OT: Can anyone work out what this is?
I considered one of my photos of this for the upcoming PUG. It's in a rather out-of-the-way graveyard on the West Coast that we had a quick look at last weekend. I can't figure out what it is or what it was used for. Given its shape and surroundings I assume it has something to do with burials. I seem to remember that the rod sticking downwards protrudes below the base (you can just see it in the centre of the near side). http://www.multi.net.nz/cemetery-thing/ Any ideas? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso's jays and pumkin
From last weekend back yard romp. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683533 Jay in tree, waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683534 Jay rewarded for waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683553 Pumpkin K10D, D FA 50-200 AF 360 for fill. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: December PUG - Time Running Out
On 11/25/2011 01:25, Christine Aguila wrote: Too funny, Brian! Thanks for the heads up. For this theme--ravages of time--I keep thinking of doing a self portrait! Cheers, Christine Christine - not only did I also want a deadline but had the same thought about a self-portrait. Or perhaps a photo of... well, nevermind, I could get in trouble :-) ann On Nov 24, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all So far we have 4 themed submissions plus one for the Open Gallery. Theme: The Ravages of Time Nominal Deadline (just for you, Christine): 30 November, but it will probably slip by a few days. Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure the image looks right on line. More detailed guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom on sale at Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?nm_mc=EMC-SD112011 $99 for Lightroom, plus $49 for Elements 10 if you buy them together. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's jays and pumkin
Dave, I don't really get the title on the last one. ?? I like the photos of the jays. We've been feeding them too. They beat the squirrels to the peanuts. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:31 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: From last weekend back yard romp. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683533 Jay in tree, waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683534 Jay rewarded for waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683553 Pumpkin K10D, D FA 50-200 AF 360 for fill. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Schumann
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683715 (K7, DA 50-200) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Can anyone work out what this is?
Is a puzzlement. Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: OT: Can anyone work out what this is? I considered one of my photos of this for the upcoming PUG. It's in a rather out-of-the-way graveyard on the West Coast that we had a quick look at last weekend. I can't figure out what it is or what it was used for. Given its shape and surroundings I assume it has something to do with burials. I seem to remember that the rod sticking downwards protrudes below the base (you can just see it in the centre of the near side). http://www.multi.net.nz/cemetery-thing/ Any ideas? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
From: Mark Roberts We're spending the weekend hiking in New Hampshire from one of the Appalachian Mountain Club's lodges. Here's a photo from the short walk we took today (I'm not sure how it'll look on line - I find BW photos really need a better-than-laptop conversion and post-processing): http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm The snow looks flat and texture-less to me. I can't see detail in the blacks. Not much mid-tones. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Can anyone work out what this is?
From: David Mann I considered one of my photos of this for the upcoming PUG. It's in a rather out-of-the-way graveyard on the West Coast that we had a quick look at last weekend. I can't figure out what it is or what it was used for. Given its shape and surroundings I assume it has something to do with burials. I seem to remember that the rod sticking downwards protrudes below the base (you can just see it in the centre of the near side). http://www.multi.net.nz/cemetery-thing/ Any ideas? The shape of the cutout mimics that of old coffins. There's not much to scale it by, but it appears to be sized for an infant's or a small child's coffin. Beyond that, I have not a clue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's jays and pumkin
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, I don't really get the title on the last one. ?? Its the pumpkin i grew this summer sitting on an old rotten stump out back./;-) I like the photos of the jays. We've been feeding them too. They beat the squirrels to the peanuts. I have seen some good fights over the peanuts stash. To bad they are all blurring, every one moves faster than 1/180.:-) Dave Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:31 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: From last weekend back yard romp. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683533 Jay in tree, waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683534 Jay rewarded for waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683553 Pumpkin K10D, D FA 50-200 AF 360 for fill. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
It looks great. Dave On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: We're spending the weekend hiking in New Hampshire from one of the Appalachian Mountain Club's lodges. Here's a photo from the short walk we took today (I'm not sure how it'll look on line - I find BW photos really need a better-than-laptop conversion and post-processing): http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
Wow, that's beautiful, Mark! Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Sent: November 24, 2011 11/24/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains We're spending the weekend hiking in New Hampshire from one of the Appalachian Mountain Club's lodges. Here's a photo from the short walk we took today (I'm not sure how it'll look on line - I find BW photos really need a better-than-laptop conversion and post-processing): http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - High Seas at South Haven
Awesome photos, Mark. I especially like #2, that huge wave crashing into the lighthouse. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com Sent: November 25, 2011 11/25/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: GESO - High Seas at South Haven Wow, these are great. Love the guy shot--really great there. Cheers, Christine/Chicago On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Mark C wrote: Last night I finally got around to editing some images I took at South Haven in mid October. The winds were not too wild and some windsurfers were out - so a few shots of one of them well as the lighthouse. This time I had the K5. I used a Sigma EX 70-200 f 2.8 for the more relaxed shots and a Sigma 135-500 f4.5-5.6 to get a little closer. I bought the 135-400 as a replacement for my Tokina 400 f5.6, which(sadly) got the fungus. This was the first real workout I gave the new lens and it's at least OK, might even be pretty good. (The 70-200 is great, IMO.) Anyhow - the snapshots: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php or http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/high-seas-at-south-haven Comments appreciated - Mark C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-r Walmart?
on 2011-11-24 15:33 John Sessoms wrote Quick check just now shows you can order either the K-5 with kit lens for $1449.95 or K-5 body only for $1449.95 (that ain't a typo on my part). whereas K-5 body is currently $1200 at pentaxwebstore.com (kit is $1350) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-r Walmart?
On 11/25/2011 2:42 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2011-11-24 15:33 John Sessoms wrote Quick check just now shows you can order either the K-5 with kit lens for $1449.95 or K-5 body only for $1449.95 (that ain't a typo on my part). whereas K-5 body is currently $1200 at pentaxwebstore.com (kit is $1350) ... Not to mention that it was just a bit less last time I checked at BH due to some kind of instant rebate... -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Dream camera
I had this dream where it was all very complicated and busy and crowded with lots of people, I think we were organizing a conference or something (something I often help with), and I grabbed my camera off the crowded table and ran, and then later I realized I’d grabbed someone else’s K-R instead of my K-5. This is really very imaginative on the part of my dream generator since I’ve never actually touched a K-R, just know that it’s the same size as a K-5. My dream K-R had a film advance lever though! Then the alarm woke me up and I was kind of snickering and I knew that I should stop because I’d never be able to explain to my spouse why this was funny... -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Q sensor gets a 47 at DXOmark
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/A-quality-review-of-the-Pentax-Q This would be so much fun at $400-500. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Best option for travel storage?
Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John -- http://www.jacelio.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Giving and taking criticism
I've realized that one reason the PDML has helped me improve my photography is not only feedback on my photos, but looking at other people's photos and reading the feedback on them. It has exposed me to different styles of photography, given me a feel what other people like, or dislike, and why, and in many cases set the bar up much higher than when all I ever did was pretty much look at my own photos. I've been on a few other forums which have a lot of people who are just barely past the stage of understanding how f/stop affects depth of field and think that makes them a technical expert. One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
On 11/24/2011 9:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: We're spending the weekend hiking in New Hampshire from one of the Appalachian Mountain Club's lodges. Here's a photo from the short walk we took today (I'm not sure how it'll look on line - I find BW photos really need a better-than-laptop conversion and post-processing): http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm Beautiful shot - the tonality looks good to me, though the shadows are a little blocked up. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q sensor gets a 47 at DXOmark
If it had provision for a decent evf, it would be a much better match for it's price, I wonder if that rumored large sensor EVIL camera from Pentax will ever see the light of day or is it the new 645D, the Flying Dutchman of digital photography. On 11/25/2011 3:01 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/A-quality-review-of-the-Pentax-Q This would be so much fun at $400-500. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
I have a 500G-or-so USB disk that I plug in and duplicate everything onto. Light, sticks in an internal pocket of my knapsack -T On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John -- http://www.jacelio.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Dream camera
What medications are you taking at this time? ;-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Sent: November 25, 2011 11/25/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Dream camera I had this dream where it was all very complicated and busy and crowded with lots of people, I think we were organizing a conference or something (something I often help with), and I grabbed my camera off the crowded table and ran, and then later I realized I’d grabbed someone else’s K-R instead of my K-5. This is really very imaginative on the part of my dream generator since I’ve never actually touched a K-R, just know that it’s the same size as a K-5. My dream K-R had a film advance lever though! Then the alarm woke me up and I was kind of snickering and I knew that I should stop because I’d never be able to explain to my spouse why this was funny... -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
Get yourself a used Dell D410, and upgrade the harddrive to 250-320gb, (those are the largest capacity PATA drives available for laptops AFAIK). The drive will probably cost you under $80, a refurbished laptop should be well under $200. A good battery will give you 3 to 3 1/2 hours of battery life. The only other thing more you'll need to buy is the usb to ATA connector to clone the OS from the original drive to the replacement. On 11/25/2011 3:08 PM, John Celio wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John -- http://www.jacelio.com -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:08 PM, John Celio wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Can you reliably estimate how many frames you expect to shoot? Expect that your estimate is low by at least a factor of three. :-) Seriously though, it's not like Melbourne is the third world, if you run out of storage, you should be able to get more external drives when you're there. You don't want to copy your photos to a harddrive, you want to copy your photos to at least two hard drives. It's good to start thinking about this now, but wait until it is close to time to go to actually buy the drives, at least until the factories in Thailand are back on line and the price of drives has come back down. I'd recommend that you get a USB to sata cable, one which will work with both desktop and laptop drives. You get more storage for your money with desktop drives, but more storage per pound with laptop sata drives. Note that a lot of those cables only work with up to 2 TB drives. https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+to+sata+cable When you are coming home, don't carry both of your backup drives with you. Have a friend carry one in their luggage, or mail it home separately. That way if your bag goes awol, you don't lose your photos. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Can anyone work out what this is?
On Nov 25, 2011, at 8:37 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: David Mann I considered one of my photos of this for the upcoming PUG. It's in a rather out-of-the-way graveyard on the West Coast that we had a quick look at last weekend. I can't figure out what it is or what it was used for. Given its shape and surroundings I assume it has something to do with burials. I seem to remember that the rod sticking downwards protrudes below the base (you can just see it in the centre of the near side). http://www.multi.net.nz/cemetery-thing/ Any ideas? The shape of the cutout mimics that of old coffins. There's not much to scale it by, but it appears to be sized for an infant's or a small child's coffin. Beyond that, I have not a clue. I suspect that it may be used for graveside services, to hold the coffin in the grave, but next to the surface where it's visible. After everyone goes home, the staff laborers lift the whole assembly out of the ground, lower the coffin into place, and fill the hole with dirt. The metal flanges are probably covered with astroturf during the ceremony. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Zinio; $25 Gift Voucher for Digital Magazine Subscriptions
It does take nearly 24 hours to get your voucher (and mine also went to Gmail spam folder). I got PC Magazine as my trial magazine and then with my $25 gift card opted for: Outdoor Photographer ($7.50) Popular Photography ($7.50) and the book 50 Photo Projects (7.98) Thanks again to Brian for sharing the info on this offer with the group! Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in perspective. On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's eviction, meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices under the Trespass Act to boot them out. By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2 of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people around. From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup, or if they'd immediately set up in another park. The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that quiet Tuesday. Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out. Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and observers. The final photos were taken that day. I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge chance that things would get ugly. But it didn't. I think there were three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or uprisings. By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there. So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
John, Generally I have my laptop along (320 gig hard drive), and download the pix to it, then back up to a portable external HD. When I travel, the laptop is in my backpack (carry-on) and the portable HD is in my checked luggage. When I've had a long flight ahead in a standard coach seat (no room to open the laptop), I've transferred the images to my Epson P3000 viewer. That lets me spend about 2 1/2 hours doing a preliminary edit before the battery dies. Then, I import what's left on the viewer into LR on my home computer. If I had an iPad, I'd use that instead. Sounds like a great trip prospect! Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: John Celio n...@neovenator.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:08 PM Subject: OT: Best option for travel storage? Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John -- http://www.jacelio.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? I use a Dell 10v Mini (netbook). Small enough to be easily transportable, about 6 hours battery life (I got the optional ouble battery) and powerful enough (barely) to run Lightroom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shoot Insurance -- yikes!
On Nov 23, 2011, at 15:23 , Paul Stenquist wrote: I have to shoot a car in a studio next week. Of course that requires a very big studio -- 4000 square feet. Since there is an overabundance of big studios in the Detroit metro area, the daily rental is reasonable: about six hundred U.S. But to shoot a car in a studio, you have to buy shoot insurance. That's more costly than the rental by about ten bucks. Shoot wild animals instead, Paul. You get to travel to exotic locales, and ADD insurance is much less expensive. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
For Sale Friday
FSF Hi, all, I’m rationalising my photo gear, and have some Pentax bits to go. I have not sold through this forum before, but I have 100% feedback (122 items) at Ebay: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/dundertech (and I’m sure Godfrey will vouch for me). FA135/2.8 - asking £250. Photos: http://gallery.me…uldunderdale/100218 FA20-35/4 - asking £200. Photos: http://gallery.me…uldunderdale/100226 The filter-adjusting door on the lens hood is missing (recognise this, Stan?), otherwise all is good. FA50/1.4 - asking £175. Photos: http://gallery.me…uldunderdale/100233 K10-D body - Recent examples on eBay UK have fetched more than £200, so I’ll take £175. There are all the bits that came with it, two spare batteries and the Bourque book ‘Pentax K10-D: Everything you need to know and then some’. Photos: http://gallery.me…uldunderdale/100234 RMSD (insured/trackable) at cost. Payment by PayPal (gift). Thanks for looking. Paul Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net pauldunderd...@me.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q sensor gets a 47 at DXOmark
On 25/11/2011 2:01 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/A-quality-review-of-the-Pentax-Q This would be so much fun at $400-500. It's fun at $800.00. What it would be at $400-500 is a plasticky piece of junk with decent imaging qualities (though Helen Keller could focus better than it's AF once the light levels drop). -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
On 25/11/2011 4:00 PM, frank theriault wrote: Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in perspective. On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's eviction, meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices under the Trespass Act to boot them out. By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2 of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people around. From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup, or if they'd immediately set up in another park. The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that quiet Tuesday. Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out. Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and observers. The final photos were taken that day. I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge chance that things would get ugly. But it didn't. I think there were three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or uprisings. By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there. So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border. It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they behaved at the G20). -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. If I think a PESO is worthless, I say nothing. If I think it’s great, I’ll say so and if I can, add a word or two about why. If i think a picture is worthwhile and could be improved by cropping or color adjustments or whatever, I’ll say that too. I don’t think I could bring myself to start verbally crapping on the pix I don’t like here. I suspect that most if not all of us are a little too emotionally engaged with the pictures we take for that to be comfortable. Hmm... I could set up an email gateway that would post PESOs under an alias like anon_pdm...@gmail.com with the understanding that we could be gleefully brutal about them without criticizing anyone by name. Mind you, there are a few competitors here whose styles are so distinctive that it wouldn’t help. -T On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:06 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Up Mount Washington
So today Lisa and I eschewed the opporunity to get pepper sprayed and fight mobs of holiday shoppers. Instead we took advantage of beautiful weather to hike up New Hampshire's Mount Washington. The trail we took starts right at the lodge where we're staying; it's 4.1 miles to the top, with about 4000 feet of elevation gain. Weather was good and snow depth wasn't too bad. We were told we wouldn't need full crampons and so went with mini spikes, which were tremendously helpful: We saw many other hikers using crampons. As expected, the wind got stronger as we climbed higher. At the bluff called Lion's Head it must have been 60-65 mph. The snow had been blown clear of many places but where it did remain it wes quite deep in spots. Occasionally I would place a foot and find myelf crotch-deep in snow. That and the wind made for slow going. When we got to the top the wind notched up *considerably*. We checked later (the top of the mountain consists largly of an elaborate weather station facility) we learned the wind at the top had been around 75 mph with gusts in the mid 80's. It felt like it. In the photo linked below, Lisa is literally hanging on to the summit marker sign to avoid being blown away. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/lisa-1.jpg The whole journey felt like a lot more than the 8.2 miles it actually was. I barely have enough energy to enjoy my beer now. But I'll manage ;-) More photos later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
A 13 inch Macbook laptop. :Light, small, but with plenty of storage and powerful enough to run PhotoShop quite efficiently. Paul On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:08 PM, John Celio wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John -- http://www.jacelio.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
There is an Ignatian(?) spiritual exercise where one is to either tell the truth only at all times OR say only nice things at all times but never at the same time. Which is why--I guess--the gurus or the truly wise as they grow...well, wiser..become more silent. Bong :-) On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 11/24/2011 21:15, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm It is quite pretty, but it will be more betterer when you get it back to your big ole 'puter. What it really needs, I think, is to be a print. Even on a 24 monitor there's more detail than can be properly rendered. It might not even make it as a print, but I think I'll have a go when I get home. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Up Mount Washington
Wow, talk about capturing a moment. -T On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: So today Lisa and I eschewed the opporunity to get pepper sprayed and fight mobs of holiday shoppers. Instead we took advantage of beautiful weather to hike up New Hampshire's Mount Washington. The trail we took starts right at the lodge where we're staying; it's 4.1 miles to the top, with about 4000 feet of elevation gain. Weather was good and snow depth wasn't too bad. We were told we wouldn't need full crampons and so went with mini spikes, which were tremendously helpful: We saw many other hikers using crampons. As expected, the wind got stronger as we climbed higher. At the bluff called Lion's Head it must have been 60-65 mph. The snow had been blown clear of many places but where it did remain it wes quite deep in spots. Occasionally I would place a foot and find myelf crotch-deep in snow. That and the wind made for slow going. When we got to the top the wind notched up *considerably*. We checked later (the top of the mountain consists largly of an elaborate weather station facility) we learned the wind at the top had been around 75 mph with gusts in the mid 80's. It felt like it. In the photo linked below, Lisa is literally hanging on to the summit marker sign to avoid being blown away. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/lisa-1.jpg The whole journey felt like a lot more than the 8.2 miles it actually was. I barely have enough energy to enjoy my beer now. But I'll manage ;-) More photos later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
I've attended critiques of participant images done during outdoor workshops by professional outdoor photogs. For most of them it is really hard to offer honest critiques of attendees images for fear of crushing the spirit of the attendee. The better pros will give honest comment to an outstanding image and offer an area of improvement to those images that are not so good. I've always solicit critiques from the pros I've shot with, knowing the quality of the images they have produced and that they are interested in helping to improve the work of the attendees. I'll take critiques from others but will balance it by the quality of work that I've seen them produce. Hell, they're only images. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Hell, they're only images. Mark! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thanksgiving in the White Mountains
On 11/25/2011 19:42, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 11/24/2011 21:15, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/index.htm It is quite pretty, but it will be more betterer when you get it back to your big ole 'puter. What it really needs, I think, is to be a print. Even on a 24 monitor there's more detail than can be properly rendered. It might not even make it as a print, but I think I'll have a go when I get home. I look forward to seeing that ! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
It's important to note that the regular member didn't just critique the photo. He told the photographer that he should be ashamed at having posted such inferior work and generally directed his comments at the person rather than the phtotograph. He was way out of line and obviously had some personal problems that interfered with his ability to be civil. Paul On Nov 25, 2011, at 7:06 PM, William Robb wrote: On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 11/25/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I've realized that one reason the PDML has helped me improve my photography is not only feedback on my photos, but looking at other people's photos and reading the feedback on them. It has exposed me to different styles of photography, given me a feel what other people like, or dislike, and why, and in many cases set the bar up much higher than when all I ever did was pretty much look at my own photos. I've been on a few other forums which have a lot of people who are just barely past the stage of understanding how f/stop affects depth of field and think that makes them a technical expert. One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. I'm a lot better at taking criticism than I am at giving it, which is essentially a product of my inexperience. So, the fact that I may not offer a comment on an image could be taken as either, (1) I'm not in the position to offer a critique on it, (2) any suggestions I may have on how I might improve it have already been mentioned by someone else, or (3) I've allowed the list to get away from me and never saw the image. In any event, I never quite saw the value in trashing people's work, even if I don't like what they've done. I've taken lots and lots of bad photos, and I'll take lots and lots more. Suggestions on how they might be improved, or what to do in future attempts at similar shots are infinitely more helpful that a litany of shortcomings -- which are generally a manifestation of the critic's need for a self-glorification in any event. Typically, if I've posted something, it's either because I like the way it turned out, or I think it could have been a better image, but am just not sure what I needed to do to make it better. And, of course, there have been times when I've posted an image that I liked, but others saw things that they would change about them that made perfect sense to me, but just didn't fit into the mood of the image I had in mind. I don't take that sort of thing as a personal criticism -- just a matter of personal taste. Of course, as someone who's still wet behind the ears, I'm going to take a lot of mundane, cliche-type shots. That's part of the price of learning how to use a camera, I figure. It's like playing scales and learning Smoke on the Water for a guitarist. You have to start somewhere. -- Walt -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
I wasn't referring to the PDML per se, but just the skills in general. Being an engineer, I could spend a lot of time designing an online photography critique community, but that is an exercise in mental masturbation that I'll leave for another day. Here is a disorganized brain dump of some of my thoughts on the subjects. Maybe, at some point, I'll try and actually write a coherent piece on the subject. Or at least put in enough effort to find one that someone else has already written. 1) Opinions are neither right nor wrong. If someone doesn't like something, there's nothing to argue about. Different people will like different things. On several occasions two photos, or two versions, of the same photo, posted to a group of skilled photographers, with the question which is better, and invariably the results are split. And it can be for reasons as basic as I prefer color , I prefer black and white, or I hate the shade of teal in the second shot. 2) I can learn from anybody. Even if I know far more than someone about a particular topic, they can always see something that I missed. 3) I least enjoy hearing about what I did wrong, but that is usually what I most need to hear to improve my craft. If I don't know what's wrong, it is very hard to fix it. 4) It is just as important to tell someone what they did right, what worked, as what didn't work. 5) It is very rarely as useful to ask for critique of a set, as it is of a single photograph. The person reviewing them won't have time to devote to each one, and there will almost always be exceptions to observations like it looks like your horizon is crooked, or it looks like your autofocus is in love with the microphone and hates the vocalist. 6) It is often more useful to ask for feedback about a particular aspect of a photograph. 7) Don't just say that something is wrong, give suggestions on how to fix it. 8) I can learn as much from reading critiques of other people's work, as I can reading critiques of my own. 9) Someone looking at a photo on a wall generally won't care if it was taken at ISO 640, f/8 or with an instamatic, Hasselblad, or 645D. However, someone trying to help you improve your photography will need to know details like ISO, shutter speed, aperture, maybe the lens, was it on a tripod or hand held, what sort of lighting, did you shoot a grey card frame to set the color balance, was it taken on auto or manual focus, or any of the myriad of technical details that affect a shot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
That is =such= a vintage Robb that it almost has to be a Mark! Rick - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Having nominated Bill for a Mark!, I don't agree with him. Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got lots of interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a lot from that--it is this group at its best. When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are gratifyingly, constructively critical. When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be told =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject I'd like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
An idea was floated last year that if you wanted, or were okay with critique to use a different tag than PESO. Nothing ever came of it, but it's always an option for people who just want to share, and those who want active feedback. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Having nominated Bill for a Mark!, I don't agree with him. Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got lots of interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a lot from that--it is this group at its best. When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are gratifyingly, constructively critical. When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be told =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject I'd like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Larry, Let me share what we have done in the local Pentax group here in the Philippines, I get to be asked to critique photos ever so often and Filipinos are the worst in either giving or receiving critique (okay, someone out there might think their culture are worse...). One thing that I have done is to make a 'rules of engagement' that allows the critique to be private. This softens the shame factor of a really scathing comment. This also makes Facebook the worst place to critique photos--its hard to make sober criticism when the photographers' mom liked it. So we have this ritual of having them state they seriously want a critique and then they should put the photo in the end of their stream in Flickr (by changing the date the photo was uploaded) so it would not be randomly seen. From then on a conversation follows in the comments page which, depending on the one being critiqued, may either be deleted or shared to the rest of the group. I usually add a disclaimer that goes ...feel free to delete this comment after you have read it... I generally get a thank you for my comments, of which I assume to mean thanks but no thanks (esp for the bad ones) then never hear from them again. A funny ending to one episode was after I deconstructed this guy's photo, he went ahead and shared to the group the photo complete with my comments. I asked are you sure? He said he's actually proud of it--its like showing off a black eye given by Manny Pacquiao... Bong :-) On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I wasn't referring to the PDML per se, but just the skills in general. Being an engineer, I could spend a lot of time designing an online photography critique community, but that is an exercise in mental masturbation that I'll leave for another day. Here is a disorganized brain dump of some of my thoughts on the subjects. Maybe, at some point, I'll try and actually write a coherent piece on the subject. Or at least put in enough effort to find one that someone else has already written. 1) Opinions are neither right nor wrong. If someone doesn't like something, there's nothing to argue about. Different people will like different things. On several occasions two photos, or two versions, of the same photo, posted to a group of skilled photographers, with the question which is better, and invariably the results are split. And it can be for reasons as basic as I prefer color , I prefer black and white, or I hate the shade of teal in the second shot. 2) I can learn from anybody. Even if I know far more than someone about a particular topic, they can always see something that I missed. 3) I least enjoy hearing about what I did wrong, but that is usually what I most need to hear to improve my craft. If I don't know what's wrong, it is very hard to fix it. 4) It is just as important to tell someone what they did right, what worked, as what didn't work. 5) It is very rarely as useful to ask for critique of a set, as it is of a single photograph. The person reviewing them won't have time to devote to each one, and there will almost always be exceptions to observations like it looks like your horizon is crooked, or it looks like your autofocus is in love with the microphone and hates the vocalist. 6) It is often more useful to ask for feedback about a particular aspect of a photograph. 7) Don't just say that something is wrong, give suggestions on how to fix it. 8) I can learn as much from reading critiques of other people's work, as I can reading critiques of my own. 9) Someone looking at a photo on a wall generally won't care if it was taken at ISO 640, f/8 or with an instamatic, Hasselblad, or 645D. However, someone trying to help you improve your photography will need to know details like ISO, shutter speed, aperture, maybe the lens, was it on a tripod or hand held, what sort of lighting, did you shoot a grey card frame to set the color balance, was it taken on auto or manual focus, or any of the myriad of technical details that affect a shot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Up Mount Washington
~Very~ cool pic. Literally. ;-) Since you hiked up, does that mean you didn't get the ubiquitous bumper sticker? ;-) Look forward to more pix. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Sent: November 25, 2011 11/25/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Up Mount Washington So today Lisa and I eschewed the opporunity to get pepper sprayed and fight mobs of holiday shoppers. Instead we took advantage of beautiful weather to hike up New Hampshire's Mount Washington. The trail we took starts right at the lodge where we're staying; it's 4.1 miles to the top, with about 4000 feet of elevation gain. Weather was good and snow depth wasn't too bad. We were told we wouldn't need full crampons and so went with mini spikes, which were tremendously helpful: We saw many other hikers using crampons. As expected, the wind got stronger as we climbed higher. At the bluff called Lion's Head it must have been 60-65 mph. The snow had been blown clear of many places but where it did remain it wes quite deep in spots. Occasionally I would place a foot and find myelf crotch-deep in snow. That and the wind made for slow going. When we got to the top the wind notched up *considerably*. We checked later (the top of the mountain consists largly of an elaborate weather station facility) we learned the wind at the top had been around 75 mph with gusts in the mid 80's. It felt like it. In the photo linked below, Lisa is literally hanging on to the summit marker sign to avoid being blown away. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/lisa-1.jpg The whole journey felt like a lot more than the 8.2 miles it actually was. I barely have enough energy to enjoy my beer now. But I'll manage ;-) More photos later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Up Mount Washington (too)
On 11/25/2011 19:22, Mark Roberts wrote: . As expected, the wind got stronger as we climbed higher. At the bluff called Lion's Head it must have been 60-65 mph. The snow had been blown clear of many places but where it did remain it wes quite deep in spots. Occasionally I would place a foot and find myelf crotch-deep in snow. That and the wind made for slow going. When we got to the top the wind notched up *considerably*. We checked later (the top of the mountain consists largly of an elaborate weather station facility) we learned the wind at the top had been around 75 mph with gusts in the mid 80's. It felt like it. In the photo linked below, Lisa is literally hanging on to the summit marker sign to avoid being blown away. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/lisa-1.jpg This was taken in 1966 in _July_ by my ex... your snap of Lisa sent me looking for this one of me back then. That was scary enough - you guys are TOUGH! http://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/4796533_2JPwqh/1/1602441253_8kP3Bgp/Medium ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Friday, November 25, 2011 6:45 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Having nominated Bill for a Mark!, I don't agree with him. Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got lots of interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a lot from that--it is this group at its best. When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are gratifyingly, constructively critical. When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be told =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject I'd like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. I pretty much agree with Rick on this. I only vaguely recall the issue that Bill and Paul referred to, when a particularly scathing and personal critique was given. That must be nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent moratorium on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Up Mount Washington
on 2011-11-25 17:22 Mark Roberts wrote In the photo linked below, Lisa is literally hanging on to the summit marker sign to avoid being blown away. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/lisa-1.jpg heartwarming story, memorable picture, and i'm sure you'll find that beer helpful ... also a unique counterpoint to the 1981 National Geographic in which i was just seconds ago reading Reinhold Messner's account of his solo ascent of Everest ... and further, while i never climbed it, i spent many an evening in my Maine adolescence watching the most marvelous weirdo give the weather report from the top of Mt Washington -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Schumann
On Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683715 That works. I like the selective focus and the fact that you've got a bit of motion blur on one hand while the other is still. Adds some action interest. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's jays and pumkin
On Friday, November 25, 2011 9:31 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: From last weekend back yard romp. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683533 Jay in tree, waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683534 Jay rewarded for waiting http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14683553 Pumpkin I like the first one because of its 'natural' setting. The bird blends in surprisingly well with the twigs and branches. Pumpkin on a Stick' doesn't do a lot for me - unless I'm missing something I should be seeing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ K10D, D FA 50-200 AF 360 for fill. Dave -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Ken, Nothing wrong with your criticisms. I always look forward to them. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:52 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I've attended critiques of participant images done during outdoor workshops by professional outdoor photogs. For most of them it is really hard to offer honest critiques of attendees images for fear of crushing the spirit of the attendee. The better pros will give honest comment to an outstanding image and offer an area of improvement to those images that are not so good. I've always solicit critiques from the pros I've shot with, knowing the quality of the images they have produced and that they are interested in helping to improve the work of the attendees. I'll take critiques from others but will balance it by the quality of work that I've seen them produce. Hell, they're only images. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take criticism. And a related discussion of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. -- That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word critique kind of come from.) I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
On 11/25/2011 7:13 PM, William Robb wrote: On 25/11/2011 4:00 PM, frank theriault wrote: Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in perspective. On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's eviction, meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices under the Trespass Act to boot them out. By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2 of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people around. From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup, or if they'd immediately set up in another park. The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that quiet Tuesday. Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out. Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and observers. The final photos were taken that day. I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge chance that things would get ugly. But it didn't. I think there were three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or uprisings. By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there. So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border. It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they behaved at the G20). The Canadian protesters seem to have been a bit less violent than those in America. I'm not saying the US cops weren't rougher in some cases, they probably were. But the protesters were not nearly as law abiding than the Canadians. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Best option for travel storage?
On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:08 PM, John Celio wrote: Those of you who travel a lot: How do you store your photos while on long trips? Next May I'll be spending some time in Australia with my company (specifically, in Melbourne for roughly a week and a half), and then I'm hoping to be able to take another week or two off for a bit of a vacation while I'm down there. My little Chromebook only has a 16gb drive, so that won't do. Nor will my old Alienware laptop, which is effing massive and just way too slow. I'm thinking I just need to get a small laptop with a big-ish hard drive (say, 250gb+), or get one of those portable hard drives with card slots you can dump stuff into (and take the Chromebook for internet), but I'm really curious what frequent travellers think is the best solution. Thanks, John A 13 Macbook Pro w/ 500gb internal drive, about 400gb available to download/store images. Plus two external HD's @ 500gb. I download via Lightroom with renaming and autocopy to one external HD, and then I put that HD away and do a disc-to-disc copy for a backup on the 2nd HD. I used to carry one of the external HD's with its own battery and SD slot, and I would download images to that through the day when taking a coffee or lunchbreaks. Then: a) the newer SD cards weren't working reliably in my system,and b) SD cards got larger capacity and cheaper, meaning that I could afford to have more than adequate cards to carry me thorough the day. So I save all of my downloading/processing for the evening working with the laptop and external drives. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Best option for travel storage?
On a 3-week's holiday to wesrern Europe, UK and Spain with my family, I carried 16 GB x 2 + 8 GB x 2 + 4 GB a 3 cards for my Pentax K20D and my wife's Panasonic PS. We were shooting almost non stop 12 Hrs a day. That is over 260 high resolution photos per day between the two of us. We never had to bother about downloading. Just a bit of hesitation though in Cologne Germany, where at Media Mart we bought an 8 GB card on sale - just in case, but never needed to use it. Hey Pentaxians, CLASS 10 cards are pretty cheap, and available even in Timbuktu, the Sahara Desert. So relax and enjoy your holiday. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
