OT: The Hazards of being a stock photography model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://digg.com/internet-culture/link/abigail-johnson-stock-photography-model-guardian-PSQRt1fjZk
?

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Re: Bong's Model Phantom -- Better Link

[Bulent Celasun]

Thanks for providing this link, the FB one does not work for me.

It does show some good craftsmanship for sure.

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Daniel J. Matyola , 28 Mar 2019 Per, 18:59
tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
> I copied Bong's original FaceBook post about the model onto my Squarespace:
>
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2019/3/28/bongs-phantom
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Re: Bong's Model Phantom -- Better Link

[Alan C]

Very nice. All you need to do now is Photoshop one of you old film 
images alongside!


Alan C

On 28-Mar-19 05:58 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I copied Bong's original FaceBook post about the model onto my Squarespace:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2019/3/28/bongs-phantom


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Bong's Model Phantom -- Better Link

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I copied Bong's original FaceBook post about the model onto my Squarespace:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2019/3/28/bongs-phantom


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PESO: free model

[Henk Terhell]

While taking some pics of flowers in a dune valley, this vagrant darter 
(I think) landed on my pants begging me to take some pics.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/43500280805

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A new old Pentax model

[collinb]

It's the Ed.
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/50251631
look at the 2nd pic. :0
Happy pi day!

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A new old Pentax model

[collinb]

It's the Ed.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/50251631

look at the 2nd pic. :0

Happy pi day!

 

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OT: Enhancing the figure model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Bruce's models are always in top form, but for those photographers who have
to deal with less perfect subjects, here is one (humorous) solution:

http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/dyson.html

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Re: GESO Model A

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Ken. I arrived 1/2 hour before they did and scouted out some
angles, luckily the butter tart traffic was still light then


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> Nice captures Dave. I like, that for the most part you captured the cars in
> a timeless fashion, not showing any trace of current time.
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> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" <pentko...@gmail.com>
> Subject: GESO Model A
>
>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-modela/album/index.html
>>
>> A small (30) gallery from Saturday
>>
>> Colour shots K-5 and Sigma 17-70
>>
>> B shots Fuji X30
>>
>> Dave
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Re: GESO Model A

[Ken Waller]

Nice captures Dave. I like, that for the most part you captured the cars in 
a timeless fashion, not showing any trace of current time.


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Subject: GESO Model A



http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-modela/album/index.html

A small (30) gallery from Saturday

Colour shots K-5 and Sigma 17-70

B shots Fuji X30

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Re: GESO Model A

[David J Brooks]

thanks Bob. The village of Little Britain is only a few 100 people so
its relatively quiet.

Dave

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> That's a really nice gallery. Beautiful cars in a lovely setting.
>
> B
>
>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 13:47, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-modela/album/index.html
>>
>> A small (30) gallery from Saturday
>>
>> Colour shots K-5 and Sigma 17-70
>>
>> B shots Fuji X30
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Re: GESO Model A

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That's a really nice gallery. Beautiful cars in a lovely setting.

B

> On 17 Jul 2016, at 13:47, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-modela/album/index.html
> 
> A small (30) gallery from Saturday
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> Colour shots K-5 and Sigma 17-70
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> B shots Fuji X30
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Re: VESO Model A

[Christine Aguila]

Fun!  The car belch at the halfway point was particularly effective.  :-)

Cheers, Christine


> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:55 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> A short film from yesteryear:
> 
> https://youtu.be/BL0I4-T7dps
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GESO Model A

[David J Brooks]

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-modela/album/index.html

A small (30) gallery from Saturday

Colour shots K-5 and Sigma 17-70

B shots Fuji X30

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Re: VESO Model A

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Yep. Feels like period film. Well done.

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> On Jul 16, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Excellent!
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 18:56, David J Brooks  wrote:
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>> A short film from yesteryear:
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>> https://youtu.be/BL0I4-T7dps
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Re: VESO Model A

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Excellent!

> On 16 Jul 2016, at 18:56, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> A short film from yesteryear:
> 
> https://youtu.be/BL0I4-T7dps
> 
> Dave
> 
> 

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VESO Model A

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A short film from yesteryear:

https://youtu.be/BL0I4-T7dps

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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

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On 2/3/2016 10:26 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 2/3/2016 7:25 AM, John wrote:

On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
up to the windows all around it.)
:)

Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
(in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
afraid that I don't know the exact year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/

I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
journey of some 150 miles - one way.



I think it was the Model T that Henry Ford said "You can have any color
you want as long as it's B"


For technical reasons, the Black paint dried faster and made those cars
marginally less expensive to make, or so I've heard.  I pass this on
because, it's exactly what I expect from Henry Ford.



Sigh! Not black ... *B*.

For all his faults as a businessman & as a human being, Henry Ford was
smart enough to recognize that a capitalist system taking advantage of
the economies of scale from mass production doesn't work unless
sufficient numbers of workers earn enough to buy the products.



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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice car, and a fine image!

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On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Darren Addy <pixelsmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
> use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
> impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
> snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
> nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
> deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
> feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
> whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
> up to the windows all around it.)
> :)
>
> Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
> vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
> year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
> (in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
> that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
> afraid that I don't know the exact year.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/
>
> I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
> beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
> old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
> DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
> journey of some 150 miles - one way.
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PESO: Model A Woody

[Darren Addy]

We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
up to the windows all around it.)
:)

Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
(in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
afraid that I don't know the exact year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/

I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
journey of some 150 miles - one way.

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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

[John]

On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
up to the windows all around it.)
:)

Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
(in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
afraid that I don't know the exact year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/

I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
journey of some 150 miles - one way.



I think it was the Model T that Henry Ford said "You can have any color
you want as long as it's B"

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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

[Rick Womer]

Wow, that is a beautiful car; and a very nicely done photo.

The snow is almost completely gone here already, and the last bits
will get washed away by the inch of rain and 60F/16C temperatures
forecast for this afternoon.

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On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:25 AM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
>> use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
>> impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
>> snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
>> nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
>> deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
>> feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
>> whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
>> up to the windows all around it.)
>> :)
>>
>> Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
>> vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
>> year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
>> (in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
>> that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
>> afraid that I don't know the exact year.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/
>>
>> I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
>> beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
>> old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
>> DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
>> journey of some 150 miles - one way.
>>
>
> I think it was the Model T that Henry Ford said "You can have any color
> you want as long as it's B"
>
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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

[P.J. Alling]

On 2/3/2016 7:25 AM, John wrote:

On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
up to the windows all around it.)
:)

Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
(in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
afraid that I don't know the exact year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/

I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
journey of some 150 miles - one way.



I think it was the Model T that Henry Ford said "You can have any color
you want as long as it's B"

For technical reasons, the Black paint dried faster and made those cars 
marginally less expensive to make, or so I've heard.  I pass this on 
because, it's exactly what I expect from Henry Ford.


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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[P.J. Alling]

At least he didn't electrocute himself, while taking out an electrical 
substation sending a large area back to the 19th century for a visit, 
while playing, as regularly used to happen.  He just had a good time.


On 7/21/2015 10:40 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

naughty beastie!

ann

On 7/16/2015 10:21 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

When squirrels go bad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[ann sanfedele]

naughty beastie!

ann

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When squirrels go bad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[John]

Hawks are fine, but coyotes ... seems like the cure is worse than the 
disease.


On 7/16/2015 7:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Coyotes and Hawks have solved the problem here. Rabbits, chipmunks
and squirrels have ceased to be the problem they were ten years ago.

Paul via phone


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On 16/07/2015 8:21 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: When squirrels go
bad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

B

A friend of mine has had his cable and telephone lines chewed
through probably half a dozen times by squirrels, and he has lost
his power a couple of times. In the latter cases the squirrels
didn't survive. Our city passed a cats at large bylaw a number of
years ago and now we are over run with squirrels.

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[Igor PDML-StR]

I wonder if the model got compensated in golden nuts. :-)

Igor


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When squirrels go bad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

LOL!

Squirrels can be quite destructive.  Besides, they drive my dog crazy.

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

We have fewer squirrels around our place than 1- years ago, when there
were at their peak.  Part of the solution was the Fox Family that
moved into the neighborhood.

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 Coyotes and Hawks have solved the problem here. Rabbits, chipmunks and 
 squirrels have ceased to be the problem they were ten years ago.

 Paul via phone

 On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 16/07/2015 8:21 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 When squirrels go bad...

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

 B
 A friend of mine has had his cable and telephone lines chewed through 
 probably half a dozen times by squirrels, and he has lost his power a couple 
 of times. In the latter cases the squirrels didn't survive.
 Our city passed a cats at large bylaw a number of years ago and now we are 
 over run with squirrels.

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[Knarf]

Caffrey's, eh? I'm not impressed...

Cheers,

frank

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Re: OT: picture posed by model

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On 16/07/2015 8:21 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

When squirrels go bad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502

B



A friend of mine has had his cable and telephone lines chewed through 
probably half a dozen times by squirrels, and he has lost his power a 
couple of times. In the latter cases the squirrels didn't survive.
Our city passed a cats at large bylaw a number of years ago and now we 
are over run with squirrels.


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Re: OT: picture posed by model

[Paul Stenquist]

Coyotes and Hawks have solved the problem here. Rabbits, chipmunks and 
squirrels have ceased to be the problem they were ten years ago.

Paul via phone

 On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 16/07/2015 8:21 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 When squirrels go bad...
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502
 
 B
 A friend of mine has had his cable and telephone lines chewed through 
 probably half a dozen times by squirrels, and he has lost his power a couple 
 of times. In the latter cases the squirrels didn't survive.
 Our city passed a cats at large bylaw a number of years ago and now we are 
 over run with squirrels.
 
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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Darren Addy]

Good point Matthew. True.

Thanks for the kind words Rick. It's funny because that shot was the
last of a series in the same general location and almost an
afterthought. I didn't think it would really be worth it because the
sun was against me, throwing most of the tractor (from this
perspective) into shadow. I love BW and it really worked for me when
I took it out of color and started playing with the rendering options.
Color: not so much.

I also have to say that, after really enjoying my K-5 II, I have to
say that the K-3 is an amazing beast of a camera. The 50% increase in
pixels is not insignificant.

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that the majority of people rarely turn their
 cameras to a vertical orientation, horizontal is the default and
 probably widely outnumbers verticals in images produced

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Darren Addy]

I've recently been experimenting with posting in Google+ communities.
One thing that I have noticed is that, in default viewing mode,
vertical compositions are shown larger (short dimension sized to fit
the column) and horizontal compositions are shown smaller (to fit the
long dimension within the column). This is the opposite of how it
works with Flickr's layouts (where vertical compositions are shown
smaller). I believe that the majority of people rarely turn their
cameras to a vertical orientation, horizontal is the default and
probably widely outnumbers verticals in images produced, so Flickr's
approach probably makes more sense. But as one who tries to think
vertical when appropriate, it is probably smart to share more
verticals on Google+.

I received a notification this morning that this image (John Deere
Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie) was chosen by a moderator of the
(very large) Black  White Photography community to their Top
Community Picks, which is a first for me.

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for those who looked/commented. I appreciate Ken's thoughts on
 the trees on the left as well.
 I really don't think the trees at the left add or subtract,
 personally. I suppose the reason they are left in is that to crop them
 out and still keep the 3:2 aspect ratio would have meant either
 cutting off the bottom part of the big tractor wheel or losing some
 sky and I wanted to do neither.
 :)

 The church in the right was leaning horribly, due to the 10mm focal
 length, but the Free Transform tool in Photoshop is a wonderful thing
 that I have only started to learn how to use correctly.

 On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 I complimented this image in a reply from someone, but don't recall who's.
 Let me add that I very much like your total background including all trees.
 I feel that those near the left frame edge stop the eye and turn them back 
 into
 the image. Feels right!

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Rick Womer]

Excellent pic, Darren; I've been looking at it for about 10 minutes and keep 
finding interesting details (such as the way the wind has blown the trees near 
the church). It certainly merits Flickr's kudo!

Cheers,

Rick

On May 30, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 I've recently been experimenting with posting in Google+ communities.
 One thing that I have noticed is that, in default viewing mode,
 vertical compositions are shown larger (short dimension sized to fit
 the column) and horizontal compositions are shown smaller (to fit the
 long dimension within the column). This is the opposite of how it
 works with Flickr's layouts (where vertical compositions are shown
 smaller). I believe that the majority of people rarely turn their
 cameras to a vertical orientation, horizontal is the default and
 probably widely outnumbers verticals in images produced, so Flickr's
 approach probably makes more sense. But as one who tries to think
 vertical when appropriate, it is probably smart to share more
 verticals on Google+.
 
 I received a notification this morning that this image (John Deere
 Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie) was chosen by a moderator of the
 (very large) Black  White Photography community to their Top
 Community Picks, which is a first for me.
 
 On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for those who looked/commented. I appreciate Ken's thoughts on
 the trees on the left as well.
 I really don't think the trees at the left add or subtract,
 personally. I suppose the reason they are left in is that to crop them
 out and still keep the 3:2 aspect ratio would have meant either
 cutting off the bottom part of the big tractor wheel or losing some
 sky and I wanted to do neither.
 :)
 
 The church in the right was leaning horribly, due to the 10mm focal
 length, but the Free Transform tool in Photoshop is a wonderful thing
 that I have only started to learn how to use correctly.
 
 On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 I complimented this image in a reply from someone, but don't recall who's.
 Let me add that I very much like your total background including all trees.
 I feel that those near the left frame edge stop the eye and turn them back 
 into
 the image. Feels right!
 
 Jack
 
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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

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On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

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PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Paul]

Very nice.  With the b/w rendering it may have been taken 75 years ago. 
 When I was a kid many farmers were still using these old tractors and 
paved, rural roads had signage stating Tractors with lugs prohibited.


-p

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Mark C]

A great slice of Americana there - nice shot.

Mark

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Chris Mitchell]

Really nice Darren. Super rendering and the sky and the buildings on
the horizon work very well.

Chris

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Re: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Ken Waller]

Very nice capture Darren, the subject (tractor, church  line of the road 
and horizon) and composition are wondeful, but the inclusion of the group of 
trees on the LH edge, set limits on the image and stops my eye from 
continuing off to the horizon  serves no good purpose IMO. The directional 
line of the road, horizon and the general heading of the tractor are in 
agreement as if the tractor is heading off into the sunset or that great 
barn in the sky.


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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Jack Davis]

I complimented this image in a reply from someone, but don't recall who's.
Let me add that I very much like your total background including all trees.
I feel that those near the left frame edge stop the eye and turn them back into
the image. Feels right!

Jack

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Jack Davis]

WOW! Really well done with what appears to be a terrific lens.
BW conversion, very nice.

J

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Really nice Darren. Super rendering and the sky and the buildings on
the horizon work very well.

Chris

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Re: PESO: John Deere Model D Steel Wheel on the Prairie

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for those who looked/commented. I appreciate Ken's thoughts on
the trees on the left as well.
I really don't think the trees at the left add or subtract,
personally. I suppose the reason they are left in is that to crop them
out and still keep the 3:2 aspect ratio would have meant either
cutting off the bottom part of the big tractor wheel or losing some
sky and I wanted to do neither.
:)

The church in the right was leaning horribly, due to the 10mm focal
length, but the Free Transform tool in Photoshop is a wonderful thing
that I have only started to learn how to use correctly.

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 I complimented this image in a reply from someone, but don't recall who's.
 Let me add that I very much like your total background including all trees.
 I feel that those near the left frame edge stop the eye and turn them back 
 into
 the image. Feels right!

 Jack

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[John]

I think it's some kind of SCAM aimed at ripping off eBay *before* they
rip off prospective buyers.

On 3/24/2015 10:06 PM, Mark C wrote:

For years my standard approach to ebay was to search for pentax lens
and sort from highest to lowest price so that the unobtainable stuff
showed up first. I tused to work but for the last several years there
are items that are simply ridiculously overpriced showing up at the top
of the list.

Today priced at  $6,132.75 USD we have a few FA 77 f1.8 limiteds, Sigma
18-250 f3.5-6.3, Sigma 50mm f2.8 EX DG macro and more... It is utterly
absurd and I can't figure out why it would be worth listing such
ridiculous prices - but it has been going on for a long time now.

On 3/21/2015 6:48 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but
at prices that seem to border on the absurd. They get good feedback
but who would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or
a Q with two lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for
$A2,847.53?

Bizarre.

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[Mark C]

For years my standard approach to ebay was to search for pentax lens 
and sort from highest to lowest price so that the unobtainable stuff 
showed up first. I tused to work but for the last several years there 
are items that are simply ridiculously overpriced showing up at the top 
of the list.


Today priced at  $6,132.75 USD we have a few FA 77 f1.8 limiteds, Sigma 
18-250 f3.5-6.3, Sigma 50mm f2.8 EX DG macro and more... It is utterly 
absurd and I can't figure out why it would be worth listing such 
ridiculous prices - but it has been going on for a long time now.


On 3/21/2015 6:48 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but 
at prices that seem to border on the absurd. They get good feedback 
but who would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or 
a Q with two lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for 
$A2,847.53?


Bizarre.

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[Tom Reese]

smells like fraud to me. My guess is that they're looking for people
to send them an email. They'll reply and offer a lower price if the
sale is conducted privately then never ship the item. I doubt that the
supposed seller even has the stuff.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:42 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2015-03-21 16:48 , Brian Walters wrote:

 I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but at
 prices that seem to border on the absurd.  They get good feedback but who
 would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or a Q with two
 lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for $A2,847.53?


 i wonder if they have actually sold any camera equipment? they list 2+
 million books  magazines, but under 20k camera equipment items; my guess is
 they just throw a lot of stuff in the air to see what sticks; a lot of their
 negative feedback is canceled order because not in stock

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[Darren Addy]

Most if not all of the sales and good feedback are probably to
sock-puppet accounts they set up themselves.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com wrote:
 smells like fraud to me. My guess is that they're looking for people
 to send them an email. They'll reply and offer a lower price if the
 sale is conducted privately then never ship the item. I doubt that the
 supposed seller even has the stuff.

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:42 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2015-03-21 16:48 , Brian Walters wrote:

 I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but at
 prices that seem to border on the absurd.  They get good feedback but who
 would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or a Q with two
 lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for $A2,847.53?


 i wonder if they have actually sold any camera equipment? they list 2+
 million books  magazines, but under 20k camera equipment items; my guess is
 they just throw a lot of stuff in the air to see what sticks; a lot of their
 negative feedback is canceled order because not in stock

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-21 16:48 , Brian Walters wrote:

I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but at
prices that seem to border on the absurd.  They get good feedback but who
would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or a Q with two
lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for $A2,847.53?


i wonder if they have actually sold any camera equipment? they list 2+ 
million books  magazines, but under 20k camera equipment items; my guess is 
they just throw a lot of stuff in the air to see what sticks; a lot of their 
negative feedback is canceled order because not in stock


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Interesting Business Model

[Brian Walters]

I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but  
at prices that seem to border on the absurd.  They get good feedback  
but who would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or  
a Q with two lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for  
$A2,847.53?


Bizarre.

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Re: Interesting Business Model

[P.J. Alling]

I know the Au Dollar has lost a bit of value against the US since it was 
at par a couple of years ago, but those prices seem to be between 1.5 to 
2 times too high.  Hell with the rebates shown at BH it would be less 
expensive to order them from New York.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=15492N=4288584250+4291284238


On 3/21/2015 6:48 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
I keep coming across this EBay seller who lists lots of new items, but 
at prices that seem to border on the absurd. They get good feedback 
but who would buy a K-7 with kit lens (for example) for $A2095.69? Or 
a Q with two lenses for $A1117.91?  Or a K-5II with 18-135 DA for 
$A2,847.53?


Bizarre.

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Model number of new FF DSLR Body

[J C OConnell]

It's anyone's guess what the model number will be ( I doubt it will be a 
K1) but once they
come out with a pro model with all the bells and whistles, DLX would 
be an obvious choice.

jco

On 2/5/2015 2:54 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

P.J. Alling wrote:


I think Leica already makes one of those, don't they.  Then there's the
cabal that want's a Fuji full frame, which is especially silly, since
the current Fuji system is designed around the APS-C format sensor and
is therefor already full frame...

Whatever they launch, someone will want a product they don't make. It is a
problem adding any camera to the market, as there are some excellent cameras
on sale now.

The 70-200mm f2.8 really catches my attention. I'd certainly like one of
them.

Any ideas what the new Pentax FF camera will be called? Given that their
first DSLR had a daft name, it's difficult to rule anything out. How about
the 'ist about FF time'.

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Re: Model number of new FF DSLR Body

[John]

That would work.

On 2/5/2015 3:46 PM, J C OConnell wrote:

It's anyone's guess what the model number will be ( I doubt it will be a
K1) but once they
come out with a pro model with all the bells and whistles, DLX would
be an obvious choice.
jco

On 2/5/2015 2:54 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

P.J. Alling wrote:


I think Leica already makes one of those, don't they.  Then there's the
cabal that want's a Fuji full frame, which is especially silly, since
the current Fuji system is designed around the APS-C format sensor and
is therefor already full frame...

Whatever they launch, someone will want a product they don't make. It
is a
problem adding any camera to the market, as there are some excellent
cameras
on sale now.

The 70-200mm f2.8 really catches my attention. I'd certainly like one of
them.

Any ideas what the new Pentax FF camera will be called? Given that their
first DSLR had a daft name, it's difficult to rule anything out. How
about
the 'ist about FF time'.

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Darren Addy]

The Tamron 54B arrived today (sans Pentax Adaptall) so I can take some
shots with it once I put that on. I'm afraid I don't own the 55-300mm
to do a comparison with that lens. I do plan on doing a comparison
with my Bigma (and maybe the vintage preset 300mm f6.3 Takumar, which
I also have).

It seems to me that the biggest benefit of the 54B is at the close
focusing end, but it might be fun to do comparison moon shots with it.
That's a torture test for a lens (and one's focusing abilities).


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Zos for the convincing reply. I mentioned the Pentax 55-300 as
 the DxO Mark web site had the following to say:-

 DA 55-300 vs DA* 300 f4

 How much real gain is there in upgrading to the star prime, over the
 consumer zoom?
 I would have assumed the improvement is large, but DxOMark says
 otherwise. According to their numbers, the 55-300 is optimized to
 favor the long end, so 300mm is actually the sharpest point in its
 focal length range, and at that point, it produces the same sharpness
 score as the 300/4!
 In a way, though, I'm not that surprised, because of how flawless the
 images I get from it at the long end.
 And the newer HD 55-300 is still better in performance. It is the
 sharpest at around f9.5 particularly at the corners.

 Maybe the newer HD WR version of the 55-300 is just as sharp as the
 old Tammy. Computer aided design, newer glass and coating technology
 may help.
 If only a kind Pentaxian can do a test.

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Jack Davis]

Hi, Bipin! PopPhoto did a subjective 
Test on both the DA 300 prime and DA55-300 soon after they came out.
The 55-300 absolutely blew away the prime. I wrote PP and ask if the were 
tested to the same standards. I was assured the were!
Jack

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Zos for the convincing reply. I mentioned the Pentax 55-300 as
 the DxO Mark web site had the following to say:-
 
 DA 55-300 vs DA* 300 f4
 
 How much real gain is there in upgrading to the star prime, over the
 consumer zoom?
 I would have assumed the improvement is large, but DxOMark says
 otherwise. According to their numbers, the 55-300 is optimized to
 favor the long end, so 300mm is actually the sharpest point in its
 focal length range, and at that point, it produces the same sharpness
 score as the 300/4!
 In a way, though, I'm not that surprised, because of how flawless the
 images I get from it at the long end.
 And the newer HD 55-300 is still better in performance. It is the
 sharpest at around f9.5 particularly at the corners.
 
 Maybe the newer HD WR version of the 55-300 is just as sharp as the
 old Tammy. Computer aided design, newer glass and coating technology
 may help.
 If only a kind Pentaxian can do a test.
 
 Regards. Bipin.
 
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Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Bipin Gupta]

Thanks Zos for the convincing reply. I mentioned the Pentax 55-300 as
the DxO Mark web site had the following to say:-

DA 55-300 vs DA* 300 f4

How much real gain is there in upgrading to the star prime, over the
consumer zoom?
I would have assumed the improvement is large, but DxOMark says
otherwise. According to their numbers, the 55-300 is optimized to
favor the long end, so 300mm is actually the sharpest point in its
focal length range, and at that point, it produces the same sharpness
score as the 300/4!
In a way, though, I'm not that surprised, because of how flawless the
images I get from it at the long end.
And the newer HD 55-300 is still better in performance. It is the
sharpest at around f9.5 particularly at the corners.

Maybe the newer HD WR version of the 55-300 is just as sharp as the
old Tammy. Computer aided design, newer glass and coating technology
may help.
If only a kind Pentaxian can do a test.

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Zos Xavius]

The 55-300 is good, but its not going to be fair to compare it to a
prime at 300mm. I would imagine it is going to get crushed in a
comparison. This is apparently one of the highest resolving MF 300mm
lenses out there.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some legacy lenses are truly amazing - well built, perhaps all metal,
 sharp etc. Just wondering how does this one compare to the Pentax DA
 HD 55-300 WR at the tele end in image quality.
 I do not wish to mention the DA * 300mm or the FA versions, as these
 are very expensive.
 The Pentax Web Store had the HD 55-300 WR for sale for just $ 259 shipped.
 For some of us auto focus and auto exposure is hard to give up unless
 the particular legacy lens is one of a kind and at a reasonable price
 point. Then the KA type adaptall II mounts are hard to come by 
 expensive.
 Regards. Bipin.
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Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Bipin Gupta]

Some legacy lenses are truly amazing - well built, perhaps all metal,
sharp etc. Just wondering how does this one compare to the Pentax DA
HD 55-300 WR at the tele end in image quality.
I do not wish to mention the DA * 300mm or the FA versions, as these
are very expensive.
The Pentax Web Store had the HD 55-300 WR for sale for just $ 259 shipped.
For some of us auto focus and auto exposure is hard to give up unless
the particular legacy lens is one of a kind and at a reasonable price
point. Then the KA type adaptall II mounts are hard to come by 
expensive.
Regards. Bipin.
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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[John]

You can make a really fat rubber band shim by cutting a section out of 
an old bicycle inner-tube


On 1/14/2015 5:49 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

That thread I linked to earlier said that it will be a little loose
but the gap can easily be made up with something like a couple of
rubber bands, or something similar, and then clamping over that (so it
will be unseen).

-D

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:



Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.




Thanks.  I've previously looked at some of those third party tripod collars
for Canon lenses but thought they were all too large in diameter for the
Tamron.  There's several available cheaply on EBay - I might just pick one
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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

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Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:



Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.




Thanks.  I've previously looked at some of those third party tripod  
collars for Canon lenses but thought they were all too large in  
diameter for the Tamron.  There's several available cheaply on EBay -  
I might just pick one up.



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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Darren Addy]

That thread I linked to earlier said that it will be a little loose
but the gap can easily be made up with something like a couple of
rubber bands, or something similar, and then clamping over that (so it
will be unseen).

-D

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:


 Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
 recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
 also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
 using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
 that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.



 Thanks.  I've previously looked at some of those third party tripod collars
 for Canon lenses but thought they were all too large in diameter for the
 Tamron.  There's several available cheaply on EBay - I might just pick one
 up.



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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Zos Xavius]

A flat field 300 is kind of rare. Given its 5.6 I'm surprised its not
apochromatic as well. I would really love to acquire one of these as
well as a pentax M 300/4 and compare. Either one would fit the bill
for the relative limited use I would get out of the focal length.
Especially with a good TC.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments Steve  Brian.

 Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
 recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
 also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
 using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
 that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.

 I'm a bit surprised to find a number of people using the 54B for
 astrophotography (a torture test for lenses). This page recommends it
 (along with a couple of Pentax lenses) for example:
 http://www.gyes.eu/astro/camera_settings.htm



 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:

 I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
 previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
 an Adaptall2 lens. The two big things it has going for it are
 lightness and close focusing capabilities.



 I have one of those - as well as the 2x adapter.  I haven't used it for some
 time, though - manual focussing of long lenses is a bit of a challenge these
 days.

 I used to take it to the Sydney Cricket Ground once a year where I'd use it,
 tripod mounted, for some action shots of the players. I may do that again
 this year.  I only wish it had a tripod collar - it's not a heavy lens but I
 always felt it was a bit unbalanced without one so I cobbled together a
 rough support to move the tripod support a bit further from the camera.

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Zos Xavius]

By the way, a very good link with some very interesting ideas!

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 A flat field 300 is kind of rare. Given its 5.6 I'm surprised its not
 apochromatic as well. I would really love to acquire one of these as
 well as a pentax M 300/4 and compare. Either one would fit the bill
 for the relative limited use I would get out of the focal length.
 Especially with a good TC.

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments Steve  Brian.

 Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
 recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
 also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
 using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
 that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.

 I'm a bit surprised to find a number of people using the 54B for
 astrophotography (a torture test for lenses). This page recommends it
 (along with a couple of Pentax lenses) for example:
 http://www.gyes.eu/astro/camera_settings.htm



 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org 
 wrote:
 Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:

 I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
 previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
 an Adaptall2 lens. The two big things it has going for it are
 lightness and close focusing capabilities.



 I have one of those - as well as the 2x adapter.  I haven't used it for some
 time, though - manual focussing of long lenses is a bit of a challenge these
 days.

 I used to take it to the Sydney Cricket Ground once a year where I'd use it,
 tripod mounted, for some action shots of the players. I may do that again
 this year.  I only wish it had a tripod collar - it's not a heavy lens but I
 always felt it was a bit unbalanced without one so I cobbled together a
 rough support to move the tripod support a bit further from the camera.

 Hope you enjoy yours.


 --
 Cheers

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for the comments Steve  Brian.

Regarding a tripod collar, I found this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2888491
recommending a Lens Collar for Canon EF 70-200mm/F4L from ebay. They
also come in black. I bought a couple of the black ones that I am
using for some other purpose. BTW, these are the same tripod collars
that can be used for the Pentax-FA*300/4.5.

I'm a bit surprised to find a number of people using the 54B for
astrophotography (a torture test for lenses). This page recommends it
(along with a couple of Pentax lenses) for example:
http://www.gyes.eu/astro/camera_settings.htm



On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:

 I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
 previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
 an Adaptall2 lens. The two big things it has going for it are
 lightness and close focusing capabilities.



 I have one of those - as well as the 2x adapter.  I haven't used it for some
 time, though - manual focussing of long lenses is a bit of a challenge these
 days.

 I used to take it to the Sydney Cricket Ground once a year where I'd use it,
 tripod mounted, for some action shots of the players. I may do that again
 this year.  I only wish it had a tripod collar - it's not a heavy lens but I
 always felt it was a bit unbalanced without one so I cobbled together a
 rough support to move the tripod support a bit further from the camera.

 Hope you enjoy yours.


 --
 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[steve harley]

On 2015-01-13 8:56 , Darren Addy wrote:

I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
an Adaptall2 lens. [...]
Best of all, the one I found was $79 shipped.


sound like you got it from the seller on Denver craigslist (though perhaps 
listed somewhere else as well); i researched it as well, but balked at the 
concerns about Adaptall metering on f/5.6 lenses, plus the fact that i 
rarely use long lenses anyway





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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Darren Addy]

I saw it first on Pentax Forums Marketplace, but the seller is from
Colorado and I saw the same lenses listed by her on dpreview.com - so
it would not surprise me if she listed it on Craigslist in her area,
as well. She has other Tamron lenses as well. (People would snap up
her 01A for $59 if they knew that lens.) She also has PK/A Tamron
adaptall mounts at about 1/2 of their usual price.

Sadly, the seller is ill and tells me she must give up photography.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:00 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2015-01-13 8:56 , Darren Addy wrote:

 I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
 previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
 an Adaptall2 lens. [...]
 Best of all, the one I found was $79 shipped.


 sound like you got it from the seller on Denver craigslist (though perhaps
 listed somewhere else as well); i researched it as well, but balked at the
 concerns about Adaptall metering on f/5.6 lenses, plus the fact that i
 rarely use long lenses anyway




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Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Darren Addy]

I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
an Adaptall2 lens. The two big things it has going for it are
lightness and close focusing capabilities.

The 54B is surprisingly light at 610 grams. For comparison, the new
DA* 300mm f/4 weighs 1070 grams. By my calculations, that makes the
54B a full POUND lighter. As far as close focusing capabilities go,
the 54B can match the DA* 300mm f/4 at 1400mm. (With a 1.4m close
focus, the DA* 300mm is one of the closest focusing 300mm primes on
the market, in comparison, the Nikon and Canon 300mm f/4 focus at
almost 1.5m.) The 54B can, by itself do a 1:3.3 magnification ratio.
Put a Tamron Flat Field 2x on it, and you can do 1:1.6 (albeit at
f/11). Being able to get those kind of magnifcation ratios at 1400mm
makes it a potentially great lens for dragonflies, butterflies, etc.

All of that means nothing if the lens doesn't produce results with
today's DSLR. Looking at what people have done with it got me pretty
excited:

https://www.flickr.com/search?text=Tamron+54B

Check out this set by one user:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/slar/sets/72157630155808874/

I think there is a reason that this lens earns a very respectable 8.75
user rating in the Pentax Forums lens database.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-2-300mm-f-5-6-54b.html

Best of all, the one I found was $79 shipped. I love bang for the
buck! The general consensus is that this lens is optically the best of
all the manual focus 300mm lenses out there. One reviewer who has
tried a lot of them says: SUPERB!! I guess don't need to say more. I
didn't find any weakness of this lens, color, sharpness, macro
capability just excellent, if compare all this features with other 300
mm lens this is the number one. Better than Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar
300mm f/4, Pentacon/Meyer Orestegor 300mm f/4 , Nikkor 300mm f/4.5 AI
or Tair 3S.

The reduced speed of this lens (f/5.6 maximum aperture) is mitigated
by today's ability to get great results at higher ISOs.  I thought I
would pass this along for anyone else who is looking for similar
capabilities without breaking the bank. Being an Adaptall lens, one
can use it with either a PK/M or PK/A adaptall mount (or an m42
adaptall mount, if you want to put it on your Spotmatic F. :)

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Re: Enablement: Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 model 54B

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:


I tripped across a manual focus lens last night that I was not
previously aware of: The Tamron SP 300mm f5.6 Flat Field (model 54B),
an Adaptall2 lens. The two big things it has going for it are
lightness and close focusing capabilities.



I have one of those - as well as the 2x adapter.  I haven't used it  
for some time, though - manual focussing of long lenses is a bit of a  
challenge these days.


I used to take it to the Sydney Cricket Ground once a year where I'd  
use it, tripod mounted, for some action shots of the players. I may do  
that again this year.  I only wish it had a tripod collar - it's not a  
heavy lens but I always felt it was a bit unbalanced without one so I  
cobbled together a rough support to move the tripod support a bit  
further from the camera.


Hope you enjoy yours.


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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

[Igor PDML-StR]

 Eric Weir Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:13:30 -0700 wrote:


On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:



Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
;-)


My grandfather had one 'a them-and an M.


Eric, and this one was photographed near A and M (TX AM Univ.).

;-)

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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

[Eric Weir]

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 Eric Weir Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:13:30 -0700 wrote:
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:
 
 Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
 ;-)
 
 My grandfather had one 'a them-and an M.
 
 Eric, and this one was photographed near A and M (TX AM Univ.).

Did you get a shot of the A? I don’t remember it. At least not by name.

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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

[Igor PDML-StR]

 Eric Weir Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:06:02 -0700 wrote:


On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:



Eric Weir Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:13:30 -0700 wrote:


On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:


Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
;-)


My grandfather had one 'a them-and an M.


Eric, and this one was photographed near A and M (TX AM Univ.).


Did you get a shot of the A? I don't remember it. At least not by name.


Sorry, Eric, I am confused by your question.

Are you asking about Model A tractor or an A in AM?
If that's the former, - no, Model H was the only [old] tractor there.
A and M nearby was Texas AM University in vicinity of which this 
FairExpo was happening.


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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

[Igor PDML-StR]

HAR! ;-)

Darren, I am glad you had fun...
I am surprised nobody enjoyed photos of hot chicks in a more recent 
thread.


Cheers,

Igor


 Darren Addy Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:43:29 -0700 wrote:

Obligatory link to She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWu4aynBK7E


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Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
;-)


Cheers,

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Re: for automotive geeks - chick magnet, hot red Model H -1952

[Eric Weir]

On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
 ;-)

My grandfather had one 'a them—and an M.

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Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
;-)


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Obligatory link to She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWu4aynBK7E



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 Chick magnet Model H  (1952).
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR22927.jpg
 ;-)


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Re: PESO: A little model

[Ann Sanfedele]

Nice Mantis, Jeffrey...

Yes - Mantids do seem to want to make friends with us.. I spent a lovely 
couple of hours with one in Bluff, Arizona some years ago..

I named her Samantha.. She let me move her to different spots -
sat in my hand, came to me readily - but there were certain colors
she wouldn't go to.  wonderful creatures. I particularly liked the
pose in the third photo.. well, to be specific, this one

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/hE8C1E8E#h11ec9ee7

Not sure the way flikker works if it was the third one

ann



On 8/22/2014 10:31, Don Guthrie wrote:

When you do find a mantis they do seem to pose for you. I was also
struck by the way their eyeball will follow you almost as if they are
measuring you for dinner.

On 8/22/14, 1:39 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:16:45 -0500
From: Jeffery Johnsonjefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: A little model
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck
railing. It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera
out seeing as it seemed to want to be my model.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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Re: PESO: A little model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Excellent images!  The mantis profiles are right on, and I also love
the dragonflies and the pipevine swallowtails.
Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Jeffery Johnson
jefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com wrote:
 Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck railing.
 It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera out seeing as
 it seemed to want to be my model.

 http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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Re:PESO: A little model

[Don Guthrie]

When you do find a mantis they do seem to pose for you. I was also 
struck by the way their eyeball will follow you almost as if they are 
measuring you for dinner.


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:16:45 -0500
From: Jeffery Johnsonjefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: A little model
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck
railing. It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera
out seeing as it seemed to want to be my model.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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Re: PESO: A little model

[Jeffery Johnson]

Yes it did seem to watch me and I would get fairly close it would a bit 
but then stop and look back at me as to say what are you doing with that 
camera.


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On 8/22/2014 9:31 AM, Don Guthrie wrote:
When you do find a mantis they do seem to pose for you. I was also 
struck by the way their eyeball will follow you almost as if they are 
measuring you for dinner.


On 8/22/14, 1:39 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:16:45 -0500
From: Jeffery Johnsonjefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: A little model
Message-ID:53f6c42d.6000...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck
railing. It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera
out seeing as it seemed to want to be my model.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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Re: PESO: A little model

[Jeffery Johnson]

Thank you Dan. I appreciate you checking out the other insects.

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On 8/22/2014 7:28 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Excellent images!  The mantis profiles are right on, and I also love
the dragonflies and the pipevine swallowtails.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Jeffery Johnson
jefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com wrote:

Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck railing.
It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera out seeing as
it seemed to want to be my model.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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PESO: A little model

[Jeffery Johnson]

Last night had a little visitor, a walking stick, on our back deck 
railing. It hung out awhile so of course I just had to get the camera 
out seeing as it seemed to want to be my model.


http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p466861514/ee8c1e8e
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OT - Adobe and the subscription model.

[George Sinos]

A few weeks back I signed up for the $9.99/mo introductory deal for
Photoshop CC.  I figured I would decide whether to drop the
subscription when the price went up at the end of the introductory
offer.

Of course, Adobe's recent announcement of the photographer's package
sweetened the deal.  The $9.99/mo will be the regular price for PS,
LR, some storage and whatever Behance turn into.  I just got an email
that said I wouldn't have to do anything to switch to the new deal.
Adobe will send another email letting current subscribers know when
Lightroom 5.2 goes production and is available.

I was wondering how that transition would be handled.  I'm glad to see
they are making it automatic.

gs

George Sinos

www.GeorgesPhotos.net
www.GeorgeSinos.com

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 3, 2013, at 14:44 , Bill wrote:

 On 03/08/2013 9:14 AM, Walt wrote:
 Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;)
 
 My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are appropriate 
 to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is casual/unposed, 
 environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared toward accentuating 
 beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects some ugly aspects of 
 humanity.
 
 
 Toss a girl into an old bathtub, splash some stage blood around the set and 
 on her, and take pictures.
 You'll fit right in.
 
 bill

One of the much used props in the studio a partner and I shared with some 
architects in the 60s. Dry ice in a bowl in the tub worked, as did having just 
their eyes and hair peering over the side.

84 Vanderwater. Still there, but empty and dark, trash scattered street. 

Of course, it was a different time, but when we had time to spare we just 
called the major agencies and asked for a model or two from their head-shot 
book. I usually spoke of the phone with the girls to give them an idea of my 
interests, which gave them ideas on what clothes to bring and what lighting to 
make up for. 

I helped with makeup if needed, and preferred to keep it simple. Now-a-days you 
have to be an artist to pencil and color in smokey eyes as well as deal with 
whether to accentuate or hide the multicolor inks decorating so much skin.

My favorite shoots were day long trips into the abandoned towns and buildings 
in the SF / Sacramento area. Never had a model be skittish about going off with 
me. In fact, changing in the open next to my VW Bus seemed to be their choice. 
Even with inexperienced models both there and in Seattle 20 years ago none 
seemed embarrassed to be nude or almost nude when changing without knowing me 
well if at all. 

My professional attitude and non-threatening manor seemed to allay fears by the 
models. If they were nervous or timid the planned shoots were designed to calm 
them. Always seemed to work out. 



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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Bruce Walker]

Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet.

Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based
on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked
in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork
stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your
technique.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Bruce.

 You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch
 from you, would you?

 One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm
 fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I
 post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the
 impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm
 not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I
 don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who
 expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer.

 Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix
 over there.

 -- Walt


 On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words.

 Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand
 but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a
 complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location
 and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the
 model(s), MUA, hair stylist.

 As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small
 shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own
 makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they
 are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd
 normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based
 products.

 As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and
 contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting
 call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful
 responses.

 Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it
 current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great
 shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you
 based on what they see there.

 Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
 approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or
 two
 to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely
 ladies
 looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

 Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
 photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones
 to
 be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the
 experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work.

 So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start
 contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in
 exchange
 for pictures.

 Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be
 best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot
 to
 discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for.

 Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to
 keep
 on hand just in case?

 -- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt Gilbert]

http://petapixel.com/2012/12/11/a-collection-of-free-sample-legal-forms-for-photographers/ 



http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ 



I got the ones I use from this book (CD was missing so I got the book 
for 75% off):


http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ 



Not a big deal. I learned touch typing in high school  just copied 
them out of the book rather than opening them from the CD-ROM



Thanks so much, John!

Those are a big help and much appreciated.

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt Gilbert]

Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks!

I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably 
representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots. 
Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression.


Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it!

-- Walt

On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet.

Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based
on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked
in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork
stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your
technique.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch
from you, would you?

One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm
fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I
post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the
impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm
not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I
don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who
expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer.

Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix
over there.

-- Walt


On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words.

Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand
but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a
complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location
and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the
model(s), MUA, hair stylist.

As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small
shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own
makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they
are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd
normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based
products.

As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and
contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting
call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful
responses.

Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it
current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great
shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you
based on what they see there.

Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or
two
to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely
ladies
looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones
to
be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the
experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start
contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in
exchange
for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be
best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot
to
discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to
keep
on hand just in case?

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[John]

Your portfolio is never finished. It shows what you think best
represents your work TO DATE.

Start thinking now about which ones you're going to replace when you do
something better.


On 8/3/2013 10:32 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks!

I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably
representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots.
Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression.

Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it!

-- Walt

On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet.

Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level
based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox
ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the
clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to
improve on your technique.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I
could mooch from you, would you?

One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact
that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I
figure the images I post in my profile should allay some
concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an
old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still
fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't
want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone
who expected to be working with an experienced studio
photographer.

Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get
in the mix over there.

-- Walt


On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a
few words.

Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models
beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a
model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and
arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always
bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair
stylist.

As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a
small shoot, just you and the model, give the model
instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a
book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests
stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use
foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products.

As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted
searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or
post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will
get you useful responses.

Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work,
keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes.
A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential
models will judge you based on what they see there.

Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com
wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently
awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to
find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens,
there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for
photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what
kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there
aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent
in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me
feeling much, much better about my own work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I
think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might
be willing to pose in exchange for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure
it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a
public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may
have and what they're looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies
I ought to keep on hand just in case?

-- Walt


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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt]

Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;)

My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are 
appropriate to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is 
casual/unposed, environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared 
toward accentuating beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects 
some ugly aspects of humanity.


-- Walt


On 8/3/2013 9:59 AM, John wrote:

Your portfolio is never finished. It shows what you think best
represents your work TO DATE.

Start thinking now about which ones you're going to replace when you do
something better.


On 8/3/2013 10:32 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks!

I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably
representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots.
Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression.

Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it!

-- Walt

On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet.

Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level
based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox
ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the
clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to
improve on your technique.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I
could mooch from you, would you?

One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact
that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I
figure the images I post in my profile should allay some
concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an
old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still
fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't
want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone
who expected to be working with an experienced studio
photographer.

Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get
in the mix over there.

-- Walt


On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a
few words.

Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models
beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a
model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and
arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always
bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair
stylist.

As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a
small shoot, just you and the model, give the model
instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a
book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests
stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use
foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products.

As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted
searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or
post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will
get you useful responses.

Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work,
keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes.
A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential
models will judge you based on what they see there.

Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com
wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently
awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to
find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens,
there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for
photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what
kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there
aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent
in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me
feeling much, much better about my own work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I
think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might
be willing to pose in exchange for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure
it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a
public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may
have and what they're looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies
I ought to keep on hand just in case?

-- Walt





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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt Gilbert]

I'm sure it'd be a fun photo shoot, but I'm not sure it'd be a good idea 
to take my camera.


Things can get a little rowdy (though not violent, thankfully) sometimes.

-- Walt

On 8/2/2013 4:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Now that sounds like a fun photo shoot.

Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, I understand that.

But I figure networking with photographers begets networking with
models, and vice-versa. The folks I tend to socialize just aren't the
type who'd be inclined to make a party out of photography. For the most

part, their idea of a party is several pickup trucks backed up to a
bonfire with the tailgates down, a pork shoulder and a bunch of
chickens
on a smoker, multiple coolers full of beer with a few bottles of
whiskey
scattered hither and yon, with the occasional left-handed cigarette
making its way around the periphery.

And the only pictures that avail themselves at such parties feature
out-stretched tongues, bottles held aloft, and ironically struck
bodybuilder poses.

-- Walt

On 8/2/2013 3:33 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Walt,
I think you're the only photographer at a 'Photo Party'.
It's a model party to have their pictures taken.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com

wrote:

On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web.
Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use.
They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to
use them for any legal commercial purpose.  However, I also have
a section where the model can put any restrictions that she
wants on their use such as not posting them with her name,
not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such)

Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help.

I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend,

as my

birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But,

as long

as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory

on it.

On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with
portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph
several friends in one session.  Most of the work is in setting
things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up
to run a couple other models in front of the camera.  You also
get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends.

Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph.

It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because
you get several new models in a day, rather than just one.


A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to

arrange

it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in.

I've

done precious little (actually zero) networking among area

photographers, so

I just don't  know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend

such an

event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start

making a

few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of

photo

opportunities.

There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town

area of

the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit

insular. If I

can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of

opportunities.

I hope to be able to  put together a decent collection in the not

too

distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the

local

artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will

bring about

that day a little sooner.

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Bill]

On 03/08/2013 9:14 AM, Walt wrote:

Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;)

My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are 
appropriate to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is 
casual/unposed, environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared 
toward accentuating beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work 
reflects some ugly aspects of humanity.




Toss a girl into an old bathtub, splash some stage blood around the set 
and on her, and take pictures.

You'll fit right in.

bill

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Bill]

On 01/08/2013 8:29 PM, Walt wrote:
I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting 
approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model 
or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few 
lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build 
up portfolios.


Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of 
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good 
ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the 
whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own 
work.


So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll 
start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose 
in exchange for pictures.


Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would 
be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the 
shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for.


Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought 
to keep on hand just in case?



I've been on Model Mayhem for a few years (wrphoto). I've found that the 
best approach is the most forward approach. I'm up front that this is a 
hobby, and that I am pretty much a GWC (most of the togs on MM fit the 
same description), after that, if I find a model in my area that I like 
the look of, I get in touch (presuming their bio agrees with what I 
want), and ask if they want to shoot. Make sure you have some sort of 
theme in mind, even if it's just a glorified lighting test and all 
you'll be doing is head shots (it's amazing how few models on MM have 
good head shots in their bio).
Remember, most of the models are not professionals, they are in it for 
fun and because they just want some nice pictures of themselves.


I wouldn't think about cosmetics unless you are a qualified make up 
artist. That is a pretty specialized art unto itself. I supply lights, 
camera and location, and I let the model supply the action. If you need 
an MUA, either find one in your area that you like, or let the model do 
her own with her own supplies.


I think the biggie with MM is to not be an ass about stuff. If you 
promise 10 images from the shoot, deliver 12. If you promise to deliver 
them in a couple of weeks, make sure you have them to the model in 10 days.
As far as meeting in advance to set things up, I'm on the fence. I'm 55 
years old, and I don't have ANYTHING in common with a 20 year old girl 
other than we are both interested in how she looks. Meetings in advance, 
for me, are really awkward affairs. Meet for coffee, try not to be too 
creepy, and try not to scare the girl off.


I don't do meetings in advance.
YMMV.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If it works, I get to 
spend some time doing something I really enjoy doing, if it doesn't, I 
find something else to do.
Either way, keep whatever ego you have in check, don't be a pompous ass, 
and do what you say you are going to do, and a little more. Remember 
that even if its TFP, the model has a stake in the shoot.
For me, it's all about the model. If my photography gets in the way of 
the shoot, I'm not doing my job.


bill


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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Larry Colen]

The problem with Model Mayhem is that almost everyone on it seems 
to be a poser, in one way or another.

On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 09:29:58PM -0500, Walt wrote:
 I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
 approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model
 or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few
 lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to
 build up portfolios.
 
 Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
 photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good
 ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the
 whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own
 work.
 
 So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll
 start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to
 pose in exchange for pictures.
 
 Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it
 would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place
 before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're
 looking for.
 
 Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought
 to keep on hand just in case?
 
 -- Walt
 
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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Bruce Walker]

Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words.

Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand
but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a
complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location
and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the
model(s), MUA, hair stylist.

As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small
shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own
makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they
are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd
normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based
products.

As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and
contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting
call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful
responses.

Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it
current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great
shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you
based on what they see there.

Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
 approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two
 to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies
 looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

 Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
 photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to
 be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the
 experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work.

 So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start
 contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange
 for pictures.

 Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be
 best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to
 discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for.

 Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep
 on hand just in case?

 -- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[John]

On 8/1/2013 10:29 PM, Walt wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
 approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model
or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few
lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build
up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good
ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the
whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own
work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll
start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose
in exchange for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it
would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place
before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're
looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought
to keep on hand just in case?

-- Walt



You can find makeup artists, hair stylists  wardrobe consultants (or
wannabees building up their own portfolios) on Model Mayhem too.

As for how to approach potential models, that's what Model Mayhem is
for. It should say in the model's profile whether they will pose in
exchange for prints/files or whether they expect to be paid.

Two thoughts on the nature of CYA:

1. Get it in writing - have a contract that specifically spells out what
the photographer expects  what the model gets for compensation along
with signed model releases. A verbal agreement is not worth the paper
it's [not] written on!

2. Get yourself an older female assistant (aka duenna) to help with
these shoots. The word you're looking for here is MATRONLY. Never EVER
be alone with the models.

When you do that meet them in person in a public place have the
assistant present then too.


Number '2' is especially important whenever you're shooting Seniors.

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt]

On 8/2/2013 1:20 AM, Bill wrote:
I've been on Model Mayhem for a few years (wrphoto). I've found that 
the best approach is the most forward approach. I'm up front that this 
is a hobby, and that I am pretty much a GWC (most of the togs on MM 
fit the same description), after that, if I find a model in my area 
that I like the look of, I get in touch (presuming their bio agrees 
with what I want), and ask if they want to shoot. Make sure you have 
some sort of theme in mind, even if it's just a glorified lighting 
test and all you'll be doing is head shots (it's amazing how few 
models on MM have good head shots in their bio).
Remember, most of the models are not professionals, they are in it for 
fun and because they just want some nice pictures of themselves.


I wouldn't think about cosmetics unless you are a qualified make up 
artist. That is a pretty specialized art unto itself. I supply lights, 
camera and location, and I let the model supply the action. If you 
need an MUA, either find one in your area that you like, or let the 
model do her own with her own supplies.


I think the biggie with MM is to not be an ass about stuff. If you 
promise 10 images from the shoot, deliver 12. If you promise to 
deliver them in a couple of weeks, make sure you have them to the 
model in 10 days.
As far as meeting in advance to set things up, I'm on the fence. I'm 
55 years old, and I don't have ANYTHING in common with a 20 year old 
girl other than we are both interested in how she looks. Meetings in 
advance, for me, are really awkward affairs. Meet for coffee, try not 
to be too creepy, and try not to scare the girl off.


I don't do meetings in advance.
YMMV.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If it works, I get to 
spend some time doing something I really enjoy doing, if it doesn't, I 
find something else to do.
Either way, keep whatever ego you have in check, don't be a pompous 
ass, and do what you say you are going to do, and a little more. 
Remember that even if its TFP, the model has a stake in the shoot.
For me, it's all about the model. If my photography gets in the way of 
the shoot, I'm not doing my job.


bill



Thanks, Bill.

One of the reasons I figured it would be a good idea to meet the model 
before the shoot was to get some ideas for themes and maybe get a sense 
of the personalities involved. But, at the same time, I can see where 
that might lead to some conflict of vision issues, so I guess that may 
be something to do on a case-by-case basis.


As for the makeup, I see your point. And I'm sure any model will be sure 
to bring her own makeup in the event the need for touch-ups presents 
itself. I do have a friend who's offered to serve as a MUA (gratis), and 
I may call upon her at some point.


So far, I've been pretty lucky about presenting subjects with plenty of 
good shots when the shoot is over. The last few I've done, I've managed 
to present them with 40+ shots, and they've all been very happy with 
them. I doubt I'll give that many to the models I use, since I figure 
I'll need to be a more ruthless editor. Still, I figure it's better to 
under-promise and over-deliver in all cases. And I really don't see my 
ego getting in the way of the shoot -- though, I suppose one never knows 
until first contact with the enemy, as it were.


It does help that I'm still viewing this all as a learning experience, 
so I won't be going into any shoots with an inflated sense of expertise. 
And, so far at least, I haven't had any trouble connecting with any of 
my subjects.


Thanks again!

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt]

I was kind of surprised by that myself. The comments left by 
photographers in the models' portfolios reveal an awful lot, don't they?


-- Walt

On 8/2/2013 3:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

The problem with Model Mayhem is that almost everyone on it seems
to be a poser, in one way or another.

On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 09:29:58PM -0500, Walt wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model
or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few
lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to
build up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good
ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the
whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own
work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll
start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to
pose in exchange for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it
would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place
before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're
looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought
to keep on hand just in case?

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt]

Thanks, Bruce.

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could 
mooch from you, would you?


One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm 
fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I 
post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave 
the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when 
I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, 
and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from 
someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer.


Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the 
mix over there.


-- Walt

On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words.

Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand
but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a
complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location
and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the
model(s), MUA, hair stylist.

As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small
shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own
makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they
are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd
normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based
products.

As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and
contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting
call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful
responses.

Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it
current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great
shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you
based on what they see there.

Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two
to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies
looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to
be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the
experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start
contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange
for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be
best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to
discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep
on hand just in case?

-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Walt]

On 8/2/2013 10:14 AM, John wrote:

On 8/1/2013 10:29 PM, Walt wrote:

I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting
 approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model
or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few
lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build
up portfolios.

Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of
photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good
ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the
whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own
work.

So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll
start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose
in exchange for pictures.

Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it
would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place
before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're
looking for.

Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought
to keep on hand just in case?

-- Walt



You can find makeup artists, hair stylists  wardrobe consultants (or
wannabees building up their own portfolios) on Model Mayhem too.

As for how to approach potential models, that's what Model Mayhem is
for. It should say in the model's profile whether they will pose in
exchange for prints/files or whether they expect to be paid.

Two thoughts on the nature of CYA:

1. Get it in writing - have a contract that specifically spells out what
the photographer expects  what the model gets for compensation along
with signed model releases. A verbal agreement is not worth the paper
it's [not] written on!

2. Get yourself an older female assistant (aka duenna) to help with
these shoots. The word you're looking for here is MATRONLY. Never EVER
be alone with the models.

When you do that meet them in person in a public place have the
assistant present then too.


Number '2' is especially important whenever you're shooting Seniors.


Thanks, John.

I'm not sure how practical it will be to come up with a matronly 
assistant -- at least for my first few shoots. The best I can think of 
at the moment would be the mother of a young girl I shot a couple of 
months ago. She's not all that matronly, but she did offer to assist me 
on shoots whenever I need it.


As for the model releases/contracts -- that's something I do need to 
look into. How detailed do those things need to be? I could dash off a 
short, sweet, one-page document without a problem. I guess I'll need to 
look around the web for some standard releases and contracts to get an 
idea of what I need to do. Do you know of any good resources in 
particular -- maybe some place that has downloadable templates?


-- Walt

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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

[Bill]

On 02/08/2013 10:07 AM, Walt wrote:



I'm not sure how practical it will be to come up with a matronly 
assistant -- at least for my first few shoots. The best I can think of 
at the moment would be the mother of a young girl I shot a couple of 
months ago. She's not all that matronly, but she did offer to assist 
me on shoots whenever I need it.
Better than nothing. Unless you and the model are actually friends, 
having an assistant along is a good idea. Often, models will want to 
bring an escort for their safety, having an assistant has the same 
effect on your safety.




As for the model releases/contracts -- that's something I do need to 
look into. How detailed do those things need to be? I could dash off a 
short, sweet, one-page document without a problem. I guess I'll need 
to look around the web for some standard releases and contracts to get 
an idea of what I need to do. Do you know of any good resources in 
particular -- maybe some place that has downloadable templates?



Model releases are good for photographers who are potential dickheads in 
my mind, but I don't, as a rule, do things with pictures that would 
embarrass the models. A good model release gives you the ability to tell 
the model to go pound sand if she decides she doesn't like your usage. 
Of course, if you are that type of photographer, you will stop getting 
models willing to work with you in a hurry as well.
Usage agreements give the models certain rights, the fewer rights you 
give, the more prickery you can pull down the road. Again, these are 
good if you tend towards dickheadedness, as when the model instagrams 
one of your images, you can point out that she can't do this and 
threaten to sue.

You might win a very expensive battle, and lose the war.

I have never bothered with model releases or licensing agreements. I 
think the whole tying these sorts of things up with contracts is 
somewhat arrogant, and I won't get involved. The model has just as much 
skin in the game as the photographer (sometimes a lot more depending on 
the type of shoot), and I put their interests ahead of my own. Any files 
I hand over to the model have shared copyright written into the EXIF 
data, so the model has equal ownership of the images.


YMMV, your culture isn't as trusting as mine, and tends to be more 
litigious and confrontational in this regard.


bill



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