Re: GESO, new toy
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 09:16:45PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: Excellent! Cage or roll bar? Rollbar. It's the hard dog dual diagonal. A cage is a pain in the ass in a street car. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 09:39:31PM -0600, Bill wrote: With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing pleasure: WARNING: 12MP PAGE http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. Damn! I read the first impressions of the K-3: http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-first-impressions-review.html and this line: If you already have a Pentax K-5 and you primarily use your camera at high ISO settings, then perhaps the K-3 wouldn't be the best choice if its other features don't interest you. gave me hope that I'd be able to hold off on spending the money on the K-3. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: GESO: Okains Bay
Very nice set. I should visit New Zealand sometime. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 04:34, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after our visit to Akaroa. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done. But I didn't take any photos of it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake
Very nice:) On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:07 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Gorgeous photo. Cheers, frank Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few sharp ones. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/ Comments welcome. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
You pass. Cheers, frank Michel Carrère-Gée michel.carrere-...@orange.fr wrote: Test “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
Hi Bill, On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 21:39:31 -0600 Bill wrote: http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html Thanks for taking the trouble, K3 a clear winner here I think. Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie. Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory. I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras. I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the same length. The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image. Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 macro at f/8. The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip. I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO. The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance. :) What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. Ooooh, I planned to wait until early next year to get a K3, not sure I want to wait that long now :) I would have settled for 'IQ not worse than K5' and that does not seem to be a problem! All 'real user' reviews and comments I have seen are VERY positive ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
Nice simple test that makes the point - K3 really shines here. Mark On 11/4/2013 10:39 PM, Bill wrote: With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing pleasure: WARNING: 12MP PAGE http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie. Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory. I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras. I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the same length. The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image. Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 macro at f/8. The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip. I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO. The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance. What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On 11/5/2013 12:04 AM, David Mann wrote: It's unusual to see a cat sitting beside a box... Cheers, Dave This is best Vanna White impression he could muster - the lack of elbows makes it hard for him to point at the product! Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Okains Bay
Exceptional stuff, David. Like your sense of composition and natural manner of processing. Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: GESO: Okains Bay A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after our visit to Akaroa. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done. But I didn't take any photos of it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On 11/4/2013 10:44 PM, Bill wrote: 4. Slightly different layout of the controls / buttons, but totally intuitive. Haven't looked at the manual yet, though I'm probably missing stuff if I don't. The biggest challenge was disabling auto ISO, which took about 20 seconds to decipher. I'm glad it wasn't just me. The menu and controls seem much more ergonomic than the K5. I realize that I have to delve into the manual to figure out that artificial low pass thingy... But one can pick up this camera and use it without a glance at the manual... 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file storage to be much higher. The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. I noticed that ACR and Photoshop is not as snappy chewing through these files compared to the K-5. Still faster than 6x7 scans though I won't get a chance to really run it through its paces till this weekend, but I'm excited. Looks like an excellent upgrade over the K-5, which is no slouch of a camera... I'm a little floored by how much of an upgrade it appears to be over the K5. Agreed! Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On 11/4/2013 11:48 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Love it! (The one on the left, that is) ann Lucky for me that the moment I got things set up he decided to check out the box! Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels
Excellent lighting, great portrait. Lots of character! Mark On 11/2/2013 8:50 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/ Comments welcome, as usual. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Okains Bay
That's a very pleasing set, David. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Exceptional stuff, David. Like your sense of composition and natural manner of processing. Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 8:34 PM Subject: GESO: Okains Bay A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after our visit to Akaroa. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done. But I didn't take any photos of it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Working High
Thanks for the comments. It's been a few years since I shot these, but I still wonder what they were doing every time I run across these photos. If they were just getting that pipe to the roof, why not just hoist it up with the rope, why the need for the lift? Was the pipe attached to the side of the building and just not noticed by anyone? I guess we'll never know. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: Glad it wasn't me. Especially not the guy leaning over the edge on the roof. Nice composition. Very telling for the story! Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: George Sinos Dato: 4. november 2013 15:23 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - Working High Some guys have all the fun. I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX. I carried that little camera around for a couple of years. It was always in my car or my computer bag. Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the design. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?
On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:08 AM, David Mann wrote: On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:47 pm, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2013 7:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I thought Galen to be a Nikon bigot and employed a swaggering literary style. I wrote and told him that some years prior to his death. Galen Rowell is dead? That's very sad. He was a good photographer. Yes, both he and his wife were killed in a light-plane crash several years ago. IIRC something went wrong during landing. I'm another fan of his... I borrowed Mountain Light from the library a long time ago and decided to buy a copy, only to find that it was out of print. Cheers, Dave As a climber and photographer Rowell was an inspiration for me. Not in the sense that someday I want to be like him, because he was so far beyond me that I couldn't imagine getting to that level myself myself. More in the sense that it was empowering to see someone do good work and make a good living and enjoy himself throughout. He was one of the best mountain-travel writers of his day, the best mountain-scape photographer of his day, and he did it from the inside. He wasn't just passing through; he lived in those scenes. I was quite saddened when I heard about his accident a few years ago. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels
That's superb, Bruce! On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Excellent lighting, great portrait. Lots of character! Mark On 11/2/2013 8:50 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/ Comments welcome, as usual. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
I think it is a gorgeous looking camera. Their silver version actually looks old-school (not plastic) but I would probably have to see/hold one in person to be sure about that. I haven't seen anything said about whether it has an AA filter or not, which I am most curious about. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?
A couple aside indicative of nothing incidents I recall reading some years ago, probably in Outdoor Photographer magazine. In commenting about camera brands and truth in advertising, he gave an example (Para phrasing), I wouldn't provide a picture I'd shot with a Nikon and claim it to have been shot with a Pentax. Another was his relating an incident, while climbing, when he dropped his camera. It was in an area where there was no hope of recovery. He wrote, as it happened, there was another climber nearby who agreed to lend him his Pentax to shoot a scene he wanted badly. I looked for a follow up comment regarding the Pentax photos. Found none. Jack - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell? On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:08 AM, David Mann wrote: On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:47 pm, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2013 7:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I thought Galen to be a Nikon bigot and employed a swaggering literary style. I wrote and told him that some years prior to his death. Galen Rowell is dead? That's very sad. He was a good photographer. Yes, both he and his wife were killed in a light-plane crash several years ago. IIRC something went wrong during landing. I'm another fan of his... I borrowed Mountain Light from the library a long time ago and decided to buy a copy, only to find that it was out of print. Cheers, Dave As a climber and photographer Rowell was an inspiration for me. Not in the sense that someday I want to be like him, because he was so far beyond me that I couldn't imagine getting to that level myself myself. More in the sense that it was empowering to see someone do good work and make a good living and enjoy himself throughout. He was one of the best mountain-travel writers of his day, the best mountain-scape photographer of his day, and he did it from the inside. He wasn't just passing through; he lived in those scenes. I was quite saddened when I heard about his accident a few years ago. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
might be nice to use, but it sure isn't pretty … looks like a modern retro Camaro: it has some of the line, but it's all bloated and festooned with gee-gaws. To my eye, the chrome is particularly ugly looking. or rather, industrial faux. but if it works right and is good in the hands, it could be very nice. I don't know what the camera pretends to be. I know Nikon marketing teased everyone with the pure photography sequence, but i don't know what pure photography is supposed to be anyway. I guess the romantic notion of wandering around the Scottish countryside in dramatic light with a 50mm lens implies something to someone, but to me it says cold, probably wet, taking pictures before I freeze to death. G On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
I think what it is claiming to be is a camera for old school shooters who don't need the camera to do everything but cook them breakfast in the morning. So, in that sense I think it is purposely complicated. It sure doesn't match the K-3 in hardly any category other than being a full frame sensor. FPS is 3/sec slower than the K-3. Only has 1/4000th of a second top shutter speed. Doesn't have switchable AA filter. Doesn't have 2 card slots. AF sensitivity only goes to -1 EV. I don't see ANY mention of video (or did I miss it). It seems like THIS is the main reason they are marketing it the way they are. Takes some nerve (and marketing) to put out an expensive DSLR that doesn't even have the ability to do ANY video. (Frankly, video in a DSLR is not terribly important to me, but if I were buying a camera I guess I'd rather have a camera with the CAPABILITY than one that didn't give me the CHOICE to NOT use it. :) On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Nikon Df
The quote that is best from this review of the DF: We're not entirely convinced this will offer a fast and fluid shooting experience with the camera to your eye And this is where Pentax has room to surpass Nikon in the retro-design. Imagine a camera that captures the looks of the original MX or LX, but has the eye-to-the-viewfinder functionality of the pZ-1p. It would also be cool if it provided a split-prism center screen (to work well, out of the box, with MF lenses) and yet not sacrifice AF. That would be a coup. If Pentax's full frame does not sacrifice all video capabilities, I think that would be a win for sales. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df Interesting point - supports use of very old lenses. Mind you, would have been stupid not to. Ricoh: how about a LX-D please :-) (anyone who thinks I'm living in the past, award yourself one star) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. Are you sure about that? I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, PS) on overstock.com at the moment. There's overstockdigital.com and they claim to have the D800 for $2109 but they appear to be one of the very disreputable resellers, the kind that operate out of graffiti covered garages. BH and Amazon have the D800 for $2,796.95. Always hard to believe when a site claims to have a price hundreds of dollars lower than the #1 specialty retailer, and #1 online retailer. At the US price the Df would be easy to justify for someone that wanted a D4, didn't care about video, and wasn't concerned about the D4's 11 fps. I suspect some people who were planning on a D4 will get the Df instead. It would be easy to do at less than 1/2 the price. On the other hand it's 83% of the price of a D800E, so giving up 20MP at that price is a bit hard to swallow. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
Tom is right. I stand corrected. Overstock.com is legit but the similarly named overstockdigital.com is not. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. Are you sure about that? I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, PS) on overstock.com at the moment. There's overstockdigital.com and they claim to have the D800 for $2109 but they appear to be one of the very disreputable resellers, the kind that operate out of graffiti covered garages. BH and Amazon have the D800 for $2,796.95. Always hard to believe when a site claims to have a price hundreds of dollars lower than the #1 specialty retailer, and #1 online retailer. At the US price the Df would be easy to justify for someone that wanted a D4, didn't care about video, and wasn't concerned about the D4's 11 fps. I suspect some people who were planning on a D4 will get the Df instead. It would be easy to do at less than 1/2 the price. On the other hand it's 83% of the price of a D800E, so giving up 20MP at that price is a bit hard to swallow. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file storage to be much higher. The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
I very much appreciate your non test, Bill. I agree that that completely dispels any worries about possible ISO inadequacies. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing pleasure: WARNING: 12MP PAGE http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie. Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory. I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras. I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the same length. The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image. Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 macro at f/8. The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip. I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO. The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance. What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels
Thank you very much, Darren and Mark. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: That's superb, Bruce! On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Excellent lighting, great portrait. Lots of character! Mark On 11/2/2013 8:50 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/ Comments welcome, as usual. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
It's the next thing to $3000 with the kit lens. I think I could find a way to pay that much for an honest-to-god Digital LX with a FA50/1.4. The only flaw I really see in it is it doesn't take K-mount lenses. On 11/5/2013 8:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2013 6:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few sharp ones. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/ Comments welcome. I wish I had a niece who was that pretty. I'd take nice pictures of her, though probably not that good. bill Very kind of you to say so, Bill; thank you! And thank you Paul, Ken, Jack, Frank, Attila, and everyone who looked. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
I don't test cameras Fortunately for us, you do a very reasonable facsimile. :) THAT is impressive. Very steenkin' impressive. I believe that on For Sale Friday I will be listing a kidney, priced to sell quickly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Yellow Rain
A lovely fall scene, Paul. This is one, though, where the nearly infinite DoF of the tiny sensor camera works against the image. I'd have preferred more soft oof contrast in the background to allow the foreground falling leaves to stand out. Nonetheless, quite pleasant! On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The maple leaves were coming down like golden rain this morning. I snapped a pic with my iPhone5. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17586718size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Old school shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the target market is much less than half the average age of this list. It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the Scottish countryside looking for dramatic light is romantic and not as Godfrey says cold, probably wet, taking pictures before I freeze to death. OTOH, a trip to Scotland would mean another stop at the Edinburgh Woollen Mill shop across the street from The Scotch Whisky Experience. So there's at least two ways of taking the chill off. On 11/5/2013 9:30 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I think what it is claiming to be is a camera for old school shooters who don't need the camera to do everything but cook them breakfast in the morning. So, in that sense I think it is purposely complicated. It sure doesn't match the K-3 in hardly any category other than being a full frame sensor. FPS is 3/sec slower than the K-3. Only has 1/4000th of a second top shutter speed. Doesn't have switchable AA filter. Doesn't have 2 card slots. AF sensitivity only goes to -1 EV. I don't see ANY mention of video (or did I miss it). It seems like THIS is the main reason they are marketing it the way they are. Takes some nerve (and marketing) to put out an expensive DSLR that doesn't even have the ability to do ANY video. (Frankly, video in a DSLR is not terribly important to me, but if I were buying a camera I guess I'd rather have a camera with the CAPABILITY than one that didn't give me the CHOICE to NOT use it. :) On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of put everything on clicky dials that you can has been followed to the extreme and the back looks more like a DSLR than any DSLR that went before it. All those buttons! Neither one thing nor the other. Glad I don't have any legacy Nikon lenses. Grumpy Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
On 11/5/2013 3:10 AM, Larry Colen wrote: gave me hope that I'd be able to hold off on spending the money on the K-3. Right! That's going to happen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Okains Bay
That looks sleepy even by NZ standards! Some lovely shots. Shame it's so far away. One day maybe... Chris On 5 November 2013 04:34, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after our visit to Akaroa. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done. But I didn't take any photos of it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of put everything on clicky dials that you can has been followed to the extreme and the back looks more like a DSLR than any DSLR that went before it. All those buttons! Neither one thing nor the other. Glad I don't have any legacy Nikon lenses. For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. Favorite quote: The Df very well may be the first camera marketed and sold to the AARP crowd. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/digital-confusion-with-the.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Just for Bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUu9fPzicBo -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Working High
It looks like they're installing a drain pipe. Just to the left of the platform in the Passing the pipe image looks like where the end is going to fit into the lower pipe you can see the attachment points above it on the wall. In the Just another day at work image you can see a similar drain pipe that comes down from the top of the building on the left to the corner of the brown brick building next to it. I'd guess it continues on down in the corner there next to the fire escape. Just out of curiosity, was the Working High - Passing the pipe pun intentional? On 11/5/2013 8:43 AM, George Sinos wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's been a few years since I shot these, but I still wonder what they were doing every time I run across these photos. If they were just getting that pipe to the roof, why not just hoist it up with the rope, why the need for the lift? Was the pipe attached to the side of the building and just not noticed by anyone? I guess we'll never know. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: Glad it wasn't me. Especially not the guy leaning over the edge on the roof. Nice composition. Very telling for the story! Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: George Sinos Dato: 4. november 2013 15:23 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - Working High Some guys have all the fun. I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX. I carried that little camera around for a couple of years. It was always in my car or my computer bag. Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the design. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. -Original Message- From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it Subject: Re: Nikon Df Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
I'd like to apologise for this thread. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5/11/13, John, discombobulated, unleashed: a trip to Scotland... are you sure? http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/the-most-wonderfully-scottish-things- that-have-ever-happe http://tinyurl.com/m2mte65 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Working High
John You have sharp eyes. Now that you point out that lower pipe I see what they were doing. I wish I were witty enough to have thought of the pun. I noticed it about 2 seconds after typing the passing the pipe caption and decided to let it stand. Maybe it was subconscious. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: It looks like they're installing a drain pipe. Just to the left of the platform in the Passing the pipe image looks like where the end is going to fit into the lower pipe you can see the attachment points above it on the wall. In the Just another day at work image you can see a similar drain pipe that comes down from the top of the building on the left to the corner of the brown brick building next to it. I'd guess it continues on down in the corner there next to the fire escape. Just out of curiosity, was the Working High - Passing the pipe pun intentional? On 11/5/2013 8:43 AM, George Sinos wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's been a few years since I shot these, but I still wonder what they were doing every time I run across these photos. If they were just getting that pipe to the roof, why not just hoist it up with the rope, why the need for the lift? Was the pipe attached to the side of the building and just not noticed by anyone? I guess we'll never know. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: Glad it wasn't me. Especially not the guy leaning over the edge on the roof. Nice composition. Very telling for the story! Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: George Sinos Dato: 4. november 2013 15:23 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - Working High Some guys have all the fun. I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX. I carried that little camera around for a couple of years. It was always in my car or my computer bag. Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the design. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. Favorite quote: The Df very well may be the first camera marketed and sold to the AARP crowd. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/digital-confusion-with-the.html The only thing I would say is that I think Thom, in this para, has missed a salient point: The problem I see is that Nikon made a big deal out of this launch, with a highly visible teaser campaign leading up to it that almost went viral. But now all Nikon users are scratching their heads like me: what is Nikon trying to tell us? Four very different FX bodies. A missing DX body. One large sensor compact. Underwater mirrorless. What camera do they really want us to buy? I think Nikon want to give their customers a choice. Fuji certainly do - and a damned good set of choices. I choose the hardware based on my desires and needs. If that means selecting a mixture of different manufacturers for those needs, then no problem. If you can get more choice from just a single provider, so much the better. Clearly the Df is aimed at dreamy-eyed enthusiasts (like me) who want some quality with style thrown in. Professional snappers will be be hoisting D4s or 1DXs and ignore it. The only cameras professionals might take on vacation with them would possibly be either an iPhone, X100 or a Leica (for those with buckets of money - most working snappers do not have buckets of money). If Pentax offered a 36X24 DLX, I would be first in the line to buy. If it had all the dials and knobs like the Df, suits me fine. I think it has a perfectly good place in a manufacturers lineup - it commands desire. if you make things to sell, that's a perfect result. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound
Yes, really quiet, probably more so than the K-5 or K-5IIs. The AF beep is different as well... almost like a Blue Jay (for Brooksie). On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2013 4:50 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and the new K-3. How do new and older cameras compare about their shooting sound? From those online videos floating around I have a bad feeling of a sharper and more metallic click of the K-3 (sort of K20D-ish) as opposed to the softer, well-damped sound of the K-5 series. Is that true or were they just distorced sound recordings in online videos? That's a very critical issue for the kind of shooting I usually do (theater and such) and could be decisive for a possible purchase on my side. Thanks a lot, Dario It's really quiet. My X-Pro1 is louder. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SV: PESO - The Rim Fire
On 5/11/13, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's a 1:1 crop of the same boid. Is it possible to confirm species based on this? http://tinyurl.com/RedTailHawk4Jack No but I can see a couple of nails in its legs. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
I shoot 100% hand-held. That is, I don't use tripod. It seems logical to me that the additional degree of sharpness and/or resolution provided by lack of AA filter is negligible compared to the effects caused by hand-held shooting. Although if you shoot mostly with tripod, then it would make sense. But then again, this camera has only 16MP to begin with. On 11/5/2013 4:09 PM, Darren Addy wrote: I think it is a gorgeous looking camera. Their silver version actually looks old-school (not plastic) but I would probably have to see/hold one in person to be sure about that. I haven't seen anything said about whether it has an AA filter or not, which I am most curious about. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Dario, I think this is a very dandy camera. On 11/5/2013 4:21 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Darren, in its current lineup Nikon offers the following full frame cameras listed in order of increasing price according to Adorama: D600, D610, D800, D800e, Df, D3x, and D4 Additionally you could buy D600, D3 and D3x refurbished. It appears to me that Nikon has the most complete line of full frame cameras on the market ranging from more affordable hobbyist ones to a hard core professional. It appears to me further that your comparison with K-3 is absolutely illogical. In fact, I would be very much interested to learn why you had to bring K-3 into this thread. Boris On 11/5/2013 4:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote: I think what it is claiming to be is a camera for old school shooters who don't need the camera to do everything but cook them breakfast in the morning. So, in that sense I think it is purposely complicated. It sure doesn't match the K-3 in hardly any category other than being a full frame sensor. FPS is 3/sec slower than the K-3. Only has 1/4000th of a second top shutter speed. Doesn't have switchable AA filter. Doesn't have 2 card slots. AF sensitivity only goes to -1 EV. I don't see ANY mention of video (or did I miss it). It seems like THIS is the main reason they are marketing it the way they are. Takes some nerve (and marketing) to put out an expensive DSLR that doesn't even have the ability to do ANY video. (Frankly, video in a DSLR is not terribly important to me, but if I were buying a camera I guess I'd rather have a camera with the CAPABILITY than one that didn't give me the CHOICE to NOT use it. :) On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Cotty, think of it as of Leica Monochrom of DSLR world... On 11/5/2013 8:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. Favorite quote: The Df very well may be the first camera marketed and sold to the AARP crowd. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/digital-confusion-with-the.html The only thing I would say is that I think Thom, in this para, has missed a salient point: The problem I see is that Nikon made a big deal out of this launch, with a highly visible teaser campaign leading up to it that almost went viral. But now all Nikon users are scratching their heads like me: what is Nikon trying to tell us? Four very different FX bodies. A missing DX body. One large sensor compact. Underwater mirrorless. What camera do they really want us to buy? I think Nikon want to give their customers a choice. Fuji certainly do - and a damned good set of choices. I choose the hardware based on my desires and needs. If that means selecting a mixture of different manufacturers for those needs, then no problem. If you can get more choice from just a single provider, so much the better. Clearly the Df is aimed at dreamy-eyed enthusiasts (like me) who want some quality with style thrown in. Professional snappers will be be hoisting D4s or 1DXs and ignore it. The only cameras professionals might take on vacation with them would possibly be either an iPhone, X100 or a Leica (for those with buckets of money - most working snappers do not have buckets of money). If Pentax offered a 36X24 DLX, I would be first in the line to buy. If it had all the dials and knobs like the Df, suits me fine. I think it has a perfectly good place in a manufacturers lineup - it commands desire. if you make things to sell, that's a perfect result. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3222/6810 - Data di rilascio: 05/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3222/6810 - Data di rilascio: 05/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3222/6810 - Data di rilascio: 05/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Rick, if you apply some settings, it will go all the way to ISO 204,800. I think it would be H4 on ISO dial. This is at least how I understand what I've been reading on the net. On 11/5/2013 8:27 PM, Richard Womer wrote: 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
If H4 is 51200 then my response to Rick was incorrect. I stand corrected. On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
I thought those two settings between H1 and H4 were 1/3 steps, like the ones among previous ISO settings. If so, H4 is 51,200. If Bors is right (no 1/3 steps among H settings), then H1 should be 25,600, (unmarked) H2 should be 51,200, (unmarked) H3 should be 102,400 and H4 should be 204,800. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Boris Liberman Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Rick, if you apply some settings, it will go all the way to ISO 204,800. I think it would be H4 on ISO dial. This is at least how I understand what I've been reading on the net. On 11/5/2013 8:27 PM, Richard Womer wrote: 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3222/6810 - Data di rilascio: 05/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df it says that ISO does go to 204,800, so at least I can read :-). On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:03:51AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of put everything on clicky dials that you can has been followed to the extreme and the back looks more like a DSLR than any DSLR that went before it. All those buttons! Neither one thing nor the other. Glad I don't have any legacy Nikon lenses. I've got a few. If I were smart I'd sell them off. For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. Favorite quote: The Df very well may be the first camera marketed and sold to the AARP crowd. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/digital-confusion-with-the.html I do applaud Nikon for trying something different. Particularly when they seem to be attempting to do what everyone is asking for. A D4 sensor in a body that costs half as much has a lot of appeal. How does the D4 DxOmark out compared with the K5? Frankly, I've come to love the two dial wheels rather than the old knobs etc. for controlling shutter speed and aperture. I have no intention of buying one, but I certainly understand the appeal. I'm very interested in seeing how the market reacts. As someone who started in photography at a time when pretty much all the pros used Nikon I've always had a soft spot in my gear lust glands for Nikon equipment. Over the past couple of years they've released a couple of cameras that I *really* wanted to like (the D7000 and D600), neither of which had any compelling performance advantage over the K-5, other than being able to use a couple of the lenses gathering dust in my gear closet. The past few months has been very interesting in terms of camera releases, and I suspect that the next year will be even more interesting. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
That's expanded ISO, which is pretty worthless in reality. Pentax K-5ii: Manual: 100-12800 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps), expandable to ISO 80-51200, Bulb mode up to ISO 1600 Pentax K-3: Auto: ISO 100-51200 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps), Auto ISO range selectable, Bulb mode: Auto ISO n/a; Manual: 100-51200 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps) Nikon DF: ISO 100 to 12800 in steps of 1/3 EV; can also be set to approx. 0.3, 0.7 or 1 EV (ISO 50 equivalent) below ISO 100 or to approx. 0.3, 0.7, 1, 2, 3 or 4 EV (ISO 204800 equivalent) above ISO 12800; Here's what Nikon engineers say about expanded ISO: http://joefaraceblogs.com/expanded-iso-settings-why-i-dont-likeem/ And here is Fuji's explanation of their extended ISO: http://www.fujirumors.com/how-to-use-extended-iso/ The manual ISO numbers are all that matter. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df it says that ISO does go to 204,800, so at least I can read :-). On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, full-frame, and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels. (I would hope.) But if the interface is really clunky none of the above will help with the shots you miss... So this is one camera of which I really wouldn't want to be an Early Adopter. Wait for a good user base to pick out its real strong and weak points. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Old school shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the target market is much less than half the average age of this list. It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the Scottish countryside looking for dramatic light is romantic and not as Godfrey says cold, probably wet, taking pictures before I freeze to death. OTOH, a trip to Scotland would mean another stop at the Edinburgh Woollen Mill shop across the street from The Scotch Whisky Experience. So there's at least two ways of taking the chill off. Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Someone needs to write the video game: angry glaswegians. Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Old school shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the target market is much less than half the average age of this list. It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the Scottish countryside looking for dramatic light is romantic and not as Godfrey says cold, probably wet, taking pictures before I freeze to death. OTOH, a trip to Scotland would mean another stop at the Edinburgh Woollen Mill shop across the street from The Scotch Whisky Experience. So there's at least two ways of taking the chill off. Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. B -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Okains Bay
Thanks, Chris... and Bob, Jack and Darren. It definitely is sleepy even by NZ standards but I think it gets busy in the holiday season with the camping ground near the beach. The only tourist attraction is the museum which is quite small but has a very good range of Maori artefacts on display. And a very friendly cat who lives next to the store. It was so nice having no cellphone coverage or internet. The cottage didn't even have TV reception, but it did have an excellent range of DVDs. I hope they don't bother getting a satellite Freeview receiver. Cheers, Dave On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:59 am, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: That looks sleepy even by NZ standards! Some lovely shots. Shame it's so far away. One day maybe... Chris On 5 November 2013 04:34, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after our visit to Akaroa. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done. But I didn't take any photos of it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
On 5 Nov 2013, at 16:05, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUu9fPzicBo His bollocks are utter. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting silently with a poetic look on my face. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:15, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
I also wrote 'for being the camera it pretends to be', i.e. pure photography (whatever that mean). I think pure photography does not need customizable function buttons, program modes, multi-pattern metering, two different ways for setting shutter speeds, front rear dials, multiple drive modes, live view, info mode, extra button for activating AF... AF? Is that truly needed? What about about bracketing? I think pure photography can hardly mean the most sophisticated analog camera ever made. I think of pure photography in terms of an MX with a LCD on the back and very little more. I understand that others can think of the Df as pure photography. Pity it lacks some basic characteristics of classic SLR's, such as 0.95x viewfinder and split image. In other words, I see the Df as a disguised modern DSLR pretending to be a classic reborn. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bob W Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3426 / Database dei virus: 3222/6810 - Data di rilascio: 05/11/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
I agree with you that 'pure photography' doesn't need all those things. The Leica Ms are the closest digital cameras I know of that come close to so-called pure photography, but even they still have too much clutter. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:40, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: I also wrote 'for being the camera it pretends to be', i.e. pure photography (whatever that mean). I think pure photography does not need customizable function buttons, program modes, multi-pattern metering, two different ways for setting shutter speeds, front rear dials, multiple drive modes, live view, info mode, extra button for activating AF... AF? Is that truly needed? What about about bracketing? I think pure photography can hardly mean the most sophisticated analog camera ever made. I think of pure photography in terms of an MX with a LCD on the back and very little more. I understand that others can think of the Df as pure photography. Pity it lacks some basic characteristics of classic SLR's, such as 0.95x viewfinder and split image. In other words, I see the Df as a disguised modern DSLR pretending to be a classic reborn. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bob W Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
Love it - every frame is meaningful again - LOL I wounder if this would qualify for a MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Just for Bob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUu9fPzicBo -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Boris' Thread I'd like to apologise for this thread. Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Boris' Thread I'd like to apologise for this thread. Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up We are the knights who say, knit! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
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Re: Nikon Df
Pure Photography indeed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYVYn_CCMAAMSMs.jpg:large On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I agree with you that 'pure photography' doesn't need all those things. The Leica Ms are the closest digital cameras I know of that come close to so-called pure photography, but even they still have too much clutter. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:40, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: I also wrote 'for being the camera it pretends to be', i.e. pure photography (whatever that mean). I think pure photography does not need customizable function buttons, program modes, multi-pattern metering, two different ways for setting shutter speeds, front rear dials, multiple drive modes, live view, info mode, extra button for activating AF... AF? Is that truly needed? What about about bracketing? I think pure photography can hardly mean the most sophisticated analog camera ever made. I think of pure photography in terms of an MX with a LCD on the back and very little more. I understand that others can think of the Df as pure photography. Pity it lacks some basic characteristics of classic SLR's, such as 0.95x viewfinder and split image. In other words, I see the Df as a disguised modern DSLR pretending to be a classic reborn. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bob W Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
On 5/11/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: I'd like to apologise for this thread. Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up We are the knights who say, knit! More purls of wisdom! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: His bollocks are utter. This any better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVWk3nUMS8 ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. B omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting silently with a poetic look on my face. B Ach. Now I know you're not a Scot. Farting silently is against the law. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting silently with a poetic look on my face. Bloody hell - so just the change of location then for you! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:10, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 5/11/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: I'd like to apologise for this thread. Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up We are the knights who say, knit! More purls of wisdom! Beautiful loomage! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:12, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: His bollocks are utter. This any better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVWk3nUMS8 ;-) Por lo menos non dice cazzate ed e un fotografo, as we say quando no parliamo italiano. If I buy one of those, will I be followed around everywhere by Italian subtitles, while cranking out the cliches? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:14, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. B omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? Hoots, mon! No, the noo! And I would never dream of stereotyping our russet compadres. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
Steve Cottrell wrote: On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. Favorite quote: The Df very well may be the first camera marketed and sold to the AARP crowd. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/digital-confusion-with-the.html The only thing I would say is that I think Thom, in this para, has missed a salient point: The problem I see is that Nikon made a big deal out of this launch, with a highly visible teaser campaign leading up to it that almost went viral. But now all Nikon users are scratching their heads like me: what is Nikon trying to tell us? Four very different FX bodies. A missing DX body. One large sensor compact. Underwater mirrorless. What camera do they really want us to buy? I think Nikon want to give their customers a choice. Yup, I agree completely that Thom lost the plot with that statement. They're selling four different full-frame bodies why would they *not* want them to be very different and therefore appeal to different kinds of customers? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound
The loudness of the K-3 shutter is almost the same as K-5, but it sounds a bit different. Nothing metallic, nothing unpleasant, the tone is just a little bit higher. BR, Margus On 11/4/2013 12:50, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and the new K-3. How do new and older cameras compare about their shooting sound? From those online videos floating around I have a bad feeling of a sharper and more metallic click of the K-3 (sort of K20D-ish) as opposed to the softer, well-damped sound of the K-5 series. Is that true or were they just distorced sound recordings in online videos? That's a very critical issue for the kind of shooting I usually do (theater and such) and could be decisive for a possible purchase on my side. Thanks a lot, Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
Okay, now where are the folks who complained about the Ricoh/Pentax ad for the K-3 where the fashion photographer looked scripted? Now, every frame is meaningful again. Ho-lee-fuck. Gag me with a silver ring enhanced 50mm/f:1.8. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUu9fPzicBo -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris' Thread
On 04/11/2013 10:45 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/5/2013 12:48 AM, Bill wrote: On 03/11/2013 10:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: However I think I should be starting my own thread now. My gift to you, my dear friend Let me present you with a thread to call your own. bill Anything I said, Bill, or done that was terribly wrong? See Boris? Even when people try to do something nice and give you a gift, however humble, you still complain. Sheesh!! bill :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 03:55:39PM -0600, Darren Addy wrote: Pure Photography indeed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYVYn_CCMAAMSMs.jpg:large Very cute, but it misses the point entirely. If all you care about is the experience of taking photos, grab your Nikon F3, Leica M4, Pentax LX, or whatever, and wander out onto the foggy moors without putting any film at all into the camera. You'll get the pure experience without spending a dime on anything but beer and cold medicine. For me, the question isn't how many pictures can I take, but how many photos worth keeping can I create? and how much will I enjoy the process?. User experience, technical quality and artistic merit are all interrelated to some point, and the way that they interrelate are entirely different for the hobbiest, the professional artist, and the commercial professional. When Paul is out on a shoot for a magazine, I don't think that he cares a lot about what his camera looks like, whether the experience is pure, or pretty much anything but how little effort he needs to expend getting photos that are good enough for the magazine. I think that the DF will appeal tremendously to a niche market, and by pulling systems out of their ready to go parts bin, Nikon was probably able to do a good job of minimizing development costs. For the photography that I do, the DF would probably be the lowest cost route to getting the best photos possible using Nikon lenses. To be sure, I'd have to see comparisons of it and the D800, whether post process noise reduction on D800 files would overcome the advantage of the DF's larger pixels. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On 05/11/2013 9:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file storage to be much higher. The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. I shoot DNGs, I guess there must be a jpeg buried in there someplace. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 05/11/2013 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? If it wasn't complicated the people who buy it would feel ripped off. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nikon Df
On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Yup, I agree completely that Thom lost the plot with that statement. They're selling four different full-frame bodies - why would they *not* want them to be very different and therefore appeal to different kinds of customers? I'm sorry, you're agreeing with me?? That can't be right - no, I won't accept it dammit!!! (arguing in my spare time) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
There is a preview jpeg saved at a low quality setting embedded. That is what raw converters use to give you thumbnails when you import. I also think the preview you see on the camera is also the embedded jpeg, but I could be wrong. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2013 9:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file storage to be much higher. The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. I shoot DNGs, I guess there must be a jpeg buried in there someplace. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. I shoot DNGs, I guess there must be a jpeg buried in there someplace. DNGs are still compressed (losslessly). As Charles says, the amount of noise affects the amount of compression achieved. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Now, every frame is meaningful again. Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions
The size of dng files varies with complexity, including noise. Paul via phone On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2013 9:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file storage to be much higher. The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. I shoot DNGs, I guess there must be a jpeg buried in there someplace. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Silver Limited Edition K-3 now IN STOCK at Adorama?
http://www.adorama.com/IPXK3P.html Thought it wasn't coming for quite a while yet. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nikon Df
On 6 November 2013 00:51, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. Yeah, it's a bit steep, buying the #2 body would hurt. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
You've just cost me a lot of money Mr Robb. On 5 November 2013 14:39, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing pleasure: WARNING: 12MP PAGE http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie. Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory. I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras. I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the same length. The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image. Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 macro at f/8. The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip. I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO. The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance. What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I don't test cameras
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 11:19:59AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: You've just cost me a lot of money Mr Robb. Did Robb rob Rob? On 5 November 2013 14:39, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing pleasure: WARNING: 12MP PAGE http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie. Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory. I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras. I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the same length. The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image. Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 macro at f/8. The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip. I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO. The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance. What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just for Bob
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Now, every frame is meaningful again. Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. That's the sort of meaningful thing that made me give up shooting back in the day. Can't afford that kind of extravagance. My budget covers other stuff entirely these days. My latest photo enablement was a bottle of Yves Rocher Velvety Loose Powder in Rose, and a large Radiant Complexion powder brush. And no, I haven't become a cross-dresser. ;-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
