings and camera stage, (not the best, metal, the crank to raise
 and lower the center post broke somewhere i don't remember exactly how, but
 there was obviously a flaw the casting).  I still use it when I need a light
 tripod.  It's a lot sturdier than any modern tripod in the same weight
 class, and while I wouldn't expect it to hold a 600mm lens, even the Vivitar
 Solid Cat is too much for it.  It does a creditable job with a lightweight,
 (and with Pentax is there any other kind), camera and lens combo, (up to the
 A*300mm f4.0)..  Now true I use it partly because of the sentimental
 attachment, but I really haven't found anything else that would really
 replace it.

kind of like my tiltall except i no longer use it now that I have a quadropod
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OT: Cap'n Jack

2010-10-07 Thread Bob W
They've been shooting a new Pirates of the Caribbean film here in Greenwich
for weeks. It's a closed set so we don't get to see much, but from time to
time everything comes to a halt while hundreds of people dressed in 18th
century costume cross the road. 

One of the pirates dropped in on a local school today to lead a munity.
There's a nice little story and video about it here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11493676




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Re: Tripod Info

2010-10-07 Thread Ken Waller

Check out KEH http://www.keh.com/ they sell both new  used tripods.

But why bother if you're only going to use it once a year.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com

Subject: OT: Tripod Info



I'm in the market for a simple/basic tripod (read: used, cheap).  It
will probably only get used 1 time per year (unless I can get myself
motivated).

I found one at an online auction site but don't know much about the
brand (seems like it might be an Australian company?).

Does anyone know anything about this...

 Velbon CX 540 PH-656Q

Thanks!!!

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Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington

2010-10-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Gentlemen,
My intention was to complement Tom on these photos.
I did the normal tourist trips to Washington DC,
plus many more visiting my daughter there in college.
Getting a good picture that doesn't look like a cliche is hard.
I think Tom achieved that.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:12 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
  Funny, youI wouldn't think that taking photos of national monuments would
 lead be a /hairy/ situation.

 On 10/6/2010 9:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Tom,
 Very pubic and recognizable places, but still a nice collection.
 Your pictures make the place look very charming and powerful.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com  wrote:

 I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago
 and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall.

 Taken with the Sony NEX5.

 http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298

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Re: PESO - Two shots of Ted

2010-10-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Doug,
Nice character studies...
And thanks Ted for those bushy eyebrows and mustache.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/two-shots-of-ted

 i'm outta control here; two peso's in a couple days

 stop me before I post again

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread Jeffery Smith
That's a very good point. I (personally) think that flashes turn just about 
everything into a snapshot. So while all of others are blasting away with 
flashes, I'm more likely to be shooting at f/2 without a flash. I only own two 
flashes (a Pentax ringflash, and a Leica flash for a Leica rangefinder) and 
don't use either.

Jeffery


On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  If they give me too much grief, I'll just look at their gear and ask them, 
 So ... what's with the flash?  I've never had to use one of those with my 
 K-x.  What's it like?
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 10/7/2010 4:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
 One suggestion is not to get all bent out of shape when the Nikon and
 Canon shooters giggle at your Pentax.
 
 They will, i've been there.
 
 However i can still get photos from my Pentax gear published so i just
 smile at them.;-)
 
 Dave
 
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:
  Thanks, Jeffery.
 
 I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a
 giant piece of glass with me.  Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my
 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a just in case for anything else that
 might be going on that I don't have the reach for.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you
 see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in
 without drawing attention to yourself when possible.
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for
 a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having 
 never
 done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent 
 vantage
 point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes.  
 Given
 the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if 
 anyone
 has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at
 events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional
 advice, etc.
 
 Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events
 of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer
 would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted 
 this
 press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and
 really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.
 
 So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly
 hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign
 trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my
 development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential
 connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward 
 making
 the subject look as good as I can?
 
 As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward
 getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer,
 I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.
 
 -- Walt
 
 
 
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OT (well sort of) Map of Online Communities

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
http://xkcd.com/802/?ref=nf

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Re: A brain-picking request

2010-10-07 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks for the advice, Paul!  I doubt there'll be quite that many 
 photographers at this event.  It's a relatively small town that just happens 
 to be the hub of commerce and population center for this part of the state -- 
 and is pretty crucial to getting elected here.
 
 I don't expect I'll get too frustrated.  I'll spend a lot of time observing 
 what the other photogs do, if not emulating them.  I'm planning on taking an 
 18-55 and a 70-300 with a 2X TC, and figure I ought to be able to cover quite 
 a bit of ground with all that.  I do intend to get as many fun shots as I can 
 -- unusual perspectives and candid moments if at all possible.  I don't want 
 to come out of the event with a SD card full of the same-ol'-same-ol'.  I'll 
 be shooting RAW, of course, and will burn those to DVD as soon as I get in 
 for the evening.  Then, I'll import the whole shebang and commence with the 
 cropping and color adjustments.  I figure, after a few days, I ought to be 
 able to put together a nice collection to hand over to the event's organizers 
 so they'll keep me in mind for future events.

If they're anything like the event organizers I've worked for, they'll want 
them in a few hours, because they'll be hoping to pass them along to 
newspapers. GM had photos of their Lake Orion press conference available online 
an hour after it ended. Small town aside, two or three days is not a good 
turnaround time. Shoot jpegs and turn them over as soon as possible.
Paul
 
 Thanks again for your perspective.  I'm starting to get a handle on how I 
 think I'll approach things, now.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 10/7/2010 4:49 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
 Having just returned from a press conference with the governor, senator and 
 president of GM, I'm moved to tell you that you'll probably be one in a pool 
 of fifty or more photographers if the event your shooting is significant.  
 Most will have two cameras, one with a lens in the neighborhood of 80-200, 
 the other with a 24-70 -- in full frame numbers. For me that would translate 
 to the 60-250 or 50-135 and the 16-50. Most photogs will have a flash 
 mounted on the camera with the shorter lens. The vast majority of them will 
 gather in one spot and shoot with their long lens camera during the 
 speeches, because there will probably not be many good vantage points from 
 which to shoot the. At the end of the press conference, when the reporters 
 are trying to get one on one interviews with the politicians, the 
 photographers will all gather around with their short lenses and flashes. 
 Many will shoot with live view from over their heads.
 
 Do what everyone else does, then try a few different things. A fun pic can 
 sometimes be had by getting behind the pol during the interview sessions and 
 shooting the back of his head and all the cameras aimed at him. However, you 
 have to try to squeeze a frame in between the flashes going off. If you can 
 get a high vantage point, shoot the pol in the middle of the cluster from a 
 distance with your longer lens.
 
 Be prepared to be somewhat frustrated.
 
 Paul
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a 
 couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election.  Having never 
 done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent 
 vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the 
 scenes.  Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought 
 I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, 
 compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical 
 and compositional advice, etc.
 
 Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of 
 this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer 
 would be greatly appreciated.  As a matter of background, I was granted 
 this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and 
 really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much.
 
 So, I have a bit of a dilemma.  Should I approach this as an ostensibly 
 hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the reality of the campaign 
 trail in a consequential election?  Or, given the very early stage of my 
 development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential 
 connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward 
 making the subject look as good as I can?
 
 As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting 
 the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd 
 appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me.
 
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Re: OT (well sort of) Map of Online Communities

2010-10-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
It's a great idea.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
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