Re: Lens not on A with istD
Hey Dave I'm not sure I qualify to answer your question after having the ist D for about a week, but I'm thinking what you got is right How do you like the camera so far... Did you get that great price from Blacks Vic
RE: Lens not on A with istD
The camera does not have a way of knowing the F stop unless the A setting is used. Using the Green Button only closes the lens to the stop you have set and then reads the light to determine exposure. Only when the F stop is set *on the camera body* will this info be recorded. AF283T?? I've not heard of that one. I've found TTL flash to work best at ISO400, as have others. Even then I wouldn't bet my work on TTL flash on the D, it's too unpredictable. Most of my TTL shots are OK but I've seen many that are off by 2-3 stops! :-( Automatic flash mode works much better IMHO. Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lens not on A with istD Ok Ok i know i'm supposed to know this,but i forgot and i did not save the threads but,,, When a lens is off A and shooting in M mode, i noticed the info file does not record the F stop data. Is this normal for the camera or have i got a dud.Or is it because i forgot to press the green button.(this is a great item,but will take a few days to get used to) Updated to Firmware 1.11 last night and did some quick flash tests. In P mode lens on A using the AF283T, i got F stop data. In M mode with lens on F 5.6 shutter at 1/60 i did not. This could be a pain since i was hoping for this data as i did not keep notes on the flash test. However i did notice the 283(in TTL) is inconsistant in the above mode which works well on my film cameras but was a bit overexposed on the D. Setting the flash to auto,green,and the aperature on the lens,worked better. A tad under but not much. Sorry for the repeat question,but you should expect that from me by now.LOL Dave
Re: Lens not on A with istD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a lens is off A and shooting in M mode, i noticed the info file does not record the F stop data. Is this normal for the camera or have i got a dud.Or is it because i forgot to press the green button.(this is a great item,but will take a few days to get used to) You have to press the green button to calculate exposure because the *istD has no aperture indicator coupler, and therefore cannot read what aperture the lens is set to. This means that it can't save that information with the photo. In other words, it's normal. Stick the lens on A and set the aperture from the body if you want the aperture recorded. S
Re: Lens not on A with istD
Hey Dave I'm not sure I qualify to answer your question after having the ist D for about a week, but I'm thinking what you got is right Looks like that s the case. I'm used to the other camera which gives me these numbers in the file. Just a tiny panic mode is all.LOL How do you like the camera so far... Did you get that great price from Blacks Yes i did. I wont tell you what i paid though.Must have been the last one they had.:-) So far i like it,but have not given it a major test. Just some inside the house flash shots to see what works best.It seems to like the FA 28-105 f 4-5.6 though. Focus is about the same as the PZ-1 and in house light didi not seem to hunt very much if i gave it some contrast to focus on. Dave Vic
RE: Lens not on A with istD
The camera does not have a way of knowing the F stop unless the A setting is used. Using the Green Button only closes the lens to the stop you have set and then reads the light to determine exposure. Only when the F stop is set *on the camera body* will this info be recorded. Ok i see that now.:-) AF283T?? I've not heard of that one. Meant 280Tg I've found TTL flash to work best at ISO400, as have others. Even then I wouldn't bet my work on TTL flash on the D, it's too unpredictable. Most of my TTL shots are OK but I've seen many that are off by 2-3 stops! :-( Automatic flash mode works much better IMHO. Auto did give me a nicer photo last night. Dave Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lens not on A with istD Ok Ok i know i'm supposed to know this,but i forgot and i did not save the threads but,,, When a lens is off A and shooting in M mode, i noticed the info file does not record the F stop data. Is this normal for the camera or have i got a dud.Or is it because i forgot to press the green button.(this is a great item,but will take a few days to get used to) Updated to Firmware 1.11 last night and did some quick flash tests. In P mode lens on A using the AF283T, i got F stop data. In M mode with lens on F 5.6 shutter at 1/60 i did not. This could be a pain since i was hoping for this data as i did not keep notes on the flash test. However i did notice the 283(in TTL) is inconsistant in the above mode which works well on my film cameras but was a bit overexposed on the D. Setting the flash to auto,green,and the aperature on the lens,worked better. A tad under but not much. Sorry for the repeat question,but you should expect that from me by now.LOL Dave
Re: Lens not on A with istD
In other words, it's normal. Stick the lens on A and set the aperture from the body if you want the aperture recorded. Thanks Steve. It was play time last night and i got a bit worried when i saw the 0.0 fiqures . I thought it was a combo of the af280 and a bum camera.g I usually shoot Av now anyway so it should be ok. Dave
RE: Lens not on A with istD
Yes, it's normal. The focal length and aperture is not recorded. Cameras like Super A (1983) PZ-1 and MZ-S (2001) etc. all work the same way - that is, the aperture is not recorded by the camera (allthough it is by the meter), thus not stated in the viewfinder or otherwise. It IS a PITA. But that's evolution, i suppose. In 1983, they had NO idea what they were going to manufacture app. 20 years later. I guess we can't really blame them :-). PS: When I graduated in 1978, there was no computers - let alone digital cameras. I 1981 we got a few DOS computers. But still no MS Windows. Today it's a whole new ball game, isn't it? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. december 2004 09:02 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Lens not on A with istD Ok Ok i know i'm supposed to know this,but i forgot and i did not save the threads but,,, When a lens is off A and shooting in M mode, i noticed the info file does not record the F stop data. Is this normal for the camera or have i got a dud.Or is it because i forgot to press the green button.(this is a great item,but will take a few days to get used to) Updated to Firmware 1.11 last night and did some quick flash tests. In P mode lens on A using the AF283T, i got F stop data. In M mode with lens on F 5.6 shutter at 1/60 i did not. This could be a pain since i was hoping for this data as i did not keep notes on the flash test. However i did notice the 283(in TTL) is inconsistant in the above mode which works well on my film cameras but was a bit overexposed on the D. Setting the flash to auto,green,and the aperature on the lens,worked better. A tad under but not much. Sorry for the repeat question,but you should expect that from me by now.LOL Dave
RE: Lens not on A with istD
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Yes, it's normal. The focal length and aperture is not recorded. Cameras like Super A (1983) PZ-1 and MZ-S (2001) etc. all work the same way - that is, the aperture is not recorded by the camera (allthough it is by the meter), thus not stated in the viewfinder or otherwise. Not true in general. If you use an F or FA lens with the -5n, you get the aperture on the viewfinder even in Av mode (which is done from the lens in that camera, not the body). I would guess that's also true for the MZ-S. Kostas
Re: Lens not on A with istD
If the camera could record the f stop the lens was set to when the lens wasn't set to A, then it could also meter properly. I know that F and FA lenses supply the camera with that information, but Pentax apparently didn't equip the camera with the capability to read it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Ok i know i'm supposed to know this,but i forgot and i did not save the threads but,,, When a lens is off A and shooting in M mode, i noticed the info file does not record the F stop data. Is this normal for the camera or have i got a dud.Or is it because i forgot to press the green button.(this is a great item,but will take a few days to get used to) Updated to Firmware 1.11 last night and did some quick flash tests. In P mode lens on A using the AF283T, i got F stop data. In M mode with lens on F 5.6 shutter at 1/60 i did not. This could be a pain since i was hoping for this data as i did not keep notes on the flash test. However i did notice the 283(in TTL) is inconsistant in the above mode which works well on my film cameras but was a bit overexposed on the D. Setting the flash to auto,green,and the aperature on the lens,worked better. A tad under but not much. Sorry for the repeat question,but you should expect that from me by now.LOL Dave -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Lens not on A with istD
I paid $1,399.00 Cdn. for mine. Are you saying that you got a better deal than that... That's incredible if you did. The only criticism I have with the D is that it is so small that it almost feels uncomfortable in my hands, and I don't have big hands. Have ist D owners found that the grip improves handling substantially Vic
RE: Lens not on A with istD
Without the grip it's too small for me. With the grip it becomes part of me, good secure grip, nice balance, I can dangle it from my fingertips with no fear of dropping it. The only time I've removed the gip was when I put on a 50/2 and wanted the whole thing to fit in my coat pocket. Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lens not on A with istD I paid $1,399.00 Cdn. for mine. Are you saying that you got a better deal than that... That's incredible if you did. The only criticism I have with the D is that it is so small that it almost feels uncomfortable in my hands, and I don't have big hands. Have ist D owners found that the grip improves handling substantially Vic
Re: Lens not on A with istD
No,same price. I thought you got it when it was $1699.00. Great price. Everyone else is still at $1899. I find it a bit small for my hands to,but its something i can be happy with. May get the grip just to add bulk. Got my friends hockey game to shoot for him Saturday,so i'll try both Dlsr cameras,although the fastest Pentax lens i have right now is the A70-210 F4.Sounds like a very poorly lite arena they play in so this should prove challenging. Trying the custom WB for the first time on TWO cameras.LOL Dave Dave I paid $1,399.00 Cdn. for mine. Are you saying that you got a better deal than that... That's incredible if you did. The only criticism I have with the D is that it is so small that it almost feels uncomfortable in my hands, and I don't have big hands. Have ist D owners found that the grip improves handling substantially Vic
Re: Lens not on A with istD
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: RE: Lens not on A with istD On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Yes, it's normal. The focal length and aperture is not recorded. Cameras like Super A (1983) PZ-1 and MZ-S (2001) etc. all work the same way - that is, the aperture is not recorded by the camera (allthough it is by the meter), thus not stated in the viewfinder or otherwise. Not true in general. If you use an F or FA lens with the -5n, you get the aperture on the viewfinder even in Av mode (which is done from the lens in that camera, not the body). I would guess that's also true for the MZ-S. I believe the MZ cameras may be an anomoly. I recall my Super Programs didn't show aperture information off the A position. I have no idea whether the SF cameras behave similarly or not. William Robb
Re: Lens not on A with istD
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, William Robb wrote: I believe the MZ cameras may be an anomoly. I recall my Super Programs didn't show aperture information off the A position. It couldn't, as it predates the F/FA lenses and their protocols :-) I have no idea whether the SF cameras behave similarly or not. And mine is on a long-term loan, so I cannot check. But would (for the sake of it) like to know, also what happens with the Z/PZ series. Kostas
RE: Lens not on A with istD
The same is true for the PZ-1 and PZ-1p with FA lenses--the aperture set on the lens shows up in the viewfinder just fine. ...well, except with the FA 28-80/3.5-4.7 (power zoom), in which case the aperture in the viewfinder is about a stop off (even though exposure is fine). Go figure. --- Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Yes, it's normal. The focal length and aperture is not recorded. Cameras like Super A (1983) PZ-1 and MZ-S (2001) etc. all work the same way - that is, the aperture is not recorded by the camera (allthough it is by the meter), thus not stated in the viewfinder or otherwise. Not true in general. If you use an F or FA lens with the -5n, you get the aperture on the viewfinder even in Av mode (which is done from the lens in that camera, not the body). I would guess that's also true for the MZ-S. Kostas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: Lens not on A with istD
William Robb mused: I believe the MZ cameras may be an anomoly. I recall my Super Programs didn't show aperture information off the A position. My MXs do ...
RE: Lens not on A with istD
Without the grip it's too small for me. With the grip it becomes part of me, good secure grip, nice balance, I can dangle it from my fingertips with no fear of dropping it. The only time I've removed the gip was when I put on a 50/2 and wanted the whole thing to fit in my coat pocket. Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lens not on A with istD I paid $1,399.00 Cdn. for mine. Are you saying that you got a better deal than that... That's incredible if you did. The only criticism I have with the D is that it is so small that it almost feels uncomfortable in my hands, and I don't have big hands. Have ist D owners found that the grip improves handling substantially Vic
Re: Lens not on A with istD
I believe the MZ cameras may be an anomoly. I recall my Super Programs didn't show aperture information off the A position. I have no idea whether the SF cameras behave similarly or not. William Robb My daughter has the SF-1 now,but IMSMC it shows shutter speed only,which is why i wanted, and got, a PZ-1 Dave
RE: Lens not on A with istD
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:10:24 +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: The focal length and aperture is not recorded. Cameras like Super A (1983) PZ-1 and MZ-S (2001) etc. all work the same way - that is, the aperture is not recorded by the camera (allthough it is by the meter), thus not stated in the viewfinder or otherwise. It IS a PITA. IIRC, that's not actually true for the MZ-S. It will record the actual aperture in Av or P mode on the edge of the film frame. It is shown in the viewfinder, too, after a fashion. In the viewfinder the nearest standard f-stop is shown in the viewfinder. So, if the actual aperture is f/3.0, it might show f/2.8 in the viewfinder, but it does seem to record f/3.0 on the edge of the film. I'll have to dig out some frames from my MZ-S and confirm that, though. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Lens not on A with istD
I can confirm that: My Z1 does not detect aperture with my Tamron 28mm 2.5 with KA adapter but does with ma FA 50mm 1.4. This is with aperture ring not on A of course. --- Thibouille Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, William Robb wrote: I believe the MZ cameras may be an anomoly. I recall my Super Programs didn't show aperture information off the A position. It couldn't, as it predates the F/FA lenses and their protocols :-) I have no idea whether the SF cameras behave similarly or not. And mine is on a long-term loan, so I cannot check. But would (for the sake of it) like to know, also what happens with the Z/PZ series. Kostas
RE: Lens not on A with istD
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:47:19 + (GMT), Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Not true in general. If you use an F or FA lens with the -5n, you get the aperture on the viewfinder even in Av mode (which is done from the lens in that camera, not the body). I would guess that's also true for the MZ-S. I'm pretty sure it is true for the MZ-S, and I think the ZX/MZ-5 does it, too.y TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
RE: Lens not on A with istD
Hi William my Pentax SFXn only shows the aperture *in the LCD* when the lens is set to A position, otherwise not. greetings Markus I have no idea whether the SF cameras behave similarly or not. William Robb
