OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors
Hi All: A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors (they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?) that are based on Samsung's panels. One can find them on e-bay, and 27 ones start from ~$280 or so. I've heard of people who are very happy with them. Most of those monitors are branded (made by?) X-star or Qnix. There are some variations in the models (and prices). Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of forum/review where differenet models of these monitors are compared? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors
on 2013-08-20 15:09 Igor Roshchin wrote A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors (they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?) that are based on Samsung's panels. [...] Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of forum/review where differenet models of these monitors are compared? i do not know about PLS, but i was curious too and found a good analysis not too long ago; here are some quick finds that may have the same info, a bit dated though: http://techreport.com/review/23291/those-27-inch-ips-displays-from-korea-are-for-real http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/the-ips-lcd-revolution.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display i was curious about the units from Monoprice, but i learned that some eBay vendors (including Qnix) use the same panels; they are apparently IPS panels which are not top-grade, so in essence seconds from the runs of panels made for Apple and other quality display vendors; they may have color or illumination irregularities, and the dead-pixel guarantees (and overall warranty terms) vary; they also tend to be in cheap enclosures and have limited controls and input options (you may need an expensive dual-link DVI adapter) all-in-all you may get a great one, or not; i'd hate to have to send one back to Korea under warranty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors
When my monitor for this computer died a week ago, I ended up buying an AOC E2752Vh 27 LED monitor - about $250 + tax. It's Active Matrix TFT instead of IPS/PLS. But it's a really bright, solid monitor. I've got to make time to run calibration on it. As usual with the way my life goes, *this week* it's on sale for $199. I'm still looking for some place to repair my old monitor. Since I'm pretty certain the problem is the inverter circuit, I'm pretty sure it *CAN* be repaired. If so, I'll keep it around as a spare. If not, I'll keep it around until I figure out how to fix it myself. On 8/20/2013 5:42 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2013-08-20 15:09 Igor Roshchin wrote A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors (they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?) that are based on Samsung's panels. [...] Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of forum/review where differenet models of these monitors are compared? i do not know about PLS, but i was curious too and found a good analysis not too long ago; here are some quick finds that may have the same info, a bit dated though: http://techreport.com/review/23291/those-27-inch-ips-displays-from-korea-are-for-real http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/the-ips-lcd-revolution.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display i was curious about the units from Monoprice, but i learned that some eBay vendors (including Qnix) use the same panels; they are apparently IPS panels which are not top-grade, so in essence seconds from the runs of panels made for Apple and other quality display vendors; they may have color or illumination irregularities, and the dead-pixel guarantees (and overall warranty terms) vary; they also tend to be in cheap enclosures and have limited controls and input options (you may need an expensive dual-link DVI adapter) all-in-all you may get a great one, or not; i'd hate to have to send one back to Korea under warranty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
IPS LCD Monitors
Howdy, folks, If any of you are in the market for LCD monitors to use in editing photos, it looks like HP has added a number of models with S-IPS panels, some at very reasonable prices. In particular, the ZR22w model is 21.5 diagonal with 1920 x 1080 resolution. It's MSRP is about US$270, but it's on sale at pcmall.com (and probably macmall.com) for US$ 200 right now. They also have the ZR24w (24, 1920 x 1200) that appears to replace the LP2475w that I have, at a better price. MRSP of about US$500, on sale now at pcmall.com for US$ 350. They also have the ZR30w (30, 2560 x 1600) for about US$ 1250. I haven't used any of these new models but I've been /very/ pleased with the LP2475w for the last couple of years. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LCD monitors?
GD Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here. GD ;-) Funny. You believe word from Apple that the displays they have made for them are the best? That's not very objective... I agree that the latest high-end LCDs are great, though who has the money for them. Midrange LCDs, not. I would take Eizo over apple anytime, thanks. They are actually producing their stuff. And they include calibration software and hardware with it. And it's the choice in design and graphics. Along with Barco, Sony Artisans and similar. And Eizo have just made an LCD with full AdobeRGB gamut (a CRT with AdobeRGB was by somebody else earlier, so CRTs were more advanced). Though at the price, I will pass... Good light! fra
Re: LCD monitors?
You can use the Apple Cinema Display on any PC with the correct video card. On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those produced by Apple are at least to those standards. Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here. ;-) Godfrey = Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe
Re: LCD monitors?
DP-2070SB. it shows up refurbished sometimes on PC Connection for around $900. you probably won't find it except mail-order. to get compable quality from a LCD at the same size, you will need to pay 2-3 times more. Herb... - Original Message - From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: RE: LCD monitors? Which one? I tried looking for a 19 Mitsubishi CRT today and all I could find was NEC ones that got awful ratings from users.
Re: LCD monitors?
apple 23 is the same as sony 23. and both are platform (mac/pc) agnostic. best, mishka Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe
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--- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. Only the new ones - the previous models used ADC connectors. Just in case everyone was rushing off to eBay :) Older models required an interface adapter and power supply, that's all. Godfrey __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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Ah. I've been looking at that Sony. Mishka mused: apple 23 is the same as sony 23. and both are platform (mac/pc) agnostic. best, mishka Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe
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Marnie, I took one of Geo's first weeklong classroom digital workshops back in early 02, and was impressed with the completeness and professional level of the class. He has since expanded and now offers a variety of digital classroom workshops. I especially appreciated the hands on aspect that allowed me to try the equipment he was using from the Nikon Cool Scan, several of the top line Epson printers and the Optical Spyder. Got to print anything we wanted on any of his printer using any of the Epson papers available His session are not cheap but I feel well worth the money. Geo is really in the forefront of digital outdoor photography. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said LCDs have finally evolved to the point that they are quite good for photography. The newest ones. I was a bit surprised. George Lepp writes for Outdoor Photographer, and what I didn't know, is that he also has a school in California that teaches Photoshop, printing, and other digitally related things. He's quite up with digital (as anyone who reads his column knows). But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration vs. profiles if nothing else.) Marnie aka Doe PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
RE: LCD monitors?
One thing to watch out for is that there do exist (new) LCD monitors that don't actually display 24 bits per colour, but rather 16.. obviously, that would be *bad* for editing photos. I think that a number of these are fast displays (~16ms refresh) better suited to gaming and movie watching than to doing photo work. You'll definitely find better deals on good quality CRTs than on good quality LCDs. LaCie is one of the most famous companies for quality displays, but Apple's displays make me drool. I don't think you can go wrong with those, otherwise, be very careful about your purchase. luck. -Original Message- From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:43 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: LCD monitors? It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
Re: LCD monitors?
Hi, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 12:42:35 AM, Amita wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. I have a Dell Precision M50 laptop, which was pitched at the professional CAD market. It has a 15, 1600x1200 resolution, 64Mb Quadro 4 500 GoGL something. I don't know what it means, but it's very good and perfectly suitable for my purposes. It's not a separate screen, but there are sure to be better ones available separately nowadays - this is about 3 years old. Undoubtedly you could get a CRT which is better suited to photography, but the top end professional monitors are really expensive, and large, and that level of investment really means you need properly equipped, standardised viewing conditions otherwise you're wasting a lot of your money. Bear in mind that you can't actually calibrate an LCD. That is, you can't really change the screen settings to match a standard. Instead you have to profile it, which means you record the settings it has and your software maps your photos onto the screen's profile. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: LCD monitors?
Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to have been singing the praises of that giant screen. Paul On Mar 5, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do I. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. marts 2005 01:43 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: LCD monitors? It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
Re: LCD monitors?
On 6 Mar 2005 at 9:50, Bob W wrote: Bear in mind that you can't actually calibrate an LCD. That is, you can't really change the screen settings to match a standard. Instead you have to profile it, which means you record the settings it has and your software maps your photos onto the screen's profile. Regardless of the profiling the gamma varies from the top to the bottom of the screen on any current LCD/TFT, my 19 (Mitsubishi) and 15 (Dell) TFT are both fine in the middle but dodgy at the top and bottom. My 22 CRT however is great across the whole screen. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitors?
On 6 Mar 2005 at 7:08, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to have been singing the praises of that giant screen. So what is their technical departments criterion for monitor selection, reduction in heat load, savings in desk space, ease of system integration or image quality? There is nothing to indicate in your example that the monitors have been selected simply due to advantages in image quality. I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I chose CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range were my primary criterion. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitors?
I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17'' CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I hope that technology evolves so that my next one can be a LCD with good color fidelity... Regards, Jaume --- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: LCD monitors?
I agree that the best CRT monitors can still deliver better image quality than the best TFT monitors, but it comes at a price. I was merely responding to a message claiming that all photography professionals use CRT monitors. It just isn't the case. I think one factor that has driven many photographers to the Apple Cinema Display in particular is ease of system integration. It's basically plug and play on a Macintosh. And the image quality is quite adequate for all conversion and retouching tasks. Paul On Mar 6, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 6 Mar 2005 at 7:08, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to have been singing the praises of that giant screen. So what is their technical departments criterion for monitor selection, reduction in heat load, savings in desk space, ease of system integration or image quality? There is nothing to indicate in your example that the monitors have been selected simply due to advantages in image quality. I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I chose CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range were my primary criterion. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitors?
In a message dated 3/6/2005 4:11:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regardless of the profiling the gamma varies from the top to the bottom of the screen on any current LCD/TFT, my 19 (Mitsubishi) and 15 (Dell) TFT are both fine in the middle but dodgy at the top and bottom. My 22 CRT however is great across the whole screen. Rob Studdert = I must be one of the few that doesn't like LCDs. Admittedly, I haven't seen a great one, and the main one I see is the one on my laptop. But to me they lack depth. And I don't like they way they are off color or have a shine or whatever you want to call it, if they are tipped a certain way. So I can't see how they could be color consistent across the screen. Since you can't calibrate an LCD, it seems to me if you buy a screen specifically for doing photography work, right now, it should be a CRT. IMHO. Not that I know THAT much about it. But not all *new* technology is great just because it is new. Or not technology is suited to all purposes. Marnie aka Doe Being ignorant has never stopped me from having an opinion. :-)
Re: LCD monitors?
- Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17'' CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I hope that technology evolves so that my next one can be a LCD with good color fidelity... And dot pitch. My CRT is a .20 dot pitch, my LCT is something like .28 I don't think it is a matter of the technology evolving, so much as coming down to a price the common man can afford for something usable. I paid almost a thousand dollars for my 17 LCD, compared to about 400 for my 17 CRT. William Robb
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The La Cie 22-inch CRT has a dot pitch of .24, ditto the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro and the $5000 Mitsubishi Diamondtron. The LCD Apple Cinema Display is .258. Not a significant difference. On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:57 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17'' CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I hope that technology evolves so that my next one can be a LCD with good color fidelity... And dot pitch. My CRT is a .20 dot pitch, my LCT is something like .28 I don't think it is a matter of the technology evolving, so much as coming down to a price the common man can afford for something usable. I paid almost a thousand dollars for my 17 LCD, compared to about 400 for my 17 CRT. William Robb
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No longer the case, Jens. Godfrey --- Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do I. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: LCD monitors?
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: LCD monitors? The La Cie 22-inch CRT has a dot pitch of .24, ditto the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro and the $5000 Mitsubishi Diamondtron. The LCD Apple Cinema Display is .258. Not a significant difference. Reread the part about the price evolving into something that can be afforded by the common man. William Robb
Re: LCD monitors?
it's not a coincidence that you and i ended up with the same monitor. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I chose CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range were my primary criterion.
Re: LCD monitors?
In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:51:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No longer the case, Jens. Godfrey --- Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do I. == Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said LCDs have finally evolved to the point that they are quite good for photography. The newest ones. I was a bit surprised. George Lepp writes for Outdoor Photographer, and what I didn't know, is that he also has a school in California that teaches Photoshop, printing, and other digitally related things. He's quite up with digital (as anyone who reads his column knows). But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration vs. profiles if nothing else.) Marnie aka Doe
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said LCDs have finally evolved to the point that they are quite good for photography. ... But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration vs. profiles if nothing else.) The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those produced by Apple are at least to those standards. Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here. ;-) Godfrey __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
RE: LCD monitors?
Which one? I tried looking for a 19 Mitsubishi CRT today and all I could find was NEC ones that got awful ratings from users. -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: LCD monitors? it's not a coincidence that you and i ended up with the same monitor. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I chose CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range were my primary criterion.
Re: LCD monitors?
In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those produced by Apple are at least to those standards. Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here. ;-) Godfrey = Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe
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The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. The panels they use are also in several of the better LCDs sold under other names too (LG, Siemens, and Sharp make them). Godfrey --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those produced by Apple are at least to those standards. Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here. ;-) Godfrey = Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:05:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. The panels they use are also in several of the better LCDs sold under other names too (LG, Siemens, and Sharp make them). Godfrey === Okay, I stand corrected. I am TOTALLY ignorant. (I still like the sense of depth on a CRT. Call me weird as well as ignorant.) Marnie aka Doe ;-)
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On 7/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Okay, I stand corrected. I am TOTALLY ignorant. Surely not? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Mar 7, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. Only the new ones - the previous models used ADC connectors. Just in case everyone was rushing off to eBay :) I have my eye on the 23 HD model. Figuratively, that is... my eyes are currently looking at a couple of CRTs. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
LCD monitors?
It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
Re: LCD monitors?
- Original Message - From: Amita Guha Subject: LCD monitors? It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. FWIW, my CRT monitor is better than my LCD for image editing. My CRT is a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF, my LCD is a Samsung Syncmaster 192n, both decent monitors, hooked up to an Invidia GeForce FX 5700 video card. William Robb
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I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old 19 Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any scientific comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color fidelity is just fine, and contrast is quite good. The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell (hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or individual, lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost. Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as FP2001. Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card ($140 or so) Best, Mishka On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
Re: LCD monitors?
The Apple Cinema Displays are superb for editing photos. The very best CRTs are probably a bit better, but the top LCDs are very good as well. Paul - Original Message - From: Amita Guha Subject: LCD monitors? It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. FWIW, my CRT monitor is better than my LCD for image editing. My CRT is a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF, my LCD is a Samsung Syncmaster 192n, both decent monitors, hooked up to an Invidia GeForce FX 5700 video card. William Robb
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You can get even cheaper pricing from Dell if you are a student. They have the istDS for 899.95 before discount and I must say it tempts me. It's the one that is packaged with the zoom lens. Is that a good price or would I get it even cheaper from someone like BH? -Original Message- From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old 19 Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any scientific comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color fidelity is just fine, and contrast is quite good. The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell (hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or individual, lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost. Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as FP2001. Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card ($140 or so) Best, Mishka On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
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I have a Sony SDM-S73 (around $290 from newegg, last i checked) and I'm quite happy with it overall... haven't really done any real comparisons to see how it is, but I don't miss my old CRT a bit. --- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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Dealing with Dell can be problematic. The are great at taking orders and delivering product, God help you if you have a problem that's not in their handbook. Not for less but BH Photo has the *ist-Ds for the same price. *http://tinyurl.com/4rzh9 So does Adorama. [www.adorama.com]. Dell doesn't seem to be giving you much of a discount. * Isaac wrote: You can get even cheaper pricing from Dell if you are a student. They have the istDS for 899.95 before discount and I must say it tempts me. It's the one that is packaged with the zoom lens. Is that a good price or would I get it even cheaper from someone like BH? -Original Message- From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old 19 Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any scientific comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color fidelity is just fine, and contrast is quite good. The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell (hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or individual, lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost. Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as FP2001. Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card ($140 or so) Best, Mishka On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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I did consider their 30 beast. for a very short time though. But if anyone cares, it does work on PC and Matrox top of the line card (~$650) can drive it just fine. best, mishka On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 01:46:01 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Cinema Displays are superb for editing photos. The very best CRTs are probably a bit better, but the top LCDs are very good as well. Paul
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LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do I. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. marts 2005 01:43 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: LCD monitors? It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita
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- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: LCD monitors? LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do I. Thats what I decided about my LCD as well (too contrasty, that the pros that I know eschew them is secondary). William Robb.
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Well, I have an advantage in that I have a friend that works in tech support so I can get most things fixed or replaced without an issue. When I actually bother to log in I see that I only save $8 off of that price. Man that bums me out. Usually it's much larger. The only saving grace is I qualify for 12 months no interest. Still if I decide to get it I will have to search for a coupon code first. That discount is just insulting after all the money I've spent with them. -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:46 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: LCD monitors? Dealing with Dell can be problematic. The are great at taking orders and delivering product, God help you if you have a problem that's not in their handbook. Not for less but BH Photo has the *ist-Ds for the same price. *http://tinyurl.com/4rzh9 So does Adorama. [www.adorama.com]. Dell doesn't seem to be giving you much of a discount. * Isaac wrote: You can get even cheaper pricing from Dell if you are a student. They have the istDS for 899.95 before discount and I must say it tempts me. It's the one that is packaged with the zoom lens. Is that a good price or would I get it even cheaper from someone like BH? -Original Message- From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: LCD monitors? I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old 19 Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any scientific comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color fidelity is just fine, and contrast is quite good. The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell (hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or individual, lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost. Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as FP2001. Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card ($140 or so) Best, Mishka On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other such concerns. Thanks in advance, Amita -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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I'm thinking that if I looked at a brightness scale before each time I did work that I could get myself positioned properly. I am curious if any of the spyders work on LCD's? I'm not sure I understand the difference between the photo and the actual color target. Is it something they supply or something you are supposed to buy? Are there other recommendations? Thanks, Bruce . A few months ago I took a 2 day workshop in Photoshop and digital printing from www.westcoastimaging.com. I ended up buying a spider from them and buying the monitor they use on all the classroom macs. They said it is the best they have ever used including expensive special graphic arts monitors. The monitor is a NEC Multisynch FE700+ 17 inch crt monitor for $179 at Circuit City! They did not recomment flat panel and LCD monitors for serious PS work. Using the Color Pro spider I got my new monitor to ICC standards in fifteen minutes. I re-calibrated it after 100 days and found it had drifted less than 1 %. I quit printing my own prints for sale. Now I use www.pictopia.com for laser lightjet Fuji Crystal Archive RA-4 prints from 67 meg scans. Using the monitor, spider, and Pictopia profiles I get exactly what was on the monitor in an inexpensive archival matt or glossy print. I usually run PS6 on a PII Win98 machine but sometimes work on my Ibook Mac OS9.21. The NEC monitor runs on either computer with a brief spider re-calibration. I haven't uploaded any black and white images to Pictopia yet, but I hear they turn out fine. What a relief to be out of the printer/inks/paper/profiles/peizo/pigment/dye endless testing and experiment treadmill! When I compare Pictopia prints with chemical/optical prints I made last year on Fuji Crystal Archive the laser prints always win not even counting the ability to improve the image with PS. Bill Lawlor
