Re: Thanksgiving
Cory - Our Colts play your Falcons this evening. Best to you no matter who wins - and Happy Thanksgiving to all you PDML'ers all over the world. We were lucky - our son arrived yesterday morning before the Indy airport loaded up. Ed in Indianapolis On Nov 22, 2007 9:35 AM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Thanksgiving day here in America. Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday will be... it's neck and neck). All the airports and highways are usually clogged to the breaking point or beyond. Family members across our nation were stressed to the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make the trip to Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can be one of the best days of the year. Accidents happen. Weather happens. Cars break down. People get drunk. Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for ever...happen. People who have nobody might eat TV dinners alone. We Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They and their loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid. Holidays cover the whole spectrum. But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, cranberries and of course the NFL. So it's not all bad right? I had the turkey feast with my family last night. I'm working tonight because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a game. It's the first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family and football all together on this day. It's a little weird. But I cant *really* complain. I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as the weather demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those leftovers anyway?), and lots of family who love me. It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're thankful for. I'm thankful for you lot. Admittedly, you're not in the top tier on my list evil grin Family and love take that spot pretty well. But my friends on this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life. So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes, really), and being friendly (mostly). Cheers. Cory Waters /moody /introspective -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Floats
Impact, rhythm, and the illusion of motion lift your float capture above the usual pattern shot. Good work! Ed On Nov 17, 2007 5:55 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Seattle harbor, next to a pier, was this...umm...thing. I think it is designed to contain an oil spill. The pattern and colors intrigued me. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6650354size=lg K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, f/4 at 1/6, handheld, RAW via Lightroom. Some of the floats are a bit blurred because they were moving with the waves. If I had come upon this scene earlier in the evening I would have played with it (and been able to use a faster shutter speed), but the light was fading fast. Comments cordially invited. Rick Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bowling Night
I had to look a long time, but vertical banding seems to show up in the black t-shirts. Ed On Nov 13, 2007 7:20 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 8:55 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see the vertical pattern noise. Where do you see it? I'll post an enlarged clip. I've examined the tiff at up to 200%. There's some conventional noise -- it's ISO 500 -- but nothing that appears to create a pattern of any sort. Odd. it's quite obvious to me in the dark shirts of the 2 nearest ladies. It's not particularly strong, but the vertical banding is there. Cheers, Dave http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6634039size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A PDML jubilant?
On Nov 9, 2007 12:26 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: AlunFoto Subject: A PDML jubilant? IIRC, William Robb is turning 50 one of these days. I'll risk trusting my memory: Happy birthday, Wheatfield. :-) Thanks Jostein. Today is the sad day. Bill Congratulations, Bill - no sympathy from here though. I did that 23 years ago. Best and many more, Ed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
So it is the damned MBA's who want to make the corporation profitable? I thought it was because digital capture is rapidly replacing transparency film. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I switched to Fuji slide film years ago, but I will miss HIE. BTW, P.J. spells his last name O'Rourke - thought you would like to know :-) Ed. On Nov 9, 2007 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that sucks, but it's not unexpected. Kodak is run by the best available MBAs after all. Scott Loveless wrote: Dated November 2. http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25lc=en http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Transporting wet prints
On Nov 6, 2007 2:57 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's okay with fiber based paper. Resin coated paper can't be washed that long. It will fog. Alternatively, you could string a piece of clothesline across the back seat of your car and hang the prints with clothespins to dry as you drive. Turn the heat up! Paul Thanks, Paul. I was unaware that the resin coated paper would fog. The string is a wonderful idea. I'm sure my wife will get over the wet spots in the cargo area. :) -- Original message -- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, gang! Gots another darkroom question. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ Long wash times may wash out the brightener in RC paper, but they won't cause fog. Some papers may begin to separate after 20 minutes or so. Ed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Transporting wet prints
You should throw them away. I have used RC paper since 1975 and only the older papers were subject to fog (maybe), particularly Kodak, i will try to 'fogwash' some current Ilford paper. Perhaps it is the loss of brightener in your papers. To me, loss of brightness is not the same as fog. Ed Ed On Nov 6, 2007 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a lot of fogged RC prints I can show you. Perhaps it's actually separation that causes the fogged look, but fog is the visual result. You're right. It takes about twenty minutes of soaking to ruin RC paper. -- Original message -- From: Ed Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 6, 2007 2:57 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's okay with fiber based paper. Resin coated paper can't be washed that long. It will fog. Alternatively, you could string a piece of clothesline across the back seat of your car and hang the prints with clothespins to dry as you drive. Turn the heat up! Paul Thanks, Paul. I was unaware that the resin coated paper would fog. The string is a wonderful idea. I'm sure my wife will get over the wet spots in the cargo area. :) -- Original message -- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, gang! Gots another darkroom question. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ Long wash times may wash out the brightener in RC paper, but they won't cause fog. Some papers may begin to separate after 20 minutes or so. Ed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Brit and proud
From: Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is all known by me. Best regards, Hans. ...and worst regards to you, glueck. When you and Mishka take every opprortunity to turn the PDML into an avenue for spreading your pseudo-wisdom, it is time for me to leave. Bob - Whatever the best is for your son, I hope for it. May he heal and prosper. Goodbye for now. Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Dumb question about the 645
Did the original 645 have a removable finder so it could be used as a waist level camera? Ed _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom
I agree with this. I am annoyed, though, by those who write or say that you are not a serious or conscientous photographer if you use zooms. (I don't claim that this was said on PDML, but we were pointed recently to an article that did say something like that.) I once waited 6-1/2 hours for the right light to photograph a scene. Then I photographed it with the FA 20-35 f4 and got a fine image. Am I less than a serious photographer? Joe Joe - Many serious and conscientious photographers use zooms with great frequency. They are, however, not supposed to admit it on message boards g. Ed _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Sadly another one goes
Sorry for the post.I feel better typing this to my group of friends. Dave No apology needed. Speaking as a person owned by two cats, you have my sympathy. Regards, Ed _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: Seeing IR
I thought there might be a IR group out there. http://www.cocam.co.uk/CoCamWS/Infrared/INFRARED.HTM http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm Regards, Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: OT: Seeing IR
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought there might be a IR group out there.How does one join these folk? To subscribe to the infrared photography discussion group, send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message: SUBSCRIBE INFRARED if you prefer the digest: subscribe infrared-digest Regards, Ed _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Camera Clubs - worrth it?
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few of you have mentioned recently that you belong to or once belonged to camera clubs. What's it like? Lon, your question is too broadg. Camera clubs are all over the place in their procedures, goals, and activities. Our club meets twice each month, taking a hiatus in July and August. We have 35 or so active members, most of whom are 'serious advanced amateurs'. We have seven internal competitions annually and participate in several more salon competitioins and gallery shows. e also have a few group outings (shoots).The internal competitions (which include Open and a Topic) are juried by invited judges. The remainder of our meetings are photo-educational and sometimes just photo-entertaining. Although most members are well-supplied with equipment, most are avid photographers, and not just gearheads. Insofar as competition success is concerned, the group is friendly and mutually supportive. Our group is dominated by 35mm, although a few of also use medium format. Film capture outnumbers digital capture by a wide margin. The club is almost evenly split between men and women. The age ranges from 25 to old - at 68, I am well above the median. We are fortunate to have our meeting room furnished without charge by a local private club. You may be interested in our competition judging, which is perhaps a factor in our almost exclusively good relations among members. We no longer ask judges to rank images by 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Honorable Mention. Instead, images are awarded Merit, Special Merit, and Honor Image. Thus, a judge is not forced to choose among good quality but drastically different images. My years in the club have taught me much about applied photography; I have also learned that camera clubs vary greatly from group to group. If any PDML'er passes through Indianapolis on the second or fourth Thursday of the month, I would like to have him/her as my guest at a meeting. Just e-mail me here or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Camera Clubs - worrth it?
I forgot to mention that about a dozen of us shoot black and white at least part of the time. Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Camera Clubs - worrth it?
Nothing like our organization, but I have judged for a couple of clubs like you describe. Ed From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Camera Clubs - worrth it? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:21:21 EDT Only in my experience; a little like this list, only you get to do some some real PuGilism. Only ever enter competitions when you have a thick skin or a great left hook. Cheers Peter _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Cheerleading Part Deaux
Marnie aka Doe :-) My macro stuff has been fairly frivolous so far. Enjoy photography frivolity, but never admit it g. Ed _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Cheerleading Part Deaux
You CHEATED, Ed! Whiningly yours, Lon. lol. I had to cheat. I am not patient enough to make it all day with one lens. Best, Ed Ed Matthew wrote: Interesting choice. If I had to give up all but two lenses (don't ask me to go to one lens:-), I would keep my M50/1.4 and my M75-150/4 - even though I rarely use the 50 and most of my shooting is with AF lenses. Ed From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] What we need is a good ole fashioned thread where everyone gets to justify a magic piece of Pentax equipment. So: If you had to go photograph, and you didn't know where or what or why, what lens would you take with you? You get only one. I, personally, would take an M50mm f1.4. Fast if you need it, can be pressed into service as a near portrait lens, capable of good scenics, and fast for any available light opportunities. The closest zoom I have to this is an A 35-70, but it ain't nearly as easy to focus, so I'd leave it behind. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: High-end film bodies (WAS: Re: *ist D was not production type :-()
Can you really blame the voters for who's running things? regards, frank Tom didn't refer to the President. He said politicians. It takes no particular knowledge/intellectual application/judgment to blame problems on the politicians. Never forget where elected politicians come from. In answer to your question, blame them or credit them, Yes. What in hell does this have to do with Pentax? After reading this list for a few years, I sometimes wonder what this list has to do with photography g. Ed _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: No J-Lo, Pampita rules!!! was Re: D-ist blurb in American Photo magazine
If you think J-Lo is beauty, you must see this: http://www.pampita-ardohain.com.ar/ It's worth some web-surfing. She is awesome Regards Albano ...a long way ahead of J Lo. Thanks. Ed _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: Happy Birthday Canada
And for our neighbours to the south, you are worthy of our friendship. I hope we are worthy of yours. Just kidding. And I hope that we are and continue to be worthy of Canada's friendship. National differences of opinion mean little; national good neighbors mean more than I can say! Too bad this isn't a worldwide view. Not kidding :-) Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Happy Birthday Canada
From north of the bridge, indeed! Happy Birthday Canada, from south of Lake Michigan. I have travelled in your country several times, most recently from Banff to Vancouver on the Rocky Mountain Express. It is a great country. Enjoy your holiday. Considering what our people have in common, the differences are pretty damned unimportant. Ed Matthew Indianapolis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
RE: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
You regularly make snide and derisive comments about anything having to do with digital. Personally, I find your attitude annoying, and your opinions ignorant. tv I have found that an application of Preparation Delete removes the PITA he causes. Best, Ed _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph?
Valley??? Sinkhole, maybe g?. Ed Been a long time in this valley. When do we get to climb the next mountain? Otis Wright T Rittenhouse wrote: Well, I submit that each handmade custom photographic print is distinct, that an expert can tell if it was printed by the photographer or by someone else, that even two prints by the same photographer from the same negative in the same printing session can be distinguished from one another. Whereas, an inkjet or other photo-mechanical reproduction can be made by anyone and is indistinguishable no matter who prints them. Uniqueness does enhance value. I guess it is just a case of being annoyed by people who use words to mean what they want, rather than using words that say what they mean. When I choose the wrong word, it is because I chose the wrong word. I resent it when someone else chooses the wrong word then argues that I am stupid because I didn't understand him. Sometimes I think it is a wonder that humans can communicate at all. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you're being too narrow in your view, Tom. The best quality photographs may well be prints made from negatives directly on to photographic paper (although I've seen some pretty damned good ink-jet prints - some done by Aaron come to mind), but that doesn't render everything else a non-photograph, imho. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph?
At 09:33 PM 6/20/2003 -0500, Ed Matthew wrote: I make Ilfochromes, and both fiber-based and RC monochromes. However I have no problem with calling an inkjet print a photographic print. ...and grin I see no problem with your refusal to accept inkjet prints as 'photographic prints'. As Dickens once put it - It's a wonder you don't run for Parliament! =:-0 MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino G I might first have to break in via the Indiana state legislature - not an appealing thought. BTW, your Michigan lighthouses would be excellent even if they became non-photographic prints by being printed on non-photographic inkjet paper via a non- light sensitized computer by a non-photographer working in a non-darkroom. I sent your link to some lighthouse enthusiasts in our photography club. They may choose to change to a different favorite subject. Regards, Ed _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Velvia (wasRe: Exposure)
It can be projected, and looks good if you have a powerful enough lamp. The standard entry level 150 W is underpowered, 250 W works well, some Kodak carousel models have 300-350W lamps, and if you're really nuts you may go for a 500 W xenon lamp. Which will blow away your mind, you just won't believe those images. cheers, caveman My experience is the same. Ed _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Velvia (wasRe: Exposure)
won't that reduce the life of the slides to a few dozen viewings? Not in my experience. However, the best/least expensive dupe is accomplished in camera - one to print on Ilfochrome (or scan) and one to project. Paranoia does have some value. Ed Herb It can be projected, and looks good if you have a powerful enough lamp. The standard entry level 150 W is underpowered, 250 W works well, some Kodak carousel models have 300-350W lamps, and if you're really nuts you may go for a 500 W xenon lamp. Which will blow away your mind, you just won't believe those images. caveman _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: OT: Slide projector recommendations
Dear Ed and Kenneth, If you are looking for a new projector check out the Kodak Ektagraphic series, it's what I've seen most used by the pros - before digital projection. I'm no expert, but I was told the only difference between the cheaper Kodak carousel projectors and the Ektagraphic projectors in the precision of the slide registration from one machine to another so they can be used to do dissolves between two projectors and so forth. That if you are going to only use one projector, there is little reason to go to the Ektagraphic line. Now I imagine the truth is more like that the _main_ difference is the machine to machine registration, but I thought I mention what the _salesman_ told me! :-) - Have fun! THaller Due to school use (past -retired now), photo club use, and personal use, I am familiar with both the Ektagraphic line and the standard carousel line. The Ektagraphics seem slightly sturdier. I would guess that machine to machine registration *is* the main difference, as you imply. Regards, Ed _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: Slide projector recommendations
An old Bell Howell slide cube projector or Kodak carosel will be just fine. The slide cubes are easy to load and sort, carosels are less so. The big images will amaze you. Based on my experience years ago with two Bell and Howell slide cube projectors, I would suggest that they be avoided. Both were purchased new, both soon developed tendencies to jam. Garnted different preferences exist, but I find the carousels easier to load and easier to correct loading errors. Do not make the mistake of dropping two sllides into the same carousel slot - the resulting jam is fixable but frustrating. In reference to another post, the Leitz Prdovit is probably a better projector/lens, but carousel loading is easier. The task of viewing more than 100 slides is daunting. I would get a magnifying loop and a light box for sorting thru them. The whole kit would be under US$75 new. Spread the 36 slides out on the light box, look at them overall, check the interesting ones with the magnifying loop, pick-out the best to display in the projector. Emphatically agreed. Regards, Ed _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Quote of the Day
Minolta also changed mounts, but that did not prevent them to be now in such a poor shape that they're looking for a buyer for the company (I hear they're in talks with Konica). cheers, caveman Konica and Minolta announced their merger in January 2003. Ed _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Compatibility
Roland Mabo wrote: The Nikon F/N 75 is in the same market segment as the *ist. Isn't it strange that all Nikon's models below the F/N 80 are so bad (under featured cameras with strange restrictions), and still manage to sell in bucket loads? It is not at all strange. It is a matter of public perception. The camera bodies say *Nikon*. Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Odd Lens
Daniel Liu schrieb: Well, this is a little bit arcane to say the least, but i just looked at this old zoom lens' mount. It sports a KA mount, only it also features a tiny protruding contact that doesn't touch any of the contacts on the camera. I looked at the inside of the lens, and it seems the contact is connected to a resistor. To top it all off, two of the regular contacts are plastic, and three are little recessed metal bits. On the outside, it's a 28-85mm f/3.5-4.5 CPC Auto zoom. The apeture ring is also labled KR, so I'm guessing it was made for a ricoh k mount. Any thoughts? Hi, as far as I can remember, Ricoh released it's own kind of KA-mount for the XR-P. This mount wasn't compatible with Pentax' KA-mount. Sigma then claimed to have the only line of lenses compatible both for Ricoh and Pentax-A. I have two such manual focus lenses, the Sigma 18mm/f2.8 and the 75mm/f2.8~200mm/f3.5 (both ca. 1986) - but never had a Ricoh to test this. They called it KPR-mount. On my MZ-3 it works just fine. (But this won't help you, I'm afraid.) Greetinx, Thomas Lea's Register describes the lens mount for the XR-P as follows: Interchangeable Ricoh R-K bayonet (modified Pentax K with contacts for programmed AE modes.) The XR-P accepts the P 50 1.7 auto and K mount lenses in aperture-preferred and manual modes. Regards, Ed _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
BTW A system which *really* changed the mount twice was Mamiya (their 35mm system). Their ZEX system was way ahead of others at its time but it meant a second change in lens mount within 2 or 3 years. The ZEX mount was the first fully electronic lens-body interface. Mamiya changed their 35mm system mount more than twice. They used the 42mm screw mount through 1975, adding the XTL bayonet in 1971. The 1971 NC1000 had a different bayonet.The electronic ZE mount, not compatable with the NC mount appeared in 1980. Regards, Ed _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Late Saturday fun
It always seemed to me that the purpose of a hobby is to have fun. If you are having fun who the heck cares what someone else thinks of your hobby. By the way, according to Mr. Rockwell, we are all in hell because we frequent this mailing list. Rating of his site: Just another Pseudo-Pretentious Jerk. Ciao, Graywolf I thought his site was funny - as in fun being a part of the hobby. I don't think that Mr. Rockwell intended to be taken entirely seriously. Note the *many* messages here regarding the *ist and the *D ist. Fun to discuss, fun to read (well, for a while) and it goes on and on. My take is that he is laughing at all of us - himself included. When the instrument in hand becomes more considered than its purpose, the joke is on us. ...and it remains fun. Regards, Ed _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: bulk film loaders?
What is to stop him from using 'good film' bought in bulk? Ed Don't. Use expensive, good film. You'll be more critical to what you see in the viewfinder, and will do more planning, and eventually you'll get better pics. Brendan wrote: Ok who had some of these for sale cheap? _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Moronism and more OT crap
From: Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Irrespective of nationality a moron is a moron Agreed. Interestingly enough, as a Brit living in France for over ten years , I have discovered that many French, like Americans, do not travel well, Shouldn't you have said 'many Americans' rather than implying that you meant 'all' Americans? Just as a question - do Brits travel well by your standards? They certainly receive travellers well based on my several trips to the UK. if at all , in fact only around 10% have passports [a statistic shared with the USA, ] which produces a cerain sort of xenophobia [shared with the USA] Please don't regard us all as Xenophobes. We have our share, certainly. I would expect Europeans in general to be less Xenophobic than Americans due to the circumstance of geography. rooted in a fear of not speaking the language, not understanding the currency, mistrusting the food, and a belief that there is no need to travel as everything good is at home [does this sound familiar US readers?] Not to all of us. I have travelled in thirty-one countries outside North America, including France, which I enjoyed. I think you may have more in common than you think.. Indeed. Many Americans, like many other nationalities, and some expatriates, seem to have all the answers. I had a citroen 2v for some time ...great !The DS convertible and the SM have to be two of the sexiest cars ever made, grin There is no accounting for personal taste or sexual preference. pity like so many car companies now everything is soo boring. And, in the case of Japanese cars, dependable. I haven't owned an American car since 1983. I have never owned a Citreon. I have no regrets about either. The antifreeze was indeed Austrian wine,good French wine like so many things here is REALLY GOOD! French wine here is good, too. It isn't as good as bourbon, but as I said, there is no accounting for personal taste. Clive Antibes France Did you feel better after your brief dissertation? Mine made me feel better. The bourbon helps too. Ed Indianapolis Indiana _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Vs: Vs: Moving on!
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce, could you pass the Matzah Balls please? WW grin Shouldn't that be Matzo Balls? Ed _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Moving on!
Exclude, perhaps not. However, you could change the subject line so that the war topics are easier to skip. This line started as a message about Tom going on the road. Ed From: Cycad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups are supposed to be about conversation, you can't demand to exclude topics that don't interest you. You don't have to read 'em if you don't want to. Andy Phillips _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Moving on!
All the best Tom. Come back as soon as you can. Ed --- T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I will be unsubscribing again Saturday night for an indefinate period. Going north to drive a bit in a friend's truck. Don't know if it will result in a job for sure, but it will definately get me a reference. Anyone wanting to e-mail me while I am on the road should use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Now I need a lens or two
From: collinb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Now I need a lens or two Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:50:56 -0500 Sold the two lenses last week. (43 A100) Hated to do it, but had to. Nobody wanted the bodies, so it looks like they'll stay. Now I need just a basic 50mm lens. Something to allow me to shoot. A or K 50/1.7. Something basic decent. Thanks, Collin I have a Chinon 50/1.9 K that you can have for the postage and packing. It isn't a great lens, but it isn't bad either. Regards, Ed _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:00:22 + Ah Keith Whaley wrote: Of course it's simpler... = more crass... ...to just drink whiskey neat. Ah, but that all depends on what whiskey one is drinking. Of course there are the many fine whiskeys made by our friends in Scotland and Canada, but let us not neglect good Kentucky Whiskey. Try a shot of Labrot Graham Woodford Reserve Distiller's Select. It's a 90 Proof masterpiece distilled in Woodford County, Kentucky. They've been making it there since 1812 and seemed to have gotten it right.It comes in a flask shaped bottle with an appropriate cork. I'm a single malt drinker, but I heartily recommend this bourbon. Paul Stenquist You recommend well and wisely. When (or where) LG is unavailable, have a go at Knob Creek Bourbon, or even Maker's Mark. You won't be disappointed. Regards, Ed _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: PhotoSIG (offending images) was Re: New Message from Mike Johnston
Generally the magazines, film, and albums are presented for what they are and with warning - not under any paticular guise - and I am neither a purchaser nor a back of the magazine shop 'viewer'. Barring the occasional epithet, the PDML is a pretty clean collection of expressed views and questions of photography enthusiasts and gearheads. With very few exceptions (you apparently being one of the exceptions), they yell duck this before sending a link which may offend some members. Frankly, I found the image obnoxious, but less objectionable than the fact that you sent a link to it without warning. Why is the defense of suggesting 'hypocrisy'so commonly used by the offensive? Ed From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PhotoSIG (offending images) was Re: New Message from Mike Johnston Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:18:13 -0500 frank theriault wrote: Well, FWIW, I didn't particularly appreciate the image from PhotoSig. I now know that you were trying to make a point, but I think it could have been made in a slightly more sensitive way than, without warning, showing an image of a penis being fondled. Well, there are far more objectionable images there on PhotoSIG. I would rate this particular one as mild when compared with the others. My intention was indeed to shock. Without the surprise factor, you wouldn't be shocked at all. Maybe just disgusted. Now, if you go to PhotoSIG through the main page, you may see that apart the self description as a Photo critique and discussion forum, you don't get any hint that you might find objectionable content there. What I found to be really objectionable (especially without the necessary warnings) were some gory images (e.g. taken during a surgical operation, decapitated animals, etc). The image of a p***s is objectionable just because we were educated that it should be so. What I was trying to do was to start a discussion about why in our society we are so convinced that certain parts of our bodies are so highly disgusting and objectionable. While, at the same time, we have a strong industry producing magazines, films and albums depicting exactly those parts (especially of women), and these materials sell very well. Isn't there some hypocrisy going on here ? cheers, caveman _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Agfa Scala
For my taste, I find Scala overexposed at its nominal ISO of 200. I find that it looks better at EI 320 for most subjects. It makes good images on Ilfochrome, but the tonal scale balance requires some fiddling. I have had better luck making prints by using paper negatives. Regards, Ed From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Agfa Scala Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:30:36 -0800 (PST) Hi, gang Thinking of trying this film. Somebody with experience to share? Thanks in advance Peace = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Olympus going pro
The 650 was quickly followed by the 630, which had even better performance, Not true either. There were two bodies release simultaneously. I think it was 620 and 630 (it could have been 650 and 630). They were practical speaking identical and amateur bodies like the competition at the time. Pål According to Lea's Register of 35mm SLR Cameras, Canon's early EOS line is dated as follows: 650 - 1987; 620 - 1988; 750 - 1988; 850 - 1988; 630 - 1989.Specs indicate that the 620 was significantly more advanced than the 650; the price also noticeably higher. Ed _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not Pentax, butabout as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without rancor. WAS: bRe:PMA and Pentax DSLR
- Original Message - From: Ken Archer Subject: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR Here we go again. These subjects have no place on the PDML. Take them off list or flush them where they belong. Without wanting to be overly argumentative, it has as much place on the list as ANY off topic stuff. When the WTC was demolished, the members of this list were extremely gracious about the ranting Americans OT posts. Now your country is looking like it is about to do what a lot of people consider an unconscionable act. We had the decency to let you spout off when you were feeling hard done by. Perhaps you can show the same decency now. Regards William Robb Also without wanting to be overly argumentive.. A significant number of Americans (me included) avoided discussing the WTC destruction here because we believed this list was not the place for political/terrorist issues. Amateur political/military/global experts are a dime a dozen - I would like to think list members come at a higher price. I respect your right to your opinion as I am sure you respect my right to my opinion no matter how seriously we disagree. However, I have no respect for you or anyone else who dwells on imflammatory subjects on a photography board. Temporary regards, Ed _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Spotmatics are a Philosophy, WAS: Just a dream
Mike wrote: --Music listening as a hobby. Not only has vinyl been relegated to the margins (in my youth I was an enthusiastic record collector, and I still consider turntables to be among the most satisfying of toys), but two-channel recorded music is beginning to atomize, subsumed into a Babel of competing formats and various subspecies of home entertainment. The pure form of the art is, of course, acoustic instruments on vinyl on a two-channel stereo with a tube amp and pre-amp. Mike - if you ever come through Indianapolis, let me know. I have a stack of LP's about five feet deep. Free, and I will throw in lunch g. Pal wrote: The house is filling over with books My books I will keep - and continue adding to the collection... Regards, Ed _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: On topic?!
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! Something unusual happened to my latest submission to PhotoSIG. During two days more than 150 people saw the picture (which is a lot to my level) but only one of them said a word. Here is the link: http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=660866 I'd like to know what do you think of it. Please, do criticize. I really hope there is no rule on PDML that every single photo that is posted to PDML should be just praised and applauded to... Thanks in advance. My comment: The lone critic who posted would find a negative remark for any image he viewed. The image works. You found a mood; you captured it. I like it. Regards, Ed _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: OT: any info on this 1938 camera?
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: any info on this 1938 camera? Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:51:51 -0800 Not that I am going to bid, but interesting to know. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3003525652category=709 regards, Alan Chan From McKeown's Guide to Antique and Classic Cameras, 2001-2002. Manufactured by Jaeger LeCoultre Cie., Sentier, Switzerland for Compass Cameras Ltd., London, England. Compass Camera - c1938. The ultimate compact 35mm rangefinder camera system. A finely machined aluminum bodied camera of unusual design and incorporating many built-in features which include: f3.5/35mm lens, shutter from 4.5 sec.to 1/900, RF, right-angle finder, panoramic and stereeo heads, level, extinction meter, filters, ground-glass focusing, etc. For 24x36mm exposures on glass plates, or on film with optional rollback for special compass film. There was also an aftermarket rollback for 828 film. There are two distinct variations of the Compass. The later version has a folding focusing magnifier on the ground-glass back. Outfits with camera, plate back, case and instructions have sold in the $3000-4000 range and regularly sell at auction for at least $1500-2000. Camera only $1200-2000. A separate rollback by LeCoultre for unperforated 35mm film on special spools is estimated at $300-450. The 828 rollback, made in London, England, is estimated at $250-375. The Compass Tripod, described as a rare accessory, is estimated at $600-900. Regards, Ed PS Alan - after agreeing to send you the lens hoods, I fell victim to flu, and am just now out and about. If you still want the hoods, let me know. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: any info on this 1938 camera?
Not that I am going to bid, but interesting to know. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3003525652category=709 regards, Alan Chan That is incredibly cool looking! One of two made? Dan Scott grin No - according to McKeown, there are two variations, not just two cameras. Regards, Ed _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
I wasn't speculating. I had a 500DTL; I still have a 1000DTL. Both were bought before I saw the light. They were damned good - if unrefined - cameras. I used Mamiya/Sekor lenses and Super Takumars on both. Ed From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:06:30 + Okay, enough speculation. I'm heading to my camera closet to dig out the two Mamiya SLRs that are buried there. Let's see, the first is a 1000TL. It's a camera I used for about years, in the late seventies,shooting at least 5000 rolls with it. I probably made more money with that camera than any other I've ever owned, although I was trying harder. But I digress, back to the camera. It has a mechanism for stopping down the lens that appears to be identical to that of the Spotmatic-- i.e. a paddle device at the bottom of the box that pushes a pin on the lens. The 1000 DTL appears to be identical, except for the switch that changes the meter from averaging to spot. The lens is an Auto Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.8. It has an auto/manual switch, and it is nearly identical to a Super Takumar 55/1.8, albeit a bit larger. I can mount the lens on a Spotmatic, and -- it works. I bought the DTL in 1990 or thereabouts, thinking it would be fun to own another of these. It lasted about a week before the mirror started sticking, but it's otherwise pretty close to mint. Paul Stenquist Peter Alling wrote: his camera. It always p* me off that he Actually a friend of mine had a Mamiya 500DTL and the open aperture metering system was present on could borrow my Takumar's but I couldn't use any of his lenses. It may have been that his camera was subject to some kind of Frankenstein repair that melded a DTL and a DTX. I don't remember the lenses having an Auto/Manual switch but then I never used them. At 05:13 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: Obnoxious Sonofabitch Copyeditor
that's [...] Add improper use of contractions to your list. Example: that's. Gotta keep grist in the mill. Intentionally or not. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ Gotta ain't right neither g. Ed _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Comparison
From: Gary L. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Comparison Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:35:39 -0600 My experience with the Sigma 75-300 DL do not support your 'extremely soft' judgement. Regards, Ed How does the Pentax FA 80-320mm zoom compare to the Sigma 70-300 DL macro? I know the Sigma is extremley soft at 300, but is the Pentax any better? Thanks! Later, Gary _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
Use the program shift 'wheel', change the aperture, and check DOF each time it is changed. Ed From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do you manage to constantly use DOF preview and hyper-program mode on the Z-1p. Do you shoot at F:22? Pål - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual? good afternoon pdml-ers: gray day here in the northeast, thoughts wander to what i'd like to photograph today. i took some early morning shots of tree branches shimmering w/their melting ice. thankfully, my pz-1p has a dof preview which aided in determining how overexposed i should create or not create the silhoutte. why would any camera maker NOT included dof? i find i use it constantly. i also use the pz-1p hyper-program and hyper-manual exposure modes. i find the ability to look thru the viewfinder and change the details of the shot w/a simple thumb and index finder while never removing my eye from the viewfinder to be one of the most wonderful innovation on this most wonderful of cameras. does any other pentax af body employ hyper-program and/or hyper-manual? i went up to the boz site and under the z-50 he listed hym and hyp but when i went to see the camera on eBay, there was no mention of hyper-program or hyper-manual in the camera description. i can't imagine i'm the only one who relies upon hy-m and hy-p. any and all thoughts would be greatly appreciated be well rob _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Beer and Pentaxians
Another non-beer drinker here. Bourbon for me. Ed From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Beer and Pentaxians Sometimes after reading all the beer-related comments on this list, I find myself wondering if I'm the only one here who doesn't drink beer ... ERNR _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
FS Friday
I need to remove some litter, so here it is: 58mm lens hood: Takumar 1:2.5 135mm 1:4 200mmAsahi Opt. Co., Japan 49mm lens hood: Takumar 1:2.8 105mm 1:4 100mmAsahi Opt. Co., Japan both of above unmarked, pristine. (I have no clue as to value of the lens hoods. Make an honest offer that includes a couple of dollars for shipping.) 49mm lens hood: Super-Takumar 1:3.5 35mm Asahi Opt. Co., Japan no dents or dings, front rim paint is chipped Vivitar 135/2.8 lens for 42mm thread mount, 55mm filter size. Clean and unmarked, some slight paint chipping on lens shade front rim. $20 includes shipping. 2 49mm (generic) snap-on lens caps. 2 52mm (generic) snap-on lns caps. 1 55mm (generic) snap-on lens cap. 1 58mm (generic snap-on lens cap. Assorted slip-on lens caps. 2 49mm Vivitar Polarizing filters, in box and maybe never used. 1 58mm Vivitar Polarizing filter, in box and maybe never used. 1 72mm (generic) Haze filter. 1 55mm Hoya UV(0) Haze filter 1 55mm B+W NL3 Closeup filter 1 52mm PRO UV filter 1 49-52 step-up ring 49mm filters, 1 of each: PRO ND8; PRO FLB, Vivitar 80B, Tiffen FLD, Vivitar VMC ND-3, Kalimar UV, Pentax Skylight. 1 Cokin square Sunsoft A series filter Pentax ZX-50 Operating Manual Mamiya/Sekor slip-on flash shoe - fits Spotmatics (?) 2 42mm screw thread Vivitar 2x Automatic Teleconverters. 1 Vivitar 3x Teleconverter 1 Vivitar 2800 Autoflash with filters and instruction floder. obviously used but intact and working. 1 Vivitar 102 manual flash. A stack of series filters, mostly VI and a few larger. Please accept my apologies for not pricing the listed items. I have little idea as to the value of most of them. Your offers will probably be accepted. Include estimated postage in offers. Pay after you receive. If you want to make a package offer for multiple items, feel free. *Make offers/requests off-list, please. Thanks for wading through the list. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Are the rules simply instinctive?
In my book, this is worth keeping. Ed --- Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many years ago, someone told me that brown belts make better karate instructors than black belts because the brown belts still remember and can still describe what they do. For the black belts, on the other hand, the techniques have become instinctive, and the beginners' details now seem hard to explain, since they've been absorbed into muscle memory. The black belts see the bigger picture, the goal of winning the bout, and don't need to think consciously about their stance, etc. In the same way, experienced, skilled, photographers know what looks right, and don't need to think about beginners' guidelines anymore. Does anyone else see it this way? Pat, Bob B. makes much the same point in his post about shooting. It's a valid point. I just think that when you're talking about rules of composition, you're talking about standardized ways of arranging subject-matter when you shoot a picture. These rules, being generalized, have to be broad. Thus they are things like the eye must have a way into the picture, so don't cut off the foreground, or place objects one-third from one border and two-thirds from the other, and focus on the front eye and don't cut peoples' heads off and blur out confusing backgrounds and Lordy, I don't know what-all. The fact is, nobody can possibly name a single rule of thumb a) such that it will usefully improve pictures in all situations where it can be applied and b) such that pictures which do not conform to the rule will not be strong or successful or good or whatever positive word you want to use. Furthermore, I personally contend that reflexively applying any such rules of thumb is just as likely to blind the photographer to recognizing other possibilities. The last time in even semi-serious photography that rules of composition were taken seriously were in the serious amateur journals of the 1930s and 1940s. Compositional guidelines were much beloved of writers for these journals and posing guides were actually sold for money. An example I have in front of me right now, _The American Annual of Photography 1935_, published by American Photographic Publishing Company of Boston, features nicely-made photographs and a few that retain some small interest, in some cases incidentally. Most are pictorialist, stiff, posed, pretty, hackneyed, careful, trite, or superficial. Apart from Leonard Misonne, I don't immediately notice any names of photographers I know or that we still look at today--although sometimes one will indeed come across a famous name in one of these old journals. For the most part, this vein was mined thoroughly by the 1950s and most photographers began to see that far more photographic possibilities existed where the standardized approaches were done away with entirely and a sense of freedom and discovery were substituted. This freedom is simply taken for granted today; no photograph is necessarily dismissed because it isn't pretty or posed, standardized in some way, or explicable in terms of a set of guidelines. I'm not saying it's _wrong_ for anybody to make nice pretty pictures. My position is that photography belongs to no one, no one has the right to tell others what to do or not do, and, as long as it's not immoral or destructive or illegal, anybody can photograph anything they want to however they please. If anybody wants to make a list of rules and figure out eight things they'll allow themselves to photograph, well, it's not for me to tell 'em not to. They can knock themselves out. But I most definitely do _not_ think that good photographers are merely unconsciously or instinctively following all of these rules. Quite the contrary: I think that the rules themselves are deleterious to good work, and that each situation ought to be approached in any way you can devise or invent to try to make it new or unique or interesting or just pleasing to yourself. The challenge is not to make something pretty according to a set of rules; the challenge is to do something that is somehow distinctive to your own tastes or concerns and does _not_ look like eighty thousand pictures of the same thing already made by others. Just my $.02; like I say, I don't own photography and if somebody wants to do the exact opposite of what I suggest, they've got a perfect right. --Mike = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Favorite MF, K Mount, Macro Lens?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Steve Pearson wrote: I would like to know, from all of you whom I know have taken a lot more pictures than I have, what is your favorite manual focus, K mount, macro lens for flower close ups? Thanks again! Kiron 105/2.8 Regards, Ed Matthew _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Turkey
I know, I know. I'll stop. --Mike Thank you. Ed _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: If you left Pentax, what Scurvy Dawg system would you invite into your life?
grins All calm here. You are quite correct - my Pentax cameras would still work as well as before the possible abandonment, and I would still use them. However, I would miss the PDML if it went away! Best regards, Ed Matthew From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If you left Pentax, what Scurvy Dawg system would you invite into your life? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:16:14 -0800 Ed Matthew wrote: I'd go Olympus, or mebbe Nikon. This thread should flare on for a while. -Lon Since Olympus has abandoned the 35mm SLR, I wouldn't go there. Canon bell-ringers turn me off. Nikon, maybe. Regards, Ed What if Pentax did an abandonment thing, in the same way Olympus did, would you throw away all your old screwmounts, all the early and late K-mounts, and say the hell with them all? Maybe you would , but *I* wouldn't. There is so much Pentax 35mm gear out there, it will take me the rest of my lifetime and then some, to explore and buy/trade, and use all of it I can! They haven't given up on ME, per se. If anything, and that's not totally cast in concrete yet, they are deciding to not make 35mm film cameras for a while. Big deal. Everybody gets so UPSET! Calm down folks. keith whaley _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Bare Arms-is ridiculously OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUN
Frank- The word is 'bear' arms. How can you properly hold a Pentax with bear arms? Of course, it wouldn't make any difference if you were using a Leica. Regards, Ed From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bare Arms-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUN Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:25:36 -0500 Gary, Please, no one wants you to do anything with your arms. If you prefer them bare, it's your prerogative, however here in Canada right now, you'd get pretty cold, being currently -2 degrees celsius (hmmm... metric, another liberal plot? g). But, do keep them. Better to hold a camera that way - you know, hands being at the end of arms and all, it makes it much better for holding things. But, if what you meant is to keep and BEAR arms, well, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. (I know, I'm perpetuating an evil thread, but I couldn't just leave that one alone vbg) cheers, frank Gary L. Murphy wrote: snipI'm glad you are now in Canada as that's just one more liberal we will not have to deal with trying to take away our constitutional right to keep and bare arms. snip -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Joking about Security
It's something we all have to think about when we go out before dawn with a tripod and a trenchcoat. Paul Stenquist Be sure to turn up your collar and wear dark glasses and a black hat grin. Sorry, couldn't resist. Ed Matthew _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Poor list behaviour WAS Re: Terminology lesson. WAS Re: 28-105 vs 24-90 vs35-105
I had a feeling we were headed here Hold on to your lenses this is going to get ugly.. Vic Not necessarily. All you need to do is drop the subject. Regards, Ed _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Of Prime Importance
Multi-pseudo-prime? Regards, Ed From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Of Prime Importance Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:13:51 -0500 Let's at least have some fun with this. If a single-focal-length lens is prime, then what is a variable-focal-length lens (zoom)? Less then prime? Divisible? Secondary? Inadequate? :) A poor/cheap/tasteless cut? _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
OT: Bokeh Jokeh
Courtesy of Alan Browne on rec.photo.equipment35mm Smokin Filters Inc. announced today that they have released three new filters for the advanced amateur and professional market. The filters will be available immediately by mail order. The filters are: Bokeh Plus Bokeh Extra Creamy Bokeh 4-Nikon The filters come in a variety of sizes. They make good-bokeh lenses better and bad-boheh lenses marginally acceptable. The filters are reasonably priced; for example in 55mm the prices are: Plus $22.99, Extra Creamy $33.49, and 4-Nikon $119.99. We're very excited by this lineup, said marketing VP T.P. Knowgood, it will allow even to most mediochre photographer using Canon digital bodies and lenses a chance to make bokeh. The high price on the 4-Nikon isn't because the filter is so hard to make, but rather because we know this user group will pay through the nose to add this filter to their bags. We will also be coming out with a $500 version for Leica users, but we don't expect it to be used to actually make photos. Early testers of filters, including renowned bokeh shooter Takashita Reicadict have heaped praise on the Smokin filter lineup. We are bery preased with the smooth background highrights he said, but couldn't comment further as he was running to catch a flight to Berlin for a meeting of photojournalists in the red light district. Smokin Filters is a highly lucrative privately owned company that reaps profits from gullibe camera owners. Apologies to all, Ed _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Can We Help Tom?
Count me in. E-mail direct if you like - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Matthew From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can We Help Tom? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:53:23 -0500 Just going through Greywolf's journal, he thanked Adelheid for her very kind assistance of some badly needed money. It looks like Tom may be having a really tough time right now, both in terms of finance and health. I'm wondering if there's anything we could do to help him out financially. I know we're in the process of getting together a little something for Doug the List Guy (don't read this, Doug!), and I don't want to have this list turn into the on-line equivalent of the office collections that seem to pop up two or three times a week, but I'm worried that Tom may be in real need here. I'm up here in Canada, and Tom's down in the US, but hell, it wouldn't be hard to send a money order or cheque down to where he is. I could try to contact him through his page (I don't know how often he's on-line), to get an address or PO box to which it could go. Obviously, I wouldn't start collecting until I contact him, so we know that he'll be able to receive the funds. I'm thinking that if enough folks gave even $10 or $15, we could make things a bit easier for him, at least for a while. Anyone else in? Contact me on or off list, as you wish. thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Let's Help Greywolf - Update.
I'm in discussions with another list member about the possibility of setting up a PayPal thing, so donations can happen that way (I can't do PayPal - no credit cards - don't ask! vbg). I'm going to contact Tom tonight, to let him know what we're up to, and to confirm a mailing address that I got from another list member. I don't use PayPal, so know nearly nothing about it. Count me in for $25 (check or US$ as you prefer - more if want to make a nice round figure). Jus tell me where to send it. Knowing my own tendency to procrastinate, I will suggest that we should move quickly. Regards, Ed Matthew _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: The all new PDML FAQ..
grin And for that matter, why omit us who enjoy accumulating 'Pentaxotica'? Best regards, Ed Matthew From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The all new PDML FAQ.. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:07:14 -0500 2.9 What's a Pentaxian? Why, its someone who uses a Pentax, of course. Additional regional suggestions included: Argentina, Pentaxino; Candian, Pentax-eh; Cyprus, Pentaxiot; French, Pentaxois; Greece, Pentaxa; Israel, Pentaxeli; Italy, Pentaxiano; Pennsylvania Dutch, Pentaxkopf; Spain, Pentaxol; Texas, Pentaxen, and so many others. Whatever happened to Pentaxer? For a long time, the debate over our name went back and forth between Pentaxer and Pentaxian, but the FAQ prototype above ignores Pentaxer, leaving behind its rival Pentaxian and a bunch of silly substitutes. Fred _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: The all new PDML FAQ..
And perhaps those of us (Boz as a sterling example) who know the product well have an understanding of Pentaxonomy, Gotta' quit doing this, Best, Ed Matthew From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The all new PDML FAQ.. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:36:50 -0600 - Original Message - From: Michel Carrère-Gée Subject: Re: The all new PDML FAQ.. 2.9 What's a Pentaxian? Why, its someone who uses a Pentax, of course. Additional regional suggestions included: Argentina, Pentaxino; Candian, Pentax-eh; Cyprus, Pentaxiot; French, Pentaxois . We have choose PENTAXISTE ! I would think so. Pentaxois would be the language of Pentax, no? William Robb _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n
Konica is 750 nm. The Maco I have used (once) was 820 nm. I don't remember the Ilford SFX nm, but it is less than Konica, making it a near-infrared. My results with Konica 750 and Maco 820 were satisfactory - less grainy than Kodak HIE, but also less ethereal in the appearance achieved in prints. Since I find (subjectively, of course) that the grain enhances the ethereal effect, I prefer the Kodak version. The SFX just didn't ring my bell. The Infrared Photography Handbook by Laurie White has been very useful. Less useful but still a good reference is The Art of Infrared Photography by Joseph Paduano. If you buy Paduano's book, get the 4th edition - I found the earliest edition to be almost useless. Border's (and I assume others) often stocks both. Regards, Ed Matthew From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:07:23 -0500 Martin. I beleive Konica,Ilford?? and Maco Phot have low nm(720) IR type of film with anti-halation layers,but do not seem to have the dramatic effect as the HIE without.I have tried a roll of Maco Cube 400 with #25 red and other than darkening the blue sky, was not much different than reg bw. Why not look for a used M42 mount,a 55 and or 35mm lens. I use this and you dont have to worry about the plate.(I have a S3 for sale:):)) Dave Begin Original Message From: Martin Mielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody on this list have any knowledge on these matters that they can share with me? Should I be looking at some other kind of Infra-red film, one that includes an anti-halation layer? Martin End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: Re: infra-red with K1000 sliding OT
Grin 30 nm isn't much among friends. A few years ago I read a rumor about a 1000nm infrared film from Russia - GOMZ, perhaps. I never could find the stuff here, in the UK or in Europe. My son had an equal lack of success on Asian travels. Does anyone have information? Regards, Ed Matthew From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:13:43 -0500 D'oh.Sorry Ed,your correct on the 750nm,not 720.Aaron Reynolds recently tried the Maco 820 and said it had pleasing results.My only experience is with the Cube 400,which did not 'ring my bell' either.Next time i'm at his store,and when i get my Y-M back from the shop,i hope to try a roll of the 820,in 120 format. I think the grain found in the Kodak film adds to the ghostly,dramatics of the picture. Dave Begin Original Message From: Ed Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:55:37 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n Konica is 750 nm. The Maco I have used (once) was 820 nm. I don't remember the Ilford SFX nm, but it is less than Konica, making it a near- infrared. My results with Konica 750 and Maco 820 were satisfactory - less grainy than Kodak HIE, but also less ethereal in the appearance achieved in prints. Since I find (subjectively, of course) that the grain enhances the ethereal effect, I prefer the Kodak version. The SFX just didn't ring my bell. The Infrared Photography Handbook by Laurie White has been very useful. Less useful but still a good reference is The Art of Infrared Photography by Joseph Paduano. If you buy Paduano's book, get the 4th edition - I found the earliest edition to be almost useless. Border's (and I assume others) often stocks both. Regards, Ed Matthew Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n (? For Ed M.)
I have used Kodak, Konica, and Maco in the ZX5n. All three have been trouble free - except for any failures introduced by me. Don't forget to be paranoid and black tape the window - I'm pretty sure it doesn't help, but it makes me feel better grins. The results most pleasing to me have been achieved with Kodak. However, a friend shoots Konica 750 in medium format and gets excellent results. Regards, Ed Matthew From: Delano Mireles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n (? For Ed M.) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:12:30 -0600 Ed, I'm glad to hear you've been successful running infrared through the zx5n. I've been wanting to try but been hesitant on dropping $10/roll and then have them fog up. Can you let me know know which IR film you used? Thanks, Delano on 11/4/02 6:16 AM, Ed Matthew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Timothy Sherburne Subject: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n I can't personally vouch for the MZ-5n, but my ZX-M works fine with HIE. No fogging caused by a frame counter or the plastic back, and I put a piece of black electrical tape over the DX window to ease my paranoia. I can't imagine that the 5n would be any different. Good news!!! It must be those darned Canons I was thonking about. Though I still think the K1000 is the better choice. William Robb I have used the ZX5n with infrared with no fogging problems. I do black tape the DX window - whether or not it is necessary, I don't kmow. BTW, my 'normal' choice for infrared is the K2. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n
Yes, when using Kodak. When I use Konica it is 1/60. Regards, Ed Matthew From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: infra-red with K1000, MZ-5n Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:15:35 -0500 No truer words have ever been spoken.Trust the force, repeat after us: f 11 at 1/125 etc etcG Dave Begin Original Message From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a sunny day, just throw a #25 filter on your camera, set your aperature to f11, your shutter to 1/125, and bracket a full stop both ways. Seriously, don't worry about anything else. The meter will be essentially useless, and you'll get a good shot at one of those 3 combiations (f8, f11, f16). -- http://www.infotainment.org #63728; #63728; #63728; - #63728; #63728; more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com #63728; #63728;- #63728; #63728; photography and portfolio. End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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Re: What we call ourselves.
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What we call ourselves. Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:09:49 -0800 What is a person who likes and used a Contax called? Same name construction... keith whaley Jostein wrote: From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like Pentaxistes better than Pentaxians. I saw this in another thread. Hm. Rhymes better with masochists...:-) Jostein Or anarchists... regards, Ed _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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I have a like new Honeywell-Pentax Copipod for grabs. Case, four original legs plus two sets of shorter legs, top holder and adapter. First e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets it. You send postage after you receive it. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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