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Excellent suggestions, George. Thanks! Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:21 PM, George Sinos wrote: Hi Christine - After you view the videos on adobe's site. Kelby's book is probably all you need. I haven't found any to be more to the point. I'd say get the most recent version. Martin Evening's book is even more detailed. I only use them for reference. One thing you might want to try. Kelbytraining.com has a great video course. I think it's about 8 hours long. You could subscribe for 1 month for $25. They also have free day passes. Get up early, especially on a weekday, and grab a 24 hour free pass. You can watch anything you want for 24 hours. They usually put about 50 of them on the home page every day. It's a little after noon and today's batch is gone. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). I think it's time to rethink my workflow and photo management system, and I think I need some tutorials on advanced photo management and catalogues skills. It's to the adobe videos for me, and perhaps a purchase of a book. If anyone knows of a good book for Lightroom 4, I'd appreciate the recommendation. I have the Scott Kelby book for the early Lightroom version (1 or 2 ), and thought it ok, but I found him a bit wordy. If there's another book you'd recommend by a different author who gets right to the point, I'd be very grateful. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:29 AM, George Sinos wrote: Christine - here's a video that shows how to find missing or relocated files and folders. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-4/import-moving-folders-around-after-the-fact/ If you have the same structure on both drives, It takes longer to watch the explanation than to do it. Just a tip for people organizing things in Lightroom. Put all of your files and folders under one top level folder. Call it photo library of whatever you would like. This makes it easy to move everything to a different drive. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com: I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. That was my first thought as well but not being a Lightroom user I wasn't sure if there was something in the database structure that wouldn't allow it to work. In my Studioline image management system I did precisely that when I needed to create a separate backup of the database. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work with Lightroom? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has
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On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:50 PM, George Sinos wrote: Second, there are two catalog settings that I make sure are checked. They are not by default. The first is Write all Develop settings inside jpeg, tiff and psd files, the other is Automatically write changes to XMP files. With these two turned on, all of your critical data travel with the image file. If your catalog gets corrupted, you can import into a new catalog and you haven't lost the most important data. I didn't know this was an option. Good to know. I'll test this and see how it works. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 11, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: True. But is the scattered backup a function of Lightroom? No, it's more a function of the user in my view, Paul. I freely admit I have gaps in my Lightroom knowledge and bad photo management habits. There are other factors as well. Within the last year, I switched from a PC (it crashed after heavy use for 6 years) to Mac: iPhone, iPad, and iMac, and I'm still learning the new hardware and software. Then I upgraded to Lightroom 4, then the previously mentioned external hard drive crashed, then I discovered that my two external drives are less identical in folder organization than I thought, so I'm a bit overwhelmed here with technology changes. On top of all this, I'm at a funny stage in my life and photographically--a kind of transition phase. I want to clear stuff out--get rid of the proverbial stuff--and this includes my photos. In many respects, this might be a good time to deal with the photo management issue because I can multitask this problem: get a good management and workflow going and get rid of non-keepers, and better organize those categories of photos I care most about, then move on. In terms of storage, I miss the analogue days: you had a box of negatives and a box of prints. Neither was immune from damage, but in terms of management it was much easier. With digital, well, everyone knows the score there. So, don't blame Lightroom! :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, George Sinos wrote: The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ thanks for the link. I have it bookmarked. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, George Sinos wrote: The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ thanks for the link. I have it bookmarked. Cheers, Christine Yep the dpbestflow site is a great source of information. It was put together by the ASMP with a grant from the Library of Congress. I went to an ASMP presentation on it and came away very impressed. Keep in mind that it's intended to cover the most stringent requirements of permanently filing and preserving large volumes of images - most of us won't need to go the lengths that would be entailed in following its workflow exactly. But it's an excellent starting point for developing your own workflow. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good to know, Mark, so when I skip bits I won't feel guilty :-). Thanks! Cheers, Christine On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Christine Aguila wrote: On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, George Sinos wrote: The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ thanks for the link. I have it bookmarked. Cheers, Christine Yep the dpbestflow site is a great source of information. It was put together by the ASMP with a grant from the Library of Congress. I went to an ASMP presentation on it and came away very impressed. Keep in mind that it's intended to cover the most stringent requirements of permanently filing and preserving large volumes of images - most of us won't need to go the lengths that would be entailed in following its workflow exactly. But it's an excellent starting point for developing your own workflow. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Apples oranges it seems to me. Paul has a system for filing his photos you have a tool for searching for your photos without necessarily caring where they're filed. From: Bruce Walker My old system was Bridge and Ps. And it was a bit of a mess, with no special place for my edited files and no easy way to locate finished files later. But I thought that it was equivalent to Lr / Ps and not worth the upgrade. How wrong I was. I switched to using Lr / Ps and all the world is comfortable and has a rosy glow to it now. Lightroom sends and receives files to/from Photoshop as layered TIFFs and keeps them visible in the catalog along with all the other RAWs, so everything is neatly kept organized in folders that are quickly searchable. Click on a tag and almost instantly you see all the images tagged that way. Just try a search like that in Bridge. Chuggity, chuggity, chug ... *eventually* you may get results. I've done fruitless 20-minute searches in Bridge. Bleagh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Apples oranges it seems to me. Paul has a system for filing his photos you have a tool for searching for your photos without necessarily caring where they're filed. The point is that he could continue to file his photos exactly as he does now, and use Lightroom, and get the best of both worlds. People who don't use Lightroom often seem labor under the misapprehension that Lightroom imposes a particular file layout for image files, or prevents you from organizing them however you want on the file system. This is not the case at all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Matthew Hunt On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Apples oranges it seems to me. Paul has a system for filing his photos you have a tool for searching for your photos without necessarily caring where they're filed. The point is that he could continue to file his photos exactly as he does now, and use Lightroom, and get the best of both worlds. People who don't use Lightroom often seem labor under the misapprehension that Lightroom imposes a particular file layout for image files, or prevents you from organizing them however you want on the file system. This is not the case at all. And many Lightroom evangelists seem to think its keywording/tagging capabilities are an adequate substitute for actually having some kind of system for organizing your files. I don't just get that from the list BTW. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Apples oranges it seems to me. Paul has a system for filing his photos you have a tool for searching for your photos without necessarily caring where they're filed. The point is that he could continue to file his photos exactly as he does now, and use Lightroom, and get the best of both worlds. Ah, but in my opinion, that's not the best of both worlds. I' ve tried lightroom and just don't like the conversion workflow or the structured routines. I don't like the cutesy names, like brilliance for conversion factors. I'm very comfortable with ACR and the way it allows me to adjust every point on the histo curve in conversion. It saves my RAW result, but I can return to the default at any time. And because I'm almost always do some work in PS. I like that it opens the converted pic in PS. I usually sharpen in PS and frequently do a bit of cloning as well and sometimes adjust the vertical alignment. Using keystrokes, it can be done in a matter of seconds. I can then save a tiff as either 16 bit or 8 bit and a web-sized jpeg. Using save for web, PS automatically changes the color space to SRGB and saves as a highest quality jpeg. All in the same folder as the RAW -- a folder that is arranged chronologically in bridge and on a drive dedicated to a specific range of dates. BTW, while previewing shots in Bridge, I don't have to wait for them to load or run a slide show. I can display them as large as a I want and just scroll through the folder. A click opens any pic in ACR, almost instantaneously. I don't think I'm missing a thing. Paul People who don't use Lightroom often seem labor under the misapprehension that Lightroom imposes a particular file layout for image files, or prevents you from organizing them however you want on the file system. This is not the case at all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Ah, but in my opinion, that's not the best of both worlds. I' ve tried lightroom and just don't like the conversion workflow or the structured routines. I don't like the cutesy names, like brilliance for conversion factors. If you don't like the Lightroom workflow at all, that's a different matter. I only meant the best of both worlds in the sense of getting Lightroom's cataloging operations, while maintaining your preferred file structure. (Also: I have no idea what you mean by cutesy names or brilliance. I don't have Ps or ACR, but my understanding is that ACR and Lightroom use pretty much the same names for their processing controls.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Ah, but in my opinion, that's not the best of both worlds. I' ve tried lightroom and just don't like the conversion workflow or the structured routines. I don't like the cutesy names, like brilliance for conversion factors. If you don't like the Lightroom workflow at all, that's a different matter. I only meant the best of both worlds in the sense of getting Lightroom's cataloging operations, while maintaining your preferred file structure. (Also: I have no idea what you mean by cutesy names or brilliance. I don't have Ps or ACR, but my understanding is that ACR and Lightroom use pretty much the same names for their processing controls.) ACR's function names are different and generally more descriptive of what is happening, IMO. The midrange brightness slider, for example, is merely brightness. Color temperature is temperature. Highlight recovery is Recovrery. Fill light is fill light. Saturation is saturation. Then there's the graphic tone curve with sliders for highlights, lights, darks, and shadows. Plus, I was heavily into RAW conversion by the time Lightroom emerged, and really wedded to the ACR workflow. If I had started with Lightroom, it might have pleased me more. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same faciliites are in Lightroom, Paul. Just a different interface. And more cataloging and data management functions. But I don't care at all whether you like or want to learn Lightroom vs PS vs Aperture or any other software. I'm just trying to help Christine recover her work, and others to become more efficient in their use of the tools they're using. I like the fact that I can browse and annotate all 300,000 photos in my library even when only 50,000 of them are on a live, mounted volume. Or carry a slide show to a talk without having to have the original files on hand. And go back and forth between my book layout and my image adjustment tools seamlessly. Or output an arbitrary collection of archive masters and client outputs simultaneously with the press of a button. Etc etc. None of which may matter to you, but which does matter to me. LR has great value for me, and I find I hardly find any use for PS anymore. So what? I don't care, and I don't expect anyone else cares, what software I use to do my work as long as my photos come out the way I want them to and the work that people ask me to do is done. :-) G On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Ah, but in my opinion, that's not the best of both worlds. I' ve tried lightroom and just don't like the conversion workflow or the structured routines. I don't like the cutesy names, like brilliance for conversion factors. I'm very comfortable with ACR and the way it allows me to adjust every point on the histo curve in conversion. It saves my RAW result, but I can return to the default at any time. And because I'm almost always do some work in PS. I like that it opens the converted pic in PS. I usually sharpen in PS and frequently do a bit of cloning as well and sometimes adjust the vertical alignment. Using keystrokes, it can be done in a matter of seconds. I can then save a tiff as either 16 bit or 8 bit and a web-sized jpeg. Using save for web, PS automatically changes the color space to SRGB and saves as a highest quality jpeg. All in the same folder as the RAW -- a folder that is arranged chronologically in bridge and on a drive dedicated to a specific range of dates. BTW, while previewing shots in Bridge, I don't have to wait for them to load or run a slide show. I can display them as large as a I want and just scroll through the folder. A click opens any pic in ACR, almost instantaneously. I don't think I'm missing a thing. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ACR's function names are different and generally more descriptive of what is happening, IMO. The midrange brightness slider, for example, is merely brightness. Color temperature is temperature. Highlight recovery is Recovrery. Fill light is fill light. Saturation is saturation. Then there's the graphic tone curve with sliders for highlights, lights, darks, and shadows. Plus, I was heavily into RAW conversion by the time Lightroom emerged, and really wedded to the ACR workflow. If I had started with Lightroom, it might have pleased me more. Those are exactly what the controls were called in LR3 as well. That's why I was confused. Maybe there was Brilliance in an earlier version--I started with LR3--but I couldn't find any reference to it with Google. The controls have changed for PV2012 in LR4 (no more Fill Light, for example), but I think ACR 7 changed in the same ways. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ACR's function names are different and generally more descriptive of what is happening, IMO. The midrange brightness slider, for example, is merely brightness. Color temperature is temperature. Highlight recovery is Recovrery. Fill light is fill light. Saturation is saturation. Then there's the graphic tone curve with sliders for highlights, lights, darks, and shadows. Plus, I was heavily into RAW conversion by the time Lightroom emerged, and really wedded to the ACR workflow. If I had started with Lightroom, it might have pleased me more. Those are exactly what the controls were called in LR3 as well. That's why I was confused. Maybe there was Brilliance in an earlier version--I started with LR3--but I couldn't find any reference to it with Google. The controls have changed for PV2012 in LR4 (no more Fill Light, for example), but I think ACR 7 changed in the same ways. The last version of Lightroom that I tried was LR2, so I wouldn't know how it has progressed. If it's more like ACR, that's a good thing IMO. I never understood why Adobe would design them with different key words. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul - other than differences in screen layout, ACR and the Lightroom develop module are identical. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ACR's function names are different and generally more descriptive of what is happening, IMO. The midrange brightness slider, for example, is merely brightness. Color temperature is temperature. Highlight recovery is Recovrery. Fill light is fill light. Saturation is saturation. Then there's the graphic tone curve with sliders for highlights, lights, darks, and shadows. Plus, I was heavily into RAW conversion by the time Lightroom emerged, and really wedded to the ACR workflow. If I had started with Lightroom, it might have pleased me more. Those are exactly what the controls were called in LR3 as well. That's why I was confused. Maybe there was Brilliance in an earlier version--I started with LR3--but I couldn't find any reference to it with Google. The controls have changed for PV2012 in LR4 (no more Fill Light, for example), but I think ACR 7 changed in the same ways. The last version of Lightroom that I tried was LR2, so I wouldn't know how it has progressed. If it's more like ACR, that's a good thing IMO. I never understood why Adobe would design them with different key words. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Matthew Hunt wrote: I don't have Ps or ACR, but my understanding is that ACR and Lightroom use pretty much the same names for their processing controls.) That is correct: The adjustments in Lightroom and ACR are identical (and identically named). Lightroom is just a bit more conducive to working with large volumes of photographs. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Matthew Hunt wrote: I don't have Ps or ACR, but my understanding is that ACR and Lightroom use pretty much the same names for their processing controls.) That is correct: The adjustments in Lightroom and ACR are identical (and identically named). Lightroom is just a bit more conducive to working with large volumes of photographs. Good to know that Adobe has come to its senses. Perhaps I'll try Lightroom again one of these days. Paul -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-07-12 7:59 Matthew Hunt wrote If you don't like the Lightroom workflow at all, that's a different matter. I only meant the best of both worlds in the sense of getting Lightroom's cataloging operations, while maintaining your preferred file structure. i think he could maintain most or all of his operational workflow in Lightroom too (Also: I have no idea what you mean by cutesy names or brilliance. I don't have Ps or ACR, but my understanding is that ACR and Lightroom use pretty much the same names for their processing controls.) every term of art starts life as a cutesy name, often once we get used to it we feel like it's a perfectly descriptive name -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-07-11 19:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote Lightroom does no backup of your image files at all, that is completely up to the user to set up. as an interesting point of comparison, Aperture can copy image files into a backup location on import; i do this, automatically creating a /MM/DD folder hierarchy on both master and backup volumes (the latter over Gigabit Ethernet) e.g. originals in ~/Pictures/2012/07/11 and backups in [network drive]/aperture/backups/2012/07/11 as i think is clear from the discussion, keeping backups in the same hierarchical structure facilitates recovery in the loss of a disk, or simply when moving everything to a new computer, as i've done easily with Aperture; i choose a structure which never needs to change; all subsequent organization is done in the catalog Aperture relinks slightly differently from Lightroom — in Aperture you choose an image to relink and find the corresponding file in its new location, then it will relink all the other files based on its knowledge of the hierarchy, working up the folder hierarchy as necessary the Aperture catalog doesn't auto-backup — wish it did — but it's structured so that syncing changes via Time Machine is fairly efficient -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 11, 2012, at 13:19, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. It sounds tricky, but it's so damned simple when you get used to it. Bridge is ugly/nasty and I'm glad I have nothing to do with it anymore. I just spent 15 minutes digging through over 70,000 images looking for pictures of a cousin of mine who's gone missing and the family wanted something for the flier. Lightroom made in an absolute piece of cake to locate photos, make a virtual copy, crop so just his face shows, and export the necessary images for use. While Godfrey's instructions may look intimidating, the actual execution of the hey Lightroom, now my files are over here instructions to LR is dead simple. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: as an interesting point of comparison, Aperture can copy image files into a backup location on import; i do this, automatically creating a /MM/DD folder hierarchy on both master and backup volumes (the latter over Gigabit Ethernet) Lightroom does the same with respect to the master files imported into the catalog. It's an import convenience. And it can create a backup second set as well ... but there it doesn't copy the import structure, it just places them in a date ordered set of folders. It's up to the user to manage their original files. Aperture also supports fully automated, managed files incorporated into the .aplibrary sets. I have always disliked that ... I prefer to manage my files myself, and have sophisticated backup and archiving policies/systems that do it for me in an efficient and reliable way. I don't want to get into a huge Aperture vs Lightroom vs Photoshop/Bridge debate here. This thread should be about helping Christine recover her work and get her system configured properly to minimize problems in the future, using her choice of tools. I work with Lightroom, Aperture, and Photoshop ... as well as several other image processing software tools. I really don't care which ones other people choose to use. Godfrey - godfreydigio...@me.com Announcing Ways Together .. my new photo book! See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto Come to the reception and book-signing: ModernBook Gallery 49 Geary Ave, San Francisco, CA August 2nd, 5:30-7:30 pm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-07-12 11:29 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: as an interesting point of comparison, Aperture can copy image files into a backup location on import; i do this, automatically creating a /MM/DD folder hierarchy on both master and backup volumes (the latter over Gigabit Ethernet) Lightroom does the same with respect to the master files imported into the catalog. It's an import convenience. And it can create a backup second set as well ... but there it doesn't copy the import structure, it just places them in a date ordered set of folders. now that i've found LR's controls for that i see they are almost equivalent; Aperture can copy the original folder structure, though i never do that; it looks like LR can do that too; i just can't tell if LR's destination folder structure is also used for the second copy — if it is then you can automatically structure masters and backups the same, which is the primary benefit i was describing It's up to the user to manage their original files. for me the originals are on an SD card and get deleted eventually; in other words no management is necessary; the master is what's copied to my drive during import; LR can do this too, and i would recommend using the option to create a folder structure on import; sounds like you copy files to your drive prior to import, which i'd see as an extra step, but not harmful Aperture also supports fully automated, managed files incorporated into the .aplibrary sets. I have always disliked that ... i totally agree; it's an option for people who don't want to think about files at all, but it makes it harder to recover and to divide your work onto several drives; it's worth noting that if you start using Aperture and let it do this by default, you can easily change your mind and have it move the files to a discrete folder hierarchy for you; as such, Aperture is also a good tool to extract files from the black hole that is iPhoto I prefer to manage my files myself, and have sophisticated backup and archiving policies/systems that do it for me in an efficient and reliable way. for me it's so simple to let Aperture do the bulk of it that i don't need much more except for the secondary backup system; i offer this not as a LR vs. Aperture debate, but to explore ways to get things done (file organization, backups) as simply as possible, which i assume will benefit folks like Christine; i just know Aperture so much better that i use it as example, and to help those who may not have invested in one or the other yet I don't want to get into a huge Aperture vs Lightroom vs Photoshop/Bridge debate here. not debating, but the topic has evolved past Christine's immediate need; Aperture and Lightroom mostly do the same things, but how i read your comments led me to see a significant difference for those who want to achieve a simple workflow; turns out they aren't that different after all in this respect i have tried to use Bridge in the past, and was a Photoshop professional in the early 90s, color-correcting, retouching and compositing photos for prepress; but i now use mostly Aperture and a bit of Lightroom; Photoshop for occasional panoramas and focus-stacking (Aperture works well with Photoshop); from a workflow perspective i think LR and Aperture offer very similar benefits; they differ more in interface details and non-organizational features, but there's no obvious best choice; if nothing else, i think Lightroom has a brighter future -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-07-12 7:25 John Sessoms wrote And many Lightroom evangelists seem to think its keywording/tagging capabilities are an adequate substitute for actually having some kind of system for organizing your files. an image catalog means you don't need the mental load of coming up with the perfect set of shoeboxes in the file system (an impossible task, since natural organizational systems often are rarely strictly hierarchical); when using a catalog/database, i organize my _files_ once, when they come off the camera, and never have to organize them again; any further organization is of the _images_ in the catalog which is far more flexible in a catalog, one image can belong in several different, changing categories yet there is no need to move or copy any files; i can also make several different renderings from one file without having to create multiple files and if i do want to reorganize files (e.g. if i were importing a lot of material from someone else's messy archive) an image cataloging tool facilitates that, too i guess your argument might be that a catalog encourages laziness, but as a programmer, i think laziness can work to one's benefit; with a little up-front effort, a cataloging tool can allow one to evolve an organizational system gradually with much less effort and no file-shuffling -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-07-12 11:29 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote It's up to the user to manage their original files. Original files means the masters used in the editing system, not what's on the camera storage card. What's on the camera storage card is irrelevant in the context of the editing system except as a source for importing. The sensible way to manage your original files for use with Lightroom, Aperture or any other image processing system is: - Create an image repository rooted in a single directory on a per-volume basis. - Inside that repository, create subfolders structured by whatever mnemonic is most sensible to you ... dates, categories, jobs, clients ... whatever works. - Define a system of subfolders in the image repository germain to your editing tools through which to migrate your work. For a Photoshop/Bridge workflow, this is often a series of subfolders based on a project or job such as picks, work in progress, editing completed, output for use A, output for use B, etc. For applications like Aperture and Lightroom that include image management functionality, you normally do not do this in the file system directly, you use tools internal to the app for this, that is, a defined progression using collections, albums, labeling, rating stars, etc. - Backup and archive the original files by replicating the entire image repository to an another storage location, preferably twice (good data security policy is one working copy and two backup copies). Keep it up to date, do it regularly ... automated backup/synchronization tools are best for this. For apps like Aperture and Lightroom, also include in the backup schema the .aplibrary file (Aperture) and .LRDAT file (Lightroom). This preserves all the editing and annotation work, and the history and state of all your files. It's the same four points to managing your original files, no matter what image processing system and tools are used to do the work. Whether a particular tool has automated part of the tasks for you or not is a convenience. The underlying need is to learn the tools you want to use well, design a configuration and a set of policies to achieve what you want, and then use them consistently. Godfrey - godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com Announcing Ways Together .. my new photo book! See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto Come to the reception and book-signing: ModernBook Gallery 49 Geary Ave, San Francisco, CA August 2nd, 5:30-7:30 pm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ Here's an interesting entry on DNG files. The DNG format preserves the original raw sensor data just the same as the proprietary raw files. Nothing is left out. DNG is a safer archival container for several important reasons. The first is that it is a documented format. Its specification is openly published and how DNG files are constructed is openly shared with other software vendors. The second reason is that, unlike any other raw format, DNG contains a file verification tool known as a hash that can tell if the raw image data remains unchanged and uncorrupted. This hash only references the raw image data, so a DNG file can be processed an infinite number of times and the XMP instruction set(s) and embedded JPEG preview(s) can be redone an infinite number of times, but the underlying raw data does not change, so it can continue to be verified forever. One disadvantage of DNG has nothing to do with the format itself but has to do with the number of software vendors that choose to support DNG. Since not all do, DNG files cannot be processed in every possible raw file processor out there, especially the camera manufacturer's software. DNG can, however, contain even the proprietary raw file within the DNG container, so if this is a concern, you can choose to save your DNG files with the proprietary raw files embedded. The file verification hash will then also protect the proprietary raw data as well as the DNG raw image data. This, in fact, is currently the only way to verify proprietary raw files. DNG files can sometimes be smaller than proprietary raw since DNG uses a very efficient lossless compression scheme on the raw image data. DNG files can be the same size or slightly larger than proprietary raw if they contain full size JPEG previews. DNG files can be twice the size of proprietary raw if the proprietary raw file is optionally embedded. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-07-12 11:29 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote It's up to the user to manage their original files. Original files means the masters used in the editing system, not what's on the camera storage card. What's on the camera storage card is irrelevant in the context of the editing system except as a source for importing. The sensible way to manage your original files for use with Lightroom, Aperture or any other image processing system is: - Create an image repository rooted in a single directory on a per-volume basis. - Inside that repository, create subfolders structured by whatever mnemonic is most sensible to you ... dates, categories, jobs, clients ... whatever works. - Define a system of subfolders in the image repository germain to your editing tools through which to migrate your work. For a Photoshop/Bridge workflow, this is often a series of subfolders based on a project or job such as picks, work in progress, editing completed, output for use A, output for use B, etc. For applications like Aperture and Lightroom that include image management functionality, you normally do not do this in the file system directly, you use tools internal to the app for this, that is, a defined progression using collections, albums, labeling, rating stars, etc. - Backup and archive the original files by replicating the entire image repository to an another storage location, preferably twice (good data security policy is one working copy and two backup copies). Keep it up to date, do it regularly ... automated backup/synchronization tools are best for this. For apps like Aperture and Lightroom, also include in the backup schema the .aplibrary file (Aperture) and .LRDAT file (Lightroom). This preserves all the editing and annotation work, and the history and state of all your files. It's the same four points to managing your original files, no matter what image processing system and tools are used to do the work. Whether a particular tool has automated part of the tasks for you or not is a convenience. The underlying need is to learn the tools you want to use well, design a configuration and a set of policies to achieve what you want, and then use them consistently. Godfrey - godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com Announcing Ways Together .. my new photo book! See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto Come to the reception and book-signing: ModernBook Gallery 49 Geary Ave, San Francisco, CA August 2nd, 5:30-7:30 pm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit
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on 2012-07-12 12:55 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-07-12 11:29 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote It's up to the user to manage their original files. Original files means the masters used in the editing system, not what's on the camera storage card. okay, then what you called originals i called masters, no problem; what i wanted to get across is that LR or Aperture can do most of the work organizing the original (and backup) files; i didn't get that from it's up to the user, so i thought it would be helpful for those wanting a simpler workflow, configuring fewer tools to get the job done; but it _is_ up to the user to configure LR or Aperture, maybe that's what you meant there are complications and special cases of course; in addition to simplifying the workflow, one should gain enough knowledge to anticipate sources of trouble and prevent (or prepare for) them -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-07-12 13:07 George Sinos wrote The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ i found the ingestion section interesting and relevant to what i've been describing; it has lots of ideas for solving specific problems, however i think some of the major suggestions there are cumbersome, not clearly a best practice, specifically * naming folders before downloading — really slows down the process if you follow the specific suggestion; i think there are simpler ways to make sure each card is downloaded * renaming files — i would avoid this except in special circumstances; maybe pros would want to do it per-project, but even then i would suggest doing it at the tail end, only on the deliverables * add metadata before backup - an option, but not necessarily best practice, and if metadata is to be kept in the catalog it's an unnecessary complication (prevents allowing the catalog tool to automate the backups) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to
keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come
up with a good workflow.
There is a lot of information here.
http://dpbestflow.org/
Interesting. Many of the ideas and practices are bit too cumbersome,
in my opinion.
Here's an interesting entry on DNG files.
...
DNG can, however, contain even the proprietary raw file within the DNG
container, so if this is a concern, you can choose to save your DNG
files with the proprietary raw files embedded. The file verification
hash will then also protect the proprietary raw data as well as the
DNG raw image data.
I found this to be an interesting detail, if you're concerned with or
need that sort of verification.
(All but one of my current cameras saves raw files as DNG directly in
camera now, so the question of whether to use DNG format or not is
moot.)
My standard import workflow from card to computer is to import with a
standardized rename into date ordered subfolders of the year I'm doing
the importing. The subfolders are named with a MMDD pattern to
indicate the year/month/day of the files they contain, the file names
are coded YYMMDD-{original file number} indicating capture date and
the particular camera sequence just as a unique breadcrumb in the file
system. I often rename master files again with a more expressive
filename once they've become part of a project.
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What happens when you try to render the proprietary data in the embedded file and a converter is not available? It seems like you are adding a layer of obfuscation for the sake of 'future proofing'. It would seem that converting to the actual open standard would be safer if you were really concerned about file compatibility in the future. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The ASMP has had this website up for quite some time. They seem to keep it up to date. It's a good reference when you're trying to come up with a good workflow. There is a lot of information here. http://dpbestflow.org/ Here's an interesting entry on DNG files. The DNG format preserves the original raw sensor data just the same as the proprietary raw files. Nothing is left out. DNG is a safer archival container for several important reasons. The first is that it is a documented format. Its specification is openly published and how DNG files are constructed is openly shared with other software vendors. The second reason is that, unlike any other raw format, DNG contains a file verification tool known as a hash that can tell if the raw image data remains unchanged and uncorrupted. This hash only references the raw image data, so a DNG file can be processed an infinite number of times and the XMP instruction set(s) and embedded JPEG preview(s) can be redone an infinite number of times, but the underlying raw data does not change, so it can continue to be verified forever. One disadvantage of DNG has nothing to do with the format itself but has to do with the number of software vendors that choose to support DNG. Since not all do, DNG files cannot be processed in every possible raw file processor out there, especially the camera manufacturer's software. DNG can, however, contain even the proprietary raw file within the DNG container, so if this is a concern, you can choose to save your DNG files with the proprietary raw files embedded. The file verification hash will then also protect the proprietary raw data as well as the DNG raw image data. This, in fact, is currently the only way to verify proprietary raw files. DNG files can sometimes be smaller than proprietary raw since DNG uses a very efficient lossless compression scheme on the raw image data. DNG files can be the same size or slightly larger than proprietary raw if they contain full size JPEG previews. DNG files can be twice the size of proprietary raw if the proprietary raw file is optionally embedded. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-07-12 11:29 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote It's up to the user to manage their original files. Original files means the masters used in the editing system, not what's on the camera storage card. What's on the camera storage card is irrelevant in the context of the editing system except as a source for importing. The sensible way to manage your original files for use with Lightroom, Aperture or any other image processing system is: - Create an image repository rooted in a single directory on a per-volume basis. - Inside that repository, create subfolders structured by whatever mnemonic is most sensible to you ... dates, categories, jobs, clients ... whatever works. - Define a system of subfolders in the image repository germain to your editing tools through which to migrate your work. For a Photoshop/Bridge workflow, this is often a series of subfolders based on a project or job such as picks, work in progress, editing completed, output for use A, output for use B, etc. For applications like Aperture and Lightroom that include image management functionality, you normally do not do this in the file system directly, you use tools internal to the app for this, that is, a defined progression using collections, albums, labeling, rating stars, etc. - Backup and archive the original files by replicating the entire image repository to an another storage location, preferably twice (good data security policy is one working copy and two backup copies). Keep it up to date, do it regularly ... automated backup/synchronization tools are best for this. For apps like Aperture and Lightroom, also include in the backup schema the .aplibrary file (Aperture) and .LRDAT file (Lightroom). This preserves all the editing and annotation work, and the history and state of all your files. It's the same four points to managing your original files, no matter what image processing system and tools are used to do the work. Whether a particular tool has automated part of the tasks for you or not is a convenience. The underlying need is to learn the tools you want to use well, design a configuration and a set of policies to achieve
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David Parsons wrote: What happens when you try to render the proprietary data in the embedded file and a converter is not available? It seems like you are adding a layer of obfuscation for the sake of 'future proofing'. It would seem that converting to the actual open standard would be safer if you were really concerned about file compatibility in the future. The include original raw format file option adds the original *in addition to* the DNG raw data. So you get the best of both worlds in terms of compatibility (at the price of doubling the amount of disk space required). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay, that makes more sense. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: David Parsons wrote: What happens when you try to render the proprietary data in the embedded file and a converter is not available? It seems like you are adding a layer of obfuscation for the sake of 'future proofing'. It would seem that converting to the actual open standard would be safer if you were really concerned about file compatibility in the future. The include original raw format file option adds the original *in addition to* the DNG raw data. So you get the best of both worlds in terms of compatibility (at the price of doubling the amount of disk space required). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David's got it... G On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Eric -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com: I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. That was my first thought as well but not being a Lightroom user I wasn't sure if there was something in the database structure that wouldn't allow it to work. In my Studioline image management system I did precisely that when I needed to create a separate backup of the database. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work with Lightroom? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine - here's a video that shows how to find missing or relocated files and folders. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-4/import-moving-folders-around-after-the-fact/ If you have the same structure on both drives, It takes longer to watch the explanation than to do it. Just a tip for people organizing things in Lightroom. Put all of your files and folders under one top level folder. Call it photo library of whatever you would like. This makes it easy to move everything to a different drive. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com: I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. That was my first thought as well but not being a Lightroom user I wasn't sure if there was something in the database structure that wouldn't allow it to work. In my Studioline image management system I did precisely that when I needed to create a separate backup of the database. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work with Lightroom? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
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I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). I think it's time to rethink my workflow and photo management system, and I think I need some tutorials on advanced photo management and catalogues skills. It's to the adobe videos for me, and perhaps a purchase of a book. If anyone knows of a good book for Lightroom 4, I'd appreciate the recommendation. I have the Scott Kelby book for the early Lightroom version (1 or 2 ), and thought it ok, but I found him a bit wordy. If there's another book you'd recommend by a different author who gets right to the point, I'd be very grateful. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:29 AM, George Sinos wrote: Christine - here's a video that shows how to find missing or relocated files and folders. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-4/import-moving-folders-around-after-the-fact/ If you have the same structure on both drives, It takes longer to watch the explanation than to do it. Just a tip for people organizing things in Lightroom. Put all of your files and folders under one top level folder. Call it photo library of whatever you would like. This makes it easy to move everything to a different drive. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com: I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. That was my first thought as well but not being a Lightroom user I wasn't sure if there was something in the database structure that wouldn't allow it to work. In my Studioline image management system I did precisely that when I needed to create a separate backup of the database. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work with Lightroom? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because
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Hi Christine - After you view the videos on adobe's site. Kelby's book is probably all you need. I haven't found any to be more to the point. I'd say get the most recent version. Martin Evening's book is even more detailed. I only use them for reference. One thing you might want to try. Kelbytraining.com has a great video course. I think it's about 8 hours long. You could subscribe for 1 month for $25. They also have free day passes. Get up early, especially on a weekday, and grab a 24 hour free pass. You can watch anything you want for 24 hours. They usually put about 50 of them on the home page every day. It's a little after noon and today's batch is gone. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). I think it's time to rethink my workflow and photo management system, and I think I need some tutorials on advanced photo management and catalogues skills. It's to the adobe videos for me, and perhaps a purchase of a book. If anyone knows of a good book for Lightroom 4, I'd appreciate the recommendation. I have the Scott Kelby book for the early Lightroom version (1 or 2 ), and thought it ok, but I found him a bit wordy. If there's another book you'd recommend by a different author who gets right to the point, I'd be very grateful. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:29 AM, George Sinos wrote: Christine - here's a video that shows how to find missing or relocated files and folders. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-4/import-moving-folders-around-after-the-fact/ If you have the same structure on both drives, It takes longer to watch the explanation than to do it. Just a tip for people organizing things in Lightroom. Put all of your files and folders under one top level folder. Call it photo library of whatever you would like. This makes it easy to move everything to a different drive. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com: I believe there's a rather simpler solution. Your lightroom catalogue has stored within it the location each photo and these of course all point to a drive called Lightroom 1. If your thrid drive reeally is an identical copy of Lightroom 1 then name it identically too (i.e. Lightroom 1), then start Lightroom and it will all just work. That was my first thought as well but not being a Lightroom user I wasn't sure if there was something in the database structure that wouldn't allow it to work. In my Studioline image management system I did precisely that when I needed to create a separate backup of the database. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work with Lightroom? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ David's method perfectly valid but is just a little more involved, needing to relocate the files from within Lightroom. I don't have Lightroom here in front of me but from memory you would right click (or maybe apple or option click on a mac?) on the topmost folder level in the left hand pane and choose locate, then browse to your Lightroom 2 disk in the dialogue that comes up. Eric. On 11 July 2012 09:22, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'm not sure how to simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2. I just tried to figure it out, but I'm lost. The only option I see is to reimport each folder on Lightroom 2 drive into the catalogue, but I'd still have the original missing file and I'd have to rerender the photo. Each individual folder of photos on Lightroom 2 does not appear in the Folders panel on the left hand side of the Library module. It does for Lightroom 1, which was the drive the catalogue was linked to. Is this the problem? Sorry, Dave, for not understanding your directions, but I do appreciate your help, It's late. I think I'll try this again in the morning, but I don't feel confident I'll have better luck. Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:47 AM, David Parsons wrote: Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the catalog and the photo files from their source locations to the Lightroom 3 backup drive). I use ChronoSync by Econ Technologies (OS X only), but any good file synchronizing software utility should work the same. With ChronoSync, I create two synchronizer documents: one synchronizes the image directory tree from Lightroom 2 to Lightroom 3, the other synchronizes the catalog folder from internal drive to Lightroom 2. I then create a container document, put the two synchronizers in it, and set that to run automatically every night or on demand when I need it to. (You still want to have the Lightroom backup run once a week or so as it includes database verification and cleanup in the process. You should set Lightroom to put these backups on the Lightroom 2 volume, in a folder separate from the Photos folder.) I think it's time to rethink my workflow and photo management system, and I think I need some tutorials on advanced photo management and catalogues skills. It's to the adobe videos for me, and perhaps a purchase of a book. If anyone knows of a good book for Lightroom 4, I'd
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the catalog and the photo files from their source locations to the Lightroom 3 backup drive). I use ChronoSync by Econ Technologies (OS X only), but any good file synchronizing software utility should work the same. With ChronoSync, I create two synchronizer documents: one synchronizes the image directory tree from Lightroom 2 to Lightroom 3, the other synchronizes the catalog folder from internal drive to Lightroom 2. I then create a container document, put the two synchronizers in it, and set that to run automatically every night or on demand when I need it to. (You still want to have the Lightroom backup run once a week or so as it includes database verification and cleanup in the process. You should set Lightroom to put
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
If you've got a system based on the rest of the stuff you mention (meaningful file names, etc.) it really doesn't matter which of the particular tools (Bridge, Lightroom, etc.) you choose to implement your solution. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 02:19:36PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the catalog and the photo files from their source locations to the Lightroom 3 backup drive). I use ChronoSync by Econ Technologies (OS X only), but any good file synchronizing software utility should work the same. With ChronoSync, I create two synchronizer documents: one synchronizes the image directory tree from Lightroom 2 to Lightroom 3, the other synchronizes the
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
Paul - I had similar doubts. If you do any significant work outside of the Lightroom/Photoshop sphere, I think bridge is likely a better choice. After all, that's what it was designed for, to be a connector between all of the Adobe products. There are however a couple of considerations if you're mainly using Lightroom/Photoshop and plugins. First, you can use DNG files. That eliminates sidecar files and makes management a bit cleaner. Second, there are two catalog settings that I make sure are checked. They are not by default. The first is Write all Develop settings inside jpeg, tiff and psd files, the other is Automatically write changes to XMP files. With these two turned on, all of your critical data travel with the image file. If your catalog gets corrupted, you can import into a new catalog and you haven't lost the most important data. The Kelby trainers used to recommend that you leave these turned off because turning them on slowed things down. Lately they have done a 180. I have a feeling someone got bit by a catalog crash. I have a feeling that things like collections would be lost, but that would be the same in bridge. In the end, it's a personal decision and each person needs to do what works for them. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
Big thanks, Godfrey. I just ordered the Martin Evening Book. I'll deal with this catalogue mess after a look that this book. I shall also try some of your solutions below--in a few days, that is :-). I'll let everyone know how it goes--or didn't :-) Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the catalog and the photo files from their source locations to the Lightroom 3 backup drive). I use ChronoSync by Econ Technologies (OS X only), but any good file synchronizing software utility should work the same. With ChronoSync, I create two synchronizer documents: one synchronizes the image directory tree from Lightroom 2 to Lightroom 3, the other synchronizes the catalog folder from internal drive to Lightroom 2. I then create a container document, put the two synchronizers in it, and set that to run automatically every night or on demand when I need it to. (You still want to have the Lightroom backup run once a week or so as it includes database verification and cleanup in the
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
Paul, don't let my limited knowledge and bad photo management habits prejudice you against Lightroom :-). Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the catalog and the photo files from their source locations to the Lightroom 3 backup drive). I use ChronoSync by Econ Technologies (OS X only), but any good file synchronizing software utility should work the same. With ChronoSync, I create two synchronizer documents: one synchronizes the image directory tree from Lightroom 2 to Lightroom 3, the other synchronizes the catalog folder from internal drive to Lightroom 2. I then create a container document, put the two synchronizers in it, and set that to run automatically every night or on
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Paul, don't let my limited knowledge and bad photo management habits prejudice you against Lightroom :-). Cheers, Christine On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. There are definitely things that I'd do differently than they are done in lightroom, but by and far I'm extremely impressed by it. The reason that you get this sort of discussion about lightroom so often is because so many people use it. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
My old system was Bridge and Ps. And it was a bit of a mess, with no special place for my edited files and no easy way to locate finished files later. But I thought that it was equivalent to Lr / Ps and not worth the upgrade. How wrong I was. I switched to using Lr / Ps and all the world is comfortable and has a rosy glow to it now. Lightroom sends and receives files to/from Photoshop as layered TIFFs and keeps them visible in the catalog along with all the other RAWs, so everything is neatly kept organized in folders that are quickly searchable. Click on a tag and almost instantly you see all the images tagged that way. Just try a search like that in Bridge. Chuggity, chuggity, chug ... *eventually* you may get results. I've done fruitless 20-minute searches in Bridge. Bleagh. The Lr discussions you see here sometimes are corner cases I think, and I wouldn't let them discourage you. I've worked with Lr a lot now and never encountered any of these issues. I do stuff like temporarily import external images into Lr to do some work, then later remove them. To do that you can create a sub-folder in your images tree then tell Lr to sync that folder and it auto-imports in place. Very nice. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Second, there are two catalog settings that I make sure are checked. They are not by default. The first is Write all Develop settings inside jpeg, tiff and psd files, the other is Automatically write changes to XMP files. With these two turned on, all of your critical data travel with the image file. If your catalog gets corrupted, you can import into a new catalog and you haven't lost the most important data. Personally, I leave them off. They are redundant for my workflow ... I hardly ever use Photoshop anymore and don't use any of the rest of the Creative Suite. I protect myself against loss of data by having an excellent, doubly-redundant backup and archiving system which stores all original image file and maintains catalog backups for me in an automated fashion. I've lost a couple of hard drives along the way, but I've never lost more than a few minutes worth of editing work. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
+1 on John's succinct reply. We're talking about a system recovery situation here, not using Lightroom in the normal circumstances. If your hard drive crashed and you had a scattered backup, you'd be in exactly the same position of Christine but with no other information to help you piece the system back together. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: If you've got a system based on the rest of the stuff you mention (meaningful file names, etc.) it really doesn't matter which of the particular tools (Bridge, Lightroom, etc.) you choose to implement your solution. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 02:19:36PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume Lightroom 3 to back up the directory structure and files. That copies everything to the new hard drive. Do the same thing with the catalog folder. Now you have a complete backup. To KEEP the system backed up, I recommend using external utility software (Lightroom's backup function replicates only the .LRCAT file; you want to backup both the
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
True. But is the scattered backup a function of lightroom? (I admit to being a total dummy in regard to that software.) My bridge backups are merely duplicates (and in some cases, triplicates) of the various drives. if a drive is lost, I can immediately switch to the backup, and subsequently copy it over to a new backup. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: +1 on John's succinct reply. We're talking about a system recovery situation here, not using Lightroom in the normal circumstances. If your hard drive crashed and you had a scattered backup, you'd be in exactly the same position of Christine but with no other information to help you piece the system back together. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: If you've got a system based on the rest of the stuff you mention (meaningful file names, etc.) it really doesn't matter which of the particular tools (Bridge, Lightroom, etc.) you choose to implement your solution. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 02:19:36PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: This thread has reinforced my confidence in a system that depends on Bridge, easily searchable file names and dates, and PhotoShop. Every time I've considered switching to Lightroom, discussions such as this stop me in my tracks. Paul On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I greatly appreciate everyone's help here, but things are a mess with this catalogue. The more I look try to compare the two folder structures on the 2 main drives, the more messy it seems to be. I think I'll ignore this for a few days, and try again when I've stopped weeping :-). Probably a good idea. You sound a bit overwhelmed, it's best not to work through a logical puzzle when you're too emotionally involved. Here's a workflow: First look at the the Lightroom catalog's Folders panel. For every folder in the Folders panel, right- or control-click on it and choose the Show Parent Folder if the option presents itself until all the folder trees are visible back to the top of the volume. If all folders ultimately sit under a single parent, that makes things easier. Now take a look at the Lightroom 2 volume in the Finder (or Windows Navigator if you're running Windows). If you copied the folder tree to your Lightroom 2 hard drive in the course as it was on Lightroom 1, the solution is simple: in Lightroom, control-click on that top-level parent and choose the Update folder location command, then pilot your way to that same folder on Lightroom 2, and choose it. Lightroom should now recognize where all the files are. If you didn't copy the folder tree exactly as it was on Lightroom 1 to Lightroom 2, now you have the more onerous task of finding files and folders, matching them up with the same command as above, to a disparately organized file system. It's doable, and for 8000 files in the catalog it won't take that long if you work methodically and calmly, one group of files at a time. You can usually find groups of files by a key filename and capture date, then set the folder location in Lightroom for that file and all neighboring files will then be recognized. It takes some time, but it's worth it not to lose all your metadata annotations (keywords and such) and any processing you've already applied. As an alternative, the fastest and simplest thing to do to get the whole file repository organized into a single tree is to create a new catalog (don't delete the old catalog folder! and create the catalog folder outside of the old one) and do a mass import. Create a Photos directory at the top level of the external drive, set the import destination starting point to that directory, set Lr to Move the files there, and have it organize the files by capture date on import. It will create a complete subdiirectory tree based on date sequence, rooted at that single folder. If you don't care about metadata annotations and prior processing work (and there are occasions when it isn't important!), the job is done ... go forth, annotate and start editing your images afresh. If you do care about your prior work, the reason to keep the original catalog folder is that once the files are reorganized like this, you can start Lightroom with the old catalog and work through it, hunting up the images by file name and capture date more easily and then set the location in the old catalog properly. In this case, consider the new catalog you used to move the files around into an organized tree to be a temporary, you can discard it. The result of doing this all the way through is that your original files are now in a singly rooted directory tree structure, the catalog has all the appropriate data in it, and from this point on it is easy to maintain. To finish off, drag the entire Photos directory to the new volume
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
No, and we don't know whether Christine's backup is actually scattered, or even how she does her backups. I was speaking to all the possible cases in order to reconnect the LR catalog to an existing set of files. Lightroom does no backup of your image files at all, that is completely up to the user to set up. Its built-in backup facility is designed to manage recovery of the catalog file, the most important bit of the LR system which contains all your annotation and editing work. LR accesses the original image file by reference, wherever and however you like to arrange them. (That's why it cannot back them up: it has no idea what your file system structure is or how to do an efficient backup, it only knows where the files referenced in the catalog are in the file system. ) On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: True. But is the scattered backup a function of lightroom? (I admit to being a total dummy in regard to that software.) My bridge backups are merely duplicates (and in some cases, triplicates) of the various drives. if a drive is lost, I can immediately switch to the backup, and subsequently copy it over to a new backup. Paul -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
My Photo Management Crossroads
Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My Photo Management Crossroads
Do not delete the catalog or the images in the catalog. That will erase any keywording and image editing that you may have done. If the backup (Lightroom 2) has the identical files that Lightroom 1 had, then simply point your catalog to Lightroom 2, and make Lightroom 3 a new backup (I would seriously think about using a different naming scheme). If Lightroom 2 has the same files, but they aren't in the same folder structure, then it will be more tedious to link the files (but infinitely more preferable to re-importing and re-doing all your previous work). On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I'm seeking advice. Here's the situation: 1) I've been using 2 external drives for my photos. I have called these drives Lightroom 1 (main one which has been linked to a catalogue of 8,000 plus photos) and Lightroom 2 (back up). Well, Lightroom 1 stopped responding. It's been replaced, and I have named the replacement external drive Lightroom 3. 2) Now, all the photos in my catalogue of 8,000 plus photos are identified in Lightroom as missing. As Lightroom users know, this is because Lightroom can't find the external drive Lightroom 1 (the drive that died). So, my question is, what would our experienced Lightroom users do in this situation? Would you a) delete all images in the catalogue and reimport from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR b) delete the catalogue itself, create a new catalogue, then import photos from Lightroom 2 (and copy photos to Lightroom 3)? OR c) something different? Also, lately I've been thinking of going through all my photos and really weed out the junk, so I thought that since I have to deal with this photo management mess, I'd also do some weeding at the same time. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
