RE: Giving and taking criticism
PAA = CCB Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to complete communication breakdown. On 11/28/2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs (pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images submitted for discussion and critiques. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Giving and taking criticism
[...] Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies? -- William Robb I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to make them flash anymore, you can get some sort of electronic thing. Probably not as effective, but might be worth investigating, and you can keep them now for squeegeeing your wet film. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I got blogged, Head On
Some great shots, Derby! I really enjoyed that. Hard to pick a favorite, but it's between the first shot and the third, I think. But I do like them all. -- Walt On 11/28/2011 12:41 AM, Derby Chang wrote: http://headon.com.au/node/7495 OK, full disclosure. The blog editor is a good friend of mine. She had been gently suggesting we do this for about 6 months, but we only just got around to it now. Coincidentally, I'd just finished a Blurb book, which she, nicely, links to at the end of the post. Rather chuffed to be in the good company of the place. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
On Monday, November 28, 2011 9:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. That's a very attractive pose and a well composed image. I suppose I'd just like to see a little more detail on the swan's head. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bryce Canyon Sunrise Point
On Monday, November 28, 2011 1:37 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Taken on 11/24 at Bryce Canyon NP, shortly after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14704478size=lg Amazing rock formations. A spectacular image with great contrast between the rocks and the snow. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Little River Rail Trail
On Monday, November 28, 2011 10:52 PM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: Little River is the name of a small town on Banks Peninsula, about halfway between Christchurch and Akaroa. There used to be a railway that ran from there to Christchurch city, but its use was discontinued in 1962. Starting just a few years ago, the old railway is being converted into a trail which can be walked or biked. This has been done in a few other parts of the country as well the most famous being the Central Otago Rail Trail which is about 150km long. We went over to Little River for the weekend and while Janet was busy with a small conference on Saturday afternoon, I got on my bike and did the rail trail as far as Motukarara. The trail does go further than this but it departs from the original railway line at that point, and that's as far as I'd planned to go. It will eventually reach the outer Christchurch suburb of Hornby, where the railway used to end. http://www.multi.net.nz/rail-trail/ Looks like a great place to cycle or walk. Rail trails are quite popular in parts of Oz, usually following old narrow gauge rail routes. There are quite a few in Victoria but New South Wales is lacking. One near me in western Sydney is the Lapstone Zig Zag but it's mainly a walking trail. Here's a few shots I took a couple of years ago: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/LapstoneHill/index.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Bob W wrote: Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to complete communication breakdown. PAA = CCB OMG! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to complete communication breakdown. PAA = CCB OMG! WTF? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On 11/29/2011 12:38 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. I do think that Shel was the one who raised the point about posting photos vs talking about them - don't know about the PESO term though. - Mark C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I got blogged, Head On
Thanks for looking, those who looked. Bob, no wife, but I would hope if I had one, I'd show her The Americans or Women Are Beautiful and she would groove with it. Brian, actually, Head On is quite a small c catholic photo festival, very inclusive, and it isn't hard to have a show under the umbrella if you wanted to. I might think about a show next year. Winning the main portrait prize is another matter. Even though the judging takes place without the judges knowing who the photographers are, there are some heavy hitters who pile in, and their styles are pretty obvious. But competitions are not much my thing. Don't agree these endevours can be like a 100m sprint. My ethics do not prevent me from partaking of the free booze at the openings, however. D (oh, comments and brickbats welcome for any of my shots) On 29/11/2011 7:38 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Some great shots, Derby! I really enjoyed that. Hard to pick a favorite, but it's between the first shot and the third, I think. But I do like them all. -- Walt On 11/28/2011 12:41 AM, Derby Chang wrote: http://headon.com.au/node/7495 OK, full disclosure. The blog editor is a good friend of mine. She had been gently suggesting we do this for about 6 months, but we only just got around to it now. Coincidentally, I'd just finished a Blurb book, which she, nicely, links to at the end of the post. Rather chuffed to be in the good company of the place. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Giving and taking criticism
SNAFU! -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to complete communication breakdown. PAA = CCB OMG! WTF? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Rainy days and K5
I haven't used much Pentax gear this year, but there is still a lingering first love affection. Last weekend it was bucketing down for most of Saturday morning, and the beautiful light was hard to give up. I think I'll have to get me one of these all-weather gadgets soon. http://www.ultrasomething.com/photography/2011/11/rainy-days-and-mondays/ -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I got blogged, Head On
Big congrats, Derby! Great job and well deserved. Cheers, Christine On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: Thanks for looking, those who looked. Bob, no wife, but I would hope if I had one, I'd show her The Americans or Women Are Beautiful and she would groove with it. Brian, actually, Head On is quite a small c catholic photo festival, very inclusive, and it isn't hard to have a show under the umbrella if you wanted to. I might think about a show next year. Winning the main portrait prize is another matter. Even though the judging takes place without the judges knowing who the photographers are, there are some heavy hitters who pile in, and their styles are pretty obvious. But competitions are not much my thing. Don't agree these endevours can be like a 100m sprint. My ethics do not prevent me from partaking of the free booze at the openings, however. D (oh, comments and brickbats welcome for any of my shots) On 29/11/2011 7:38 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Some great shots, Derby! I really enjoyed that. Hard to pick a favorite, but it's between the first shot and the third, I think. But I do like them all. -- Walt On 11/28/2011 12:41 AM, Derby Chang wrote: http://headon.com.au/node/7495 OK, full disclosure. The blog editor is a good friend of mine. She had been gently suggesting we do this for about 6 months, but we only just got around to it now. Coincidentally, I'd just finished a Blurb book, which she, nicely, links to at the end of the post. Rather chuffed to be in the good company of the place. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Can anyone work out what this is?
Me too! Cheers, Christine On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: I vote for Vampire Trap. Cheers Mike On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I considered one of my photos of this for the upcoming PUG. It's in a rather out-of-the-way graveyard on the West Coast that we had a quick look at last weekend. I can't figure out what it is or what it was used for. Given its shape and surroundings I assume it has something to do with burials. I seem to remember that the rod sticking downwards protrudes below the base (you can just see it in the centre of the near side). http://www.multi.net.nz/cemetery-thing/ Any ideas? Cheers, Dave It's a vampire trap. Freshly-buried corpse, vampire steps on mound of earth, buried pressure plate activates spring. Whop! Big metal coffin-shaped trap catches vampire. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
Thanks Jack. Both you and Brian mentioned the dark face, and I really didn't know how much I should do about it. I do like it darkish as it is in accord with the light conditions, but perhaps just a bit of detail will work better. I'll give it a go and if something workable comes of it I will re-post. Thanks for you kind words, and thanks to all others who have looked and commented. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
I miss Shel as well. G He was always blunt, and occasionally rude, but he made interesting and useful comments on images posted here, and his point of view always gave us something to think -- and talk -- about. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: / /I don't know what ever happened to him, but a grand PDML'er named Shel Belinkoff once posted that we all talk about photos but never actually share them and suggested that we post a picture every so often - and thus was born the PESO, GESO, etc tradition. His comment sparked a fantastic change to the list, back when. Shel used to also diss on nature photography, often commentating that the greatest technical skill that nature photographers achieved was using a long exposure to blur moving water. He used to piss me off but I miss him - does anyone knoe what he is up to these days? Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. As far as the PUG goes - it did arise in the days when it was hard to get your photos on line. I was the third (? I think) pugmeister back in the early 00's and it truly was a vehicle to help people get their work online. KomKon was enormously generous to give us bandwidth and a platform back then, then it was really not cheap to get your own website and public forums like flicker were still a glint in the internet's eye. I guess nobody read the foreword to the most recent PDML book. It described the early days of the PUG accurately, if not factually. Best as I recall, it was, in PUGMeister chronological order: Me, Steve G., Me, then you. Mark C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Hey - Ashley reads the list with me! Watch your mouth! ann On 11/29/2011 03:20, Bob W wrote: [...] Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies? -- William Robb I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to make them flash anymore, you can get some sort of electronic thing. Probably not as effective, but might be worth investigating, and you can keep them now for squeegeeing your wet film. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
Shel was an interesting guy with a lot of photography experience. I shot with him here in Chicago and met him later in San Francisco when Lynn I visited. I believe he suffered from serious bouts of depression. He offered to do a photo critique when we were starting the PESO or PAW postings. It was a cringe worthy experience, as brutal as any art critic I have ever read, and way 'over-the-top' for a friendly forum like the PDML. Part of the charm of the PDML is that we know one another. I expect a different level of photos from Bill Robb or Mark C. or Frank and can offer sharper criticism. With less experienced photographers, it isn't so much criticism as encouragement. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: You are absolutely right, Doug, Cory did coin (pun intended) the PESO. Shel had earlier suggested the PAW (photo a week) an idea which I believe he got from the Leica Users Group (LUG). Good ol' Shel. He rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way but I liked him a lot, even though it was his nasty comment that was referred to much earlier in this thread as going way beyond a critique, becoming a personal attack. I think the whole affair led to his leaving the list. I should look him up one of these days, see how he's doing. cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: / /I don't know what ever happened to him, but a grand PDML'er named Shel Belinkoff once posted that we all talk about photos but never actually share them and suggested that we post a picture every so often - and thus was born the PESO, GESO, etc tradition. His comment sparked a fantastic change to the list, back when. Shel used to also diss on nature photography, often commentating that the greatest technical skill that nature photographers achieved was using a long exposure to blur moving water. He used to piss me off but I miss him - does anyone knoe what he is up to these days? Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. As far as the PUG goes - it did arise in the days when it was hard to get your photos on line. I was the third (? I think) pugmeister back in the early 00's and it truly was a vehicle to help people get their work online. KomKon was enormously generous to give us bandwidth and a platform back then, then it was really not cheap to get your own website and public forums like flicker were still a glint in the internet's eye. I guess nobody read the foreword to the most recent PDML book. It described the early days of the PUG accurately, if not factually. Best as I recall, it was, in PUGMeister chronological order: Me, Steve G., Me, then you. Mark C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
Its difficult, Frank -- the water is perfect, but the swan .. not so much.. well it would be difficult for me in photoshop anyway - its worth working on - is this the only frame that is close to this in composition that you took? ann On 11/29/2011 09:36, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jack. Both you and Brian mentioned the dark face, and I really didn't know how much I should do about it. I do like it darkish as it is in accord with the light conditions, but perhaps just a bit of detail will work better. I'll give it a go and if something workable comes of it I will re-post. Thanks for you kind words, and thanks to all others who have looked and commented. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rainy days and K5
Nice images. I REALLY like the last one, of the water splashing. Very interesting point of view, and a great job catching the action of the water! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: I haven't used much Pentax gear this year, but there is still a lingering first love affection. Last weekend it was bucketing down for most of Saturday morning, and the beautiful light was hard to give up. I think I'll have to get me one of these all-weather gadgets soon. http://www.ultrasomething.com/photography/2011/11/rainy-days-and-mondays/ -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: For anyone wanting lightroom 3.0
From: Collin Brendemuehl http://columbus.craigslist.org/pho/2725296524.html I don't know this person, or if it is a good deal. Thought it might be useful, though. Could be a killer deal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Longview
Another from Bryce. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14709072size=lg Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
From: Rick Womer Do I want to know what IFQ stands for? Image for Qritique? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rainy days and K5
The first image, of the ships on the water, is a stunner. I only wish the one ship, partially hidden by the tree wasn't. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au Subject: Rainy days and K5 I haven't used much Pentax gear this year, but there is still a lingering first love affection. Last weekend it was bucketing down for most of Saturday morning, and the beautiful light was hard to give up. I think I'll have to get me one of these all-weather gadgets soon. http://www.ultrasomething.com/photography/2011/11/rainy-days-and-mondays/ -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
From: Doug Brewer On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: / /I don't know what ever happened to him, but a grand PDML'er named Shel Belinkoff once posted that we all talk about photos but never actually share them and suggested that we post a picture every so often - and thus was born the PESO, GESO, etc tradition. His comment sparked a fantastic change to the list, back when. Shel used to also diss on nature photography, often commentating that the greatest technical skill that nature photographers achieved was using a long exposure to blur moving water. He used to piss me off but I miss him - does anyone knoe what he is up to these days? Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. I did a quick Google search. The most reliable info I came up with was in 2006 just about the time I joined PDML. He was over on Leica forums tearing them up - posting photos he'd taken with a Leica lens and after they'd all gone Ga-Ga over them revealing it was really a 50mm Takumar. http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/12/official-leica-m8-early-verdict-post.html Seventh comment down. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re Bryce Canyon
I think the lighting really adds to the openness of the scene and the snow drifts accentuate the lines. All in all well captured. n Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Taken on 11/24 at Bryce Canyon NP, shortly after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14704478size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kindle Fire
As a confirmed Kindle user and Prime customer I bought a Fire. I like it. I consider it a great Kindle reader with benefits. I can check email or listen to music when I am out and about as long as I have wi-fi. Its small size makes more likely I will have it with me when waiting for the doctor etc. The keyboard gives me a little trouble and I find a $10 stylus helps me to input things. Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:25:13 -0500 From: Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Kindle Fire Message-ID: CABur0Tdz1vUr_Ap8rGV=pq20x3t69xqap6wvjzbxcvauxkt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Anyone out there using the Kindle Fire? I ordered one today after reading a review on Z-Net that highly touted it. Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Longview
Thunderbird decided to label this a junk. Having looked at it, even if it weren't a fine photograph, I would be envious of being able to visit such vistas easily. I don't like to envious, perhaps I should have believed Thunderbird. BTW I hate you. On 11/29/2011 11:28 AM, Tom C wrote: Another from Bryce. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14709072size=lg Tom C. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: pick 'n' pluck foam supplier?
Curious as to whether or not anyone has a favorite online source for pick 'n' pluck (cube) foam for camera cases. I've got a decent case that I'd like to reconfigure for my Spotmatics/Takumars kit, but living in the middle of Nebraska there probably aren't a buttload of local suppliers for the stuff. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On 11/29/2011 12:05 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Doug Brewer On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: / /I don't know what ever happened to him, but a grand PDML'er named Shel Belinkoff once posted that we all talk about photos but never actually share them and suggested that we post a picture every so often - and thus was born the PESO, GESO, etc tradition. His comment sparked a fantastic change to the list, back when. Shel used to also diss on nature photography, often commentating that the greatest technical skill that nature photographers achieved was using a long exposure to blur moving water. He used to piss me off but I miss him - does anyone knoe what he is up to these days? Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. I did a quick Google search. The most reliable info I came up with was in 2006 just about the time I joined PDML. He was over on Leica forums tearing them up - posting photos he'd taken with a Leica lens and after they'd all gone Ga-Ga over them revealing it was really a 50mm Takumar. http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/12/official-leica-m8-early-verdict-post.html Seventh comment down. Shel could be an evil, evil man. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT Kindle Fire
P.J. Oh I agree. If I wasn't already g buying the majority of my books and music from Amazon or intended to start I would not buy the Fire just because it was a cheap tablet. One reason I like the Fire is it's in color which makes it much better for reading Kindle photo books that I own. Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:55:20 -0500 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Kindle Fire Message-ID: 4ed457a8.9070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 11/28/2011 9:25 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: It seems to me that it would be a fine device, if it weren't tied to Amazon. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
I contacted Shel a couple of years ago, it seems. He seemed to be happy to hear from a list member but didn't respond to my second or third e-mail (can't remember which and that was two upgrades and a hard drive crash ago).. He intimated that he had some health and financial concerns that kept him from being a active as he wished to be both in the digital world and in real life. On 11/29/2011 10:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I miss Shel as well.G He was always blunt, and occasionally rude, but he made interesting and useful comments on images posted here, and his point of view always gave us something to think -- and talk -- about. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com wrote: On 11/28/11 10:49 PM, Mark C wrote: / /I don't know what ever happened to him, but a grand PDML'er named Shel Belinkoff once posted that we all talk about photos but never actually share them and suggested that we post a picture every so often - and thus was born the PESO, GESO, etc tradition. His comment sparked a fantastic change to the list, back when. Shel used to also diss on nature photography, often commentating that the greatest technical skill that nature photographers achieved was using a long exposure to blur moving water. He used to piss me off but I miss him - does anyone knoe what he is up to these days? Pretty sure it was our Cory Waters that spawned PESO. Don't know what happened to Shel, though. As far as the PUG goes - it did arise in the days when it was hard to get your photos on line. I was the third (? I think) pugmeister back in the early 00's and it truly was a vehicle to help people get their work online. KomKon was enormously generous to give us bandwidth and a platform back then, then it was really not cheap to get your own website and public forums like flicker were still a glint in the internet's eye. I guess nobody read the foreword to the most recent PDML book. It described the early days of the PUG accurately, if not factually. Best as I recall, it was, in PUGMeister chronological order: Me, Steve G., Me, then you. Mark C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: pick 'n' pluck foam supplier?
A while ago I was trying to find a source for closed foam, (the safe kind), to redo a metal camera case I have to work for my current equipment. I couldn't find a local source and on line prices were almost high enough that replacing the entire case was a viable option. Maybe things have gotten better since then. On 11/29/2011 12:23 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Curious as to whether or not anyone has a favorite online source for pick 'n' pluck (cube) foam for camera cases. I've got a decent case that I'd like to reconfigure for my Spotmatics/Takumars kit, but living in the middle of Nebraska there probably aren't a buttload of local suppliers for the stuff. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 25, 2011, at 18:06, William Robb wrote: I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. (which explains the reason for mostly silence when I post images!) I suspected as much. I don't know if that's a :-) or :-( Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. Sad but true. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2011, at 18:06, William Robb wrote: I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. (which explains the reason for mostly silence when I post images!) I suspected as much. I don't know if that's a :-) or :-( Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. Sad but true. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Longview
Very nice, although not as dramatic or compelling as the Bryce sunrise image you posted previously. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Another from Bryce. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14709072size=lg Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: pick 'n' pluck foam supplier?
Porters Camera. http://www.porters.com/ It;s been 3-4 years since I bought some, am assuming they still have it . . .. stan On Nov 29, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Curious as to whether or not anyone has a favorite online source for pick 'n' pluck (cube) foam for camera cases. I've got a decent case that I'd like to reconfigure for my Spotmatics/Takumars kit, but living in the middle of Nebraska there probably aren't a buttload of local suppliers for the stuff. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I contacted Shel a couple of years ago, it seems. He seemed to be happy to hear from a list member but didn't respond to my second or third e-mail IIRC, Shel is the guy who bought a 77 Limited from Bill Robb and never paid for it. This might explain his reluctance to re-connect with the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so :) I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? I fully subscribe to that. Just to add some contribution to this thread: When I (seldom) post some pics here, I always ask for comments and I am open to anything (good or bad). Usually, I get very few feedbacks and that probably prevents me from being a bit more active with PESO's and such here. I have the strong feeling that the more active folks here are also those more willing to comment and who get in return more comments on their pictures, in sort of a self-growing mutual exchange among people so inclined. (I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well, but perhaps you'll get it) Perhaps those (like me) having little time to spend online (let's say 80% here on PDML and 20% on FB, and that's all) look far less interesting to the community, but I can understand that Cheers, Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Gee, Dan , you're no fun at all but seriously folks - yeah , good idea... which it seems has been what we have been doing right along - at least recently ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Olympus BioScapes 2011 Gallery
http://olympusbioscapes.com/gallery/2011/index.html Aside from technical and scientific merit, many of this photographs are stunning abstract images. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kindle Fire
I have one. It's just great for photosites and books. Of course, i have a Kindle already so all of my ebooks are with Amazon now. I find it works just fine for browsing, email, reading, and videos. The print is borderline too small at times, but so far on the readable side. Even better, I can now do this stuff laying on the couch. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Walter Hamler wrote: Anyone out there using the Kindle Fire? I ordered one today after reading a review on Z-Net that highly touted it. Walt Hi Walt. Yeah, but I can't tell you much about it. I'm as green as can be on it. I'm only about 2 hours into having messed around with it. It's up and running, but...I am NOT yet comfortable with it. Keep my email address and check in from time to time. I'll report whatever I've discovered, but I haven't even begun to examine 1?10th of what it can do. Maybe 1/40th! g . It has already, and automatically, loaded all my books from my old, still active Kindle III. All of them! All I have to do is access them (almost instantly!) and start reading. Wow. I'm going to really like this Fire! bigrin keith I pre-ordered and got one on the 15th. I haven't used it to it's full potential but it's lived up to my expectations. I originally thought for $199 it was a no-brainer if I wanted a tablet for browsing, e-mailing, movie watching, reading, etc. It's been just that and while I'd overall prefer a 10 tablet over a 7, for $199 it's an amazing device considering I can do 99% of what I'd do with an iPad at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. While in Los Angeles for a recent wedding I watched a number of Netflix shows at the hotel with no issues and it was aware of any apps I'd already purchased through the Amazon appstore. It won't work with the standard Android Market, without rooting it and doing some manual installs, which I'll probably do. I'm not sure I have the need to though. A GPS capability would be nice, but again for $199, it's amazing and is saving my sight when I use it instead of the Android phone. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kindle Fire
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone out there using the Kindle Fire? I ordered one today after reading a review on Z-Net that highly touted it. Walt Can;t help, i ordered a Kobo TOUCH for Liz, its wrapped up as we speak.:-).:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? I'd say yes to that. I appreciate any and all comments. Dave Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2011, at 18:06, William Robb wrote: I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning image, etc) or no comment at all. (which explains the reason for mostly silence when I post images!) I suspected as much. I don't know if that's a :-) or :-( Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject. Sad but true. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of images, but that hasn't been the case for the last few months. As a result, I find myself posting fewer images now, because I now longer anticipate being told what are the weaknesses of the posted images. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: good idea... which it seems has been what we have been doing right along - at least recently -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
Shel could be an evil, evil man. I could give Dobo a call. Dave -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rainy days and K5
Those were lovely shots. The mood of a rainy day is well conveyed. For some reason, I particularly like the first one. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: I haven't used much Pentax gear this year, but there is still a lingering first love affection. Last weekend it was bucketing down for most of Saturday morning, and the beautiful light was hard to give up. I think I'll have to get me one of these all-weather gadgets soon. http://www.ultrasomething.com/photography/2011/11/rainy-days-and-mondays/ -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
NO! Please, anything but that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I could give Dobo a call. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kindle Fire
Thinking about getting a Fire for my SO. Is the font size adjustable? -p On 11/29/2011 12:42 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I have one. It's just great for photosites and books. Of course, i have a Kindle already so all of my ebooks are with Amazon now. I find it works just fine for browsing, email, reading, and videos. The print is borderline too small at times, but so far on the readable side. Even better, I can now do this stuff laying on the couch. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: Walter Hamler wrote: Anyone out there using the Kindle Fire? I ordered one today after reading a review on Z-Net that highly touted it. Walt Hi Walt. Yeah, but I can't tell you much about it. I'm as green as can be on it. I'm only about 2 hours into having messed around with it. It's up and running, but...I am NOT yet comfortable with it. Keep my email address and check in from time to time. I'll report whatever I've discovered, but I haven't even begun to examine 1?10th of what it can do. Maybe 1/40th!g . It has already, and automatically, loaded all my books from my old, still active Kindle III. All of them! All I have to do is access them (almost instantly!) and start reading. Wow. I'm going to really like this Fire!bigrin keith I pre-ordered and got one on the 15th. I haven't used it to it's full potential but it's lived up to my expectations. I originally thought for $199 it was a no-brainer if I wanted a tablet for browsing, e-mailing, movie watching, reading, etc. It's been just that and while I'd overall prefer a 10 tablet over a 7, for $199 it's an amazing device considering I can do 99% of what I'd do with an iPad at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. While in Los Angeles for a recent wedding I watched a number of Netflix shows at the hotel with no issues and it was aware of any apps I'd already purchased through the Amazon appstore. It won't work with the standard Android Market, without rooting it and doing some manual installs, which I'll probably do. I'm not sure I have the need to though. A GPS capability would be nice, but again for $199, it's amazing and is saving my sight when I use it instead of the Android phone. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
I’ve been out of the loop lately: not even able to lurk. Larry, the brain dump is a very good start. Your rules actually apply to a lot of life in general. There are a lot of good comments in this thread. The only reason I post photos is to get feedback from a group of people who collectively (and individually) have more photographic knowledge than I and I respect that knowledge. Critiques are good. I don’t always get to look at everyone’s postings or comment on photos, because of highly fluctuating work schedules. Rick Womer’s comment says a lot, “If it's an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and clichéd subject I'd like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too.” I have been out of photography for so long I might not know that today it’s a clichéd subject. I once worked for an editor who always had a red pencil in his hand. I always knew as I turned in my work the first draft was going to get cut to ribbons, but I learned more from that man than any one else I've ever known. The criticism was strong but never personal and was always focused on the work. I also learned a lot from my Grandmother, but that’s another story about criticism. In my current work I’ve seen a few people crushed by criticism, and that’s unfortunate, but a fact of the business world. It’s even more unfortunate to see aspiring photographers crushed. I think the PDML could use a little more honest photo criticism, and I like reading people’s comments about others submissions for my own learning. k -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CDR Archive Transfer
on 2011-11-28 19:56 Mark C wrote Just thought I'd share with the list a few comments about transferring images off CD's... interesting info; a couple of thoughts: * the CDs that appeared not to have errors may still have had subtle errors you haven't noticed * it would be nice to have a copy mechanism that did not stop at errors, but that did tell you which files had errors * CD-ROM is not a particularly safe archiving medium, both from your specific info and from general knowledge (i also have several old CD-Rs, as well as regular music CDs, that have failed); redundancy is critical in any kind of digital archive, but more critical with CD-ROM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
Street photography has been controversial in the USA since Robert Frank published The Americans in the late 1950s. It has ridden a roller coaster of acceptability and legal permissions/legal challenges on the basis of invasion of privacy, national security, popular opinion, etc etc ever since. The current explosion of social networking and image sharing has spawned another wave of controversy, with some parties calling for more and more restrictive legislation. But I feel it is the essence of photography that matters. Street photographers are are the observers and recorders of Zeitgeist, the daily milieu, of contemporary culture, outside of the artifice of commercial and advertising portrayal. Street photography reminds us of who, collectively, we are from the viewpoint of the individuals pursuing it. It presents a personal historical record beyond the grasp of Big Media. It shouts, I was there! This is what I saw that was important to me! and whatever that is, whatever it says, is open to the viewer to see and interpret. There's no wonder that it is a controversial pursuit. G On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so :) I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Behind the green window.
Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ Please comment good or bad if you have time. I can take it. If you like the photo I take comfort in my choice. If you don't like it I analyze the photo in the light of your rejection but it won't destroy my interest in the subject or taking pictures. Hey I don't make a living off my pictures. Dammit! I think the only time someone made a personal comment about my work was to say the photo wasn't up to the standards of my other posts. I took it as a compliment agreed with them and made some changes in my approach to that photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT, Underwater nudes
On Nov 28, 2011, at 23:13 , Walt Gilbert wrote: On 11/27/2011 9:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I don't often find a genre of photography that is new to me. I stumbled across a link to one of his photos on someone else's flickr feed, and was impressed by his work on several levels. Probably NSFW, mostly artistic nudes. In other words you probably wouldn't see his stuff at work, unless you worked in an art gallery http://www.flickr.com/photos/alberich/ One I like in particular: www.flickr.com/photos/alberich/6055570740/' Very nice! I really liked the one you singled out as well. I think what I most admire about it is the dedication required to actually master that kind of photography. Seems like that would be extremely challenging conditions to work under. Some years ago I happened upon a site that took this artistic genre a few steeps further. I have no idea what the URL was. May not exist today. The same setting, though at times in swimming pools. But it was totally pornographic, in any way you can imagine. An underwater Kama Sutra. To that photographer, I echo Walt's statement. I think what I most admire about it is the dedication required to actually master that kind of photography. Seems like that would be extremely challenging conditions to work under. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 11/29/2011 10:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of images, but that hasn't been the case for the last few months. As a result, I find myself posting fewer images now, because I now longer anticipate being told what are the weaknesses of the posted images. Either that, or the criticisms were so helpful that your current work has few, if any weaknesses. It seems that I haven't been getting a lot of feed back on the photos that I post lately, and took that as a sign that I post to many, so I've been trying to wait until the end of the month and just posting a list to my monthly best of, which is entirely counterproductive to getting useful feedback, but is less tedious to the list. I think that one thing that might help the quality, and usefulness of feedback on this list is if people were able to improve their skill at giving and getting feedback on their photos. We should talk about that some time. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: pick 'n' pluck foam supplier?
Not sure about the pick pluck kind, but while living in California a few years ago, I was guided by my old studio partner to a custom bedding supply store. Large sheets of closed cell foam, which they had in stock, set me back about $145, 2007 prices. I was able to re-foam three briefcase sized, and two large Halliburtons, one for portable lighting, cords, reflectors, batteries and heads, and one for Pentax 67 kit. All but one of the smaller cases was set up for lenses, the deepest for camera bodies and a few lenses of various lengths. Leftovers cushioned my oculars, guiders, finder scope and Barlows in my 8 Celestron kit. On Nov 29, 2011, at 09:32 , P. J. Alling wrote: A while ago I was trying to find a source for closed foam, (the safe kind), to redo a metal camera case I have to work for my current equipment. I couldn't find a local source and on line prices were almost high enough that replacing the entire case was a viable option. Maybe things have gotten better since then. On 11/29/2011 12:23 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Curious as to whether or not anyone has a favorite online source for pick 'n' pluck (cube) foam for camera cases. I've got a decent case that I'd like to reconfigure for my Spotmatics/Takumars kit, but living in the middle of Nebraska there probably aren't a buttload of local suppliers for the stuff. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.” — Kevan Olesen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
Deal! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Gee, Dan , you're no fun at all but seriously folks - yeah , good idea... which it seems has been what we have been doing right along - at least recently ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Behind the green window.
I like the composition, and you have certainly portrayed the subject as well as you could. That being said, I don't find any beauty in this particular ally, and therefore the subject leaves me cold. It doesn't have the zing of your Triple X or Forever Locked, for example. Just one man's opinion. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ Please comment good or bad if you have time. I can take it. If you like the photo I take comfort in my choice. If you don't like it I analyze the photo in the light of your rejection but it won't destroy my interest in the subject or taking pictures. Hey I don't make a living off my pictures. Dammit! I think the only time someone made a personal comment about my work was to say the photo wasn't up to the standards of my other posts. I took it as a compliment agreed with them and made some changes in my approach to that photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
From: Daniel J. Matyola So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the image, and not personal insults to the poster? Pretty much sums up what I expect if/when I post a PESO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Behind the green window.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 13:47, Don Guthrie wrote: Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ I think this kind of photo (buildings/structures) always works better for me with a straight-on composition, so you can see the elements laid across the flat wall. I like the green of the window.. I like the silver of the gutter and the deep black of the ladder. But I don't like the angle, unfortunately, and for me (for my tastes) that makes this photo completely not work. Please comment good or bad if you have time. I can take it. If you like the photo I take comfort in my choice. If you don't like it I analyze the photo in the light of your rejection but it won't destroy my interest in the subject or taking pictures. Hey I don't make a living off my pictures. Dammit! I'm trying hard to follow up on discussions from the comments on photos thread and actually SAY something rather than just click/view/close -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
From: Thibouille The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? Street shooting is legal in North Carolina, USA, but there *ARE* a lot of ignorant officious assholes who think they know better. * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? There are a lot more ignorant officious assholes today than there were 5, 10 or 15 years ago. The law hasn't changed. * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? There IS a tendency to restrict photographer's rights. But it's not the law. It's ignorant officious assholes think they have the right to tell you what you can and can't do. Too many dumb-asses with an attitude that anything that is not mandatory should be forbidden and it's their god-given task to enforce it. This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Sleeping Kitty
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Re: Giving and taking criticism
I imagine there are those who comment largely to allay the poster's possibly experiencing self doubt as a result of the image receiving few if any responses. They may feel innocuous to be preferable to dismissal. Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of images, but that hasn't been the case for the last few months. As a result, I find myself posting fewer images now, because I now longer anticipate being told what are the weaknesses of the posted images. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: good idea... which it seems has been what we have been doing right along - at least recently -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
Frank, do you have another uncropped version of this image which includes all of the swan's neck shadow? Jack - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:18 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
Although I haven't heard *too* much about restrictions here in Wisconsin, I have a tendency to agree with John...There are a lot of people who think they know the law and bellow about restricting where you can take pictures and who you can photograph. One thing I find ludicrous, though, is this...Concealed carry has recently been approved in Wisconsin and there has been much discussion about what government buildings are restricted, particularly regarding concealed carry in the State Capitol. Our legislators finally came up with this gem: You can bring a firearm into the Capitol building and even to the galleries where you can observe the Senate and Assembly, *but* you can not bring a camera, either still or video, into those same galleries. I guess they figure they will suffer more harm being photographed than shot. :] John, do you have a plug-in that will automatically enter ignorant officious assholes so you don't have to keep typing all those letters? *(VBG)* On 11/29/2011 2:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Thibouille The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? Street shooting is legal in North Carolina, USA, but there *ARE* a lot of ignorant officious assholes who think they know better. * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? There are a lot more ignorant officious assholes today than there were 5, 10 or 15 years ago. The law hasn't changed. * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? There IS a tendency to restrict photographer's rights. But it's not the law. It's ignorant officious assholes think they have the right to tell you what you can and can't do. Too many dumb-asses with an attitude that anything that is not mandatory should be forbidden and it's their god-given task to enforce it. This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
ignorant officious assholes ... I like it! I'll write a macro for my editor. ;-) I remember the security guard at Museo de Orsay (forgive my spelling ...) in Paris telling me that I couldn't use my Leica. I then pulled out my Minox C and asked if I could photograph them ... and they said sure! So I took all my photos in that museum with the Minox. No one said anything to me. :-) G On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: Although I haven't heard *too* much about restrictions here in Wisconsin, I have a tendency to agree with John...There are a lot of people who think they know the law and bellow about restricting where you can take pictures and who you can photograph. One thing I find ludicrous, though, is this...Concealed carry has recently been approved in Wisconsin and there has been much discussion about what government buildings are restricted, particularly regarding concealed carry in the State Capitol. Our legislators finally came up with this gem: You can bring a firearm into the Capitol building and even to the galleries where you can observe the Senate and Assembly, *but* you can not bring a camera, either still or video, into those same galleries. I guess they figure they will suffer more harm being photographed than shot. :] John, do you have a plug-in that will automatically enter ignorant officious assholes so you don't have to keep typing all those letters? *(VBG)* On 11/29/2011 2:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Thibouille The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? Street shooting is legal in North Carolina, USA, but there *ARE* a lot of ignorant officious assholes who think they know better. * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? There are a lot more ignorant officious assholes today than there were 5, 10 or 15 years ago. The law hasn't changed. * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? There IS a tendency to restrict photographer's rights. But it's not the law. It's ignorant officious assholes think they have the right to tell you what you can and can't do. Too many dumb-asses with an attitude that anything that is not mandatory should be forbidden and it's their god-given task to enforce it. This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
It's a bit higher threshold for the shooter. Taking a photograph of a legislator being a fool is easier on the photographer than filling one full of lead, no matter how richly deserved. On 11/29/2011 4:22 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Although I haven't heard *too* much about restrictions here in Wisconsin, I have a tendency to agree with John...There are a lot of people who think they know the law and bellow about restricting where you can take pictures and who you can photograph. One thing I find ludicrous, though, is this...Concealed carry has recently been approved in Wisconsin and there has been much discussion about what government buildings are restricted, particularly regarding concealed carry in the State Capitol. Our legislators finally came up with this gem: You can bring a firearm into the Capitol building and even to the galleries where you can observe the Senate and Assembly, *but* you can not bring a camera, either still or video, into those same galleries. I guess they figure they will suffer more harm being photographed than shot. :] John, do you have a plug-in that will automatically enter ignorant officious assholes so you don't have to keep typing all those letters? *(VBG)* On 11/29/2011 2:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Thibouille The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? Street shooting is legal in North Carolina, USA, but there *ARE* a lot of ignorant officious assholes who think they know better. * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? There are a lot more ignorant officious assholes today than there were 5, 10 or 15 years ago. The law hasn't changed. * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? There IS a tendency to restrict photographer's rights. But it's not the law. It's ignorant officious assholes think they have the right to tell you what you can and can't do. Too many dumb-asses with an attitude that anything that is not mandatory should be forbidden and it's their god-given task to enforce it. This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
On 29/11/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I remember the security guard at Museo de Orsay (forgive my spelling ...) in Paris telling me that I couldn't use my Leica. I then pulled out my Minox C and asked if I could photograph them ... and they said sure! So I took all my photos in that museum with the Minox. No one said anything to me. :-) Years ago I was filming at a crown court - just outside the court precinct (the legally defined boundary of every court in the country, UK, within which one cannot film on pain of arrest) - and the Clerk of the Court came out and demanded to look down the viewfinder! I had been on a tripod picking off individuals as they entered the car park and walked to the entrance. Of course he had no right and I could have flatly refused, but even then I had the makings of a brilliant diplomat I said of course he could and while I manoeuvred myself out of the way, I deftly pressed on the zoom rocker to widen the lens right out. He looked down, robes and all, and exclaimed 'Blimey - not a very good lens is it - the building is a speck in the distance!' He retreated giggling to himself, satisfied I was no threat to anyone's privacy. Of course, I had the last laugh - and always do ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote: (I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well, but perhaps you'll get it) I think you expressed it pretty darned well, Dario. And I completely agree with what you say regarding building a community of the like-minded. For me, it's mostly a matter of the time required. I often barely have time to skim through the list, wielding the delete key like a scythe at reaping. If I had more time, I'd both post more and offer more feedback. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
Yeah, this is the only frame where the swan isn't doing silly things like sticking its head underwater to eat or something else unphotogenic. I'll work on it a bit more, see what I can do with it, but I don't want to brighten him too much. Don't want to get too far from what he actually looked like with that backlight . Thanks for your input. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Its difficult, Frank -- the water is perfect, but the swan .. not so much.. well it would be difficult for me in photoshop anyway - its worth working on - is this the only frame that is close to this in composition that you took? ann On 11/29/2011 09:36, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jack. Both you and Brian mentioned the dark face, and I really didn't know how much I should do about it. I do like it darkish as it is in accord with the light conditions, but perhaps just a bit of detail will work better. I'll give it a go and if something workable comes of it I will re-post. Thanks for you kind words, and thanks to all others who have looked and commented. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
December PUG - Last Call
G'day all Time is running out. So far 14 submissions for the theme The Ravages of Time I'll be closing submissions on Friday so get 'em in folks! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure the image looks right in non colour-managed browsers. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Preening
No, and I'm not too happy about that. Actually didn't get that many of this guy before he turned tail and swam away. Usually I'm pretty careful to get reflections in the frame but this time I just missed it. Were I critiqueing this, I'd certainly mention the cut off reflection. ;-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Sent: November 29, 2011 11/29/11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Frank, do you have another uncropped version of this image which includes all of the swan's neck shadow? Jack - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:18 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Dramatic catch, Frank. Framing well chosen. Not surprisingly, I'd like to make out a bit more head and eye detail. Nice lighting, otherwise. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Preening Like the light, blue swan on gold background. Very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There's not much happening down by the Lake these days; about the only animals around are waterfowl (I saw a couple of grebes and a bufflehead duck, but wasn't able to get a good shot of either) and gulls. However, I did get this swan with the low late afternoon sun behind him: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/preening.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Behind the green window.
Don Guthrie wrote: Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ Wow. I *love* that shot! Best thing on that page by far. (Sorry that's the worst I have to say about it...) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
On 2011-11-29 16:22, Paul Sorenson wrote: John, do you have a plug-in that will automatically enter ignorant officious assholes so you don't have to keep typing all those letters? *(VBG)* Time for another acronym: IOA. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 2011-11-29 1:07, Rob Studdert wrote: A FB community page or organisation page (I co-manage one) can have a number of admins which negates that need for handovers etc. Nice. I've never done that (FB community/organization page) so I wasn't aware. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
One of the problems in Australia, and other countries with a Federal system of government, is the conflict between state and national(Commonwealth) laws. So this applies particularly to Tasmania, an Australian state. Privacy laws apply to information, so medical records and other personal details are protected by Federal privacy legislation, there is no right to privacy regarding images in the Privacy act. For street shooters this means that if you can see it you can photograph it if it is in plain public view - if there is no expectation of privacy by a person. This caveat allows for laws to prohibit photographing in public toilets (it is a public place by there is some expectation of privacy). Other practices such as using mirrors for upskirt photography come under this caveat. Even if the subject is on private property, but still in plain view then there is no definite prohibition on photography. Australia does not have a specific right to freedom of expression in the federal constitution but because the constitution specifies a democratic government it implies there must be free discussion to achieve this - freedom of expression. Protections against photography and its use. = To protect people there are federal defamation laws that could apply if publishing the photograph damages a persons reputation. There is also the concept of Nuisance - persistent photography that harasses the subject could get the photographer into trouble. Section 13 of the Tasmania Police Offences act deals specifically with restrictions on photographing and publishing. POLICE OFFENCES ACT 1935 - SECT 13B 13B. Publishing or distributing prohibited visual recording (1) A person who publishes or distributes a prohibited visual recording of another person having reason to believe it to be a prohibited visual recording, without lawful and reasonable excuse (proof of which lies on the first-mentioned person), is guilty of an offence. Penalty: Fine not exceeding 50 penalty units or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months, or both. (2) In this section – distribute includes – (a) communicate, exhibit, send, supply or transmit to someone, whether to a particular person or not; and (b) make available for access by someone, whether by a particular person or not; and (c) enter into an agreement or arrangement to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b); and (d) attempt to distribute; prohibited visual recording of another person means – (a) a visual recording of the person in a private place or engaging in a private act made in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy; or (b) a visual recording of the person's genital or anal region, when it is covered only by underwear or bare, made in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy in relation to that region. Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 30/11/11 5:06 AM, Thibouille wrote: The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so :) I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Memorial Bench, Stony Creek, Connecticut
Once again I had to spend a couple of hours in Stony Creek, it is quite likely the most photogenic village on the central Connecticut shoreline. Like Madison, people can donate a bench as a memorial to a loved one or cause, but Stony Creek's are more permanent http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20memorialbench.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kindle Fire
It is on my new basic Kindle - and it is very useful Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 30/11/11 6:14 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Thinking about getting a Fire for my SO. Is the font size adjustable? -p On 11/29/2011 12:42 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I have one. It's just great for photosites and books. Of course, i have a Kindle already so all of my ebooks are with Amazon now. I find it works just fine for browsing, email, reading, and videos. The print is borderline too small at times, but so far on the readable side. Even better, I can now do this stuff laying on the couch. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: Walter Hamler wrote: Anyone out there using the Kindle Fire? I ordered one today after reading a review on Z-Net that highly touted it. Walt Hi Walt. Yeah, but I can't tell you much about it. I'm as green as can be on it. I'm only about 2 hours into having messed around with it. It's up and running, but...I am NOT yet comfortable with it. Keep my email address and check in from time to time. I'll report whatever I've discovered, but I haven't even begun to examine 1?10th of what it can do. Maybe 1/40th!g . It has already, and automatically, loaded all my books from my old, still active Kindle III. All of them! All I have to do is access them (almost instantly!) and start reading. Wow. I'm going to really like this Fire!bigrin keith I pre-ordered and got one on the 15th. I haven't used it to it's full potential but it's lived up to my expectations. I originally thought for $199 it was a no-brainer if I wanted a tablet for browsing, e-mailing, movie watching, reading, etc. It's been just that and while I'd overall prefer a 10 tablet over a 7, for $199 it's an amazing device considering I can do 99% of what I'd do with an iPad at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. While in Los Angeles for a recent wedding I watched a number of Netflix shows at the hotel with no issues and it was aware of any apps I'd already purchased through the Amazon appstore. It won't work with the standard Android Market, without rooting it and doing some manual installs, which I'll probably do. I'm not sure I have the need to though. A GPS capability would be nice, but again for $199, it's amazing and is saving my sight when I use it instead of the Android phone. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 29/11/2011 9:12 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Hey - Ashley reads the list with me! Watch your mouth! I'm not shooting in the studio all that much any more. I'm thinking of the kittens. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Thibouille The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? in England you can pretty much photograph anything in or from a public place unless there's some specific law against it. There has been a lot in the news recently about journalists hacking mobile phones to get information about celebs and other people in the news, and this has occasionally veered onto the subject of paparazzi photographing celebs, even though the first act is clearly illegal while the second is not (although some paps' behaviour could be classed as harassment). Similarly, the recent Occupy protests have raised the issue of what is and is not public space. The protests could not be held in places such as Canary Wharf and, believe it or not, Paternoster Square, because they are apparently private property. This same argument is often used to prevent people taking pictures. My view, and I think courts would probably take the same view because there is plenty of precedent, is that these places may be private property but they are still public spaces. At an individual level, there seem to be more and more people who think that photography in public should be restricted, or that we should be obliged to have everyone's permission before we include them in a photograph. It doesn't take much thought to realise what a dangerous idea this is from the point of view of individual liberty. I think the reason for the increased pressure on photographers is that there is a general lack of education here about fundamental rights of people in society, about why it is so important to distinguish between the public and the private realm, and about why photography as a witness helps maintain rights. Publishing pictures is a different issue, of course. There are restrictions on how photographs can be used, particularly for commercial use (as opposed to artistic journalistic use) and on the whole these have been stable recently. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: December PUG - Last Call
On 11/29/2011 17:09, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all Time is running out. So far 14 submissions for the theme The Ravages of Time I'll be closing submissions on Friday so get 'em in folks! yes,dear ann Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure the image looks right in non colour-managed browsers. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On 29/11/2011 9:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I expect a different level of photos from Bill Robb or Mark C. or Frank and can offer sharper criticism. With less experienced photographers, it isn't so much criticism as encouragement. That was, I believe, Shel's reasoning behind his harsh critique. The photographer had an extremely high quality body of work, and posted an image that was far, far below his standard. Shel certainly did saw off on him, but I didn't think it completely undeserved, either. At some point, an honest critique of a good photographer posting a junk photo is going to delve into asking just exactly what the photographer was thinking. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Promoting the PUG, and the list
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Shel could be an evil, evil man. I could give Dobo a call. You'll find some help here: http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/summonspells.php B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On 11/29/2011 6:45 PM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Shel could be an evil, evil man. I could give Dobo a call. You'll find some help here: http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/summonspells.php B But is there a good binding spell... -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Promoting the PUG, and the list
I expect a different level of photos from Bill Robb or Mark C. or Frank and can offer sharper criticism. With less experienced photographers, it isn't so much criticism as encouragement. That was, I believe, Shel's reasoning behind his harsh critique. The photographer had an extremely high quality body of work, and posted an image that was far, far below his standard. Shel certainly did saw off on him, but I didn't think it completely undeserved, either. At some point, an honest critique of a good photographer posting a junk photo is going to delve into asking just exactly what the photographer was thinking. I don't remember whose photo it was that was critiqued, but as I remember the whole incident, Shel was giving an example of what one might want to write. I don't recall it being as tough as other people seem to recall and I think it was one of those things that spiralled out of control. A lot of people seem to think that a critique or criticism is by definition negative, but it isn't. The difference between encouragement or abuse and criticism is that the latter is reasoned, whereas the former are just unsupported assertions of opinion. Great photo, Frank and Pile of shit, Bob are perfectly valid opinions and the sort of thing that we'll always get because we're all far too busy to write much about each photo, but it's nice when people occasionally give us some of the thinking behind the opinion. For the record, if I don't comment on a picture it doesn't mean that I like or dislike it, merely that I don't want to comment on it. Similarly, when I post pictures I'm always happy interested to hear whatever anyone has to say about, but I won't read anything into silence. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
I believe that the general rule in the USA is that you can take a photo in any public place of anyone but you cannot use an image of someone commercially without their consent. You *can* use the photo for journalistic, editorial or artistic purposes. Public BTW mean owned by the government - like a sidewalk, street, plaza or park. Privately owned public places like shopping malls don't count - the owner can set any rules they like. The stock agency that I used to send photos to wanted a model release for any human and a property release for any domestic animal or privately owned building or property. The editorial / artistic exception always struck me as a little inconsistent - if I took a street shot of someone with an amazed expression on their face, I could not use it to sell cola or some other product without their release. But it could be sold as a print in a gallery. - Mark C. On 11/29/2011 1:06 PM, Thibouille wrote: The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so :) I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- The Sacrifice.
All this talk about banal images made me want to post one, at least intentionally as opposed to unintentionally http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20thesacritice.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [All countries ] Street shooting and Image use (legal/rights) influence
True enough, though theoretically public means owned by the public, places actually owned by the government are different. A small but important distinction. On 11/29/2011 7:08 PM, Mark C wrote: I believe that the general rule in the USA is that you can take a photo in any public place of anyone but you cannot use an image of someone commercially without their consent. You *can* use the photo for journalistic, editorial or artistic purposes. Public BTW mean owned by the government - like a sidewalk, street, plaza or park. Privately owned public places like shopping malls don't count - the owner can set any rules they like. The stock agency that I used to send photos to wanted a model release for any human and a property release for any domestic animal or privately owned building or property. The editorial / artistic exception always struck me as a little inconsistent - if I took a street shot of someone with an amazed expression on their face, I could not use it to sell cola or some other product without their release. But it could be sold as a print in a gallery. - Mark C. On 11/29/2011 1:06 PM, Thibouille wrote: The teacher asked to do some work about a legal issue concerning legal rights of photographs use. As he showed us a couple short movies on the topic and because I believe that street shooting is indeed a fundamental of photography, I'd like to know: * the status of street shooting in your country, both on a legal and a practical point of view (I know that often things are permitted but some zealot thinks you shouldn't be allowed to no matter what the law is) ? * did the status of street shooting in your country change in recent years (I'd say recent being last 15 years till today) ? * would you say there's a tendency to restrict photographer's rights in your country and why/how ? This doesn't need to be huge answers, really. But if you have any legal reference in your mind, please do so :) I just can't check legal status in 30 different countries myself, but I'm very interested (and somewhat concerned) about this. Thank you for your cooperation :) -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CDR Archive Transfer
On 11/29/2011 2:41 PM, steve harley wrote: interesting info; a couple of thoughts: * the CDs that appeared not to have errors may still have had subtle errors you haven't noticed Yes - some of the files copy OK but are corrupted. Not many but they show up. I would no be surprised if I opened a file now and then and found that it ended at the wrong place or had some sort of error. * it would be nice to have a copy mechanism that did not stop at errors, but that did tell you which files had errors The freeware program XXCOPY will do this. It is basically XCOPY on steroids. It list the files and if it cannot read one notes that it is corrupted. At the end of the copy it creates a little report the summarizes the number of files found, successfully copies, and not copied, average data transfer rate, time to copy, etc. The only rub is that XXCOPY takes 10 to 11 minutes to copy a full CD with no errors and XCOPY takes only 5 to 6 minutes. * CD-ROM is not a particularly safe archiving medium, both from your specific info and from general knowledge (i also have several old CD-Rs, as well as regular music CDs, that have failed); redundancy is critical in any kind of digital archive, but more critical with CD-ROM Yeah - that's why I am trying to move these at long last. I copied hundreds of DVD's a few years ago when I got started with external hard drives, but they copy a lot faster than CDR's and put these off. There are film scans so I do have the original shots, mostly well cataloged and filed away. (Mostly) - Mark C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW--Week 47--Woman in Storefront Window
Nice shot - the store lighting is great and the fabric in the background gives the image a nice feel. Please take it - cryptic, no? Mark C On 11/26/2011 7:41 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Caught this while downtown yesterday. Lots of people out, fun energy--none of that Walmart pepper spray nonsense. Gosh, what is with people these days? Humanity is just deteriorating. Anyway . . . Cheers, Christine http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Behind the green window.
Well you know I like this one - I said so before :-) funky old stuff interests me - and the geometry is good - colors work. A friend of mine years ago wrote a poem entitled Beauty Lurks actually. Wish I could quote it for you. ann On 11/29/2011 14:47, Don Guthrie wrote: Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ Please comment good or bad if you have time. I can take it. If you like the photo I take comfort in my choice. If you don't like it I analyze the photo in the light of your rejection but it won't destroy my interest in the subject or taking pictures. Hey I don't make a living off my pictures. Dammit! I think the only time someone made a personal comment about my work was to say the photo wasn't up to the standards of my other posts. I took it as a compliment agreed with them and made some changes in my approach to that photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- The Sacrifice.
You posting one of Dave's images? On Nov 29, 2011, at 16:12 , P. J. Alling wrote: All this talk about banal images made me want to post one, at least intentionally as opposed to unintentionally http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20the sacritice .html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
As I recall, the photo wasn't particularly bad. But Shel's critique was aimed directly at the photographer, without any real discussion of the image. It was way out of line. There's never a need for a personal attack. Paul On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:43 PM, William Robb wrote: On 29/11/2011 9:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I expect a different level of photos from Bill Robb or Mark C. or Frank and can offer sharper criticism. With less experienced photographers, it isn't so much criticism as encouragement. That was, I believe, Shel's reasoning behind his harsh critique. The photographer had an extremely high quality body of work, and posted an image that was far, far below his standard. Shel certainly did saw off on him, but I didn't think it completely undeserved, either. At some point, an honest critique of a good photographer posting a junk photo is going to delve into asking just exactly what the photographer was thinking. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: December PUG - Last Call
On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:36 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 11/29/2011 17:09, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all Time is running out. So far 14 submissions for the theme The Ravages of Time I'll be closing submissions on Friday so get 'em in folks! yes,dear Thanks luv Got it Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ ann Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure the image looks right in non colour-managed browsers. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On 11/29/2011 12:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I contacted Shel a couple of years ago, it seems. He seemed to be happy to hear from a list member but didn't respond to my second or third e-mail (can't remember which and that was two upgrades and a hard drive crash ago).. He intimated that he had some health and financial concerns that kept him from being a active as he wished to be both in the digital world and in real life. I'm glad to hear that Shel is still around (or was a few years ago at least.) I recall him announcing that he would be gone for a while, and shortly after that I dropped for an extended period and never knew what came of him. I often think of some his remarks - like (to paraphrase) When people have a fine meal they don't ask the chef what brand of pots and pans he used, but when they see a great photo that's the first thing they ask the photographer... Or something like that. Mark C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Behind the green window.
The only thing I find objectionable about this image is the inclusion of the 'brackets' along the LH edge. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Subject: Behind the green window. Here's one of attempts to find beauty in the alleys of the world. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ Please comment good or bad if you have time. I can take it. If you like the photo I take comfort in my choice. If you don't like it I analyze the photo in the light of your rejection but it won't destroy my interest in the subject or taking pictures. Hey I don't make a living off my pictures. Dammit! I think the only time someone made a personal comment about my work was to say the photo wasn't up to the standards of my other posts. I took it as a compliment agreed with them and made some changes in my approach to that photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Promoting the PUG, and the list
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:47 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/29/2011 6:45 PM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Shel could be an evil, evil man. I could give Dobo a call. You'll find some help here: http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/summonspells.php Oh oh. I read one out loud, sorry all Dave B But is there a good binding spell... -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Memorial Bench, Stony Creek, Connecticut
For me this image would have more impact if it ended just above the bench with a little of the water above it. - isolate, simplify define - Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Memorial Bench, Stony Creek, Connecticut Once again I had to spend a couple of hours in Stony Creek, it is quite likely the most photogenic village on the central Connecticut shoreline. Like Madison, people can donate a bench as a memorial to a loved one or cause, but Stony Creek's are more permanent http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20memorialbench.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 Limited. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
