Re: 645D fiddling
I'm glad I read this before I posted my comment... On 1/13/2011 1:03 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/1/13 Peter Jordanpjp...@btinternet.com: I'm half way to feeling smug as I have a decent set of 645 lenses, from 35mm to 200mm, most in AF versions. However the big flaw in my plan is the lack of $10,000 or any realistic chance of acquiring that short of robbing a bank. Still, I do get a lot of pleasure from taking 6x4.5 trannies every so often. Ever tried 645 cross-dressers? -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You obviously don't drive the right back roads, but then speed isn't the issue at that point. On 1/14/2011 5:34 PM, Miserere wrote: On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdertdistudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Francis On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:34:56PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote: From: Ken Waller Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. Then you're probably not driving the right car ! I've got an old MGB on my to do list sitting down in the basement at home right now. That's about as close to the right car as I'm ever likely to get. MGs aren't to drive - MGs are to work on. I bought a BMW to drive. I was never too much of a fan of the B, anyway. A friend had a C; that definitely pushed my buttons a bit more. And, of course, there is always an A, or a TD, if we're being seriously impractical. Yeah, I know all that. I liked the BMW back when it *was* a driver's car. At one time you had to really KNOW something about the automobile to appreciate the BMW. But then they went and turned it into the symbol for all the excesses of yuppie scumdom. I think they've finally gotten past the time when you weren't even allowed to think about driving a BMW unless you were a flaming asshole, but the stigma lingers still. And, for my own impractical purposes the 'B' has one great advantage ... it's already sitting down there in the basement and it ain't going nowhere. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3380 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Brian Walters On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:18 +1100, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 January 2011 01:30, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Oy, Studdert! What have you got to say to that? LOL, I think Ken's pretty much the only one qualified to retort to this moment, however from my experience the brand of car doesn't determine how much of a prick either the driver or passengers are, much like owning a Mac doesn't necessarily make one a wanker ;-) My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. But it is big. I speak from experience If that's all you care about, you should get yourself a Kombi. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3380 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D fiddling
On 15/1/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: At one time you had to really KNOW something about the automobile to appreciate the BMW. But then they went and turned it into the symbol for all the excesses of yuppie scumdom. I think they've finally gotten past the time when you weren't even allowed to think about driving a BMW unless you were a flaming asshole, but the stigma lingers still. Cory you taking notes pal. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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FWIW I know that other than the emblem on the front, the VW Touregs in the Dakar don't share much else with the production version, but the top 3 in the 'car' class are Touregs. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling You obviously don't drive the right back roads, but then speed isn't the issue at that point. On 1/14/2011 5:34 PM, Miserere wrote: On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdertdistudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, eckinator wrote: 2011/1/13 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: Someone asked the owner of a Dodge Viper it helped him get laid. He responded that it would if he were interested in teenaged boys. Porsche. It's a little too small to get laid IN, but you get laid the minute you get out! (from the movie Crazy People) The difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? The porcupine has the pricks on the outside. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/14 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? The porcupine has the pricks on the outside. to my mind the 993 was the last real Porsche ever built anyway - I'll never understand how a combustion engine even works with water sloshing around its innards anyway... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Someone asked the owner of a Dodge Viper it helped him get laid. He responded that it would if he were interested in teenaged boys. Porsche. It's a little too small to get laid IN, but you get laid the minute you get out! (from the movie Crazy People) The difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? The porcupine has the pricks on the outside. Oy, Studdert! What have you got to say to that? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: But today is yours, isn't it? Happy day, mate! Hope you have a really nice one. ;-) Thanks. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14 January 2011 12:48, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 14/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: But today is yours, isn't it? Happy day, mate! Hope you have a really nice one. ;-) Thanks. Well done, mate! Another year, another win. You deserve a new camera; go buy yourself an X100. Tell the wife I said it was OK. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/1/11, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Tell the wife I said it was OK. Jumping Jehosaphat. You must meet my wife sometime (with apologies to bill...) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling 2011/1/14 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? The porcupine has the pricks on the outside. to my mind the 993 was the last real Porsche ever built anyway - I'll never understand how a combustion engine even works with water sloshing around its innards anyway... Then it'll probably do no good trying to explain it to you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15 January 2011 01:30, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Oy, Studdert! What have you got to say to that? LOL, I think Ken's pretty much the only one qualified to retort to this moment, however from my experience the brand of car doesn't determine how much of a prick either the driver or passengers are, much like owning a Mac doesn't necessarily make one a wanker ;-) My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. Then you're probably not driving the right car ! —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On 15 January 2011 01:30, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Oy, Studdert! What have you got to say to that? LOL, I think Ken's pretty much the only one qualified to retort to this moment, however from my experience the brand of car doesn't determine how much of a prick either the driver or passengers are, much like owning a Mac doesn't necessarily make one a wanker ;-) I take it from where it comes - the left coast, the land of fruit nuts ! Such immature comments ! Judging a book by its cover. (Proud owner of an 05 Porsche Boxster 'S') My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Ken Waller Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. Then you're probably not driving the right car ! I've got an old MGB on my to do list sitting down in the basement at home right now. That's about as close to the right car as I'm ever likely to get. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:34:56PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote: From: Ken Waller Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On 14 January 2011 17:18, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: [...] My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. I've come to the realisation that cars are not fun to drive outside of a racecourse, so I lust for no car. Then you're probably not driving the right car ! I've got an old MGB on my to do list sitting down in the basement at home right now. That's about as close to the right car as I'm ever likely to get. MGs aren't to drive - MGs are to work on. I bought a BMW to drive. I was never too much of a fan of the B, anyway. A friend had a C; that definitely pushed my buttons a bit more. And, of course, there is always an A, or a TD, if we're being seriously impractical. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:18 +1100, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 January 2011 01:30, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Oy, Studdert! What have you got to say to that? LOL, I think Ken's pretty much the only one qualified to retort to this moment, however from my experience the brand of car doesn't determine how much of a prick either the driver or passengers are, much like owning a Mac doesn't necessarily make one a wanker ;-) My days of fast cars are long gone and closest I get to owning a Porsche these days is the Touareg, which isn't very close, or fast. But it is big. I speak from experience Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Jostein 2011/1/13 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 1/13/2011 7:57 AM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Tim, with my briefest encounter with 645 film camera and assortment of lenses back in 2004 I should say that 75/2.8, 45/2.8 and 120 mm macro (I think these were the ones I used) are all quite interesting lenses. Especially if you look at the resulting pictures. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/13/2011 11:44 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Jostein Yes, I remember that you were not too fond about one of your lenses. But if I am not mistaken you had another one or two wide lenses, whereas numbers 35 and 55 spring to my mind. 2011/1/13 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: On 1/13/2011 7:57 AM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Tim, with my briefest encounter with 645 film camera and assortment of lenses back in 2004 I should say that 75/2.8, 45/2.8 and 120 mm macro (I think these were the ones I used) are all quite interesting lenses. Especially if you look at the resulting pictures. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There is a certain beauty to ultra-high resolution images. But you're basically right. And you don't need that kind of resolution for magazine spreads either. Most pubs don't want any tiffs larger than about 35 megabytes, even for spreads. There's no real advantage to higher resolution in offset printing. In making large ink-jet prints, I've found that even a 6 megapixel camera like the *istD can turn out beautiful 13 x 19s. The K-5s 16.4 megapixel files are wonderfully detailed at 20 x 30. Billboard photography is where cameras of over 20 megapixels really shine, but I don't shoot billboards. Nevertheless, I want a 645D:-). Paul On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/13/2011 6:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote: If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. Suppose you could. Then you would have to /pretend/ you'd need one as it seems to me that your kind of shooting does not /necessarily require/ one. I know for certain that /mine/ does not. You are quite right there. Though having one would allow me to do some Savagesque style photos of the desert night sky. I'd do a lot more night landscape photography but my gear is not quite up to the task. Having seen what a 645D can do at ISO 800-1600, it would be very fun to play with one when photographing musicians. It is interesting to see how it compares with the Nikon D3, though I suspect that you could throw some math at the raw file, process the 41 Mpix down to the D3s 12 Mpix, and gain some performance there. I describe the type of photography that I do as photography that uses a camera. But, I have to admit that while a large percentage of the photos I've taken in the past few years would have benefited from the performance of a K-5, only a small percentage would have benefited any more with a 645D, and a large number of them would do better with a K-5 than with a 645D. But, while a Dodge van might do a carpenter a lot more good than a Porsche 911, that doesn't stop the carpenter from wanting the 911, any more than reality keeps me from wanting a 645D. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Bong posted some shots taken with one at relatively high ISO, that looked better than many cameras at ISO 400. I believe that it'll also handily outperform the K-5 on things like color bit depth, dynamic range etc. It also brightens your teeth, freshens your breath and makes you irresistible to members of the appropriate sex. I believe the color bit depth of the K5 and 645D are identical. The K5 is reportedly better in regard to noise at high ISO, but I'd want to see for myself. Not sure about dynamic range. Paul (who wants a 645D, whether he needs one or not:-) -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 I've been thinking sort of that way too. Let someone else take the depreciation. But, I think the bigger problem is going to be finding lenses. I've been looking around, and it seems like anyone who has the 645 (particularly the AF models) is hanging on to their lenses anticipating the day they can afford to buy a 645D. And that idea seems to be supported by the John Carlson interview referenced in another thread. I just took a quick look at KEH, and they don't even list a category for Pentax 645 lenses. They've got 645, 645N and 645NII bodies, but not a single lens. BH lists one lens - Pentax-D FA 645 55mm F2.8 What does that tell you? - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Do you think they will work on a K-5 ?? ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:01 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 I've been thinking sort of that way too. Let someone else take the depreciation. But, I think the bigger problem is going to be finding lenses. I've been looking around, and it seems like anyone who has the 645 (particularly the AF models) is hanging on to their lenses anticipating the day they can afford to buy a 645D. And that idea seems to be supported by the John Carlson interview referenced in another thread. I just took a quick look at KEH, and they don't even list a category for Pentax 645 lenses. They've got 645, 645N and 645NII bodies, but not a single lens. BH lists one lens - Pentax-D FA 645 55mm F2.8 What does that tell you? - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. $.99 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I always heard you were a penny pincher. ;-) On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 13/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. $.99 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm half way to feeling smug as I have a decent set of 645 lenses, from 35mm to 200mm, most in AF versions. However the big flaw in my plan is the lack of $10,000 or any realistic chance of acquiring that short of robbing a bank. Still, I do get a lot of pleasure from taking 6x4.5 trannies every so often. Peter On 13 Jan 2011, at 13:01, John Sessoms wrote: From: Steven Desjardins Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 I've been thinking sort of that way too. Let someone else take the depreciation. But, I think the bigger problem is going to be finding lenses. I've been looking around, and it seems like anyone who has the 645 (particularly the AF models) is hanging on to their lenses anticipating the day they can afford to buy a 645D. And that idea seems to be supported by the John Carlson interview referenced in another thread. I just took a quick look at KEH, and they don't even list a category for Pentax 645 lenses. They've got 645, 645N and 645NII bodies, but not a single lens. BH lists one lens - Pentax-D FA 645 55mm F2.8 What does that tell you? - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tim Bray OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim My take on it is that if you had reason to use Medium Format rather than 35mm when you were shooting film, those reasons may still be valid when it comes to digital. The Pentax 645D is a low cost/high value solution if you *need* Medium Format digital ... you get a whole lot more bang for the buck with the 645D than you'll get with competitors' Medium Format digital offerings. You may need some things the Pentax 645D doesn't offer. To get them you have to spend *MUCH* more money. Otherwise, if you don't need it, but you still want it ... beautiful and seductive will just have to suffice. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Do you think they will work on a K-5 ?? ;) You could probably make one work if you're handy with a Dremel tool. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Yes, I remember that you were not too fond about one of your lenses. But if I am not mistaken you had another one or two wide lenses, whereas numbers 35 and 55 spring to my mind. I had the FA35, A45, FA75, A120macro and A*300/4. Sold the 45 after you were here in 2006. Acquired a demo-used FA 150/2.8, after trying it for snow crystal photography in combination with FA75 reversed on K-7 last winter. Funny this came up now. Just yesterday I made 30x30 cm prints of those snow crystal shots. They will be on display this week-end at the Norwegian PhotoExpo (http://fotomessen.com/ ). A few young photographers approached me while hanging the prints and asked if they were made of glass! :-) -But that's how crisp those images look. Would be very interesting to try the same with 645D. The photosites are larger in 645D than in K-7, so there should be less detail in each shot for similar crops. IE, at 2X magnification (150mm/75mm = 2X). Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Do you think they will work on a K-5 ?? ;) I have obtained first hand experience to that effect, yes. (gotcha :-) ) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Peter Jordan pjp...@btinternet.com: I'm half way to feeling smug as I have a decent set of 645 lenses, from 35mm to 200mm, most in AF versions. However the big flaw in my plan is the lack of $10,000 or any realistic chance of acquiring that short of robbing a bank. Still, I do get a lot of pleasure from taking 6x4.5 trannies every so often. Ever tried 645 cross-dressers? -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nah, $.95 will be way more attractive. On 1/13/2011 6:12 PM, Cotty wrote: On 13/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. $.99 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Cotty On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Do you think they will work on a K-5 ?? ;) You could probably make one work if you're handy with a Dremel tool. hmm. Cotty's sick sense of humor is dawning on me now. No way my precious 645 lenses will ever end as Canon fodder! Jostien -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/13/2011 7:59 PM, AlunFoto wrote: I had the FA35, A45, FA75, A120macro and A*300/4. Sold the 45 after you were here in 2006. Acquired a demo-used FA 150/2.8, after trying it for snow crystal photography in combination with FA75 reversed on K-7 last winter. Yes, I remember you were trying for reverse lenses macro photography on the tiny critters in the water of the lake by your cabin... Tim can probably confirm that too /grin/. Funny this came up now. Just yesterday I made 30x30 cm prints of those snow crystal shots. They will be on display this week-end at the Norwegian PhotoExpo (http://fotomessen.com/ ). A few young photographers approached me while hanging the prints and asked if they were made of glass! :-) -But that's how crisp those images look. Pity I cannot be there too. Would be very interesting to try the same with 645D. The photosites are larger in 645D than in K-7, so there should be less detail in each shot for similar crops. IE, at 2X magnification (150mm/75mm = 2X). I should be looking forward to your report. Meanwhile I am keeping myself busy taking pictures of my girls and looking and trying to process plentiful files from Sony A-850 that I happen to have obtained /grin/. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, one man's dud lens is another's interesting lens ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 645D fiddling Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Jostein 2011/1/13 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 1/13/2011 7:57 AM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Tim, with my briefest encounter with 645 film camera and assortment of lenses back in 2004 I should say that 75/2.8, 45/2.8 and 120 mm macro (I think these were the ones I used) are all quite interesting lenses. Especially if you look at the resulting pictures. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Yes, I remember you were trying for reverse lenses macro photography on the tiny critters in the water of the lake by your cabin... Tim can probably confirm that too /grin/. LOL. Yeah, I think it's Mike Wilson who has a pic of me by the cabin, using gaffatape to combine the FA75 with the A*300 for experiments with 4X. Don't think I got anything useful that day. I realised later that the problem was just as much mirror slap as optical limitations. Those tiny critters you refer to were zooplankton that I sedated in a drop of water, but the mirror movement was enough to send vibrations reverberating through the liquid for a long time. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: So, one man's dud lens is another's interesting lens ! I've read other reports of the 45 being a dud too, but then again others have praised it. I've seen pics taken with the FA version, which is optically identical, that looks way better than what mine produced. Could be sample variation, so if one has a good sample, cherish it. I'm thinking that if I ever pull the trigger on the 645D, I'd buy the DFA 55 to fill the gap between 35 and 75, rather than chancing on another 45. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How about $9995.95? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=pentax+645dN=0InitialSearch=yes On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Nah, $.95 will be way more attractive. On 1/13/2011 6:12 PM, Cotty wrote: On 13/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. $.99 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. How about $9995.95? On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Nah, $.95 will be way more attractive. On 1/13/2011 6:12 PM, Cotty wrote: On 13/1/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this whole 645D thing interesting. Clearly there is enough of a market to continue to make it. What's the next price point below $10K that will make a real difference in sales. $.99 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Funny, the A645 45/2.8 is my favorite lens on the 645. Got most of my best shots with that lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: AlunFoto wrote: Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Funny, the A645 45/2.8 is my favorite lens on the 645. Got most of my best shots with that lens. Well there you go! :-) If you still have it, you're one of the lucky ones. I would have to try before buy if I ever looked for it again! Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13 January 2011 01:02, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Bong posted some shots taken with one at relatively high ISO, that looked better than many cameras at ISO 400. I believe that it'll also handily outperform the K-5 on things like color bit depth, dynamic range etc. It also brightens your teeth, freshens your breath and makes you irresistible to members of the appropriate sex. Not quite according to DxO Mark: http://tinyurl.com/49ac7h5 The K-5 has 1.5 extra stops of dynamic range. The 645D does have a 1 stop advantage in S/N at each ISO, but given their respective surface areas this advantage should be 2 stops, which goes to show what a great sensor Sony made, or what a crappy sensor Kodak made (only as far as high ISOs are concerned, I'm not saying anything else). My response to Tim would be: Aside from that, no reason except bragging rights or being Mark. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And you still won't spring for the 645D :-) On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Boris, The A645 45/2.8 is a dud. It's the only 645 lens I haven't bothered keeping. The other two are stellar on film, and I expect they are on the D as well. Funny, the A645 45/2.8 is my favorite lens on the 645. Got most of my best shots with that lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now, if DxO _really_ found the 645D to attract members of the opposite sex, I bet they'd be reluctant to state it. So you won't know until you've owned one. :-) Jostein 2011/1/13 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: On 13 January 2011 01:02, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Bong posted some shots taken with one at relatively high ISO, that looked better than many cameras at ISO 400. I believe that it'll also handily outperform the K-5 on things like color bit depth, dynamic range etc. It also brightens your teeth, freshens your breath and makes you irresistible to members of the appropriate sex. Not quite according to DxO Mark: http://tinyurl.com/49ac7h5 The K-5 has 1.5 extra stops of dynamic range. The 645D does have a 1 stop advantage in S/N at each ISO, but given their respective surface areas this advantage should be 2 stops, which goes to show what a great sensor Sony made, or what a crappy sensor Kodak made (only as far as high ISOs are concerned, I'm not saying anything else). My response to Tim would be: Aside from that, no reason except bragging rights or being Mark. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: (gotcha :-) ) Bloody vikings!!! btw I have finished reading a superb book that I think you would enjoy - when's you're birthday again? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 January 2011 09:11, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: RED Announces a whole lot of stuff. They're worse than Sigma for shipping announced cameras (The EPIC hasn't shipped yet, there's a single one in the wild. It was announced before the Canon 5DmII) -Adam In their defence, at least they're open about what they're working on (and they clearly state that deadlines *will* move backwards). If Pentax were as open, we'd know whether there would be a FF camera in the near future, or a DA* 11-16mm f/2.8, or a 1.4x TC, or a DA Ltd 28mm f/2, or a DA Ltd 135mm f/2.8, or... I prefer RED's approach. —M. Pentax tried RED's approach with the 645D and MZ-D (Promise lots, ship late to never). I prefer Pentax's current approach (promise nothing until its ready). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:01 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Now, if DxO _really_ found the 645D to attract members of the opposite sex, I bet they'd be reluctant to state it. So you won't know until you've owned one. :-) Someone asked the owner of a Dodge Viper it helped him get laid. He responded that it would if he were interested in teenaged boys. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: Someone asked the owner of a Dodge Viper it helped him get laid. He responded that it would if he were interested in teenaged boys. Porsche. It's a little too small to get laid IN, but you get laid the minute you get out! (from the movie Crazy People) Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: AlunFoto Now, if DxO _really_ found the 645D to attract members of the opposite sex, I bet they'd be reluctant to state it. So you won't know until you've owned one. :-) Jostein Yeah. But if they all show up suddenly with a 645D in one hand and a supermodel clinging to the other, that might be a clue. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3376 - Release Date: 01/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If their biggest complaint was the software, the Reviewer was an idiot, CaptureOne (the software package for the 645DF) is only the #2 RAW conversion package on the market and is probably #1 for the sort of customer that would be buying a MFDB solution. The software is bulletproof and incredibly powerful but lacks the organizational features of Lightroom (C1 is designed to be used in parallel with a DAM solution). I used it for several years before moving to LR for the DAM capabilities (driven more by how crappy Expression Media is than any problem with C1, EM sucks, C1 doesn't but LR replaces both. I still use C1 for some work though as its base conversions can be significantly cleaner at high ISO's than LR's). If it simply wasn't liking the software UI on the digital back, there's a reason why PhaseOne offers 3 completely different UI paradigms (PhaseOne backs, Leaf backs and Mamiya DM backs all have completely different UI paradigms and work on the DF). The Leaf backs are closest to what a DSLR shooter would expect. The primary market for 645's is high-end location work, a pure studio shooter will likely have an RZ or RB system instead, with a full selection of leaf shutter lenses (rather than 3) and bellows focusing. The entire point of the 645DF over other 645's is daylight sync (1/1600 flash sync when using the 3 LS lenses with a P65+ or P45+ back, 1/800 with other backs and LS lenses). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
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He said his biggest problem was getting the software installed and activated. He said he needed tech support and suspects that the reader will as well. I cant find a way to clip out the exact quote from my digital copy of SB. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If their biggest complaint was the software, the Reviewer was an idiot, CaptureOne (the software package for the 645DF) is only the #2 getted RAW conversion package on the market and is probably #1 for the sort of customer that would be buying a MFDB solution. The software is bulletproof and incredibly powerful but lacks the organizational features of Lightroom (C1 is designed to be used in parallel with a DAM solution). I used it for several years before moving to LR for the DAM capabilities (driven more by how crappy Expression Media is than any problem with C1, EM sucks, C1 doesn't but LR replaces both. I still use C1 for some work though as its base conversions can be significantly cleaner at high ISO's than LR's). If it simply wasn't liking the software UI on the digital back, there's a reason why PhaseOne offers 3 completely different UI paradigms (PhaseOne backs, Leaf backs and Mamiya DM backs all have completely different UI paradigms and work on the DF). The Leaf backs are closest to what a DSLR shooter would expect. The primary market for 645's is high-end location work, a pure studio shooter will likely have an RZ or RB system instead, with a full selection of leaf shutter lenses (rather than 3) and bellows focusing. The entire point of the 645DF over other 645's is daylight sync (1/1600 flash sync when using the 3 LS lenses with a P65+ or P45+ back, 1/800 with other backs and LS lenses). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
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It's a standard install and software key for CaptureOne (tied to an account at phaseone.com), difficulty is right in between LR and Photoshop (harder than LR, easier than PS) for activation. C1 comes with the PhaseOne and Mamiya packages (IIRC Leaf still ships with their own, crappier, software, but the backs are supported by C1 and LR/ACR). If he had to call tech support he was almost assuredly not following the simple instructions or his account was screwed up somehow. PhaseOne's activation scheme is frankly brilliant, it's designed specifically so you can deactivate one of your home installs, pickup a rental laptop on location with your rental camera kit, activate C1 on the rental with your account and have your software working fully on _your_ license, deactivate it on return of the kit (or remotely) and then reactivate your home systems when you get home to process the files. It's a good combination of low hassle and portable licensing. I've never had an issue across 5 machines and multiple versions of the software (I currently own C1 5 and 4.8, both non-Pro versions, will add 6 when support for the Sony SLT's ships). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: He said his biggest problem was getting the software installed and activated. He said he needed tech support and suspects that the reader will as well. I cant find a way to clip out the exact quote from my digital copy of SB. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If their biggest complaint was the software, the Reviewer was an idiot, CaptureOne (the software package for the 645DF) is only the #2 getted RAW conversion package on the market and is probably #1 for the sort of customer that would be buying a MFDB solution. The software is bulletproof and incredibly powerful but lacks the organizational features of Lightroom (C1 is designed to be used in parallel with a DAM solution). I used it for several years before moving to LR for the DAM capabilities (driven more by how crappy Expression Media is than any problem with C1, EM sucks, C1 doesn't but LR replaces both. I still use C1 for some work though as its base conversions can be significantly cleaner at high ISO's than LR's). If it simply wasn't liking the software UI on the digital back, there's a reason why PhaseOne offers 3 completely different UI paradigms (PhaseOne backs, Leaf backs and Mamiya DM backs all have completely different UI paradigms and work on the DF). The Leaf backs are closest to what a DSLR shooter would expect. The primary market for 645's is high-end location work, a pure studio shooter will likely have an RZ or RB system instead, with a full selection of leaf shutter lenses (rather than 3) and bellows focusing. The entire point of the 645DF over other 645's is daylight sync (1/1600 flash sync when using the 3 LS lenses with a P65+ or P45+ back, 1/800 with other backs and LS lenses). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera
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Not having used it, I'm just reporting what I've read. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: It's a standard install and software key for CaptureOne (tied to an account at phaseone.com), difficulty is right in between LR and Photoshop (harder than LR, easier than PS) for activation. C1 comes with the PhaseOne and Mamiya packages (IIRC Leaf still ships with their own, crappier, software, but the backs are supported by C1 and LR/ACR). If he had to call tech support he was almost assuredly not following the simple instructions or his account was screwed up somehow. PhaseOne's activation scheme is frankly brilliant, it's designed specifically so you can deactivate one of your home installs, pickup a rental laptop on location with your rental camera kit, activate C1 on the rental with your account and have your software working fully on _your_ license, deactivate it on return of the kit (or remotely) and then reactivate your home systems when you get home to process the files. It's a good combination of low hassle and portable licensing. I've never had an issue across 5 machines and multiple versions of the software (I currently own C1 5 and 4.8, both non-Pro versions, will add 6 when support for the Sony SLT's ships). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: He said his biggest problem was getting the software installed and activated. He said he needed tech support and suspects that the reader will as well. I cant find a way to clip out the exact quote from my digital copy of SB. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If their biggest complaint was the software, the Reviewer was an idiot, CaptureOne (the software package for the 645DF) is only the #2 getted RAW conversion package on the market and is probably #1 for the sort of customer that would be buying a MFDB solution. The software is bulletproof and incredibly powerful but lacks the organizational features of Lightroom (C1 is designed to be used in parallel with a DAM solution). I used it for several years before moving to LR for the DAM capabilities (driven more by how crappy Expression Media is than any problem with C1, EM sucks, C1 doesn't but LR replaces both. I still use C1 for some work though as its base conversions can be significantly cleaner at high ISO's than LR's). If it simply wasn't liking the software UI on the digital back, there's a reason why PhaseOne offers 3 completely different UI paradigms (PhaseOne backs, Leaf backs and Mamiya DM backs all have completely different UI paradigms and work on the DF). The Leaf backs are closest to what a DSLR shooter would expect. The primary market for 645's is high-end location work, a pure studio shooter will likely have an RZ or RB system instead, with a full selection of leaf shutter lenses (rather than 3) and bellows focusing. The entire point of the 645DF over other 645's is daylight sync (1/1600 flash sync when using the 3 LS lenses with a P65+ or P45+ back, 1/800 with other backs and LS lenses). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5.
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Indeed you are. I'm annoyed at the reviewer, not you. -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Not having used it, I'm just reporting what I've read. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: It's a standard install and software key for CaptureOne (tied to an account at phaseone.com), difficulty is right in between LR and Photoshop (harder than LR, easier than PS) for activation. C1 comes with the PhaseOne and Mamiya packages (IIRC Leaf still ships with their own, crappier, software, but the backs are supported by C1 and LR/ACR). If he had to call tech support he was almost assuredly not following the simple instructions or his account was screwed up somehow. PhaseOne's activation scheme is frankly brilliant, it's designed specifically so you can deactivate one of your home installs, pickup a rental laptop on location with your rental camera kit, activate C1 on the rental with your account and have your software working fully on _your_ license, deactivate it on return of the kit (or remotely) and then reactivate your home systems when you get home to process the files. It's a good combination of low hassle and portable licensing. I've never had an issue across 5 machines and multiple versions of the software (I currently own C1 5 and 4.8, both non-Pro versions, will add 6 when support for the Sony SLT's ships). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: He said his biggest problem was getting the software installed and activated. He said he needed tech support and suspects that the reader will as well. I cant find a way to clip out the exact quote from my digital copy of SB. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If their biggest complaint was the software, the Reviewer was an idiot, CaptureOne (the software package for the 645DF) is only the #2 getted RAW conversion package on the market and is probably #1 for the sort of customer that would be buying a MFDB solution. The software is bulletproof and incredibly powerful but lacks the organizational features of Lightroom (C1 is designed to be used in parallel with a DAM solution). I used it for several years before moving to LR for the DAM capabilities (driven more by how crappy Expression Media is than any problem with C1, EM sucks, C1 doesn't but LR replaces both. I still use C1 for some work though as its base conversions can be significantly cleaner at high ISO's than LR's). If it simply wasn't liking the software UI on the digital back, there's a reason why PhaseOne offers 3 completely different UI paradigms (PhaseOne backs, Leaf backs and Mamiya DM backs all have completely different UI paradigms and work on the DF). The Leaf backs are closest to what a DSLR shooter would expect. The primary market for 645's is high-end location work, a pure studio shooter will likely have an RZ or RB system instead, with a full selection of leaf shutter lenses (rather than 3) and bellows focusing. The entire point of the 645DF over other 645's is daylight sync (1/1600 flash sync when using the 3 LS lenses with a P65+ or P45+ back, 1/800 with other backs and LS lenses). -Adam On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Look here, if you're going to confuse the issue with the facts. . .;-) SB just said that few of these will ever leave the studio. Their biggest complaint, as I understood it, involved the software. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I've used a 645DF (at a PhaseOne demo session for CaptureOne 5), it's not just a studio camera and while not as slick as the 645D, it's quite easy to use once you get the hang of it. Plenty of people shooting in the field with it too. -Adam On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too
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2011/1/13 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:01 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Now, if DxO _really_ found the 645D to attract members of the opposite sex, I bet they'd be reluctant to state it. So you won't know until you've owned one. :-) Someone asked the owner of a Dodge Viper it helped him get laid. He responded that it would if he were interested in teenaged boys. So then we know what works for *same* sex. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/13 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 13/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: (gotcha :-) ) Bloody vikings!!! btw I have finished reading a superb book that I think you would enjoy - when's you're birthday again? In about 11 months' time. :-) But today is yours, isn't it? Happy day, mate! Hope you have a really nice one. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Especially if you look at the resulting pictures. But who has time for that?!? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:04 AM, paul stenquist wrote: Billboard photography is where cameras of over 20 megapixels really shine, but I don't shoot billboards. Nevertheless, I want a 645D:-). It'd be wonderful for lazy photographers. Turn up, snap one photo and let the editor crop it to create whatever they want with plenty of pixels still left to print. Dave (somewhat cynical today) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. I agree. I'm going to save up! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like shooting video, but I totally loathe the work of editing it and getting into usable shape; quite unlike the way I actively enjoy my time with Lightroom. So I shoot video but then leave it sitting on DV tapes or in disk directories. So it's write-only medium. Maybe some year I'll get around to editing. -T On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I just read a review of the PhaseOne 645DF in Shutterbug. Aside from being considerably more expensive than the 645D, there was an obvious difference in the reviews of the 645D. The DF is a studio camera and a but hard to use. Most of the 645D reviews have a guy running outside in the rain with the D and popping off these amazing nature shots. Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 :-( On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Price aside, Pentax may have really nailed the Digital MF field camera. I agree. I'm going to save up! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: Re: 645D fiddling Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 :-( PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Yes, but we'll be making more money in 8 years, right? Tons of it, right? :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 :-( I have no doubt that the 645D will, for what it does well, outperform just about any camera under $20,000. However, it is in many respects a Rev 1.0 product. In that regards, I am also certain that the next version will be even better. I'm also certain, that as time goes on, the cost of the electronics will drop. Also, if the market expands the way that it seems like it will, economies of scale will come into play. Once production ramps up, and the waiting list goes down, supply and demand should also bring the price down. My guess is that it'll drop below $6,000 within three years, just in time for production of 645DA glass to ramp up. It's frustrating being poor, with people selling two 645s and two 75/2.8 lenses for $850: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pho/2150629553.html If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I sold my 645 with the A75 2.8. I really enjoyed using that camera and especially the viewfinder, but I just wasn't using it for photography anymore. I sold it and the K10D to buy the K7, which was ultimately a good move. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Here's what I'm thinking. As I save, the price of used 645Ds will drop. At some point in the future, the two will intersect. It will probably be in 8 years and they'll still cost $5000 :-( I have no doubt that the 645D will, for what it does well, outperform just about any camera under $20,000. However, it is in many respects a Rev 1.0 product. In that regards, I am also certain that the next version will be even better. I'm also certain, that as time goes on, the cost of the electronics will drop. Also, if the market expands the way that it seems like it will, economies of scale will come into play. Once production ramps up, and the waiting list goes down, supply and demand should also bring the price down. My guess is that it'll drop below $6,000 within three years, just in time for production of 645DA glass to ramp up. It's frustrating being poor, with people selling two 645s and two 75/2.8 lenses for $850: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pho/2150629553.html If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/13/2011 6:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote: If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. Suppose you could. Then you would have to /pretend/ you'd need one as it seems to me that your kind of shooting does not /necessarily require/ one. I know for certain that /mine/ does not. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/13/2011 6:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote: If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. Suppose you could. Then you would have to /pretend/ you'd need one as it seems to me that your kind of shooting does not /necessarily require/ one. I know for certain that /mine/ does not. You are quite right there. Though having one would allow me to do some Savagesque style photos of the desert night sky. I'd do a lot more night landscape photography but my gear is not quite up to the task. Having seen what a 645D can do at ISO 800-1600, it would be very fun to play with one when photographing musicians. It is interesting to see how it compares with the Nikon D3, though I suspect that you could throw some math at the raw file, process the 41 Mpix down to the D3s 12 Mpix, and gain some performance there. I describe the type of photography that I do as photography that uses a camera. But, I have to admit that while a large percentage of the photos I've taken in the past few years would have benefited from the performance of a K-5, only a small percentage would have benefited any more with a 645D, and a large number of them would do better with a K-5 than with a 645D. But, while a Dodge van might do a carpenter a lot more good than a Porsche 911, that doesn't stop the carpenter from wanting the 911, any more than reality keeps me from wanting a 645D. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/13/2011 6:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote: If I could pretend to afford it, I'd buy the kit and keep one set for myself. Suppose you could. Then you would have to /pretend/ you'd need one as it seems to me that your kind of shooting does not /necessarily require/ one. I know for certain that /mine/ does not. You are quite right there. Though having one would allow me to do some Savagesque style photos of the desert night sky. I'd do a lot more night landscape photography but my gear is not quite up to the task. Having seen what a 645D can do at ISO 800-1600, it would be very fun to play with one when photographing musicians. It is interesting to see how it compares with the Nikon D3, though I suspect that you could throw some math at the raw file, process the 41 Mpix down to the D3s 12 Mpix, and gain some performance there. I describe the type of photography that I do as photography that uses a camera. But, I have to admit that while a large percentage of the photos I've taken in the past few years would have benefited from the performance of a K-5, only a small percentage would have benefited any more with a 645D, and a large number of them would do better with a K-5 than with a 645D. But, while a Dodge van might do a carpenter a lot more good than a Porsche 911, that doesn't stop the carpenter from wanting the 911, any more than reality keeps me from wanting a 645D. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Bong posted some shots taken with one at relatively high ISO, that looked better than many cameras at ISO 400. I believe that it'll also handily outperform the K-5 on things like color bit depth, dynamic range etc. It also brightens your teeth, freshens your breath and makes you irresistible to members of the appropriate sex. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/13/2011 7:57 AM, Tim Bray wrote: OK, let me seize my chance to show my ignorance. Compared to a K-5 or equivalent, the 645D is bigger, heavier, slower, and doesn't have as many interesting lenses. Its only advantage is a mega-huge sensor with correspondingly many pixels. So my conclusion was that this kind of thing is really only useful for those who want to do large-format printing, magazine pages and up. Is there any other reason to use one, aside from it being beautiful and seductive and all that? -Tim Tim, with my briefest encounter with 645 film camera and assortment of lenses back in 2004 I should say that 75/2.8, 45/2.8 and 120 mm macro (I think these were the ones I used) are all quite interesting lenses. Especially if you look at the resulting pictures. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had the chance to try it today when I got my K-5, and I just have to add one thing: The viewfinder was a dream! DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 6. jan. 2011 kl. 23.20 skrev AlunFoto: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:44 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Dave, I looked at the lenses and it seems that RED system is based around either 24x36 mm or smaller sensors, not MF ones... Looks like you're right. I remember seeing reference to a 6x17cm sensor on their website but that was a while ago. It's mentioned on the Wikipedia page as announced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Digital_Cinema_Camera_Company#Epic Dave RED Announces a whole lot of stuff. They're worse than Sigma for shipping announced cameras (The EPIC hasn't shipped yet, there's a single one in the wild. It was announced before the Canon 5DmII) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10 January 2011 09:11, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:44 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Dave, I looked at the lenses and it seems that RED system is based around either 24x36 mm or smaller sensors, not MF ones... Looks like you're right. I remember seeing reference to a 6x17cm sensor on their website but that was a while ago. It's mentioned on the Wikipedia page as announced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Digital_Cinema_Camera_Company#Epic Dave RED Announces a whole lot of stuff. They're worse than Sigma for shipping announced cameras (The EPIC hasn't shipped yet, there's a single one in the wild. It was announced before the Canon 5DmII) -Adam In their defence, at least they're open about what they're working on (and they clearly state that deadlines *will* move backwards). If Pentax were as open, we'd know whether there would be a FF camera in the near future, or a DA* 11-16mm f/2.8, or a 1.4x TC, or a DA Ltd 28mm f/2, or a DA Ltd 135mm f/2.8, or... I prefer RED's approach. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/10 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: In their defence, at least they're open about what they're working on (and they clearly state that deadlines *will* move backwards). If Pentax were as open, we'd know whether there would be a FF camera in the near future, or a DA* 11-16mm f/2.8, or a 1.4x TC, or a DA Ltd 28mm f/2, or a DA Ltd 135mm f/2.8, or... I prefer RED's approach. true but was any of the above ever more than a rumor? IIRC none was ever announced in any concrete way. I'd prefer Canikony's approach; Pentax could just keep churning out new products all the time ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 8/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: * Jostein does not like LV, Video and in-camera PPP's (post-processing presets)... Count me in too. When I got my K-x, I did not at all care about the video, but I've found it a pleasant surprise. I find that there are times when I'm photographing an event and realize that it would be handy to have video of it, and it's nice to be able to just use the camera already in my hand. I've also been blown away by the quality of the video that it takes. These are the video equivalent of snapshots, done by someone who doesn't know video, under challenging light conditions: http://www.youtube.com/user/henryofarad#p/u In short, I find Video to be handy a couple times a month. LV would be handy if it worked a bit better, and it would be very handy with a swivel monitor. I've never even tried the in camera processing, though I once did try the in camera HDR. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/8/2011 3:17 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I find the video mildly useful and entertaining on the K-5. Wouldn't want it on a 645D. Don't use any presets or post processing. I have used live view when necessary to get a shot, and it works well on the K-5. Paul I don't think that video and/or live view is technologically viable on 645D. Consider the power consumption of the unit during video recording. May be some day they will come up with a sensor that can be powered up only partially, say in the center. Then we might get medium format cameras shooting video. Alternatively they still owe us power supply revolution /grin/. Boris The sensor is not capable of LV or video. Which is a distinct loss in the case of Live View (which is a superb innovation as it turns your DSLR into a miniature view camera, complete with a built-in magnifier. Absolutely awesome when working on a tripod). Personally I could care less about video. Ditto for in-camera processing and its multiple variations. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Dave, I looked at the lenses and it seems that RED system is based around either 24x36 mm or smaller sensors, not MF ones... Looks like you're right. I remember seeing reference to a 6x17cm sensor on their website but that was a while ago. It's mentioned on the Wikipedia page as announced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Digital_Cinema_Camera_Company#Epic Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: * Jostein does not like LV, Video and in-camera PPP's (post-processing presets)... Count me in too. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 8/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: * Jostein does not like LV, Video and in-camera PPP's (post-processing presets)... Count me in too. -- I find the video mildly useful and entertaining on the K-5. Wouldn't want it on a 645D. Don't use any presets or post processing. I have used live view when necessary to get a shot, and it works well on the K-5. Paul Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoth the video-est guy in the crew /big grin/. I am yet to use any of in-camera PPP's myself. In fact, the last time I used camera for processing was like 4 years ago when K10D was novelty and kinda pioneered in-camera RAW-JPG conversion. I do use LV from time to time especially when I have to take an aimed shot raising the camera above the crowd. Not that it happens too often, but it does happen nonetheless. I use video only occasionally for family memories and in sooth I expected to use it way more than it turned out to be. Which, by the way, finally made me conclude rather inductively that whatever is advertised is often not as useful as it might seem. Call me a slow learner if you want /grin/. Boris On 1/8/2011 12:31 PM, Cotty wrote: On 8/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: * Jostein does not like LV, Video and in-camera PPP's (post-processing presets)... Count me in too. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/8/2011 3:17 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I find the video mildly useful and entertaining on the K-5. Wouldn't want it on a 645D. Don't use any presets or post processing. I have used live view when necessary to get a shot, and it works well on the K-5. Paul I don't think that video and/or live view is technologically viable on 645D. Consider the power consumption of the unit during video recording. May be some day they will come up with a sensor that can be powered up only partially, say in the center. Then we might get medium format cameras shooting video. Alternatively they still owe us power supply revolution /grin/. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Then we might get medium format cameras shooting video. Alternatively they still owe us power supply revolution /grin/. http://www.red.com/ Not for the budget-impaired, I presume. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dave, I looked at the lenses and it seems that RED system is based around either 24x36 mm or smaller sensors, not MF ones... Boris On 1/9/2011 9:49 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Then we might get medium format cameras shooting video. Alternatively they still owe us power supply revolution /grin/. http://www.red.com/ Not for the budget-impaired, I presume. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark! --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, why I read 645D reviews is another question. Kinda like pornography . . . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL. Not a bad analogy, however. I'll never be able to justify buying a new one. I have eventual hopes for the used market. If you could afford a stable of these things, however, you could do trips. 10 days in a national park with a 645D. Depending on the price I'd consider it. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark! --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, why I read 645D reviews is another question. Kinda like pornography . . . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/7 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Nikon included an uncrippled mount on their D7000 (priced at $1,300, by the way) single most ignored fact in my life these days... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: LOL. Not a bad analogy, however. I'll never be able to justify buying a new one. I have eventual hopes for the used market. Are you talking about 645D reviews or porn? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark! --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, why I read 645D reviews is another question. Kinda like pornography . . . -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hm. . . -Original Message- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:10:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: LOL. Not a bad analogy, however. I'll never be able to justify buying a new one. I have eventual hopes for the used market. Are you talking about 645D reviews or porn? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark! --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, why I read 645D reviews is another question. Kinda like pornography . . . -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fiddle with it too much and your bank account overdraft will go through the roof /evil grin/. So two points I notice: * Pentax can uncripple their mounts * Jostein does not like LV, Video and in-camera PPP's (post-processing presets)... Boris On 1/7/2011 12:20 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As long as the pages don't stick together why not both? On 1/7/2011 10:46 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hm. . . -Original Message- From: Larry Colenl...@red4est.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:10:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 645D fiddling On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: LOL. Not a bad analogy, however. I'll never be able to justify buying a new one. I have eventual hopes for the used market. Are you talking about 645D reviews or porn? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark! --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, why I read 645D reviews is another question. Kinda like pornography . . . -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Fiddled with a 645D today. But did you fiddle with some Norwegian Krone ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So we get an aperture simulator for 10,000 bucks? On 1/6/2011 5:20 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Fiddled with a 645D today. Some observations: 1. The aperture coupler works. One can bring any lens out of its A position, and the aperture is still reported correctly to the camera. 2. With extension tubes attached, exposure remains correct. Lens IDs of FA and DA lenses are not reported, though. 3. Exposure of snow scenes is more conservative (ie a little too dark) than what you find with eg. K-7. 4. There's no snap-in focus with manual focus lenses. This is the same as for 645N/645Nii. 5. You will not boost your FPS by going from single to multiple drive mode. :-) 6. There is a blessed absence of LiveView, video, and in-camera post-processing presets. oh, and what should be the zeroth point: It takes absolutely fabulous pictures, even of crappy motifs. :-) Jostein -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/1/6 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 6/1/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Fiddled with a 645D today. But did you fiddle with some Norwegian Krone ;-))) Alas. Nor with any plastic alternatives. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
