date:20141021

It's not an Exit;  it's a TIX3.
Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the 
 reflection in the upper left.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg

 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)

 Comments?

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Re: Unexpected Autumnal Forsythia

Thanks, Rick.

My concern is whether now it will bloom in the spring.  I guess I
shall have to wait and see.

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On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes; our neighbor has one blooming. Weird, because it hasn't been a warm fall.

 Rick

 On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Forsythia is widely planted in this area, and it makes a spectacular
 show in the spring.  On the local highway, the Department of
 Transportation plants forsythia in the media over a stretch of several
 miles, providing a showy wall of yellow in late March or early April.

 I planted 5 small forsythia a couple of years ago.  The first spring
 there were only a few yellow flowers, but in spring 2014, they did a
 lot better, and two of the five were actually quite showy.  I have
 high hopes for next spring.

 Strangely, one of the five new forsythia has decided to bloom this
 fall, and it is currently almost equal to what it showed last spring:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882334

 Has anyone else had forsythia go into bloom in the fall?

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Re: OTish: Query concerning UK postal services

2014-10-21 Thread P.J. Alling

Stanley Knife and Duct Tape, tools of the trade for terrorists and 
kidnappers everywhere, (at least according to the TSA).


On 10/21/2014 9:02 AM, Alan C wrote:

Don't forget the Stanley Knife  Duct Tape!

Alan C

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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: OTish: Query concerning UK postal services

On 20/10/14, Stanley Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed:


I might take you up on the offer of labels, some bubble wrap, and tape.
The items under discussion are one camera body and one smallish 
Limited lens.


You can bet your sweet bippy that whatever boxes are for sale in the PO
they'll be either too small or too big. Also, I'm afraid I do a bit of
overkill when it comes to boxes - thin cardboard and even medium density
gets recycled - I only keep good quality thick cardboard, and all the
usual bits. I'll bring a selection of boxes and bits with me all
suitably priced for you, bring UK Sterling please ;-)




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OT Counterfeit external Hard Drive.

2014-10-21 Thread P.J. Alling

Here's something everyone should be aware of.  I apparently bought a 
counterfeit USB 3.0 hard drive about a year ago, from a major retailer.  
The short story, the local Sam's Club had a pair of Seagate 1TB GoFlex 
Drives on closeout for the ridiculously low price of $37.00 each.  So I 
jumped on the deal, and was very happy until about a week ago one of 
them died.


I tried to get a warranty replacement, and I can't.  I need the drive 
serial number and the one printed on the case isn't an actual Seagate 
serial number.


Now here's the interesting part, as I said, I bought a pair of them, the 
one that's still working /is/ not counterfeit.  It has an actual Seagate 
serial number and model number.


Now to the naked eye, except for the bogus serial number and bogus model 
number, the two cases appear to be identical, made of the same 
materials, in the same factory to the same quality level.  The only 
difference between the two drives is the silkscreen label on the bottom 
of the drives, and except serial number and part number, they look 
identical.



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Re: OT Counterfeit external Hard Drive.

2014-10-21 Thread Zos Xavius

do you have receipts? i would raise issue with sam's club

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's something everyone should be aware of.  I apparently bought a
 counterfeit USB 3.0 hard drive about a year ago, from a major retailer.  The
 short story, the local Sam's Club had a pair of Seagate 1TB GoFlex Drives on
 closeout for the ridiculously low price of $37.00 each.  So I jumped on the
 deal, and was very happy until about a week ago one of them died.

 I tried to get a warranty replacement, and I can't.  I need the drive serial
 number and the one printed on the case isn't an actual Seagate serial
 number.

 Now here's the interesting part, as I said, I bought a pair of them, the one
 that's still working /is/ not counterfeit.  It has an actual Seagate serial
 number and model number.

 Now to the naked eye, except for the bogus serial number and bogus model
 number, the two cases appear to be identical, made of the same materials, in
 the same factory to the same quality level.  The only difference between the
 two drives is the silkscreen label on the bottom of the drives, and except
 serial number and part number, they look identical.


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Re: OT Counterfeit external Hard Drive.

2014-10-21 Thread Charles Robinson

I second Zos' recommendation.  If Sam's sold you something bogus, take the 
issue up with them.  Even if it's been about a year and maybe you can't find 
the receipt. 

I know CostCo typically extends warranties for devices purchased through them.  
If Walmart and their ilk do the same, you might be able to swap that device out 
(for a legit one) for the cost of a drive down there.

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 14:56 , Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 do you have receipts? i would raise issue with sam's club
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Here's something everyone should be aware of.  I apparently bought a
 counterfeit USB 3.0 hard drive about a year ago, from a major retailer.  The
 short story, the local Sam's Club had a pair of Seagate 1TB GoFlex Drives on
 closeout for the ridiculously low price of $37.00 each.  So I jumped on the
 deal, and was very happy until about a week ago one of them died.
 
 I tried to get a warranty replacement, and I can't.  I need the drive serial
 number and the one printed on the case isn't an actual Seagate serial
 number.
 
 Now here's the interesting part, as I said, I bought a pair of them, the one
 that's still working /is/ not counterfeit.  It has an actual Seagate serial
 number and model number.
 
 Now to the naked eye, except for the bogus serial number and bogus model
 number, the two cases appear to be identical, made of the same materials, in
 the same factory to the same quality level.  The only difference between the
 two drives is the silkscreen label on the bottom of the drives, and except
 serial number and part number, they look identical.
 
 
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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

and yet... they add to the number of threes in the scene and I kinda 
like that.. and I'm drawn to that side of the photo - the blue adds to 
the whole I think


anyway, I like it

ann

On 10/21/2014 10:57, Richard Womer wrote:

Thanks, Brian. You're right: the reflection is not the photo's
subject; just an amusing accident.

Rick
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:


I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the
reflection in the upper left.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg

(K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)




Well seen and nicely composed.

I'm not sure the reflection adds anything.  I think the foliage shadows at
lower left are more important in the composition.



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Re: OT PESO - Horseshoe and Shears

2014-10-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:


Very nice.  I like the lighting, colors, and especially the textures.



Thanks, Rick.  I'm not quite sure I've got the processing quite right  
yet.  Jack mentioned a bit more light on the shears and I think that  
might improve it a bit.




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Rick

On Oct 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


Just a still life:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGO0302-E10-1-peso.html

http://tinyurl.com/jwufqfh

Comments, criticism most welcome.






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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

2014-10-21 Thread Eric Weir


On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
 ;-)

My grandfather had one 'a them—and an M.

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Re: OT Counterfeit external Hard Drive.

2014-10-21 Thread Larry Colen




Charles Robinson wrote:

I second Zos' recommendation.  If Sam's sold you something bogus, take the issue up with 
them.  Even if it's been about a year and maybe you can't find the receipt.

I know CostCo typically extends warranties for devices purchased through them.  
If Walmart and their ilk do the same, you might be able to swap that device out 
(for a legit one) for the cost of a drive down there.


Or credit card records.




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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

2014-10-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:


I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?




I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm  
quite happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I  
was never going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the  
Cloud model is a affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.


Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm  
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3.  
So, if Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd  
undoubtedly just go back to the earlier version even if that would  
involve an extra step in post processing to convert raw images to a  
CS3 readable format.


As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using  
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more  
than happy with it.




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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so 
when my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It 
registered and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I 
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation. 
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working

version from 2005 free forever? JCO

On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:


I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?




I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm 
quite happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I 
was never going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the 
Cloud model is a affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.


Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm 
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. 
So, if Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd 
undoubtedly just go back to the earlier version even if that would 
involve an extra step in post processing to convert raw images to a 
CS3 readable format.


As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using 
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more 
than happy with it.







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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they 
provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.

its freeware, no strings attached.
On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:
I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so 
when my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It 
registered and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I 
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no 
activation. yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working

version from 2005 free forever? JCO

On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:


I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?




I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm 
quite happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I 
was never going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the 
Cloud model is a affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.


Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm 
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. 
So, if Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd 
undoubtedly just go back to the earlier version even if that would 
involve an extra step in post processing to convert raw images to a 
CS3 readable format.


As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using 
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm 
more than happy with it.










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What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone support, 
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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

2014-10-21 Thread David J Brooks

are you sure. All i found is some 2013 info on deactivating CS2
application. Mine you i clicked on the Canada-English so it may not be
available to us Canucks


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they
 provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.
 its freeware, no strings attached.

 On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

 I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so when
 my hard drive crashed without backup recently
 I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It registered
 and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
 software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
 found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
 at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
 yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
 version from 2005 free forever? JCO

 On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:

 I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
 post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

 I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
 application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
 month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
 image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
 then approximate the year and date.

 I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
 photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

 Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
 myself into its Organizer product.

 Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
 not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
 the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

 Thoughts?



 I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm quite
 happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I was never
 going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the Cloud model is a
 affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.

 Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm
 honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. So, if
 Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd undoubtedly just go
 back to the earlier version even if that would involve an extra step in post
 processing to convert raw images to a CS3 readable format.

 As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using
 Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more than
 happy with it.







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Re: Yosemite

2014-10-21 Thread Bruce

I installed it recently.  Interface wise, it looks more like IOS 7/8.  I can't 
say as I like it better but it is ok.   I haven't really noticed any real 
problems yet.  I use Aperture and it has been running about the same.

As far as performance goes, I don't notice any difference as of yet.  I am 
running a Mac Mini Core i5 2.4ghz with 8gb of ram.  Generally, you want to stay 
relatively current if you can.  My wife hasn't reported anything yet.  I just 
told her that I was upgrading and have never shown her any differences.  She 
hasn't been stopped or lost by any changes made by Apple.

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 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow down 
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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

2014-10-21 Thread Bill


On 21/10/2014 3:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so
when my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It
registered and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO


Some of us actually use the features and improvements that the more 
recent software has. For people with simpler needs, an old version of 
Photoshop, or even Elements is fine.


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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

yes IM SURE as I myself downloaded and registered PS CS2 and also saved 
a copy to CDR forever.
there is a  web page ( sorry didnt save the url, dont need it anymore) 
with the download links

and the serial numbers to use for PS CS2.
jco
On 10/21/2014 6:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

are you sure. All i found is some 2013 info on deactivating CS2
application. Mine you i clicked on the Canada-English so it may not be
available to us Canucks


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they
provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.
its freeware, no strings attached.

On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so when
my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It registered
and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO

On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:


I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?



I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm quite
happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I was never
going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the Cloud model is a
affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.

Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. So, if
Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd undoubtedly just go
back to the earlier version even if that would involve an extra step in post
processing to convert raw images to a CS3 readable format.

As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more than
happy with it.







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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

2014-10-21 Thread Bruce

The 'forever' could be fleeting as at some point, there could be an 
incompatibility with current software (OS, drivers, etc).  So while it may work 
today, because it is so old, it may not work in the future - just don't know 
when that might be.

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 On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:02 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 yes IM SURE as I myself downloaded and registered PS CS2 and also saved a 
 copy to CDR forever.
 there is a  web page ( sorry didnt save the url, dont need it anymore) with 
 the download links
 and the serial numbers to use for PS CS2.
 jco
 On 10/21/2014 6:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
 are you sure. All i found is some 2013 info on deactivating CS2
 application. Mine you i clicked on the Canada-English so it may not be
 available to us Canucks
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they
 provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.
 its freeware, no strings attached.
 
 On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:
 I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so when
 my hard drive crashed without backup recently
 I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It registered
 and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
 software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
 found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
 at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
 yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
 version from 2005 free forever? JCO
 
 On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:
 
 I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
 post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.
 
 I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
 application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
 month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
 image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
 then approximate the year and date.
 
 I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
 photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.
 
 Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
 myself into its Organizer product.
 
 Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
 not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
 the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm quite
 happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I was never
 going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the Cloud model is a
 affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.
 
 Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm
 honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. So, 
 if
 Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd undoubtedly just 
 go
 back to the earlier version even if that would involve an extra step in 
 post
 processing to convert raw images to a CS3 readable format.
 
 As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using
 Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more 
 than
 happy with it.
 
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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

go here

http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html

and see step 2, under how to Install

jco

On 10/21/2014 6:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

are you sure. All i found is some 2013 info on deactivating CS2
application. Mine you i clicked on the Canada-English so it may not be
available to us Canucks

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they
provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.
its freeware, no strings attached.

On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually) with older versions of PS, so when
my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70. It registered
and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period. To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO

On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:

I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images. It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application. My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year). I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?

I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm quite
happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component. I was never
going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the Cloud model is a
affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.

Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. So, if
Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd undoubtedly just go
back to the earlier version even if that would involve an extra step in post
processing to convert raw images to a CS3 readable format.

As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either. I've been using
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more than
happy with it.

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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

well of course, if you want to pay $120 a year for the features gained, 
its worth it, by all means go for it.
But for me, I used photoshop CS for nearly 10 years and got very 
comfortable with it and CS2 was close
enough that I didnt have to relearn the software and it meets my needs 
at a price that cant be beat so

Im happy with that too.
On 10/21/2014 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:

On 21/10/2014 3:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually) with older versions of PS, so
when my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It
registered and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO


Some of us actually use the features and improvements that the more 
recent software has. For people with simpler needs, an old version of 
Photoshop, or even Elements is fine.


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Re: Yosemite

Hi Paul:

I am a big fan!  I have a mid-2011 21.5 inch iMac, with 4 gigs of RAM, and so 
far Yosemite is running just fine, and I had absolutely no problems during 
download on either desktop or laptop.  I do plan to add four more gigs to the 
desktop eventually.  Lightroom 5 runs just a tad slow, but not to the point I 
want to pull my hair out.  Once I add some RAM Lightroom-life will probably be 
pretty snappy on the desktop.  I have Yosemite on my early-2013 13 inch MacBook 
Pro/Retina, with 8 gigs of RAM and I move right along on it.  Lightroom 5 runs 
wonderfully on the laptop.  No problems with iOS 8 on the Air—now that is.  I 
did get caught in that little hiccup, but yesterday’s update smoothed all the 
lingering wrinkles out just fine, so I’m very pleased with the performance on 
the Air.  I don’t have a current iPhone—still using iPhone 4 (no S).  I do plan 
to upgrade, but just haven’t gotten around to it.  

The new interface, in my view, gives me noticeably more viewing space on the 
display for both desktop and laptop.  I don’t find the design childish or 
trite—it’s a little on the lollipop side in terms of color, but I find this 
brightens the viewing area—making it more cheerful.  I thought I’d miss the 
skeuomorphism design when Apple began to change over, but I find I actually 
prefer the current aesthetic. Skeuomorphism looks really heavy and dark when I 
use my old iPad 2 to watch Netflix on our TV.  Oh, I should add, I think Safari 
has really sped up—very snappy with the upgrade.

If I remember correctly, I can’t use Hand-off on my iMac—too old, but for sure 
I can use it with the laptop—though I haven’t tried it. 

So overall, I’m very pleased with the upgrades, but I do have to say, I don’t 
have a lot of apps on my desktop (or laptop)—I don’t run a full version of 
Photoshop or any other big name apps other than Lightroom.  I’m a very heavy 
user of the all the apps that come with the Apple hardware, so my CPUs and such 
are not heavily burdened with playing nice with a multitude of applications and 
files or sophisticated high tech configurations—and even after almost 4 years 
of use, I still have over 50% of my hard drive unused thanks to the cloud and 
external drive storage.  I may try to move my videos to external storage at 
some point—read a how-to article on how to do that—and if I did, I would really 
add a significant chunk of free space on the hard drive.  

So, so far I’m a happy bunny!
HTH.  Cheers, Christine






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 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow down 
 the machine. Any fans or foes here?
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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

I see four quadrants with something inside each quadrant. Perhaps the tree 
shadows help with the balance of elements in each quadrant. Good composition. I 
wonder if BW  rendering would compliment the abstract nature of the composition 
and the patters patterns. Just a thought. 

Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 and yet... they add to the number of threes in the scene and I kinda like 
 that.. and I'm drawn to that side of the photo - the blue adds to the whole I 
 think
 
 anyway, I like it
 
 ann
 
 On 10/21/2014 10:57, Richard Womer wrote:
 Thanks, Brian. You're right: the reflection is not the photo's
 subject; just an amusing accident.
 
 Rick
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:
 
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the
 reflection in the upper left.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)
 
 
 
 Well seen and nicely composed.
 
 I'm not sure the reflection adds anything.  I think the foliage shadows at
 lower left are more important in the composition.
 
 
 
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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

I'm one of those with simpler needs.. Elements 5 is fine with me - I 
don't use the organizer at all (except when I forget to uncheck it)
my filing system is simple camera used/date shots taken/dng  jpg saved 
with original name.   Things I like or at least -need- (think ebay) get 
file names that make sense to me.  I just hope whenever my lovely old

'puter really does crap out on me that windoze 7 with let me continue
to use the programs I know and love and leave my organization alone.

ann

On 10/21/2014 19:02, Bill wrote:

On 21/10/2014 3:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so
when my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It
registered and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO


Some of us actually use the features and improvements that the more
recent software has. For people with simpler needs, an old version of
Photoshop, or even Elements is fine.

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Re: OT PESO - Horseshoe and Shears

Hi Brian:  I like the elements in the window very much and I like the light 
there as well. I do find the branch on the right a little distracting.  Maybe 
crop out?  I know the light in the window is low key, but I like it and I think 
it affords nice detail in the elements. 

Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 
 Just a still life:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGO0302-E10-1-peso.html
 
 http://tinyurl.com/jwufqfh
 
 Comments, criticism most welcome.
 
 
 
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 Cheers
 
 Brian
 
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Re: Is Anyone Happily Using ISO 25,600 for Anything?

Nice to hear from you, Morris!  Hope all is well. You and Godfrey have given me 
an idea:  I might try some very high ISOs on purpose. Could be a fun 
experiment. 
Thanks!
Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net 
 wrote:
 
 Galloway, delurking for a moment, can remember  back in time, back, back, 
 when Kodak Royal X Pan was the only game in town for  FAST film, listed as 
 1,600 ASA, and it was pushable --
 sort of pushable.  And the results obtained were not as Good as 25,600.  
 During College, went out on assignment for a print magazine to a den on 
 iniquity, a GO-G0 bar (!) that was
 all soft green spot lights and drunk college kids, and shot a roll. I got 
 some shots.  The patrons and maidens were visible and clear. But there was so 
 much grain the advertiser thought it was taken inside a cereal factory.  
 Publisher had to sue for the quarter-page.  Alas!
   Wish I had a K-5, or 5ii,  or K-3 then!   We've come a Long Way Baby!  Sure 
 I use 25,600 , and I  turn and walk back inside with my possum pic, or 
 whatever, all the while considering that I could Never have captured anything 
 in those dark corners even with the best Germany and Kodak had to offer at 
 that time.
 
 Relurking now,   G
 
 
 
 
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Re: PESO-Sickly

I think the building and its doors are interesting. I wonder if you should warm 
it up a bit. Light is rendering a little bright and white on my display. 
Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Wife and I spent a few hours today leaf peeping in the central Sierra. Didn't 
 get much, if at all, beyond a 4,000ft elevation.
 Glorious weather and the beginnings of a beautiful leaf turn made it a fine 
 day.
 While checking out a small town in Plumas Co, we came across the building 
 linked below. 
 
 Comments?
 
 Jack
 
 My caption would be: I don't know what's wrong, I just don't feel right
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=834
 
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Re: Any probs remaining with K-3?

No problems with the k3. My k5 is now my back up, and I'm wondering if I need 
to send it in. The shutter doesn't sound right, though I can't decide if it 
just sounds odd because the k3 sounds so smooth and quiet.   I haven't shot 
with the k5 in so long I almost can't remember what it did sound like when I 
was using it regularly. 

Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Ralf R Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote:
 
 I'm thinking about buying a K-3 with the 18 - 135 mm lens and must admit I 
 haven't paid much attention to all the K-3 discussions. But I think I 
 remember threads about various probs like the famous mirror flapping bug.
 
 Has all this been dealt with, in the meantime, or are there any potential 
 probs one should be aware of?
 
 Does the K-3 suffer from the usual Pentax probs like sticking trigger button, 
 erratic rear thumbwheel etc. that I've had on practically all of my Pentax 
 DSLRs over the years?
 
 Ralf
 
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Re: Rain day abstract

Thanks, Dave!  Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:32 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 gotta go with number 2
 
 Dave
 
 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com 
 wrote:
 Little experiment on the way to work today.
 
 http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html
 
 Comments welcome.
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
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Re: Is Anyone Happily Using ISO 25,600 for Anything?

When I first got the K-5  I did this one on purpose, um, make that on 
purr-pose


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On 10/21/2014 20:42, Christine Aguila wrote:

Nice to hear from you, Morris!  Hope all is well. You and Godfrey have given me 
an idea:  I might try some very high ISOs on purpose. Could be a fun experiment.
Thanks!
Cheers, Christine

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wrote:

Galloway, delurking for a moment, can remember  back in time, back, back, when 
Kodak Royal X Pan was the only game in town for  FAST film, listed as 1,600 
ASA, and it was pushable --
sort of pushable.  And the results obtained were not as Good as 25,600.  During 
College, went out on assignment for a print magazine to a den on iniquity, a 
GO-G0 bar (!) that was
all soft green spot lights and drunk college kids, and shot a roll. I got some 
shots.  The patrons and maidens were visible and clear. But there was so much 
grain the advertiser thought it was taken inside a cereal factory.  Publisher 
had to sue for the quarter-page.  Alas!
   Wish I had a K-5, or 5ii,  or K-3 then!   We've come a Long Way Baby!  Sure 
I use 25,600 , and I  turn and walk back inside with my possum pic, or 
whatever, all the while considering that I could Never have captured anything 
in those dark corners even with the best Germany and Kodak had to offer at that 
time.

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Re: Is Anyone Happily Using ISO 25,600 for Anything?

Neato. Did you try a BW rendering?  Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 When I first got the K-5  I did this one on purpose, um, make that on 
 purr-pose
 
 ann
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-8GTTJcS/A
 
 On 10/21/2014 20:42, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Nice to hear from you, Morris!  Hope all is well. You and Godfrey have given 
 me an idea:  I might try some very high ISOs on purpose. Could be a fun 
 experiment.
 Thanks!
 Cheers, Christine
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Morris Galloway 
 morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 Galloway, delurking for a moment, can remember  back in time, back, back, 
 when Kodak Royal X Pan was the only game in town for  FAST film, listed as 
 1,600 ASA, and it was pushable --
 sort of pushable.  And the results obtained were not as Good as 25,600.  
 During College, went out on assignment for a print magazine to a den on 
 iniquity, a GO-G0 bar (!) that was
 all soft green spot lights and drunk college kids, and shot a roll. I got 
 some shots.  The patrons and maidens were visible and clear. But there was 
 so much grain the advertiser thought it was taken inside a cereal factory.  
 Publisher had to sue for the quarter-page.  Alas!
   Wish I had a K-5, or 5ii,  or K-3 then!   We've come a Long Way Baby!  
 Sure I use 25,600 , and I  turn and walk back inside with my possum pic, or 
 whatever, all the while considering that I could Never have captured 
 anything in those dark corners even with the best Germany and Kodak had to 
 offer at that time.
 
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Re: OT: Post-processing - CC vs. PSE

yes, I did use the word forever lightly.  Well as long as its 
compatible with future operating systems and it does work fine with win8 
for now.

On 10/21/2014 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

The 'forever' could be fleeting as at some point, there could be an 
incompatibility with current software (OS, drivers, etc).  So while it may work 
today, because it is so old, it may not work in the future - just don't know 
when that might be.

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On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:02 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

yes IM SURE as I myself downloaded and registered PS CS2 and also saved a copy 
to CDR forever.
there is a  web page ( sorry didnt save the url, dont need it anymore) with the 
download links
and the serial numbers to use for PS CS2.
jco

On 10/21/2014 6:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
are you sure. All i found is some 2013 info on deactivating CS2
application. Mine you i clicked on the Canada-English so it may not be
available to us Canucks



On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
correction, you need to download photoshop CS2 from adobe.com and they
provide a SERIAL number to go along with it, no activation is required.
its freeware, no strings attached.


On 10/21/2014 5:59 PM, J C OConnell wrote:
I get by fine ( quite nicely actually)  with older versions of PS, so when
my hard drive crashed without backup recently
I purchased a sealed copy of photoshop CS off ebay for $70.  It registered
and runs fine on win8 but I had trouble activating the
software past its 30 day trail period.  To make a long story short, I
found out the adobe is giving away photoshop CS2
at there website with a registration number and it needs no activation.
yippie! Why buy PS when you can get a good working
version from 2005 free forever? JCO


On 10/21/2014 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
Quoting Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com:


I currently use and older version of Photoshop Elements (v5) to
post-process my images.  It works and I've been happy with it.

I currently don't use the Organizer that is paired with the
application.  My organization is all in my head (I separate images by
month/year).  I don't have any tagging, so if I wanted to find an
image of my father-in-law, I would need to know which image I want and
then approximate the year and date.

I was thinking about moving to the Adobe Cloud offering for
photographers, $10/month and I get PS and Lightroom.

Should I just continue to use the standalone PSE product and get
myself into its Organizer product.

Since I don't upgrade too often (version 13 is the latest PSE), I'm
not sure its worth the $120/year for the full PS and Lightroom over
the $79 one time cost for PSE or a switch to the standalone Lightroom.

Thoughts?

I opted for the Adobe Cloud for photographers subscription and I'm quite
happy with it although I rarely use the Lightroom component.  I was never
going to be able to justify buying CS6 outright but the Cloud model is a
affordable way to get the latest version of Photoshop.

Previously I'd been using a hand-me-down version of CS3 and, if I'm
honest, there's not a lot more that CC offers that I can't do in CS3. So, if
Adobe increases the monthly subscription excessively I'd undoubtedly just go
back to the earlier version even if that would involve an extra step in post
processing to convert raw images to a CS3 readable format.

As for organisation, I don't use Bridge CC either.  I've been using
Studioline Photo Classic for years for image organisation and I'm more than
happy with it.

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PESOs (2) - Potsdam Dom

I had one free day in Berlin; a friend and I took a trip to Potsdam. This is 
St. Nicholas Church, the main one in town. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888070size=lg

and

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888071

(K-5, DA 16-45 and 10-17)

Is the Potsdam Dom the PotsDom?

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

Thanks, Christine!

Here's a BW version; a little play with the red channel made the Exit 
reflection vanish:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888072size=lg

Rick

On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 I see four quadrants with something inside each quadrant. Perhaps the tree 
 shadows help with the balance of elements in each quadrant. Good composition. 
 I wonder if BW  rendering would compliment the abstract nature of the 
 composition and the patters patterns. Just a thought. 
 
 Cheers, Christine 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 and yet... they add to the number of threes in the scene and I kinda like 
 that.. and I'm drawn to that side of the photo - the blue adds to the whole 
 I think
 
 anyway, I like it
 
 ann
 
 On 10/21/2014 10:57, Richard Womer wrote:
 Thanks, Brian. You're right: the reflection is not the photo's
 subject; just an amusing accident.
 
 Rick
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:
 
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the
 reflection in the upper left.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)
 
 
 
 Well seen and nicely composed.
 
 I'm not sure the reflection adds anything.  I think the foliage shadows at
 lower left are more important in the composition.
 
 
 
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 Cheers
 
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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

Good heavens! A message in code! I wonder what it says...


On Oct 21, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 It's not an Exit;  it's a TIX3.
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the 
 reflection in the upper left.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)
 
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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

Thanks, Don and Ann.

Rick

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 and yet... they add to the number of threes in the scene and I kinda like 
 that.. and I'm drawn to that side of the photo - the blue adds to the whole I 
 think
 
 anyway, I like it
 
 ann
 
 On 10/21/2014 10:57, Richard Womer wrote:
 Thanks, Brian. You're right: the reflection is not the photo's
 subject; just an amusing accident.
 
 Rick
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:
 
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the
 reflection in the upper left.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)
 
 
 
 Well seen and nicely composed.
 
 I'm not sure the reflection adds anything.  I think the foliage shadows at
 lower left are more important in the composition.
 
 
 
 --
 Cheers
 
 Brian
 
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Re: PESO - Ethereal Exit

Yep I like the BW better. I'd have to work it, but I might work the blacks and 
contrast a little, but like I said, I'd probably play around with the sliders 
some.  I think the BW works. Nice one, Rick. Cheers, Christine 

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 On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Christine!
 
 Here's a BW version; a little play with the red channel made the Exit 
 reflection vanish:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888072size=lg
 
 Rick
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 I see four quadrants with something inside each quadrant. Perhaps the tree 
 shadows help with the balance of elements in each quadrant. Good 
 composition. I wonder if BW  rendering would compliment the abstract nature 
 of the composition and the patters patterns. Just a thought. 
 
 Cheers, Christine 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 and yet... they add to the number of threes in the scene and I kinda like 
 that.. and I'm drawn to that side of the photo - the blue adds to the whole 
 I think
 
 anyway, I like it
 
 ann
 
 On 10/21/2014 10:57, Richard Womer wrote:
 Thanks, Brian. You're right: the reflection is not the photo's
 subject; just an amusing accident.
 
 Rick
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com:
 
 I was after geometry and shadows. When I processed it I noticed the
 reflection in the upper left.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17887344size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA40/2.8 Ltd.)
 
 
 
 Well seen and nicely composed.
 
 I'm not sure the reflection adds anything.  I think the foliage shadows at
 lower left are more important in the composition.
 
 
 
 --
 Cheers
 
 Brian
 
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 http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
 
 
 
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Re: PESOs (2) - Potsdam Dom

2014-10-21 Thread Bruce

I like this one.  The sky and angle of shot give it an imposing, powerful 
feeling.  Nicely done. 

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 On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I had one free day in Berlin; a friend and I took a trip to Potsdam. This is 
 St. Nicholas Church, the main one in town. 
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888070size=lg
 
 and
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17888071
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45 and 10-17)
 
 Is the Potsdam Dom the PotsDom?
 
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Re: Yosemite

Thanks Christine and Bruce. I installed Yosemite on my laptop. So far so good. 
If it works out okay for another day or two I’ll put it on my iMac — my work 
computer.  Doesn’t seem to have slowed things down noticeably, and this is an 
old laptop, a 2009 aluminum macbook with a 2 Ghz core duo processor.

Paul
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 
 Hi Paul:
 
 I am a big fan!  I have a mid-2011 21.5 inch iMac, with 4 gigs of RAM, and so 
 far Yosemite is running just fine, and I had absolutely no problems during 
 download on either desktop or laptop.  I do plan to add four more gigs to the 
 desktop eventually.  Lightroom 5 runs just a tad slow, but not to the point I 
 want to pull my hair out.  Once I add some RAM Lightroom-life will probably 
 be pretty snappy on the desktop.  I have Yosemite on my early-2013 13 inch 
 MacBook Pro/Retina, with 8 gigs of RAM and I move right along on it.  
 Lightroom 5 runs wonderfully on the laptop.  No problems with iOS 8 on the 
 Air—now that is.  I did get caught in that little hiccup, but yesterday’s 
 update smoothed all the lingering wrinkles out just fine, so I’m very pleased 
 with the performance on the Air.  I don’t have a current iPhone—still using 
 iPhone 4 (no S).  I do plan to upgrade, but just haven’t gotten around to it. 
  
 
 The new interface, in my view, gives me noticeably more viewing space on the 
 display for both desktop and laptop.  I don’t find the design childish or 
 trite—it’s a little on the lollipop side in terms of color, but I find this 
 brightens the viewing area—making it more cheerful.  I thought I’d miss the 
 skeuomorphism design when Apple began to change over, but I find I actually 
 prefer the current aesthetic. Skeuomorphism looks really heavy and dark when 
 I use my old iPad 2 to watch Netflix on our TV.  Oh, I should add, I think 
 Safari has really sped up—very snappy with the upgrade.
 
 If I remember correctly, I can’t use Hand-off on my iMac—too old, but for 
 sure I can use it with the laptop—though I haven’t tried it. 
 
 So overall, I’m very pleased with the upgrades, but I do have to say, I don’t 
 have a lot of apps on my desktop (or laptop)—I don’t run a full version of 
 Photoshop or any other big name apps other than Lightroom.  I’m a very heavy 
 user of the all the apps that come with the Apple hardware, so my CPUs and 
 such are not heavily burdened with playing nice with a multitude of 
 applications and files or sophisticated high tech configurations—and even 
 after almost 4 years of use, I still have over 50% of my hard drive unused 
 thanks to the cloud and external drive storage.  I may try to move my videos 
 to external storage at some point—read a how-to article on how to do that—and 
 if I did, I would really add a significant chunk of free space on the hard 
 drive.  
 
 So, so far I’m a happy bunny!
 HTH.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow 
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Re: Yosemite

Thanks Bruce. That's encouraging. I'm putting it on my laptop now and will 
install on the desktop in a few days if all goes well.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
 
 I installed it recently.  Interface wise, it looks more like IOS 7/8.  I 
 can't say as I like it better but it is ok.   I haven't really noticed any 
 real problems yet.  I use Aperture and it has been running about the same.
 
 As far as performance goes, I don't notice any difference as of yet.  I am 
 running a Mac Mini Core i5 2.4ghz with 8gb of ram.  Generally, you want to 
 stay relatively current if you can.  My wife hasn't reported anything yet.  I 
 just told her that I was upgrading and have never shown her any differences.  
 She hasn't been stopped or lost by any changes made by Apple.
 
 --
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Re: Is Anyone Happily Using ISO 25,600 for Anything?


Of Ashley?  never - gotta show off her jade green eyes :-)

actually - that shot really was just a test of the 25600 -
I confess I haven't shot very much above 1600 and always keep it as low 
as possible.  I love that k5 goes down to 80.


ann

On 10/21/2014 21:00, Christine Aguila wrote:

Neato. Did you try a BW rendering?  Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

When I first got the K-5  I did this one on purpose, um, make that on purr-pose

ann

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On 10/21/2014 20:42, Christine Aguila wrote:
Nice to hear from you, Morris!  Hope all is well. You and Godfrey have given me 
an idea:  I might try some very high ISOs on purpose. Could be a fun experiment.
Thanks!
Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

Galloway, delurking for a moment, can remember  back in time, back, back, when 
Kodak Royal X Pan was the only game in town for  FAST film, listed as 1,600 
ASA, and it was pushable --
sort of pushable.  And the results obtained were not as Good as 25,600.  During 
College, went out on assignment for a print magazine to a den on iniquity, a 
GO-G0 bar (!) that was
all soft green spot lights and drunk college kids, and shot a roll. I got some 
shots.  The patrons and maidens were visible and clear. But there was so much 
grain the advertiser thought it was taken inside a cereal factory.  Publisher 
had to sue for the quarter-page.  Alas!
   Wish I had a K-5, or 5ii,  or K-3 then!   We've come a Long Way Baby!  Sure 
I use 25,600 , and I  turn and walk back inside with my possum pic, or 
whatever, all the while considering that I could Never have captured anything 
in those dark corners even with the best Germany and Kodak had to offer at that 
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Re: PESO-Sickly

2014-10-21 Thread Jack Davis

Thanks for commenting, Christine! Punched up the white gradually because it was 
reluctant to lose a bit too much gray tone.
I may have overshot white on many monitors.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:46:11 PM
Subject: Re: PESO-Sickly

I think the building and its doors are interesting. I wonder if you should warm 
it up a bit. Light is rendering a little bright and white on my display. 
Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Wife and I spent a few hours today leaf peeping in the central Sierra. Didn't 
 get much, if at all, beyond a 4,000ft elevation.
 Glorious weather and the beginnings of a beautiful leaf turn made it a fine 
 day.
 While checking out a small town in Plumas Co, we came across the building 
 linked below. 

 Comments?

 Jack

 My caption would be: I don't know what's wrong, I just don't feel right

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=834

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Re: Yosemite

2014-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I've been testing Yosemite for several months on about five machines, off and 
on. The release is now installed on both my primary work systems (MBA13 early 
2012, MBP13 mid-2013, Mac mini mid-2012). It's proving to be completely solid. 
Lightroom, Filemaker Pro, Photoshop PS5, VueScan, FireFox, Kindle Reader, etc 
all working with no problems at all. Overall, snappier looks, simplified icons, 
faster operating. (The Mac mini with quad i7/2.6 Ghz, 16G RAM, and 960G SSD is 
very very fast now.) 

I installed iOS 8.1 today on both iPhone 4S (32G) and iPad mini (64G). I had 
iOS 8.0.2 installed before. 8.1 has improved speed and battery consumption is 
back to where it was with iOS 7 (iOS 8 sucked a bit of power…). Everything is 
working smoothly now. The Camera Roll has been returned to the Photos app 
(yay!) and scrolling is much improved. By and large, I'm positive on iOS 8, but 
it's a bit less of a happy happy than Yosemite on Mac.

G


 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow down 
 the machine. Any fans or foes here?


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Re: Yosemite

Thanks Godders. I installed 8.1 on an iPhone 6 plus that I bought the other 
day. It is a nice upgrade over 8.02. (Couldn't say no to the 6 plus at $139 
from Verizon.) I'm ploughing ahead now and installing Yosemite on the work box. 
A couple of hours of playing and opening apps yielded no surprises on the 
MacBook.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 I've been testing Yosemite for several months on about five machines, off and 
 on. The release is now installed on both my primary work systems (MBA13 
 early 2012, MBP13 mid-2013, Mac mini mid-2012). It's proving to be 
 completely solid. Lightroom, Filemaker Pro, Photoshop PS5, VueScan, FireFox, 
 Kindle Reader, etc all working with no problems at all. Overall, snappier 
 looks, simplified icons, faster operating. (The Mac mini with quad i7/2.6 
 Ghz, 16G RAM, and 960G SSD is very very fast now.) 
 
 I installed iOS 8.1 today on both iPhone 4S (32G) and iPad mini (64G). I had 
 iOS 8.0.2 installed before. 8.1 has improved speed and battery consumption is 
 back to where it was with iOS 7 (iOS 8 sucked a bit of power…). Everything is 
 working smoothly now. The Camera Roll has been returned to the Photos app 
 (yay!) and scrolling is much improved. By and large, I'm positive on iOS 8, 
 but it's a bit less of a happy happy than Yosemite on Mac.
 
 G
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow 
 down the machine. Any fans or foes here?
 
 
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Re: PESO-Sickly

Not too bad on mine , colorwise and I'm ususally very sensitive to it. 
-- giggling over Alan's calling next door house posh - maybe it 
doesn't have quite the emphasis of luxury over his way.


I like that sickly building... wonder about zooming in tightly on the 
doors and the roof


ann

On 10/21/2014 21:44, Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks for commenting, Christine! Punched up the white gradually because it was 
reluctant to lose a bit too much gray tone.
I may have overshot white on many monitors.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:46:11 PM
Subject: Re: PESO-Sickly

I think the building and its doors are interesting. I wonder if you should warm 
it up a bit. Light is rendering a little bright and white on my display.
Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:



Wife and I spent a few hours today leaf peeping in the central Sierra. Didn't 
get much, if at all, beyond a 4,000ft elevation.
Glorious weather and the beginnings of a beautiful leaf turn made it a fine day.
While checking out a small town in Plumas Co, we came across the building 
linked below.

Comments?

Jack

My caption would be: I don't know what's wrong, I just don't feel right

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=834

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Re: Yosemite

2014-10-21 Thread Tim Bray

Yosemite is known to break two things (well maybe more, these are the
ones I know of):

- muti-way Skype videoconferences
- Photoshop Elements releases prior to 13; the symptom is, none of the
selection tools work, they just lock up the app.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Thanks Godders. I installed 8.1 on an iPhone 6 plus that I bought the other 
 day. It is a nice upgrade over 8.02. (Couldn't say no to the 6 plus at $139 
 from Verizon.) I'm ploughing ahead now and installing Yosemite on the work 
 box. A couple of hours of playing and opening apps yielded no surprises on 
 the MacBook.

 Paul via phone

 On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com 
 wrote:

 I've been testing Yosemite for several months on about five machines, off 
 and on. The release is now installed on both my primary work systems (MBA13 
 early 2012, MBP13 mid-2013, Mac mini mid-2012). It's proving to be 
 completely solid. Lightroom, Filemaker Pro, Photoshop PS5, VueScan, FireFox, 
 Kindle Reader, etc all working with no problems at all. Overall, snappier 
 looks, simplified icons, faster operating. (The Mac mini with quad i7/2.6 
 Ghz, 16G RAM, and 960G SSD is very very fast now.)

 I installed iOS 8.1 today on both iPhone 4S (32G) and iPad mini (64G). I had 
 iOS 8.0.2 installed before. 8.1 has improved speed and battery consumption 
 is back to where it was with iOS 7 (iOS 8 sucked a bit of power…). 
 Everything is working smoothly now. The Camera Roll has been returned to the 
 Photos app (yay!) and scrolling is much improved. By and large, I'm positive 
 on iOS 8, but it's a bit less of a happy happy than Yosemite on Mac.

 G


 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow 
 down the machine. Any fans or foes here?


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Re: Yosemite

2014-10-21 Thread Charles Robinson

On Oct 21, 2014, at 17:49 , Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 What’s the skinny on the new OSX? It’s supposed to provide more iPHone 
 support, which is a plus, but are there drawbacks? Some have said the 
 interface is childish and trite. Others have said its gimmicks will slow down 
 the machine. Any fans or foes here?

The only glitch I've run into is that my older version of VMWare Fusion 
(v5.something) stopped working after my update.  Oh well, it was time to get 
current anyways.

Other than that: I've made my laptop freeze up entirely by turning on a 
bluetooth headset for music, then going into messages and clicking preferences 
/ audio-video so I've decided (after it happened twice) to just not do that 
anymore. 

LR5 works as snappy as ever, Safari is blazing fast, and battery life is just 
great!

I'm happy to hear iOS8.1 is better on performance.  I have a couple of friends 
who put v8 on their 4s devices and have been a bit disappointed in the speed.

 -Charles

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Re: PESO-Sickly

2014-10-21 Thread Jack Davis

I had a like reaction to posh, which appears to me to be behind the sickly 
shed.
May do some zooming in on parts of the doors in this image. It is located 
somewhat over 200 miles
away and much of it on a steep canyon road.
Much appreciated remarks, ann.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:46:16 PM
Subject: Re: PESO-Sickly

Not too bad on mine , colorwise and I'm ususally very sensitive to it. 
-- giggling over Alan's calling next door house posh - maybe it 
doesn't have quite the emphasis of luxury over his way.

I like that sickly building... wonder about zooming in tightly on the 
doors and the roof

ann

On 10/21/2014 21:44, Jack Davis wrote:
 Thanks for commenting, Christine! Punched up the white gradually because it 
 was reluctant to lose a bit too much gray tone.
 I may have overshot white on many monitors.

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:46:11 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO-Sickly

 I think the building and its doors are interesting. I wonder if you should 
 warm it up a bit. Light is rendering a little bright and white on my display.
 Cheers, Christine

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:



 Wife and I spent a few hours today leaf peeping in the central Sierra. 
 Didn't get much, if at all, beyond a 4,000ft elevation.
 Glorious weather and the beginnings of a beautiful leaf turn made it a fine 
 day.
 While checking out a small town in Plumas Co, we came across the building 
 linked below.

 Comments?

 Jack

 My caption would be: I don't know what's wrong, I just don't feel right

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=834

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PESO: Charge Point

Outside the Barnes Foundation Museum, Philadelphia:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17881519size=md
Comments are invited.

Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Steeplechase