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On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Iren Henry Chu wrote: On the other hand, D-SLRs like D100 use Interline Frame Readout CCDs which are complex and very expensive to manufacture. These CCDs cannot record images in a continuous manner like the Interlaced CCD do and they needs mechanical shutters. Actually, I am wondering what this term Interline Frame Readout CCD means. As far as I know, CCD can only belong to one of the following types: Interline transfer, Frame transfer and Full-Frame transfer. but not two at the same time!! I see that this term is used in dpreview and I believe it could be a mis-translation. In fact, D100 uses Sony ICX413AQ CCD sensor, and its specs stated that it is a conventional interlaced interline transfer CCD. It claimed better saturation, sensitivity and smear value; but nothing special about its CCD design. http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/200202/02-0220/ As it is a interlaced sensor design, a mechanical shutter is required. As far as the speed, it is mostly affected by the design rather than the underlying technology. The recently announced Kodak 11 Meg CCD KAI-11000CM can generate image as fast as 20 frames per second. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
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Thanks. You've answered many questions here, some of which I haven't asked yet. Aside from battery life, what are the advantages of the IFR CCD's? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/02 10:36AM Dear all, Steve Desjardins wrote: Agreed. My point of comparison is the E-10 (you have this one too, right?) and it eats rechargeable AA's at an alarming rate. I almost always got though one entire set when I go shooting. It really changes your outlook on batteries, just like a laptop. E-10/E-20 is a completely different technology from D-SLRs like D100 or D1X. The major power consumption in digital cameras come from their image sensor and the preview/review LCD at the camera back. E-10/E-20, like other consumer DCs, use Interlaced CCD which is simpler and cheaper to manufacture. These CCDs have very fast shooting rate, allowing you shoot 10-20 images continuously at 1 second. That's why you can use the DC to shot short movies and turn on the LCD at the back at all time to review/preview the image. Therefore, DCs based oon Interlaced CCD are battery-eaters. On the other hand, D-SLRs like D100 use Interline Frame Readout CCDs which are complex and very expensive to manufacture. These CCDs cannot record images in a continuous manner like the Interlaced CCD do and they needs mechanical shutters. You cannot shot movies with D-SLRs or preview the image at the LCD. All you can do is to review the image you have taken. Therefore, people using D-SLR would not continously turn on the LCD at the camera back in the way they do on consumer DCs. This saves a lot of battery power. Regards, Henry Chu 29/10/2002 _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!á Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR
On 29 Oct 2002 at 23:36, Iren Henry Chu wrote: E-10/E-20 is a completely different technology from D-SLRs like D100 or D1X. The major power consumption in digital cameras come from their image sensor and the preview/review LCD at the camera back. E-10/E-20, like other consumer DCs, use Interlaced CCD which is simpler and cheaper to manufacture. These CCDs have very fast shooting rate, allowing you shoot 10-20 images continuously at 1 second. That's why you can use the DC to shot short movies and turn on the LCD at the back at all time to review/preview the image. Therefore, DCs based oon Interlaced CCD are battery-eaters. E-10/20 have no movie modes and can only shoot up to 4fps, they have a true optical finder however they use a splitter not a mirror like conventional SLRs. Preview is available however I seldom use it however I do occasional review and display histograms of stored images. Whist they are undoubtably different technology and class my E-10 eats batteries at a similar rate to my friends fully fledged DSLRs, my batteries are high capacity AA NiMH cells and are well maintained. If you check this document you will see that in fact the mechanical systems involved in focussing and also flash charge consume the most power in the E-10 http://oly-e.com/pdf/power.pdf Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR
Dear all, Rob Studdert wrote: E-10/20 have no movie modes and can only shoot up to 4fps, they have a true optical finder however they use a splitter not a mirror like conventional SLRs. Preview is available however I seldom use it however I do occasional review and display histograms of stored images. I was talking about a general case for DCs using interlaced CCD. There are other parts in the DCs that also eats power. E10/20 is a bit different from consumer DC because they have a larger CCD than consumer DCs. But in terms of image sensor technology, they are the same blood as consumer DCs, instead of D-SLRs. If you check this document you will see that in fact the mechanical systems involved in focussing and also flash charge consume the most power in the E-10 http://oly-e.com/pdf/power.pdf This would also cause the difference. Most of the pro D-SLRs like D1x or 1D, they don't have built-in flash at all while Fuji's S2 use a separate power source for operating the internal flash and auto-focusing. Nikon has done the trick by reducing the output power of the built-in flash of D-100 (it is still rated at GN11 despite the higher ISO and 1.5X FOV). I do worry about the power consumption rate of the coming Pentax D-SLR which has built-in flash while MZ-S is a known battery eater. Regards, Henry Chu 30/10/2002 _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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Dear all, Steve Desjardins wrote: Thanks. You've answered many questions here, some of which I haven't asked yet. Aside from battery life, what are the advantages of the IFR CCD's? I want to clarify in my previous that IFR CCD would not use less power in the camera. However, it affects how we use the LCD at the camera back and the way the camera operates the CCD (as there is no preview, it would only be switched on when taking photographs). For consumer DCs, the CCD and LCD are always switched on when doing the previews and movies-taking. For IFR CCD, they have higher sensitivity at low light as it allows the use of bigger light sensor at each pixel due to the way the transmission circuits are arranged. They also have higher dynamic range than the CCDs in consumer DCs. Regards, Henry Chu 30/10/2002 _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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Well from the sounds of it, I'm going to have to go door to door across Canada and ahhh...convince people to buy the MZ-S ;-) Brad (The guy who still doesn't have a cable release) Dobo - Original Message - From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I spoke to the Pentax rep. for Melbourne Australia and they have been really surprised at how well the MZ-S has sold and for a while the demand exceeded what they could supply. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hey Pål, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I've been told it has sold more than expected. Well, I really hope that is true. I'm basing my thoughts on what I've heard in the stores and the reps (Pentax Canada) that it was not very popular there. I hope I'm not stepping too far out of bounds by saying the US is similar. If it sells well to the rest of the world that is great, it keeps Pentax going. Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. No doubt that is true. When I speak of professional and Pentax, I mean Type A camera is the entry-level camera and Type B is the professional version. Just within Pentax. So to me, the MZ-S is a Professional Pentax camera. Am I making sense? Next is their medium format. Just going from what I've read here, it's *more* professional than the 35mm. In fact, don't some of our members use medium format Pentax cameras in their photography business, hence, professionally? I think I agree with you, I hope you understand what I'm pointing out. Brad Dobo
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Anyone with contacts in the FBI? Perhaps we can send the photos to them, have them analyzed and see what happens ;) Better yet, Pal, can't you secretly snatch the camera, or cameras, and we'll do some x-ray testing? ; Anon (hehehe) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Pål Jensen wrote: My guess is that this web site, or their Pentax source, is just recirculating old images of a defunct prototype that might or might not be close to the real thing. I agree with Pål on this topic. That picture is identical in all details to MR-52 prototype of Photokina 2000 (see http://digilander.libero.it/aohc/photokina2000_1e.htm and I don't believe it will be the new Pentax DSLR. Obviously Pentax will save the most from their experience in making the MR-52 (aka MD-S), but I bet the product on sale will be different from that prototype. Cheers, Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com
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Someone wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Someone should tell all those big dollar pros who shot automotive location photos for the car companies. Many of them, perhaps the majority, are using the Pentax 6x7. But I guess it's not professional until the people who talk about cameras on the internet decide that it qualifies. Paul Stenquist
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Someone wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Someone should tell all those big dollar pros who shot automotive location photos for the car companies. Many of them, perhaps the majority, are using the Pentax 6x7. But I guess it's not professional until the people who talk about cameras on the internet decide that it qualifies. Paul Stenquist Absolutely. Whoever wrote that needs to give their head a shake. As much as I disparage Pentax service, their medium format service to me has always been top drawer. Totally professional. William Robb
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At 05:09 PM 10/28/02 +, you wrote: The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version aimed at non-pros who don't want a bulky camera. I concur totally with Pal here. The MZ-S is already significantly smaller than many of the prosumer models: MZ-S - 136.5 x 95.0 x 64.0mm (5.4 x 3.7 x 2.5 in) EOS-3 (film) - 161 x 119.2 x 70.8 mm (6.3 x 4.7 x 2.8 in. ) D100 - 144 x 116 x 81 mm (5.7 x 4.6 x 3.2 in) Canon D60 - 150 x 107 x 75 mm (5.9 x 4.2 x 3.0 in) Sigma SD9 - 152 x 120 x 79 mm (6 x 4.7 x 3.1 in) Adding the built-in grip/battery pack to the bottom of the MZ-S adds some to the height of the MZ-D, and maybe something to the depth (but the right hand grip on the MZ-S already sticks out pretty far), but I don't think it would be significantly bigger than any of the models listed above. The Nikon D100 takes a big battery pack, same for the D60. (Don't know if the Sigma has an external battery grip). Maybe the battery grip on the MZ-D will be optional, but I don't see them using a chassis that is smaller than the current MZ-S. --Mike
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- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR William wrote: Absolutely. Whoever wrote that needs to give their head a shake. Nonsense. Pentax doesn't do any marketing towards professional use (or amateur for that matter). They sell to whomever buys it. I suppose Nikon and Canon are more cliqueey about whom they sell F5s, EOS1s and what ever the heck they are calling their digital flavour of the month? Get real, if you have the cash, they aren't checking for pro credentials at the camera counter. As much as I disparage Pentax service, their medium format service to me has always been top drawer. Totally professional. The fact is that Pentax doesn't have professional MF service at all. They have service and they make no distinction between MF or 35mm gear. Professionals, however, get speeded service whether its the Z-1p or 67. All a pro really wants is expedited service in the event the equipment goes into the shop. If they are doing that for the pro, then they are giving pro service, whether they call it a pro division or not doesn't really matter. You are right about the marketing, but admit it, they are consistent across the board with it. I can't believe I just defended Pentax service, William Robb Pål
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Brad, in the field I clean my glasses a LOT more than I clean my lenses. In fact, my lenses tend to get a bit of breath before mounting, mebbe a swipe with insert your favorite lens cleaning method here once a month, and a careful sit-down cleaning about once a year or whenever the heck I feel like it. But the glasses get cleaned OFTEN in the field. -Lon Brad Dobo wrote: snip Now, viewfinder again. I also wear glasses, just normal, not bi-focals or such. It has the same diopter range as the MZ-5n, and it does not allow me to use the viewfinder without my glasses. So it's no better there, and while they provide the eyecup for these cameras, I tend to get streaks and what not on my glasses, which are at any time, annoying, and have to constantly clean my glasses. I don't know if I've help you a lot. I find it far better than the MZ-5n, but as to the questions you specifically asked, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement. Brad Dobo
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On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 01:11 PM, Lon Williamson wrote: Brad, in the field I clean my glasses a LOT more than I clean my lenses. In fact, my lenses tend to get a bit of breath before mounting, mebbe a swipe with insert your favorite lens cleaning method here once a month, and a careful sit-down cleaning about once a year or whenever the heck I feel like it. But the glasses get cleaned OFTEN in the field. -Lon Fortunately, I can still shoot with my glasses off as long as the diopter switch is all the way to the right. The backsides of my lenses get checked for dust when I swap 'em. Haven't had to clean my son's fingerprints or cake * frosting off the front element since I showed him how to focus and hold the camera properly. Dan Scott *77/1.8, imagine the look of surprise on my face. g
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This danged brotherhood stuff is ticking me off. I decided long ago to stick with Pentax 35mm, and you 6x7 folks just keep hurling up the big neg arguement, and I want a 6x7 but I want a 300 f4 for K mount even more. Damn, this group is expensive. Grin. -Lon Paul Stenquist wrote: Someone wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Someone should tell all those big dollar pros who shot automotive location photos for the car companies. Many of them, perhaps the majority, are using the Pentax 6x7. But I guess it's not professional until the people who talk about cameras on the internet decide that it qualifies. Paul Stenquist
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I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/02 01:47PM At 05:09 PM 10/28/02 +, you wrote: The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version aimed at non-pros who don't want a bulky camera. I concur totally with Pal here. The MZ-S is already significantly smaller than many of the prosumer models: MZ-S - 136.5 x 95.0 x 64.0mm (5.4 x 3.7 x 2.5 in) EOS-3 (film) - 161 x 119.2 x 70.8 mm (6.3 x 4.7 x 2.8 in. ) D100 - 144 x 116 x 81 mm (5.7 x 4.6 x 3.2 in) Canon D60 - 150 x 107 x 75 mm (5.9 x 4.2 x 3.0 in) Sigma SD9 - 152 x 120 x 79 mm (6 x 4.7 x 3.1 in) Adding the built-in grip/battery pack to the bottom of the MZ-S adds some to the height of the MZ-D, and maybe something to the depth (but the right hand grip on the MZ-S already sticks out pretty far), but I don't think it would be significantly bigger than any of the models listed above. The Nikon D100 takes a big battery pack, same for the D60. (Don't know if the Sigma has an external battery grip). Maybe the battery grip on the MZ-D will be optional, but I don't see them using a chassis that is smaller than the current MZ-S. --Mike
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- Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brother Bruce: Repent now for Seduction Of a Pdml'er or Prepareth Yourself to Defend Wannabe Brother Lon in court when divorce #3409-b comes up for settlement. Careful Brother Bruce, it sounds like soon-to-be-Brother Lon is preparing for a change of operating systems. Brother William
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Ah heck, I really should have bought the Nikon F100. It wasn't as if I was tied down to Pentax thru lenses. I can imagine the nightmare getting parts to fix this thing in the future will be. Ya ya, it's a great camera now, enjoy it, yadda yadda, but how about accessories as well in the future? (This from a guy who's working now on nearly 3 months for a simple $%$ cable release. Peeved Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brad wrote: I asked this before and was told they were developed as twins, that the MZ-S was not a DSLR that didn't work out and ended up being made into a 35mm camera. What's the real story? The MD-S was developed as a digital camera. Somewhere along the way, the bosses decided to make a film version of the camera to much dismay of the engineers. So MZ-S didn't figure into Pentax long term film slr plans (if they indeed have such plans!). Pål
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It is slowly becoming the latest Optio by the time it comes out. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version aimed at non-pros who don't want a bulky camera. I concur totally with Pal here. -Original Message- From: Michael Nosal [mailto:mike.nosal;divine.com] Sent: 28 October 2002 16:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR At 05:29 PM 10/28/02 +0100, Pål Jensen wrote: I for one would expect a new APS sized CCD digital slr to be significantly smaller than the MR-52 prototype. Pål Why? The K-mount is the same size, the mirror box is the same size. The thing will still need plenty of battery power. The LCD screen still takes up room. The Canon D30/D60 uses an APS size sensor and it isn't significantly smaller than the EOS-3. Olympus's E10/E20 are fairly substantial in size, and their 4/3rds system prototype appeared to be the same size. --Mike
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I hope you are right Rob. I cannot imagine if something breaks in it a year from now. I'll send it away and get it back a year later. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I don't quite buy this. IF the MD-S/MZ-D/MR-52 was designed SOLELY as a digital camera from the beginning it would be unlikely that the body would be shaped in such a way to make a film camera sensible. The insides would likely have been designed in a way that the film gubbins did not sensibly fit. Unless the change to produce the film version happenned early enough in the life cycle that the design of the digital body could be altered to factor this in. But if it happenned this early then the effect wont be far different to developing them as twins anyway. -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com] Sent: 28 October 2002 16:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brad wrote: I asked this before and was told they were developed as twins, that the MZ-S was not a DSLR that didn't work out and ended up being made into a 35mm camera. What's the real story? The MD-S was developed as a digital camera. Somewhere along the way, the bosses decided to make a film version of the camera to much dismay of the engineers. So MZ-S didn't figure into Pentax long term film slr plans (if they indeed have such plans!). Pål
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- Original Message - From: Michael Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Why? The K-mount is the same size, the mirror box is the same size. The thing will still need plenty of battery power. The LCD screen still takes up room. Yup, they eat batteries like crazy, photographers will be like cigarette smokes, just toss 'em on the ground when ya replace 'em. That's not going to help the environment. Overboard? *slightly* This time it is signed, Anon (refer replies to Bruce R.) ;-) The Canon D30/D60 uses an APS size sensor and it isn't significantly smaller than the EOS-3. Olympus's E10/E20 are fairly substantial in size, and their 4/3rds system prototype appeared to be the same size. --Mike
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Argh.who wants to lug that type of stuff around, camera body only too!! Imagine a good lens and a flash? Ha! Start bulking up guys ;-) - Original Message - From: Michael Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Adding the built-in grip/battery pack to the bottom of the MZ-S adds some to the height of the MZ-D, and maybe something to the depth (but the right hand grip on the MZ-S already sticks out pretty far), but I don't think it would be significantly bigger than any of the models listed above. The Nikon D100 takes a big battery pack, same for the D60. (Don't know if the Sigma has an external battery grip). Maybe the battery grip on the MZ-D will be optional, but I don't see them using a chassis that is smaller than the current MZ-S. --Mike
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I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. There is little reason why a DSLR would be worse for battery consumption than a digital PS, and there's no winding mechanism so there's more space in the body - I would suggest that a 4xAA system would be the best - use 2xCR-V3 for long disposable use, NiMH for everyday and if you're caught short with no power buy some duracells...
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Battery consumption has never been a real consideration with the digital cameras I use. They are Lithium Ion rechargeables and have plenty of power to carry me through a wedding or any other assignment I get. I top off the charge thhe night before I do the shoot and I have always had plenty of power to spare. Len --- From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:59:06 - I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. There is little reason why a DSLR would be worse for battery consumption than a digital PS, and there's no winding mechanism so there's more space in the body - I would suggest that a 4xAA system would be the best - use 2xCR-V3 for long disposable use, NiMH for everyday and if you're caught short with no power buy some duracells... _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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At about $300 Cdn for batteries for the N D1, no one's tossing used batteries like cigarettes. The batteries are rechargeable. Problem is, a pro out on a shoot will likely need at least two sets of batteries to get through the day. cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Yup, they eat batteries like crazy, photographers will be like cigarette smokes, just toss 'em on the ground when ya replace 'em. That's not going to help the environment. Overboard? *slightly* -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Hmmyes, that is an expensive throw-away item :) I wasn't thinking straight when I wrote the email. You have to you rechargeable of some kind, not Duracells, even in my tiny 230 it takes less than 5-10s to drain 2AA - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR At about $300 Cdn for batteries for the N D1, no one's tossing used batteries like cigarettes. The batteries are rechargeable. Problem is, a pro out on a shoot will likely need at least two sets of batteries to get through the day. cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Yup, they eat batteries like crazy, photographers will be like cigarette smokes, just toss 'em on the ground when ya replace 'em. That's not going to help the environment. Overboard? *slightly* -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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On 28 Oct 2002 at 17:09, Rob Brigham wrote: The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version aimed at non-pros who don't want a bulky camera. I concur totally with Pal here. I hope the supposed Pentax DSLR is based on the MR-52 chassis, Pentax will be making a big mistake if they head towards a path of unique rechargable batteries, I'd much prefer standard rechargeable AA cells like every other decent DSLR uses. You won't believe how hard these things are on batteries. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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I think it's a nice design. That angled top plate reminds me of the MZ-S. Really it looks like a very fat -S. Porky digicam! Dude, it's late! __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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I think it's a nice design. That angled top plate reminds me of the MZ-S. Really it looks like a very fat -S. Porky digicam! Dude, it's late! Late is not in my vocabulary. I've never messed with or held the existing DSLRs, but I've heard they are rather bulky by nature of the beast and heavy too. Any comments on this?
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Hi Steve, on 26 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: I do have a question, however. How difficult is it to use the MZ-S shape but recast it in polycarbonate? I realize that it would require new mfg lines that cast plastic instead of bend metal, screw fittings would be needed, etc., etc., but the final product would be much cheaper and I think a few hundred bucks cheaper would make a big difference.. Interesting question. I can't answer it but I was thinking in the same direction. For me the MZ-S was never a real MZ as it has a unique design. Pal has said, that the Pentax reps sometimes are quite misunderstandig. So what if the MZ-S was the developing basis for new products and now will be the basis for the new chassis? I could imagine a new chassis line as follows: - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and the APS-sized chip - a MZ-flagship as big as the MZ-D with an integrated, fast winder and more pro-features For me this sounds sensible (altough it is pure speculation), especially as this would amortize Pentax's investments in rd. On the other hand there is missing a replacement for the cheap consumer bodies (MZ-60 etc.). So maybe these will still be produced in their present shape. And another argument against a new MZ-S-line: The LX was a similar product but it remained unique - there were no further developments into other bodies. Regards, Heiko
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Hey there Heiko, Of course we all are speculating, but I can see 2 of your points makes sense to me, but the description of a new MZ flagship or whatever one may call it, seems to be looking like a Nikon or Canon clone. Correct me here if I am wrong, but that would be breaking a long-standing tradition? I can't see it because of that and the cost to make it happen, especially since the MZ-S was a sales flop. I love it though, it's professional enough for me, and really, Pentax isn't in the professional business concerning 35mm, right? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and the APS-sized chip - a MZ-flagship as big as the MZ-D with an integrated, fast winder and more pro-features
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Hi all This is a very long thread based on the fact, that one Taiwaneese magasine didn't have a picture of the future/new Pentax DSLR, that is going to replace the abandoned (MZ-S-like) one, and used a two year old picture. We seem to know, it's going to have a 16x24mm 5 megapix CCD (?), a KAF-mount and will cost appr. 1500 USD/Euro's (Body only). As I recall the D MZ-S was supposed to cost about 6000-8000 USD/Euros, which means the new one must be very much different - since it costs about 1/4. I'll probably buy one instead of the MZ-S I never got. Faktor 1.5 focal means a 29mm will be like a 43mm, the normal lens. Basicly this doesn't mean very much in every day photography, but probably that Pentax will make some new widelangles, rectiliniar and fish-eye's, in the near future - and some new standard zooms, like a 2.8/16-60mm (24-90mm). Or maybe a SMC FA 2.8/19mm-47mm (28-70mm). It might be great fun to use theese on a 35mm body? I'll certainly like the latter. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Heiko Hamann [mailto:list.heiko;mycroft.de] Sendt: 27. oktober 2002 10:49 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hi Steve, on 26 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: I do have a question, however. How difficult is it to use the MZ-S shape but recast it in polycarbonate? I realize that it would require new mfg lines that cast plastic instead of bend metal, screw fittings would be needed, etc., etc., but the final product would be much cheaper and I think a few hundred bucks cheaper would make a big difference.. Interesting question. I can't answer it but I was thinking in the same direction. For me the MZ-S was never a real MZ as it has a unique design. Pal has said, that the Pentax reps sometimes are quite misunderstandig. So what if the MZ-S was the developing basis for new products and now will be the basis for the new chassis? I could imagine a new chassis line as follows: - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and the APS-sized chip - a MZ-flagship as big as the MZ-D with an integrated, fast winder and more pro-features For me this sounds sensible (altough it is pure speculation), especially as this would amortize Pentax's investments in rd. On the other hand there is missing a replacement for the cheap consumer bodies (MZ-60 etc.). So maybe these will still be produced in their present shape. And another argument against a new MZ-S-line: The LX was a similar product but it remained unique - there were no further developments into other bodies. Regards, Heiko
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Hi Brad, on 27 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: Of course we all are speculating, but I can see 2 of your points makes sense to me, but the description of a new MZ flagship or whatever one may call it, seems to be looking like a Nikon or Canon clone. Correct me here if I am wrong, but that would be breaking a long-standing tradition? I can't see it because of that and the cost to make it happen, especially since the MZ-S was a sales flop. I love it though, it's professional enough for me, and really, Pentax isn't in the professional business concerning 35mm, right? You're right - why should Pentax build a pro body? I was assuming that they will build a pro body as flagship. If this assumtion was right, then an MZ-XXL would make sense IMO. If a Pentax pro body would make sense is another question. I agree, that it wouldn't make sense to compete wih Canon and Nikon in their pro segments. I don't think that Pentax would be successfull to earn sufficient market shares. OTO I am not sure if the MZ-S is really such a flop as generally assumed. In my eyes the MZ-S is a niche product for a small number of photo enthusiastst. And it is really unique in this niche - there is no competitive product. I don't know the actual figures, but I could imagine that this niche strategy is more successful as generally assumed. Compare it to Leica - they don't sell large numbers but are very successful in a small, expensive niche. AFAIR Pentax never tried to offer quite expensive and exclusive products, but maybe they try to identify or build new niche markets for a pro body. The MZ-S was the first ans - maybe successful - attempt for a new semi- pro niche. Would be interesting to know its profit contribution. BTW - I'm owning a MZ-5n and a 28-105 as you do. And I'm considering to buy a MZ-S (regardless of our DSLR/flagship speculations). Is it really a big step forward from the MZ-5n regarding AF speed and accuracy? Do you like the viewfinder? As I'm wearing glasses, the I don't like the viewfinder of my MZ-5n (as most other actual viewfinders)... Regards, Heiko
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Brad wrote: I can't see it because of that and the cost to make it happen, especially since the MZ-S was a sales flop. I've been told it has sold more than expected. I love it though, it's professional enough for me, and really, Pentax isn't in the professional business concerning 35mm, right? Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Pål
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Bruce wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Thats why the story provided by Pentax UK, all new slr's from the same chassis, makes sense. I'm not convinced the MZ-S as building block for the whole Pentax slr line-up makes sense. The MZ-S was designed as a digital slr from ground up and later engineered into a film slr. This cannot be ideal. A new chassis that is engineered from ground up for both film and digital seem to make more sense. Pål
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I admit that I've decided to put other major purchases on hold and start squirreling away spare money for a bigger purchase. If this thing is really between 1200-1500 USD, then I might very well buy one. I currently enjoy using the E-10 I have access to; this idea of a having Pentax DSLR is starting to move from theoretical speculation to potential acquisition in my mind. Besides, the way these things go, I'll probably have a whole year to save up before they ar actually available. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thats all well and good, spin doctors are really worth the money. But its been what 4 years since they started this project, if time is money in business than the 5 year girl on the corner selling lemonade seems to have more sense. How long does it possibly take to bring the DSLR on the market when they had an almost working sample about a year ago. The only other explanation is that the first non working demo's were just that, I don't think they had anything concrete at that time and just hobbled something together to keep their image and have since been working on the real thing. My 2 bits Feroze - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR No problems, Brad. We (or at least I) knew what you meant first time around g. I know I've mentioned this before, but I just help commenting again: Man, you've got the strangest sleep patterns! I wake up and check my e-mails before I got to work in the morning, and you're posting at, like 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. And, here it is, 10:30 on a Saturday night, and your waking up, and looking for coffee? I wonder why you're awake in the wee hours? vbg But, on to the topic of this thread: I don't think Pentax is jerking us around; no more than any other corporation teases its market with leaks and such. They want us to think they're really working on something (and they probably are). They know there are those that really want a dslr from them, and they want to keep up interest. It may be nothing more than a marketing ploy, but I don't think it's unusual in the corporate world. I wouldn't feel too hard done by due to any of this. Now, if someone wants to be PO'ed by the fact that there is still no Pentax dslr on the market, that would be understandable... cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Argh audible swearing Should read is it just me.blah Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Of course it does. I've never had a single problem with Pentax service. DB At 9:22 PM -040010/26/02, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote, or at least typed: They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com
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I agree. I may not buy a new Pentax auto focus film camera, but wait 6 months to a year to see what Pentax comes out with. I have plenty of film cameras already and would be more than happy to thin out that collection to help pay for a new DSLR. My wife and I currently own the EI-200 and have a lot of fun with it. A APS sized DSLR would be more than adequate for us. Jim - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR (Expected streetprice US$1200) I admit that I've decided to put other major purchases on hold and start squirreling away spare money for a bigger purchase. If this thing is really between 1200-1500 USD, then I might very well buy one. I currently enjoy using the E-10 I have access to; this idea of a having Pentax DSLR is starting to move from theoretical speculation to potential acquisition in my mind. Besides, the way these things go, I'll probably have a whole year to save up before they ar actually available. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When it comes to a common chassis for film and digital, I there's less here than meets the eye. Some of the major camera structures are going to be very different between the two types of cameras. There's no film transport mechanism or film plane in a digital camera, but lots more electronics. There will be commonality of subsystems between the cameras, i.e., AF, AE, switches, knobs, lens mount, shutter, etc. BR -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com] Thats why the story provided by Pentax UK, all new slr's from the same chassis, makes sense. I'm not convinced the MZ-S as building block for the whole Pentax slr line-up makes sense. The MZ-S was designed as a digital slr from ground up and later engineered into a film slr. This cannot be ideal. A new chassis that is engineered from ground up for both film and digital seem to make more sense. Pål
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At 01:14 PM 27/10/2002 +0100, you wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Pål Yes, and Fuji Canada back up Pål's statement. I finally found which of the three registration forms you had to fill in on the Fuji website that Cameron posted about to get free film. It was the Fuji Professional challenge. You had to state what make of equipment you used in your profession. Pentax wasn't in the list for either 35mm or MF. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
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Bruce wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Thats why the story provided by Pentax UK, all new slr's from the same chassis, makes sense. I'm not convinced the MZ-S as building block for the whole Pentax slr line-up makes sense. The MZ-S was designed as a digital slr from ground up and later engineered into a film slr. This cannot be ideal. A new chassis that is engineered from ground up for both film and digital seem to make more sense. Pål Man, this is what I've been arguing all along. I mentioned long ago that the MZ-S was a derivative and therefore possibly compromised camera and most found that possibility silly. I'm not complaining about any MZ-S specifics but simply questioning whether certain of the choices would have been made if it hadn't been first designed as a digital. RSW _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 05:13 AM, arkibladt wrote: Faktor 1.5 focal means a 29mm will be like a 43mm, the normal lens. Basicly this doesn't mean very much in every day photography, but probably that Pentax will make some new widelangles, rectiliniar and fish-eye's, in the near future - and some new standard zooms, like a 2.8/16-60mm (24-90mm). Or maybe a SMC FA 2.8/19mm-47mm (28-70mm). It might be great fun to use theese on a 35mm body? I'll certainly like the latter. But only if designed for film as well. It seems like this 1.5 is a godsend to film lenses that are mushy in the corners but sharp in the center. Former dogs become star performers until you stick them on a film body and once again they become dogs. Dan Scott
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Robert wrote: This sounds utterly sensible to me, too (with the possible exception of the polycarbonate in the first one being maybe impossible as indicated in other threads). There's no prblem making the MZ-S with polycarbonate shell. All Canons with the exception of the EOS 1v use polycarbonate shell and most of them don't contain a piece of metal. Pål
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Except that we have been talking about a DSLR for half that price! Press reports $1200-$1600. Maybe at $2500 they would use the mag body, but I just don't see it at this price. -Original Message- From: Leonard Paris [mailto:kd9s;hotmail.com] I think a lower cost APS-sized, CMOS or CCD sensor could probably be brought in in the range of $2000 to $2500 without trouble, and even, perhaps, lower. Depending on the deal Pentax can make with the chip supplier. My earlier remark about it making sense for Pentax to go with their original designs to keep costs down still makes sense to me. Len --- I just don't see them releasing a MZ-S bodied digital with magnesium shell and all that for this price! _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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Thing is, until 2 days ago they had pirated images from dpreview - claiming that they were official exclusive images from Pentax. They even superimposed their own copyright symbol on the stolen images. I think Phil might have taken this up with them, and they THEN sourced some images from somewhere else. Doesn't fill me with confidence... -Original Message- From: Leonard Paris [mailto:kd9s;hotmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2002 17:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Strange, isn't it? How something like this brings forth intricate forensic examinations and people that see great conspiracies everywhere. It couldn't possibly have an iota of truth in it, since it concerns Pentax. Though, the media uses stock photos daily to illustrate articles and current news events and almost nobody is moved to point out the inconsistencies. Len --- Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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It is possible that Pentax did plan that all along, I..e, one chassis for digital and film. It would have made as much sense several years ago as it does now. Not that it would invalidate your argument. A common chassis for both media would tend to introduce compromises. It is an interesting point, however. Most of the problems with the MZ-S (Lower shutter speeds and lower FPS) are associated with it's small size. That is certainly not an accommodation to the DSLR application. I suspect that Pentax made the following argument: We made a big and inexpensive camera with lots of features, the PZ-1P, and it sold badly (so I'm told, anyway). We made these smaller ZX bodies, and they sold well. And we made those expensive limited lenses and they sold well. So let's make our high end camera with a high build quality and small size. Also, the ZX-5n was praised for it's return to a more classic set of controls. The PZ-1p was all LCD screen. So the MZ-S is a hybrid of the two. To make everyone happy, Pentax really does need the MZ-S and a higher end camera in the 12-1500 USD range. Many of the users of this list really like old style cameras, and I think that only Leica/Contax can really make a living at that. Man, this is what I've been arguing all along. I mentioned long ago that the MZ-S was a derivative and therefore possibly compromised camera and most found that possibility silly. I'm not complaining about any MZ-S specifics but simply questioning whether certain of the choices would have been made if it hadn't been first designed as a digital. RSW _ Get faster connectionsá-- switch toáMSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pål Jensen wrote: My guess is that this web site, or their Pentax source, is just recirculating old images of a defunct prototype that might or might not be close to the real thing. I agree with Pål on this topic. That picture is identical in all details to MR-52 prototype of Photokina 2000 (see http://digilander.libero.it/aohc/photokina2000_1e.htm and I don't believe it will be the new Pentax DSLR. Obviously Pentax will save the most from their experience in making the MR-52 (aka MD-S), but I bet the product on sale will be different from that prototype. Cheers, Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com
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- Original Message - From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR OTO I am not sure if the MZ-S is really such a flop as generally assumed. In my eyes the MZ-S is a niche product for a small number of photo enthusiastst. And it is really unique in this niche - there is no competitive product. I don't know the actual figures, but I could imagine that this niche strategy is more successful BTW - I'm owning a MZ-5n and a 28-105 as you do. And I'm considering to buy a MZ-S (regardless of our DSLR/flagship speculations). Is it really a big step forward from the MZ-5n regarding AF speed and accuracy? Do you like the viewfinder? As I'm wearing glasses, the I don't like the viewfinder of my MZ-5n (as most other actual viewfinders)... Regards, Heiko Hey Heiko, Well, I do like the autofocus much more than that MZ-5n. It's essential to get the grip for it. With that vertical shooting is really nice and with the additional 'veritcal' focus point helps a lot. Now, saying all that, you have to look at the equipment I use, and my stardard most used lens is the FA 50mm 1:1.4, so yes, the viewfinder is very bright! I don't have enough experience to tell you if the MZ-S finder is any better than the MZ-5n. Maybe someone with better knowledge can jump in here. I like doing macro work, and when doing so, I manually focus everything, so for me AF doesn't factor in. I've used the AF in all it's modes, and I quite like the results. Accurate, yes. Faster? I don't know. Now I'm going to lie to you. While using the AF features (like scrolling through the points) I more often than not just set it for centre focus, and re-compose. Overall, the MZ-S does kick butt, and with the grip it is a joy to hold. I have big hands. It also looks great and solves a lot of little issues I had with the MZ-5n. If you don't mind paying for it, I think you'll enjoy it. Now, viewfinder again. I also wear glasses, just normal, not bi-focals or such. It has the same diopter range as the MZ-5n, and it does not allow me to use the viewfinder without my glasses. So it's no better there, and while they provide the eyecup for these cameras, I tend to get streaks and what not on my glasses, which are at any time, annoying, and have to constantly clean my glasses. I don't know if I've help you a lot. I find it far better than the MZ-5n, but as to the questions you specifically asked, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement. Brad Dobo
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Hey Pål, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I've been told it has sold more than expected. Well, I really hope that is true. I'm basing my thoughts on what I've heard in the stores and the reps (Pentax Canada) that it was not very popular there. I hope I'm not stepping too far out of bounds by saying the US is similar. If it sells well to the rest of the world that is great, it keeps Pentax going. Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. No doubt that is true. When I speak of professional and Pentax, I mean Type A camera is the entry-level camera and Type B is the professional version. Just within Pentax. So to me, the MZ-S is a Professional Pentax camera. Am I making sense? Next is their medium format. Just going from what I've read here, it's *more* professional than the 35mm. In fact, don't some of our members use medium format Pentax cameras in their photography business, hence, professionally? I think I agree with you, I hope you understand what I'm pointing out. Brad Dobo
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Group, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR The MZ-S was designed as a digital slr from ground up and later engineered into a film slr. I asked this before and was told they were developed as twins, that the MZ-S was not a DSLR that didn't work out and ended up being made into a 35mm camera. What's the real story? Brad Dobo
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I spoke to the Pentax rep. for Melbourne Australia and they have been really surprised at how well the MZ-S has sold and for a while the demand exceeded what they could supply. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hey Pål, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I've been told it has sold more than expected. Well, I really hope that is true. I'm basing my thoughts on what I've heard in the stores and the reps (Pentax Canada) that it was not very popular there. I hope I'm not stepping too far out of bounds by saying the US is similar. If it sells well to the rest of the world that is great, it keeps Pentax going. Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. No doubt that is true. When I speak of professional and Pentax, I mean Type A camera is the entry-level camera and Type B is the professional version. Just within Pentax. So to me, the MZ-S is a Professional Pentax camera. Am I making sense? Next is their medium format. Just going from what I've read here, it's *more* professional than the 35mm. In fact, don't some of our members use medium format Pentax cameras in their photography business, hence, professionally? I think I agree with you, I hope you understand what I'm pointing out. Brad Dobo
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Thanks Dan This must mean, that lenses for 35mm are better/more expensive and will produce overall sharper results on a 16x24 CCD-frame (provided there's enough PIXELS/resolution enough)! Regards Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Dan Scott [mailto:daniel559;directvinternet.com] Sendt: 27. oktober 2002 22:05 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: SV: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 12:39 PM, arkibladt wrote: Hi Dan Can't quite follow you.. Why is there a design diffenrence? Isn't the CCD flat or is it sfaeric or what? Please explain! Thanks Jens No problem. Picture a lens projecting light on to a 24x36 rectangle. Now picture a small postage stamp in the center of the 24x36 rectangle. Light passing through the center of the lens still covers the postage stamp, but light from the outer edges of the lens are now far outside the imaging area represented by the small postage stamp. Viola! The lens with the sharp center and the mushy corners suddenly appears to have changed its ways, becoming sharp all the way around (at least, until it is put back on a camera that records a 24x36 image. Dan Scott
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I have a different view here. When I went shopping for my digital PS, I had the money and choices of Optios to choose. I did the wise thing and thought of my needs and it's usage. That lead me to the 230 2mp. 6mp cameras were out there already, but I chose mine to suit my needs. So with a new Pentax DSLR, some of you will find it suits your needs just fine and will buy it. Some won't like it and won't buy it. Others will buy it no matter what! My choice was excellent, saved money, and I have no near future plans to look at the digital market. In 5 years, ask me again, I may change that. Brad Dobo It won't be worthless in 6 months; large numbers of us will have to wait quite awhile to save up for new ones, so that should keep the price of used ones up for awhile. Besides, I can't see Pentax becoming one of the Body of the Month camera makers--I don't know if they have the resources, but they certainly don't seem to have the temperament. Unfortnately, the digital race has been leading by Canon so far. When the released the next generation digital SLR (3MB-6MB-10MB), everyone will be in trouble again. To keep herself in the game, Pentax will have no choice but to come up with something. regards, Alan Chan _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 12:54 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott Just keep your nose clean ;-) I think that screen will do it for me. Dan Scott
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(Mental note: If I meet Dan Scott in person, do not ask to try out the new Pentax DSLR) :) Brad Dobo It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott Just keep your nose clean ;-) I think that screen will do it for me. Dan Scott
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Note that the actual web graphic names are MZ-S digital-1, MZ-S digital-2... Maybe just stock photos they had? Simon -Original Message- From: Dan Scott [mailto:daniel559;directvinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw/what'snew.htm The pictures appear to be exactly the same as the abandoned MR-52 full frame D-SLR. I have checked with their webmaster and they said that they have confirmed with their source from Pentax that the new D-SLR will look very similar to MR-52 except some minor changes to suit the APS-sized sensor. I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? Regards, Henry Chu 26/10/2002 It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott
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From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:40:34 +0800 Note that the actual web graphic names are MZ-S digital-1, MZ-S digital-2... Maybe just stock photos they had? Simon Both the titles and content of the report indicates that these photographs are their exclusive photographs for the new D-SLR, which are supplied by their Pentax source. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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According to the report by Photosharp Taiwan, the list price of the Pentax D-SLR will be the same as Sigma SD-9, i.e. 200,000yen. They expect the street price will be around NTD40,000plus (NTD = Taiwan dollar), which is approximately about US$1200. _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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Paal, I don't think WE said that. It was said in a press release from Pentax UK. Most of us had originally thought that the new digital was going to be a modification of the DSLR prototype shown 2 years ago. However, as I said in a previous post, Pentax reps often get the details, if not facts, somewhat wrong. On the other hand I doubt that Pentax sources send out images of a camera months in the future. It is more likely that the pictures are images of the digital prototype shown previously. Sorry for my confusion. Now I realize that the fact was mentioned in an email from Pentax UK. Afterall, if both the Photosharp report and Pentax UK do not contradict with each other, that means the new chassis of SLR is in fact MZ-S and a new series of SLRs (including the flagship) will be based on MZ-S?! I have checked with the webmaster of Photosharp and he told me that the photographs are supplied by the manufacturer source of Pentax Taiwan. Taiwan is one of the major manufacture base of Pentax. I have also pointed out to him the fact that the D-SLR shown on the photographs is exactly the same as the abandoned MR-52. They insisted to me that according to their source, the new camera looks very similar to MR-52, with only minor adjustment to suit the new sensor. Maybe this is a controlled leak from Pentax to clarify the issue of new chassis rumour of Pentax UK, so as to lower our expectation. Who knows? Regards, Henry Chu 26/10/2002 _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 03:33 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: (Mental note: If I meet Dan Scott in person, do not ask to try out the new Pentax DSLR) :) Brad Dobo Sissy. Dan Scott g
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Afterall, if both the Photosharp report and Pentax UK do not contradict with each other, that means the new chassis of SLR is in fact MZ-S and a new series of SLRs (including the flagship) will be based on MZ-S?! I just love the pictures I see of the digital MZ-S, I think it's a smart move to use that platform, too bad I won't buy it :) Hmm...thinking a bit more, if (as I've heard) the MZ-S was a flop as far as sales and profit, etc for Pentax, would they want to make a digital MZ-S?
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It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Len --- From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:20:49 -0500 Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw/what'snew.htm Those look exactly like the MZ-D pictures at DPreview. R _ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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On 26 Oct 2002 at 16:32, Leonard Paris wrote: It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Yes it is practically the only way that they could do it without costing themselves a bomb given the prior development. At a street price of around US$1200 it should be a winner if they manage to first ship it bug free. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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I hope it doesn't turn out to be vapor ware like the MZ-D. Rob Studdert wrote: On 26 Oct 2002 at 16:32, Leonard Paris wrote: It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Yes it is practically the only way that they could do it without costing themselves a bomb given the prior development. At a street price of around US$1200 it should be a winner if they manage to first ship it bug free.
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Excuse my ignorance folks, but what is Rob actually talking about and more specifically, what is 'vapour ware'? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I hope it doesn't turn out to be vapor ware like the MZ-D. Rob Studdert wrote: On 26 Oct 2002 at 16:32, Leonard Paris wrote: It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Yes it is practically the only way that they could do it without costing themselves a bomb given the prior development. At a street price of around US$1200 it should be a winner if they manage to first ship it bug free.
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Pure speculation...wait and see... --- Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw/what'snew.htm The pictures appear to be exactly the same as the abandoned MR-52 full frame D-SLR. I have checked with their webmaster and they said that they have confirmed with their source from Pentax that the new D-SLR will look very similar to MR-52 except some minor changes to suit the APS-sized sensor. I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? Regards, Henry Chu 26/10/2002 _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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Now, if we all assume that Paal is right, and no one makes money selling DSLRs, does that mean Pentax will go broke with a sales smash? Maybe they should put a few bugs in just to be safe. BR -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:audiob;ozemail.com.au] Yes it is practically the only way that they could do it without costing themselves a bomb given the prior development. At a street price of around US$1200 it should be a winner if they manage to first ship it bug free.
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I concur completely, Pal. Cotty Henry wrote: I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? I don't think WE said that. It was said in a press release from Pentax UK. Most of us had originally thought that the new digital was going to be a modification of the DSLR prototype shown 2 years ago. However, as I said in a previous post, Pentax reps often get the details, if not facts, somewhat wrong. On the other hand I doubt that Pentax sources send out images of a camera months in the future. It is more likely that the pictures are images of the digital prototype shown previously. Pål Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
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Both the titles and content of the report indicates that these photographs are their exclusive photographs for the new D-SLR, which are supplied by their Pentax source. I have studied the pics of the Pentax DSLR on the Tawianese web site, and the pics of the original MZ-D prototype, and I have deduced the following: 1. The pics are identical to the MZ-D prototype pics that were available freely when the MZ-D was originally announced, the camera shown is identical (on the visible outside at least), 2. (IMHO) Pentax simply would not release pics of the 'new' DSLR to this Taiwanese web site, and they would not be able to obtain such pics exclusively (again IMO), 3. So, it seems highly likely they are simply carrying the new DSLR story as many others now have, but are using old pics to illustrate. .02 Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
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Hmm. I find this difficult to believe. Pentax Taiwan releases pics of the new DSLR 'exclusively' to a web site?? I do not believe this to be true. Maybe they are claiming the pics are exclusive to them, but I seriously doubt this. Cotty Although it did not make it on time to be released during the PhotoKina Germany, Pentax Taiwan stated that it would be formally introduced in the coming PMA2003 for the US market, with the view of worldwide release. From the exclusive photographs we obtained from Pentax Taiwan, the first D-SLR will adopted the top SLR body of MZ-S as rumored, with a APS-size CCD of dimension 24x16mm (it replaces the full-sided CCD in collaboration with Philips by probably a Sony one). The D-SLR is planned to be in the 6million pixel class. More important is that the price will be around 200,000 yen according to our source (equivalent to 4 Taiwanese dollar in street price), which is about half of the price of D-SLR of other brands. Comparing with Nikon D100 or Canon D60 which are based on amateur-class SLRs, the Pentax D-SLR is based on the top class of MZ-S which is a semi-pro SLR comparable with Nikon F100. This Pentax D-SLR is very competitive in price and adds pressure to the low-priced Foveon X3 CMOS sensor Sigma SD-9 which is going to be released in November 2002. Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
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I can't decide on this one. The new one could be essentially identical to the MZ-D (MR-51 or whatever it was), because, well, the MZ-D was designed as a DSLR. On the other hand, it would be so easy to just stick up some old MZ-D pictures. I assume that no one has seen these particular pictures before, but Paal has indicated that there are some prototypes floating around Japan ready to be models for new pics. I do have a question, however. How difficult is it to use the MZ-S shape but recast it in polycarbonate? I realize that it would require new mfg lines that cast plastic instead of bend metal, screw fittings would be needed, etc., etc., but the final product would be much cheaper and I think a few hundred bucks cheaper would make a big difference.. Please try to answer without questioning my right to exist since I don't have intimate knowledge of mfg processes ;^)) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Henry wrote: Afterall, if both the Photosharp report and Pentax UK do not contradict with each other, that means the new chassis of SLR is in fact MZ-S and a new series of SLRs (including the flagship) will be based on MZ-S?! Actually, they do contradict one another as the UK press release says BRAND NEW chassis. The MZ-S chassis certainly isn't brand new. But again, after dealing with Pentax official or leaked information, I'm aware that the core of the argumet is usually correct but the details might be wrong. In other words, It is possible that the brand new part of the statement is not to be taken litterally. It was a bit weird that Pentax was about to shelve the whole MZ-S development after so short a time. On the other hand, I doubt Pentax have any chance of increasing their marked share by continuing the MZ-series. Pål
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On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 10:35 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: I just love the pictures I see of the digital MZ-S, I think it's a smart move to use that platform, too bad I won't buy it :) Hmm...thinking a bit more, if (as I've heard) the MZ-S was a flop as far as sales and profit, etc for Pentax, would they want to make a digital MZ-S? The MZ-S appears to an excellent product with regards to price, performance and customer satisfaction, just a marketing flop. People generally don't buy product they don't know about. Maybe Pentax will put some of that 'cameras you'll take to your grave' effort into 'marketing that will sell our products'. Hey, it could happen... Dan Scott
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- Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Now, if we all assume that Paal is right, and no one makes money selling DSLRs, does that mean Pentax will go broke with a sales smash? Maybe they should put a few bugs in just to be safe. Well, they can put in sticky mirror from the LX, and dying frame counter from the ME/Super Program, and rusting ISO resistor from the LX, and dissolving foam from the LX and dirty lens mount contacts from everything A series. They could also put in a few hidden bugs, such as auto flash disabling at the least opportune moment , like the LX... William Robb
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Sure looks like the same lens to me: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0009/Photokina/Pentax/000921-1948-17.jpg I think I can even make out the F1.4 on the side of the lens in the old dpreview shot from Photokina 2000. -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:sylwek;ozon.com.pl] Sent: 26 October 2002 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here we have probably FA 50/1.4. -- Sylwester
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It's the same image all right. But, has anyone else noticed that this thing is missing a vertical shutter release? I suppose it could be where the white blob is, but it doesn't appear to be fitted to the MZ-D prototype. Hope they get that right in the real DSLR. Cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:Robert.Brigham;badger.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 10:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Sure looks like the same lens to me: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0009/Photokina/Pentax/000921-1948-17.jpg I think I can even make out the F1.4 on the side of the lens in the old dpreview shot from Photokina 2000. -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:sylwek;ozon.com.pl] Sent: 26 October 2002 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here we have probably FA 50/1.4. -- Sylwester
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On 26 Oct 2002 at 23:53, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here we have probably FA 50/1.4. I even have several pics of it in my archives with a 24-90 mounted, so the pics aren't the same. This doesn't mean however that they aren't just recycled pics, it's so easy to back pedal. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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You have all the right in the world to exist, but you don't because you are just anonymous bits. For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:DesJardinS;wlu.edu] Please try to answer without questioning my right to exist since I don't have intimate knowledge of mfg processes ;^))
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On 26 Oct 2002 at 21:09, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Apart from which even if the same moulds were able to be used to form a polycarbonate chassis most of the fastening points and methods would be inappropriate for the new material without significant modification, catch 22. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:w_robb;accesscomm.ca] Well, they can put in sticky mirror from the LX, and dying frame counter from the ME/Super Program, and rusting ISO resistor from the LX, and dissolving foam from the LX and dirty lens mount contacts from everything A series. They could also put in a few hidden bugs, such as auto flash disabling at the least opportune moment , like the LX... William Robb
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On 26 Oct 2002 at 23:53, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here we have probably FA 50/1.4. I even have several pics of it in my archives with a 24-90 mounted, so the pics aren't the same. This doesn't mean however that they aren't just recycled pics, it's so easy to back pedal. Dear all, I agree that the so-called exclusive pictures for the new D-SLR is in fact the abandoned MR-52 prototype full frame D-SLR. However, these are the new MR-52 photographs we have never seen from any sites before. I have been the follower of Photosharp.com for 3 years and I have checked with their webmaster several times on the validity of the photographs. Taiwan is the major manufacturing base for Pentax and I beleive their claim that their photographs are obtained from their source in Taiwan subsidiary of Pentax. My conclusion is that it is a controlled leak from Pentax to lower our expectation on the so-called new chassis. MZ-S is already made from the new chassis which is different from the previous MZ/ZXs. I beleive that the final appearance of the new D-SLR may be a bit different, but overall very similar to the abandoned MR-52. Regards, Henry Chu 27/10/2002 _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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Unfortunately that is too correct They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR
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Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo My conclusion is that it is a controlled leak from Pentax to lower our expectation on the so-called new chassis. MZ-S is already made from the new chassis which is different from the previous MZ/ZXs. I beleive that the final appearance of the new D-SLR may be a bit different, but overall very similar to the abandoned MR-52. Regards, Henry Chu 27/10/2002
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Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo
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Argh audible swearing Should read is it just me.blah Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo
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On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 09:12 PM, Brad Dobo wrote: Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo Nope. Pentax didn't lure me in, I sought them out. Everything I bought new from them works as good or better than I thought it would (aside from a few small glitches like the flare inducing hood on the FA 35/2). Dan Scott
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No problems, Brad. We (or at least I) knew what you meant first time around g. I know I've mentioned this before, but I just help commenting again: Man, you've got the strangest sleep patterns! I wake up and check my e-mails before I got to work in the morning, and you're posting at, like 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. And, here it is, 10:30 on a Saturday night, and your waking up, and looking for coffee? I wonder why you're awake in the wee hours? vbg But, on to the topic of this thread: I don't think Pentax is jerking us around; no more than any other corporation teases its market with leaks and such. They want us to think they're really working on something (and they probably are). They know there are those that really want a dslr from them, and they want to keep up interest. It may be nothing more than a marketing ploy, but I don't think it's unusual in the corporate world. I wouldn't feel too hard done by due to any of this. Now, if someone wants to be PO'ed by the fact that there is still no Pentax dslr on the market, that would be understandable... cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Argh audible swearing Should read is it just me.blah Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw/what'snew.htm Those look exactly like the MZ-D pictures at DPreview. R
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On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 12:07 AM, Alan Chan wrote: I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? It would be logical to borrow the design from other MZ/ZX bodies (like MZ-L) to minimize the manufacturing cost imho. Why would anyone want to pay the extra on a high quality metal body when it's going to be worthless in 6 months? regards, Alan Chan Alan, It won't be worthless in 6 months; large numbers of us will have to wait quite awhile to save up for new ones, so that should keep the price of used ones up for awhile. Besides, I can't see Pentax becoming one of the Body of the Month camera makers--I don't know if they have the resources, but they certainly don't seem to have the temperament. Dan Scott
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It won't be worthless in 6 months; large numbers of us will have to wait quite awhile to save up for new ones, so that should keep the price of used ones up for awhile. Besides, I can't see Pentax becoming one of the Body of the Month camera makers--I don't know if they have the resources, but they certainly don't seem to have the temperament. Unfortnately, the digital race has been leading by Canon so far. When the released the next generation digital SLR (3MB-6MB-10MB), everyone will be in trouble again. To keep herself in the game, Pentax will have no choice but to come up with something. regards, Alan Chan _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott Just keep your nose clean ;-)
