Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Peter Jordan wrote: Jessops (not normally my favourite store) are offering istDL2 (which isn't officially launched in the UK IIRC) plus 18-35 and 50 - 250 for GBP 540 on their website. However, if you go into a store, it is currently going for GBP 499 which strikes me as a bargain (by UK standards at least). I'm going for it. They only had the display model in stock today, but are getting more in my local store tomorrow. Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Hi Mike, Wasn't it you not too long ago who said that he'd never go digital? Anyway, have fun ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: mike wilson Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
RE: ist DL2 offer in UK
I saw that offer too a few days ago, in CameraWorld, I think, and was very surprised that they're so cheap. I'm almost tempted by it myself. What are the lenses like? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2006 17:56 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Peter Jordan wrote: Jessops (not normally my favourite store) are offering istDL2 (which isn't officially launched in the UK IIRC) plus 18-35 and 50 - 250 for GBP 540 on their website. However, if you go into a store, it is currently going for GBP 499 which strikes me as a bargain (by UK standards at least). I'm going for it. They only had the display model in stock today, but are getting more in my local store tomorrow. Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Mike, Wasn't it you not too long ago who said that he'd never go digital? Anyway, have fun ;-)) Shel Never said that. Just that I wasn't ready for it. Once Cath got hold of the DL, apparently I was. 8-) [Original Message] From: mike wilson Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11. hmmm... Preparing for something, aren't you? :-) Jostein
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Bob W wrote: I saw that offer too a few days ago, in CameraWorld, I think, and was very surprised that they're so cheap. I'm almost tempted by it myself. What are the lenses like? -- Cheers, Bob Black. Glass in the middle. 8-) Not got it going yet (sigh) Will call back tomorrow. All seems to be well made for modern stuff but I'm not very keen on the feel of it. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2006 17:56 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Peter Jordan wrote: Jessops (not normally my favourite store) are offering istDL2 (which isn't officially launched in the UK IIRC) plus 18-35 and 50 - 250 for GBP 540 on their website. However, if you go into a store, it is currently going for GBP 499 which strikes me as a bargain (by UK standards at least). I'm going for it. They only had the display model in stock today, but are getting more in my local store tomorrow. Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Jostein wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11. hmmm... Preparing for something, aren't you? :-) Jostein And now Cath can take the pictures whilst I'm flaked out on the delivery room floor. 8-)))
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Not all that keen on the feel myself, and the viewfinder does look like looking down a long dark tunnel, but in terms of portability performance for the price, you can't beat it. Peter - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Bob W wrote: I saw that offer too a few days ago, in CameraWorld, I think, and was very surprised that they're so cheap. I'm almost tempted by it myself. What are the lenses like? -- Cheers, Bob Black. Glass in the middle. 8-) Not got it going yet (sigh) Will call back tomorrow. All seems to be well made for modern stuff but I'm not very keen on the feel of it. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2006 17:56 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Peter Jordan wrote: Jessops (not normally my favourite store) are offering istDL2 (which isn't officially launched in the UK IIRC) plus 18-35 and 50 - 250 for GBP 540 on their website. However, if you go into a store, it is currently going for GBP 499 which strikes me as a bargain (by UK standards at least). I'm going for it. They only had the display model in stock today, but are getting more in my local store tomorrow. Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
Peter Jordan wrote: Not all that keen on the feel myself, and the viewfinder does look like looking down a long dark tunnel, but in terms of portability performance for the price, you can't beat it. Peter - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Bob W wrote: I saw that offer too a few days ago, in CameraWorld, I think, and was very surprised that they're so cheap. I'm almost tempted by it myself. What are the lenses like? -- Cheers, Bob Black. Glass in the middle. 8-) Not got it going yet (sigh) Will call back tomorrow. All seems to be well made for modern stuff but I'm not very keen on the feel of it. OK, serious answer. No aperture rings 8-( Slow 8-(( Very plasticky - for instance, you can grasp the hood of the 50-200 and, without much effort, make it zoom from end to end. Rotten MF ring compared to any MF lens but better than some I've seen. Push on body end cap on the 18-55, proper one on the 50-200. Squeeze fit end caps. Hoods have cutouts for polarisers. Rocker switch on back feels flimsy but I suspect is not as bad as it feels. It seems that my stock of batteries is past its useful life - they only last about five minutes on the DL. Will give them an overnight charge and try again. No card or batteries other than a set of alkalines supplied, presumably to keep the price down. As the best ratio of price for an SD card between online and high street was 1:4, I won't be taking any real pictures until the card arrives. You can play a neat trick with the DOF preview - it takes a picture and displays it on the LCD. Of course, working the rotating switch induces camera shake, so I'm not sure how one would deduce DOF accurately. Pentax wants me to subscribe to Pentax User and to become an organ donor, as well as filling in guarantees. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2006 17:56 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: ist DL2 offer in UK Peter Jordan wrote: Jessops (not normally my favourite store) are offering istDL2 (which isn't officially launched in the UK IIRC) plus 18-35 and 50 - 250 for GBP 540 on their website. However, if you go into a store, it is currently going for GBP 499 which strikes me as a bargain (by UK standards at least). I'm going for it. They only had the display model in stock today, but are getting more in my local store tomorrow. Jessops Metro Centre had one in today. Note the past tense. Batteries on charge, pictures at 11.
Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
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Re: ist DL2 offer in UK
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Re: *ist DL2 announced
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jens Bladt wrote: The LCD preview is interesting. I suppose this camera does not have a prisma at the place of the mirror (like the Olympus E-10 and E-20 SLRs). So, I guess the DOF button opens the mirror and fires the shutter as well!!!!!! = Where does anything say it actually HAS LCD preview? (DL2?) The press release had a description. It's an alternative to looking through the viewfinder and checking DOF preview. It sounds like you look through the viewfindr and press the LCD preview button... It swings the mirror up, and displays the image for you on the LCD. To me it sounds like you take a picture and look at it on the LCD to check exposure with histogram display and depth of field (I think those are the words used in the description). It really does not sound like a live preview at all. More of a test exposure maybe it's not written to the memory card. Christian
RE: *ist DL2
Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: *ist DL2
Jens, Please define a Pentax lens. Can a Pentax-rebadged Tamron be considered more Pentax than a genuine Pentax just rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? I don't think so. It is evident that Pentax and Samsung SLR's are the same stuff, hence I think we can just welcome Samsung users here, without any concern or endless debate. Dario - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: *ist DL2 Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: *ist DL2
And what about a Pentax lens rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? John On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:32:42 -, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: *ist DL2
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:08:27 -, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens, Please define a Pentax lens. Can a Pentax-rebadged Tamron be considered more Pentax than a genuine Pentax just rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? I don't think so. It is evident that Pentax and Samsung SLR's are the same stuff, hence I think we can just welcome Samsung users here, without any concern or endless debate. Especially as the Samsung buyers will be keeping Pentax afloat! John Dario - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: *ist DL2 Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
RE: *ist DL2
Dario, I agree. But do you welcome all Samsung users? Even the ones using a Samsung mobile phone, a Samsung made Rollei w. Schneider lenses etc. When the German camera industy got in trouble after WW2, many companies chose to sell their good name, in order to get at least some money out before closing down production. Someone here recently said, that names are being diluted. Meaning old names are sold to new/other manufacturers: Contax, Exakta, Rollei etc. This development is, however, not the case with Pentax - not yet, anyway. Pentax is selling their designs, thier know-how, their patents etc. But only Pentax products are labeled Pentax - or at least only products approved by Pentax are. So far Pentax still make cameras of their own. BTW: Schneider Kreuznach is still a live (German) company, making or designing lenses for camera manufacturers like Samsung, Rolleiflex (once owned by Samsung) and others. Like Carl Zeiss make lenses for many other companies like Hasselblad (Sweden) and Sony (Japan). Schneider now owns the names (companies) B+W Filters, Pentacon and Praktica. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Dario Bonazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 10:08 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Jens, Please define a Pentax lens. Can a Pentax-rebadged Tamron be considered more Pentax than a genuine Pentax just rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? I don't think so. It is evident that Pentax and Samsung SLR's are the same stuff, hence I think we can just welcome Samsung users here, without any concern or endless debate. Dario - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: *ist DL2 Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: *ist DL2
At the moment, I think that Pentax compacts (and all those using Pentax lenses: Benq, Casio, HP) and Pentax+Samsung DSLR's are fine. The plain rule should be: It must include something Pentax That can be just the name (like it happens with Pentax rebadged compacts made by Premier) or hardware (like in Casio compacts and Samsung DSLR's), or whatever. Dario - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: RE: *ist DL2 Dario, I agree. But do you welcome all Samsung users? Even the ones using a Samsung mobile phone, a Samsung made Rollei w. Schneider lenses etc. When the German camera industy got in trouble after WW2, many companies chose to sell their good name, in order to get at least some money out before closing down production. Someone here recently said, that names are being diluted. Meaning old names are sold to new/other manufacturers: Contax, Exakta, Rollei etc. This development is, however, not the case with Pentax - not yet, anyway. Pentax is selling their designs, thier know-how, their patents etc. But only Pentax products are labeled Pentax - or at least only products approved by Pentax are. So far Pentax still make cameras of their own. BTW: Schneider Kreuznach is still a live (German) company, making or designing lenses for camera manufacturers like Samsung, Rolleiflex (once owned by Samsung) and others. Like Carl Zeiss make lenses for many other companies like Hasselblad (Sweden) and Sony (Japan). Schneider now owns the names (companies) B+W Filters, Pentacon and Praktica. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Dario Bonazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 10:08 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Jens, Please define a Pentax lens. Can a Pentax-rebadged Tamron be considered more Pentax than a genuine Pentax just rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? I don't think so. It is evident that Pentax and Samsung SLR's are the same stuff, hence I think we can just welcome Samsung users here, without any concern or endless debate. Dario - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: *ist DL2 Butsh wrote: Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Interesting Question, Butch. When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron lens (if not a Pentax). The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really touched anything made by Pentax. Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right? Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax: Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK with the current PUG rules. If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be used for the PUG. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
RE: *ist DL2 announced
The LCD preview is interesting. I suppose this camera does not have a prisma at the place of the mirror (like the Olympus E-10 and E-20 SLRs). So, I guess the DOF button opens the mirror and fires the shutter as well!!!!!! It seems to be aimed at users, that are familiar with PS cameras (scene programs), but want better image quality and are prepared to carry some extra weight and bulk - plus getting the option to use more lenses etc. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. januar 2006 16:11 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 announced German Pentax site appears to have the announcement: http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=142 Igor
Re: *ist DL2
If they slap a Pentax Lens on it sure. Hell we even let some Canon users participate despite their unnatural predilections Butch Black wrote: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: *ist DL2 announced
In practice it may be useful or may not be, but it seems more like advertising hype than anything else to me, a featureless feature. Jens Bladt wrote: The LCD preview is interesting. I suppose this camera does not have a prisma at the place of the mirror (like the Olympus E-10 and E-20 SLRs). So, I guess the DOF button opens the mirror and fires the shutter as well!!!!!! It seems to be aimed at users, that are familiar with PS cameras (scene programs), but want better image quality and are prepared to carry some extra weight and bulk - plus getting the option to use more lenses etc. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. januar 2006 16:11 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 announced German Pentax site appears to have the announcement: http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=142 Igor -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: *ist DL2
On 29/1/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: If they slap a Pentax Lens on it sure. Hell we even let some Canon users participate despite their unnatural predilections And some of us don't give a rats ass :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: *ist DL2 announced
In a message dated 1/29/2006 11:43:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In practice it may be useful or may not be, but it seems more like advertising hype than anything else to me, a featureless feature. Jens Bladt wrote: The LCD preview is interesting. I suppose this camera does not have a prisma at the place of the mirror (like the Olympus E-10 and E-20 SLRs). So, I guess the DOF button opens the mirror and fires the shutter as well!!!!!! = Where does anything say it actually HAS LCD preview? (DL2?) Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Yes, it is great. Pentax has maximized their investment in the D by releasing a number of variants intended to boost sales. Or would you prefer they just lose money on every camera they develop? This is a company playing catching up, and they're playing it smart. They'll probably never reach the frontrunners, but if they can remain a few steps behind and develop some new pieces, I'll be happy. Those who will not be happy should got to a maker who can make them happy. It's really quite simple. Paul On Jan 28, 2006, at 12:26 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Pentax seams to be suffering from a severe case of DSLR development constipation. Best hope is that their cosmetic tweakings are designed to entice followers to stay in line until roll-out of an upgrade. In my case, it's still working. I'm very curious, but not in that much of a hurry. Jack --- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: *ist DL2
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:43:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems dpreview says the *ist DL2 ios tthe Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1X. I used to believe it was the other way around! dpreview: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Personally, to me, this seems the height of irony. Marnie aka Doe How is it ironic? What I see is simply branding. Remember, the Ds2 was not available in Europe, but now our European friends can get the same camera under the Samsung brand. So what if it is called Samsung WE all KNOW it is the same camera. There may actually be marketing reasons behind this... To me it is not ironic but sad. Sad that Pentax as a brand is being diluted by an electronics giant or that Pentax can't hold its own in the marketplace without using the Samsung brand. Christian
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It's not sad, it's smart. If the Samsung name helps move the cameras, that's a good thing. Make money, build more camera. Life is good. On Jan 28, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Christian wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:43:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems dpreview says the *ist DL2 ios tthe Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1X. I used to believe it was the other way around! dpreview: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Personally, to me, this seems the height of irony. Marnie aka Doe How is it ironic? What I see is simply branding. Remember, the Ds2 was not available in Europe, but now our European friends can get the same camera under the Samsung brand. So what if it is called Samsung WE all KNOW it is the same camera. There may actually be marketing reasons behind this... To me it is not ironic but sad. Sad that Pentax as a brand is being diluted by an electronics giant or that Pentax can't hold its own in the marketplace without using the Samsung brand. Christian
Re: *ist DL2
In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:43:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). In a message dated 1/28/2006 6:29:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is it ironic? What I see is simply branding. Remember, the Ds2 was not available in Europe, but now our European friends can get the same camera under the Samsung brand. So what if it is called Samsung WE all KNOW it is the same camera. There may actually be marketing reasons behind this... To me it is not ironic but sad. Sad that Pentax as a brand is being diluted by an electronics giant or that Pentax can't hold its own in the marketplace without using the Samsung brand. Christian === That a Pentax camera is basically being called a rebadged Samsung by the author of this piece. Wasn't this Samsung's first release of a DSLR? With one release by Samsung (of a rebadged Pentax), see how the perception alters. I am not sure if it's good or bad or sad or not, but I do find it ironic. Marnie aka Doe
Re: *ist DL2
- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: *ist DL2 To me it is not ironic but sad. Sad that Pentax as a brand is being diluted by an electronics giant or that Pentax can't hold its own in the marketplace without using the Samsung brand. Most of the brands are being diluted. German brand names on Korean cameras, Minolta just got really diluted. Evolution happens. William Robb
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Tragedy more like it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:43:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems dpreview says the *ist DL2 ios tthe Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1X. I used to believe it was the other way around! dpreview: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk Personally, to me, this seems the height of irony. Marnie aka Doe -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... David Mann wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
P. J. Alling wrote: All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... Doesn't that mean they're DS variants, not D variants? I wondered that before, but since I'm familiar only with the D, not the others, I am only going on having read that the others all use the same storage media and have the same number of control dials -- both features being different from the D. ERN
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I have a D and a DS, (broke my own rule about backups having identical interfaces, it can be quite annoying). I haven't seen a DS2 but I've seen and handled a DL, the DL is clearly a DS with fewer features, (even it's LCD is probably plug compatible with the electronics in the DS), the D obviously has a different frame and body shell, and many differences, though probably minor as the photo assistant software can control it and the DS, in electronics. E.R.N. Reed wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... Doesn't that mean they're DS variants, not D variants? I wondered that before, but since I'm familiar only with the D, not the others, I am only going on having read that the others all use the same storage media and have the same number of control dials -- both features being different from the D. ERN -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Never mind..but thanks anyway. I just checked dpreview.com again. Only going to be available in Asia and Canada? Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp Jack Davis wrote: Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Jack Davis wrote: I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change No. or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? Digital preview (= mirror up, shutter open, shoot, playback on screen) with single operation (= by keeping the preview lever pushed). This as an alternative (menu choice) to usual optical preview (= stop down aperture to estimate depth of field in the viewfinder). 5-segment AF instead of 3 of the *istDL. I bet it's just a lesser disablement of AF points compared to the 11-segment original type. Dario
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp
Re: ist-DL2 press release
You would think so but according to what I've read so far they had to be different... Dario Bonazza wrote: I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Sorry P.J., you're wrong. This is the Samsung GX-1S, and it's definitely the *istDS2. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp This is the information about the GX-1L (with a misleading picture), and it is the *istDL2 http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/31/28.htm (you understand that by the 5-point AF.) So the S is the S and the L is the L. Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release You would think so but according to what I've read so far they had to be different... Dario Bonazza wrote: I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I was under the impression that the GX-S1 is a rebadged *istDS2. This is confirmed by the German photoscala site that writes: Neben dem Topmodell GX-1S führt Samsung zum Start in die Welt der digitalen Spiegelreflexfotografie mit der GX-1L eine zweite Kamera ein, die mit einem unschlagbar guten Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis... and in the GX- S1 story: Ähnlichkeiten zur *ist Ds2 sind also nicht rein zufällig. http://www.photoscala.de/node/view/1464 The GX-S1 is the top model that's based on the *istDS2 and the GX-1L is a budget model similar to the *istDL, although this has the improved 5 point autofocus of the DL2, but not the live preview, as far as I've been able to judge. Digitalkamera.de wites on the *istDL2: mit der Vorstellung der neuen Pentax-DSLR dürfte auch die Frage geklärt sein, auf welcher Pentax- Kamera die kürzlich vorgestellte Samsung GX-1L (siehe entsprechende digitalkamera.de-Meldung unter den weiterführenden Links) genau basiert. That is, they ask what the second Samsung is based on. They also note that this has a different view finder from the others: Die Bildfeldabdeckung von 96 Prozent und die 0,85-fache Sucherbildvergrößerung findet man bei keiner anderen Samsung- oder Pentax-DSLR wieder. The linked DP Review covers the GX-1S – not the 1L. This I4U note mentions both – http://www.i4u.com/article4951.html – but the linked articles in LetsGoDigital are both about the GX-1S! This is all rather confusing so far, but I guss we will learn more in due time. Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL...
Re: *ist DL2
On 28 Jan 2006 at 9:53, Paul Stenquist wrote: Life is good. Sorry that's LGs catchphrase With Samsung, it's not that hard to imagine http://www.samsung.com/imagine/base.html Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *ist DL2
Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: *ist DL2
Does anyone really care? On Jan 28, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Butch Black wrote: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: *ist DL2
On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:18 AM, William Robb wrote: Most of the brands are being diluted. German brand names on Korean cameras, Minolta just got really diluted. Evolution happens. I guess it must be evolution: it certainly isn't intelligent design. - Dave http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/ http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: ist-DL2 press release
They upgraded the DL a bit... Maybe the DL is being dropped from the line up. So when the D2 is released everything will have a 2 in it's name. Thibouille wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html Have fun! -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ... -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: ist-DL2 press release
No. Dario - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: ist-DL2 press release
This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Paul On Jan 27, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No. Dario - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: *ist DL2
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:32:53 +0100, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who makes the sensor used in the Samsung Pro815? Good question. I take it noone else could find the answer either? -- Regards, Lucas
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:01:20 -, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:32:53 +0100, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who makes the sensor used in the Samsung Pro815? Good question. I take it noone else could find the answer either? I certainly couldn't! John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: *ist DL2
On 27 Jan 2006 at 20:45, John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:01:20 -, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:32:53 +0100, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who makes the sensor used in the Samsung Pro815? Good question. I take it noone else could find the answer either? I certainly couldn't! Specs appear to match a Sony sensor most closely, check the ICX456. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *ist DL2
Although I believe live preview is really useful only in a few situations, video capture is another matter. I personally don't care about this feature, and I'm sure most of you in this ML don't either. However, several friends and colleagues of mine currently own a PS and are considering moving to a more serious camera. Although they are aware of the superiority of reflex bodies, they will probably go for a bridge camera for the only reason, that they are used to this feature and don't want to lose it with a reflex. There's probably a market for a low-end reflex body with a video capture function, even if it's only VGA quality with mono sound. Patrice Joseph Tainter a écrit : Supposedly coming in March: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=16868507 and http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf Joe
RE: *ist DL2
It seems dpreview says the *ist DL2 ios tthe Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1X. I used to believe it was the other way around! dpreview: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2006 23:52 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 On 27 Jan 2006 at 20:45, John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:01:20 -, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:32:53 +0100, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who makes the sensor used in the Samsung Pro815? Good question. I take it noone else could find the answer either? I certainly couldn't! Specs appear to match a Sony sensor most closely, check the ICX456. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *ist DL2
In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:43:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems dpreview says the *ist DL2 ios tthe Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1X. I used to believe it was the other way around! dpreview: Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk Personally, to me, this seems the height of irony. Marnie aka Doe
Re: ist-DL2 press release
On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave
Re: ist-DL2 press release
In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:28:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave Yeah, even Canon, which a PDML Pentaxian has pointed out to me, which does upgrades all the time, in about six months cycles, to get the poor hapless photographer to fork out more cash, hasn't seemed to rework essentially the same body as much as this. How's that for a run on sentence? Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Re: *ist DL2
Please read E330 announcment at dpreview... maybe DL2 is about the same? 2006/1/26, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Op Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:49:09 +0100 schreef Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I remember a rumor that the first Pentax DSLR was going to have LCD preview (about six months before the *ist came out). Doesn't anyone else remember that? So I am suspicious of this PDF. That part seems like a recycled rumor. But you are right about the live preview thing. EVERY Pentax DSLR has reported this feature in the initial press releases as I recall. Obviously, it is not a true feature. Either they have been working on it for years (and it's finally finished), or they recycle their press releases (and keep forgetting to edit it out) How could they (and why would they?) implement it? How: 1) MLU, feed from the sensor 2) a seperate 0,21 Mpix sensor in the prism housing 1) is unlikely with the sensor, and would make AF tough to do as well. 2) might be feasible. Would it make the viewfinder dimmer? Why: To make both digicam and macro users happy. It seems no live preview is a showstopper for lots of digicam/prosumer users. If Pentax is smart, it doesn't argue the point, but delivers what potential customers want. As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o) -- Regards, Lucas -- -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
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Op Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:16:17 +0100 schreef Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please read E330 announcment at dpreview... maybe DL2 is about the same? I saw it, but honestly, long after I posted :o) Seems Olympus is smart, and gives customers what they want :/ If the date on the leaked *ist-DL2 pdf was correct we'll know today whether Pentax can counter this immediately. By the way, a third way would be in the light path to the AF-sensor. I think it's feasible, but with some interesting design issues of it's own... -- Regards, Lucas 2006/1/26, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Op Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:49:09 +0100 schreef Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I remember a rumor that the first Pentax DSLR was going to have LCD preview (about six months before the *ist came out). Doesn't anyone else remember that? So I am suspicious of this PDF. That part seems like a recycled rumor. But you are right about the live preview thing. EVERY Pentax DSLR has reported this feature in the initial press releases as I recall. Obviously, it is not a true feature. Either they have been working on it for years (and it's finally finished), or they recycle their press releases (and keep forgetting to edit it out) How could they (and why would they?) implement it? How: 1) MLU, feed from the sensor 2) a seperate 0,21 Mpix sensor in the prism housing 1) is unlikely with the sensor, and would make AF tough to do as well. 2) might be feasible. Would it make the viewfinder dimmer? Why: To make both digicam and macro users happy. It seems no live preview is a showstopper for lots of digicam/prosumer users. If Pentax is smart, it doesn't argue the point, but delivers what potential customers want. As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o)
Re: Re: *ist DL2
From: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/26 Thu AM 01:31:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Hi, Am I the only one, who have got tired of those low-end 6MPix Pentaxes? New body (hah), same sensor, nothing really new...again and again... But what about that 35mm gear? Decades of the same old body, using the same old stuff. And don't get me started on the 6x7... - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/26 Thu AM 01:31:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Hi, Am I the only one, who have got tired of those low-end 6MPix Pentaxes? New body (hah), same sensor, nothing really new...again and again... But what about that 35mm gear? Decades of the same old body, using the same old stuff. Then you could change to a more modern kind of film DagT
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From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip To make both digicam and macro users happy. It seems no live preview is a showstopper for lots of digicam/prosumer users. If Pentax is smart, it doesn't argue the point, but delivers what potential customers want. As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o) Lying in the mud is to avoid scaring the birds, not for any (artistic) photographic reason. Still, live preview might make it even easier to keep your head down. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/26 Thu AM 09:12:59 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: *ist DL2 fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/26 Thu AM 01:31:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Hi, Am I the only one, who have got tired of those low-end 6MPix Pentaxes? New body (hah), same sensor, nothing really new...again and again... But what about that 35mm gear? Decades of the same old body, using the same old stuff. Then you could change to a more modern kind of film I was waiting for an equivalent of that Sony (ptui!) trick of seeing through clothes but it never materialised. Not likely now 8-((( - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Op Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:02:00 +0100 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip To make both digicam and macro users happy. It seems no live preview is a showstopper for lots of digicam/prosumer users. If Pentax is smart, it doesn't argue the point, but delivers what potential customers want. As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o) Lying in the mud is to avoid scaring the birds, not for any (artistic) photographic reason. Still, live preview might make it even easier to keep your head down. Ah, thanks for enlightening me. I never had the inclination to photograph birds, so I assumed Christian was after a low point-of-view. -- Regards, Lucas
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: They may well be able to spit out a sensor in short time, the question is will it be as good and as polished as those produced by companies who have been optimising similar technologies for decades, I suspect not. I am with Rob on that, common sense amplified by the fact (??? Anyone care to correct me? Please say I am wrong :-) that Samsung PS cameras are not acclaimed for their sensor technology. I of course hope they can surprise us. Kostas
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:50:10 -, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: They may well be able to spit out a sensor in short time, the question is will it be as good and as polished as those produced by companies who have been optimising similar technologies for decades, I suspect not. I am with Rob on that, common sense amplified by the fact (??? Anyone care to correct me? Please say I am wrong :-) that Samsung PS cameras are not acclaimed for their sensor technology. I of course hope they can surprise us. You're wrong. :-) I don't know if you have read DP Review's review of Samsung's recently introduced Pro815. Although there are a number of criticisms of the camera (eg: shutter lag, no IS), there is no criticism of the sensor itself. Whilst it might not have received aclaim, it hasn't received brickbats either. The impression one is left with is that the sensor does the job perfectly satisfactorily. Samsung is one of the world's biggest chip makers, so I would not expect them to have too much difficulty producing a larger sensor of similar quality. Sensor chips are becoming a commodity now; the technology is old hat. Incidentally, in the conclusion DP Review said: For a 'first attempt' at a 'prosumer' camera it is nothing short of remarkable. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Well, sorry for being sceptical, but this is not an official site. I am not sure about that site, but it might be yellow press as well (which bought the sensational pdf floating around). Pentax site in Japan (as well as in UK, US) is silent. Igor Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:47:47 -0800 Lucas Rijnders wrote: Hi all, The camera appears to be true. No mention of a (live) preview. See http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/dslr/2006/01/26/3087.html. -- Regards, Lucas
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Lucas Rijnders wrote: Why: As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o) honestly, no. Part of lying on the ground is stalking the birds; don't want to frighten them off. Besides, half the fun is the approach! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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mike wilson wrote: From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip To make both digicam and macro users happy. It seems no live preview is a showstopper for lots of digicam/prosumer users. If Pentax is smart, it doesn't argue the point, but delivers what potential customers want. As for macro: weren't you the one lying in the mud to photograph birds? A preview on a flip-screen might make life easier for you :o) Lying in the mud is to avoid scaring the birds, not for any (artistic) photographic reason. Still, live preview might make it even easier to keep your head down. m Yes, but your head is always going to be just as high as the viewfinder anyway. Might as well have a clear, bright viewfinder than a useless LCD (my opinion). -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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German Pentax site appears to have the announcement: http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=142 Igor
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Op Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:03:45 +0100 schreef Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, sorry for being sceptical, but this is not I don't mind, I said 'appears to be true' on purpose :o) an official site. I am not sure about that site, but it might be yellow press as well (which bought the sensational pdf floating around). Pentax site in Japan (as well as in UK, US) is silent. But Pentax Germany isn't: http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=142 -Not for Europe -Not-really-live preview -- Regards, Lucas Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:47:47 -0800 Lucas Rijnders wrote: Hi all, The camera appears to be true. No mention of a (live) preview. See http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/dslr/2006/01/26/3087.html.
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Igor Roshchin wrote on 26.01.06 16:11: German Pentax site appears to have the announcement: http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/news/index.php?photonewsgruppe=news_id=142 From specifications it seems it will have a kind of preview on LCD by just pulling preview lever: Elektronische Bildvorschau Hierfür wird die Funktion der Abblendtaste benutzt und ein elektronisches Vorschaubild auf dem Display gezeigt. Anhand dieser Probebelichtung können Schärfe, Belichtung und Bildkomposition überprüft werden. Dieses Bild wird nicht gespeichert. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
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On 26 Jan 2006 at 10:51, John Forbes wrote: Samsung is one of the world's biggest chip makers, so I would not expect them to have too much difficulty producing a larger sensor of similar quality. Sensor chips are becoming a commodity now; the technology is old hat. I believe it's just a little more complicated than you allude to :-) Incidentally, in the conclusion DP Review said: For a 'first attempt' at a 'prosumer' camera it is nothing short of remarkable. So who makes the sensor used in the Samsung Pro815? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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More or less? Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:59:40 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Woohoo! Even less of what I want. Less is more. William Robb
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Hi, No, 'cause I still use film. There are still no Pentax digital body that fully fulfills my requirements of quality. BR, Margus Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Is the quality of your photographs being compromised by these low end cameras? Godfrey devil's advocate
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Hi, there's a BIG difference - Pentax film bodies are more or less technically perfect, there's actually nothing missing, both from quality and handling. I am very satisfied with my Z-1p. Digitals are the whole different story - quality of current 6MPix chip used in Pentaxes do not satisfy me. And there ARE much better chips and ergonomics found at other manufacturers cameras. I do review couple of cameras for our local computer/digital photography magazine every month - so I really have had cameras to compare with. Lately reviewed Nikon D200 blows the whole *ist D family away *hands down*... I'm not going to say a word about Canon 5D. I'm sorry, I even do consider this dirt-cheap Olympus E-500 better than *ist DL... The only reason I do not buy 'em is a pile of superior Pentax lenses I do have (and having quite permanently some digital SLR in my hands for testing)... BR, Margus mike wilson wrote: From: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/26 Thu AM 01:31:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: *ist DL2 Hi, Am I the only one, who have got tired of those low-end 6MPix Pentaxes? New body (hah), same sensor, nothing really new...again and again... But what about that 35mm gear? Decades of the same old body, using the same old stuff. And don't get me started on the 6x7... - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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In what ways do you find the D200 superior to the Pentax cameras? I'd be interested in your comments about weight, size, ergonomics, as well as any other thoughts you may have. Thanks! Shel [Original Message] From: Margus Männik Lately reviewed Nikon D200 blows the whole *ist D family away *hands down*...
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Having played with one: MF lens compatibility (Even matrix meters with AI lenses, no stop-down metering, and does proper Aperture priority). this was the biggest weakness of the D100, D70(s) and D50 and Nikon has fixed it in spades (the D200 is one of the few bodies Nikon ever made that matrix meters with non-CPU lenses) Build. Better even than the D. This feels like a pro body, it's build nearly as well as an F100. Speed. Faster AF, MUCH bigger buffer, MUCH faster write speeds. Image quality, well unless you got one of the bodies with banding issues (Rare but not enough for it to be a non-issue), the image quality is noticably better (6-10MP is a much more noticable jump than 6-8MP). Better high-ISO performance (Not a big deal, even the D blows film out of the water at ISO 800 and above). 1/250 flash sync vs 1/180. Big deal for outdoors. Plus there's an available i-TTL macro setup as well as an i-TTL tilt/swivel head flash (Pentax can't match the former currently and the latter is waiting on the delayed AF540FGZ) Ergonomics are similar I find, except for the AE/AF-L button, which is much easier to find without looking on the D200 than on any of the *ist's (The D is particularly bad here, you'll almost always hit the exp comp button instead, it's the D's biggest ergonomic problem). Overall I slightly prefer the D's ergonomics though, apart from the mildly annoying AE-Lock button issue. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: In what ways do you find the D200 superior to the Pentax cameras? I'd be interested in your comments about weight, size, ergonomics, as well as any other thoughts you may have. Thanks! Shel [Original Message] From: Margus Männik Lately reviewed Nikon D200 blows the whole *ist D family away *hands down*...
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Is this thread, named *sit DL2 about the Nikon D200 now? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. januar 2006 18:41 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Having played with one: MF lens compatibility (Even matrix meters with AI lenses, no stop-down metering, and does proper Aperture priority). this was the biggest weakness of the D100, D70(s) and D50 and Nikon has fixed it in spades (the D200 is one of the few bodies Nikon ever made that matrix meters with non-CPU lenses) Build. Better even than the D. This feels like a pro body, it's build nearly as well as an F100. Speed. Faster AF, MUCH bigger buffer, MUCH faster write speeds. Image quality, well unless you got one of the bodies with banding issues (Rare but not enough for it to be a non-issue), the image quality is noticably better (6-10MP is a much more noticable jump than 6-8MP). Better high-ISO performance (Not a big deal, even the D blows film out of the water at ISO 800 and above). 1/250 flash sync vs 1/180. Big deal for outdoors. Plus there's an available i-TTL macro setup as well as an i-TTL tilt/swivel head flash (Pentax can't match the former currently and the latter is waiting on the delayed AF540FGZ) Ergonomics are similar I find, except for the AE/AF-L button, which is much easier to find without looking on the D200 than on any of the *ist's (The D is particularly bad here, you'll almost always hit the exp comp button instead, it's the D's biggest ergonomic problem). Overall I slightly prefer the D's ergonomics though, apart from the mildly annoying AE-Lock button issue. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: In what ways do you find the D200 superior to the Pentax cameras? I'd be interested in your comments about weight, size, ergonomics, as well as any other thoughts you may have. Thanks! Shel [Original Message] From: Margus Männik Lately reviewed Nikon D200 blows the whole *ist D family away *hands down*...
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I'm sure Pentax will have something to say about the quality of sensors put into cameras, that are somewhat connected to the Pentax name. Samsung is an experienced camera maker (Rollei w. Schneider lenses) and maker of all kinds of consumer electronics - inculding mobile phones. If Korean Samsung wanted to make cheap (crap) cameras, they could easily do so without any help from renowned Pentax, Schneider or whatever. Unless - of course - Pentax is planning to stop making cameras and just make lenses etc. for Samsung - like Konica-Minolta seems to be planning to, for SONY. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. januar 2006 10:50 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: They may well be able to spit out a sensor in short time, the question is will it be as good and as polished as those produced by companies who have been optimising similar technologies for decades, I suspect not. I am with Rob on that, common sense amplified by the fact (??? Anyone care to correct me? Please say I am wrong :-) that Samsung PS cameras are not acclaimed for their sensor technology. I of course hope they can surprise us. Kostas
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 10:54:43PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: I'm sure Pentax will have something to say about the quality of sensors put into cameras, that are somewhat connected to the Pentax name. Samsung is an experienced camera maker (Rollei w. Schneider lenses) and maker of all kinds of consumer electronics - inculding mobile phones. For that matter, they may just continue to use Sony sensors. Sony and Samsung have just announced a $2 billion cooperative agreement for consumer electronics in the Japanese marketplace. Sony Samsung could just be partners, not cut-throat rivals.
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On 26 Jan 2006 at 18:03, John Francis wrote: For that matter, they may just continue to use Sony sensors. Exactly Sony and Samsung have just announced a $2 billion cooperative agreement for consumer electronics in the Japanese marketplace. Sony Samsung could just be partners, not cut-throat rivals. Nor do we have a clue how the financial aspects of the deal will be structured or what of advantages they aim to gain by the partnering. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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aka Samsung GX-1L, isn't it? Dario - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: *ist DL2 Supposedly coming in March: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=16868507 and http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf Joe
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Rob Studdert wrote on 25.01.06 5:27: How cool would that be, a 6MP DSLR from Pentax! They can't be serious :-( Rob, if it is serious it would just confirm rumours heard before that it would be the last *istD based DSLR from Pentax, which should be shown on PMA '06. Then a few months later completely new DSLR with 10 MPix sensor from Sony should arrive. Who knows? Maybe with SR-ised sensor? Let's hold our breath till Photokina, even that I know too many have held it for too long and died ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
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Op Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:06:05 +0100 schreef Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aka Samsung GX-1L, isn't it? The 5 AF points a a giveaway, aren't they :o) Supposedly coming in March: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=16868507 and http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf The live preview could be a killer feature, depending on how well it's done. Bit of an odd body to introduce it in... -- Regards, Lucas
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Lucas Rijnders wrote on 25.01.06 9:28: The live preview could be a killer feature, depending on how well it's done. Bit of an odd body to introduce it in... It's a good body for such a feature as it is important mainly for people switching from digicams, who would be main target for DL2 :-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
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On 25 Jan 2006 at 9:28, Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:06:05 +0100 schreef Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aka Samsung GX-1L, isn't it? The 5 AF points a a giveaway, aren't they :o) Supposedly coming in March: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=16868507 and http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf The live preview could be a killer feature, depending on how well it's done. Bit of an odd body to introduce it in... This PDF press release isn't reflected on the Pentax Japan site nor does the document appear to follow the normal protocols for their official press releases. Leak maybe, but still too dodgy for me. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Op Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:35:01 +0100 schreef Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lucas Rijnders wrote on 25.01.06 9:28: The live preview could be a killer feature, depending on how well it's done. Bit of an odd body to introduce it in... It's a good body for such a feature as it is important mainly for people switching from digicams, who would be main target for DL2 :-) Yes you are right. I meant that I find it odd they introduce a feature with the potential to seriously upset the prosumer and low-end SLR market in what is in the end just a slightly updated camera. Like they want to sneak it in without telling anyone. I think it would make more sense in a completely new body with a new 8 Mp sensor. For the people who'd want live preview Mp's are important. Such camera, and it's live preview would probably get more attention. Oh well, first see if it's true, and what it actually is :o) -- Regards, Lucas
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In a message dated 1/24/2006 8:36:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wonder how they're going to do live LCD preview, It has the potential to be really lame. William Robb Actually, I remember a rumor that the first Pentax DSLR was going to have LCD preview (about six months before the *ist came out). Doesn't anyone else remember that? So I am suspicious of this PDF. That part seems like a recycled rumor. Marnie aka Doe
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Rob Studdert wrote: This PDF press release isn't reflected on the Pentax Japan site nor does the document appear to follow the normal protocols for their official press releases. Leak maybe, but still too dodgy for me. Rob Studdert It's definitely not a released press release, the editing is inconsistent. It could very well be a leak though. -Adam
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/24/2006 8:36:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wonder how they're going to do live LCD preview, It has the potential to be really lame. William Robb Actually, I remember a rumor that the first Pentax DSLR was going to have LCD preview (about six months before the *ist came out). Doesn't anyone else remember that? So I am suspicious of this PDF. That part seems like a recycled rumor. I'm not suspicious of the DL2... I'm sure it is coming out. It is a Pentax badged Samsung GX-1L. But you are right about the live preview thing. EVERY Pentax DSLR has reported this feature in the initial press releases as I recall. Obviously, it is not a true feature. How could they (and why would they?) implement it? -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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Rob Studdert wrote: http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf How cool would that be, a 6MP DSLR from Pentax! And Bill Robb wrote: 6 whole megapixels I dunno I think they can squeeze 2 or 3 more low-end bodies... actually make that 4 or 6 (count the Samsung badged bodies now!) out of that Sony sensor. :-) I wonder if Sony has dropped any deals with Pentax now that they have their own line of DSLRs... Maybe all Pentax can get are the older 6MP CCDs... -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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Adam Maas wrote: Wonder how they're going to do live LCD preview, although it's a brilliant idea given the number of new DSLR users who complain about the lack. I don't see it claiming that the preview will be live. My guess is that you'll be able to preview the photo by pressing a button - effectively the camera will take a photo and display it on the screen, but not save it to the card. Could be quicker than chimping/retaking in certain circumstances, I guess :-) S
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I'd bet Samsung is going to make CCD's - if they haven't already! For Samsung and Pentax. Or perhaps Pentax is planning to do so, leaving the rest of the body parts to the Koreans. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. januar 2006 15:54 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *ist DL2 Rob Studdert wrote: http://www.cideway.com.au/images/I06-03%20istDL2.pdf How cool would that be, a 6MP DSLR from Pentax! And Bill Robb wrote: 6 whole megapixels I dunno I think they can squeeze 2 or 3 more low-end bodies... actually make that 4 or 6 (count the Samsung badged bodies now!) out of that Sony sensor. :-) I wonder if Sony has dropped any deals with Pentax now that they have their own line of DSLRs... Maybe all Pentax can get are the older 6MP CCDs... -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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Jens Bladt wrote: I'd bet Samsung is going to make CCD's - if they haven't already! For Samsung and Pentax. Or perhaps Pentax is planning to do so, leaving the rest of the body parts to the Koreans. Someone mentioned on this list that Samsung has not made the type of CCD required for a DSLR... If this is true and they decide to start making them now (or Pentax decides to make them, which they have shown no intention of so far) to supply themselves and Pentax, how far behind do you think they will be (considering Sony and Canon have been making sensors for a while now)? I hope they can stick with Sony for development and continuity, but again, there is only speculation about what the D replacement will have. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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- Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone mentioned on this list that Samsung has not made the type of CCD required for a DSLR... If this is true and they decide to start making them now (or Pentax decides to make them, which they have shown no intention of so far) to supply themselves and Pentax, how far behind do you think they will be (considering Sony and Canon have been making sensors for a while now)? What they have been making so far is completely irrelevant. For all we know Samsung may sit on top patents on sensors. The production side of technology is really not an issue. Besides, Pentax would not have teamed up with Samsung if they couldn't provide competitive technology. Pål
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On 25 Jan 2006 at 21:08, Pål Jensen wrote: What they have been making so far is completely irrelevant. For all we know Samsung may sit on top patents on sensors. The production side of technology is really not an issue. Besides, Pentax would not have teamed up with Samsung if they couldn't provide competitive technology. Patents aren't products. Realizing and optimising a sensor which is of a different technology type and size than they have previously delivered will take time. Sony has been building imaging sensors for 25 years +, sure other companies will be able to get to a similar point of developmental capability in far less time now but it won't be instant. Just look at what sensors Samsung have been producing to date, nothing like anything that you'd put in a DSLR. Sony has a fab factory specifically designed to pump out imaging sensors on 300mm wafers. I admire your positive stance but I don't believe it reflects a practical perspective of the issues. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Steve Jolly wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Wonder how they're going to do live LCD preview, although it's a brilliant idea given the number of new DSLR users who complain about the lack. I don't see it claiming that the preview will be live. My guess is that you'll be able to preview the photo by pressing a button - effectively the camera will take a photo and display it on the screen, but not save it to the card. Could be quicker than chimping/retaking in certain circumstances, I guess :-) S The Fujifilm S3 has a live preview mode. It locks up the mirror and takes the live CCD image. It is in BW, and only lasts 30s, (because of the power consumption needed to keep the mirror up?). I don't know how really useful it is. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
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Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone mentioned on this list that Samsung has not made the type of CCD required for a DSLR... If this is true and they decide to start making them now (or Pentax decides to make them, which they have shown no intention of so far) to supply themselves and Pentax, how far behind do you think they will be (considering Sony and Canon have been making sensors for a while now)? Samsung? Six months, tops. And the clock's already running. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patents aren't products. Realizing and optimising a sensor which is of a different technology type and size than they have previously delivered will take time. But for all we know they may already hace realized and optimized a state of the art sensor. We simply do not know. Arguments that they haven't made suitable sensors in the past precludes them of making them tomorrow is simply nonsensical. Pål
