Re: Kiss/truck
Hey, that's not a big city drug... =) 2011/7/22 drd1...@gmail.com: Mmm. . . Generic urban acid . . . -Original Message- From: Eckehard Wegner overpenta...@googlemail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:35:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Kiss/truck Yuck... to me it looks like generic urban acid... effect for effect's sake IMO well at least it seems to polarize... 2011/7/18 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 19/07/2011 7:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. That was shot beside a fairly large creek in my favourite part of BC (Rosebery) right at dusk. The wallpaper background is the stream itself with the rocks just below the surface of the water. The combination of the extended exposure and that they are somewhat out of focus is what is fooling you into thinking it is something that it isn't. That is a combination of two exposures, one to get the bulk of the image, and one to get the mushroom, which was really dark. All I did was stack the main exposure over the brighter one and erase the layer to show the mushroom below it. There was no tone mapping, and it is an accurate representation of what was there, with the exception of using the double exposure to secure what the camera couldn't do in one. I should probably boost the gamma in the mushroom layer a bit, but it made a very nice print on my wall, and I'm pretty much done with the file so I probably won't. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
Bill, I like it the way it is. Nice image! Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:48 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/07/2011 7:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. That was shot beside a fairly large creek in my favourite part of BC (Rosebery) right at dusk. The wallpaper background is the stream itself with the rocks just below the surface of the water. The combination of the extended exposure and that they are somewhat out of focus is what is fooling you into thinking it is something that it isn't. That is a combination of two exposures, one to get the bulk of the image, and one to get the mushroom, which was really dark. All I did was stack the main exposure over the brighter one and erase the layer to show the mushroom below it. There was no tone mapping, and it is an accurate representation of what was there, with the exception of using the double exposure to secure what the camera couldn't do in one. I should probably boost the gamma in the mushroom layer a bit, but it made a very nice print on my wall, and I'm pretty much done with the file so I probably won't. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 21/07/2011 1:40 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Bill, I like it the way it is. Nice image! Thanks Bob. I appreciate that. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
Yuck... to me it looks like generic urban acid... effect for effect's sake IMO well at least it seems to polarize... 2011/7/18 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
Mmm. . . Generic urban acid . . . -Original Message- From: Eckehard Wegner overpenta...@googlemail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:35:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Kiss/truck Yuck... to me it looks like generic urban acid... effect for effect's sake IMO well at least it seems to polarize... 2011/7/18 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 19/07/2011 12:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I agree about the labeling or not. If the first thing someone notices is oh look that's HDR, how clever you've mucked it up. One could say the same thing about any genre of the arts though, especially if it happens to be something that they have decided to have a hate on for. What has become the de rigueur HDR is just another way of making pictures, no more or less valid than any other, and shows no more, or less originality than snapping a picture of someone jumping over a puddle in Paris and being lauded as a master. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Kiss/truck
I agree about the labeling or not. If the first thing someone notices is oh look that's HDR, how clever you've mucked it up. One could say the same thing about any genre of the arts though, especially if it happens to be something that they have decided to have a hate on for. What has become the de rigueur HDR is just another way of making pictures, no more or less valid than any other, and shows no more, or less originality than snapping a picture of someone jumping over a puddle in Paris and being lauded as a master. I don't think he made it _over_ the puddle. I think he went straight in. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
I find it funny that one of the best features of the K-5 is the high dynamic range of the sensor, yet the thought of taking several photos to achieve the same thing is vilified. Mind you, the original photo has had more than just it's dynamic range expanded, but saying that you don't like HDR based on those techniques is like saying you don't like classical music based on opera. On Jul 18, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Darren Addy wrote: I've expressed my opinion on this subject before, so I won't bore everyone again. Like nearly any form of artistic expression, I think anybody is free to do things anyway they like. I'm also free to like or dislike it. In my opinion, HDR has been ruined as label because of the stuff being done in the name of HDR. Say HDR to someone and they likely envision the over saturated, over sharpened, over contrasty stuff that in the old film days used to fall into the category of posterization. To me, HDR is extending the dynamic range of the image through the use of multiple exposures and then presenting more detail in the highlights and shadows than you could with a single image. I think the best (photorealistic) HDR does not scream HDR to you, but simply makes you go wow. The bottom line for me is, that I will never label any HDR that I do as such. I see no upside to the label. It is either a good image, or it isn't. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 7/20/2011 10:09, William Robb wrote: On 19/07/2011 12:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I agree about the labeling or not. If the first thing someone notices is oh look that's HDR, how clever you've mucked it up. One could say the same thing about any genre of the arts though, especially if it happens to be something that they have decided to have a hate on for. I took me years to come over to digital at all, remember - you guys dragged me kicking and screaming. well regardless of whether it is done with HDR or posterizing in photoshop, its true I don't like the look of that stuff... realizing this is intensely personal... It is the theatricality of it ... too vivid. And I hate the stuff I did like that, too. but I leave it on my web site hoping some fool will want some anyway. Don't like the circus, Cirque de Soleil, laser shows, rock concerts, prize fights, horror films, etc... either... doesn't matter how well they do it. What has become the de rigueur HDR is just another way of making pictures, no more or less valid than any other, and shows no more, or less originality than snapping a picture of someone jumping over a puddle in Paris and being lauded as a master. and as you surely know, that's one of my favorite images :-) and yet.. there is a funny similarity there... it is that he snapped at just the right moment that makes it interseting in addition to the nice geometry - we do see the technique... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 17/7/11, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA Hate it! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 7/19/2011 01:50, William Robb wrote: On 18/07/2011 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Isn't calling tone mapping a separate process from HDR sort of like calling inhaling a separate process from breathing? You are technically correct, except that without it you don't have the overall process. : ) You can tone map a single exposure if you want to. For that matter, tone mapping is done after the exposure bracket has been run through the HDR software as a separate process, so no, I would say the two are not entwined as an overall process. The HDR that I posted didn't even use an HDR program, but notwithstanding, it is still an HDR image. Sorry Ann, that you found it boring. Most of the people I show it to think it quite nice. I didn't know it was yours, Bill... I thought you had just pointed to one on the web where it illustrated your point. Open mouth, insert foot moment. which is just to say I'd have responded a little more delicately knowing it was taken by a friend.. I liked the rendering of the flowers themselves..the background bothered me and I'd have cropped differently. WHen I first started working in photoshop I was doing all kinds of kitchy stuff that makes me cringe now the way I cringe looking at that garish sky in the truck photo. someone mentioned posterization - yeah, that too. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 7/19/2011 09:52, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska Thats interesting... THe more I look at it.. (and I'm reinserting it's link here) http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html the more I realise that what bothers me is that background.. like the studio paper that seems to be popular in some portrait photo studios. Maybe that, as much as the rendering, makes it look so false.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
mushy brown shadows look like a job in ms paint. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 7/19/2011 09:52, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska Thats interesting... THe more I look at it.. (and I'm reinserting it's link here) http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html the more I realise that what bothers me is that background.. like the studio paper that seems to be popular in some portrait photo studios. Maybe that, as much as the rendering, makes it look so false.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
From: Ann Sanfedele On 7/19/2011 09:52, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska Thats interesting... THe more I look at it.. (and I'm reinserting it's link here) http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html the more I realise that what bothers me is that background.. like the studio paper that seems to be popular in some portrait photo studios. Maybe that, as much as the rendering, makes it look so false.. ann I thought that was just a reflection of the sky in water; that this was taken on the edge of a pond somewhere. I do wonder if the mushroom is real or if it's a garden sculpture? In either case, I find it much more appealing than the over-processed truck image. Bill created a nice image without going over-board. My opinion, YMMV. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3773 - Release Date: 07/18/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
Bill, I agree with John. It's a nice image and I prefer it to the truck/kiss. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Ann Sanfedele On 7/19/2011 09:52, Darren Addy wrote: William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature, then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska Thats interesting... THe more I look at it.. (and I'm reinserting it's link here) http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html the more I realise that what bothers me is that background.. like the studio paper that seems to be popular in some portrait photo studios. Maybe that, as much as the rendering, makes it look so false.. ann I thought that was just a reflection of the sky in water; that this was taken on the edge of a pond somewhere. I do wonder if the mushroom is real or if it's a garden sculpture? In either case, I find it much more appealing than the over-processed truck image. Bill created a nice image without going over-board. My opinion, YMMV. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3773 - Release Date: 07/18/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
To me, HDR is extending the dynamic range of the image through the use of multiple exposures and then presenting more detail in the highlights and shadows than you could with a single image. I think the best (photorealistic) HDR does not scream HDR to you, but simply makes you go wow. The bottom line for me is, that I will never label any HDR that I do as such. I see no upside to the label. It is either a good image, or it isn't. Darren Addy Well said and agreed. Tom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 7/19/2011 12:49, Tom C wrote: To me, HDR is extending the dynamic range of the image through the use of multiple exposures and then presenting more detail in the highlights and shadows than you could with a single image. I think the best (photorealistic) HDR does not scream HDR to you, but simply makes you go wow. The bottom line for me is, that I will never label any HDR that I do as such. I see no upside to the label. It is either a good image, or it isn't. Darren Addy Well said and agreed. Tom MIght be interesting to see the originals - of both the over the top truck and Bill's. I agree about the labeling or not. If the first thing someone notices is oh look that's HDR, how clever you've mucked it up. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Kiss/truck To me, HDR is extending the dynamic range of the image through the use of multiple exposures and then presenting more detail in the highlights and shadows than you could with a single image. I think the best (photorealistic) HDR does not scream HDR to you, but simply makes you go wow. The bottom line for me is, that I will never label any HDR that I do as such. I see no upside to the label. It is either a good image, or it isn't. Darren Addy Well said and agreed. Me three. Tom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't mind that shot Dave On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18 July 2011 05:48, Tim Bray wrote: I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA I agree about HDR - it's the new infra red. Both are good for the right picture, but are over used. This is one that works for me. Excellent. Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I hate overcooked. This one is pretty darn good except for overcooking evident in the sky, the truck box and (especially his) clothing. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/07/2011 9:43 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I hate overcooked. This one is pretty darn good except for overcooking evident in the sky, the truck box and (especially his) clothing. I'll point out that what you don't like is tone mapping, which is a separate process from HDR. This is an unmapped HDR, for example. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Isn't calling tone mapping a separate process from HDR sort of like calling inhaling a separate process from breathing? You are technically correct, except that without it you don't have the overall process. : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/07/2011 9:43 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I hate overcooked. This one is pretty darn good except for overcooking evident in the sky, the truck box and (especially his) clothing. I'll point out that what you don't like is tone mapping, which is a separate process from HDR. This is an unmapped HDR, for example. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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both pictures linked here are so far out over the border of kitsch that it's hard to find terms to explain them, as is usually the case with hdr On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't calling tone mapping a separate process from HDR sort of like calling inhaling a separate process from breathing? You are technically correct, except that without it you don't have the overall process. : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/07/2011 9:43 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I hate overcooked. This one is pretty darn good except for overcooking evident in the sky, the truck box and (especially his) clothing. I'll point out that what you don't like is tone mapping, which is a separate process from HDR. This is an unmapped HDR, for example. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've expressed my opinion on this subject before, so I won't bore everyone again. Like nearly any form of artistic expression, I think anybody is free to do things anyway they like. I'm also free to like or dislike it. In my opinion, HDR has been ruined as label because of the stuff being done in the name of HDR. Say HDR to someone and they likely envision the over saturated, over sharpened, over contrasty stuff that in the old film days used to fall into the category of posterization. To me, HDR is extending the dynamic range of the image through the use of multiple exposures and then presenting more detail in the highlights and shadows than you could with a single image. I think the best (photorealistic) HDR does not scream HDR to you, but simply makes you go wow. The bottom line for me is, that I will never label any HDR that I do as such. I see no upside to the label. It is either a good image, or it isn't. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
Cool shot, and some truck. Absent manipulation it must have about 2 feet of ground clearance and tires 3 feet in diameter. But is the actual effect HDR or microcontrast? I've been playing around with 'HDR' software and find that you can get interesting effects from jsut one exposure - no HDR there, but there is micro contrast. Sorta like the high-pass filter in photoshop made useable... - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:48 AM Subject: Kiss/truck I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
I like this shot, and I do like this kind of effect sometimes. The problem is that, too often, everything starts to look like this. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com wrote: Cool shot, and some truck. Absent manipulation it must have about 2 feet of ground clearance and tires 3 feet in diameter. But is the actual effect HDR or microcontrast? I've been playing around with 'HDR' software and find that you can get interesting effects from jsut one exposure - no HDR there, but there is micro contrast. Sorta like the high-pass filter in photoshop made useable... - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:48 AM Subject: Kiss/truck I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
The kiss/truck shot just makes me gag. Way too far over the top for me. The unmapped one below has a lot of clarity but is pretty boring. ann On 7/18/2011 12:19, William Robb wrote: On 18/07/2011 9:43 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I hate overcooked. This one is pretty darn good except for overcooking evident in the sky, the truck box and (especially his) clothing. I'll point out that what you don't like is tone mapping, which is a separate process from HDR. This is an unmapped HDR, for example. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/hdrshroom.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
I like it too. The colors appeal to me. Tim posted this on Google+ as well, and it was interesting to read the many, many responses to it, and I'd say the shot was very well received. I'm not anti-HDR; I even bought a book on it, and I like a lot of the stuff in the book. Very well done. I like traditional photography too, of course. My view, for what it's worth, is that HDR right now is rendering-dependent--content etc only so-so interesting. Traditional street, reportage etc is content-driven, tells a better story, more interesting, but in fairness, it's hard to do HDR with moving subjects for all the obvious reasons. There is such a thing as photorealistic HDR--a whole section on it in the book I have. Bill's shot is a nice example I think. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Kiss/truck I like this shot, and I do like this kind of effect sometimes. The problem is that, too often, everything starts to look like this. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com wrote: Cool shot, and some truck. Absent manipulation it must have about 2 feet of ground clearance and tires 3 feet in diameter. But is the actual effect HDR or microcontrast? I've been playing around with 'HDR' software and find that you can get interesting effects from jsut one exposure - no HDR there, but there is micro contrast. Sorta like the high-pass filter in photoshop made useable... - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:48 AM Subject: Kiss/truck I normally hate HDR, but wow: https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kiss/truck
On 18/07/2011 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Isn't calling tone mapping a separate process from HDR sort of like calling inhaling a separate process from breathing? You are technically correct, except that without it you don't have the overall process. : ) You can tone map a single exposure if you want to. For that matter, tone mapping is done after the exposure bracket has been run through the HDR software as a separate process, so no, I would say the two are not entwined as an overall process. The HDR that I posted didn't even use an HDR program, but notwithstanding, it is still an HDR image. Sorry Ann, that you found it boring. Most of the people I show it to think it quite nice. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
