Re: PESO: Glenn
Nice portrait, but the blown out jukebox is very distracting. I would clone it out completely. Cheers, Christine On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
Nice portrait, Walt, but the blown out juke box is very distracting. I would try to clone it out completely. Cheers, Christine On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I agree its a great portrait of the gentleman but overall the image is greatly degraded by such a large bright background distraction. Count me as a vote for slightly degraded, not worth changing because the rest is so great, didn't even really notice it until other people complained. For me, it's the shadow of the right eye (with the eye itself glaring out) that really draws my attention and makes the picture, it would be worse if the lighting had been improved as some people suggested. Particularly in a collection, you are likely to have other shots with the jukebox, so it becomes an essential part of the background feel. Don't even think of adding color IMO. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013, Walt wrote: I don't think I'll be able to salvage the shot unless I go to a vertical crop and just lop off the blown out section, but it's just not as good an image in that orientation. And, sadly, I completely lack the Photoshop skills to fix it. Ah, well -- what coulda been. Honestly, you really gotta stop beating on yourself! -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013, Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 April 2013 07:45, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Walt, It's a real glimpse into the man's persona regardless of thew Pacman on his shoulder :) LOL! Now *that's* what it was reminding me of. (Actually, looks more like a blurry R2D2 to me.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/27/2013 8:29 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I agree its a great portrait of the gentleman but overall the image is greatly degraded by such a large bright background distraction. Count me as a vote for slightly degraded, not worth changing because the rest is so great, didn't even really notice it until other people complained. For me, it's the shadow of the right eye (with the eye itself glaring out) that really draws my attention and makes the picture, it would be worse if the lighting had been improved as some people suggested. Particularly in a collection, you are likely to have other shots with the jukebox, so it becomes an essential part of the background feel. Don't even think of adding color IMO. Thank you, Aahz. I completely agree about keeping it bw. The image loses all its impact in color -- to my eye, at least. As for the exposure issues, I've always taken a fairly conservative approach to fixing that kind of stuff, albeit purely out of necessity. Since I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to such things, I've found that most of my attempts to fix exposure problems end up rendering the image unusable. So, I generally opt to leave the flaws in (when I notice them) and hope they sneak by. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
Thank you very much, Dave! I do like the idea of putting together a book, though I still have a hard time imagining any one my photos hanging on a wall. But, as a collection, I'm a little more inclined toward the idea. It could take me a little while to get enough images to try something like that, but it's definitely a goal worth working toward. Thanks for the germ! -- Walt On 4/26/2013 9:45 PM, David Savage wrote: I agree don't change anything. This is brilliant environmental portrait. If you're not thinking along theses lines already, let me put the germ of the idea in your head. With this and some of the other shots you've posted from the bar, you have the makings for a project of environmental portraits of bar staff patrons in their environment that would look cool in a book or hanging on a gallery wall. Cheers, Dave On 27 April 2013 00:54, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/26/2013 11:05 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! I'm with Rick. Don't change a thing. This is a stunning environmental portrait. Thanks so much, Mark. That's the kind of photography I enjoy more than any other. If I could focus on one genre, that would be it. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/26/2013 9:33 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 April 2013 07:45, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Walt, It's a real glimpse into the man's persona regardless of thew Pacman on his shoulder :) Cheers, Thank you, Rob. What I liked about the photo was the fact that it actually captured what I see on a typical workday. Once I saw the expression in his eyes and realized that I'd gotten what I was looking for, the exposure problems didn't even register with me until I started processing it. At that point, they didn't seem severe enough to risk ruining the whole shot with a ham-handed attempt at correcting them, so I just decided to let them stand. I may still tweak it a little here and there, but not much. Thanks again! -- Walt -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On 4/27/2013 8:30 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013, Walt wrote: I don't think I'll be able to salvage the shot unless I go to a vertical crop and just lop off the blown out section, but it's just not as good an image in that orientation. And, sadly, I completely lack the Photoshop skills to fix it. Ah, well -- what coulda been. Honestly, you really gotta stop beating on yourself! I'll try. It won't be easy, though. I'm mortified by the thought that I'm going to produce a shot that I think is great, only to find out that it's crap. So, I err on the side of crap when I judge my own work. That way, no disappointment. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
Really resonant portrait, Walt. I wouldn't fuss with the background - I like the edgy tension of it. He looks like King Lear On 25/04/2013 7:45 AM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW I tend to agree with Rick on this - the big blob isn't all that bad given the strength of the main subject. My problem when I first saw the image was that I didn't know that the blob is a jukebox, and so it was more distracting than it might have been - I puzzled over the source of the blob rather than looking at Glen. Some suggested burning in the area of the jukebox, still others suggested that it might not work given the blown highlights. As a less-than-expert LR technician myself, I would probably take a more brute force approach. At least on my screen most of the background looks uniformly black. I would use the clone tool, grabbing large chunks of that black background and covering over the juke box and the light above Glen's head. Leaving you with just Glen against a mostly black background, as though you had done a studio shot with a black backdrop. It may or may not work, but it is worth spending an hour playing with it because a) you might get a drastically improved portrait, and b) you'll have gained an hour's practice in using one of the tools. stan - Original Message - From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! I'm with Rick. Don't change a thing. This is a stunning environmental portrait. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very nice portrait, he does look grim (and he has nice wrinkles). The jukebox, while a nice counter point to his head, is a bit bright. Since it is on black, it wouldn't be hard to select that area and mute it down a bit (gray it down). This is a long thread, so now I'll read it and see if someone else recommended the same thing. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/24/2013 2:44:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ldott...@gmail.com writes: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On 4/25/2013 3:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:57:45PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think you'll get good results with matrix, Walt. You've got a similar challenge as in stage performance shooting. You've got a low-key environment, much of it in darkness, punctuated with bright spot lights and internally lit objects (eg the jukebox). If you go matrix metering I think you'll generally end up with very dark faces and well exposed jukeboxes. :-) I'd consider going for spot metering. When I'm shooting stage performers I consider their face to be be key and I spot meter off that. Then I add two thirds of a stop because caucasian skin isn't 18% grey. That gets me pretty good exposures. This will get you blown out jukeboxes unfortunately, but you need to take other steps to deal with that, like different framing, getting it behind your subject, or fixing in post. Walt, you are there every day. The lights don't move around. You should know that if someone sits at the bar under the light, the exposure will be ISO 6400, f/4 at 1/50 sec, if they are at the table in the corner where that cute girl sits, it's ISO 10,000, f/1.8 at 1/20. If you want a shot with the jukebox not blown out, your option may be to expose for the jukebox and just use a little bit of fill flash. My suggestion is to set up lights so that one particular spot at the bar is nicely lit. In that shot of Glenn, if you set up another, dimmer light that just happend to provide a bit of fill and soften the shadows, that would work. I also suggest that you put a pink frilly barstool there so that it will be favored by the distaff set. Just sayin'. All excellent suggestions, Larry! (Especially the pink, frilly barstool.) Thanks for the tips! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/26/2013 8:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW I tend to agree with Rick on this - the big blob isn't all that bad given the strength of the main subject. My problem when I first saw the image was that I didn't know that the blob is a jukebox, and so it was more distracting than it might have been - I puzzled over the source of the blob rather than looking at Glen. Some suggested burning in the area of the jukebox, still others suggested that it might not work given the blown highlights. As a less-than-expert LR technician myself, I would probably take a more brute force approach. At least on my screen most of the background looks uniformly black. I would use the clone tool, grabbing large chunks of that black background and covering over the juke box and the light above Glen's head. Leaving you with just Glen against a mostly black background, as though you had done a studio shot with a black backdrop. It may or may not work, but it is worth spending an hour playing with it because a) you might get a drastically improved portrait, and b) you'll have gained an hour's practice in using one of the tools. stan Thank you, Stan. I'm slowly learning Lightroom -- very slowly, in fact. It's so different from anything I've used in the past, I still haven't really gotten the hang of navigating it. I've gotten some very helpful suggestions, though, and I think I can rescue the image with a little practice. Thanks for the suggestions. I may make something out of it yet! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On 4/26/2013 11:05 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! I'm with Rick. Don't change a thing. This is a stunning environmental portrait. Thanks so much, Mark. That's the kind of photography I enjoy more than any other. If I could focus on one genre, that would be it. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Walt wrote: On 4/26/2013 8:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I've gotten some very helpful suggestions, though, and I think I can rescue the image with a little practice. Not rescue, improve. It's a great image as it is, the jukebox is no fatal flaw. Thanks for the suggestions. I may make something out of it yet! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
Thank you, Derby. I think if I can get that brightness knocked down without making the fix-up job look too obvious, it would really benefit the shot. But, if I can't, it won't be the end of the world and I'll still like it despite its imperfections. -- Walt On 4/26/2013 6:58 AM, Derby Chang wrote: Really resonant portrait, Walt. I wouldn't fuss with the background - I like the edgy tension of it. He looks like King Lear On 25/04/2013 7:45 AM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/26/2013 11:53 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Walt wrote: On 4/26/2013 8:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I've gotten some very helpful suggestions, though, and I think I can rescue the image with a little practice. Not rescue, improve. It's a great image as it is, the jukebox is no fatal flaw. Thanks again, Larry. Improve is the best word. I like the shot as-is, but with its flaws having pointed out, it's like the man-hands on Jerry's date in the Seinfeld episode. ;) -- Walt Thanks for the suggestions. I may make something out of it yet! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: It may or may not work, but it is worth spending an hour playing with it because a) you might get a drastically improved portrait, and b) you'll have gained an hour's practice in using one of the tools. stan That right there is one of the main reasons I do post-work on images, even sub-optimal ones (I have mostly those). When you come up with a great image that could be improved just that little bit to make it awesome, you're ready -- first to know what needs doing, and second how to go about it. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree its a great portrait of the gentleman but overall the image is greatly degraded by such a large bright background distraction. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: PESO: Glenn Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! I'm with Rick. Don't change a thing. This is a stunning environmental portrait. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 25 April 2013 07:45, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Walt, It's a real glimpse into the man's persona regardless of thew Pacman on his shoulder :) Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glenn
I agree don't change anything. This is brilliant environmental portrait. If you're not thinking along theses lines already, let me put the germ of the idea in your head. With this and some of the other shots you've posted from the bar, you have the makings for a project of environmental portraits of bar staff patrons in their environment that would look cool in a book or hanging on a gallery wall. Cheers, Dave On 27 April 2013 00:54, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/26/2013 11:05 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! I'm with Rick. Don't change a thing. This is a stunning environmental portrait. Thanks so much, Mark. That's the kind of photography I enjoy more than any other. If I could focus on one genre, that would be it. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't find the jukebox as distracting as the black hole between his nose his right eye. From: Walt Thanks, Jeffery. The jukebox wasn't quite as distracting in the color version -- the colorful lighting was actually kind of pleasant. But, I thought the subject called for a b/w rendering. Hopefully, I'll figure out how to use dodge and burn soon and these kinds of issues will be less of a problem in the future. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:03 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I agree it did capture his grimness. I like it but for me personally the jukebox in the back is a tad distracting. On 4/24/2013 4:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Keep this shot in mind and the next time move a couple of feet to your left so the jukebox is hidden behind your victim's... ahem, I mean your subject's ... head. From: Walt Thanks, Bruce. I went back and started from scratch in Lightroom, and it's pretty apparent that the jukebox lights are blown out. I don't think I'll be able to salvage the shot unless I go to a vertical crop and just lop off the blown out section, but it's just not as good an image in that orientation. And, sadly, I completely lack the Photoshop skills to fix it. Ah, well -- what coulda been. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:12 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I agree with Frank that the jukebox is competing too successfully with your subject. The Lightroom adjustment brush can be used very nicely to alter the exposure of stuff, but I would caution you about something that I suspect exists here: blown out areas. Blown out areas are where the pixels have been clipped to full-white by the sensor (because they were too bright to be represented at that exposure setting). If you attempt to reduce the exposure of a blown out area, it will simply turn into an ugly featureless grey area, like a grey stain on the image. Luckily you are converting to BW so the result won't look as bad as it does in colour, but it may still look rather bogus, lacking grain for instance. In that case to do a good job you'd need to pull your image into Photoshop and use the healing or clone brush over the object to give it some texture and body. Then it could be darkened and still look real. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was unhappy about that, too, but thought the image was worth keeping in spite of it. The jukebox didn't stand out to me nearly as much as the shadow on the eye. I'll keep working on it and maybe get something salvageable. Thanks for the input! -- Walt On 4/25/2013 12:08 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I didn't find the jukebox as distracting as the black hole between his nose his right eye. From: Walt Thanks, Jeffery. The jukebox wasn't quite as distracting in the color version -- the colorful lighting was actually kind of pleasant. But, I thought the subject called for a b/w rendering. Hopefully, I'll figure out how to use dodge and burn soon and these kinds of issues will be less of a problem in the future. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:03 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I agree it did capture his grimness. I like it but for me personally the jukebox in the back is a tad distracting. On 4/24/2013 4:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I will definitely account for it in the future. I always show the photo to the victim and delete it if they ask me to. To be honest, I can't think of any other way to catch people at unguarded moments. -- Walt On 4/25/2013 12:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Keep this shot in mind and the next time move a couple of feet to your left so the jukebox is hidden behind your victim's... ahem, I mean your subject's ... head. From: Walt Thanks, Bruce. I went back and started from scratch in Lightroom, and it's pretty apparent that the jukebox lights are blown out. I don't think I'll be able to salvage the shot unless I go to a vertical crop and just lop off the blown out section, but it's just not as good an image in that orientation. And, sadly, I completely lack the Photoshop skills to fix it. Ah, well -- what coulda been. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:12 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I agree with Frank that the jukebox is competing too successfully with your subject. The Lightroom adjustment brush can be used very nicely to alter the exposure of stuff, but I would caution you about something that I suspect exists here: blown out areas. Blown out areas are where the pixels have been clipped to full-white by the sensor (because they were too bright to be represented at that exposure setting). If you attempt to reduce the exposure of a blown out area, it will simply turn into an ugly featureless grey area, like a grey stain on the image. Luckily you are converting to BW so the result won't look as bad as it does in colour, but it may still look rather bogus, lacking grain for instance. In that case to do a good job you'd need to pull your image into Photoshop and use the healing or clone brush over the object to give it some texture and body. Then it could be darkened and still look real. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think you'll get good results with matrix, Walt. You've got a similar challenge as in stage performance shooting. You've got a low-key environment, much of it in darkness, punctuated with bright spot lights and internally lit objects (eg the jukebox). If you go matrix metering I think you'll generally end up with very dark faces and well exposed jukeboxes. :-) I'd consider going for spot metering. When I'm shooting stage performers I consider their face to be be key and I spot meter off that. Then I add two thirds of a stop because caucasian skin isn't 18% grey. That gets me pretty good exposures. This will get you blown out jukeboxes unfortunately, but you need to take other steps to deal with that, like different framing, getting it behind your subject, or fixing in post. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Dan. I can't help wondering if I should have used matrix metering instead center-weighted average on it, which is what I usually keep it on when shooting at work. I need to do more experimenting. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The portrait is quite strong and effective, but the bright object on his left shoulder is distracting. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:57:45PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: I don't think you'll get good results with matrix, Walt. You've got a similar challenge as in stage performance shooting. You've got a low-key environment, much of it in darkness, punctuated with bright spot lights and internally lit objects (eg the jukebox). If you go matrix metering I think you'll generally end up with very dark faces and well exposed jukeboxes. :-) I'd consider going for spot metering. When I'm shooting stage performers I consider their face to be be key and I spot meter off that. Then I add two thirds of a stop because caucasian skin isn't 18% grey. That gets me pretty good exposures. This will get you blown out jukeboxes unfortunately, but you need to take other steps to deal with that, like different framing, getting it behind your subject, or fixing in post. Walt, you are there every day. The lights don't move around. You should know that if someone sits at the bar under the light, the exposure will be ISO 6400, f/4 at 1/50 sec, if they are at the table in the corner where that cute girl sits, it's ISO 10,000, f/1.8 at 1/20. If you want a shot with the jukebox not blown out, your option may be to expose for the jukebox and just use a little bit of fill flash. My suggestion is to set up lights so that one particular spot at the bar is nicely lit. In that shot of Glenn, if you set up another, dimmer light that just happend to provide a bit of fill and soften the shadows, that would work. I also suggest that you put a pink frilly barstool there so that it will be favored by the distaff set. Just sayin'. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 04:45:46PM -0500, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. The harshness of the light works to good effect in this shot. Very well done. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. The K-5 is nice, but nothing spectacular in broad daylight, but when the lights go down, it performs brilliantly, I could aspire to doing as well myself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/24/2013 4:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 04:45:46PM -0500, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. The harshness of the light works to good effect in this shot. Very well done. Thanks, Larry! The lighting in the place is just awful, especially at the bar where the bulbs are situated directly over the heads of the patrons. The K-5 is nice, but nothing spectacular in broad daylight, but when the lights go down, it performs brilliantly, I could aspire to doing as well myself. Ha! I can definitely sympathize. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you, Frank! There's even a bit of irony in the jukebox's presence in the shot. Glenn *hates* the jukebox, and we've butted heads over it many times in the past. I'll see what I can do with burning it. I have never quite gotten a grasp on how to do that. I'll look into some Lightroom tutorials and try my hand at it. Thanks for the input! -- Walt On 4/24/2013 4:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice. Still a good looking man. Fix him up with a good looking lady! Paul On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 04:45:46PM -0500, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. The harshness of the light works to good effect in this shot. Very well done. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. The K-5 is nice, but nothing spectacular in broad daylight, but when the lights go down, it performs brilliantly, I could aspire to doing as well myself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:29:05PM -0500, Walt wrote: Thank you, Frank! There's even a bit of irony in the jukebox's presence in the shot. Glenn *hates* the jukebox, and we've butted heads over it many times in the past. I'll see what I can do with burning it. I have never quite gotten a grasp on how to do that. I'll look into some Lightroom tutorials and try my hand at it. The burn tool is also called the adjustment brush. In Develop, it's in the upper right, and looks like a paintbrush. To start with, zoom in on what you want to burn, click on the brush, a menu will show up, slide exposure all the way as negative as it can go. adjust the size of the brush set flow to 100% and brush over what you want to burn, you'll get a very dark bit on the screen showing where the mask is. Once you have the object masked, you can adjust the exposure slider until it is as dark as you want. That's the brute force way of doing it. You can also set it to a more reasonable amount of darkening, set the flow to a smaller amount and just brush on darkening, until it's where you want. This way you can darken the edges a little bit by brushing them slightly, and the center more. Likewise, when setting the size of the brush, you can set it to feather the edges, where the center circle gets all of the flo and the outside circle gets increasingly less. The third thing you can play with is the auto mask where it will only do the brush on stuff that match the color of the point in the center. I wouldn't worry about using that right now. Now that I've given you a quick and easy explanation of how to do it, I think I can count on the experts on the list to correct me. For what it's worth, in the darkroom, we'd do the same thing by punchng a hole in a piece of cardboard, and exposing the print a bit longer by moving the hole around the area we wanted to burn in. To make it lighter, we'd do something very similar except we'd use a small piece of cardboard to dodge, i.e. block the light while we were exposing the rest of the image. BTW, when using the adjustment brush on shots in color to de-emphasize something in the background, in an otherwise dark room, you can also dial down the saturation. Thanks for the input! -- Walt On 4/24/2013 4:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Paul. He cleans up nice, but getting him to do so sometimes requires intervention. I'm sure a lady would do him wonders if he could find one that could put up with him. The man is a handful. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 6:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Nice. Still a good looking man. Fix him up with a good looking lady! Paul On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 04:45:46PM -0500, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. The harshness of the light works to good effect in this shot. Very well done. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. The K-5 is nice, but nothing spectacular in broad daylight, but when the lights go down, it performs brilliantly, I could aspire to doing as well myself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree it did capture his grimness. I like it but for me personally the jukebox in the back is a tad distracting. On 4/24/2013 4:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- Jeffery Johnson Photo Captures by Jeffery http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/24/2013 6:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The burn tool is also called the adjustment brush. In Develop, it's in the upper right, and looks like a paintbrush. To start with, zoom in on what you want to burn, click on the brush, a menu will show up, slide exposure all the way as negative as it can go. adjust the size of the brush set flow to 100% and brush over what you want to burn, you'll get a very dark bit on the screen showing where the mask is. Once you have the object masked, you can adjust the exposure slider until it is as dark as you want. That's the brute force way of doing it. You can also set it to a more reasonable amount of darkening, set the flow to a smaller amount and just brush on darkening, until it's where you want. This way you can darken the edges a little bit by brushing them slightly, and the center more. Likewise, when setting the size of the brush, you can set it to feather the edges, where the center circle gets all of the flo and the outside circle gets increasingly less. The third thing you can play with is the auto mask where it will only do the brush on stuff that match the color of the point in the center. I wouldn't worry about using that right now. Now that I've given you a quick and easy explanation of how to do it, I think I can count on the experts on the list to correct me. For what it's worth, in the darkroom, we'd do the same thing by punchng a hole in a piece of cardboard, and exposing the print a bit longer by moving the hole around the area we wanted to burn in. To make it lighter, we'd do something very similar except we'd use a small piece of cardboard to dodge, i.e. block the light while we were exposing the rest of the image. BTW, when using the adjustment brush on shots in color to de-emphasize something in the background, in an otherwise dark room, you can also dial down the saturation. Thanks for all the tips, Larry! I've always been leery of using anything beyond the very basic stuff because I just don't have a sense for how it works. I really should have learned all this stuff a long time ago, but I've always been completely baffled by brushes. It'd be great if there were a Lightroom class at one of the local technical schools, but being such a small area, there wouldn't be enough demand to justify it. I'll try my hand at these tips and maybe I'll learn to use some of the other brush functions once I get reasonably comfortable. Thanks again! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Jeffery. The jukebox wasn't quite as distracting in the color version -- the colorful lighting was actually kind of pleasant. But, I thought the subject called for a b/w rendering. Hopefully, I'll figure out how to use dodge and burn soon and these kinds of issues will be less of a problem in the future. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:03 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I agree it did capture his grimness. I like it but for me personally the jukebox in the back is a tad distracting. On 4/24/2013 4:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Frank that the jukebox is competing too successfully with your subject. The Lightroom adjustment brush can be used very nicely to alter the exposure of stuff, but I would caution you about something that I suspect exists here: blown out areas. Blown out areas are where the pixels have been clipped to full-white by the sensor (because they were too bright to be represented at that exposure setting). If you attempt to reduce the exposure of a blown out area, it will simply turn into an ugly featureless grey area, like a grey stain on the image. Luckily you are converting to BW so the result won't look as bad as it does in colour, but it may still look rather bogus, lacking grain for instance. In that case to do a good job you'd need to pull your image into Photoshop and use the healing or clone brush over the object to give it some texture and body. Then it could be darkened and still look real. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hum I wonder how it would look then to have him in black and white and the rest of photo not in full on bright colors but a muted tone. On 4/24/2013 7:13 PM, Walt wrote: Thanks, Jeffery. The jukebox wasn't quite as distracting in the color version -- the colorful lighting was actually kind of pleasant. But, I thought the subject called for a b/w rendering. Hopefully, I'll figure out how to use dodge and burn soon and these kinds of issues will be less of a problem in the future. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:03 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: I agree it did capture his grimness. I like it but for me personally the jukebox in the back is a tad distracting. On 4/24/2013 4:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- Jeffery Johnson Photo Captures by Jeffery http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The portrait is quite strong and effective, but the bright object on his left shoulder is distracting. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Bruce. I went back and started from scratch in Lightroom, and it's pretty apparent that the jukebox lights are blown out. I don't think I'll be able to salvage the shot unless I go to a vertical crop and just lop off the blown out section, but it's just not as good an image in that orientation. And, sadly, I completely lack the Photoshop skills to fix it. Ah, well -- what coulda been. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:12 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I agree with Frank that the jukebox is competing too successfully with your subject. The Lightroom adjustment brush can be used very nicely to alter the exposure of stuff, but I would caution you about something that I suspect exists here: blown out areas. Blown out areas are where the pixels have been clipped to full-white by the sensor (because they were too bright to be represented at that exposure setting). If you attempt to reduce the exposure of a blown out area, it will simply turn into an ugly featureless grey area, like a grey stain on the image. Luckily you are converting to BW so the result won't look as bad as it does in colour, but it may still look rather bogus, lacking grain for instance. In that case to do a good job you'd need to pull your image into Photoshop and use the healing or clone brush over the object to give it some texture and body. Then it could be darkened and still look real. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That's a great photo! Like the way the jukebox in the background mirrors his head position, but I might burn it just a little bit. None the less this is an amazing portrait. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com Sent: April 24, 2013 4/24/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Excellent portrait, kind of stark but full of character. Mark On 4/24/2013 5:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you, Rick. I will say that I don't take any of the suggestions negatively, though. I did solicit the comments and suggestions, and people offered them in good faith. It didn't jump out at me, either -- but once it was pointed out, it's more glaring. And I do appreciate the pointers as they help me to pay closer attention in the future. That said, I figure it's just one of the hazards of trying to play street photographer inside a dark bar with atrocious lighting. All things considered, I still like the image and was pleased that I was able to get the shot off before he had time to turn his head or throw his hands up, which is what he usually does. I had just enough time to get his attention and trip the shutter. I guess it's a dark part of my personality, but I do love capturing shots of people with hard lives etched on their faces. And I guess that causes me to pay too little attention to what's going on in the background. Thanks again. I appreciate the kind words. I'm happy with the shot overall, and can accept the imperfections as part of the learning process and use them as encouragement to do better work in the future. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 8:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, hell, Walt; I don't know what all the fussing is about. It's a great portrait of a despairing guy. Yeah, there's the bright thing near his left shoulder, but so what? It's wy out of focus, and the face is so well captured that the bright thing didn't distract me at all. In fact, I had to go back to the photo to see what people were bitchin' about. Strong work! Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: PESO: Glenn Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Dan. I can't help wondering if I should have used matrix metering instead center-weighted average on it, which is what I usually keep it on when shooting at work. I need to do more experimenting. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 7:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The portrait is quite strong and effective, but the bright object on his left shoulder is distracting. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you, Mark. That's how I tend to like my portrait shots. If the subject isn't conventionally beautiful, I tend to focus on the features that help tell the person's story. -- Walt On 4/24/2013 8:37 PM, Mark C wrote: Excellent portrait, kind of stark but full of character. Mark On 4/24/2013 5:45 PM, Walt wrote: Here's another one of my workplace shots, this one of a daily customer. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8678146012/ K-5, FA 50/1.4, ISO 6400, 1/60 Glenn was as much a preening dandy as you could imagine just a few years ago. Since then, his longtime live-in girlfriend left him and he's thrown in the towel over the past couple of years. I thought this shot captured the grimness of his descent. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Thanks! -- Walt P/S: The K-5 is still impressing the hell out of me in low light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
