2023 Q2 "best of" gallery

[Larry Colen]

Another fairly small quarterly "best of"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720308643005

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Re: GESO: Best of 2022

[Larry Colen]

Alan, that is an excellent set.



> On Jan 2, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Alan C  wrote:
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> Inspired by Larry's efforts, I decided to post mine. With all the difficuties 
> we have endured in SA, photography & outings have been very much on the back 
> burner. Roll on 2023.
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720304928465
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GESO: Best of 2022

[Alan C]

Inspired by Larry's efforts, I decided to post mine. With all the 
difficuties we have endured in SA, photography & outings have been very 
much on the back burner. Roll on 2023.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720304928465

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Re: best of 2022 gallery

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> On Jan 2, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Nevertheless,  a very commendable 11.  2022 was a very difficult year.

Thanks Alan.

> 
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> 
> On 02-Jan-23 09:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Not a very productive year, only 11 candidates total in my quarterly best 
>> of, didn't even bother to trim them down:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720304887529
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Re: best of 2022 gallery

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Nevertheless,  a very commendable 11.  2022 was a very difficult year.

Alan C

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Not a very productive year, only 11 candidates total in my quarterly best of, 
didn't even bother to trim them down:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720304887529

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Re: best of 2022 gallery

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Thanks Dan,
I’m glad you like them.

   LRC

> On Jan 2, 2023, at 11:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> An interesting and pleasing set of images, Larry.
> 
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> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 2:30 AM Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> Not a very productive year, only 11 candidates total in my quarterly best
>> of, didn't even bother to trim them down:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720304887529
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Re: best of 2022 gallery

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An interesting and pleasing set of images, Larry.

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> Not a very productive year, only 11 candidates total in my quarterly best
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best of 2022 gallery

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Not a very productive year, only 11 candidates total in my quarterly best of, 
didn't even bother to trim them down:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720304887529

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Re: The best camera

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Or maybe in your stomach?

Alan C

On 14-Jul-22 12:32 PM, Bill wrote:

On Thu., Jul. 14, 2022, 1:56 a.m. Henk Terhell, 
wrote:


Alien butterflies, but where are they?


Probably trying to get over the wall.

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Re: The best camera

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On Thu., Jul. 14, 2022, 1:56 a.m. Henk Terhell, 
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> Alien butterflies, but where are they?
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Probably trying to get over the wall.

bill

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Re: The best camera

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Alien butterflies, but where are they? (Fermi),
The JWST will only produce interesting pictures of white dots and nebulous
objects as well as absorption lines mostly of H and He.
My Pentax gear however .

Henk

Op wo 13 jul. 2022 om 23:08 schreef Bill :

> On Wed., Jul. 13, 2022, 1:05 p.m. Henk Terhell, 
> wrote:
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> > My own set is better for shooting butterflies though.
> >
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> Doesn't that depend on which planet the butterflies are on?
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Re: The best camera

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On Wed., Jul. 13, 2022, 1:05 p.m. Henk Terhell, 
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> My own set is better for shooting butterflies though.
>
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Doesn't that depend on which planet the butterflies are on?

bill

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Re: The best camera

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> On 13 Jul 2022, at 20:28, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
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> 
> I wonder what butterflies in the Horse Head Nebula look like, however.

That’s what LSD is for - to help you find out.


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Re: The best camera

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On July 13, 2022 12:05:28 PM PDT, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>My own set is better for shooting butterflies though.

Only if they are in this solar system.

>
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>Op wo 13 jul. 2022 om 19:02 schreef Larry Colen :
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>> https://xkcd.com/2645/
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>> It’s the one at L2
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Re: The best camera

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My own set is better for shooting butterflies though.

Henk

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Re: The best camera

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Excellent!

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The best camera

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OT: World's Best Photo-Op

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Brooks Falls in Alaska's Katmai National Park is the best place in the
world to watch brown bears feasting on salmon as they swim upstream to
spawn.

My wife, my son and I visited there decades ago; it is still one of the two
most memorable travel experiences of my life (along with watching the
flowing lava at Kilauea at close range). They have a wooden platform about
15 feet off the ground, overlooking the falls, for observing and
photographing. When we were there, there were always 3 or 4 professionals
with huge lenses that spent all day at the overlook. (I have a few images
of my own, but none of great quality, as that was pre-digital, and my lens
was not that long.)

Now there is a webcam so all can enjoy the spectacle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mphg2feuAPo

(Note that one can watch live or go back to view the activity earlier in
the day.)

Katmai is in my view the most under-rated national park in the system.  The
park and preserve encompass 4,093,077 acres (6,395.43 sq mi; 16,564.09
km2), which is between the sizes of Connecticut and New Jersey. Most of the
national park is a designated wilderness area. In addition to Brooks Falls
with its abundance of bear, one can hike through the Valley of Ten Thousand
Smokes, a 40-square-mile, 100-to-700-foot-deep (30 to 213 m) pyroclastic
flow. The park includes 18 individual volcanoes, seven of which have been
active since 1900.  Oh yes, there is excellent salmon and trout fishing,
moose and beaver sightings, and eagles, eagles, eagles.

The national park has limited capacity, to preserve the natural conditions
and for safety reasons..  When we were there, sll the cabins in the park
were full, so we stayed at an inn in King Salmon, and flew in and out by
float plane each day for three days.  Now, reservations are required for
entry into the park, and are fully booked a year in advance.  Still, I
highly recommend Katmai if you are able to go there.  It is the experience
of a lifetime.

Enjoy the webcam, in any event!

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Re: "Second" Best of 2021

[Alan C]

Thanks Igor. Also Mark, Larry & Dan.

My overall fav. is the Ellie atop the Kopje. Heavens knows what it was 
doing up there.


Alan C

Alan

On 14-Jan-22 10:04 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


A very nice set!
I especially enjoy the photos of animals. The one with hippo stands 
out from the rest for me.


Igor


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 1:39 PM Alan C wrote:


Following Larry's lead, I decided to do something similar - roughly one
a month. I only shot about 600 images for the whole year so, Larry,
you're not alone!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720295865083

All with the K5 & mostly the HD 55-300, my favourite lens.

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Re: "Second" Best of 2021

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A very nice set!
I especially enjoy the photos of animals. The one with hippo stands out 
from the rest for me.


Igor


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Following Larry's lead, I decided to do something similar - roughly one
a month. I only shot about 600 images for the whole year so, Larry,
you're not alone!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720295865083

All with the K5 & mostly the HD 55-300, my favourite lens.

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Re: "Second" Best of 2021

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That is a superior gallery!
I love the wildlife shots and the airplane, but all the images are
excellent.

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On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 1:39 PM Alan C  wrote:

> Following Larry's lead, I decided to do something similar - roughly one
> a month. I only shot about 600 images for the whole year so, Larry,
> you're not alone!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720295865083
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Re: Best of 2021

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Thanks Paul, 

> On Jan 9, 2022, at 7:00 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Excellent set. And nicely edited!

It’s easy to edit down to a small set when you don’t have many good ones to 
start with.

Also thanks Alan, you’re too kind.

LRC

> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my 
>> quarterly favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna and 
>> the tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.
>> 
>> 2021 best of:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646
>> 
>> and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose from, 
>> those albums are in this collection
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/
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Re: Best of 2021

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Well done, Larry. You are an inspiration to us all.

Alan C

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It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my quarterly 
favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna and the 
tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.

2021 best of:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646

and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose from, 
those albums are in this collection

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/

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Re: "Second" Best of 2021

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Excellent set

On January 10, 2022 10:38:48 AM PST, Alan C  wrote:
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>a month. I only shot about 600 images for the whole year so, Larry, 
>you're not alone!
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720295865083
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"Second" Best of 2021

[Alan C]

Following Larry's lead, I decided to do something similar - roughly one 
a month. I only shot about 600 images for the whole year so, Larry, 
you're not alone!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72177720295865083

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Re: Best of 2021

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Excellent set. And nicely edited!

Paul

> On Jan 9, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my 
> quarterly favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna and 
> the tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.
> 
> 2021 best of:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646
> 
> and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose from, 
> those albums are in this collection
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/
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Re: Best of 2021

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> On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Very nice group of images.  I especially like the turkey.

Thanks Dan.  Yup, there’s a reason I chose to lead with that photo.


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> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 5:00 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my
>> quarterly favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna
>> and the tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.
>> 
>> 2021 best of:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646
>> 
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>> from, those albums are in this collection
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/
>> 
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Re: Best of 2021

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very nice group of images.  I especially like the turkey.

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On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 5:00 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

> It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my
> quarterly favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna
> and the tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.
>
> 2021 best of:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646
>
> and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose
> from, those albums are in this collection
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/
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Re: Best of 2021

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> On Jan 9, 2022, at 2:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> It's a  terrific  little group  -  sometimes less is more... I get easily 
> overwhelmed by looking at too many images quickly..
> I'm particularly fond of that stellar Stellar's Jay.

Thanks.  I think that was one that you had commented favorably on when I first 
posted it, so that was part of why it made it into the gallery.

The main reason that the set was so small was because I found it so hard to 
find the motivation to go out and take photos this year.  I hope that changes 
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Re: Best of 2021

[ann sanfedele]

It's a  terrific  little group  -  sometimes less is more... I get 
easily overwhelmed by looking at too many images quickly..

I'm particularly fond of that stellar Stellar's Jay.

ann

On 1/9/2022 5:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my quarterly 
favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna and the 
tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.

2021 best of:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646

and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose from, 
those albums are in this collection

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/

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Best of 2021

[Larry Colen]

It’s a small best of gallery for last year.  When I was looking at my quarterly 
favorites I was amused by how the photos of the turkey Madonna and the 
tempera-ry art in the blue bowl echoed each other.

2021 best of:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720295846646

and if anyone is interested in seeing my quarterly faves that I chose from, 
those albums are in this collection

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/

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OT: The Best Photojournalism of the Decade

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://email.nationalgeographic.com/H/2/v6017556c657ab8885bef4bbcfd118/fec1dcd0-5f00-4b3c-8ab0-295fd3e378e3/HTML

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Re: OT: Nat Geo Best of 2019 and the de cade

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You are correct.  I gave up when everyone insisted on celebrating the new
millennium on December 31, 1999.

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> the aughts, teens, twenties, but that's just the way it is.  Besides the
> teens start at 13, and the leaves '11 and '12 as orphans anyway...
>
> On 1/14/2020 10:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >
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> >
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
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Re: OT: Nat Geo Best of 2019 and the de cade

[P. J. Alling]

I stopped trying to correct people about when decades end, (hint there's 
no year zero, so decades are one based), but the National Geographic 
should know better.  I know that screws with how people think of decades 
the aughts, teens, twenties, but that's just the way it is.  Besides the 
teens start at 13, and the leaves '11 and '12 as orphans anyway...


On 1/14/2020 10:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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OT: Nat Geo Best of 2019 and the de cade

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://email.nationalgeographic.com/H/2/v4016f52391698a7716b6e965fd798/e48584af-8518-405b-acbb-74336b13f9fa/HTML


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Re: Best of 2019

[Alan C]

Well done, Larry.

I like the shots of the rickety bridge. I've come across a couple of 
those in my time.


Alan C

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Here’s my Best of 2019 album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712463836362

I hope y’all enjoy it.



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Re: Best of 2019

[P. J. Alling]

Damn,  I don't think I actually took 27 photos last year let alone 27 
I'd want to publish.  Most of those are at least interesting if not very 
nice, and yes most of those are very good.  I think I hate you.


On 1/1/2020 10:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Here’s my Best of 2019 album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712463836362

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Re: Best of 2019

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> On Jan 2, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That is a varied, interesting and appealing collection, Larry.You had a
> great year.

Thanks a bunch Dan.

> My personal favorites are 03639, 45165 and 49361.
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> 
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:30 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> Here’s my Best of 2019 album
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712463836362
>> 
>> I hope y’all enjoy it.
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Re: Best of 2019

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That is a varied, interesting and appealing collection, Larry.You had a
great year.
My personal favorites are 03639, 45165 and 49361.

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Best of 2019

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Here’s my Best of 2019 album
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PESO: Second Best

[Daniel J. Matyola]

In order to find a submission for this month's PUG, I reviewed a group of
older images, searching for acceptable seascapes.  I stumbled across
several fond memories, including this image from my second favorite island:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2019/8/31/santorini

K-5 IIs, smc 18-135 zoom
Comments are invited and appreciated.

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Re: With heavy heart, I'm selling my best lens...

[P. J. Alling]

It is with a heavy heart that I must say I cannot afford this lens, 
really mean that.  I hope you find it a good home.


On 3/6/2019 4:23 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I worked my way up the macro lens food chain to near the very top and
have enjoyed my Tokina AT-X 90mm f2.5 (with original case and 1:1
extender). This is not your usual Bokina, but the PK/A version which
is so handy to use. It is in mint condition, optically, cosmetically
and mechanically as it has gotten little use from me.

The PK/A has two strikes against it. It is probably the rarest mount
for this lens out there and also the highest in demand. Thus, it will
cost you more than the Vivitar Series 1 version of the Bokina (which
is also MUCH heavier) but similar in optical qualities.

I discovered that it was also an outstanding Astrophotography lens
when I photographed Comet Lovejoy with it, back in 2015:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/16128751667/

My no-dicker bottom dollar on this lens is $650, which includes free
insured shipping to the Continental U.S. I'd like to see it go to a
good home, thus offering it to PDML first.

Respectfully,
Darren Addy
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With heavy heart, I'm selling my best lens...

[Darren Addy]

I worked my way up the macro lens food chain to near the very top and
have enjoyed my Tokina AT-X 90mm f2.5 (with original case and 1:1
extender). This is not your usual Bokina, but the PK/A version which
is so handy to use. It is in mint condition, optically, cosmetically
and mechanically as it has gotten little use from me.

The PK/A has two strikes against it. It is probably the rarest mount
for this lens out there and also the highest in demand. Thus, it will
cost you more than the Vivitar Series 1 version of the Bokina (which
is also MUCH heavier) but similar in optical qualities.

I discovered that it was also an outstanding Astrophotography lens
when I photographed Comet Lovejoy with it, back in 2015:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/16128751667/

My no-dicker bottom dollar on this lens is $650, which includes free
insured shipping to the Continental U.S. I'd like to see it go to a
good home, thus offering it to PDML first.

Respectfully,
Darren Addy
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latest best attempt at an hdr of the waning eclipse

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/31894921907/in/album-72157675791773657/


I've come to the realization that I really need to actually plan these 
things out and think of them *before* I try to take the photos. I'm also 
quite certain that I'll come to this very same conclusion again, about a 
day after I next try to photograph a lunar eclipse.


In any case, I think that a bit more careful processing, choosing only a 
couple source frames, and choosing them carefully, made a noticeable 
improvement, but there's still plenty more room left for improvement.


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RE: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[jcoyle]

I agree with Stan on the hard-copy v. digital issue.  I edit a quarterly 
journal which is distributed to many countries, and while our printer accepts 
PDF format files for the publication, getting it into a bound format is 
expensive, and distribution even more so. We currently use two people to post 
the journal out, one in the USA for North American members and one in Germany 
for European members: this gives us the lowest postal rates possible.
About 20% of our members have opted for a PDF-only version, which is much 
easier (and cost-less), which they download from our web site. 

I think Stan's come up with a great idea, and I'd certainly participate (if I 
could find anything halfway decent to submit!).


John in Brisbane


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Subject: Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

Alan, a couple of thoughts…

First, going from a handful of digits to an image on paper is non-trivial. 
Whether it is real paper or virtual paper (e.g., pdf). That is one big reason 
why I did not even think twice about trying to step in for Mark - he is a 
master printer, I am not. So, to get to your option of a gallery of PDF 
versions of contributors images, the contributors or someone else would need to 
do the “printing.” Which is a bit different from submitting a file and letting 
Master Printer Mark do his magic to bring out the best image on paper the he 
could achieve.

I can, on the other hand, conveniently store and make accessible the digital 
form for viewing on your phone, tablet, or desktop. RAW or jpeg, full size or 
bare minimum size, makes no difference. When a viewer clicks on a thumbnail, 
the Zenfolio software creates a screen version in the default size.  

It is a simple virtual toggle switch for me to say whether the original file 
can be downloaded. My assumption was that PDML contributors to such a gallery 
would prefer not to have the download option, but it really makes no difference 
to me. Some, like Ann, derive some income from their images and I assume would 
not want the digital file accessible.

I am open for additional comments…

stan

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Actually it's virtually the same as Stan's suggestion with an option to 
> download & print if desired. I know many are happy looking at images on 
> screen but others prefer printed stuff like books, magazines & newspapers. 
> Perhaps there's a simple way to put a gallery (even Stan's) into PDF format?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 16-Jan-19 02:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print 
>> books? We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another suggestion:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all 
>>> contribute (say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. 
>>> They could then be presented in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers 
>>> in their own countries where they could arrange to have photobooks printed 
>>> or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have already been posted. 
>>> A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
>>> images.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Alan C


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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Alan C]

OK, I'm happy with that. Let's go ahead.

Alan C

On 17-Jan-19 06:01 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Alan, a couple of thoughts…

First, going from a handful of digits to an image on paper is non-trivial. 
Whether it is real paper or virtual paper (e.g., pdf). That is one big reason 
why I did not even think twice about trying to step in for Mark - he is a 
master printer, I am not. So, to get to your option of a gallery of PDF 
versions of contributors images, the contributors or someone else would need to 
do the “printing.” Which is a bit different from submitting a file and letting 
Master Printer Mark do his magic to bring out the best image on paper the he 
could achieve.

I can, on the other hand, conveniently store and make accessible the digital 
form for viewing on your phone, tablet, or desktop. RAW or jpeg, full size or 
bare minimum size, makes no difference. When a viewer clicks on a thumbnail, 
the Zenfolio software creates a screen version in the default size.

It is a simple virtual toggle switch for me to say whether the original file 
can be downloaded. My assumption was that PDML contributors to such a gallery 
would prefer not to have the download option, but it really makes no difference 
to me. Some, like Ann, derive some income from their images and I assume would 
not want the digital file accessible.

I am open for additional comments…

stan


On Jan 16, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Actually it's virtually the same as Stan's suggestion with an option to download & 
print if desired. I know many are happy looking at images on screen but others prefer 
printed stuff like books, magazines & newspapers. Perhaps there's a simple way to 
put a gallery (even Stan's) into PDF format?

Alan C

On 16-Jan-19 02:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print books? 
We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.

Paul


On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Another suggestion:

Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all contribute 
(say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. They could then be presented 
in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers in their own countries where they could 
arrange to have photobooks printed or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have 
already been posted. A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
images.

What do you think?

Alan C





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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[ann sanfedele]

Stan assumes correctly - I really am living on a shoestring...part of 
one even, but do get some income from  my smugmug site, and income from 
my calendar sales, and a couple of books on lulu and cafepress sales 
that help a lot.. I sell downloads of small jpgs for personal use from 
smugmug at a low price  and high res files for editorial use - (some 
exceptions but only with my permission )  and there are others on the 
list that are even more actively gathering funds for their work in 
exhibits and in print media..   so no, I would not like the download 
option for the online PDML annual.   Of course the smugmug site is
like a stock photo agency, in a way, it is public and everyone can view 
the photos in a a variety of sizes as much as they like and I hope they 
do :-)


ann



On 1/17/2019 11:01 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Alan, a couple of thoughts…

 snipped a bit to get to the point...

It is a simple virtual toggle switch for me to say whether the original file 
can be downloaded. My assumption was that PDML contributors to such a gallery 
would prefer not to have the download option, but it really makes no difference 
to me. Some, like Ann, derive some income from their images and I assume would 
not want the digital file accessible.

I am open for additional comments…

stan


On Jan 16, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Actually it's virtually the same as Stan's suggestion with an option to download & 
print if desired. I know many are happy looking at images on screen but others prefer 
printed stuff like books, magazines & newspapers. Perhaps there's a simple way to 
put a gallery (even Stan's) into PDF format?

Alan C

On 16-Jan-19 02:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print books? 
We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.

Paul


On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Another suggestion:

Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all contribute 
(say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. They could then be presented 
in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers in their own countries where they could 
arrange to have photobooks printed or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have 
already been posted. A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
images.

What do you think?

Alan C




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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Stanley Halpin]

Alan, a couple of thoughts…

First, going from a handful of digits to an image on paper is non-trivial. 
Whether it is real paper or virtual paper (e.g., pdf). That is one big reason 
why I did not even think twice about trying to step in for Mark - he is a 
master printer, I am not. So, to get to your option of a gallery of PDF 
versions of contributors images, the contributors or someone else would need to 
do the “printing.” Which is a bit different from submitting a file and letting 
Master Printer Mark do his magic to bring out the best image on paper the he 
could achieve.

I can, on the other hand, conveniently store and make accessible the digital 
form for viewing on your phone, tablet, or desktop. RAW or jpeg, full size or 
bare minimum size, makes no difference. When a viewer clicks on a thumbnail, 
the Zenfolio software creates a screen version in the default size.  

It is a simple virtual toggle switch for me to say whether the original file 
can be downloaded. My assumption was that PDML contributors to such a gallery 
would prefer not to have the download option, but it really makes no difference 
to me. Some, like Ann, derive some income from their images and I assume would 
not want the digital file accessible.

I am open for additional comments…

stan

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Actually it's virtually the same as Stan's suggestion with an option to 
> download & print if desired. I know many are happy looking at images on 
> screen but others prefer printed stuff like books, magazines & newspapers. 
> Perhaps there's a simple way to put a gallery (even Stan's) into PDF format?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 16-Jan-19 02:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print 
>> books? We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another suggestion:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all 
>>> contribute (say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. 
>>> They could then be presented in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers 
>>> in their own countries where they could arrange to have photobooks printed 
>>> or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have already been posted. 
>>> A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
>>> images.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Alan C


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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Brian W]

Sounds good.

I'm in!

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> On 16 January 2019 at 06:16 Stanley Halpin 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is a better URL - links to the Gallery page rather than to a specific
> photo…
> 
>   https://goo.gl/efh5iM
> 
> Ann, I just revised the Title and Caption sections on my sample images. As you
> can see, there is room in the Caption area for a webpage address or whatever.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> > 
> > I'd be in... but of course I'd want to show my web page address.. any chance
> > to sell prints is a good thing.
> > 
> > ann
> > 
> > On 1/15/2019 12:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
> >> I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.
> >> 
> >> https://goo.gl/fzFHQX
> >> 
> >> password: pdml2018
> >> 
> >> stan
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot,
> >>> will not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path,
> >>> recognizing that Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able
> >>> assistance from Bill and Doug.
> >>> 
> >>> So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our
> >>> Best Of 2018 images.
> >>> 
> >>> I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual
> >>> fee, no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.
> >>> 
> >>> Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing
> >>> purposes:
> >>> 
> >>>   Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible
> >>> in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the
> >>> web. I could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to
> >>> individual images at the owner's request.
> >>> 
> >>>   No Expiration date for the Gallery.
> >>> 
> >>>   Downloading not allowed.
> >>> 
> >>>   Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960
> >>> 
> >>>   Titles etc Not searchable
> >>> 
> >>>   Metadata viewable?
> >>> 
> >>>   Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?
> >>> 
> >>>   Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any of
> >>> the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would
> >>> be:
> >>>   A - comment on the proposed parameters
> >>>   B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5
> >>> images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and
> >>> Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load
> >>> them to the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want
> >>> displayed.
> >>> 
> >>> I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a
> >>> reasonable first deadline.
> >>> 
> >>> Comments?
> >>> 
> >>> stan
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Alan C]

Actually it's virtually the same as Stan's suggestion with an option to 
download & print if desired. I know many are happy looking at images on 
screen but others prefer printed stuff like books, magazines & 
newspapers. Perhaps there's a simple way to put a gallery (even Stan's) 
into PDF format?


Alan C

On 16-Jan-19 02:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print books? 
We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.

Paul


On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Another suggestion:

Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all contribute 
(say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. They could then be presented 
in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers in their own countries where they could 
arrange to have photobooks printed or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have 
already been posted. A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
images.

What do you think?

Alan C


On 15-Jan-19 09:18 PM, Alan C wrote:
Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table book.

Alan C


On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

 Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible in 
case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

 No Expiration date for the Gallery.

 Downloading not allowed.

 Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

 Titles etc Not searchable

 Metadata viewable?

 Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

 Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any of 
the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
 A - comment on the proposed parameters
 B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[ann sanfedele]

Yup - I agree with Paul and like stan's idea

ann

On 1/16/2019 7:55 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print books? 
We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.

Paul


On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Another suggestion:

Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all contribute 
(say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. They could then be presented 
in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers in their own countries where they could 
arrange to have photobooks printed or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have 
already been posted. A nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the 
images.

What do you think?

Alan C


On 15-Jan-19 09:18 PM, Alan C wrote:
Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table book.

Alan C


On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

 Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible in 
case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

 No Expiration date for the Gallery.

 Downloading not allowed.

 Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

 Titles etc Not searchable

 Metadata viewable?

 Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

 Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any of 
the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
 A - comment on the proposed parameters
 B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

stan
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Paul Stenquist]

Sounds complicated. Stan’s proposal is much more workable. And why print books? 
We’ve been there and Mark has done that. Time to move on.

Paul

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Another suggestion:
> 
> Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all 
> contribute (say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher resolutions. 
> They could then be presented in the usual PUG format & accessed by PDMLers in 
> their own countries where they could arrange to have photobooks printed or 
> even do it themselves. The Quotations for 2018 have already been posted. A 
> nominal charge to cover expenses could be collected up front with the images.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Alan C
> 
>> On 15-Jan-19 09:18 PM, Alan C wrote:
>> Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table book.
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>>> On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>>> I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.
>>> 
>>> https://goo.gl/fzFHQX
>>> 
>>> password: pdml2018
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, 
>>>> will not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, 
>>>> recognizing that Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able 
>>>> assistance from Bill and Doug.
>>>> 
>>>> So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our 
>>>> Best Of 2018 images.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual 
>>>> fee, no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.
>>>> 
>>>> Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:
>>>> 
>>>> Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but 
>>>> possible in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there 
>>>> on the web. I could also leave the Gallery open and password protect 
>>>> access to individual images at the owner's request.
>>>> 
>>>> No Expiration date for the Gallery.
>>>> 
>>>> Downloading not allowed.
>>>> 
>>>> Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960
>>>> 
>>>> Titles etc Not searchable
>>>> 
>>>> Metadata viewable?
>>>> 
>>>> Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?
>>>> 
>>>> Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
>>>> of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would 
>>>> be:
>>>> A - comment on the proposed parameters
>>>> B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
>>>> images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
>>>> Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load 
>>>> them to the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want 
>>>> displayed.
>>>> 
>>>> I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a 
>>>> reasonable first deadline.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments?
>>>> 
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 15.01.19 um 20:18 schrieb Alan C:

Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table 
book.


I've lurked in a Spanish photography group on Usenet, in an earlier 
life, and they made their yearbook in PDF format.


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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Alan C]

Another suggestion:

Perhaps we could convince Brian to host a "Super PUG". We could all 
contribute (say) 3 images from 2018 albeit at slightly higher 
resolutions. They could then be presented in the usual PUG format & 
accessed by PDMLers in their own countries where they could arrange to 
have photobooks printed or even do it themselves. The Quotations for 
2018 have already been posted. A nominal charge to cover expenses could 
be collected up front with the images.


What do you think?

Alan C

On 15-Jan-19 09:18 PM, Alan C wrote:
Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee 
table book.


Alan C

On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan

On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin 
 wrote:


I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I 
cannot, will not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in 
Mark’s path, recognizing that Mark not only did very fine work, but 
also had able assistance from Bill and Doug.


So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share 
our Best Of 2018 images.


I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the 
annual fee, no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.


Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing 
purposes:


Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but 
possible in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out 
there on the web. I could also leave the Gallery open and password 
protect access to individual images at the owner's request.


No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed.

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this 
or any of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the 
contributor.)



If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward 
would be:

A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up 
to 5 images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image 
Title and Caption (caption = your name or email or other 
identifier.) I will load them to the site, untouched, no editing, 
you submit what you want displayed.


I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a 
reasonable first deadline.


Comments?

stan
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[John]

Feel free to undertake the challenge.

I haven't offered to do it because it's beyond my level of competency. If 
someone else wants to take on the project, I'll contribute images and for 
certain I will buy copies of any resulting book.


But it's not something I feel comfortable I could do without EFFING it up.

On 1/15/2019 14:18:36, Alan C wrote:

Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table book.

Alan C

On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan

On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:


I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing 
that Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill 
and Doug.


So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best 
Of 2018 images.


I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, 
no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.


Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. 
I could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.


No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed.

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any of 
the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)



If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them 
to the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.


I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.


Comments?

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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[ann sanfedele]

Looks good --
I actually had not looked earlier  - just read your description






On 1/15/2019 2:16 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Here is a better URL - links to the Gallery page rather than to a specific 
photo…

https://goo.gl/efh5iM

Ann, I just revised the Title and Caption sections on my sample images. As you 
can see, there is room in the Caption area for a webpage address or whatever.

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I'd be in... but of course I'd want to show my web page address.. any chance to 
sell prints is a good thing.

ann

On 1/15/2019 12:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed.

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

stan
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Alan C]

Not a bad idea but I think most PDMLers like the idea of a coffee table 
book.


Alan C

On 15-Jan-19 07:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed.

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Stanley Halpin]

Here is a better URL - links to the Gallery page rather than to a specific 
photo…

https://goo.gl/efh5iM

Ann, I just revised the Title and Caption sections on my sample images. As you 
can see, there is room in the Caption area for a webpage address or whatever.

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I'd be in... but of course I'd want to show my web page address.. any chance 
> to sell prints is a good thing.
> 
> ann
> 
> On 1/15/2019 12:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.
>> 
>> https://goo.gl/fzFHQX
>> 
>> password: pdml2018
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, 
>>> will not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, 
>>> recognizing that Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able 
>>> assistance from Bill and Doug.
>>> 
>>> So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our 
>>> Best Of 2018 images.
>>> 
>>> I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, 
>>> no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.
>>> 
>>> Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:
>>> 
>>> Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
>>> in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the 
>>> web. I could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to 
>>> individual images at the owner's request.
>>> 
>>> No Expiration date for the Gallery.
>>> 
>>> Downloading not allowed.
>>> 
>>> Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960
>>> 
>>> Titles etc Not searchable
>>> 
>>> Metadata viewable?
>>> 
>>> Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?
>>> 
>>> Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
>>> of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would 
>>> be:
>>> A - comment on the proposed parameters
>>> B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
>>> images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
>>> Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load 
>>> them to the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.
>>> 
>>> I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a 
>>> reasonable first deadline.
>>> 
>>> Comments?
>>> 
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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

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I'd be in... but of course I'd want to show my web page address.. any 
chance to sell prints is a good thing.


ann

On 1/15/2019 12:26 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan


On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
wrote:

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed.

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

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Re: PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

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I created a sample gallery so you can see what I am talking about.

https://goo.gl/fzFHQX

password: pdml2018

stan

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
> not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing 
> that Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill 
> and Doug.
> 
> So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best 
> Of 2018 images.
> 
> I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, 
> no extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.
> 
> Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:
> 
>   Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
> in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. 
> I could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
> images at the owner's request.
> 
>   No Expiration date for the Gallery.
> 
>   Downloading not allowed. 
> 
>   Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960
> 
>   Titles etc Not searchable
> 
>   Metadata viewable?
> 
>   Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?
> 
>   Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
> of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)
> 
> 
> If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
>   A - comment on the proposed parameters
>   B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
> images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
> Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them 
> to the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.
> 
> I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
> first deadline.
> 
> Comments?
> 
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PDML "Best Of 2018" Gallery?

[Stanley Halpin]

I hate to see the PDML Annual die after its fine 10-year run. I cannot, will 
not, volunteer to step in to try and follow on in Mark’s path, recognizing that 
Mark not only did very fine work, but also had able assistance from Bill and 
Doug.

So, here are my thoughts about an alternative venue for us to share our Best Of 
2018 images.

I have a Zenfolio account, unlimited storage. I already pay the annual fee, no 
extra cost for adding another Gallery to my collection.

Are are my thoughts on configuration of a Gallery for our sharing purposes:

Access limited, password protected. No real need for this, but possible 
in case anyone is nervous about putting they best stuff out there on the web. I 
could also leave the Gallery open and password protect access to individual 
images at the owner's request.

No Expiration date for the Gallery.

Downloading not allowed. 

Max viewing size Zenfolio’s XXLarge = 1550x960

Titles etc Not searchable

Metadata viewable?

Show Number of Visitors to the Gallery?

Do Not allow viewers to order prints (again, I can adjust this or any 
of the other parameters image by image if so requested by the contributor.)


If this seems like a reasonable/useful option, then the way forward would be:
A - comment on the proposed parameters
B - I don’t see a way for others to directly upload.  Send me up to 5 
images that you would like to have included. Let me know Image Title and 
Caption (caption = your name or email or other identifier.) I will load them to 
the site, untouched, no editing, you submit what you want displayed.

I leave town for 6 weeks on 25 February, so 20 February would be a reasonable 
first deadline.

Comments?

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Re: OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[Igor PDML-StR]

Aah... You are right! Mea culpa!
It's actually written within those pages, - I just didn't read carefully.

Thanks for clarifying it, Paul!

Igor


 Paul Stenquist Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:50:15 -0800 wrote:

No problems. The stats on the Budweiser site are U.S. only, where Bud Lite 
is the top seller. The list is worldwide, and only sales of the American 
Budweiser are included under the Budweiser name. Europeans and Aussies 
don’t like to admit it, but the bland Bud sells well internationally. It’s 
not good beer, but ice cold on a hot day it’s refreshing. More 
importantly, it drinks like water but intoxicates like most other 
mid-alcohol beers, so it’s a favorite of bar crowds who like to get 
hammered in a hurry.



Paul


On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




That list has some problems:
It ranks Budweiser as #2, but if you go to the Budweiser page:
https://vinepair.com/articles/10-important-facts-budweiser-abinbev/ ,
you can see that "Bud Light was introduced in 1988 and overtook Budweiser in 
sales in 2001."

So, how could Bud Light trail as #4?
Clearly, there is an inconsistency there.


But the first question I had before seeing all that: how did they count the 
sales of Budweiser? I.e. is it just American Budweiser or combined with the 
Czech Budweiser (which is The Budweiser in most of Europe, and which is a 
real beer [sold in the US as Czechvar] as opposed to the water-like AB's 
Budweiser).





P. J. Alling Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:31:19 -0800 wrote:

Geez, I can't believe that Coors is the second best selling beer in the U.S, 
let alone the light version.  It was a big deal when I was in college, and 
someone had to go out west to bring back a "suitcase", of the stuff because 
it wasn't available East of the Mississippi.  Then it became generally 
available, and most of us couldn't believe we actually /wanted/ to drink it. 
Corona is Coors with a Mexican accent, just sayin'.



The fact that Snow, which is apparently a derivative of Miller, is the most 
popular in the world, based on it's sales in China, tells me more about life 
there than I ever really wanted to know. Miller the perennial second fiddle 
to Budweiser, gah, the world deserves to end.




On 11/14/2018 10:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

   Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.

   https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/

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Re: OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[Paul Stenquist]

No problems. The stats on the Budweiser site are U.S. only, where Bud Lite is 
the top seller. The list is worldwide, and only sales of the American Budweiser 
are included under the Budweiser name. Europeans and Aussies don’t like to 
admit it, but the bland Bud sells well internationally. It’s not good beer, but 
ice cold on a hot day it’s refreshing. More importantly, it drinks like water 
but intoxicates like most other mid-alcohol beers, so it’s a favorite of bar 
crowds who like to get hammered in a hurry.

Paul
> On Nov 14, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> That list has some problems:
> It ranks Budweiser as #2, but if you go to the Budweiser page:
> https://vinepair.com/articles/10-important-facts-budweiser-abinbev/ ,
> you can see that "Bud Light was introduced in 1988 and overtook Budweiser in 
> sales in 2001."
> So, how could Bud Light trail as #4?
> Clearly, there is an inconsistency there.
> 
> 
> But the first question I had before seeing all that: how did they count the 
> sales of Budweiser? I.e. is it just American Budweiser or combined with the 
> Czech Budweiser (which is The Budweiser in most of Europe, and which is a 
> real beer [sold in the US as Czechvar] as opposed to the water-like AB's 
> Budweiser).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> P. J. Alling Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:31:19 -0800 wrote:
> 
> Geez, I can't believe that Coors is the second best selling beer in the U.S, 
> let alone the light version.  It was a big deal when I was in college, and 
> someone had to go out west to bring back a "suitcase", of the stuff because 
> it wasn't available East of the Mississippi.  Then it became generally 
> available, and most of us couldn't believe we actually /wanted/ to drink it.  
> Corona is Coors with a Mexican accent, just sayin'.
> 
> 
> The fact that Snow, which is apparently a derivative of Miller, is the most 
> popular in the world, based on it's sales in China, tells me more about life 
> there than I ever really wanted to know. Miller the perennial second fiddle 
> to Budweiser, gah, the world deserves to end.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/14/2018 10:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
>Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.
> 
>https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/
> 
>Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[Igor PDML-StR]

That list has some problems:
It ranks Budweiser as #2, but if you go to the Budweiser page:
https://vinepair.com/articles/10-important-facts-budweiser-abinbev/ ,
you can see that "Bud Light was introduced in 1988 and overtook Budweiser 
in sales in 2001."

So, how could Bud Light trail as #4?
Clearly, there is an inconsistency there.


But the first question I had before seeing all that: how did they count 
the sales of Budweiser? I.e. is it just American Budweiser or combined 
with the Czech Budweiser (which is The Budweiser in most of Europe, and 
which is a real beer [sold in the US as Czechvar] as opposed to the 
water-like AB's Budweiser).





P. J. Alling Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:31:19 -0800 wrote:

Geez, I can't believe that Coors is the second best selling beer in the 
U.S, let alone the light version.  It was a big deal when I was in 
college, and someone had to go out west to bring back a "suitcase", of the 
stuff because it wasn't available East of the Mississippi.  Then it became 
generally available, and most of us couldn't believe we actually /wanted/ 
to drink it.  Corona is Coors with a Mexican accent, just sayin'.



The fact that Snow, which is apparently a derivative of Miller, is the 
most popular in the world, based on it's sales in China, tells me more 
about life there than I ever really wanted to know. Miller the perennial 
second fiddle to Budweiser, gah, the world deserves to end.




On 11/14/2018 10:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.

https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/

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Re: OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[John]

Why not keep rats in a cage & consume their urine directly?

On 11/14/2018 10:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.

https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/

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Re: OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[P. J. Alling]

Geez, I can't believe that Coors is the second best selling beer in the 
U.S, let alone the light version.  It was a big deal when I was in 
college, and someone had to go out west to bring back a "suitcase", of 
the stuff because it wasn't available East of the Mississippi.  Then it 
became generally available, and most of us couldn't believe we actually 
/wanted/ to drink it.  Corona is Coors with a Mexican accent, just sayin'.


The fact that Snow, which is apparently a derivative of Miller, is the 
most popular in the world, based on it's sales in China, tells me more 
about life there than I ever really wanted to know. Miller the perennial 
second fiddle to Budweiser, gah, the world deserves to end.



On 11/14/2018 10:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.

https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/

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OT: Best Selling Beer Brands

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Bet you can't name the best selling beer brand in the World.

https://vinepair.com/articles/10-biggest-beer-brands-world-2018/

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Re: September best of

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Daniel J. Matyola wrote on 10/2/18 6:31 AM:

Top quality, as usual, Larry!


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Top quality, as usual, Larry!

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> Here are my favorites from September, 3 from one day, two from another:
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[Larry Colen]

Here are my favorites from September, 3 from one day, two from another:
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Re: three best McMilky McWay

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On 14/9/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>20 seconds with astrotracer, 4x5 aspect ratio
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29746566107/in/album-72157701017161594/


my pick

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Re: three best McMilky McWay

[Subash Jeyan]

i definitely prefer the first one (20s, no astrotracer), though i
wouldn't know if it would print well...

i have a samyang 14/2.8 which i bought with the intention of doing
widefield astro photography during my trek in the himalayas last year.
at such high altitudes and with almost no light pollution the
stars/milky way are a sight to see. unfortunately, during our trek last
year we had unseasonal snowfall almost every day of the trek and the
skies were greyed out. down where i live, between june and september is
the ideal time for this but that's when the monsoon is active. or i am
just too lazy...i plan to get down to it soon enough and i will be
happy if i can get the kind of results you get


On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:04:15 -0700
Larry Colen  wrote:

> I should have been getting other things done, but I got side tracked, 
> trying to figure out ways to smooth the horizon discontinuity.
> 
> All of them shot with the Rokinon 24/1.4 on K-1 from the same
> location.
> 
> I was experimenting with cropping most of the photos to just above or 
> just below the horizon so that lightroom wouldn't get the stars right 
> but have an ugly step in the horizon.  I was mostly able to get it to 
> work and cleaned things up with the clone tool. The horizon being a
> bit blurry from the astrotracer sort of helped.   At some point I'll
> need to learn lightroom.
> 
> What I think that I need to do in the future is first off, quickly
> shoot horizontal frames across the horizon to get a good clean set of
> photos that include the horizon with minimal star motion.  Then I
> need to shoot my panorama set with each of the other frames either
> above, or below, the horizon, so the horizon is in only one set of
> photos.
> 
> I should also probably work on getting a good set of perimeter shots, 
> particularly the vertical edges so that I have good frames for beyond 
> the whole area I want to shoot.
> 
> Here are my three favorites of my panos. Suggestions of how to
> improve them and which one to print are much appreciated:
> 
> 20 seconds, no astrotracer, 4x5 aspect ratio
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744871447/in/album-72157701017161594/
> 
> 20 seconds with astrotracer, 4x5 aspect ratio
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29746566107/in/album-72157701017161594/
> 
> 40 seconds with astrotracer  square crop
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42851175660/in/album-72157701017161594/
> 
> 
> 
>   set of these three:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157701017161594
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[Larry Colen]

I should have been getting other things done, but I got side tracked, 
trying to figure out ways to smooth the horizon discontinuity.


All of them shot with the Rokinon 24/1.4 on K-1 from the same location.

I was experimenting with cropping most of the photos to just above or 
just below the horizon so that lightroom wouldn't get the stars right 
but have an ugly step in the horizon.  I was mostly able to get it to 
work and cleaned things up with the clone tool. The horizon being a bit 
blurry from the astrotracer sort of helped.   At some point I'll need to 
learn lightroom.


What I think that I need to do in the future is first off, quickly shoot 
horizontal frames across the horizon to get a good clean set of photos 
that include the horizon with minimal star motion.  Then I need to shoot 
my panorama set with each of the other frames either above, or below, 
the horizon, so the horizon is in only one set of photos.


I should also probably work on getting a good set of perimeter shots, 
particularly the vertical edges so that I have good frames for beyond 
the whole area I want to shoot.


Here are my three favorites of my panos. Suggestions of how to improve 
them and which one to print are much appreciated:


20 seconds, no astrotracer, 4x5 aspect ratio
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744871447/in/album-72157701017161594/

20 seconds with astrotracer, 4x5 aspect ratio
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29746566107/in/album-72157701017161594/

40 seconds with astrotracer  square crop
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42851175660/in/album-72157701017161594/



 set of these three:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157701017161594

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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Alan C]

Textbook image. Perhaps not colourful but nevertheless immaculate. Some 
birders concentrate on difficult SBJ's.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stenquist

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Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon 
as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He 
has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a 
bit of a catch light from a sky reflection.


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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Jack Davis]

Well caught, Paul.

J

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> very nice Paul...
> 
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:51:32 -0400
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> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Subash Jeyan]

very nice Paul...

On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:51:32 -0400
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/


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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice captured!  You actually brought out a bit of personality in that dull
little fellow.

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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about
> solid grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds
> drop. The males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head
> north as soon as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an
> exception. He has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He
> even caught a bit of a catch light from a sky reflection.
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ken. A great day to spend some time outdoors.

Paul

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 3:05 PM, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> 
> Nice capture Paul.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com>
>> Subject: PESO Looking His Best
>> 
>> Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
>> grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
>> males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon 
>> as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He 
>> has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a 
>> bit of a catch light from a sky reflection. 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture Paul.


-Original Message-
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>Subject: PESO Looking His Best
>
>Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
>grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
>males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon as 
>the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He has 
>some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a bit of 
>a catch light from a sky reflection. 
>
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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PESO Looking His Best

[Paul Stenquist]

Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon as 
the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He has some 
nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a bit of a 
catch light from a sky reflection. 

https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: January best of

[Igor PDML-StR]

They do appear brighter now. And it is better.

When I was looking on my laptop, - the photo still seems to me a bit dull.
I came home and looked on a big desktop screen, maximizing to the full 
screen, - and it looked much better.


So, this is one of those photos where the way you look at it is critical.
(It still didn't become my favorite in this set, but I like it more now.)
I hope my suggestion was helpful.

Igor



Larry Colen Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:14:16 -0800 wrote:


Igor PDML-StR wrote:


The pinecones is an interesting photo, but it looks dark. It is not
necessarily the brightness. It's just that the complex details are not
popping out.
I don't know what should be done, - but I'd try to play with the
fill-in light (boosting up shadow areas), "vibrance", and "presence"
sliders in LR.


I tried brightening things up a bit. Here is the original:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/28327455309/in/album-72157693093943405/

Here is the modified:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/25280799037/in/album-72157693093943405/


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Re: January best of

[Larry Colen]

ann sanfedele wrote:

the first two are my faves of your faves...


Thanks Ann


But I bet you knew that :-)


You had mentioned them before.




ann

On 2/6/2018 12:25 AM, John wrote:

On 2/5/2018 20:58, Larry Colen wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of"
set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885



Yeah. Me to. Unfortunately, the life that's been happening here hasn't
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Re: January best of

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:



But I digress...


And you digress very well.



The pinecones is an interesting photo, but it looks dark. It is not
necessarily the brightness. It's just that the complex details are not
popping out.
I don't know what should be done, - but I'd try to play with the
fill-in light (boosting up shadow areas), "vibrance", and "presence"
sliders in LR.


I tried brightening things up a bit. Here is the original:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/28327455309/in/album-72157693093943405/

Here is the modified:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/25280799037/in/album-72157693093943405/




Cheers,

Igor



Larry Colen Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:59:20 -0800 wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of"
set:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885



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Re: January best of

[ann sanfedele]

the first two are my faves of your faves...
But I bet you knew that :-)

ann

On 2/6/2018 12:25 AM, John wrote:

On 2/5/2018 20:58, Larry Colen wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of"
set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885



Yeah. Me to. Unfortunately, the life that's been happening here hasn't 
provided any opportunities for me to get outside with a camera.






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Re: January best of

[Larry Colen]

Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback.  I've been recalibrating my 
monitors so I'm very interested in how the exposure/brightness levels 
work for folks.


Igor PDML-StR wrote:



One photo from this set keeps attracting my attention: the one with the
S.C. hat.

The panorama is done nicely, - but I've noticed an interesting effect:
you (I) spend time working on a panorama, enjoy the process, get the
result, and then people are not that much excited to look at it...

I guess, this is because panoramas are hard to see (they require
scrolling), and for the most part they are lacking a single "attention
focus" that people are used to in a photograph.
It is in a way similar to the difference between a novel (with its
multiple events are story lines happening in parallel) and a
short story or novella (with a compact and pointed plot).

BTW, I think there is a similar effect with a "3D" panoramas in museums:
it seems to me that many people do not spend time looking at the
multitude of the details and things happening in a complex panorama (or
a 3D model
worlds).
An exception might be when something is moving in those, attracting
attention, such as in the Hamburg's "Miniatur Wunderland":
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/
(watch the video)
The coolest part, IMHO, is the airport:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9IlPDOar7E
(I haven't seen this place myself.)

But I digress...

The pinecones is an interesting photo, but it looks dark. It is not
necessarily the brightness. It's just that the complex details are not
popping out.
I don't know what should be done, - but I'd try to play with the
fill-in light (boosting up shadow areas), "vibrance", and "presence"
sliders in LR.

Cheers,

Igor



Larry Colen Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:59:20 -0800 wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of"
set:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885



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[Igor PDML-StR]

One photo from this set keeps attracting my attention: the one with the 
S.C. hat.


The panorama is done nicely, - but I've noticed an interesting effect: you 
(I) spend time working on a panorama, enjoy the process, get the result, 
and then people are not that much excited to look at it...


I guess, this is because panoramas are hard to see (they require 
scrolling), and for the most part they are lacking a single "attention 
focus" that people are used to in a photograph.
It is in a way similar to the difference between a novel (with its 
multiple events are story lines happening in parallel) and a

short story or novella (with a compact and pointed plot).

BTW, I think there is a similar effect with a "3D" panoramas in museums:
it seems to me that many people do not spend time looking at the multitude 
of the details and things happening in a complex panorama (or a 3D model

worlds).
An exception might be when something is moving in those, attracting 
attention, such as in the Hamburg's "Miniatur Wunderland":

http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/
(watch the video)
The coolest part, IMHO, is the airport:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9IlPDOar7E
(I haven't seen this place myself.)

But I digress...

The pinecones is an interesting photo, but it looks dark. It is not 
necessarily the brightness. It's just that the complex details are not 
popping out.

I don't know what should be done, - but I'd try to play with the
fill-in light (boosting up shadow areas), "vibrance", and "presence" 
sliders in LR.


Cheers,

Igor



Larry Colen Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:59:20 -0800 wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally 
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of" 
set:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885

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Re: January best of

[John]

On 2/5/2018 20:58, Larry Colen wrote:

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally
caught up processing photos from January, so here's my monthly "best of"
set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157692036993885



Yeah. Me to. Unfortunately, the life that's been happening here hasn't 
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[Larry Colen]

I've been having a lot of life happening to me recently, I'm finally 
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Re: GESO Best of 2017

[ann sanfedele]

I find the fire disturbing because the fire was disturbing,  you silly 
man...

and the bondange shots because I find bondage disturbing.
But neither of those, regardless of the content, do I feel should be in 
your "BEST OF"
The fire, because , well, the fire is the story  - it would disturb no 
matter who took a photo of it or how

skillful the work. (I don't mean the abstract one - I mean the first one).

And of course the reasson I love the bw dance thing is for the same 
reasons that you took the photo..
- that shows off your talent at capturing the moment and your eye for 
something apparently ordinary but

raised above it with perfect timing.  Hope Mark likes it :-)

ann


On 12/31/2017 5:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



ann sanfedele wrote:

I still like the ones I already told you I liked .. there are a couple I
don't remember seeing before but I hopped off and on the list all
year..  of the ones I never saw before, I like that BW line up of
dancers .. such a nice natural moment,


Thanks, that was during a competition, and I really liked the 
interplay in the moment.



especially with the figures in the foreground...  I find the fire shot
and the bondage shots disturbing.


If I were to get all pretentious and shit, I'd say that the point of 
art is to make you feel, not necessarily to make you feel happy, but 
that would involve the conceit that my photos qualify as art.







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[Larry Colen]

ann sanfedele wrote:

I still like the ones I already told you I liked .. there are a couple I
don't remember seeing before but I hopped off and on the list all
year..  of the ones I never saw before, I like that BW line up of
dancers .. such a nice natural moment,


Thanks, that was during a competition, and I really liked the interplay 
in the moment.



especially with the figures in the foreground...  I find the fire shot
and the bondage shots disturbing.


If I were to get all pretentious and shit, I'd say that the point of art 
is to make you feel, not necessarily to make you feel happy, but that 
would involve the conceit that my photos qualify as art.




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Re: GESO Best of 2017

[ann sanfedele]

I still like the ones I already told you I liked .. there are a couple I 
don't remember seeing before but I hopped off and on the list all 
year..  of the ones I never saw before, I like that BW line up of 
dancers .. such a nice natural moment,
especially with the figures in the foreground...  I find the fire shot 
and the bondage shots disturbing.


ann


On 12/31/2017 1:21 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

Thanks Dan, much appreciated

On December 31, 2017 6:13:14 AM PST, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:

All exceptional, Larry.  You had a great year.

I especially like the eclipse, the nestlings the circle of flames, and
the
flying bird reflected in the water.


Dan Matyola
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Re: GESO Best of 2017

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Thanks Dan, much appreciated

On December 31, 2017 6:13:14 AM PST, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>All exceptional, Larry.  You had a great year.
>
>I especially like the eclipse, the nestlings the circle of flames, and
>the
>flying bird reflected in the water.
>
>
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>> Here are my favorite photos for the year:
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Re: GESO Best of 2017

[Daniel J. Matyola]

All exceptional, Larry.  You had a great year.

I especially like the eclipse, the nestlings the circle of flames, and the
flying bird reflected in the water.


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On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:11 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Here are my favorite photos for the year:
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Re: GESO September best of

[Donald Guthrie]

I agree on the Stilt but my 1st choice is the boardwalk with stars.

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Like the Stilt and Egret, Larry.
Boardwalk, not so much.

J

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On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Larry Colen<l...@red4est.com>  wrote:

Thin selection this month, four shots.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660999743898

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Re: GESO September best of

[ann sanfedele]

I see you couldnt make up your mind which of the pier shots you liked 
better :-)  I lean to the first one.
Both birdy shots are wonderful  - The stilt shot showing just how aptly 
name he is.


ann

On 9/30/2017 2:21 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Thin selection this month, four shots.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660999743898




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Re: GESO September best of

[Larry Colen]

Thanks Paul and Jack.

Paul Sorenson wrote:

The darker of the two piers would be my choice.  I like the silhouette
of the pier, the twilight look and the stars overhead.

-p


On 9/30/2017 8:26 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Like the Stilt and Egret, Larry.
Boardwalk, not so much. :-)

J

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On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
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Quite nice, Larry.


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On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Thin selection this month, four shots.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660999743898



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Re: GESO September best of

[Paul Sorenson]

The darker of the two piers would be my choice.  I like the silhouette 
of the pier, the twilight look and the stars overhead.


-p


On 9/30/2017 8:26 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Like the Stilt and Egret, Larry.
Boardwalk, not so much. :-)

J

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On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

Quite nice, Larry.


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On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Thin selection this month, four shots.

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Re: GESO September best of

[Jack Davis]

Like the Stilt and Egret, Larry.
Boardwalk, not so much. :-)

J

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> On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Quite nice, Larry.
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> Dan Matyola
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>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> Thin selection this month, four shots.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660999743898
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Re: GESO September best of

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Quite nice, Larry.


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On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

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GESO September best of

[Larry Colen]

Thin selection this month, four shots.

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