Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Christine - wel think a lot alike on these things...
I would be unlikely to shoot more than 200 either and would, like
you probably rather have more 8 gb cards than one 32 normally. Though in 
the situation I'll be in, with not a lot of time to chimp - and being 
all thumbs ..  what I might do though, is shoot the wedding
on once card and tuck it away before the reception and then if I feel 
like grabbing a few at the reception that I can't resist on a second card.


Boris - I certainly will be practicing a lot :-)

ann

On 7/10/2013 22:56, Christine Aguila wrote:


On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight green 
thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting off any 
thing that makes noise, too!

I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be faster, 
right?

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine shooting more 
than 300 to 400 frames - if that.



A LOT!!! :-))  I only shoot on 8gig cards, so I don't know exactly how many frames fit on 
a 32 bigger.  I think I get about 200 frames on an 8 gig card with RAW.  I use 8 gigs 
because of the all eggs in one basket fear.

Yep, you can turn off beeps on the K-5.  You'll be amazed at how quiet the 
shutter is too.

Can't wait to see your test/practice shots, Ann.  You're going to have a lot of 
fun playing with the K-5 before your shoot.

Cheers, Christine








ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my go-to 
white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are easy-peasy.  High 
ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if it is a bit dark, 
auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does have an auto-assistant 
focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will stream to the subject, 
which can elicit some funny facial and body responses.  You'll want to turn 
that off though during serious, solemn moments were there should be no 
distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu Options.

I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are needed, and 
I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of my RAW files 
either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader, then import to 
my processing software, which is Lightroom.

Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to 
shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is doing 
that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in nY 
standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as soon 
as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am doing that) 
Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and practice. Have 
enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words about 
making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in switching from 
the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - 
do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/11/2013 00:48, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.


The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

I also recommend bringing a spare SD card reader, they're cheap.

bring?? Aahz I'm not bringing a card reader to the wedding - its 30 
minutes from my apartment by train, 10 by cab.  :-)

If I were going back to Alaska, you bet I'd bring lots of card -
the smallness of the sd is an annoyance and I am klutzy, but I should
have time to go to a second card if I need.

I bet you think I have a laptop. hehe

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele

full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and it 
does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on changing 
what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running Windoze XP 
on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my photos go on the 
1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that affects anything, changes 
any advice - etc.


I did get the confirming email from KEH - I splurged on the UPS second 
day air and the regular UPS guy knows me - he actually helped me id a 
couple of the buildings in the Back in the Day calendar :-)


sounds like 32gb is more than I'll need for the wedding.

ann


On 7/10/2013 22:00, Gerrit Visser wrote:

Give or take 800 angels on a 32gb using DNG on a K5.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, the shutter is very quiet compared to K100D
et al. Not silent but quiet.

jpg takes more processing power in the camera, plus you want Raw anyway to
processing :-) So may as well just shoot raw. I switched to raw only before
our last trip and ain't going back.

Gerrit



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:28 PM
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Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight green
thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting off any
thing that makes noise, too!

I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be faster,
right?

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine shooting
more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my

go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are
easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if
it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does
have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will
stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny facial and body
responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during serious, solemn
moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu
Options.


I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are

needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of
my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader,
then import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.


Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to
hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief
wedding ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize)
someone else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't
up to that and especially after this recent battery episode, not high
enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog

in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and
as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
brand new one.


IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words

about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...


I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw

files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?


any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread John

On 7/11/2013 12:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Great news, Ann. You're going to enjoy your new camera. The only thing
I can suggest is that you shoot extensively with K-5 before you do any
serious work (such as your friend's wedding) with it. It has very
different rhythm than *istD (or K10D for that matter, which is from
where I transitioned to K-7).

I do suggest that you set your K-5 to output DNGs. I don't even
remember if it can do PEFs.



It can. PEF or DNG.

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RE: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Gerrit Visser
As long as Elements 5.0 can read DNG you will be fine. K5 doesn't output
PEF's

Gerrit


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:45 AM
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Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and it does
pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on changing what I'll be
processing with.  Many of you know I'm running Windoze XP on a dell
dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my photos go on the
1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that affects anything, changes any
advice - etc.

I did get the confirming email from KEH - I splurged on the UPS second day
air and the regular UPS guy knows me - he actually helped me id a couple of
the buildings in the Back in the Day calendar :-)

sounds like 32gb is more than I'll need for the wedding.

ann


On 7/10/2013 22:00, Gerrit Visser wrote:
 Give or take 800 angels on a 32gb using DNG on a K5.
 Not sure if anyone mentioned it, the shutter is very quiet compared to 
 K100D et al. Not silent but quiet.

 jpg takes more processing power in the camera, plus you want Raw 
 anyway to processing :-) So may as well just shoot raw. I switched to 
 raw only before our last trip and ain't going back.

 Gerrit



 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele
 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:28 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

 P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight 
 green thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be 
 shutting off any thing that makes noise, too!

 I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be 
 faster, right?

 How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine 
 shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

 ann

 On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Ann:

 Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's 
 my
 go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are 
 easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  
 But if it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  
 The K-5 does have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light 
 a green light will stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny 
 facial and body responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during 
 serious, solemn moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to 
 do in the Menu Options.

 I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are
 needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber 
 any of my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar 
 card reader, then import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.

 Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

 Big cheers, Christine






 On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to 
 hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief 
 wedding ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) 
 someone else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't 
 up to that and especially after this recent battery episode, not 
 high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding 
 photog
 in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the 
 mail and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, 
 I already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to 
 get it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... 
 don't need to have a brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage 
 words
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB 
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto 
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the 
 raw
 files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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RE: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Gerrit Visser
Please ignore, just found that setting



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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:54 AM
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Subject: RE: soon to be enabled

As long as Elements 5.0 can read DNG you will be fine. K5 doesn't output
PEF's

Gerrit


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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:45 AM
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Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and it does
pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on changing what I'll be
processing with.  Many of you know I'm running Windoze XP on a dell
dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my photos go on the
1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that affects anything, changes any
advice - etc.

I did get the confirming email from KEH - I splurged on the UPS second day
air and the regular UPS guy knows me - he actually helped me id a couple of
the buildings in the Back in the Day calendar :-)

sounds like 32gb is more than I'll need for the wedding.

ann


On 7/10/2013 22:00, Gerrit Visser wrote:
 Give or take 800 angels on a 32gb using DNG on a K5.
 Not sure if anyone mentioned it, the shutter is very quiet compared to 
 K100D et al. Not silent but quiet.

 jpg takes more processing power in the camera, plus you want Raw 
 anyway to processing :-) So may as well just shoot raw. I switched to 
 raw only before our last trip and ain't going back.

 Gerrit



 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele
 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:28 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

 P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight 
 green thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be 
 shutting off any thing that makes noise, too!

 I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be 
 faster, right?

 How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine 
 shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

 ann

 On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Ann:

 Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's 
 my
 go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are 
 easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.
 But if it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  
 The K-5 does have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light 
 a green light will stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny 
 facial and body responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during 
 serious, solemn moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to 
 do in the Menu Options.

 I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are
 needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber 
 any of my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar 
 card reader, then import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.

 Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

 Big cheers, Christine






 On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to 
 hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief 
 wedding ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) 
 someone else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't 
 up to that and especially after this recent battery episode, not 
 high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding 
 photog
 in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the 
 mail and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, 
 I already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to 
 get it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries...
 don't need to have a brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage 
 words
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB 
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto 
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the 
 raw
 files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 On 7/11/2013 00:48, Aahz Maruch wrote:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

I also recommend bringing a spare SD card reader, they're cheap.

 bring?? Aahz I'm not bringing a card reader to the wedding - its
 30 minutes from my apartment by train, 10 by cab.  :-)
 If I were going back to Alaska, you bet I'd bring lots of card -
 the smallness of the sd is an annoyance and I am klutzy, but I should
 have time to go to a second card if I need.

Sorry!  I think I got you and Walt mixed up.  ;-)
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, Walt wrote:
 On 7/10/2013 11:48 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

 Also, you might want to consider using something like a pair of
 tweezers to get the SD card out of the K-5. I found it a little more
 difficult to pull out of the slot than on any of my other bodies due
 to the weather sealing. It holds it fairly snugly, and if you don't
 use the right touch when you press and release it, it doesn't eject
 the card quite as far and it can be a little tough to grasp with
 your fingertips.

That wasn't my experience with two or three different K-5 II bodies, so
either they changed things a tiny bit, your body is a bit different from
spec, or I just didn't notice because I'm reasonably good with fiddly
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and  
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on  
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running  
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my  
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that  
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5  
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR  
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/11/2013 09:12, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

On 7/11/2013 00:48, Aahz Maruch wrote:

  Aahz I'm not bringing a card reader to the wedding - its

30 minutes from my apartment by train, 10 by cab.  :-)
If I were going back to Alaska, you bet I'd bring lots of card -
the smallness of the sd is an annoyance and I am klutzy, but I should
have time to go to a second card if I need.


Sorry!  I think I got you and Walt mixed up.  ;-)


that's some mixup!

ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output from 
elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?


I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
briefly?

ann

On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.




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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Bruce Walker
Walt, check for a tiny sliver of plastic broken off from an SD card
during an earlier insertion.

Some SD card brands have thin plastic ridges around the SD card's
contacts. These are fragile and break off, usually in your SD slot or
a card reader. Very poor design! I've experienced this in both places.

A few puffs from a blower bulb aimed into the slot removed the plastic
and fixed the problem for me.

BTW, this doesn't happen with the SanDisk cards. Nudge-nudge. :-)


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, you might want to consider using something like a pair of tweezers to
 get the SD card out of the K-5. I found it a little more difficult to pull
 out of the slot than on any of my other bodies due to the weather sealing.
 It holds it fairly snugly, and if you don't use the right touch when you
 press and release it, it doesn't eject the card quite as far and it can be a
 little tough to grasp with your fingertips.


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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread John
For the K5's raw file size, 16 GB cards might offer the best compromise 
between capacity, cost  redundancy (eggs/baskets).



On 7/11/2013 8:14 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Christine - wel think a lot alike on these things...
I would be unlikely to shoot more than 200 either and would, like
you probably rather have more 8 gb cards than one 32 normally. Though in
the situation I'll be in, with not a lot of time to chimp - and being
all thumbs ..  what I might do though, is shoot the wedding
on once card and tuck it away before the reception and then if I feel
like grabbing a few at the reception that I can't resist on a second card.

Boris - I certainly will be practicing a lot :-)

ann

On 7/10/2013 22:56, Christine Aguila wrote:


On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the
lowlight green thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly
will be shutting off any thing that makes noise, too!

I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be
faster, right?

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.



A LOT!!! :-))  I only shoot on 8gig cards, so I don't know exactly how
many frames fit on a 32 bigger.  I think I get about 200 frames on an
8 gig card with RAW.  I use 8 gigs because of the all eggs in one
basket fear.

Yep, you can turn off beeps on the K-5.  You'll be amazed at how quiet
the shutter is too.

Can't wait to see your test/practice shots, Ann.  You're going to have
a lot of fun playing with the K-5 before your shoot.

Cheers, Christine








ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.
It's my go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary
tweakings are easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like
others have said.  But if it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a
little challenging.  The K-5 does have an auto-assistant focus lamp,
so in really low light a green light will stream to the subject,
which can elicit some funny facial and body responses.  You'll want
to turn that off though during serious, solemn moments were there
should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu Options.

I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are
needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber
any of my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my
Lexar card reader, then import to my processing software, which is
Lightroom.

Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to
hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief
wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone
else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to
that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding
photog in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is
in the mail and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best
price (well, I already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about
$550... I need to get it soon and practice. Have enough for that
and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage
words about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch
out for in switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the
raw files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Bruce Walker
Ann, for the quality of your final image: no practical difference. RAW
is RAW. No lossy compression is used.

One practical difference is how well compressed the RAW files are, and
that affects your long-term file storage. Makes a difference when you
have fifty thousand of them.

Pentax created PEF is not as well compressed as Pentax created DNG
which is not as well compressed as Adobe created DNG. So for best
compression, create PEFs in camera then convert to DNG when importing
into Lightroom or ACR.

But since you are pulling your images into PSE for conversion to JPEG,
you might be best off creating DNGs in camera as you're just going to
be saving them to disk like that.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output from
 elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?

 I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
 briefly?

 ann


 On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:

 Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:

 full disclosure time,
 I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
 it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
 changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
 Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
 photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
 affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



 Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
 support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
 plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output
 from elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?

That doesn't matter much.

 I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
 briefly?

The difference is that DNG is an open standard (mostly true in practice
in addition to theory), so any software that supports DNG works no matter
what the manufacturer does, no need to wait for your software to get
updated for your camera.  It's one reason to like Pentax.
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
Ann, include me in that manner of thinking as well. It's my nature to do all to 
protect against my rampant forgetful accidents. If I collect an image that I'm 
heart racing excited about, I protect it by switching cards and putting the 
treasure work in safe bag storage.
I, also, prefer a supply of 8 gb ( maybe a couple 16's) for my use.
Looking forward to news of your experience.

Jack



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Subject: Re: soon to be enabled


Christine - wel think a lot alike on these things...
I would be unlikely to shoot more than 200 either and would, like
you probably rather have more 8 gb cards than one 32 normally. Though in 
the situation I'll be in, with not a lot of time to chimp - and being 
all thumbs ..  what I might do though, is shoot the wedding
on once card and tuck it away before the reception and then if I feel 
like grabbing a few at the reception that I can't resist on a second card.

Boris - I certainly will be practicing a lot :-)

ann

On 7/10/2013 22:56, Christine Aguila wrote:

 On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight green 
 thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting off any 
 thing that makes noise, too!

 I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be faster, 
 right?

 How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine shooting 
 more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.


 A LOT!!! :-))  I only shoot on 8gig cards, so I don't know exactly how many 
 frames fit on a 32 bigger.  I think I get about 200 frames on an 8 gig card 
 with RAW.  I use 8 gigs because of the all eggs in one basket fear.

 Yep, you can turn off beeps on the K-5.  You'll be amazed at how quiet the 
 shutter is too.

 Can't wait to see your test/practice shots, Ann.  You're going to have a lot 
 of fun playing with the K-5 before your shoot.

 Cheers, Christine







 ann

 On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Ann:

 Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my 
 go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are 
 easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if 
 it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does 
 have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light a green light 
 will stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny facial and body 
 responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during serious, solemn 
 moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu 
 Options.

 I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are needed, 
 and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of my RAW 
 files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader, then 
 import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.

 Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

 Big cheers, Christine






 On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me 
 to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is 
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog 
 in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail 
 and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I 
 already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it 
 soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need 
 to have a brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw 
 files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/11/2013 09:40, Bruce Walker wrote:

Ann, for the quality of your final image: no practical difference. RAW
is RAW. No lossy compression is used.

good.


One practical difference is how well compressed the RAW files are, and
that affects your long-term file storage. Makes a difference when you
have fifty thousand of them

Pentax created PEF is not as well compressed as Pentax created DNG
which is not as well compressed as Adobe created DNG. So for best
compression, create PEFs in camera then convert to DNG when importing
into Lightroom or ACR.
what is ACR?   just curious.  If all you are saying is that PEF takes up 
more room than a DNG it doesn't matter.  I'm not a big volume shooter at 
this stage.


ann


But since you are pulling your images into PSE for conversion to JPEG,
you might be best off creating DNGs in camera as you're just going to
be saving them to disk like that.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output from
elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?

I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
briefly?

ann


On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:


Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.




Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.




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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread John

On 7/11/2013 8:20 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



On 7/11/2013 00:48, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.


The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

I also recommend bringing a spare SD card reader, they're cheap.


bring?? Aahz I'm not bringing a card reader to the wedding - its 30
minutes from my apartment by train, 10 by cab.  :-)
If I were going back to Alaska, you bet I'd bring lots of card -
the smallness of the sd is an annoyance and I am klutzy, but I should
have time to go to a second card if I need.

I bet you think I have a laptop. hehe

ann



These are really good for carrying spare SD cards:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859448-REG/Think_Tank_211_SD_Pixel_Pocket_Rocket.html

I have one each for my K10D  another for my K20D.

... and I like these for SD card readers:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/811411-REG/Vivitar_VIV_CR_35_SD_Card_Reader.html

That style card reader is small enough I keep one in the business card 
slot of each of the Pixel-Pockets. I also keep spares at each of my 
computers  one in my laptop bag.



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread John

On 7/11/2013 9:53 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Pentax created PEF is not as well compressed as Pentax created DNG
which is not as well compressed as Adobe created DNG. So for best
compression, create PEFs in camera then convert to DNG when importing
into Lightroom or ACR.


what is ACR?   just curious.  If all you are saying is that PEF takes up
more room than a DNG it doesn't matter.  I'm not a big volume shooter at
this stage.

ann


ACR is Adobe Camera Raw. It's a program Adobe supplies with PhotoShop 
Lightroom that prepares your raw file to be opened by PhotoShop,
Elements or Lightroom. ACR is periodically updated to add support for
the raw file of newer cameras as they come out.

Versions of ACR are specific to the version of PhotoShop, Elements or
Lightroom you have, so when Adobe comes out with a new version of the
program, the version of ACR that matches older versions are no longer
updated.

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4920

The Camera Raw 6.3 plug-in is not compatible with versions of Photoshop
Elements earlier than Photoshop Elements 9.0, or versions of Premiere
Elements earlier than 9.0.

The latest version of the Camera Raw plug-in available for Photoshop
Elements 5.0 (Windows) is Camera Raw 4.5.

But I don't think it will be a problem for K5 DNG files.

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Sorenson

Ann -

See my off-list message.

-p

On 7/11/2013 8:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output from
elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?

I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
briefly?

ann

On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.






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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Walt
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that. It just always feels like the rubber 
gasket is snug and kind of impedes the ejection. I sort of came to view 
it as a feature rather than a bug (good sealing vs. ease of removal), 
and that my stubby fingers and nails were more the source of the problem 
than the camera itself.


I'll give that a whirl and see if it makes a difference.

Thanks for the tip!

-- Walt

On 7/11/2013 8:31 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Walt, check for a tiny sliver of plastic broken off from an SD card
during an earlier insertion.

Some SD card brands have thin plastic ridges around the SD card's
contacts. These are fragile and break off, usually in your SD slot or
a card reader. Very poor design! I've experienced this in both places.

A few puffs from a blower bulb aimed into the slot removed the plastic
and fixed the problem for me.

BTW, this doesn't happen with the SanDisk cards. Nudge-nudge. :-)


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Also, you might want to consider using something like a pair of tweezers to
get the SD card out of the K-5. I found it a little more difficult to pull
out of the slot than on any of my other bodies due to the weather sealing.
It holds it fairly snugly, and if you don't use the right touch when you
press and release it, it doesn't eject the card quite as far and it can be a
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-11 6:44 Ann Sanfedele wrote

Many of you know I'm running Windoze XP on a dell dimension
that is about 7 years old.  All my photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive.
Just an fyi if that affects anything, changes any advice - etc.


just a thought, this gig might be worth ensuring the images are backed up to a 
second drive (at least) as soon as you download them



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't think that your version of Elements supports or can be made to 
support the K-5 version of the PEF format.  You will probably need to 
shoot DNG or get the latest version of Adobe DNG converter and do it on 
your computer.
I don't think there's any real advantage for you to be shooting PEF 
format with the k-5. Earlier Pentax cameras PEF files could be 
significantly smaller that DNG files but with the K-5 that's no longer 
an issue.


I don't know how much memory your Dell has but if you can get enough to 
max it out I'd do it.  The K20D which I'm using saves PEF files of 9 to 
16 mb, (average 13-14), they expand when saved as TIFs to about 80mb, 
that's a pretty good analog to how much memory the un-manipulated image 
file will take up when you load it into memory, K-5 files will be 
probably twice that size.  Invest in another terabyte of external 
storage I picked up a couple of 1tb external drives not long ago for 
under $40.  It's amazing how fast they fill up.


On 7/11/2013 8:44 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and 
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on 
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running 
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old. All my 
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that 
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.


I did get the confirming email from KEH - I splurged on the UPS second 
day air and the regular UPS guy knows me - he actually helped me id a 
couple of the buildings in the Back in the Day calendar :-)


sounds like 32gb is more than I'll need for the wedding.

ann


On 7/10/2013 22:00, Gerrit Visser wrote:

Give or take 800 angels on a 32gb using DNG on a K5.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, the shutter is very quiet compared 
to K100D

et al. Not silent but quiet.

jpg takes more processing power in the camera, plus you want Raw 
anyway to
processing :-) So may as well just shoot raw. I switched to raw only 
before

our last trip and ain't going back.

Gerrit



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:28 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: soon to be enabled

P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the 
lowlight green
thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting 
off any

thing that makes noise, too!

I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be 
faster,

right?

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine 
shooting

more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  
It's my

go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are
easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  
But if
it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging. The K-5 
does
have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light a green 
light will

stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny facial and body
responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during serious, solemn
moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu
Options.


I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are
needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber 
any of
my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card 
reader,

then import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.


Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to
hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief
wedding ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize)
someone else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't
up to that and especially after this recent battery episode, not high
enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding 
photog
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the 
mail and
as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I 
already am

doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to 
have a

brand new one.


IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage 
words

about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...


I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw

files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?


any suggestions

Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread P.J. Alling
The only difference between DNG and PEF from your perspective is the 
file extension, and the fact that your version of ELEMENTS can open the 
K-5 version, other than that nothing.  The K20D and earlier cameras 
exported DNG files that were 30-40% larger than PEF files, that's the 
only reason I've stuck with shooting PEFs.


On 7/11/2013 9:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output 
from elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?


I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
briefly?

ann

On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.







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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Steve they will be on the card and my harddrive - then on a memory stick 
for the groom AND on smugmug...

I have unlimited storage space on Smugmgu, pretty much

But of course you are right :-)

ann

On 7/11/2013 14:30, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-07-11 6:44 Ann Sanfedele wrote

Many of you know I'm running Windoze XP on a dell dimension
that is about 7 years old.  All my photos go on the 1 terrabit
external drive.
Just an fyi if that affects anything, changes any advice - etc.


just a thought, this gig might be worth ensuring the images are backed
up to a second drive (at least) as soon as you download them




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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Thanks PJ for this, and the other mail about pefs and dngs important 
info - will do DNGS for sure then

YOu guys are much too worried about how much space I have, I think.

ann


On 7/11/2013 14:39, P.J. Alling wrote:

The only difference between DNG and PEF from your perspective is the
file extension, and the fact that your version of ELEMENTS can open the
K-5 version, other than that nothing.  The K20D and earlier cameras
exported DNG files that were 30-40% larger than PEF files, that's the
only reason I've stuck with shooting PEFs.

On 7/11/2013 9:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

so from a practical aspect, what is the difference if when I output
from elements  I'd be making are 300 ppi jpgs ? or pngs?

I have no experience at all with DNGS... anyone want to school me
briefly?

ann

On 7/11/2013 09:19, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


full disclosure time,
I only have ELEMENTS 5.0  and it happily allows me to open PEF's and
it does pretty much all I've asked it to do so I don't plan on
changing what I'll be processing with.  Many of you know I'm running
Windoze XP on a dell dimension that is about 7 years old.  All my
photos go on the 1 terrabit external drive. Just an fyi if that
affects anything, changes any advice - etc.



Not wishing to throw a spanner into the works but does Elements 5
support PEFs from the K5?  I could be wrong (hopefully) but the ACR
plugin for Elements 5 might not.  If so, you may have to use DNGs.









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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread P.J. Alling
Well Ann, you're going to get a huge increase in real resolution, and 
the files will tax your computer's capabilities.  Now that you've got 
good eyes, you can enjoy it.  You might want to check out buydig for a 
new K-5. They're selling for less than S100 more there than KEH is 
asking for good used ones. Sometimes buydig also has coupons that can 
save you a bit more too.



On 7/10/2013 11:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire 
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else 
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and

especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding 
photog in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in 
the mail and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price 
(well, I already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I 
need to get it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare 
batteries... don't need to have a brand new one.


IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage 
words about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out 
for in switching from the D...


I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw 
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?


any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann




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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote:

 Well Ann, you're going to get a huge increase in real resolution,
 and the files will tax your computer's capabilities.  Now that
 you've got good eyes, you can enjoy it.  You might want to check out
 buydig for a new K-5. They're selling for less than S100 more there
 than KEH is asking for good used ones. Sometimes buydig also has
 coupons that can save you a bit more too.

According to resellerratings.com, buydig has a 7.2 score vs 9.6 for keh;
I'd stick with keh, I've had enough problems even from high-scoring
companies.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/BuyDig_Beachtr
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/KEH_Camera_Brokers
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/B_H_Photo_Video_Pro_Audio
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Zos Xavius
Wow. Forget buying another k-7. If I just wait a little while a k-30
or even k-5 will be cheap enough to consider as a backup. Either would
be a step up in IQ. The focus peaking on the k-30 intrigues me too.
Too bad the engine is only 12-bit. :(

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote:

 Well Ann, you're going to get a huge increase in real resolution,
 and the files will tax your computer's capabilities.  Now that
 you've got good eyes, you can enjoy it.  You might want to check out
 buydig for a new K-5. They're selling for less than S100 more there
 than KEH is asking for good used ones. Sometimes buydig also has
 coupons that can save you a bit more too.

 According to resellerratings.com, buydig has a 7.2 score vs 9.6 for keh;
 I'd stick with keh, I've had enough problems even from high-scoring
 companies.

 http://www.resellerratings.com/store/BuyDig_Beachtr
 http://www.resellerratings.com/store/KEH_Camera_Brokers
 http://www.resellerratings.com/store/B_H_Photo_Video_Pro_Audio
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Stan Halpin
Congratulations - you'll enjoy your new gadget! 

As far as numbering, I don't change the file number, but I do add to it. I 
started getting confused, well, more confused, about the time I had three 
different IMPG-2132 files and decided it was time for a new strategy. On 
import, files are renamed with a mmdd prefix. I also use the camera's 
capability to change the impg to something like _K5_. The final file name then 
is mmdd_K5_, and there is no chance of confusion with an image taken on 
the same day with a different camera, or with an image with the same camera 
1 shots ago.

stan

On Jul 10, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to 
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is 
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc
 
 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in 
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as 
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am doing 
 that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and practice. 
 Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new 
 one.
 
 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...
 
 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - 
 do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?
 
 any suggestions at all are welcome.
 
 boy, it is nice to be back!
 
 Regards,
 ann
 
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Sorenson
Congratulations on getting the K-5.  To paraphrase the Men's Wearhouse 
guy...You're gonna like the way it works...I guarantee it


I still shoot PEFs and let Lightroom convert to DNG upon import as the 
Adobe conversion gives a slightly smaller file size.  If I think I'll 
need a quick turnaround to put up a gallery, I'll shoot RAW+JPG with the 
JPG set to the smallest file size so they're web-ready.


-p

On 7/10/2013 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail
and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I
already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get
it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't
need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Philip Northeast

Ann

I get Lightroom to add the date to the start of each file name so it 
makes it easier to find pictures taken on a particular occasion.


I only use raw, dng version. I you need a  jpeg on site you can always 
process it individually in the camera.


I normally leave the AWB alone and do any colour correction in 
Lightroom.  For a wedding you need to concentrate on the action not 
camera settings.


The higher ISO performance of these cameras is amazing  so a flash is 
often not needed.



Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 11/07/13 1:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail
and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I
already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get
it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't
need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann



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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Everyone -
This is what I ordered from KEH tonight
http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Digital-Camera-Bodies/1/sku-DP029991177660?r=FE#

... then got and email saying they wouldnt take my credit card money 
until they saw that they have the item in stock for sure. (tomorrow)

fingers crossed ...


Thanks for all the good input re the K-5 -
I do have a good card reader that reads both CFs and SD's so I'm all set 
there.  Definitely well get a spare battery.  Have been happy with

the PEF's the istD puts out, why would I need to DNG? (serious question)
 Can't imagine anything larger that an 16 gb sd card would be needed 
but I'll get a 32 as several of you mention it.


I'll get to scout out the venue before the event (though I've been thre 
once before)  It will be a relatively small wedding - maybe 65 to 70 and

not a formal affair - Groom will not be wearing a tie. Bride is wearing
(oh dear) _black_.  should I worry about my friend the groom???:-)

I'll only be shooting officially for a couple of hours.. posed pics
before, then the very short ceremony.  And the venue unencumbered by
people, probably.

In answer to the lens question, I doubt I'll be using the manual primes
jsut the 18-55 kit lens and the 55-300, maybe.  I'm not even sure I'll 
bother with that.  I'll bring the istd bondy for backup. And pack

my bag with the flash and rubber-band and card reflector - but hope
I don't have to bring it out.

I've done a fair number of weddings over the years, but all with film.
Though the events I've shot with digital is basically the same kind
of shooting .

I want to get comfortable with the camera fast as  I can.  Not too
fancy.

ann


On 7/10/2013 11:35, David J Brooks wrote:

Ann.

I have shot a few indoor events, no flash with iso around 3200 or
higher and they came out fine in AWB. I shoot DNG's, my LR can handle
the Pefs but my PS is old and does not handle the PEFs. I find LR 4
handles any noise just fine. I used to shoot raw/jpeg so i could load
up a jalbum quikly

Dave

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to
shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is
doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in
nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as
soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files
- do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele
P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight 
green thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be 
shutting off any thing that makes noise, too!


I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be 
faster, right?


How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine 
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.


ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my go-to 
white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are easy-peasy.  High 
ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if it is a bit dark, 
auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does have an auto-assistant 
focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will stream to the subject, 
which can elicit some funny facial and body responses.  You'll want to turn 
that off though during serious, solemn moments were there should be no 
distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu Options.

I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are needed, and 
I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of my RAW files 
either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader, then import to 
my processing software, which is Lightroom.

Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to 
shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is doing 
that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in nY 
standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as soon 
as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am doing that) 
Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and practice. Have 
enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words about 
making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in switching from 
the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - 
do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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RE: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Gerrit Visser
Give or take 800 angels on a 32gb using DNG on a K5.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, the shutter is very quiet compared to K100D
et al. Not silent but quiet.

jpg takes more processing power in the camera, plus you want Raw anyway to
processing :-) So may as well just shoot raw. I switched to raw only before
our last trip and ain't going back.

Gerrit



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P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight green
thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting off any
thing that makes noise, too!

I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be faster,
right?

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine shooting
more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

ann

On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Ann:

 Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my
go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are
easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if
it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does
have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will
stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny facial and body
responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during serious, solemn
moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu
Options.

 I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are
needed, and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of
my RAW files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader,
then import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.

 Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

 Big cheers, Christine






 On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to 
 hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief 
 wedding ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) 
 someone else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't 
 up to that and especially after this recent battery episode, not high 
 enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and
as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB 
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto 
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread John

I made a quick on-line search, and it looks like you can get 2 - good
quality 32GB Class 10 SDHC cards for slightly less than the cost of a
single 64GB SDXC Class 10 card of the same quality.

I'm not sure where BH is located in relation to where Ann lives, but if
I'm calculating it correctly it comes out to about a $2 savings getting
2x32GB Cl 10 over 1x64GB Cl 10. Might be worth the walk if you're going
out to exercise anyway?

Plus the benefit of not having all your eggs in one basket.

On 7/10/2013 2:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:


Realistically, I doubt that you need more than a 32G card, which
was at the peak for storage/dollar the last time I checked.
A year ago, I shot for a week at dance/music events and used less
than 32G per day. As people know, I am not shy about taking extra
shots with digital, just to make sure that one of them turns out.


Twice on my Alaska trip I ran through a 32GB card in a single day, so if
Ann's at all worried about storage, my strong advice would be to go for
64GB (I'm glad I took my primary's advice about getting a pair of 32GB
cards in addition to the pair of 16GB I started with).  This was very
little video, very little continuous shooting, and a fair number of
bracket shots.  Per previous e-mail, this was DNG, no JPEG.

Another option might be to go for the EyeFi, but that would be pretty
spendy -- just mentioning it for the record.




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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Rick Womer
Ann, that is =excellent=.  You're gonna love it.

Except for testing purposes, I've not used the flash with the camera in ~9000 
exposures.  The low light sensitivity is wonderful.

I use straight DNG output (~300 shots fit on an 8GB card), rename them on 
import into Lightroom (Bloggs Weddg 8-13 #__), and processing is simple from 
that point.

Cheers,

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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: soon to be enabled

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire 
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else 
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog 
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail 
and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I 
already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get 
it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't 
need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw 
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread John

Maybe not the best comparison, since he got fired last month. ;-D

On 7/10/2013 8:12 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Congratulations on getting the K-5.  To paraphrase the Men's Wearhouse
guy...You're gonna like the way it works...I guarantee it

I still shoot PEFs and let Lightroom convert to DNG upon import as the
Adobe conversion gives a slightly smaller file size.  If I think I'll
need a quick turnaround to put up a gallery, I'll shoot RAW+JPG with the
JPG set to the smallest file size so they're web-ready.

-p

On 7/10/2013 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail
and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I
already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get
it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't
need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann





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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Christine Aguila

On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 P.s. to my earlier response... Christine, your mention of the lowlight green 
 thingy very useful - which reminded me I certainly will be shutting off any 
 thing that makes noise, too!
 
 I'm thinking of only shooting in raw,as I always do - that would be faster, 
 right?
 
 How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine shooting 
 more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.


A LOT!!! :-))  I only shoot on 8gig cards, so I don't know exactly how many 
frames fit on a 32 bigger.  I think I get about 200 frames on an 8 gig card 
with RAW.  I use 8 gigs because of the all eggs in one basket fear.

Yep, you can turn off beeps on the K-5.  You'll be amazed at how quiet the 
shutter is too.

Can't wait to see your test/practice shots, Ann.  You're going to have a lot of 
fun playing with the K-5 before your shoot.

Cheers, Christine







 ann
 
 On 7/10/2013 13:29, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Ann:
 
 Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my 
 go-to white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are 
 easy-peasy.  High ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if 
 it is a bit dark, auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does 
 have an auto-assistant focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will 
 stream to the subject, which can elicit some funny facial and body 
 responses.  You'll want to turn that off though during serious, solemn 
 moments were there should be no distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu Options.
 
 I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are needed, 
 and I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of my RAW 
 files either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader, then 
 import to my processing software, which is Lightroom.
 
 Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.
 
 Big cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me 
 to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is 
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc
 
 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in 
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as 
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am 
 doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and 
 practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a 
 brand new one.
 
 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...
 
 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files 
 - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?
 
 any suggestions at all are welcome.
 
 boy, it is nice to be back!
 
 Regards,
 ann
 
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Great news, Ann. You're going to enjoy your new camera. The only thing
I can suggest is that you shoot extensively with K-5 before you do any
serious work (such as your friend's wedding) with it. It has very
different rhythm than *istD (or K10D for that matter, which is from
where I transitioned to K-7).

I do suggest that you set your K-5 to output DNGs. I don't even
remember if it can do PEFs.

And certainly - welcome back!

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
 doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
 practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
 brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files
 - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
 shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

I also recommend bringing a spare SD card reader, they're cheap.
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Walt

On 7/10/2013 11:48 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

How many angels fit on the head of a 32gb card?  I can't imagine
shooting more than 300 to 400 frames - if that.

The Pentax K-5 II was getting 900 DNGs per 32GB card.  I couldn't
imagine taking more than 200-300 shots in a day before my Alaska cruise,
I was wrong; do you really want to take a chance?  Given what you've
said about your discomfort with the small size of SD cards, IMO you
really should get a 64GB card.

I also recommend bringing a spare SD card reader, they're cheap.
Also, you might want to consider using something like a pair of tweezers 
to get the SD card out of the K-5. I found it a little more difficult to 
pull out of the slot than on any of my other bodies due to the weather 
sealing. It holds it fairly snugly, and if you don't use the right touch 
when you press and release it, it doesn't eject the card quite as far 
and it can be a little tough to grasp with your fingertips.


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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the
 raw files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

For my Alaska cruise, I decided to skip the JPEGs to make the camera a
little faster and save room on the SD cards.  I used DNG instead of PEF,
makes more sense because I'm on Linux.

I'd stick with keh.com as a reliable source, myself (bhphoto.com has
some things keh doesn't, but it's more spendy, so anything on keh gets
priority IMO).  You probably could save money by getting an EX or EX+
instead of LN-, keh seems to be conservative in their ratings.

What lenses were you thinking of using?
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Darren Addy
Congratulations Ann!
You are going to LOVE the K-5. I think you will be happy with the AWB
in most situations.
You will need SD cards instead of the CF cards that the *istD uses
(and thus a different card reader/adapter). The cheap USB adapters on
ebay work fine.
Update to the latest firmware as soon as you get your body.
I would recommend getting the 64GB Sony SDXC card so you don't have to
worry about changing out cards during the wedding/reception. It also
reads/writes very fast.
http://www.adorama.com/ISO64GSXC10U.html


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
 doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
 practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
 brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files
 - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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RE: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Gerrit Visser
Hi Ann
Welcome to the joys of K5-land.
K5 outputs DNG so no conversion needed. I used to shoot only jpg until I
finally got the hang of LR, now it is Raw only.
LR can take  care of fixing the WB, I think mine is set to cloudy on the
camera. (Bruce had it for a while so have to check :-)
High ISO is awesome, I will shortly post a shot taken handheld from back of
an auditorium. This link brings you to a set of photos taken with just the
avail ligth indoors:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.299828163432435type=1

Hope that helps a bit
Gerrit

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Subject: soon to be enabled

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to
shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding ceremony -
not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is doing that.
At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and especially after this
recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in
nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as
soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB fare?  My
habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto my computer from
the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - do any of you
do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have no problems shooting in AWB with the K-5. I always make sure I have some 
frames with gray or white in them, so I can readjust white balance when 
converting if necessary, but AWB usually nails it. Tungsten light would be an 
exception, but as long as you have that gray or white reference you don't have 
to worry. 

You shouldn't have any trouble shooting without flash at the ceremony and for 
portraits. Ideally, you'll want to do the portraits outdoors in shade or 
backlit with a reflector at camera -- but you know that. I'd try a bit of both. 
At the ceremony I wouldn't hesitate to go at ISO 3200 and would go to 6400 if 
necessary, particularly for BW shots. 

Best,
Paul
On Jul 10, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to 
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is 
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc
 
 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in 
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as 
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am doing 
 that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and practice. 
 Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new 
 one.
 
 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...
 
 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - 
 do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?
 
 any suggestions at all are welcome.
 
 boy, it is nice to be back!
 
 Regards,
 ann
 
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread David J Brooks
Ann.

I have shot a few indoor events, no flash with iso around 3200 or
higher and they came out fine in AWB. I shoot DNG's, my LR can handle
the Pefs but my PS is old and does not handle the PEFs. I find LR 4
handles any noise just fine. I used to shoot raw/jpeg so i could load
up a jalbum quikly

Dave

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am
 doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and
 practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a
 brand new one.

 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in
 switching from the D...

 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files
 - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

 any suggestions at all are welcome.

 boy, it is nice to be back!

 Regards,
 ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Jack Davis
You have been anointed !  I'm so pleased for you. It's all even sweetened due 
to its being acquired as a direct result of applying your considerable 
photographic (artistic) skill.
Your good friend is getting a bargain.

Great!!

Jack


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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: soon to be enabled

I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire 
me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else 
is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc

But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog 
in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail 
and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I 
already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get 
it soon and practice. Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't 
need to have a brand new one.

IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
switching from the D...

I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw 
files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

any suggestions at all are welcome.

boy, it is nice to be back!

Regards,
ann

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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:09:18AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to
 hire me to shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief
 wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone
 else is doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to
 that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc
 
 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding
 photog in nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is
 in the mail and as soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best
 price (well, I already am doing that) Saw an LN at KEH for about
 $550... I need to get it soon and practice. Have enough for that and
 spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new one.

Excellent news Ann!

 
 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage
 words about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out
 for in switching from the D...
 
 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the
 raw files - do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?

I have jpeg set at 2MP, so that when I need JPEGs right away, they are
already sized for the web and don't take up a lot of space. I don't often
use RAW+JPEG, but if I need JPEGS, I do it that way rather than setting
it to JPEG, if for no other reason than to prevent me from losing raw
files by forgetting to set it back.
 
 any suggestions at all are welcome.
 
 boy, it is nice to be back!

Welcome back. I am sure that you will like the K-5.

Third party spare batteries are not very expensive.  It takes a 
few charge cycles to get the full capacity out of a new battery.

If you don't like fumbling with SD cards, just invest in a 64GB
card.  It will last you through the whole wedding. 

I know that this suggestion borders on heresy, you could also tell
your friend that if they buy a Sandisk extreme 64GB card for you to
use, once you have copied all the files onto your computer for
processing, you could just give them the huge card with all of the 
raw (or raw and web sized jpegs) files to keep.

Realistically, I doubt that you need more than a 32G card, which
was at the peak for storage/dollar the last time I checked.  
A year ago, I shot for a week at dance/music events and used less
than 32G per day. As people know, I am not shy about taking extra
shots with digital, just to make sure that one of them turns out.

One advantage of the bigger card, and spare battery, is that 
would give you plenty of extra storage and battery for taking 
video clips.

I also recommend that you experiment with live view, before the
event.  When shooting in low light situations, live view can be 
invaluable for framing, and particularly for manual focus.  

Make sure that you go through the menu ahead of time, and turn off
all of the beeps.

 
 Regards,
 ann
 
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Ann:

Wow!  What fun!  You'll love the K-5.  AWB is pretty darn good.  It's my go-to 
white balance and in Lightroom 4 any necessary tweakings are easy-peasy.  High 
ISO settings are excellent like others have said.  But if it is a bit dark, 
auto-focusing can be a little challenging.  The K-5 does have an auto-assistant 
focus lamp, so in really low light a green light will stream to the subject, 
which can elicit some funny facial and body responses.  You'll want to turn 
that off though during serious, solemn moments were there should be no 
distraction.  Easy to do in the Menu Options.

I shoot DNG--you have that option with K-5--, so no conversions are needed, and 
I hardly ever shoot jpegs--always RAW.  I don't renumber any of my RAW files 
either.  I just stick the memory card in my Lexar card reader, then import to 
my processing software, which is Lightroom.

Very excited for you.  Hope you enjoy what I think is a great camera.

Big cheers, Christine






On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I good firend of mine is getting married in August.. he wanted to hire me to 
 shoot the wedding - but only the portraits and the brief wedding
 ceremony - not the reception (so I can eat and socialize) someone else is 
 doing that.  At first i begged off... my *istD isn't up to that and
 especially after this recent battery episode, not high enough ISO, etc
 
 But the I realized I could do it for him inexpensively by wedding photog in 
 nY standards for sure - the price of a K-5! His check is in the mail and as 
 soon as I get it I'll be looking for the best price (well, I already am doing 
 that) Saw an LN at KEH for about $550... I need to get it soon and practice. 
 Have enough for that and spare batteries... don't need to have a brand new 
 one.
 
 IF anyone notices a better deal than that KEH one or has some sage words 
 about making the K-5 behave well , or some things to watch out for in 
 switching from the D...
 
 I'm hoping to shoot without using flash at all. How does the AWB
 fare?  My habit with the D is to simply load all the raw files onto
 my computer from the card reader without renumbering/renaming the raw files - 
 do any of you do both the PEF and the jpgs?
 
 any suggestions at all are welcome.
 
 boy, it is nice to be back!
 
 Regards,
 ann
 
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Re: soon to be enabled

2013-07-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 Realistically, I doubt that you need more than a 32G card, which
 was at the peak for storage/dollar the last time I checked.  
 A year ago, I shot for a week at dance/music events and used less
 than 32G per day. As people know, I am not shy about taking extra
 shots with digital, just to make sure that one of them turns out.

Twice on my Alaska trip I ran through a 32GB card in a single day, so if
Ann's at all worried about storage, my strong advice would be to go for
64GB (I'm glad I took my primary's advice about getting a pair of 32GB
cards in addition to the pair of 16GB I started with).  This was very
little video, very little continuous shooting, and a fair number of
bracket shots.  Per previous e-mail, this was DNG, no JPEG.

Another option might be to go for the EyeFi, but that would be pretty
spendy -- just mentioning it for the record.
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