subject:"OT\: Speaking of nutters..."

Re: OT: Speaking of nutters...

2010-02-22 Thread eckinator

2010/2/22 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:

 So what was HER name wink, wink    ;-]

so... your supermodel... was she a sport, eh? was she a sport? nudge, nudge...

or frank's version: so, uhm... how'bout them Jays?

cheers
ecke

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Re: OT: Speaking of nutters...

2010-02-22 Thread frank theriault

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:

Back it up, Frank.

http://www.thefreeradical.ca/Violent_crime_statistics_Canada.htm
Specifically, Violent crime rate (per 100K) change from 1962-2006:
221 to 951 or a 300%+ increase

vs.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/index.html

You've shown me two completely different reports from two completely
different agencies. I'm supposed to trust statistics and graphs from
something called The Free Radical? Who are they? How accurate is
their information? If you want me to compare and comment on
statistics, get me stats and graphs from the same source, or at least
comparable sources. You're the one who's putting the stats forward,
the burden's on you.

Furthermore, the FBI is known to encourage police departments in the
US to report crime statistics based on the charges filed. So if I'm
charged with battery, that's what gets into the statistics. If I make
a deal with the prosecutor or the charges are dismissed or I'm found
not guilty, it's still in the stats as battery. I have no idea how
this works in Canada, but in GB the statistics are based on the
resolution. I'm sure you figure out where this leads.

EXACTLY! You have no idea how it works in Canada. So you've admitted
that your stats are incomparable, so your initial assertion is
meaningless. In Canada we our calculation of violent crime includes
assaults, including common assault.

According to Statistics Canada:

The violent crime rate declined by 2.2% in 1996, marking the
fourth consecutive annual decrease. Prior to these declines,
the violent crime rate increased for 15 straight years. Much of
this increase is directly attributable to a large increase in the
rate of common assaults (level 1), the least serious form of
assault, which accounts for 6 in 10 violent crimes. Compared to
1986, the 1996 violent crime rate is 24.4% higher. If the category
of assault level 1 is excluded from total violent crime, the increase
drops to only 6.7%.

Source:

http://tinyurl.com/yk28xtp

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/cgi-bin/af-fdr.cgi?l=engloc=http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x1997008-eng.pdft=Canadian%20crime%20statistics,%201996

In the US, violent crimes includes only the more serious assaults
(aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault causing
bodily harm) and does ~not~ include (the much more common) Assault
Level I. So our stats are skewed to look higher than yours.

Again, your sources have compared apples with oranges. You're the one
who asserts that our violent crime rates are higher than yours, the
burden is on you to provide ~meaningful~ statistics to back up your
claim.

I've backed up my statement by showing the fallacy in your argument.

Your mayor has been, very publicly, pointing his finger south for a
while now, blaming the US for all the guns involved in violent crime
in Toronto. The fact is, there are no facts. He's got media reports
and knee-jerking lefties to base it on and that's it.

No, what you said was, their [Canadian] government has gone back to
blaming the US for their crime. We have never, to my knowledge,
blamed the US for our crime. The mayor of Toronto, David Millar, has
stated that most illegal guns in Toronto have been brought up from the
US. Whether he's accurate or not, that's ~far different~ from your
initial assertion. I have problems challenging what you say when you
restate your position mid-argument.

I will agree that Millar said that most (not all as you state) illegal
guns used in the commission of crimes in Toronto were illegally
brought across the border from the US. I don't know how he arrived at
that, and neither do I care. He didn't say what you initially said.

Have a nice day.

Thanks! You, too.

I will, and I hope you do, too!

cheers,
frank

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