metz question

[Larry Colen]

I can't get my mecablits 58 af2 to work as a dumb slave in servo mode.

Is there something obvious that I'm likely missing?

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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Boris Liberman]

Bill, my Novoflex (expensive) Pentax to Leica adapter has a ring. So
it can be used in at least two different ways:

1. The ring is at its close-most position. Then the lens would behave
like regular K-mount lens (no A-position) - you click, the aperture
closes right away, you focus, aim and take a shot. Camera measures
with closed aperture.

2. You set the lens at certain aperture, including, but not limited
to, the A position. Then you rotate the ring on the adapter thereby
setting any effective aperture you like. The shooting is the same
except that you control the aperture with the adapter ring. Since you
see what you get on the EVF - it should be rather easy, at least in
theory. The downside - the ring on the adapter has no markings, so you
close aperture to _some_ value, without really knowing what it is.

Generally I shoot by controlling the aperture on the lens, and not on
the adapter.

I suppose that technically my Novoflex should be no different than
yours except the target mount.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 15/03/2014 6:24 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote:
>>
>> Am I to understand the Pentax A* lens fit the XT-1 Fujifilm X mount?
>
>
> An adapter has to be used between the camera and lens. It is about an inch
> thick, making up for the difference in registration distance.
> Here is a picture of a cheap eBay one. For this price I wouldn't expect
> precise registration, and wouldn't be surprised if I lost infinity focus, or
> developed a bit of a lens tilt or some such, but you get the idea.
>
> http://is.gd/hPVqPz
>
> Also, you lose the A setting, and have to use the aperture ring. I don't see
> why one can't be made with an aperture ring and control lever to run lenses
> that don't have aperture rings.
>
> bill
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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 15, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/
> 
> We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
> Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
> shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
> there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
> ourselves.
> 
> K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
> Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
> Three flashes at 1/2 power firing into a white foamcore V-flat,
> directly behind camera position; AF540FGZ, 2 x Neewer TT560.

Very fun!


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Re: PESO - Ice Sculpture

[Alan C]

Quite amazing. One really wonders about global warming. Al Gore is stirring 
up emotions in SA at present.


Alan C

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From: knarf

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:31 AM
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Subject: PESO - Ice Sculpture

Taken back in January during the coldest part of the winter after a 
windstorm. This iced-over bush is actually right at lakeside; that's ice 
covered lake behind it. Because it's so large Lake Ontario won't freeze over 
but locals can't remember when the ice has gone as far out as it did this 
year:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ice-sculpture.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO: Wire Walker

[Alan C]

Concentration personified! Well caught, Dan. We only get to see circus acts 
on TV.


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From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:02 AM
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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17709055
Kr, smc DA 50 mm F 1.8
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: Wire Walker

[knarf]

That's a great shot!!

Cheers,
frank

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>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17709055
>Kr, smc DA 50 mm F 1.8
>Comments are invited.
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PESO: Ecstacy

[Alan C]

A Bull Elephant scratching his behind.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13182963513/lightbox/

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PESO: Wire Walker

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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17709055
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Re: Croc Antics

[Alan C]

Ja, Boet!

Alan C

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On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:46, "Alan C"  wrote:


This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a 
causeway under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but 
immediately climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The 
Goliath Heron standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at 
fishing!


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642392353525/



That second shot in particular is fantastic. The whole set would have been 
better still if you could have someone to stand next to the croc, for scale.


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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Ken Waller]

Great rendition. Could be straight out of the 20's !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 

Subject: PESO - Steampunks



A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/

We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
ourselves.

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
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Re: GESO: Croc Antics

[knarf]

Great set!

Geez, the wildlife around here might give one a nasty bite, but unless they're 
rabid or otherwise ill or injured, foxes, racoons or coyotes pretty much leave 
humans alone.

Geez, your wildlife is downright menacing!

I particularly like the shot of the heron and the photo of the croc swimming, 
eyes just above the surface, is incredible!

Cheers,
frank

On 15 March, 2014 2:45:12 PM EDT, Alan C  wrote:
>This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a
>causeway 
>under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but 
>immediately climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The
>Goliath 
>Heron standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at fishing!
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642392353525/
>
>Alan C 
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PESO - Ice Sculpture

[knarf]

Taken back in January during the coldest part of the winter after a windstorm. 
This iced-over bush is actually right at lakeside; that's ice covered lake 
behind it. Because it's so large Lake Ontario won't freeze over but locals 
can't remember when the ice has gone as far out as it did this year:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ice-sculpture.html?m=1

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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[knarf]

Ha! Love it!

Have fun tomorrow. Look forward to the pix. 

Cheers,
frank

On 15 March, 2014 9:03:22 PM EDT, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...
>
>http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/
>
>We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
>Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
>shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
>there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
>ourselves.
>
>K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
>Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
>Three flashes at 1/2 power firing into a white foamcore V-flat,
>directly behind camera position; AF540FGZ, 2 x Neewer TT560.

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Re: PESO - Regarding Henry

[knarf]

I knew that, Dan, I was just pulling your leg. :-)

Apparently Toronto has more public Henry Moores than any other city, and the 
Ontario Art Gallery has a whole gallery devoted to him. One of his sculptures 
sits in front of city hall.

Go figure.

I rather like his works and have since I was a boy. 

This particular installation is wonderful; kids going to and from the AGO use 
it as a jungle gym and the bottom part of the sculpture is polished to the 
brass by folks sitting to get their photo taken. Public art is to be 
experienced and I'm sure Henry would have approved. 

Cheers,
frank

On 14 March, 2014 10:37:45 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>I wasn't referring to the photograph, which is quite fine, but to the
>subject sculpture.
>
>Dan Matyola
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
>> Who said it's art? It's just a photograph.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>>
>> On 14 March, 2014 8:56:18 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
> wrote:
>>>That's Art?
>>>Dan Matyola
>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:10 PM, knarf 
>>>wrote:
 Taken last autumn. The title's ironic:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/03/regarding-henry.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Jeffery Johnson]

Nice Bruce though I must ask what was on the ceiling you were staring at?

On 3/15/2014 10:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Dead on, Bruce.

Jack




- Original Message -
From: Bruce Walker 
To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:03 PM
Subject: PESO - Steampunks

A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/

We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
ourselves.

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
Three flashes at 1/2 power firing into a white foamcore V-flat,
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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Christine Aguila]

Love it, Bruce!  You guys look great!  Tons of fun to see this!  Cheers, 
Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/
> 
> We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
> Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
> shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
> there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
> ourselves.
> 
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> Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Christine Aguila]

Interesting!  Thanks, Frank!  Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 9:13 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> "Gruppo" is Italian for (wait for it...) "group" (Dario, feel free to correct 
> me). In bike parlance it refers to the component group on a bike: the brakes, 
> gears, cranks, pedals, etc. Most often they're all made by the same 
> manufacturer and bought together in a (wait for it...) group rather than 
> individually. 
> 
> Buying the components individually would cost a lot more and also they tend 
> to work more smoothly together if bought as a unit.
> 
> "Campy" means Campagnolo, the Italian component giant. The other major player 
> is Japan's Shimano and together they probably have 90% of the market.
> 
> Frejus, an English company, made the frame. I'm not even sure if they're 
> still in business but they're quite highly regarded.
> 
> A Frejus track bike (designed for a velodrome, no brakes or gears) with Campy 
> Pista (means "track" in Italian) components is a very rare and desirable bike.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
>> On 15 March, 2014 2:51:33 PM EDT, Christine Aguila  
>> wrote:
>> To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about.
>> :-). I mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo
>> and Brooks saddle. Sweet!
>>> 
>>> That wall hanger is brilliant.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>> 
 On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila
>>  wrote:
 Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for
 storing your bikes.  Kind of cool.
 Cheers, Christine
>> http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Jack Davis]

Dead on, Bruce.

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Subject: PESO - Steampunks

A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/

We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
ourselves.

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
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Re: OT - Content over technicalities

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 8:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

LOL, " I will offer an additional photographers
position to a peer " should read more like "I will often offer peer
photographers a position to shoot with me" not quite sure how I stuff
that up so badly.



It's English.
You aren't.
HAR!!!

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Re: OT - Content over technicalities

[Rob Studdert]

LOL, " I will offer an additional photographers
position to a peer " should read more like "I will often offer peer
photographers a position to shoot with me" not quite sure how I stuff
that up so badly.

On 16 March 2014 13:36, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> I'm setting up my own shoots now, I have a slew of great models to
> choose from and in some cases I will offer an additional photographers
> position to a peer or engage less competent photographers as
> assistants so that they can get some experience in studio.
>
> Definitely not interested in shooting fashion, there's only so much
> surly I can stand in one day ;) The workshops are really well priced,
> generally it's of more benefit to the photographers as a quick folio
> building exercise so long as that's that way that you chose to work,
> and some do make very good use of these types of events.
>
> The downside of TFP is as soon as a model actually gets good at being
> a model they tend to want to get paid, and that's fair enough. So
> generally it's far more laborious to shoot with someone TFP than it is
> with paid models as they engage in workshop events. Swings and
> roundabouts.
>
> Time and engagement though is generally the key to securing great
> images, sometimes I guess it's just not a practical route.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 March 2014 12:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Rob Studdert  
>> wrote:
>>> It's a good article in that it stresses the importance of connection
>>> with the subject, however I don't think that the technicalities and
>>> the interpersonal relationship between the subject and photographer
>>> are mutually exclusive, depending on the shooting environment of
>>> course.
>>
>> Most certainly the technical issues are still important else we'd all
>> just use crappy smartphone cams and leave it at that. His point is, as
>> I get it, that we need to not stop at "it's technically perfect" like
>> so many of us gadget fanatics do. And in fact it's the soft gooey
>> people issues that get you a better portrait than merely perfecting
>> the image capturing process.
>>
>>
>>> The worst shoots I have been involved in were at studio workshops
>>> where the lighting was pre-set and near to perfect but the models came
>>> thick and fast. It's like a sausage factory, one model after another,
>>> one set then the next. I found that the quality of my images suffer
>>> terribly if I have no time to connect with the models, technically
>>> they may be flawless but they lack emotion and substance.
>>
>> That could be a special case though. Fashion photography -- if this is
>> what it is -- is all about the _clothes_ and the not the models. The
>> models are quite literally mannequins (which is what mannequin means
>> in French: model) or clothes horses and they are expected to look
>> blank, not engaging with the audience.
>>
>> Wait, I just re-read your paragraph: studio workshops. I see the
>> problem here. :-) These are not designed for good photography, they
>> are designed to optimize monetary returns to the organizers. That's my
>> cynical take. If you want to get good shots, hire or trade with your
>> own model and take your time. Forget these overcrowded workshops.
>> Workshops I have attended were closer to 1-on-1. Three students, one
>> teacher and an assistant, two models (plus MUA and hair). Total time
>> in workshop: 6 hours. Lots of time to engage with the models, and
>> everyone else in the session too. Got great expression from models.
>>
>>
>>> On 15 March 2014 01:14, Bruce Walker  wrote:
 An important lesson to learn ...

 http://fstoppers.com/subject-matters-kicking-technicalities-for-content

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Re: OT - Content over technicalities

[Rob Studdert]

I'm setting up my own shoots now, I have a slew of great models to
choose from and in some cases I will offer an additional photographers
position to a peer or engage less competent photographers as
assistants so that they can get some experience in studio.

Definitely not interested in shooting fashion, there's only so much
surly I can stand in one day ;) The workshops are really well priced,
generally it's of more benefit to the photographers as a quick folio
building exercise so long as that's that way that you chose to work,
and some do make very good use of these types of events.

The downside of TFP is as soon as a model actually gets good at being
a model they tend to want to get paid, and that's fair enough. So
generally it's far more laborious to shoot with someone TFP than it is
with paid models as they engage in workshop events. Swings and
roundabouts.

Time and engagement though is generally the key to securing great
images, sometimes I guess it's just not a practical route.

Cheers,





On 16 March 2014 12:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
>> It's a good article in that it stresses the importance of connection
>> with the subject, however I don't think that the technicalities and
>> the interpersonal relationship between the subject and photographer
>> are mutually exclusive, depending on the shooting environment of
>> course.
>
> Most certainly the technical issues are still important else we'd all
> just use crappy smartphone cams and leave it at that. His point is, as
> I get it, that we need to not stop at "it's technically perfect" like
> so many of us gadget fanatics do. And in fact it's the soft gooey
> people issues that get you a better portrait than merely perfecting
> the image capturing process.
>
>
>> The worst shoots I have been involved in were at studio workshops
>> where the lighting was pre-set and near to perfect but the models came
>> thick and fast. It's like a sausage factory, one model after another,
>> one set then the next. I found that the quality of my images suffer
>> terribly if I have no time to connect with the models, technically
>> they may be flawless but they lack emotion and substance.
>
> That could be a special case though. Fashion photography -- if this is
> what it is -- is all about the _clothes_ and the not the models. The
> models are quite literally mannequins (which is what mannequin means
> in French: model) or clothes horses and they are expected to look
> blank, not engaging with the audience.
>
> Wait, I just re-read your paragraph: studio workshops. I see the
> problem here. :-) These are not designed for good photography, they
> are designed to optimize monetary returns to the organizers. That's my
> cynical take. If you want to get good shots, hire or trade with your
> own model and take your time. Forget these overcrowded workshops.
> Workshops I have attended were closer to 1-on-1. Three students, one
> teacher and an assistant, two models (plus MUA and hair). Total time
> in workshop: 6 hours. Lots of time to engage with the models, and
> everyone else in the session too. Got great expression from models.
>
>
>> On 15 March 2014 01:14, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> An important lesson to learn ...
>>>
>>> http://fstoppers.com/subject-matters-kicking-technicalities-for-content
>>>
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[knarf]

It ends up pista anyway...

Cheers,
frank

On 15 March, 2014 7:37:49 PM EDT, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>It's a type of espresso machine that takes Camp coffee.
>
>B
>
>> On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:52, "Christine Aguila" 
>wrote:
>> 
>> To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about.
>:-). I mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo
>and Brooks saddle. Sweet!
>>> 
>>> That wall hanger is brilliant.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>> 
 On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila
> wrote:
 Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for
 storing your bikes.  Kind of cool.
 Cheers, Christine
 
 

>http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
>>> 
>>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
>>> 
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[knarf]

"Gruppo" is Italian for (wait for it...) "group" (Dario, feel free to correct 
me). In bike parlance it refers to the component group on a bike: the brakes, 
gears, cranks, pedals, etc. Most often they're all made by the same 
manufacturer and bought together in a (wait for it...) group rather than 
individually. 

Buying the components individually would cost a lot more and also they tend to 
work more smoothly together if bought as a unit.

"Campy" means Campagnolo, the Italian component giant. The other major player 
is Japan's Shimano and together they probably have 90% of the market.

Frejus, an English company, made the frame. I'm not even sure if they're still 
in business but they're quite highly regarded.

A Frejus track bike (designed for a velodrome, no brakes or gears) with Campy 
Pista (means "track" in Italian) components is a very rare and desirable bike.

Cheers,
frank

On 15 March, 2014 2:51:33 PM EDT, Christine Aguila  
wrote:
>To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about.
>:-). I mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine 
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo
>and Brooks saddle. Sweet!
>> 
>> That wall hanger is brilliant.
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>>> On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila
> wrote:
>>> Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for
>>> storing your bikes.  Kind of cool.
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
>> 
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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 6:24 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote:

Am I to understand the Pentax A* lens fit the XT-1 Fujifilm X mount?


An adapter has to be used between the camera and lens. It is about an 
inch thick, making up for the difference in registration distance.
Here is a picture of a cheap eBay one. For this price I wouldn't expect 
precise registration, and wouldn't be surprised if I lost infinity 
focus, or developed a bit of a lens tilt or some such, but you get the idea.


http://is.gd/hPVqPz

Also, you lose the A setting, and have to use the aperture ring. I don't 
see why one can't be made with an aperture ring and control lever to run 
lenses that don't have aperture rings.


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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 7:03 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/

We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
ourselves.


Polish your shoes.

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Re: OT - Content over technicalities

[Bruce Walker]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> It's a good article in that it stresses the importance of connection
> with the subject, however I don't think that the technicalities and
> the interpersonal relationship between the subject and photographer
> are mutually exclusive, depending on the shooting environment of
> course.

Most certainly the technical issues are still important else we'd all
just use crappy smartphone cams and leave it at that. His point is, as
I get it, that we need to not stop at "it's technically perfect" like
so many of us gadget fanatics do. And in fact it's the soft gooey
people issues that get you a better portrait than merely perfecting
the image capturing process.


> The worst shoots I have been involved in were at studio workshops
> where the lighting was pre-set and near to perfect but the models came
> thick and fast. It's like a sausage factory, one model after another,
> one set then the next. I found that the quality of my images suffer
> terribly if I have no time to connect with the models, technically
> they may be flawless but they lack emotion and substance.

That could be a special case though. Fashion photography -- if this is
what it is -- is all about the _clothes_ and the not the models. The
models are quite literally mannequins (which is what mannequin means
in French: model) or clothes horses and they are expected to look
blank, not engaging with the audience.

Wait, I just re-read your paragraph: studio workshops. I see the
problem here. :-) These are not designed for good photography, they
are designed to optimize monetary returns to the organizers. That's my
cynical take. If you want to get good shots, hire or trade with your
own model and take your time. Forget these overcrowded workshops.
Workshops I have attended were closer to 1-on-1. Three students, one
teacher and an assistant, two models (plus MUA and hair). Total time
in workshop: 6 hours. Lots of time to engage with the models, and
everyone else in the session too. Got great expression from models.


> On 15 March 2014 01:14, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> An important lesson to learn ...
>>
>> http://fstoppers.com/subject-matters-kicking-technicalities-for-content
>>

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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Rob Studdert]

Enjoy http://www.apra.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx ;)


On 16 March 2014 12:30, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Unlike ours your baking rules are probably rational.
>
>
> On 3/15/2014 8:38 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>> Oz rode it out pretty well, but then we have some of the worlds the
>> most strictly imposed government banking fiduciary rules and
>> regulations too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 March 2014 11:19, P.J. Alling  wrote:
>>>
>>> You can always find bright spots, and yes Canada is fine, but most of
>>> Europe
>>> the notable exception being Germany, is in sorry straights, Japan has
>>> never
>>> really recovered from it's recession from 20 years ago.  Anyone who
>>> believes
>>> the official numbers out of China is as delusional as well the people
>>> producing those Chinese numbers.  Look at South America and the number of
>>> counties who's economies are bumping along the bottom. Most of the world
>>> Economy just simply sucks right now, and sadly doesn't look to be getting
>>> any better.  I only hope that we don't drag Canada down.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/15/2014 4:18 PM, Bill wrote:

 On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>
> To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
> points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.


 Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. Granted
 it is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the universe.
 Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively
 unscathed simply because of better economic policies.

 bill


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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[P.J. Alling]

Unlike ours your baking rules are probably rational.

On 3/15/2014 8:38 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Oz rode it out pretty well, but then we have some of the worlds the
most strictly imposed government banking fiduciary rules and
regulations too.



On 16 March 2014 11:19, P.J. Alling  wrote:

You can always find bright spots, and yes Canada is fine, but most of Europe
the notable exception being Germany, is in sorry straights, Japan has never
really recovered from it's recession from 20 years ago.  Anyone who believes
the official numbers out of China is as delusional as well the people
producing those Chinese numbers.  Look at South America and the number of
counties who's economies are bumping along the bottom. Most of the world
Economy just simply sucks right now, and sadly doesn't look to be getting
any better.  I only hope that we don't drag Canada down.


On 3/15/2014 4:18 PM, Bill wrote:

On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.


Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. Granted
it is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the universe.
Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively
unscathed simply because of better economic policies.

bill




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Re: HD DA1.4x trial

[Stanley Halpin]

With my f/4.0, I have an effective wide-open aperture of 5.6. I just tried it 
in my quite dark office, got a bit of searching but nothing unusual given the 
low light level and low contrast. I was actually quite surprised by how 
responsive it is even in this darkness.

I don’t have a lens slower than f/4.0 near at hand - next time I have time to 
play a bit I’ll pull out a 5.6 lens and see how that works out. The 
compatibility chart implies that the 5.6 limit of usability still applies. (The 
chart can be found as a download under the K-3 Downloads portion of the Ricoh 
site.)

BTW - thanks for the info on the RRS L-bracket for the K-3; my pre-order has 
been submitted.

stan

On Mar 15, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Welcome home Stan.
> 
> Have you noticed any issue with the auto focus at smaller aperatures? I 
> recall with the 1.7 'auto convertor' there were issues focusing with smaller 
> aperatures.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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> 
> - Original Message - From: "Stanley Halpin" 
> 
> Subject: GESO: HD DA1.4x trial
> 
> 
> We got back from our Israel trip about 2:00a.m. Thursday, and about every 
> spare minute since then I’ve been working against deadlines on all three of 
> my part-time jobs. And thinking about filing taxes before i leave again in 
> 2.5 weeks.
> 
> I did just take a few minute break. Downloaded and installed the K-3 ver. 
> 1.03 firmware. Mounted the 1.4x teleconverter on my DA* 300/4.0, mounted the 
> pair on a K-3, stepped outside and did a few quick snaps of a Downey 
> Woodpecker on a feeder about 8 feet away. A sampling (3) of the results may 
> be seen here:
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p649772105
> 
> AF was smooth and precise, no different than with the lens mounted directly 
> on the camera.
> Once I get past these deadlines in a week or so I will try to do a bit more 
> evaluation, e.g., with other lenses both slower and faster, etc. Meanwhile, 
> my quick assessment is that if you want/need a 1.4x, I can’t see any reason 
> not to go with this one. Aside from the price which may or may not come down 
> a bit.
> 
> stan
> 
> p.s.  Israel was a wonderful experience, Boris went above and beyond in 
> assisting at many steps along the way, and the trip was a great success for 
> us. In a week or two I hope to be able to get back into the 6000± images and 
> assemble a small gallery to supplement or substitute for those I’ve already 
> posted.
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Re: HD DA1.4x trial

[P.J. Alling]

The 1.7x adapter was supposedly not usable with lenses slower than f 
2.8, however I've had no problem using it with the A*300 mm f4.0.  It 
works very well with that lens so I would expect that the 1.4 converter 
would work fine with slower lenses as well.


On 3/15/2014 8:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Welcome home Stan.

Have you noticed any issue with the auto focus at smaller aperatures? 
I recall with the 1.7 'auto convertor' there were issues focusing with 
smaller aperatures.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Stanley Halpin" 


Subject: GESO: HD DA1.4x trial


We got back from our Israel trip about 2:00a.m. Thursday, and about 
every spare minute since then I’ve been working against deadlines on 
all three of my part-time jobs. And thinking about filing taxes before 
i leave again in 2.5 weeks.


I did just take a few minute break. Downloaded and installed the K-3 
ver. 1.03 firmware. Mounted the 1.4x teleconverter on my DA* 300/4.0, 
mounted the pair on a K-3, stepped outside and did a few quick snaps 
of a Downey Woodpecker on a feeder about 8 feet away. A sampling (3) 
of the results may be seen here:


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p649772105

AF was smooth and precise, no different than with the lens mounted 
directly on the camera.
Once I get past these deadlines in a week or so I will try to do a bit 
more evaluation, e.g., with other lenses both slower and faster, etc. 
Meanwhile, my quick assessment is that if you want/need a 1.4x, I 
can’t see any reason not to go with this one. Aside from the price 
which may or may not come down a bit.


stan

p.s.  Israel was a wonderful experience, Boris went above and beyond 
in assisting at many steps along the way, and the trip was a great 
success for us. In a week or two I hope to be able to get back into 
the 6000± images and assemble a small gallery to supplement or 
substitute for those I’ve already posted.



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Re: PESO - Steampunks

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent!

Paul via phone

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/
> 
> We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
> Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
> shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
> there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
> ourselves.
> 
> K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
> Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
> Three flashes at 1/2 power firing into a white foamcore V-flat,
> directly behind camera position; AF540FGZ, 2 x Neewer TT560.
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Re: PESO - Regarding Henry

[Bruce Walker]

They seem to be disregarding Henry, but perhaps there's Moore than
meets the eye.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:10 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Taken last autumn. The title's ironic:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/03/regarding-henry.html?m=1
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> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
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Re: PESO - Cozy

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you Frank, Attila, Jack, Gerrit, Mark, and everyone who looked.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Cats make lying down an art form like no other creature.
>
> The narrow dof works very well here. Lovely shot.
>
> Cheers,
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> On 14 March, 2014 9:31:09 PM EDT, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13152923735/
>>
>>Allergy warning: May contain a feline critter.
>>
>>K-3, DA 35mm F2.8 Ltd Macro, f:3.2, 1/60th sec, ISO 1600.
>>Lightroom.
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PESO - Steampunks

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A rare selfie from me, including the wife ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13178410735/

We're testing out our get-ups for a trip to a Steampunk event in
Toronto, "Steam On Queen", tomorrow at The Gladstone Hotel. I will be
shooting the other much more imaginative cosplayers I'm sure to find
there, but we figured it would be more fun if we went in dress
ourselves.

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 29mm/f:8, 1/125th sec, ISO 200
Lr & Ps & Silver Efex Pro
Three flashes at 1/2 power firing into a white foamcore V-flat,
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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Rob Studdert]

Not much excepting that you gain file type uniformity, maybe a little
reduction in size and that the there is no need for sidecar files post
edit.

On 16 March 2014 11:43, Ken Waller  wrote:
> What advantage is there in encapsulating a Tiff in DNG?
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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> - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" 
>
> Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
>
>
>> Literally using DNG as a container for the TIFF data, you retain the
>> benefits of DNG WRT user edits but of course it can't strictly be
>> developed like a RAW Bayer mosaic file.
>>
>>
>> On 16 March 2014 11:30, Ken Waller  wrote:

 You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
 encapsulate it in DNG.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
>>> Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
 A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is
 an 8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the
 lack
 of compression losses.

 You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
 encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some standardization, but
 little
 else.

 Godfrey

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, John  wrote:
>
> Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he
> said
> that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that
> was
> the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
> long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.
>
> I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
> encapsulate them.
>
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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Ken Waller]

What advantage is there in encapsulating a Tiff in DNG?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" 

Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?



Literally using DNG as a container for the TIFF data, you retain the
benefits of DNG WRT user edits but of course it can't strictly be
developed like a RAW Bayer mosaic file.


On 16 March 2014 11:30, Ken Waller  wrote:

You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
encapsulate it in DNG.



Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?




A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is
an 8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the 
lack

of compression losses.

You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some standardization, but 
little

else.

Godfrey


On Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, John  wrote:

Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he 
said
that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that 
was

the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.

I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
encapsulate them.



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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[P.J. Alling]

Needs an adapter.

On 3/15/2014 8:24 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote:

Am I to understand the Pentax A* lens fit the XT-1 Fujifilm X mount?
Jonathan

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On 15/03/2014 6:28 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 14/3/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


Was shooting today with the A*85/1.4 on the XT-1.
There was great joy in the experience, though the pictures are pretty
mundane (my niece being molested by my Rottweiler).

How do you find manual working with this combo? I presume you're
setting ISO manually, aperture manually and letting the shutter speed
take care of itself? If the speeds aren't in the right range, then
bump up the ISOP a bit?


Steve, it's just like using an LX. Set the ISO, set the shutter speed and
move the aperture to center the histogram.
Or, set the shutter to A, set the ISO and move the aperture to set the
histogram.
Bump the ISO if required.
While the camera forces me to use my A series lenses as K lenses, it seems
to get less in the way than the Pentax, I think because even after
10 years of using front and rear dials on the body, slipping back into using
the more traditional controls on top of the camera was like putting on a
comfortable shoe.
This may not be for everyone, but for anyone who has been doing photography
long enough to have used a full manual camera, the control familiarity is
wonderful.
I was also playing stabbing random buttons last night and found out just how
customizable the viewfinder it. In addition to being able to turn all the
overlays off and have a very big unobstructed viewfinder to look at, one can
also set the finder to a somewhat smaller output, probably about APS-C
sized, which makes it much easier to see the corners for us glasses wearers
(but also takes away part of the reason for buying the
X-T1 in the first place), and one can also set up a dual image where the
entire image is on the left side, and on the right side is a view of just
the focus point, much enlarged, which makes manual focus a snap.
On the subject of manual focus, the choice, in all viewfinder modes is plain
screen (no focus aids), what Fuji calls digital split image (self
explanatory), and focus peaking (including in the magnified views).
I know you mentioned that you were interested in what I had to say about the
camera, since I'm not a fanboi, but I have to warn you, I have very much
become a fanboi of this camera.
So far, the only niggles I have with it is the camera shake warning, which
cannot be turned off, and sits there like a wet fart in the viewfinder. It's
annoying, but can be ignored, or put outside the image area by dropping the
image size in the finder, the four way buttons are certainly on the small
side. The people complaining about them have a valid point. The buttons
really need to be sitting about a millimeter prouder of the body for
perfection, and the battery life (which is pretty ugly coming from Pentax).
There are decent workarounds for all of my complaints, and quit honestly,
they are the camera equivalent of First World Problems.
The vertical grip is not nice when using the camera horizontally, especially
with manual focus, manual aperture lenses, and because of the traditional
control layout and shape of the camera, the camera can be flipped into what
I find is a more comfortable shutter button down vertical position when
shooting. If I am doing a lot of verticals, such as a portrait session which
would pretty much be all verticals, then the battery grip becomes a thing of
beauty (and doubles the shooting life to something close to a decent number
of shots).
In use, this camera is as close as I have seen to an LX in a digital camera.
The control layout is virtually identical, and the size seems to be very
close as well. I might dig out an LX this weekend and do some size
comparisons.
Fuji has, for me, been almost uncanny regarding this camera. It's really
like they read my mind and custom built a digital camera just for me.
The X-T1 doesn't get in the way.
Apparently a lot of people feel the same way, they are selling them faster
than they can build them.

bill


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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Rob Studdert]

Oz rode it out pretty well, but then we have some of the worlds the
most strictly imposed government banking fiduciary rules and
regulations too.



On 16 March 2014 11:19, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> You can always find bright spots, and yes Canada is fine, but most of Europe
> the notable exception being Germany, is in sorry straights, Japan has never
> really recovered from it's recession from 20 years ago.  Anyone who believes
> the official numbers out of China is as delusional as well the people
> producing those Chinese numbers.  Look at South America and the number of
> counties who's economies are bumping along the bottom. Most of the world
> Economy just simply sucks right now, and sadly doesn't look to be getting
> any better.  I only hope that we don't drag Canada down.
>
>
> On 3/15/2014 4:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>>>
>>> To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
>>> points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.
>>
>>
>> Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. Granted
>> it is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the universe.
>> Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively
>> unscathed simply because of better economic policies.
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Steve Cottrell]

Bill, appreciate your insight.



On 15/3/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Steve, it's just like using an LX. Set the ISO, set the shutter speed 
>and move the aperture to center the histogram.
>Or, set the shutter to A, set the ISO and move the aperture to set the 
>histogram.
>Bump the ISO if required.
>While the camera forces me to use my A series lenses as K lenses, it 
>seems to get less in the way than the Pentax, I think because even after 
>10 years of using front and rear dials on the body, slipping back into 
>using the more traditional controls on top of the camera was like 
>putting on a comfortable shoe.
>This may not be for everyone, but for anyone who has been doing 
>photography long enough to have used a full manual camera, the control 
>familiarity is wonderful.
>I was also playing stabbing random buttons last night and found out just 
>how customizable the viewfinder it. In addition to being able to turn 
>all the overlays off and have a very big unobstructed viewfinder to look 
>at, one can also set the finder to a somewhat smaller output, probably 
>about APS-C sized, which makes it much easier to see the corners for us 
>glasses wearers (but also takes away part of the reason for buying the 
>X-T1 in the first place), and one can also set up a dual image where the 
>entire image is on the left side, and on the right side is a view of 
>just the focus point, much enlarged, which makes manual focus a snap.
>On the subject of manual focus, the choice, in all viewfinder modes is 
>plain screen (no focus aids), what Fuji calls digital split image (self 
>explanatory), and focus peaking (including in the magnified views).
>I know you mentioned that you were interested in what I had to say about 
>the camera, since I'm not a fanboi, but I have to warn you, I have very 
>much become a fanboi of this camera.
>So far, the only niggles I have with it is the camera shake warning, 
>which cannot be turned off, and sits there like a wet fart in the 
>viewfinder. It's annoying, but can be ignored, or put outside the image 
>area by dropping the image size in the finder, the four way buttons are 
>certainly on the small side. The people complaining about them have a 
>valid point. The buttons really need to be sitting about a millimeter 
>prouder of the body for perfection, and the battery life (which is 
>pretty ugly coming from Pentax).
>There are decent workarounds for all of my complaints, and quit 
>honestly, they are the camera equivalent of First World Problems.
>The vertical grip is not nice when using the camera horizontally, 
>especially with manual focus, manual aperture lenses, and because of the 
>traditional control layout and shape of the camera, the camera can be 
>flipped into what I find is a more comfortable shutter button down 
>vertical position when shooting. If I am doing a lot of verticals, such 
>as a portrait session which would pretty much be all verticals, then the 
>battery grip becomes a thing of beauty (and doubles the shooting life to 
>something close to a decent number of shots).
>In use, this camera is as close as I have seen to an LX in a digital 
>camera. The control layout is virtually identical, and the size seems to 
>be very close as well. I might dig out an LX this weekend and do some 
>size comparisons.
>Fuji has, for me, been almost uncanny regarding this camera. It's really 
>like they read my mind and custom built a digital camera just for me. 
>The X-T1 doesn't get in the way.
>Apparently a lot of people feel the same way, they are selling them 
>faster than they can build them.

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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Rob Studdert]

Literally using DNG as a container for the TIFF data, you retain the
benefits of DNG WRT user edits but of course it can't strictly be
developed like a RAW Bayer mosaic file.


On 16 March 2014 11:30, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
>> encapsulate it in DNG.
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
> Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?
>
>
>
>> A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is
>> an 8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the lack
>> of compression losses.
>>
>> You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can
>> encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some standardization, but little
>> else.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he said
>>> that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that was
>>> the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
>>> long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.
>>>
>>> I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
>>> encapsulate them.
>
>
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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/3/14, ma...@redwoodhorses.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Am I to understand the Pentax A* lens fit the XT-1 Fujifilm X mount?

Via an adaptor like this:



I have this adaptor and use the A* lens on my X-E1.

The nice thing with mirrorless cameras is that you get open-aperture
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Re: HD DA1.4x trial

[Ken Waller]

Welcome home Stan.

Have you noticed any issue with the auto focus at smaller aperatures? I 
recall with the 1.7 'auto convertor' there were issues focusing with smaller 
aperatures.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Stanley Halpin" 

Subject: GESO: HD DA1.4x trial


We got back from our Israel trip about 2:00a.m. Thursday, and about every 
spare minute since then I’ve been working against deadlines on all three of 
my part-time jobs. And thinking about filing taxes before i leave again in 
2.5 weeks.


I did just take a few minute break. Downloaded and installed the K-3 ver. 
1.03 firmware. Mounted the 1.4x teleconverter on my DA* 300/4.0, mounted the 
pair on a K-3, stepped outside and did a few quick snaps of a Downey 
Woodpecker on a feeder about 8 feet away. A sampling (3) of the results may 
be seen here:


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p649772105

AF was smooth and precise, no different than with the lens mounted directly 
on the camera.
Once I get past these deadlines in a week or so I will try to do a bit more 
evaluation, e.g., with other lenses both slower and faster, etc. Meanwhile, 
my quick assessment is that if you want/need a 1.4x, I can’t see any reason 
not to go with this one. Aside from the price which may or may not come down 
a bit.


stan

p.s.  Israel was a wonderful experience, Boris went above and beyond in 
assisting at many steps along the way, and the trip was a great success for 
us. In a week or two I hope to be able to get back into the 6000± images and 
assemble a small gallery to supplement or substitute for those I’ve already 
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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Ken Waller]

You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can 
encapsulate it in DNG.


Not sure what you mean by 'encapsulate it in DNG'.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: Re: Keep the PEFs?


A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is an 
8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the lack of 
compression losses.


You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can 
encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some standardization, but 
little else.


Godfrey


On Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, John  wrote:

Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he said
that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that was
the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.

I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
encapsulate them.



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RE: A* 85mm lens happiness

[mail1]

Am I to understand the Pentax A* lens fit the XT-1 Fujifilm X mount?
Jonathan

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On 15/03/2014 6:28 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 14/3/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> Was shooting today with the A*85/1.4 on the XT-1.
>> There was great joy in the experience, though the pictures are pretty 
>> mundane (my niece being molested by my Rottweiler).
>
> How do you find manual working with this combo? I presume you're 
> setting ISO manually, aperture manually and letting the shutter speed 
> take care of itself? If the speeds aren't in the right range, then 
> bump up the ISOP a bit?
>

Steve, it's just like using an LX. Set the ISO, set the shutter speed and
move the aperture to center the histogram.
Or, set the shutter to A, set the ISO and move the aperture to set the
histogram.
Bump the ISO if required.
While the camera forces me to use my A series lenses as K lenses, it seems
to get less in the way than the Pentax, I think because even after
10 years of using front and rear dials on the body, slipping back into using
the more traditional controls on top of the camera was like putting on a
comfortable shoe.
This may not be for everyone, but for anyone who has been doing photography
long enough to have used a full manual camera, the control familiarity is
wonderful.
I was also playing stabbing random buttons last night and found out just how
customizable the viewfinder it. In addition to being able to turn all the
overlays off and have a very big unobstructed viewfinder to look at, one can
also set the finder to a somewhat smaller output, probably about APS-C
sized, which makes it much easier to see the corners for us glasses wearers
(but also takes away part of the reason for buying the
X-T1 in the first place), and one can also set up a dual image where the
entire image is on the left side, and on the right side is a view of just
the focus point, much enlarged, which makes manual focus a snap.
On the subject of manual focus, the choice, in all viewfinder modes is plain
screen (no focus aids), what Fuji calls digital split image (self
explanatory), and focus peaking (including in the magnified views).
I know you mentioned that you were interested in what I had to say about the
camera, since I'm not a fanboi, but I have to warn you, I have very much
become a fanboi of this camera.
So far, the only niggles I have with it is the camera shake warning, which
cannot be turned off, and sits there like a wet fart in the viewfinder. It's
annoying, but can be ignored, or put outside the image area by dropping the
image size in the finder, the four way buttons are certainly on the small
side. The people complaining about them have a valid point. The buttons
really need to be sitting about a millimeter prouder of the body for
perfection, and the battery life (which is pretty ugly coming from Pentax).
There are decent workarounds for all of my complaints, and quit honestly,
they are the camera equivalent of First World Problems.
The vertical grip is not nice when using the camera horizontally, especially
with manual focus, manual aperture lenses, and because of the traditional
control layout and shape of the camera, the camera can be flipped into what
I find is a more comfortable shutter button down vertical position when
shooting. If I am doing a lot of verticals, such as a portrait session which
would pretty much be all verticals, then the battery grip becomes a thing of
beauty (and doubles the shooting life to something close to a decent number
of shots).
In use, this camera is as close as I have seen to an LX in a digital camera.
The control layout is virtually identical, and the size seems to be very
close as well. I might dig out an LX this weekend and do some size
comparisons.
Fuji has, for me, been almost uncanny regarding this camera. It's really
like they read my mind and custom built a digital camera just for me. 
The X-T1 doesn't get in the way.
Apparently a lot of people feel the same way, they are selling them faster
than they can build them.

bill


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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[P.J. Alling]

You can always find bright spots, and yes Canada is fine, but most of 
Europe the notable exception being Germany, is in sorry straights, Japan 
has never really recovered from it's recession from 20 years ago.  
Anyone who believes the official numbers out of China is as delusional 
as well the people producing those Chinese numbers.  Look at South 
America and the number of counties who's economies are bumping along the 
bottom. Most of the world Economy just simply sucks right now, and sadly 
doesn't look to be getting any better.  I only hope that we don't drag 
Canada down.


On 3/15/2014 4:18 PM, Bill wrote:

On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.


Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. 
Granted it is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the 
universe.
Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively 
unscathed simply because of better economic policies.


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Re: Books / Reference

[Ken Waller]

A recent read of mine which I found very insightful was 'The Photographer's 
Eye' by Michael Freeman. A look into composition and design of photographic 
images. I found some new ideas and learned about things I'd been aware of 
but not sure why they worked. Well written with images to demonstrate the 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Keeney" 

Subject: OT: Books / Reference



I recently started to read "Passionate Photographer" by Steve Simon
and got to wondering what others have as favorite photography related
books.

I'm more interested in techniques, picture taking processes and
history versus how-to's or picture books.

Thanks!
Ed
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Re: GESO: Croc Antics

[Christine Aguila]

Just showed the shoot to Darrel and he said great shot of a croc crossing the 
street!  :-). Seriously, he much admired your shot, Alan. 
Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:45 PM, "Alan C"  wrote:
> 
> This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a causeway 
> under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but immediately 
> climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The Goliath Heron 
> standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at fishing!
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642392353525/
> 
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Re: Sunflower

[David Mann]

Yes the trellis is quite small / fine.  We put it there so we could grow sweet 
peas in the planter box.

Cheers,
Dave

On Mar 14, 2014, at 5:16 pm, Alan C  wrote:

> You had me there! That's quite a small trellis then?
> 
> Alan CV
> 
> -Original Message- From: David Mann
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:21 PM
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> Subject: Re: PESO: Sunflower
> 
> I should mention that it's a dwarf sunflower, no more than a couple of feet 
> high and the flower is maybe 4" in diameter :)
> 
> On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:16 am, Alan C  wrote:
> 
>> Indeed. That's a whopper.
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: David Mann
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:44 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: PESO: Sunflower
>> 
>> Something to brighten your day :)
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/786/#peso
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Isn't  Camp coffee mostly Chickory?
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> It's a type of espresso machine that takes Camp coffee.
>
> B
>
>> On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:52, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
>>
>> To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about. :-). I 
>> mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo and 
>>> Brooks saddle. Sweet!
>>>
>>> That wall hanger is brilliant.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
 On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila 
  wrote:
 Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for
 storing your bikes.  Kind of cool.
 Cheers, Christine


 http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
>>>
>>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Bob W-PDML]

It's a type of espresso machine that takes Camp coffee.

B

> On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:52, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
> 
> To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about. :-). I 
> mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo and 
>> Brooks saddle. Sweet!
>> 
>> That wall hanger is brilliant.
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>>> On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila  
>>> wrote:
>>> Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for
>>> storing your bikes.  Kind of cool.
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
>> 
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Re: GESO: Croc Antics

[Bob W-PDML]

On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:46, "Alan C"  wrote:
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> This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a causeway 
> under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but immediately 
> climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The Goliath Heron 
> standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at fishing!
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642392353525/
> 

That second shot in particular is fantastic. The whole set would have been 
better still if you could have someone to stand next to the croc, for scale.

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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Bob W-PDML]

Note to Paul: Eurozone <> European Union.

> On 15 Mar 2014, at 20:55, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:
> 
> Note to Bill: European Union, common currency.
> 
> Paul via phone
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>>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 15/03/2014 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Europe has had a far tougher time than the US overall. Canada's economy is 
>>> small and manageable.
>> 
>> Some parts of Europe yes, others no, it depends on the country (note to 
>> Paul, Europe isn't a country). The whole point is that economies that were 
>> managed didn't really get hit, while economies that had insufficient 
>> controls got buggered.
>> 
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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Mark C]

That is a very good point, George, regarding the XMP file. I had noiced 
that PEF's always had an XMP file when edited, but DNG's did not, but 
never thought about it. Having the user edits embedded in the file 
strikes me as a good reason to use DNG, IMO.


Thinking about it - I must of lost the data saved in the XMP files when 
I converted my *ist and K10D PEF's to DNG...


Mark

On 3/15/2014 10:37 AM, George Sinos wrote:

I haven't contributed to the list for a while, but I don't think this
point has been raised.

If you use one of the non-destructive editors, such as Lightroom, your
edits aren't written to the PEFs or the DNGs.  In Lightroom the
changes and much of the metadata is kept in the Lightroom catalog.  If
you want those changes stored with the file (so other programs can be
aware of them) you'll need to change a setting in the preferences.

Once you make that decision, the data is stored differently with PEFs and DNGs.

Since the PEF file is proprietary, the data must be stored in a second
"sidecar" file.  This will have the same name as the original PEF, but
have the extension of XMP.  If you do anything with your files outside
of Lightroom you'll need to manage these two files yourself.

Since the DNG definition is public, the edit data is written back to
the DNG file.  So, you only have one file to manage.

Early Lightroom books recommended that you don't make this change
because the additional write slowed the editing process.  I've always
thought that was poor advice for most people.  Newer books recognize
that hardware is much faster and usually recommend changing this
setting as one of the first setup steps.

In my opinion the since the whole point of using a DNG is to help
future proof your files, it only makes since to store the edits and
metadata in the DNG instead of locking it up in the Lightroom Catalog.
  I the last couple of decades I've changed my primary editing and
organization programs at least a couple of times, and often use other
programs to supplement Lightroom.  I'd rather keep the data up to date
in each DNG as it changes than add a big export step to some future
migration.

And yes, to answer the original question, I delete the PEFs as soon as
I've verified the DNGs have been verified.

GS


George Sinos

www.GeorgesPhotos.net
www.GeorgeSinos.com


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Mark C  wrote:

When I started shooting in DNG format a couple cmaeras ago I convertered all
of my old PEF's to DNG's and dumped the PEF's. It is a small savings of
drive space per file, but across lots of files it adds up.

Mark


On 3/14/2014 7:40 PM, John wrote:

I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac
mini, rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers & getting
ready to add another NAS to my home network.

Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
contemplating revamping my photo storage and backups with the aim of
reducing unnecessary duplication in those backups. I know I should keep
a backup here and another off site, but I've got so many backups that I
can't be sure which files are adequately backed up and which files are
excessively, even OCD backups.

At the beginning of 2013 I switched from PEF to DNG for my RAW file
format. I have PEF files going back several years before that, with the
*ist-D, the K10D and the K20D.

I'm wondering if I should use Adobe's DNG converter on all those old PEF
files, and IF I do should I still keep the PEF files?

I would be amenable to receiving reasoned arguments (yes, I *know* it's
the PDML) pro & con on the subject.

1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
to the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
those to DNG as well?



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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[J.C. O'Connell]

Take the K-3 for example, what advantages are there if any to shooting 
pef vs dng?

jco


On 3/15/2014 6:17 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting John Coyle :


I'd ditch the PEF files once you have converted them, and backed up the
conversions, John.  If the TIFFs are not processed, I'd treat them 
the same

way, no point in having multiple formats around.
Don't know whether Ricoh/Pentax will continue with the PEF format for 
ever,

so a more common and widely-supported format makes sense as the original
format to use and keep.



There have already been some moves to abandon PEF.  The Q, K-01, K-30, 
K-50, K-500 only offer DNG - no PEF (there may be others). I 
understand that the K-3 offers both Raw formats but I wonder whether 
future cameras will do so.



Cheers

Brian

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John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 9:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Keep the PEFs?

I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac 
mini,
rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers & getting ready 
to add

another NAS to my home network.

Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
contemplating revamping my photo storage and backups with the aim of
reducing unnecessary duplication in those backups. I know I should 
keep a
backup here and another off site, but I've got so many backups that I 
can't

be sure which files are adequately backed up and which files are
excessively, even OCD backups.

At the beginning of 2013 I switched from PEF to DNG for my RAW file 
format.
I have PEF files going back several years before that, with the 
*ist-D, the

K10D and the K20D.

I'm wondering if I should use Adobe's DNG converter on all those old PEF
files, and IF I do should I still keep the PEF files?

I would be amenable to receiving reasoned arguments (yes, I *know* 
it's the

PDML) pro & con on the subject.

1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in 
addition to

the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert 
those

to DNG as well?







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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting John Coyle :


I'd ditch the PEF files once you have converted them, and backed up the
conversions, John.  If the TIFFs are not processed, I'd treat them the same
way, no point in having multiple formats around.
Don't know whether Ricoh/Pentax will continue with the PEF format for ever,
so a more common and widely-supported format makes sense as the original
format to use and keep.



There have already been some moves to abandon PEF.  The Q, K-01, K-30,  
K-50, K-500 only offer DNG - no PEF (there may be others).  I  
understand that the K-3 offers both Raw formats but I wonder whether  
future cameras will do so.



Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/





John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 9:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Keep the PEFs?

I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac mini,
rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers & getting ready to add
another NAS to my home network.

Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
contemplating revamping my photo storage and backups with the aim of
reducing unnecessary duplication in those backups. I know I should keep a
backup here and another off site, but I've got so many backups that I can't
be sure which files are adequately backed up and which files are
excessively, even OCD backups.

At the beginning of 2013 I switched from PEF to DNG for my RAW file format.
I have PEF files going back several years before that, with the *ist-D, the
K10D and the K20D.

I'm wondering if I should use Adobe's DNG converter on all those old PEF
files, and IF I do should I still keep the PEF files?

I would be amenable to receiving reasoned arguments (yes, I *know* it's the
PDML) pro & con on the subject.

1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition to
the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert those
to DNG as well?




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Re: OT: Lets play a game

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 2:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Static and noise?



nope. But I can understand where you are coming from.

bill


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Re: OT: Lets play a game

[Paul Stenquist]

Static and noise?

Paul via phone

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Bill  wrote:
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> Listen to the song linked here:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb3nicduLfM
> 
> Then guess why it relates to me.
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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Paul Stenquist]

Note to Bill: European Union, common currency.

Paul via phone

> On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 15/03/2014 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Europe has had a far tougher time than the US overall. Canada's economy is 
>> small and manageable.
> 
> Some parts of Europe yes, others no, it depends on the country (note to Paul, 
> Europe isn't a country). The whole point is that economies that were managed 
> didn't really get hit, while economies that had insufficient controls got 
> buggered.
> 
> bill
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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Europe has had a far tougher time than the US overall. Canada's economy is 
small and manageable.



Some parts of Europe yes, others no, it depends on the country (note to 
Paul, Europe isn't a country). The whole point is that economies that 
were managed didn't really get hit, while economies that had 
insufficient controls got buggered.


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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Paul Stenquist]

Europe has had a far tougher time than the US overall. Canada's economy is 
small and manageable.

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> On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
>> points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.
> 
> Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. Granted it 
> is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the universe.
> Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively 
> unscathed simply because of better economic policies.
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Re: GESO - Photos I've taken while accompanying Stan and Meg

[Attila Boros]

Nice set. I like City lights and Coffee break.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> You would hardly see them on the photos though :-).
>
> Have a look (34 photographs):
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/+BorisLiberman/albums/5987169289551355729
>
> All but the ones in Caesaria (the last ones chronologically) are shot with
> Ricoh GXR and just two lenses - Nokton 40/1.4 and Super Wide Heliar 15/4.5.
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> Consider it a spoiler should you too decide to come for a visit :-).
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> Have a great weekend!
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Re: PESO: Sunflower

[Attila Boros]

Very nice!

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:44 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> Something to brighten your day :)
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> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/786/#peso
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OT: Lets play a game

[Bill]

Listen to the song linked here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb3nicduLfM

Then guess why it relates to me.

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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 1:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid
points are made, especially about lenses and image quality.


Note also that it has been a tough economy primarily in the USA. Granted 
it is a fairly large market, but it is not the center of the universe.
Canada, as an example, has sailed through the past 10 years relatively 
unscathed simply because of better economic policies.


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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Tell her it's modern art, Chris.

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> On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Chris Mitchell  wrote:
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>> Brilliant! Just the job for my new bike. All I've got to do now is
>> sell it to Karin. Hmm. Any ideas as to how I might go about that?

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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Christine Aguila]

Well, I think this will work in the garage, but I don’t know if it would work 
on the walls of your lovely home.  What I think is cool about this is it’s 
usefulness for folks who don’t have a garage, renters like myself.  Though as 
you know, we don’t have much free wall space in my flat.  :-)

Cheers, Christine 




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> Brilliant! Just the job for my new bike. All I've got to do now is
> sell it to Karin. Hmm. Any ideas as to how I might go about that?
> 
> Chris
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> On 15 March 2014 15:28, Christine Aguila  wrote:
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>> your bikes.  Kind of cool.
>> Cheers, Christine
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Re: GESO: Croc Antics

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Wonderfully caught and rendered!

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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a causeway
> under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but
> immediately climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The Goliath
> Heron standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at fishing!
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Re: GESO: Croc Antics

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Wow, that second one of the croc is amazing. Body position perfect to get a 
nice full view of the creature. When my husband gets home I'm going to show him 
the shot. I think he'll be impressed as well.  Nice work Alan!  
Cheers, Christine 

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> This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a causeway 
> under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but immediately 
> climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The Goliath Heron 
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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

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To be sure it's been a tough economy, but I also think some valid points are 
made, especially about lenses and image quality.  Cheers, Christine 

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> On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:47 AM, "P.J. Alling"  
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> 
> The author puts all of the blame on the camera industry, forgetting 
> externalizes such as the generally lousy world economy over the last 6 or 7 
> years.
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/what_matters.shtml
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GESO: HD DA1.4x trial

[Stanley Halpin]

We got back from our Israel trip about 2:00a.m. Thursday, and about every spare 
minute since then I’ve been working against deadlines on all three of my 
part-time jobs. And thinking about filing taxes before i leave again in 2.5 
weeks. 

I did just take a few minute break. Downloaded and installed the K-3 ver. 1.03 
firmware. Mounted the 1.4x teleconverter on my DA* 300/4.0, mounted the pair on 
a K-3, stepped outside and did a few quick snaps of a Downey Woodpecker on a 
feeder about 8 feet away. A sampling (3) of the results may be seen here:

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p649772105

AF was smooth and precise, no different than with the lens mounted directly on 
the camera.
Once I get past these deadlines in a week or so I will try to do a bit more 
evaluation, e.g., with other lenses both slower and faster, etc. Meanwhile, my 
quick assessment is that if you want/need a 1.4x, I can’t see any reason not to 
go with this one. Aside from the price which may or may not come down a bit.

stan

p.s.  Israel was a wonderful experience, Boris went above and beyond in 
assisting at many steps along the way, and the trip was a great success for us. 
In a week or two I hope to be able to get back into the 6000± images and 
assemble a small gallery to supplement or substitute for those I’ve already 
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Christine Aguila]

To the non-cyclist, Frank, I have no idea what you're talking about. :-). I 
mean what's a grouppo?  :-). Cheers, Christine 

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> On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:40 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo and 
> Brooks saddle. Sweet!
> 
> That wall hanger is brilliant.
> 
> Thanks for sharing.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
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>> On 15 March, 2014 11:28:12 AM EDT, Christine Aguila  
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>> Cheers, Christine
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>> 
>> http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
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GESO: Croc Antics

[Alan C]

This 2½m croc was feeding on small fish flopping their way across a causeway 
under a few cm of water. As we approached, it dived for cover but 
immediately climbed back onto the causeway after we had crossed. The Goliath 
Heron standing nearby was obviously afraid to try its luck at fishing!


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642392353525/

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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[knarf]

Old-school Frejus track with what looks like full Campy Pista gruppo and Brooks 
saddle. Sweet!

That wall hanger is brilliant.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
frank

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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A sad misunderstanding from the early days of digital. TIFF in camera is an 
8bit RGB format and essentially no better than JPEG except for the lack of 
compression losses. 

You can never return an RGB format to mosaiced raw data, but you can 
encapsulate it in DNG. It does benefit from some standardization, but little 
else. 

Godfrey

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> Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he said
> that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that was
> the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
> long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.
> 
> I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
> encapsulate them.

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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[John]

On 3/15/2014 12:16 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?

If you're keeping the RAW files I'd say yes. After a time period
after RAW file conversion I generall delete the RAW files.


2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in
addition to the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for
the DNG files?

See answer to 1. above


3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I
convert those to DNG as well?

I wasn't aware you could convert .Tif files back to DNG



The *ist-D allowed you to use TIFF as your image format in camera.

I had a subscription to Popular Photography delivered to my APO address
in Iraq.

Herb Keppler (I think it was him) did a review of the *ist-D and he said
that since the camera offered TIFF as one of the image formats, that was
the way to go because the TIFF standard was likely to be around for a
long time and the various camera RAW formats probably not so much.

I don't know if you can convert them, but I think the DNG file will
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RE: Tropic of Capricorn

[Gerrit Visser]

Sometimes it is a ripple in the water:
http://travels.psgv.ca/wp-content/wp-hive/travels.psgv.ca/uploads/2013FarEas
t/IMGP7880.jpg
, other times it is fluffier:
http://travels.psgv.ca/wp-content/uploads/travels/2009/04/imgp0156.jpg

Gerrit

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The "Thin Blue Line"?

Alan C

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Interesting location.
I enjoy taking photos of the equator line when crossing it by ship. At least
in your case there is a plaque.

Gerrit

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North of Mopani Camp in the Kruger Park, visitors will find this "bump" in
the road coinciding with the Tropic of Capricorn. A popular spot for group
photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642377440685/

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Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

[P.J. Alling]

The author puts all of the blame on the camera industry, forgetting 
externalizes such as the generally lousy world economy over the last 6 
or 7 years.


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Re: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Alan C]

Agreed, but I wouldn't even dare. The garage will have to do!

Alan C

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Brilliant! Just the job for my new bike. All I've got to do now is
sell it to Karin. Hmm. Any ideas as to how I might go about that?

Chris

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Cheers, Christine


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Re: Tropic of Capricorn

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The "Thin Blue Line"?

Alan C

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Interesting location.
I enjoy taking photos of the equator line when crossing it by ship. At least
in your case there is a plaque.

Gerrit

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642377440685/

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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[John]

On 3/15/2014 8:33 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 15/3/14, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


If the speeds aren't in the right range, then bump up the
ISOP a bit?


*ISO*



Yeah, that too.

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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

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Brilliant! Just the job for my new bike. All I've got to do now is
sell it to Karin. Hmm. Any ideas as to how I might go about that?

Chris

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OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

[Christine Aguila]

Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for storing 
your bikes.  Kind of cool.
Cheers, Christine


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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[George Sinos]

I haven't contributed to the list for a while, but I don't think this
point has been raised.

If you use one of the non-destructive editors, such as Lightroom, your
edits aren't written to the PEFs or the DNGs.  In Lightroom the
changes and much of the metadata is kept in the Lightroom catalog.  If
you want those changes stored with the file (so other programs can be
aware of them) you'll need to change a setting in the preferences.

Once you make that decision, the data is stored differently with PEFs and DNGs.

Since the PEF file is proprietary, the data must be stored in a second
"sidecar" file.  This will have the same name as the original PEF, but
have the extension of XMP.  If you do anything with your files outside
of Lightroom you'll need to manage these two files yourself.

Since the DNG definition is public, the edit data is written back to
the DNG file.  So, you only have one file to manage.

Early Lightroom books recommended that you don't make this change
because the additional write slowed the editing process.  I've always
thought that was poor advice for most people.  Newer books recognize
that hardware is much faster and usually recommend changing this
setting as one of the first setup steps.

In my opinion the since the whole point of using a DNG is to help
future proof your files, it only makes since to store the edits and
metadata in the DNG instead of locking it up in the Lightroom Catalog.
 I the last couple of decades I've changed my primary editing and
organization programs at least a couple of times, and often use other
programs to supplement Lightroom.  I'd rather keep the data up to date
in each DNG as it changes than add a big export step to some future
migration.

And yes, to answer the original question, I delete the PEFs as soon as
I've verified the DNGs have been verified.

GS


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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Mark C  wrote:
> When I started shooting in DNG format a couple cmaeras ago I convertered all
> of my old PEF's to DNG's and dumped the PEF's. It is a small savings of
> drive space per file, but across lots of files it adds up.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 3/14/2014 7:40 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac
>> mini, rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers & getting
>> ready to add another NAS to my home network.
>>
>> Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
>> contemplating revamping my photo storage and backups with the aim of
>> reducing unnecessary duplication in those backups. I know I should keep
>> a backup here and another off site, but I've got so many backups that I
>> can't be sure which files are adequately backed up and which files are
>> excessively, even OCD backups.
>>
>> At the beginning of 2013 I switched from PEF to DNG for my RAW file
>> format. I have PEF files going back several years before that, with the
>> *ist-D, the K10D and the K20D.
>>
>> I'm wondering if I should use Adobe's DNG converter on all those old PEF
>> files, and IF I do should I still keep the PEF files?
>>
>> I would be amenable to receiving reasoned arguments (yes, I *know* it's
>> the PDML) pro & con on the subject.
>>
>> 1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
>> 2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
>> to the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
>> 3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
>> those to DNG as well?
>>
>
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RE: PESO - Regarding Henry

[Gerrit Visser]

Good contrast between fixed an moving objects. Nicely highlights the 
immovability of the sculpture.

(I am in the 'use slow shutter speeds' phase of my re-education, which probably 
explains why it appeals to me :-)

Gerrit

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Taken last autumn. The title's ironic:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/03/regarding-henry.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank
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RE: GESO: Tropic of Capricorn

[Gerrit Visser]

Interesting location.
I enjoy taking photos of the equator line when crossing it by ship. At least
in your case there is a plaque.

Gerrit

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North of Mopani Camp in the Kruger Park, visitors will find this "bump" in
the road coinciding with the Tropic of Capricorn. A popular spot for group
photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642377440685/

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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Bill]

On 15/03/2014 6:28 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 14/3/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


Was shooting today with the A*85/1.4 on the XT-1.
There was great joy in the experience, though the pictures are pretty
mundane (my niece being molested by my Rottweiler).


How do you find manual working with this combo? I presume you're setting
ISO manually, aperture manually and letting the shutter speed take care
of itself? If the speeds aren't in the right range, then bump up the
ISOP a bit?



Steve, it's just like using an LX. Set the ISO, set the shutter speed 
and move the aperture to center the histogram.
Or, set the shutter to A, set the ISO and move the aperture to set the 
histogram.

Bump the ISO if required.
While the camera forces me to use my A series lenses as K lenses, it 
seems to get less in the way than the Pentax, I think because even after 
10 years of using front and rear dials on the body, slipping back into 
using the more traditional controls on top of the camera was like 
putting on a comfortable shoe.
This may not be for everyone, but for anyone who has been doing 
photography long enough to have used a full manual camera, the control 
familiarity is wonderful.
I was also playing stabbing random buttons last night and found out just 
how customizable the viewfinder it. In addition to being able to turn 
all the overlays off and have a very big unobstructed viewfinder to look 
at, one can also set the finder to a somewhat smaller output, probably 
about APS-C sized, which makes it much easier to see the corners for us 
glasses wearers (but also takes away part of the reason for buying the 
X-T1 in the first place), and one can also set up a dual image where the 
entire image is on the left side, and on the right side is a view of 
just the focus point, much enlarged, which makes manual focus a snap.
On the subject of manual focus, the choice, in all viewfinder modes is 
plain screen (no focus aids), what Fuji calls digital split image (self 
explanatory), and focus peaking (including in the magnified views).
I know you mentioned that you were interested in what I had to say about 
the camera, since I'm not a fanboi, but I have to warn you, I have very 
much become a fanboi of this camera.
So far, the only niggles I have with it is the camera shake warning, 
which cannot be turned off, and sits there like a wet fart in the 
viewfinder. It's annoying, but can be ignored, or put outside the image 
area by dropping the image size in the finder, the four way buttons are 
certainly on the small side. The people complaining about them have a 
valid point. The buttons really need to be sitting about a millimeter 
prouder of the body for perfection, and the battery life (which is 
pretty ugly coming from Pentax).
There are decent workarounds for all of my complaints, and quit 
honestly, they are the camera equivalent of First World Problems.
The vertical grip is not nice when using the camera horizontally, 
especially with manual focus, manual aperture lenses, and because of the 
traditional control layout and shape of the camera, the camera can be 
flipped into what I find is a more comfortable shutter button down 
vertical position when shooting. If I am doing a lot of verticals, such 
as a portrait session which would pretty much be all verticals, then the 
battery grip becomes a thing of beauty (and doubles the shooting life to 
something close to a decent number of shots).
In use, this camera is as close as I have seen to an LX in a digital 
camera. The control layout is virtually identical, and the size seems to 
be very close as well. I might dig out an LX this weekend and do some 
size comparisons.
Fuji has, for me, been almost uncanny regarding this camera. It's really 
like they read my mind and custom built a digital camera just for me. 
The X-T1 doesn't get in the way.
Apparently a lot of people feel the same way, they are selling them 
faster than they can build them.


bill


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Re: PESO - Cozy

[Mark C]

That's cute!

On 3/14/2014 9:31 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13152923735/

Allergy warning: May contain a feline critter.

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Re: PESO - Feeling Blue

[Mark C]

Very elegant - classic!

Mark

On 3/2/2014 3:44 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Just for fun. No, it's not super sharp, you can  probably guess a few
reasons  why.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/blue.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)





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Re: PESO - A Few Favorites

[Mark C]

Nice "as found" still life Paul.

Mark

On 3/9/2014 4:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The upper shelf of my living room bookcase, far right side, holds some of my 
favorite volumes. All invoke memories of my uncle, Frank Oswald, who died of 
cancer way before his time, almost 40 years ago. Uncle Frank was a lover of 
books and I always looked forward to the volumes he would choose for me at 
Christmas and on my birthday.

Frank had fought in World War Ii and was stationed in London toward the end of 
the war. While there, he bought a number of nineteenth century volumes at a 
London used-book store. A few years before he died, when I was working on my 
M.A. in English Lit at the University of Chicago, he bought me the New Temple 
Shakespeare volumes. Published by J.M. Dent of London in 1935 and edited by 
M.R. Ridley, the New Temple Shakespeare includes scholarly annotation and a 
glossary of Elizabethan English.  And they’re beautifully printed on fine 
paper. Knowing that Plutarch’s Lives — the source of some Shakespearian plots 
-- is central to the study of the bard, Frank also gave me his 1864 volume of 
Plutarch, as translated by Langhorne.

In later years, my mother gave me some of the other treasures that Frank had 
found in London. All were printed between 1860 and 1905. They share the top 
shelf with Langhorne, Plutarch and Will.  Among them is a volume of Philip 
Freneau poetry. Freneau was a poet of the American revolution, who isn’t widely 
read these days and his work isn’t highly regarded by scholars, but there was a 
personal connection: in the 1980s I lived just down the road from Freneau’s 
birthplace. This collection was printed in London in 1861, but it can’t be read 
in full, because the folios were never cut apart, so only two of every four 
pages can be read.

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RE: PESO - Cozy

[Gerrit Visser]

A lovely fuzzy frame.

Gerrit

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http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13152923735/

Allergy warning: May contain a feline critter.

K-3, DA 35mm F2.8 Ltd Macro, f:3.2, 1/60th sec, ISO 1600.
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Re: Keep the PEFs?

[Mark C]

When I started shooting in DNG format a couple cmaeras ago I convertered 
all of my old PEF's to DNG's and dumped the PEF's. It is a small savings 
of drive space per file, but across lots of files it adds up.


Mark

On 3/14/2014 7:40 PM, John wrote:

I'm doing a *LOT* of computer work here lately, what with the new Mac
mini, rescuing old files off of my mother's old computers & getting
ready to add another NAS to my home network.

Among other things, in line with my attempts to declutter my life, I'm
contemplating revamping my photo storage and backups with the aim of
reducing unnecessary duplication in those backups. I know I should keep
a backup here and another off site, but I've got so many backups that I
can't be sure which files are adequately backed up and which files are
excessively, even OCD backups.

At the beginning of 2013 I switched from PEF to DNG for my RAW file
format. I have PEF files going back several years before that, with the
*ist-D, the K10D and the K20D.

I'm wondering if I should use Adobe's DNG converter on all those old PEF
files, and IF I do should I still keep the PEF files?

I would be amenable to receiving reasoned arguments (yes, I *know* it's
the PDML) pro & con on the subject.

1. Should I convert all the old PEF files to DNG?
2. Should I keep backup copies of all those old PEF files, in addition
to the two backups (on & off site) I intend to make for the DNG files?
3. Some of the *ist-D files are .TIF files - can I, should I convert
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Re: Poppy Shed

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dan, Knarf & P.J.
Much appreciated comments!

Jack




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The poppies are nice, but the color and texture of the wood is marvelous!

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
> On this glorious 77 F day, my wife and I went on a flower hunt. Found what we 
> had really been looking for; Poppies.
> Pleased to find them along the foundation of a weathering shed not too far 
> from the road.
> I did no fiddling with the shed color. Love how it came out. I could see a 
> hint of this tone, but the amount surprised me. What I did do was set about 
> 3/4 stop minus compensation so as not to have the poppies render overly 
> light. Shot at f13 and with the sensor on "Sel", moved down on the grass in 
> the center of the poppies.
>
> Comments invited.
>
> Jack
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> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=752
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Re: PESO - Cozy

[Jack Davis]

Sweet!

Jack




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http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13152923735/

Allergy warning: May contain a feline critter.

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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/3/14, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

> If the speeds aren't in the right range, then bump up the
>ISOP a bit?

*ISO*

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Re: A* 85mm lens happiness

[Steve Cottrell]

On 14/3/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Was shooting today with the A*85/1.4 on the XT-1.
>There was great joy in the experience, though the pictures are pretty 
>mundane (my niece being molested by my Rottweiler).

How do you find manual working with this combo? I presume you're setting
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GESO: Tropic of Capricorn

[Alan C]

North of Mopani Camp in the Kruger Park, visitors will find this "bump" in 
the road coinciding with the Tropic of Capricorn. A popular spot for group 
photos.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157642377440685/

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Re: PESO: A Breakfast Fit For A Monarch

[Attila Boros]

Very nice detail!

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:12 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> I was all ready to take a clichéd shot of a butterfly sunning itself but I 
> came too close and scared it off.  It landed on the lemon tree in a very 
> inconvenient place but I managed to get this photo through the leaves.  I've 
> cropped it a bit from the original.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/787/#peso
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> K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 Macro
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: PESO - Cozy

[Attila Boros]

With that look in the eyes it has mischief written all over it! I just
like cats too much:)

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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Re: PESO 2014 - 063 - GDG

[Attila Boros]

The wooden back is very nicely rendered.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
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> This morning in the cafe, a jumble of chairs caught my eye.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/13139059425/
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> Thanks for looking. Comments always appreciated.
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