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P. J. Alling wrote: And where in Hell would I get a virgin? If you live there, you have greater worries than the availability of virgins. On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't live there, just close enough to visit... On 9/9/2010 1:41 PM, mike wilson wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: And where in Hell would I get a virgin? If you live there, you have greater worries than the availability of virgins. On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not for Windows. A Mac maybe. But they never crash anyway so you could probably use a unicorn. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:47 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Good point. On 9/9/2010 12:33 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think tradition requires it should be a *female* virgin. From: drd1...@gmail.com Star Trek convention. -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:43:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies And where in Hell would I get a virgin? On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-06 12:03 , Adam Maas wrote: Any SFF PC with an 80W PSU and a laptop CPU, HDD and optical drive? These are not exactly uncommon.The Mini's specs are unexceptional i looked pretty hard for the counterexamples to which you allude ... really couldn't find anything solid; most 80-watt units are kits, with no idle power draw specified, and most of them require less powerful CPUs than the Mini; even the Atom-based nettops for which i could find specs used more idle power; in the course of my research i found several non-Mac sources that were impressed by the power usage of the Mini, notably Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3843/apple-mac-mini-review-mid-2010/7 and low power draw is a fairly useless advantage for a desktop system outside a few specialist applications. i disagree -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think tradition requires it should be a *female* virgin. From: drd1...@gmail.com Star Trek convention. -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:43:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies And where in Hell would I get a virgin? On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good point. On 9/9/2010 12:33 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think tradition requires it should be a *female* virgin. From: drd1...@gmail.com Star Trek convention. -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:43:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies And where in Hell would I get a virgin? On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html Cheers Ecke - Cameras don’t shoot people. Photographers shoot people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:32 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Adam Maas wrote: I've priced this and you can almost always get a pre-built system cheaper than a home-built system. It's been about a decade since building your own was a good economic choice. The biggest reason to build your own system is to get a specific parts selection, but you'll pay at least 10% more that way. Used to build all my own stuff, now I buy relatively barebones-spec HP's and upgrade RAM/HDD/Video and sometimes CPU, saves me a fair bit over any other option. Except... in my experience, the savings are usually made in things like power supplies or quality of memory chips, or cooling fans that quickly wear to sound like F16s. In fact, anything that the manufacturer can get away without specifying exactly. Not really savings at all. That's not my experience with good brands (HP, Dell, etc) although it most certainly applies to most white box systems and cheap brands. Dell and HP get their savings by buying components by the shipload, White Box stores get theirs by using crap for stuff that doesn't appear on the spec shortlist. My HP's have proven to have lifetimes similar to my Mac's, if not longer. -Adam Where I work, we have been buying PCs 600 at a time. You find some very interesting things at that sort of sample size. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/7 Bob W p...@web-options.com: 11. Sacrifice a virgin Reminds me A guy from (insert local idiot region here) was driving when he came onto a police roadblock. They shone their light in his face and told him they were looking for a rapist. He says no he hasn't seen one and is allowed to go on. After a mile or so he has second thoughts and drives back, rolls his window down and says I've changed my mind, I'll do it if you still need one Cheers Ecke - Cameras don’t shoot people. Photographers shoot people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If you have your serial numbers for CS2, installers can be found online. -Adam I should have them in my files. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And where in Hell would I get a virgin? On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Star Trek convention. -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:43:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies And where in Hell would I get a virgin? On 9/7/2010 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html 11. Sacrifice a virgin -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Totally not. Unless you /rally/ like the case that is... The point I was making was that all cost considered some people may just have to find it sensible to put a few dollars into an old box just because the new box would also require tons of software purchases. And as for XP mode, Adam, if you mean the XP virtual machine shipped with the higher editions of Windows 7, I totally agree with you - I have that and it works most of the time given that it was software written for XP in the first place... I think there is enough in this discussion otherwise =) And that cable advice is definitely good! Cheers Ecke 2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: No 2001 generation computer is worth the cost of updating all the hardware to make it useful for Windows 7 and 64bit operation. That's logic board, graphics adapter, power supply, RAM, etc etc etc. Buy a new computer. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:13 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Depends. Buy a new box, get Windows 7, update all now incompatible software, possibly (and sensibly so) choose 64 bit and be forced to update even more... costly collaterals... one has to have the money (and workflow need) for that. I don't think it is all that blindingly obvious. No offense intended btw =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 5, 2010, at 10:19 , David J Brooks wrote: One reason i am hesitant on the iMac over a new PC is, the calibration for photo work. I am comfortable using the PC and get great results with may antiquated set up as is. I'm just not sure about the Mac settings on my iBook for prints, they are off, and would be/will be, worried about the calibration on the iMac. One thing you will learn about the iMac screen is that it is too bright under normal just turned on and booted conditions to make screen matching prints. As an example I boot my iMac, turn the brightness all the way down with the OS software, then adjust the Graphics card's separate brightness to 60% of the iMac's native dimmest brightness using a free piece of software devised just for that purpose. Then I calibrate it using DataColor Colorvision Spyder 2, not the newest hardware they sell, but good enough for anything other than Pro Print reproduction. In real world terms what that means is my images from my K-7 look a stop to two stops too dark. Once I adjust them to look correct on my monitor, they will print perfectly on my Epson 1800, and (to me anyway) look fine on my Gallery.me.com/jomac. I do not adjust the K-7 exposure in the camera or when I shoot other than slight adjustments in exposure depending on the subject. If I tried to, the whites in all images would be blown. I don't wish to get involved in the PC/Window discussion other than to say that many of the arguments proffered are in some ways minor and major, incorrect. It's really the good old my car's better than your car bullsh*t that the boys throw around in the locker room. What's best in the long run is what fits your lifestyle, makes you comfortable, and doesn't tax your mind-space on a daily basis. Main thing is the price, PC 1/2 that of a Mac, and now that i don't do a lot of shows and prints, may not need the Mac. Maybe true. In both cases, determine what features you need in hardware and software and get that priced out either online or by visiting a few stores before you buy. The quoted price is usually quite a bit lower than the out the door price. My $1800 iMac (the prices have come down a lot and the upgrades less expensive) cost me $2500 by the time I added twice the memory, twice the hard drive size, and the best Graphics card they offered at the time. Historically speaking, every Apple system I ever purchased directly from Apple, from my Apple ][+ in 1979 through my Mac Plus in 1985, my ||fx, my G3, G4, and this iMac, have all cost me $2500. And I've always kept them long enough that they had no intrinsic value, so were thrown away (after stripping them). The iMac model I have can only be upgraded by Apple, other than RAM. The newer versions can, I believe, have the hard drive swapped out by the consumer. Prior to the iMac, the desktop Macs were as configurable as any PC. Apple feels that their current designs are trouble-free enough to be a sealed unit. And I cannot argue that they were wrong from my experience. Rather than pay an Apple tech $100 to install a 1 or 2 TB hard drive in my iMac, I just keep adding external drives as needed. Current count is eight drives, all USB, varying in size from 500 GB to 1 TB. Sometime this week I'll receive a 2 TB drive via UPS to bring the count to nine drives. Many of these drives are used for backing up the other drives. A trick I read about a year ago or so was how to install my OS X onto a keychain type solid state USB dongle of from 4 to 8 GB in size. I've never had to use it, but if my iMac won't boot some day, I plug it in and turn on the Mac. On a 8 GB version, there is plenty of room for a bevy of troubleshooting apps. One last point in favor of Apple. When I have a software problem, they answer the phone, and a very qualified employee helps me get unconfused. 95% of the time, it's the user, ME, who is being stupid. Because, David, they make and support a capable but limited line of high end machines, and they write reasonable software to run on it. Which steps over the gazillion variations of components and software that the PC user must master themselves, 'cause no one else knows what's in there. Aren't you glad I didn't delve into the PC/Windows debate? :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have an iMac 24, a 2009 model. With the brightness turned all the way down and the monitor calibrated with my Spyder 2, the prints on both my R2400 and R2880 are a virtual perfect match for the monitor. And the publishers I shoot for find the levels of my files spot on -- as does the histogram. Perhaps I got lucky, but I have no brightness issue with the iMac. Paul - Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2010, at 10:19 , David J Brooks wrote: One reason i am hesitant on the iMac over a new PC is, the calibration for photo work. I am comfortable using the PC and get great results with may antiquated set up as is. I'm just not sure about the Mac settings on my iBook for prints, they are off, and would be/will be, worried about the calibration on the iMac. One thing you will learn about the iMac screen is that it is too bright under normal just turned on and booted conditions to make screen matching prints. As an example I boot my iMac, turn the brightness all the way down with the OS software, then adjust the Graphics card's separate brightness to 60% of the iMac's native dimmest brightness using a free piece of software devised just for that purpose. Then I calibrate it using DataColor Colorvision Spyder 2, not the newest hardware they sell, but good enough for anything other than Pro Print reproduction. In real world terms what that means is my images from my K-7 look a stop to two stops too dark. Once I adjust them to look correct on my monitor, they will print perfectly on my Epson 1800, and (to me anyway) look fine on my Gallery.me.com/jomac. I do not adjust the K-7 exposure in the camera or when I shoot other than slight adjustments in exposure depending on the subject. If I tried to, the whites in all images would be blown. I don't wish to get involved in the PC/Window discussion other than to say that many of the arguments proffered are in some ways minor and major, incorrect. It's really the good old my car's better than your car bullsh*t that the boys throw around in the locker room. What's best in the long run is what fits your lifestyle, makes you comfortable, and doesn't tax your mind-space on a daily basis. Main thing is the price, PC 1/2 that of a Mac, and now that i don't do a lot of shows and prints, may not need the Mac. Maybe true. In both cases, determine what features you need in hardware and software and get that priced out either online or by visiting a few stores before you buy. The quoted price is usually quite a bit lower than the out the door price. My $1800 iMac (the prices have come down a lot and the upgrades less expensive) cost me $2500 by the time I added twice the memory, twice the hard drive size, and the best Graphics card they offered at the time. Historically speaking, every Apple system I ever purchased directly from Apple, from my Apple ][+ in 1979 through my Mac Plus in 1985, my ||fx, my G3, G4, and this iMac, have all cost me $2500. And I've always kept them long enough that they had no intrinsic value, so were thrown away (after stripping them). The iMac model I have can only be upgraded by Apple, other than RAM. The newer versions can, I believe, have the hard drive swapped out by the consumer. Prior to the iMac, the desktop Macs were as configurable as any PC. Apple feels that their current designs are trouble-free enough to be a sealed unit. And I cannot argue that they were wrong from my experience. Rather than pay an Apple tech $100 to install a 1 or 2 TB hard drive in my iMac, I just keep adding external drives as needed. Current count is eight drives, all USB, varying in size from 500 GB to 1 TB. Sometime this week I'll receive a 2 TB drive via UPS to bring the count to nine drives. Many of these drives are used for backing up the other drives. A trick I read about a year ago or so was how to install my OS X onto a keychain type solid state USB dongle of from 4 to 8 GB in size. I've never had to use it, but if my iMac won't boot some day, I plug it in and turn on the Mac. On a 8 GB version, there is plenty of room for a bevy of troubleshooting apps. One last point in favor of Apple. When I have a software problem, they answer the phone, and a very qualified employee helps me get unconfused. 95% of the time, it's the user, ME, who is being stupid. Because, David, they make and support a capable but limited line of high end machines, and they write reasonable software to run on it. Which steps over the gazillion variations of components and software that the PC user must master themselves, 'cause no one else knows what's in there. Aren't you glad I didn't delve into the PC/Windows debate? :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail
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MyiBook has not had any colour management done to it. Its what is is from when i first turned it on. I was never sure if i needed to run coloursync or what. I seem to not be able to find the screens needed to set the way the Epson 2400 works, like on my PC. For example to click the boxes for let PS determine colour and the one to tell the printer not to colour manage. That may be a lot of my problems. Some one said determine what i need the computer for and get one with those specs. I guess i require fast photo downloads, high storage, able to run PS and LR easy to calibrate, drivers for the Epson 24500 and Epson 2450 scanner, and some documents and spread sheets. I'm thinking built PC at the moment. Dave Dave On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:07 AM, pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I have an iMac 24, a 2009 model. With the brightness turned all the way down and the monitor calibrated with my Spyder 2, the prints on both my R2400 and R2880 are a virtual perfect match for the monitor. And the publishers I shoot for find the levels of my files spot on -- as does the histogram. Perhaps I got lucky, but I have no brightness issue with the iMac. Paul - Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2010, at 10:19 , David J Brooks wrote: One reason i am hesitant on the iMac over a new PC is, the calibration for photo work. I am comfortable using the PC and get great results with may antiquated set up as is. I'm just not sure about the Mac settings on my iBook for prints, they are off, and would be/will be, worried about the calibration on the iMac. One thing you will learn about the iMac screen is that it is too bright under normal just turned on and booted conditions to make screen matching prints. As an example I boot my iMac, turn the brightness all the way down with the OS software, then adjust the Graphics card's separate brightness to 60% of the iMac's native dimmest brightness using a free piece of software devised just for that purpose. Then I calibrate it using DataColor Colorvision Spyder 2, not the newest hardware they sell, but good enough for anything other than Pro Print reproduction. In real world terms what that means is my images from my K-7 look a stop to two stops too dark. Once I adjust them to look correct on my monitor, they will print perfectly on my Epson 1800, and (to me anyway) look fine on my Gallery.me.com/jomac. I do not adjust the K-7 exposure in the camera or when I shoot other than slight adjustments in exposure depending on the subject. If I tried to, the whites in all images would be blown. I don't wish to get involved in the PC/Window discussion other than to say that many of the arguments proffered are in some ways minor and major, incorrect. It's really the good old my car's better than your car bullsh*t that the boys throw around in the locker room. What's best in the long run is what fits your lifestyle, makes you comfortable, and doesn't tax your mind-space on a daily basis. Main thing is the price, PC 1/2 that of a Mac, and now that i don't do a lot of shows and prints, may not need the Mac. Maybe true. In both cases, determine what features you need in hardware and software and get that priced out either online or by visiting a few stores before you buy. The quoted price is usually quite a bit lower than the out the door price. My $1800 iMac (the prices have come down a lot and the upgrades less expensive) cost me $2500 by the time I added twice the memory, twice the hard drive size, and the best Graphics card they offered at the time. Historically speaking, every Apple system I ever purchased directly from Apple, from my Apple ][+ in 1979 through my Mac Plus in 1985, my ||fx, my G3, G4, and this iMac, have all cost me $2500. And I've always kept them long enough that they had no intrinsic value, so were thrown away (after stripping them). The iMac model I have can only be upgraded by Apple, other than RAM. The newer versions can, I believe, have the hard drive swapped out by the consumer. Prior to the iMac, the desktop Macs were as configurable as any PC. Apple feels that their current designs are trouble-free enough to be a sealed unit. And I cannot argue that they were wrong from my experience. Rather than pay an Apple tech $100 to install a 1 or 2 TB hard drive in my iMac, I just keep adding external drives as needed. Current count is eight drives, all USB, varying in size from 500 GB to 1 TB. Sometime this week I'll receive a 2 TB drive via UPS to bring the count to nine drives. Many of these drives are used for backing up the other drives. A trick I read about a year ago or so was how to install my OS X onto a keychain type solid state USB dongle of from 4 to 8 GB in size. I've never had to use it, but if my iMac won't boot some day, I plug it in and turn on the Mac. On a 8 GB version, there is plenty of room for a bevy of troubleshooting apps.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. -Adam When i had the HD upgraded in this machine in 2006 i think it was, i mentioned to the repair person(it was a Good Guys computer place in town, now out of business) is there any way i can get what is on the current drive loaded to the new one. He said he could map the contents to the new drive. When i picked up the computer, the new HD was installed and all of my files, programs etc were on the new drive and all worked fine. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/6 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. When i had the HD upgraded in this machine in 2006 i think it was, i mentioned to the repair person(it was a Good Guys computer place in town, now out of business) is there any way i can get what is on the current drive loaded to the new one. He said he could map the contents to the new drive. When i picked up the computer, the new HD was installed and all of my files, programs etc were on the new drive and all worked fine. Different story - he copied (by imagaing etc) the entire contents of your old disk onto the new one, expanded the partition to match the bigger disk size (or created another partition to use that space) and then marked the disk as active so as to let it become your C: drive again. Adam is referring to individually installed software as opposed to an entire operating system environment. That is a different story altogether =( Cheers Ecke - Cameras don’t shoot people. Photographers shoot people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:31 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Different story - he copied (by imagaing etc) the entire contents of your old disk onto the new one, expanded the partition to match the bigger disk size (or created another partition to use that space) and then marked the disk as active so as to let it become your C: drive again. Adam is referring to individually installed software as opposed to an entire operating system environment. That is a different story altogether =( Cheers Well, i knew i was not using the right words and or phrases here.:-) Now the other question i have to ask, as these programs are all downloaded onto an XP operating system is will they work with windows 7. Talking about PScs2 and LR2.7. I think i can live, right now, with less than 4gig of Ram so XP may still be to my liking, or is it.??? Dave Dave Ecke - Cameras don’t shoot people. Photographers shoot people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. -Adam When i had the HD upgraded in this machine in 2006 i think it was, i mentioned to the repair person(it was a Good Guys computer place in town, now out of business) is there any way i can get what is on the current drive loaded to the new one. He said he could map the contents to the new drive. When i picked up the computer, the new HD was installed and all of my files, programs etc were on the new drive and all worked fine. Dave You can do that when swapping a new drive into an existing PC since all the drivers installed are correct and the new drive will boot with the old OS install. A completely new PC really needs a fresh OS installation to work correctly since it'[s a different set of drivers. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-05 14:47 , Adam Maas wrote: Actually, the Batteries are a current low point. Good life at the cost of a shop-run to replace. for most people it's a real win; i didn't like it either in concept, but in practice the battery performance is so good i'd still be happy with Apple's design decision if the battery failed tomorrow; the 1000-cycle lifetime's unproven, but at 15 months (201 cycles), mine holds a much better charge than any of my previous PowerBook or MacBook Pro batteries did new, and those older batteries declined steadily for me starting before they were a year old The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw the mini uses 85 watts max, 10 at idle; can you name a machine that uses less power and performs as well? (no, the mini is not a high performance machine, and that is beside the point) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-09-05 14:47 , Adam Maas wrote: The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw the mini uses 85 watts max, 10 at idle; can you name a machine that uses less power and performs as well? (no, the mini is not a high performance machine, and that is beside the point) Any SFF PC with an 80W PSU and a laptop CPU, HDD and optical drive? These are not exactly uncommon. The Mini's specs are unexceptional and low power draw is a fairly useless advantage for a desktop system outside a few specialist applications. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. -Adam When i had the HD upgraded in this machine in 2006 i think it was, i mentioned to the repair person(it was a Good Guys computer place in town, now out of business) is there any way i can get what is on the current drive loaded to the new one. He said he could map the contents to the new drive. When i picked up the computer, the new HD was installed and all of my files, programs etc were on the new drive and all worked fine. Dave You can do that when swapping a new drive into an existing PC since all the drivers installed are correct and the new drive will boot with the old OS install. A completely new PC really needs a fresh OS installation to work correctly since it'[s a different set of drivers. -Adam Oh ok, was not aware of that. I guess it would make no sense to keep the programs on what would be the slave drive and try and run them from there. Probably defeating the purpose of a new computer eh. I still have my PS 6 disk, which i hope will work with windows 7, and my LR disks, but not my CS2 disk. Liz had a clean out day last year and a lot of boxes went out in the garbage. Liz never looks inside to see if anything is in them. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One thing i noticed yesterday when i was trying to figure out my problems and noticed one thing. Up until a few weeks ago i was running McAfee basic virus and firewall. Now i see I'm running the Premium version. Some were along the line, McAfee updated itself to the higher version. Could this have any bearing here, maybe huh, huh. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:39 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. -Adam When i had the HD upgraded in this machine in 2006 i think it was, i mentioned to the repair person(it was a Good Guys computer place in town, now out of business) is there any way i can get what is on the current drive loaded to the new one. He said he could map the contents to the new drive. When i picked up the computer, the new HD was installed and all of my files, programs etc were on the new drive and all worked fine. Dave You can do that when swapping a new drive into an existing PC since all the drivers installed are correct and the new drive will boot with the old OS install. A completely new PC really needs a fresh OS installation to work correctly since it'[s a different set of drivers. -Adam Oh ok, was not aware of that. I guess it would make no sense to keep the programs on what would be the slave drive and try and run them from there. Probably defeating the purpose of a new computer eh. I still have my PS 6 disk, which i hope will work with windows 7, and my LR disks, but not my CS2 disk. Liz had a clean out day last year and a lot of boxes went out in the garbage. Liz never looks inside to see if anything is in them. Dave If you have your serial numbers for CS2, installers can be found online. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: When my iLust threatened to burst out of my trousers I cured it with Dell. MARK! snip But ask any of my girlfriends - looks don't matter much, it's performance that counts*. Bob *I should put that on a t-shirt and sell it to ugly people. Now that's good marketing. I tried to sell a t-shirt that said Performance doesn't matter much, it's good looks that count. I lost my (dare I say) shirt, not realizing that there are far more ugly people in the world than beautiful. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: eckinator Hi Dave (comments interspersed) Well my 2001 PC is acting up again. Not allowing me to boot. I seem to be able to get into it via the safemode, F8 key. First things first, do you have a backup of all data on the system? Also, have you tried logging in as a different user? Same problem? Past experience, I'd look at replacing the power supply. While I had the case open, I'd replace the CMOS battery and give the mother-board a good dusting/vacuuming. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Dave (comments interspersed) Well my 2001 PC is acting up again. Not allowing me to boot. I seem to be able to get into it via the safemode, F8 key. First things first, do you have a backup of all data on the system? Also, have you tried logging in as a different user? Same problem? - I am trying to restore my system to a previous good date. I am now into to hour two waiting for it to do so, how long should this take. If you mean F8 and boot to last known good it should be a matter of seconds. Last known good only means loading a different, older registry portion for certain settings. These are overwritten upon logon completion so usually they are pretty worthless after a half complete login failed on the profile level. If you mean XP system restore two hours aren't normal either. Basically you can let it run for a while yet without harm assuming it isn't a thermal issue. Can you take off a side cover and check air and hard disk temperatures? The HD is OK to be hot to the touch but you should be able to leave your hand on there as long as you like. Also, while you're in there, listen for very regular ticking/scratching noises from the hard disk. If it is a persistent pattern, it usually means your disk is mechanically defective and cannot reach a certain sector. It could of course just be Windows XP that is dodgy. (I take the liberty to assume you're no longer running 2000 if you speak of a system restore). Have you tried a repair install/in-place upgrade? The XP setup disk needs to be the same service pack level as your current install. If yours isn't, you can use a different computer and nLite (great tool) to create one. The process is called slipstreaming and officially supported by Micro$oft. I won't comment on your buying advice request as I am all about server hardware, I haven't owned a computer since 2004, all I ever have is work laptops. HTH Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] - I may have to buy a new computer. As much as i like my iBook, I may just go with another PC, something along the lines of a mid range HP or get one built, by a computer company that was highly recommended to me for around $6-700. Looking at the iMac but at $1300 plus taxes, is a little steep right now, although i really like to get one.;-) - It will be used primarily for photos, conversions and prints. [...] When my iLust threatened to burst out of my trousers I cured it with Dell. I bought a Dell Vostro 3700 which has identical hardware specs to the top MacBook Pro of the time, except for the resolution, which is somewhat better on the Mac. The Dell is also not carved out of a single block of aluminium, a feature that never really climbed very high on my list of priorities I must say. On the other hand, the Dell was less than half the price of the Mac. Now that Macs are Unix boxes running on Intel hardware there isn't enough to distinguish them from PCs to make them worth spending the extra money on in my opinion, unless one is very, very concerned about the way the things look. The Macs, especially the iMacs, are very beautiful and much better looking than any PC I'm aware of. But ask any of my girlfriends - looks don't matter much, it's performance that counts*. Bob *I should put that on a t-shirt and sell it to ugly people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:17 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave (comments interspersed) Well my 2001 PC is acting up again. Not allowing me to boot. I seem to be able to get into it via the safemode, F8 key. First things first, do you have a backup of all data on the system? Yes i do. Also, have you tried logging in as a different user? Same problem? Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guyone mane show) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Dave - I am trying to restore my system to a previous good date. I am now into to hour two waiting for it to do so, how long should this take. If you mean F8 and boot to last known good it should be a matter of seconds. Last known good only means loading a different, older registry portion for certain settings. These are overwritten upon logon completion so usually they are pretty worthless after a half complete login failed on the profile level. If you mean XP system restore two hours aren't normal either. Basically you can let it run for a while yet without harm assuming it isn't a thermal issue. Can you take off a side cover and check air and hard disk temperatures? The HD is OK to be hot to the touch but you should be able to leave your hand on there as long as you like. Also, while you're in there, listen for very regular ticking/scratching noises from the hard disk. If it is a persistent pattern, it usually means your disk is mechanically defective and cannot reach a certain sector. It could of course just be Windows XP that is dodgy. (I take the liberty to assume you're no longer running 2000 if you speak of a system restore). Have you tried a repair install/in-place upgrade? The XP setup disk needs to be the same service pack level as your current install. If yours isn't, you can use a different computer and nLite (great tool) to create one. The process is called slipstreaming and officially supported by Micro$oft. I won't comment on your buying advice request as I am all about server hardware, I haven't owned a computer since 2004, all I ever have is work laptops. HTH Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Yes i do. Great =) Way to go, eh! Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. Does this happen more often when the PC hasn't been on for a few days? I highly doubt this would be the cause but would you know how old the BIOS/CMOS buffer battery is? I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. Sounds like something closer to the mainboard again. Has there ever been a BIOS update? This is what I would go for next. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guy one mane show [sic] Lion King Enterprises by any chance? Sorry I just had to =) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Have you tried F8 and then halt on error or whatever the setting is called in English? This should give us a more detailed message? Please can you do so? Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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if I needed Windows, Id get a refurb, last series iMac or MacBook Pro. Max out the RAM, put a big HD in it, install Windows. Right there you can boot either Win or Mac at your discretion. Install Parallels and you can run both at the same time. Best of both worlds. Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. On Sunday, September 5, 2010, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Well my 2001 PC is acting up again. Not allowing me to boot. I seem to be able to get into it via the safemode, F8 key. Couple of things. - I am trying to restore my system to a previous good date. I am now into to hour two waiting for it to do so, how long should this take. - I may have to buy a new computer. As much as i like my iBook, I may just go with another PC, something along the lines of a mid range HP or get one built, by a computer company that was highly recommended to me for around $6-700. Looking at the iMac but at $1300 plus taxes, is a little steep right now, although i really like to get one.;-) - It will be used primarily for photos, conversions and prints. Suggestions for a Video card would be helpful. The computer guy has a number of cards for various applications and i would like to get this right if i do this. My CRT monitor, a Samsung Sync Master 753df is still working well so i don't need a monitor. I still have my XP home disk and he has XP as well as Windows 7, but everything i have is set up for XP so i probably will just use XP again. - Would the iMac have windows capabilities should i go that route. I would only want it for BBpro and a small amount of Office. I have the Spyder I i bought from Mark a while back. It works well on my PC, would it be ok on an iMac with ther LCD screen for calibration. This is my main concern, calibrating the monitor/video card for photos and prints. All advice listened to. The SO is cool with the 6-700 area, having a hard sell on the 1300 area.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Depends. Buy a new box, get Windows 7, update all now incompatible software, possibly (and sensibly so) choose 64 bit and be forced to update even more... costly collaterals... one has to have the money (and workflow need) for that. I don't think it is all that blindingly obvious. No offense intended btw =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: if I needed Windows, Id get a refurb, last series iMac or MacBook Pro. Max out the RAM, put a big HD in it, install Windows. Right there you can boot either Win or Mac at your discretion. Install Parallels and you can run both at the same time. Best of both worlds. You can get a better spec on a new Windows machine for the same or even less money than a Mac Refurb. If you don't need OS X, skip the Macbooks and iMac's. The only Mac's which are competitive in terms of bang/buck at the moment are the Mac Pro's and the top-end MacBook Pro's, the consumer line is currently seriously overpriced, enough that even the Refurbs are questionable as deals (Refurb MacBook Pro's with similar specs to my current HP HDX16 are priced at the same price as what I payed for the HP new last year, for what a Core 2 Mini with 4GB and a 500GB drive costs I can get a Dell with an i5, 6GB RAM and a 1TB drive). Apple's currently at the high point in its pricing cycle vs comparable PC hardware. Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Agreed, strongly. Even a sub-$500 new Desktop will run rings around anything from 2001. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Depends. Buy a new box, get Windows 7, update all now incompatible software, possibly (and sensibly so) choose 64 bit and be forced to update even more... costly collaterals... one has to have the money (and workflow need) for that. I don't think it is all that blindingly obvious. No offense intended btw =) Peripherals are the only real worry with Win7, XP software will run under 7 in XP compatibility mode, even on 64 bit. A 2001-era computer isn't worth the cost of labour in repairing it. You can buy a 5-6 year old XP machine for $100-150 these days. Much better to replace with a system that actually has a lifespan ahead of it. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/9/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: ow that Macs are Unix boxes running on Intel hardware there isn't enough to distinguish them from PCs to make them worth spending the extra money on in my opinion, I agree. Except for one small thingthe OS. ;-) Asbestos suit on - nya nya nya nay nyaa. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/9/5 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: I agree. Except for one small thingthe OS. ;-) Asbestos suit on - nya nya nya nay nyaa. I never cease to be amazed by how many people by a Mac and pay for MacOS just to go on and use Windows on a pretty box... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can get a better spec on a new Windows machine for the same or even less money than a Mac Refurb. If you don't need OS X, skip the Macbooks and iMac's. The only Mac's which are competitive in terms of bang/buck at the moment are the Mac Pro's and the top-end MacBook Pro's, the consumer line is currently seriously overpriced, enough that even the Refurbs are questionable as deals (Refurb MacBook Pro's with similar specs to my current HP HDX16 are priced at the same price as what I payed for the HP new last year, for what a Core 2 Mini with 4GB and a 500GB drive costs I can get a Dell with an i5, 6GB RAM and a 1TB drive). Apple's currently at the high point in its pricing cycle vs comparable PC hardware. Better spec maybe ... but most of those better spec jobs that are cheap are made of cheap components and don't last as well. And you can't run Mac OS X on them. For me, the ONLY purpose to having Windows is for consulting purposes. For my own use, Windows is irrelevant. A box that can run Mac OS X, Windows and Linux is far more useful than any box that can only run one or two of them. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No 2001 generation computer is worth the cost of updating all the hardware to make it useful for Windows 7 and 64bit operation. That's logic board, graphics adapter, power supply, RAM, etc etc etc. Buy a new computer. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:13 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Depends. Buy a new box, get Windows 7, update all now incompatible software, possibly (and sensibly so) choose 64 bit and be forced to update even more... costly collaterals... one has to have the money (and workflow need) for that. I don't think it is all that blindingly obvious. No offense intended btw =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: You can get a better spec on a new Windows machine for the same or even less money than a Mac Refurb. If you don't need OS X, skip the Macbooks and iMac's. The only Mac's which are competitive in terms of bang/buck at the moment are the Mac Pro's and the top-end MacBook Pro's, the consumer line is currently seriously overpriced, enough that even the Refurbs are questionable as deals (Refurb MacBook Pro's with similar specs to my current HP HDX16 are priced at the same price as what I payed for the HP new last year, for what a Core 2 Mini with 4GB and a 500GB drive costs I can get a Dell with an i5, 6GB RAM and a 1TB drive). Apple's currently at the high point in its pricing cycle vs comparable PC hardware. Better spec maybe ... but most of those better spec jobs that are cheap are made of cheap components and don't last as well. I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. And you can't run Mac OS X on them. For me, the ONLY purpose to having Windows is for consulting purposes. For my own use, Windows is irrelevant. Yep, and for you, Macs are thus the best choice. I'm in pretty much the opposite situation, only reason to run OS X is for fooling around with, for day to day use Windows and Linux cover my needs, mostly Windows as much of the software I need is Windows-only or Windows and Linux only. A box that can run Mac OS X, Windows and Linux is far more useful than any box that can only run one or two of them. -- Godfrey That applies only for specialist uses. The vast majority of people, including the majority of people on the list, don't need to run more than one OS. Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well, if you want to run multiple OS's a PC is a FAR better choice unless OS X is one of them. Both you and I are definitely out of the mainstream here. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/9/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: ow that Macs are Unix boxes running on Intel hardware there isn't enough to distinguish them from PCs to make them worth spending the extra money on in my opinion, I agree. Except for one small thingthe OS. ;-) Asbestos suit on - nya nya nya nay nyaa. the OS is Unix. Do you mean the window manager? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 5/9/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: ow that Macs are Unix boxes running on Intel hardware there isn't enough to distinguish them from PCs to make them worth spending the extra money on in my opinion, I agree. Except for one small thingthe OS. ;-) Asbestos suit on - nya nya nya nay nyaa. the OS is Unix. Do you mean the window manager? That's something of a Myth. OS X is not actually Unix. It's a Mach Microkernel running a BSD userspace alongside a separate but integrated Carbon/Cocoa GUI userspace. It gives most of the advantages of Unix along with nearly full BSD compatibility while actually running a modern, well designed GUI environment completely unrelated to the disaster that is X. You could actually rip out the BSD portion and have an almost fully functional OS left which wasn't in any way Unix related (there is some cross-reliance between the Carbon/Cocoa userspace and the BSD userspace for services, especially printing or networking which come from the BSD side and configuration management which is Cocoa) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Yes i do. Great =) Way to go, eh! Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. Does this happen more often when the PC hasn't been on for a few days? I highly doubt this would be the cause but would you know how old the BIOS/CMOS buffer battery is? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, its all over the place. Battery is original. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. Sounds like something closer to the mainboard again. Has there ever been a BIOS update? This is what I would go for next. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guy one mane show [sic] Lion King Enterprises by any chance? Sorry I just had to =) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Have you tried F8 and then halt on error or whatever the setting is called in English? This should give us a more detailed message? Please can you do so? When i press F8 i get a Dos screen asking how i want to boot, Disk, HD or something else, i don't remember what at the moment. I hit HD and XP loads and runs, so far. Dave Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hold on a minute guys. I gotta go and make popcorn. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Yes i do. Great =) Way to go, eh! Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. Does this happen more often when the PC hasn't been on for a few days? I highly doubt this would be the cause but would you know how old the BIOS/CMOS buffer battery is? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, its all over the place. Battery is original. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. Sounds like something closer to the mainboard again. Has there ever been a BIOS update? This is what I would go for next. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guy one mane show [sic] Lion King Enterprises by any chance? Sorry I just had to =) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Have you tried F8 and then halt on error or whatever the setting is called in English? This should give us a more detailed message? Please can you do so? When i press F8 i get a Dos screen asking how i want to boot, Disk, HD or something else, i don't remember what at the moment. I hit HD and XP loads and runs, so far. Dave Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Do not put money into a 2001 computer. That's a waste of money IMO. Depends. Buy a new box, get Windows 7, update all now incompatible software, possibly (and sensibly so) choose 64 bit and be forced to update even more... costly collaterals... one has to have the money (and workflow need) for that. I don't think it is all that blindingly obvious. No offense intended btw =) This company has XP and i also have my XP disk from when i bought this one. I plan on using anyone who can put XP on the new machine. One reason i am hesitant on the iMac over a new PC is, the calibration for photo work. I am comfortable using the PC and get great results with may antiquated set up as is. I'm just not sure about the Mac settings on my iBook for prints, they are off, and would be/will be, worried about the calibration on the iMac. Main thing is the price, PC 1/2 that of a Mac, and now that i don't do a lot of shows and prints, may not need the Mac. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hold on a minute guys. I gotta go and make popcorn. Was not intending an OS war, but i guess this usually happens doesn't it.:-) My other concern is the video card. What should i look for in a Dell or HP, and what should i ask the computer builder for.?? Dave On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Yes i do. Great =) Way to go, eh! Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. Does this happen more often when the PC hasn't been on for a few days? I highly doubt this would be the cause but would you know how old the BIOS/CMOS buffer battery is? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, its all over the place. Battery is original. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. Sounds like something closer to the mainboard again. Has there ever been a BIOS update? This is what I would go for next. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guy one mane show [sic] Lion King Enterprises by any chance? Sorry I just had to =) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Have you tried F8 and then halt on error or whatever the setting is called in English? This should give us a more detailed message? Please can you do so? When i press F8 i get a Dos screen asking how i want to boot, Disk, HD or something else, i don't remember what at the moment. I hit HD and XP loads and runs, so far. Dave Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Also have programs on the HD that i will not be able to put on a new computer, so i intend to have the pld HD mapped over to the new one, and possibly use the older one as a slave drive, if thats a current computer term anymore. Is it necessary to map everything over, or can i ask them to just map over certain portions. Is it an all or nothing deal?? Just want to go to him, or the store, armed with info so i don't look like the dolt i am. Dave On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hold on a minute guys. I gotta go and make popcorn. Was not intending an OS war, but i guess this usually happens doesn't it.:-) My other concern is the video card. What should i look for in a Dell or HP, and what should i ask the computer builder for.?? Dave On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/5 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Yes i do. Great =) Way to go, eh! Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. Does this happen more often when the PC hasn't been on for a few days? I highly doubt this would be the cause but would you know how old the BIOS/CMOS buffer battery is? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, its all over the place. Battery is original. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. Sounds like something closer to the mainboard again. Has there ever been a BIOS update? This is what I would go for next. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guy one mane show [sic] Lion King Enterprises by any chance? Sorry I just had to =) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Have you tried F8 and then halt on error or whatever the setting is called in English? This should give us a more detailed message? Please can you do so? When i press F8 i get a Dos screen asking how i want to boot, Disk, HD or something else, i don't remember what at the moment. I hit HD and XP loads and runs, so far. Dave Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hold on a minute guys. I gotta go and make popcorn. Was not intending an OS war, but i guess this usually happens doesn't it.:-) My other concern is the video card. What should i look for in a Dell or HP, and what should i ask the computer builder for.?? Dave Anything with an actual VRAM spec, which practically means an ATI Radeon or a NVidia GeForce card. Buy cheap, you don't play games so any videocard good enough to have its own RAM will do for you. For Photo work you want RAM, CPU speed and big drives. Don't put XP on the machine, get Win7 64 Home Premium. XP is at the end of its life cycle and cannot handle the current standard of 4-6GB of RAM properly (Anything over 4GB requires a 64 bit OS, which means Win7 today). Sticking XP on a modern system is pretty much like sticking a 100hp 4 cylinder in your 3/4 ton pickup. From Dell, I'd look at the XPS 8100 in its base configuration as a good mid-range option. $800 gets you an i5 dual-core CPU, 6GB of RAM, a 1TB drive, A Radeon 5450 and Win7 64. It's a good system which will last quite a long time and is very upgradable. You can go cheaper, but cheaper than that really means you will be replacing the machine sooner. I wouldn't look at anything with less than 4GB of RAM, a 640GB drive or an i5 CPU. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hold on a minute guys. I gotta go and make popcorn. Was not intending an OS war, but i guess this usually happens doesn't it.:-) My other concern is the video card. What should i look for in a Dell or HP, and what should i ask the computer builder for.?? NVIDIA GEForce 8600GT with 1Gig of ram. Silent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Also have programs on the HD that i will not be able to put on a new computer, so i intend to have the pld HD mapped over to the new one, and possibly use the older one as a slave drive, if thats a current computer term anymore. Is it necessary to map everything over, or can i ask them to just map over certain portions. Is it an all or nothing deal?? Just want to go to him, or the store, armed with info so i don't look like the dolt i am. Dave You can use the old drive as a slave, but any programs you want on the new machine will need to be reinstalled, most software cannot simply be copied over (One place where Mac's are clearly better than PC's). If you don't have install media for them, you'll be out of luck. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: Also have programs on the HD that i will not be able to put on a new computer, so i intend to have the pld HD mapped over to the new one, and possibly use the older one as a slave drive, if thats a current computer term anymore. Is it necessary to map everything over, or can i ask them to just map over certain portions. Is it an all or nothing deal?? Just want to go to him, or the store, armed with info so i don't look like the dolt i am. Given the dates you are mentioning, your old drive may be an IDE interface - newer ones are SATA. Not a problem; you just need to choose a motherboard that carries both interfaces. Given that physically consructing a PC is about as complex as a fairly simple Meccano project, I would be tempted to save the money and build one myself, using the old case. You should be able to do it for at least $100 less than you have mentioned. Takes some time to do the OS and driver install but should not take more than a week of spare time overall. You learn quite a lot during the process, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:39 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: David J Brooks wrote: Also have programs on the HD that i will not be able to put on a new computer, so i intend to have the pld HD mapped over to the new one, and possibly use the older one as a slave drive, if thats a current computer term anymore. Is it necessary to map everything over, or can i ask them to just map over certain portions. Is it an all or nothing deal?? Just want to go to him, or the store, armed with info so i don't look like the dolt i am. Given the dates you are mentioning, your old drive may be an IDE interface - newer ones are SATA. Not a problem; you just need to choose a motherboard that carries both interfaces. Almost all motherboards still have 1 PATA interface intended for DVD-RW drives. Given that physically consructing a PC is about as complex as a fairly simple Meccano project, I would be tempted to save the money and build one myself, using the old case. You should be able to do it for at least $100 less than you have mentioned. Takes some time to do the OS and driver install but should not take more than a week of spare time overall. You learn quite a lot during the process, too. I've priced this and you can almost always get a pre-built system cheaper than a home-built system. It's been about a decade since building your own was a good economic choice. The biggest reason to build your own system is to get a specific parts selection, but you'll pay at least 10% more that way. Used to build all my own stuff, now I buy relatively barebones-spec HP's and upgrade RAM/HDD/Video and sometimes CPU, saves me a fair bit over any other option. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-05 9:06, David J Brooks wrote: - I may have to buy a new computer. As much as i like my iBook, I may just go with another PC, something along the lines of a mid range HP or get one built, by a computer company that was highly recommended to me for around $6-700 Personally, I'd go with either getting one built, or getting something other than an HP/Compaq. I don't have a problem with HP/Compaq's hardware, but they chock the OS full of preloaded crap software that's difficult at best to get rid of. Personally, I'll be getting a Toshiba next time for that very reason. - It will be used primarily for photos, conversions and prints. Suggestions for a Video card would be helpful. The computer guy has a number of cards for various applications and i would like to get this right if i do this. If you're not doing hard core gaming or video editing, most any video card will be just fine. I recently got a motherboard plus AMD Phenom II 955 3.2GHz quad core CPU for under $200 that also had a Radeon 4200 graphics chip built in. It's more than enough for what you want to do, plus it has video decoding and HDMI output for home theater sorts of uses. I don't know if it would save any money, but you might want to consider nVidia Quadro based boards, since they're performance is optimized for 2D (normal applications) rather than 3D (gaming) applications. I still have my XP home disk and he has XP as well as Windows 7, but everything i have is set up for XP so i probably will just use XP again. Is that a retail copy of XP or a copy that came installed on a computer? I ask because technically, an OEM version that came preinstalled on a computer can't legally be moved to a different computer in most cases. You might end up having trouble with Windows Genuine Advantage if you try that. is my main concern, calibrating the monitor/video card for photos and prints. For the purposes you've described, the calibration will be a lot more important than what video card you choose. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-05 10:56 , Adam Maas wrote: I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. avoiding the general point, some high points on Mac components are batteries in current MacBooks and MacBooks Pro, and displays on current iMacs; also worth mentioning that the current Mini has an extremely low power draw Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well how so? do you mean that virtualized OSs run more slowly, or what? i certainly get what i need running Win2000, XP 7 plus various Ubuntu and CentOS VMs, so for my modest purposes i don't understand what you might mean by poor host -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you can only move windows from one pc another if you notify MS the first PC has died. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT PC thingies On 2010-09-05 9:06, David J Brooks wrote: - I may have to buy a new computer. As much as i like my iBook, I may just go with another PC, something along the lines of a mid range HP or get one built, by a computer company that was highly recommended to me for around $6-700 Personally, I'd go with either getting one built, or getting something other than an HP/Compaq. I don't have a problem with HP/Compaq's hardware, but they chock the OS full of preloaded crap software that's difficult at best to get rid of. Personally, I'll be getting a Toshiba next time for that very reason. - It will be used primarily for photos, conversions and prints. Suggestions for a Video card would be helpful. The computer guy has a number of cards for various applications and i would like to get this right if i do this. If you're not doing hard core gaming or video editing, most any video card will be just fine. I recently got a motherboard plus AMD Phenom II 955 3.2GHz quad core CPU for under $200 that also had a Radeon 4200 graphics chip built in. It's more than enough for what you want to do, plus it has video decoding and HDMI output for home theater sorts of uses. I don't know if it would save any money, but you might want to consider nVidia Quadro based boards, since they're performance is optimized for 2D (normal applications) rather than 3D (gaming) applications. I still have my XP home disk and he has XP as well as Windows 7, but everything i have is set up for XP so i probably will just use XP again. Is that a retail copy of XP or a copy that came installed on a computer? I ask because technically, an OEM version that came preinstalled on a computer can't legally be moved to a different computer in most cases. You might end up having trouble with Windows Genuine Advantage if you try that. is my main concern, calibrating the monitor/video card for photos and prints. For the purposes you've described, the calibration will be a lot more important than what video card you choose. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-09-05 11:12 , Adam Maas wrote: the OS is Unix. Do you mean the window manager? That's something of a Myth. OS X is not actually Unix. It's a Mach Microkernel running a BSD userspace alongside a separate but integrated Carbon/Cocoa GUI userspace. [...] You could actually rip out the BSD portion [...] it is not a myth and your statement about ripping out BSD is not correct (the BSD user space is far from the whole story); the basic question is what is Unix?, which can be answered on technical and practical levels technically, Mac OS X is POSIX-compliant and its core OS (Darwin) is eligible for the Unix trademark (due to its Single Unix Specification certification); the kernel is not pure Mach, it also draws from BSD (so the BSD aspect is not just userspace), but most importantly the kernel supplies all the services a Unix system needs quoting Apple (emphasis mine): Darwin is the name given to the *FreeBSD environment that comprises the heart of Mac OS X*. FreeBSD is a variant of the Berkeley Software Distribution *UNIX* environment, which provides a secure and stable foundation for building software. Included in this layer are the kernel environment, device drivers, security support, interprocess communication support, and low-level commands and services *used by all programs on the system*. practically, Mac OS X includes all the Unix tools which defined the Unix user experience and programmability as i learned them on a PDP 11/45 (pre-X, pre-GNU); X11 is an optional install, but included with the OS; out of the box, one can ignore the GUI and roll out Mac OS X (or Darwin alone) as a server which, though not most people's first choice, is competent for most anything one might expect a Unix server to do feel free to pick nits, alt.unix.pedants.pdml awaits -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: I've priced this and you can almost always get a pre-built system cheaper than a home-built system. It's been about a decade since building your own was a good economic choice. The biggest reason to build your own system is to get a specific parts selection, but you'll pay at least 10% more that way. Used to build all my own stuff, now I buy relatively barebones-spec HP's and upgrade RAM/HDD/Video and sometimes CPU, saves me a fair bit over any other option. Except... in my experience, the savings are usually made in things like power supplies or quality of memory chips, or cooling fans that quickly wear to sound like F16s. In fact, anything that the manufacturer can get away without specifying exactly. Not really savings at all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-09-05 10:56 , Adam Maas wrote: I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. avoiding the general point, some high points on Mac components are batteries in current MacBooks and MacBooks Pro, and displays on current iMacs; also worth mentioning that the current Mini has an extremely low power draw Actually, the Batteries are a current low point. Good life at the cost of a shop-run to replace. The iMac displays are good. The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw (that's how the Mini achieves it) and the Mini gives up a LOT of performance to get the low power draw. Most SFF PC's are based on desktop hardware and have significantly greater performance, especially in terms of video and HDD performance. Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well how so? do you mean that virtualized OSs run more slowly, or what? i certainly get what i need running Win2000, XP 7 plus various Ubuntu and CentOS VMs, so for my modest purposes i don't understand what you might mean by poor host Virtualization is fine, booting natively not so much and getting those OS's to boot on EFI-based systems can be a real pain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:32 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Adam Maas wrote: I've priced this and you can almost always get a pre-built system cheaper than a home-built system. It's been about a decade since building your own was a good economic choice. The biggest reason to build your own system is to get a specific parts selection, but you'll pay at least 10% more that way. Used to build all my own stuff, now I buy relatively barebones-spec HP's and upgrade RAM/HDD/Video and sometimes CPU, saves me a fair bit over any other option. Except... in my experience, the savings are usually made in things like power supplies or quality of memory chips, or cooling fans that quickly wear to sound like F16s. In fact, anything that the manufacturer can get away without specifying exactly. Not really savings at all. That's not my experience with good brands (HP, Dell, etc) although it most certainly applies to most white box systems and cheap brands. Dell and HP get their savings by buying components by the shipload, White Box stores get theirs by using crap for stuff that doesn't appear on the spec shortlist. My HP's have proven to have lifetimes similar to my Mac's, if not longer. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Damn, out of popcorn. Hang on while I run to the kitchen. -Original Message- From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:47:22 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-09-05 10:56 , Adam Maas wrote: I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. avoiding the general point, some high points on Mac components are batteries in current MacBooks and MacBooks Pro, and displays on current iMacs; also worth mentioning that the current Mini has an extremely low power draw Actually, the Batteries are a current low point. Good life at the cost of a shop-run to replace. The iMac displays are good. The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw (that's how the Mini achieves it) and the Mini gives up a LOT of performance to get the low power draw. Most SFF PC's are based on desktop hardware and have significantly greater performance, especially in terms of video and HDD performance. Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well how so? do you mean that virtualized OSs run more slowly, or what? i certainly get what i need running Win2000, XP 7 plus various Ubuntu and CentOS VMs, so for my modest purposes i don't understand what you might mean by poor host Virtualization is fine, booting natively not so much and getting those OS's to boot on EFI-based systems can be a real pain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My Macbook, which is only about a year old, has an easily replaceable battery that will usually give me abut five hours of computing time. Enough for a flight to California. Works for me. Paul On Sep 5, 2010, at 4:52 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Damn, out of popcorn. Hang on while I run to the kitchen. -Original Message- From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:47:22 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-09-05 10:56 , Adam Maas wrote: I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. avoiding the general point, some high points on Mac components are batteries in current MacBooks and MacBooks Pro, and displays on current iMacs; also worth mentioning that the current Mini has an extremely low power draw Actually, the Batteries are a current low point. Good life at the cost of a shop-run to replace. The iMac displays are good. The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw (that's how the Mini achieves it) and the Mini gives up a LOT of performance to get the low power draw. Most SFF PC's are based on desktop hardware and have significantly greater performance, especially in terms of video and HDD performance. Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well how so? do you mean that virtualized OSs run more slowly, or what? i certainly get what i need running Win2000, XP 7 plus various Ubuntu and CentOS VMs, so for my modest purposes i don't understand what you might mean by poor host Virtualization is fine, booting natively not so much and getting those OS's to boot on EFI-based systems can be a real pain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK, I'll attempt to contribute. I own one of each and have seen many of each go through the chemistry department. The biggest differences for me are viruses and quality control. The macs are more likely not to have a fixable equipment problem out of the box than the PCs. I use a Mac at home because, when I'm not behind the WL firewall, the Macs just have no real problems that way. I sorry but beyond that it's preferences escalating up to religion. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:06 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My Macbook, which is only about a year old, has an easily replaceable battery that will usually give me abut five hours of computing time. Enough for a flight to California. Works for me. Paul On Sep 5, 2010, at 4:52 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Damn, out of popcorn. Hang on while I run to the kitchen. -Original Message- From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:47:22 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PC thingies On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-09-05 10:56 , Adam Maas wrote: I'm talking Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo here. Similar quality components, sometimes better (HP for example uses Asus MB's on their desktops, better quality boards than the Mac desktop boards aside from the Mac Pro's). The components used in the non-Pro Mac's are nothing special and some parts (desktop PSU's in particular) are inferior to the standardized designs used in the PC world. avoiding the general point, some high points on Mac components are batteries in current MacBooks and MacBooks Pro, and displays on current iMacs; also worth mentioning that the current Mini has an extremely low power draw Actually, the Batteries are a current low point. Good life at the cost of a shop-run to replace. The iMac displays are good. The Mini's power draw is nothing special, any laptop-based SFF PC will have similar draw (that's how the Mini achieves it) and the Mini gives up a LOT of performance to get the low power draw. Most SFF PC's are based on desktop hardware and have significantly greater performance, especially in terms of video and HDD performance. Note Macs are poor hosts for OS's other than OS X or Windows as well how so? do you mean that virtualized OSs run more slowly, or what? i certainly get what i need running Win2000, XP 7 plus various Ubuntu and CentOS VMs, so for my modest purposes i don't understand what you might mean by poor host Virtualization is fine, booting natively not so much and getting those OS's to boot on EFI-based systems can be a real pain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/5/2010 9:31 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:17 AM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave (comments interspersed) Well my 2001 PC is acting up again. Not allowing me to boot. I seem to be able to get into it via the safemode, F8 key. First things first, do you have a backup of all data on the system? Yes i do. Also, have you tried logging in as a different user? Same problem? Can't. I turn it on and get the Intel splash screen then a Dos promt saying boot failure. I upgraded the HD in 2006, i think, and it was about a year later i started getting these boot failure prompts. Usually a few retries and i was in. I had it looked at last Oct, and the computer guyone mane show) found nothing wrong, out of the ordinary, and suggested several things. However due to the age of the PC we both agreed it was a waste of money and if it happened again and new PC would be cheaper in the long run, It has been working fine until Saturday and now i can only get intro windows with the F8 key. Dave Try reseating the hard drive cable, on the drive and the MB before anything else. If that doesn't work try replacing the cable with a new one. A lot of failures that look really bad are caused by bad cables, and connections. The computer guy might not have even checked the cables if the machine booted. I've had hard failures that looked much like the symptoms that you're describing. If it;s the drive well it's a good thing you have backups, (if they're good). At the next level the Drive might have been cooked by a failing power supply, and it starts to get complicated - I am trying to restore my system to a previous good date. I am now into to hour two waiting for it to do so, how long should this take. If you mean F8 and boot to last known good it should be a matter of seconds. Last known good only means loading a different, older registry portion for certain settings. These are overwritten upon logon completion so usually they are pretty worthless after a half complete login failed on the profile level. If you mean XP system restore two hours aren't normal either. Basically you can let it run for a while yet without harm assuming it isn't a thermal issue. Can you take off a side cover and check air and hard disk temperatures? The HD is OK to be hot to the touch but you should be able to leave your hand on there as long as you like. Also, while you're in there, listen for very regular ticking/scratching noises from the hard disk. If it is a persistent pattern, it usually means your disk is mechanically defective and cannot reach a certain sector. It could of course just be Windows XP that is dodgy. (I take the liberty to assume you're no longer running 2000 if you speak of a system restore). Have you tried a repair install/in-place upgrade? The XP setup disk needs to be the same service pack level as your current install. If yours isn't, you can use a different computer and nLite (great tool) to create one. The process is called slipstreaming and officially supported by Micro$oft. I won't comment on your buying advice request as I am all about server hardware, I haven't owned a computer since 2004, all I ever have is work laptops. HTH Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6 September 2010 03:23, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: My other concern is the video card. What should i look for in a Dell or HP, and what should i ask the computer builder for.?? Try to get a box new or used with a PCI-E X-16 slot for your graphics card. The best value card for power requirements vs graphics performance vs connection flexibility for photogs at the moment is probably something like the SAPPHIRE HD 5670 1GB http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=psn=000101pid=310 -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
