Clear Packing Tape on LCD
Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
From: Bipin Gupta Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. That someone was me. You should be careful, but it's not inherently dangerous to your camera. No more so than applying one of the expensive LCD screen protectors you can buy from camera stores. And it lays down smoother than those commercial screen protectors. Best to leave it on until it begins to wear off by itself. The whole idea is the tape is there until it gets too scratched up to see through. The tape gets scratched up, but the LCD does not. When the protective cover is worn enough that it's time to replace it, peel it from a corner and draw the tape *across*, doubling it back on itself rather than trying to pull it straight out. At that point, very little force is required. Especially if you don't try to pull it straight up. Never try to pull it straight up. Another alternative is to clear contact acetate like we used in the Army for laminating topo maps, but the mil-spec product is very hard to find. You can use the "Contact Paper" brand clear acetate that is sold at Target, Walmart or Kmart (& who knows where else), but my experience is it's not quite as transparent as the tape is, and it's not as easy to smooth out any bubbles that might occur. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also use this kind of thing on my phone the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, i think -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:43 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote >> Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape >> on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. >> CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. >> Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD >> screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. > > i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; > there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also > use this kind of thing on my phone > > the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly > at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, i > think > I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? I put a protective screen on my iPhone when I bought it 3.25 years ago, and I may need to replace it in another year or two. Probably replace the phone first. But that is a device that I keep in my pocket along with car keys, coins, and other sharp objects, and a device for which the screen is a primary interface. I've never put anything of the sort on any of my cameras, going back to my Optio 330, then *ist-D and on from there. I don't treat my cameras with kid gloves but still have never noticed any scratches etc. (other than nose grease). And if there were a scratch, I can't see how it would affect the functionality of the camera in any way. I just don't see why anyone would bother with the mess and possible damage to the camera. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On 10/6/2011 5:33 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:43 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also use this kind of thing on my phone the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, i think I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? I put a protective screen on my iPhone when I bought it 3.25 years ago, and I may need to replace it in another year or two. Probably replace the phone first. But that is a device that I keep in my pocket along with car keys, coins, and other sharp objects, and a device for which the screen is a primary interface. I've never put anything of the sort on any of my cameras, going back to my Optio 330, then *ist-D and on from there. I don't treat my cameras with kid gloves but still have never noticed any scratches etc. (other than nose grease). And if there were a scratch, I can't see how it would affect the functionality of the camera in any way. I just don't see why anyone would bother with the mess and possible damage to the camera. Same reason people use UV filters, without any degradation to image quality. Cheap insurance. A screen protector costs, at most, $5, replacing an LCD is upwards of $150. It's a 1 in 30 payoff. stan -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On 10/6/2011 5:33 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:43 PM, steve harley wrote: >> >>> on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. >>> i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; >>> there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also >>> use this kind of thing on my phone >>> >>> the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly >>> at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, >>> i think >>> >> I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. >> Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? I put a >> protective screen on my iPhone when I bought it 3.25 years ago, and I may >> need to replace it in another year or two. Probably replace the phone first. >> But that is a device that I keep in my pocket along with car keys, coins, >> and other sharp objects, and a device for which the screen is a primary >> interface. I've never put anything of the sort on any of my cameras, going >> back to my Optio 330, then *ist-D and on from there. I don't treat my >> cameras with kid gloves but still have never noticed any scratches etc. >> (other than nose grease). And if there were a scratch, I can't see how it >> would affect the functionality of the camera in any way. I just don't see >> why anyone would bother with the mess and possible damage to the camera. > > Same reason people use UV filters, without any degradation to image quality. > Cheap insurance. > A screen protector costs, at most, $5, replacing an LCD is upwards of $150. > It's a 1 in 30 payoff. In regard to a UV filter, any piece of glass you put in front of the lens degrades the image somewhat. And if it's a cheap UV filter, it degrades it a considerable amount. Covering the LCD is kind of pointless in that it's pretty hard to damage the LCD to the point where it's not useable. I'm somewhat rough on equipment just because I use it a lot in some tough environments, but I'e never noticed any degradation of the LCD screen. Paul > >> >> stan > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On my Wacom pen tablet, which got scratched after many years, I cut a piece off an A4 transparency sheet, and taped that down over the surface: works fine and can be easily replaced when worn. It also doesn't matter if I use a wet cleaner on it. Should work just as well on an LCD screen - I'll try it on my *ist-D. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Friday, 7 October 2011 6:16 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Clear Packing Tape on LCD From: Bipin Gupta > Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape > on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. > CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. > Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD > screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. > That someone was me. You should be careful, but it's not inherently dangerous to your camera. No more so than applying one of the expensive LCD screen protectors you can buy from camera stores. And it lays down smoother than those commercial screen protectors. Best to leave it on until it begins to wear off by itself. The whole idea is the tape is there until it gets too scratched up to see through. The tape gets scratched up, but the LCD does not. When the protective cover is worn enough that it's time to replace it, peel it from a corner and draw the tape *across*, doubling it back on itself rather than trying to pull it straight out. At that point, very little force is required. Especially if you don't try to pull it straight up. Never try to pull it straight up. Another alternative is to clear contact acetate like we used in the Army for laminating topo maps, but the mil-spec product is very hard to find. You can use the "Contact Paper" brand clear acetate that is sold at Target, Walmart or Kmart (& who knows where else), but my experience is it's not quite as transparent as the tape is, and it's not as easy to smooth out any bubbles that might occur. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
on 2011-10-06 18:33 Stan Halpin wrote I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. i carry my camera on a strap that hangs at hip level; i try to avoid scraping it, but i sometimes scramble on rocks or weed the garden with my camera, and it is often enough that the screen rubs something like a backpack waistbelt buckle or a jacket zipper or sometimes worse; sometime soon i expect to sell the camera (which i just realized i've had for a year longer than i had thought) and a pristine screen should increase the perceived value i know from my old PowerShot G3 that screens that have been rubbed to the point where the finish suffers can still display okay since the illumination shines right through the rubbed areas, but when powered off that screen looks like crap, and if the camera weren't worthless anyway it would bring down the value for sure -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
From: steve harley on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also use this kind of thing on my phone the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, i think The problem I ran into with the clear screen covers is they would not go on smoothly & left bubbles underneath. I can get the clear tape to go on smoothly without bubbles. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
From: Stan Halpin I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? I've damaged the protective film more than once. But it did its job and protected the actual LCD cover. Replacing scuffed up protective film is easier and cheaper than getting the actual LCD cover replaced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
From: Paul Stenquist On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On 10/6/2011 5:33 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:43 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2011-10-06 11:07 Bipin Gupta wrote Someone suggested here on PDML use of good quality clear packing tape on the LCD, like the one made by the 3M company. CAUTION / ACHTUNG ! While removing it, considerable force is required. Chances are you will pull the LCD screen out if not careful. The LCD screen is stuck with double sided tape to the camera body. i use clear screen covers, fairly generic, with a much lighter adhesive; there's no way they could pull as hard as packing tape when removed; i also use this kind of thing on my phone the one on my K200d was cut down from a larger piece, and has worn slightly at the edges, but has lasted 28 months, so the small expense was worth it, i think I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? I put a protective screen on my iPhone when I bought it 3.25 years ago, and I may need to replace it in another year or two. Probably replace the phone first. But that is a device that I keep in my pocket along with car keys, coins, and other sharp objects, and a device for which the screen is a primary interface. I've never put anything of the sort on any of my cameras, going back to my Optio 330, then *ist-D and on from there. I don't treat my cameras with kid gloves but still have never noticed any scratches etc. (other than nose grease). And if there were a scratch, I can't see how it would affect the functionality of the camera in any way. I just don't see why anyone would bother with the mess and possible damage to the camera. Same reason people use UV filters, without any degradation to image quality. Cheap insurance. A screen protector costs, at most, $5, replacing an LCD is upwards of $150. It's a 1 in 30 payoff. In regard to a UV filter, any piece of glass you put in front of the lens degrades the image somewhat. And if it's a cheap UV filter, it degrades it a considerable amount. Covering the LCD is kind of pointless in that it's pretty hard to damage the LCD to the point where it's not useable. I'm somewhat rough on equipment just because I use it a lot in some tough environments, but I'e never noticed any degradation of the LCD screen. Paul OTOH, even a cheap UV filter doesn't degrade the image as much as a scratched up front lens element. If the filter does get scratched up, a filter is cheaper to replace than a lens. That is not conjecture, it is bitter, hard learned, expensive experience. Nor do you necessarily have to use a *cheap* UV filter. There are good quality filters available for not that much greater cost than the cheap ones, but it still costs less to replace a good quality UV filter than it does to replace a lens. I've never scratched up an LCD screen either. I *have* scratched up the protective film I keep on the LCD. That's what the protective film is there for. Without the film I would likely have been paying to replace the LCD. A scuffed up, scratched up LCD is difficult for me to read. It's not about chimping the images, it's about can I read the damn menus and the functional data. When the protective film gets worn, I replace it, and I'm back to an LCD screen I can read. You gotta' do what works for you. I gotta' do what works for me. The advantage of using the clear acetate tape has been that *IT WORKED* for me. YMMV. ... and I've never had any problem with the LCD trying to pull out of the body while I was replacing the protective film either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 6, 2011, at 19:57, Larry Colen wrote: > > Same reason people use UV filters, without any degradation to image quality. > Cheap insurance. Except that the UV filters CAN degrade image quality. And screen protectors always compromise the quality of the viewed image. I hate 'em. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:47, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Stan Halpin >> I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the >> LCD. Yeah, I know, it is for protection, but what is the point? > > I've damaged the protective film more than once. But it did its job and > protected the actual LCD cover. > > Replacing scuffed up protective film is easier and cheaper than getting the > actual LCD cover replaced. > True dat, but it's also usually much easier to scuff the film than it is to scuff the harder plastic underneath, so a scuffed protector does not necessarily indicate you having prevented a scuff on the LCD. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
on 2011-10-07 10:14 Charles Robinson wrote On Oct 6, 2011, at 19:57, Larry Colen wrote: Same reason people use UV filters, without any degradation to image quality. Cheap insurance. Except that the UV filters CAN degrade image quality. And screen protectors always compromise the quality of the viewed image. I hate 'em. imo there's not enough there on a camera's LCD to be fussy about the quality; i use it just to check the histogram, to show shots to people and to work the menus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2011-10-07 10:36 John Sessoms wrote The problem I ran into with the clear screen covers is they would not go on smoothly & left bubbles underneath. I can get the clear tape to go on smoothly without bubbles. hmm, i didn't have that problem three years ago when i put mine on; i do have that problem with the protectors on my phone, but usually i can work them to the side and over time they go away -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nikon has the right idea with their supplied screen protectors which clip on. On 8 October 2011 03:48, steve harley wrote: > on 2011-10-07 10:36 John Sessoms wrote >> >> The problem I ran into with the clear screen covers is they would not go >> on >> smoothly & left bubbles underneath. I can get the clear tape to go on >> smoothly >> without bubbles. >> > > hmm, i didn't have that problem three years ago when i put mine on; i do > have that problem with the protectors on my phone, but usually i can work > them to the side and over time they go away > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:15 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > OTOH, even a cheap UV filter doesn't degrade the image as much as a scratched > up front lens element. If the filter does get scratched up, a filter is > cheaper to replace than a lens. > > That is not conjecture, it is bitter, hard learned, expensive experience. Interesting, I'd be interested to hear more details. I've heard the stories of Pentax lenses being used as ash trays without the slightest damage so I figured you'd have to try pretty hard to scratch one. Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I consider UV filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as someone using a lens with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. That's fingernails on a blackboard to me. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:29:29 +1300 David Mann wrote: > Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I > consider UV filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as > someone using a lens with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. > That's fingernails on a blackboard to me. But it protects the lens body that way -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have experimented with LCD clear film protectors on my cameras, and phones and have found bubbles form on the cheaper Walmart type purchases. A friend of mine gave me a complimentary clear film from Palm Inc. I could tell it was extremely high quality and went on my K20D perfectly - absolutely no bubbles. It's been on for 21/2 years now and I have not noticed any curling at the edges. Of course I had to cut it to size for the K20D LCD screen. I can see no deterioration of the image on the LCD whatsoever. Best of all it comes of very easily - no pulling force required - and can be stuck back again. I can positively recommend use of protective film. It has protected my LCD screen as I can see plenty of scratches on the film, so much so that I must replace it with a new one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:29, David Mann wrote: > > Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I consider UV > filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as someone using a lens > with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. That's fingernails on a > blackboard to me. > I recently watched a "wedding photographer" shooting INTO THE SUN with the lens hood fitted backwards. Sunshine directly illuminating the front element. I wanted to say something, and realized that she probably "does what she does" and wouldn't want to hear suggestions from the peanut gallery. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/10/2011 12:47 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: I recently watched a "wedding photographer" shooting INTO THE SUN with the lens hood fitted backwards. Sunshine directly illuminating the front element. I wanted to say something, and realized that she probably "does what she does" and wouldn't want to hear suggestions from the peanut gallery. Rule #1: Don't ever disturb a wedding photographer. It's a no win situation. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Lens flare is a very popular look ATM. On 9 October 2011 02:47, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:29, David Mann wrote: >> >> Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I consider UV >> filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as someone using a lens >> with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. That's fingernails on a >> blackboard to me. >> > > I recently watched a "wedding photographer" shooting INTO THE SUN with the > lens hood fitted backwards. Sunshine directly illuminating the front > element. I wanted to say something, and realized that she probably "does > what she does" and wouldn't want to hear suggestions from the peanut gallery. > > -Charles > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David Mann On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:15 AM, John Sessoms wrote: OTOH, even a cheap UV filter doesn't degrade the image as much as a scratched up front lens element. If the filter does get scratched up, a filter is cheaper to replace than a lens. That is not conjecture, it is bitter, hard learned, expensive experience. Interesting, I'd be interested to hear more details. I've heard the stories of Pentax lenses being used as ash trays without the slightest damage so I figured you'd have to try pretty hard to scratch one. Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I consider UV filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as someone using a lens with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. That's fingernails on a blackboard to me A lens cap provides no protection while you are actually taking photographs. The lens hood does not always adequately protect the front element. I slipped & fell while taking photographs. The camera hit the ground lens first. The lens did not have a filter. I put a bad ding (like a chipped car windshield) in the front glass that showed up in every photo I subsequently took with that lens, so that I ended up having to replace it. I have had other accidents where I banged up the filter, but the the lens itself was not damaged. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:51:13 -0600 William Robb wrote: > Rule #1: Don't ever disturb a wedding photographer. > It's a no win situation. > Rule #2: always smile and nod when shown wedding pictures (even if it hurts) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:53 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: David Mann >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:15 AM, John Sessoms wrote: >> >>> OTOH, even a cheap UV filter doesn't degrade the image as much as >>> a scratched up front lens element. If the filter does get >>> scratched up, a filter is cheaper to replace than a lens. >>> >>> That is not conjecture, it is bitter, hard learned, expensive >>> experience. >> >> Interesting, I'd be interested to hear more details. I've heard the >> stories of Pentax lenses being used as ash trays without the >> slightest damage so I figured you'd have to try pretty hard to >> scratch one. >> >> Myself, I always have either a hood or a cap on my lenses. I >> consider UV filters to be superfluous, but they're not as bad as >> someone using a lens with a hood fitted in its "backwards" position. >> That's fingernails on a blackboard to me > > A lens cap provides no protection while you are actually taking photographs. > The lens hood does not always adequately protect the front element. > > I slipped & fell while taking photographs. The camera hit the ground lens > first. > > The lens did not have a filter. I put a bad ding (like a chipped car > windshield) in the front glass that showed up in every photo I subsequently > took with that lens, so that I ended up having to replace it. > > I have had other accidents where I banged up the filter, but the the lens > itself was not damaged. Okay, that works for you. But I've never damaged a front lens element in 50 years of photography. I did bend one filter ring 35 years ago. I can't see putting a $50 filter on a $1000+ lens. If I was convinced that I couldn't keep from damaging my equipment without filters, I don't think I would invest in good glass. Because a filter renders good glass, mediocre. Paul > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:29 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2011-10-06 18:33 Stan Halpin wrote >> I am not at all clear on the reasons for putting anything over the LCD. > > i carry my camera on a strap that hangs at hip level; i try to avoid scraping > it, but i sometimes scramble on rocks or weed the garden with my camera, and > it is often enough that the screen rubs something like a backpack waistbelt > buckle or a jacket zipper or sometimes worse; sometime soon i expect to sell > the camera (which i just realized i've had for a year longer than i had > thought) and a pristine screen should increase the perceived value > > i know from my old PowerShot G3 that screens that have been rubbed to the > point where the finish suffers can still display okay since the illumination > shines right through the rubbed areas, but when powered off that screen looks > like crap, and if the camera weren't worthless anyway it would bring down the > value for sure. Thanks Steve. I remain unconvinced, but your comment about resale value is about the only comment that seems to make any sense. Nobody yet has been able to point to any loss of functionality from damage to the LCD. Several have commented that damage to the protective covering can be a nuisance, to which my solution would be to leave off the protective covering. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:53 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > A lens cap provides no protection while you are actually taking photographs. > The lens hood does not always adequately protect the front element. > > I slipped & fell while taking photographs. The camera hit the ground lens > first. > > The lens did not have a filter. I put a bad ding (like a chipped car > windshield) in the front glass that showed up in every photo I subsequently > took with that lens, so that I ended up having to replace it. IMHO a hood can offer plenty of protection as whatever you land on will need to either destroy the hood or protrude into it to reach the glass (except maybe those collapsible rubber ones). I know this sort of thing has been discussed here a few times and I wouldn't be surprised if the usual level of consensus resulted. I'm curious now to know what it costs to replace a front element in addition to the near-inevitable barrel / filter ring repairs. I know this would vary a lot with the exact lens. > I have had other accidents where I banged up the filter, but the the lens > itself was not damaged. I've had a few little accidents too but only three (I think) with damage, two of which were just broken hoods. The only thing worse than breaking your own gear is breaking someone else's. I dropped a Pentax 67 400mm lens (the old outer-bayonet model) in the shop once. A heart stopping moment but it landed in a box of soft camera cases. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
> > Interesting, I'd be interested to hear more details. I've heard the > > stories of Pentax lenses being used as ash trays without the > > slightest damage so I figured you'd have to try pretty hard to > > scratch one. this is just a marketing demo. Rubbing a flimsy bit of paper and some shredded leaves against a lens is not really much of a test of scratchproofness. Even if it's on fire and therefore quite hot it's still no big deal - glass is made at much higher temperatures than that. I'd be more impressed if they fired a blunderbuss full of grit at it and it didn't scratch. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
Hey Friends, no harm in asking her - with an enticing smile of course. Folks I have done it a number of times and have always got a positive reply. Don't be afraid just because he is a Pro - I am sure he become a Pro on the kindness of some one who gave him a break - no is born a Pro. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
A good filter does protect - one cannot deny this. I use the very best - SMC Pentax - bought by the dozen from a shop closing down in Dubai - various types - UV, Skylight, morning & evening, cloudy, close ups etc, some twenty years ago. Since I keep them in air tight British Munition boxes they are perfectly preserved. Here is how I use them:- a) I toss one out when I see scratches or swirl marks or coating deterioration b) I always ensure I have a collapsible rubber hood on my lenses. c) For that occasional $ 1000 shot I remove the filter d) For holiday photos I always use a skylight or UV filter One need s to use filters smartly guys! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Clear Packing Tape on LCD
Thanks Bipin for making just about exactly the post that I was going to. On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > A good filter does protect - one cannot deny this. I use the very best > - SMC Pentax - bought by the dozen from a shop closing down in Dubai - > various types - UV, Skylight, morning & evening, cloudy, close ups > etc, some twenty years ago. Since I keep them in air tight British > Munition boxes they are perfectly preserved. Here is how I use them:- > a) I toss one out when I see scratches or swirl marks or coating deterioration > b) I always ensure I have a collapsible rubber hood on my lenses. > c) For that occasional $ 1000 shot I remove the filter > d) For holiday photos I always use a skylight or UV filter > One need s to use filters smartly guys! You can't^H^H^H^H^H shouldn't criticize a hammer for being a poor screwdriver. Yes, UV filters will degrade image quality, but only rarely will they do so in a way that matters, or is noticeable, in those cases, it's trivial to remove them. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
