Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
From: P. J. Alling On 7/3/2011 1:39 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: William Robb Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. I concur. However, a cheap, flimsy tripod is worse than no tripod at all. That's in the studio. A flimsy tripod with you in the field is better than a heavy tripod you left at the car because it was too heavy to carry. A flimsy tripod with you in the field is simply useless, extra weight to carry. By definition flimsy won't get the job done. You'd actually be better off leaving it in the car. A tripod does not have to be too heavy to carry in order to be sturdy. That's why I specified good is the same as sturdy rather than heavy. In the studio, I'd use a mono stand. Buy a good one, where good == sturdy. Doesn't necessarily have to be expensive, but most of the better ones are. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
Going to force myself to use a monopod out in the field and as far as the studio I don't have to worry as I don't have a studio. I was asked about doing a baby shower in October by a co-worker but honestly not sure if that will happen or not. It might be interesting however I don't want her to be disappointed if the results are not what she expected. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 10:28 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question From: P. J. Alling On 7/3/2011 1:39 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: William Robb Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. I concur. However, a cheap, flimsy tripod is worse than no tripod at all. That's in the studio. A flimsy tripod with you in the field is better than a heavy tripod you left at the car because it was too heavy to carry. A flimsy tripod with you in the field is simply useless, extra weight to carry. By definition flimsy won't get the job done. You'd actually be better off leaving it in the car. A tripod does not have to be too heavy to carry in order to be sturdy. That's why I specified good is the same as sturdy rather than heavy. In the studio, I'd use a mono stand. Buy a good one, where good == sturdy. Doesn't necessarily have to be expensive, but most of the better ones are. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: steve harley On 2011-07-02 19:47 , Bruce Walker wrote: How about just not worrying about it too much, but allow a touch more framing room when you shoot, then level it up during post-processing. It's trivial in Lightroom and just a little more work in Photoshop. Most packages have some sort of leveling functionality (maybe even iPhoto?). note that you lose a little bit of resolution anytime you make such an adjustment; in the majority of cases it may not matter, but it's something a lot of people don't realize Do you lose resolution, or do you just lose some pixels along the edges of the captured image? The K20D viewfinder only shows about 95% of the image frame, so there's always a little slack around the edges of the image I composed. An arbitrary rotation of a couple of degrees to level out the horizon has never cost me pixels in the composed image itself. It's always been confined to the area around the edge that I couldn't see through the viewfinder. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:16 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Do you lose resolution, or do you just lose some pixels along the edges of the captured image? Rotation will cause some loss of resolution (in the sense of lp/mm, not just total number of pixels). Here's a thought experiment: If you rotated an image by 45 degrees, fine vertical or horizontal detail that was just barely resolved in the original image would now lie along the diagonals of the pixels. The pixel pitch along the diagonal is larger by sqrt(2), so those details can no longer be resolved in the new orientation. Obviously, the effect of a small rotation will not be nearly as severe, but you can see how some degradation is likely. Exactly how bad it is will probably depend on the antialiasing filter, demosaicing algorithm, resampling algorithm, sharpening algorithm, and so forth. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: Can't you just use the etched lines of the viewfinder AF guides to help or doesn't the K-r have those? I find it's quite easy to line them up if you have a defined horizon or a vertical object in the field of view. I do this on the K10D, but often find that there's still a residual rotation (~0.5 deg) in the final image. I suspect misalignment of my (stock) viewing screen, but I haven't tested it carefully. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 12:16:52PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: steve harley On 2011-07-02 19:47 , Bruce Walker wrote: How about just not worrying about it too much, but allow a touch more framing room when you shoot, then level it up during post-processing. It's trivial in Lightroom and just a little more work in Photoshop. Most packages have some sort of leveling functionality (maybe even iPhoto?). note that you lose a little bit of resolution anytime you make such an adjustment; in the majority of cases it may not matter, but it's something a lot of people don't realize Do you lose resolution, or do you just lose some pixels along the edges of the captured image? The K20D viewfinder only shows about 95% of the image frame, so there's always a little slack around the edges of the image I composed. An arbitrary rotation of a couple of degrees to level out the horizon has never cost me pixels in the composed image itself. It's always been confined to the area around the edge that I couldn't see through the viewfinder. It doesn't cost you (many) pixels, but it does cost you resolution. Because the pixels don't line up exactly, every pixel in the output image is interpolated from a neighbourhood of pixels in the source. That's basically very similar to blurring the image slightly, which shows up mathematically as a slight decrease in resolution. Don't fret about it unduly - you get the same sort of loss when you resize images (and in the Bayer interpolation, for that matter). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It just gives you a little border of pixels you can crop away once you've straightened the horizon. From: David Parsons Yeah, I was referring to not being able to see the entire frame. It's pretty difficult to frame accurately, in-camera when you can't see the edge of the frame. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-07-03 18:25 , David Parsons wrote: It's kind of hard to have total awareness when you can't see in the viewfinder 100% of what the sensor sees. no one can have total awareness -- it's a practice, not a state but one can practices awareness of the limits of perception and of the limits of one's tools -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? This is one of the features of my K-5 that I most appreciate. Before I got the K-5 I made do with a combination of grid lines on my katzeye screen and one of these: http://www.topsellings.com/en/spirit-level-gradienter-on-camera-flash-hot-shoe-3-axis-p9049.html?language=encurrency=USD -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? same here. I only noticed when I switched on the horizon indicator in the X100. With other cameras, if it's critical then I align the edges of the frame, or the central focusing aid, against something that's trustworthily horizontal or vertical. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was out taking pictures of square tiles yesterday, and even trying to get them level and straight, they dipped to the right. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? same here. I only noticed when I switched on the horizon indicator in the X100. With other cameras, if it's critical then I align the edges of the frame, or the central focusing aid, against something that's trustworthily horizontal or vertical. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I got mega improvement when I started shooting with K-5 K-7. Bodies fit better in the hand, horizon line helps, and skills improved. Cheers, Christine On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? This is one of the features of my K-5 that I most appreciate. Before I got the K-5 I made do with a combination of grid lines on my katzeye screen and one of these: http://www.topsellings.com/en/spirit-level-gradienter-on-camera-flash-hot-shoe-3-axis-p9049.html?language=encurrency=USD -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
From: William Robb On 02/07/2011 7:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. I concur. However, a cheap, flimsy tripod is worse than no tripod at all. Buy a good one, where good == sturdy. Doesn't necessarily have to be expensive, but most of the better ones are. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3740 - Release Date: 07/02/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The problem with that philosophy is you end up with an ever shrinking, self selected minority choosing for you. It actually aggravates the problem. In fact, that's what *they* want you to do, stay home and let their supporters choose for you. It's why elections are the way they are now. *They* want to turn off the voters so the people will just give up on participating. What we really need is to change the way we hold elections. Every race on every ballot should have as one of the choices: NONE OF THE ABOVE. TRY AGAIN STUPID. If NONE OF THE ABOVE is the winner, *they* would have to hold a special election, and none of the candidates on the original ballot would be allowed to stand in the special election. The rejected candidates would not be allowed to run again until the next election cycle. Don't vote at all it only encourages the bastards. On 7/2/2011 10:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Stop voting for Republicans. (;-) On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3740 - Release Date: 07/02/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
On 7/3/2011 1:39 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: William Robb On 02/07/2011 7:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. I concur. However, a cheap, flimsy tripod is worse than no tripod at all. That's in the studio. A flimsy tripod with you in the field is better than a heavy tripod you left at the car because it was too heavy to carry. Buy a good one, where good == sturdy. Doesn't necessarily have to be expensive, but most of the better ones are. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3740 - Release Date: 07/02/11 -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When finances are much better or I get a part time job on top of my regular job then a K5 will just have to wait. I do have a tripod and find it more in the way if I am at the zoo and rather hard to use on the trails. I do however end to make myself use the monopod portion of the tripod. It is two in one so you have the option of using the tripod or monopod separately. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:24 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question I got mega improvement when I started shooting with K-5 K-7. Bodies fit better in the hand, horizon line helps, and skills improved. Cheers, Christine On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? This is one of the features of my K-5 that I most appreciate. Before I got the K-5 I made do with a combination of grid lines on my katzeye screen and one of these: http://www.topsellings.com/en/spirit-level-gradienter-on-camera-flash- hot-shoe-3-axis-p9049.html?language=encurrency=USD -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
On 2011-07-02 19:32 , William Robb wrote: Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. indeed -- i use photography as an awareness practice, and awareness is *hard* when i (quite often) find problems like an unwanted tilt, a bad crop, or a surprise detracting element in my photo i take them as signs that my practice must become more complete, that i need to slow down, that buddha-mind is very sometimes it's hard -- i'm waiting for the breeze to pause and/or a bee to improve its pose and i lose track of the edges of the frame -- but i still treat it as a lifelong practice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question
On 2011-07-02 19:47 , Bruce Walker wrote: How about just not worrying about it too much, but allow a touch more framing room when you shoot, then level it up during post-processing. It's trivial in Lightroom and just a little more work in Photoshop. Most packages have some sort of leveling functionality (maybe even iPhoto?). note that you lose a little bit of resolution anytime you make such an adjustment; in the majority of cases it may not matter, but it's something a lot of people don't realize -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's kind of hard to have total awareness when you can't see in the viewfinder 100% of what the sensor sees. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:02 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-07-02 19:32 , William Robb wrote: Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. indeed -- i use photography as an awareness practice, and awareness is *hard* when i (quite often) find problems like an unwanted tilt, a bad crop, or a surprise detracting element in my photo i take them as signs that my practice must become more complete, that i need to slow down, that buddha-mind is very sometimes it's hard -- i'm waiting for the breeze to pause and/or a bee to improve its pose and i lose track of the edges of the frame -- but i still treat it as a lifelong practice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-07-03 18:25 , David Parsons wrote: It's kind of hard to have total awareness when you can't see in the viewfinder 100% of what the sensor sees. no one can have total awareness -- it's a practice, not a state but one can practices awareness of the limits of perception and of the limits of one's tools -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I was referring to not being able to see the entire frame. It's pretty difficult to frame accurately, in-camera when you can't see the edge of the frame. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-07-03 18:25 , David Parsons wrote: It's kind of hard to have total awareness when you can't see in the viewfinder 100% of what the sensor sees. no one can have total awareness -- it's a practice, not a state but one can practices awareness of the limits of perception and of the limits of one's tools -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It also assumes that level in your viewfinder is level on the sensor. I know that I have a tendency to tilt images, so when I remember I try to correct myself. But sometimes, evenm when I'm sure that I've been scrupulously careful in lining up a vertical object with the edge of the frame, I end up with a distinctly noticeable tilt in the result. Nowadays, of course, it would be hard to get a 100% viewfinder; just where the sensor is in the frame can vary quite a bit when SR is used. On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:25:39PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: It's kind of hard to have total awareness when you can't see in the viewfinder 100% of what the sensor sees. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:02 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-07-02 19:32 , William Robb wrote: Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. indeed -- i use photography as an awareness practice, and awareness is *hard* when i (quite often) find problems like an unwanted tilt, a bad crop, or a surprise detracting element in my photo i take them as signs that my practice must become more complete, that i need to slow down, that buddha-mind is very sometimes it's hard -- i'm waiting for the breeze to pause and/or a bee to improve its pose and i lose track of the edges of the frame -- but i still treat it as a lifelong practice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Put a heel lift in your right shoe. Or use the grid lines on the focus screen as a reference. On 3 July 2011 09:05, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Get a grid screen, I find it helps. On 7/2/2011 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David: Will give the heel lift a try tomorrow morning when I go out to Radnor Lake. I will also attempt and force myself to look at the lines that are on the focus screen. PJ: Live view has the grid but I find (even though when I first got the K-R I thought I would enjoy the live view) I rarely if ever use live view. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question Get a grid screen, I find it helps. On 7/2/2011 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The heel lift is only semi serious...I don't really recommend, it as it can cause back problems. I've always had a problem with leaning to the left, and unless I concentrated my photos showed this. When my back flared up last year, it was discovered through physio treatment that I have a greater than average difference in leg length (left leg is shorter), this was putting stress on my lower back. A consult with a podiatrist confirmed this I was measured up for custom shoe inserts. Now my back is all good, and my horizons tend to be straighter (Brain W. will be pleased). DS On 3 July 2011 09:16, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: David: Will give the heel lift a try tomorrow morning when I go out to Radnor Lake. I will also attempt and force myself to look at the lines that are on the focus screen. PJ: Live view has the grid but I find (even though when I first got the K-R I thought I would enjoy the live view) I rarely if ever use live view. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question Get a grid screen, I find it helps. On 7/2/2011 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/07/2011 7:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Live view on the K20D is pretty painful but it too has a grid when in use, but an actual grid screen for the K-r, the physical size is the same as for the *ist-D/Ds/Ds2 so you can use the LL-60 screen. The focus should be the same, though it might make it a bit dimmer. I don't know for sure. I believe that the camera is even designed so that the screen is user replaceable, (though it's not mentioned anywhere in the manual AFIK). On 7/2/2011 9:16 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: David: Will give the heel lift a try tomorrow morning when I go out to Radnor Lake. I will also attempt and force myself to look at the lines that are on the focus screen. PJ: Live view has the grid but I find (even though when I first got the K-R I thought I would enjoy the live view) I rarely if ever use live view. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question Get a grid screen, I find it helps. On 7/2/2011 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-07-02 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ I honestly thought this was going to be a right-brain vs left-brain question; eg emotional vs analytical. :-) How about just not worrying about it too much, but allow a touch more framing room when you shoot, then level it up during post-processing. It's trivial in Lightroom and just a little more work in Photoshop. Most packages have some sort of leveling functionality (maybe even iPhoto?). I've found myself getting better at level horizons as I shoot. I used to be quite sloppy and have to consciously consider it. Now fully level shots just seem to happen for me. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William: LOL I do look through the view finder. I have a tripod but honestly when I am out in the wilds I rarely take it with me and I did a couple of times at the zoo but find way to many people around and when shooting through the fences harder when using a tripod. I hold the camera firmly as possible with both hands. David: Oh my... I don't believe I have the same issue but I do have high arches which causes me to have to get a 1/2 inch longer shoe than normal. PJ: Thanks for the advice on the screen and yes they are made to where one can replace them though that is not an expense for me right now so will just need to make myself work with what is on the K-R. Bruce: Not per say worrying about it but find it more of an annoyance. I have taken what I consider a nice photo today and I have very little wiggle room to correct it in PP. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question On 02/07/2011 7:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Look through the viewfinder before you push the button? Seriously, it isn't hard to see if the camera is crooked. If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't have a tripod, you should be considering one as your very nect photographic purchase. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stop voting for Republicans. (;-) On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL Okay will give that a try and see if that works -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question Stop voting for Republicans. (;-) On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:05 -0500, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Can't you just use the etched lines of the viewfinder AF guides to help or doesn't the K-r have those? I find it's quite easy to line them up if you have a defined horizon or a vertical object in the field of view. If that fails, just rotate and crop the image in post. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't vote at all it only encourages the bastards. On 7/2/2011 10:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Stop voting for Republicans. (;-) On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian: It does have them but I find I am seeing that it is in focus and not paying attention to those lines. I may try to turn off the focus indicator in the view finder and see if it helps in making me focus in on the lines. ___ You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:05 -0500, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? Can't you just use the etched lines of the viewfinder AF guides to help or doesn't the K-r have those? I find it's quite easy to line them up if you have a defined horizon or a vertical object in the field of view. If that fails, just rotate and crop the image in post. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/07/2011 8:06 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: William: LOL I do look through the view finder. I have a tripod but honestly when I am out in the wilds I rarely take it with me and I did a couple of times at the zoo but find way to many people around and when shooting through the fences harder when using a tripod. I hold the camera firmly as possible with both hands. Try a looser grip. Seriously. Have you tried a monopod? Also, how do you hold your camera? Is it the traditional cradling of the camera with the left hand? Or do you do the two handed grip thing? Bruce: Not per say worrying about it but find it more of an annoyance. I have taken what I consider a nice photo today and I have very little wiggle room to correct it in PP. A temporary fix would be to crop a smidge on the loose side. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/07/2011 8:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Stop voting for Republicans. (;-) Wiser words I have not seen. :) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I hold and take photo with right hand and left hand is under the lens supporting it and the camera. Yeah I have attempted monopod and need to practice using it more often. I may actually take it along with me in the morning on my Radnor Lake journey. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:55 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Or Perhaps not as it is Photo related question On 02/07/2011 8:06 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: William: LOL I do look through the view finder. I have a tripod but honestly when I am out in the wilds I rarely take it with me and I did a couple of times at the zoo but find way to many people around and when shooting through the fences harder when using a tripod. I hold the camera firmly as possible with both hands. Try a looser grip. Seriously. Have you tried a monopod? Also, how do you hold your camera? Is it the traditional cradling of the camera with the left hand? Or do you do the two handed grip thing? Bruce: Not per say worrying about it but find it more of an annoyance. I have taken what I consider a nice photo today and I have very little wiggle room to correct it in PP. A temporary fix would be to crop a smidge on the loose side. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/3/2011 04:05, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I am discovering that I am tending to lean toward my right side when I am taking photos. This is not always the case but I do discover when looking at photos that some do tend to lean toward the right more. My K-R does not come with an on screen visible leveler, which would be handy, so I suppose my question: How best do I go about forcing myself to level out my photos? I hope all that made sense.. Jeffery Jeffery, the boundaries of your viewfinder are straight lines. Also you can use the focus area brackets in the viewfinder. Once you align either verticals or horizontals, only minimal physical motion of your hands is necessary for final framing. You could probably make it without breaking the alignment. Also, your camera viewfinder does not have 100% coverage. Thus, there is a bit of space left on each side that you don't see. You can use it to correct reasonably small angles. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
