Re: PESO -- We want moai Christmas.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Neat object, nice image.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:46 AM P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I posted a photo of this imitation moia a few years ago, this year
> he/she/whatever seems to be getting into the spirit of the season.
>
> I've obfuscated the address with tinyurl because Google may still think
> my web host is "dangerious" and when you click through you might get a
> scary message about phishing etc.  The HTML is extremely simple and does
> nothing of the kind.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/u9non9o
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Re: PESO -- We want moai Christmas.

[Larry Colen]

> On Dec 29, 2019, at 10:14 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I posted a photo of this imitation moia a few years ago, this year 
> he/she/whatever seems to be getting into the spirit of the season.
> 
> I've obfuscated the address with tinyurl because Google may still think my 
> web host is "dangerious" and when you click through you might get a scary 
> message about phishing etc.  The HTML is extremely simple and does nothing of 
> the kind.

So it does.  I had to go through three levels of “yes I want to visit this 
site” before it finally showed it to me.

> 
> https://tinyurl.com/u9non9o
> 
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PESO -- We want moai Christmas.

[P. J. Alling]

I posted a photo of this imitation moia a few years ago, this year 
he/she/whatever seems to be getting into the spirit of the season.


I've obfuscated the address with tinyurl because Google may still think 
my web host is "dangerious" and when you click through you might get a 
scary message about phishing etc.  The HTML is extremely simple and does 
nothing of the kind.


https://tinyurl.com/u9non9o

Equipment: Pentax K5II w/Sigma DC 17-70mm f2.8~4.5

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[P. J. Alling]

The problem with small light autofocus lenses is once you put the 
autofocus motor in the lens it's no longer small.  They can be smallish, 
but I would hate to see a 43mm limited with a built in AF motor.  It 
would have to be much bigger.


On 11/2/2019 9:51 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Dear Mark, you would have noticed that in the Film SLR days ALL Pentax
Lenses were Full Frame. Even the SLR themselves were pretty small and
petite looking.
And these Lenses were as large or as small as the DA Lenses on the
current crop of APSC DSLRs.
So why NOT design all Lenses as Full Frame?
This would have kept design and manufacturing efforts and costs down.
Now please don't start searching for a Technical reason why this is
detrimental to Photography.
I just responded to your thread "I want a full-frame version of this lens".
As for Lenses I am a zoom lover - covered between 10 & 300 mm as I am
not into wild life, nature or sports photography - so do not need
longer lenses. No GAS.
Now all my Zooms are brutally sharp.
How do I assure this?? Simple: I will go on buying lenses till I find
the sharpest one. That's the Keeper.
I do have some Prime Lenses because of their f1.2 or f1.4 Apertures
for special Low Light Photography or DOF needs.
Thanks for reading.
Bipin.
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Stanley Halpin]

Juan, welcome back! I have been in BA a few times in the last couple of years, 
kept thinking I needed to track you down and ask for restaurant recommendations 
down there…

And thanks for starting this discussion. Long story short, over the last 20 
years I have bought and sold many lenses. Gradually got to the point where I 
probably don’t need any more and am not actively looking. 
For my K-1 I have the big 3 DFA lenses. (And yes, they are big.) 15-30/2.8, 
24-70/2.8, and 70-200/2.8  

So, a funny thing happened on my last trip to Europe. I left all of those 
lenses home. I took an A-20/2.8,  FA43/1.9, and DFA 100 macro WR.
And I also took the new GR III, APS-C with a fixed lens (28mm effective 
length). Sometimes I used the 43mm, sometimes I used the 20mm e.g. when I was 
inside a church or wanted wider landscapes, but most of my K-1 shots were with 
the 100mm, and the GR III got extensive use for wider shots. Essentially a 
two-camera two-lens system. I did sometimes miss having my zooms, but mostly 
was pleased I had saved the weight and fuss of carrying multiple heavy lenses.

A few decades ago, in the late ‘70s, early ‘80s, I did extensive rock climbing 
and mountaineering. I had a similar two-camera, two-lens system then: a 
Nikkormat with 100mm lens and a MInox G with a zone-focus fixed focal length 
lens (28mm? 35mm?). The Minox was carried on my gear sling, I could be holding 
on the rock with left hand, with the right hand pull up the camera, flip open 
the cover with my thumb, set the focus, match-needle the exposure, compose and 
shoot, flip the cover closed, and be on my way all in just a very few seconds. 
The Ricoh GR III comes the closest to a totally functional 
everything-just-right of any camera I have used since those MInox cameras. I 
just wish it were WR so it would be usable in the rain and had a better coating 
on the screen so that it was usable in bright sun.

Actually, I am at the point where I really need to let go some of those lenses 
in the closet. I love the almost sensual feel of the 77/1.8 but I seldom take 
it anywhere nor use it if I do have it. It is not WR, and when using AF it does 
not allow the manual fine tuning of focus that more modern Pentax lenses have. 
Same is true of the 43mm. Next time I will just take my 50/1.2 for mid-range 
shots. And so I see no reason to keep the 43mm.

Back to the original “lens lust” theme… I had a 400/4.0 (?5.6?) which I bought 
for an Alaska trip in 2016. I was glad to have it, used it often, but too long 
for me to handhold, and other than Alaska there are too few times I shoot 
wildlife when using a tripod. So I sold it after the trip. (Bought a DA* 
300/4.0 instead, which I don’t think I will ever let go.) I would buy another 
400mm if/when I go back to Alaska. 

And then one other, by far the best lens ever, the DA*200/4.0 Macro. I had one, 
I wasn’t using it, I sold it to a list member who could take far more advantage 
of that gem than I could. But don’t think of looking for one, such a search is 
akin to a search for the Golden Fleece or the Holy Grail; you may hear rumors 
of sightings, but you will not find one. 

Stan

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
> 
> I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
> need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
> (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
> 
> DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
> would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
> zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
> KP much anyway.
> 
> M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
> lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
> the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
> And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
> frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
> frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.
> 
> M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
> have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
> 40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.
> 
> DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
> it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
> other lenses covering this range.
> 
> K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
> getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
> regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
> for under $100 back in the late 90s.
> 
> M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper tha

Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Pat Temmerman]

Have the DA16-50 and it was my 2nd favorite lens after the 43mm Ltd (or 
maybe most favorite after being introduced to Scottish weather.) We were 
away for a weekend to one of the western islands, decent weather. 
Walking around all day, 16-50 was just fine. Back to the hotel for 
lunch, back out and suddenly found that I had a 20-50. No drops, no 
jolts. Lens just decided that I no longer needed the range from 16 to 
20.  Found some references on this list to this problem, googled it, 
checked service cost and decided that 20-50 wasn't so bad consider the 
weagher sealing. Later decided that it was just too damn big and heavy - 
and obvious - for walking around towns and cities, so I bought a 2nd 
hand DA21 from Japan. Love it. Have since  bought the 28-105WP and tend 
to go with that. Will still drag out the 16 (20) - 50 if I'm feeling a 
bit land-scapey in inclement weather.



On 03/11/2019 13:18, Paul Stenquist wrote:


I have an excellent barely used DA 16-50/2.8. Pentax sent me a new one about 5 
years ago after failing to fix my original one. This was when I was working 
with them a bit on promotions, so I believe they took care to make sure it was 
a good one. Make me an offer.

Paul


On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:02 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

Actually the lens I want, but can't justify, is the DA 16-50mm f2.8.

I already have a Sigma 17-70 f2.8~4.5 which covers the range, and suits my 
needs most of the time.

Plus the Tamron 17-50mm is a wee bit better optically by all accounts and much 
closer to my budget.

I wouldn't turn my nose up at the Pentax if I could get it for the same price 
as the Tamron, since it probably beats it like a rag doll as far as build 
quality is concerned.


On 11/1/2019 2:12 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:
I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
(which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)

DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
KP much anyway.

M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.

M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.

DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
other lenses covering this range.

K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
for under $100 back in the late 90s.

M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
should be legal. I lost it years ago. I do have an M28/2.8 and the
FA28/2.8, plus a Takumar 28/3.5 (the big barreled one). Oh and I do have
the awesome K30/2.8 and a bunch of other 28s for other mounts, so it's
super hard to justify buying this one.

Takumar 50/1.4, 8 element: I REALLY don't need this. My best 50mms are a
Summicron, the A50/1.4, maybe the M50/1.7 or FA50/1.7 (yes, I have all
those plus a lot more 50s!)

K50/1.2: Again, I don't need another 50. But it sure would be nice to play
with that extra third of a stop.

How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
getting? Any opinions on that list above?

j

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It’s optically the same as the FA43 Limited, but that lens is se up for the 
screwdriver AF drive — the focusing is a bit too quick with a loose feel. Makes 
it hard to be precise. 

The Special is RF coupled and has a beautiful focusing feel and built in hood. 
The only downside is that close focus is .7m, like most RF lenses. Not a big 
issue on the CL since it’s FOV is cropped and it’s a short portrait tele in 
this application. 

G


> On Nov 3, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> The Pentax lens I always wanted is the Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special that
>> they produced in Leica Thread Mount for a short run of about 2000 units.
>> Most were sold in Japan and still command a price around $1500 or so as a
>> complete set with the matching optical viewfinder.
>> 
>> A year or so back after I bought the Leica CL, I found one available in
>> Japan EBay for $600 without the finder and nabbed it. It’s every bit as
>> good a lens as I expected. (-:
> 
> 
> Ohhh, yes, good one Godfrey, I would also love to have that one!
> 
> Is it any different optically to the 43mm Limited? I mean--if you'll use it
> on a camera with live view/EVF, then there's no difference, correct? Is its
> only advantage that it is rangefinder coupled?
> 
> j
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Juan Buhler]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> The Pentax lens I always wanted is the Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special that
> they produced in Leica Thread Mount for a short run of about 2000 units.
> Most were sold in Japan and still command a price around $1500 or so as a
> complete set with the matching optical viewfinder.
>
> A year or so back after I bought the Leica CL, I found one available in
> Japan EBay for $600 without the finder and nabbed it. It’s every bit as
> good a lens as I expected. (-:


Ohhh, yes, good one Godfrey, I would also love to have that one!

Is it any different optically to the 43mm Limited? I mean--if you'll use it
on a camera with live view/EVF, then there's no difference, correct? Is its
only advantage that it is rangefinder coupled?

j

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Paul Stenquist]

I have an excellent barely used DA 16-50/2.8. Pentax sent me a new one about 5 
years ago after failing to fix my original one. This was when I was working 
with them a bit on promotions, so I believe they took care to make sure it was 
a good one. Make me an offer.

Paul

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:02 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Actually the lens I want, but can't justify, is the DA 16-50mm f2.8.
> 
> I already have a Sigma 17-70 f2.8~4.5 which covers the range, and suits my 
> needs most of the time.
> 
> Plus the Tamron 17-50mm is a wee bit better optically by all accounts and 
> much closer to my budget.
> 
> I wouldn't turn my nose up at the Pentax if I could get it for the same price 
> as the Tamron, since it probably beats it like a rag doll as far as build 
> quality is concerned.
> 
>> On 11/1/2019 2:12 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:
>> I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
>> need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
>> (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
>> 
>> DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
>> would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
>> zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
>> KP much anyway.
>> 
>> M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
>> lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
>> the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
>> And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
>> frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
>> frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.
>> 
>> M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
>> have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
>> 40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.
>> 
>> DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
>> it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
>> other lenses covering this range.
>> 
>> K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
>> getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
>> regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
>> for under $100 back in the late 90s.
>> 
>> M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
>> should be legal. I lost it years ago. I do have an M28/2.8 and the
>> FA28/2.8, plus a Takumar 28/3.5 (the big barreled one). Oh and I do have
>> the awesome K30/2.8 and a bunch of other 28s for other mounts, so it's
>> super hard to justify buying this one.
>> 
>> Takumar 50/1.4, 8 element: I REALLY don't need this. My best 50mms are a
>> Summicron, the A50/1.4, maybe the M50/1.7 or FA50/1.7 (yes, I have all
>> those plus a lot more 50s!)
>> 
>> K50/1.2: Again, I don't need another 50. But it sure would be nice to play
>> with that extra third of a stop.
>> 
>> How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
>> getting? Any opinions on that list above?
>> 
>> j
>> 
>> --
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[P. J. Alling]

Actually the lens I want, but can't justify, is the DA 16-50mm f2.8.

I already have a Sigma 17-70 f2.8~4.5 which covers the range, and suits 
my needs most of the time.


Plus the Tamron 17-50mm is a wee bit better optically by all accounts 
and much closer to my budget.


I wouldn't turn my nose up at the Pentax if I could get it for the same 
price as the Tamron, since it probably beats it like a rag doll as far 
as build quality is concerned.


On 11/1/2019 2:12 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:

I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
(which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)

DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
KP much anyway.

M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.

M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.

DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
other lenses covering this range.

K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
for under $100 back in the late 90s.

M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
should be legal. I lost it years ago. I do have an M28/2.8 and the
FA28/2.8, plus a Takumar 28/3.5 (the big barreled one). Oh and I do have
the awesome K30/2.8 and a bunch of other 28s for other mounts, so it's
super hard to justify buying this one.

Takumar 50/1.4, 8 element: I REALLY don't need this. My best 50mms are a
Summicron, the A50/1.4, maybe the M50/1.7 or FA50/1.7 (yes, I have all
those plus a lot more 50s!)

K50/1.2: Again, I don't need another 50. But it sure would be nice to play
with that extra third of a stop.

How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
getting? Any opinions on that list above?

j

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[P. J. Alling]

Ah, yes, a gentle Scottish mist, when the heavens open up and the fish 
swim up out of the rivers and into the sky...


On 11/1/2019 8:01 PM, Pat Temmerman wrote:
Have the DA21... would love if it were fully WP (I live in Scotland. 
Rain is real.)


On 01/11/2019 23:39, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

Paul Stenquist wrote:

I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax 
already offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.

Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.

... and with a price tag to match!

I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.

I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses;
the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.





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RE: Pentax lenses I want

[jcoyle]

I don't really need any more lens, I go from 16mm  to 400mm (with a gap
between 210 and 400), but none of my current photography would justify the
expense of filling in the gap.  If I could find one, the power zoom 28-105
was one of the best I have had, and wouldn't mind getting it for when my
28-105 3.5/5.6 wears out.  However, as I've mentioned before, my phot kit
will probably last longer than I will!


John in Brisbane


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-Original Message-
From: PDML  On Behalf Of Juan Buhler
Sent: Saturday, 2 November 2019 4:13 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Pentax lenses I want

I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
(which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)

DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15 would
be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some zooms
that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the KP much
anyway.

M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.

M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.

DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting it
since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have other
lenses covering this range.

K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
for under $100 back in the late 90s.

M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
should be legal. I lost it years ago. I do have an M28/2.8 and the FA28/2.8,
plus a Takumar 28/3.5 (the big barreled one). Oh and I do have the awesome
K30/2.8 and a bunch of other 28s for other mounts, so it's super hard to
justify buying this one.

Takumar 50/1.4, 8 element: I REALLY don't need this. My best 50mms are a
Summicron, the A50/1.4, maybe the M50/1.7 or FA50/1.7 (yes, I have all those
plus a lot more 50s!)

K50/1.2: Again, I don't need another 50. But it sure would be nice to play
with that extra third of a stop.

How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
getting? Any opinions on that list above?

j

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Ken Waller]

Nicely captured image - good job.


-Original Message-
>From: Toine 
>Subject: Re: Pentax lenses I want
>
>My last lens, HD DA 55-300, probably makes my wanted list complete. I
>do have the 60-250 which is somewhat better but a monster compared to
>the tiny HD 55-300. The old 55-300 was excellent, the HD version is
>even better. The other lenses on my wanted list are or were the DA35
>macro, DFA 100 macro and 08 Wide zoom.
>
>sample shot of today with lots of cropping:
>https://www.repiuk.nl/content/imgp1852/lightbox/
>
>On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 22:25, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
>> >
>> > I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
>> > need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
>> > (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
>>
>> I’ve been very lucky that in the past few years I’ve managed to score on 
>> several of my wishlist lenses, mostly through a combination of gifts and KEH.
>>
>> DA 35 macro
>> FA 43 ltd
>> DFA 100 WR macro
>> Sigma 35/1.4 macro
>>
>> I always find myself wanting faster lenses, and particularly faster and 
>> wider, or faster and longer.  It must be really nice to be one of those 
>> people that only does one small subset of photography, like sports, wildlife 
>> or landscape.  I take some consolation in Moore’s Law in that as sensors get 
>> better I can use an f/2.8 lens in cases where I used to need f/1.4 or 
>> faster. Unfortunately, I now find myself photographing in even more 
>> ridiculous light levels and still needing faster glass.
>>
>> Also, unfortunately, I find myself needing autofocus more and more.  The 
>> situation could be relieved a bit with decent through the eyepiece live view 
>> with focus peaking, or a split focusing screen (katzeye), but age is taking 
>> its toll on my eyesight even faster than on my memory.
>>
>> My 77/1.8 is still one of my favorite lenses, but when photographing 
>> musicians I still want faster and longer, 85/1.4, or 135 f/2 or faster.
>>
>> In a similar vein, a lot of the night landscapes I do require faster and 
>> wider than what I have. I’ve got the Rokinon 24/1.4 which is pretty nice, 
>> and the Pentax 15-30/2.8, but I still constantly find myself up against 
>> difficulties capturing the night sky, and wanting both faster and wider 
>> glass.   It expect that better sensors, and/or better processing software 
>> could alleviate those issues.  In theory software could take multiple 
>> images, separate sky from foreground, stack and stitch them separately and 
>> put them back together in one clean photo. In theory, the software could 
>> even do something fancy with convolution and unsmear the stars.
>> While I’m off topic and talking about my software wishlist, it would be nice 
>> if I could just point my processing software and a directory, have it look 
>> at time stamps, GPS, compass and accelerometer data and automatically HDR 
>> and/or stitch any photos that could be.
>>
>> When photographing wildlife, I constantly find myself up against the length 
>> and speed limits of my bigma (50-500), I don’t know what would be better, 
>> but I do know that I can’t afford it.
>>
>> If I was shooting APS I’d definitely want the sigma f/1.8 zooms (18-35 and 
>> 50-100), if they were full frame I’d probably try to rent out my body on 
>> street corners to come up with the money.  In the department of wishing it 
>> were full frame, I could really use the 50-135/2.8 range in full frame, 
>> although a 35-100/2.8 would probably do me even more good.
>>
>> I also wish that I had weather sealed versions of pretty much all of my 
>> legacy glass. I don’t stop taking photos when the weather gets a bit damp. 
>> As has been recently observed, that’s often when the best opportunities 
>> happen.
>>
>> The DA40/2.8 was mentioned, and back in the days of my K-x that was one of 
>> my favorite walkabout lenses because it turned the K-x into practically a 
>> pocket camera.  Like the DA35 macro, it vignettes a little bit on the K-1, 
>> but is still manageable.  Processing software could solve a lot of that.
>> Speaking of software wishlists, I wish my K-1 gave me an option between APS 
>> and FF, and also that the square format option didn’t store all of the raw 
>> sensor data so that it was useful in raw mode to save the K-1 buffer space.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> l...@red4est.com


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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[John]

On 11/2/2019 17:51:10, Dale H. Cook wrote:
My wishlist for anything generally greatly exceeds the contents of my wallet. 
For now I have to be content owning a Pentax-DA 18-270mm as my walking-around 
lens, a Rokinon 650Z 650-1300mm as my long glass, and a Pentax-A 50mm f2. The 
only lens currently on my wishlist is a suitable late-model replacement for the 
50mm as I want to return it to the K-1000 and sell all of my 35mm film kit as a 
lot.


Check KEH. I frequently see the "Pentax 50mm F/1.4 SMC FA" there at "won't break 
the bank" prices.


Plus it's a full-frame lens if you ever get a K-1, although as far as I could 
tell, the "Pentax 50mm F/1.8 SMC DA" doesn't vignette on the K-1 even though 
it's technically a crop sensor lens.


They usually have that one available too.

Actually, I have you to thank for my latest acquisition. I was looking at KEH 
for sturdy tripods to recommend in response to your post lamenting that yours 
wasn't steady enough for photographing hummingbirds. After I found several good 
Gitzo/Manfrotto legs, I figured "What the heck, I'll see if they've got any 
Pentax lenses I want." ... and the FA 600/f4 just kind of fell into my lap.



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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Toine]

My last lens, HD DA 55-300, probably makes my wanted list complete. I
do have the 60-250 which is somewhat better but a monster compared to
the tiny HD 55-300. The old 55-300 was excellent, the HD version is
even better. The other lenses on my wanted list are or were the DA35
macro, DFA 100 macro and 08 Wide zoom.

sample shot of today with lots of cropping:
https://www.repiuk.nl/content/imgp1852/lightbox/

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 22:25, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
> >
> > I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
> > need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
> > (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
>
> I’ve been very lucky that in the past few years I’ve managed to score on 
> several of my wishlist lenses, mostly through a combination of gifts and KEH.
>
> DA 35 macro
> FA 43 ltd
> DFA 100 WR macro
> Sigma 35/1.4 macro
>
> I always find myself wanting faster lenses, and particularly faster and 
> wider, or faster and longer.  It must be really nice to be one of those 
> people that only does one small subset of photography, like sports, wildlife 
> or landscape.  I take some consolation in Moore’s Law in that as sensors get 
> better I can use an f/2.8 lens in cases where I used to need f/1.4 or faster. 
> Unfortunately, I now find myself photographing in even more ridiculous light 
> levels and still needing faster glass.
>
> Also, unfortunately, I find myself needing autofocus more and more.  The 
> situation could be relieved a bit with decent through the eyepiece live view 
> with focus peaking, or a split focusing screen (katzeye), but age is taking 
> its toll on my eyesight even faster than on my memory.
>
> My 77/1.8 is still one of my favorite lenses, but when photographing 
> musicians I still want faster and longer, 85/1.4, or 135 f/2 or faster.
>
> In a similar vein, a lot of the night landscapes I do require faster and 
> wider than what I have. I’ve got the Rokinon 24/1.4 which is pretty nice, and 
> the Pentax 15-30/2.8, but I still constantly find myself up against 
> difficulties capturing the night sky, and wanting both faster and wider 
> glass.   It expect that better sensors, and/or better processing software 
> could alleviate those issues.  In theory software could take multiple images, 
> separate sky from foreground, stack and stitch them separately and put them 
> back together in one clean photo. In theory, the software could even do 
> something fancy with convolution and unsmear the stars.
> While I’m off topic and talking about my software wishlist, it would be nice 
> if I could just point my processing software and a directory, have it look at 
> time stamps, GPS, compass and accelerometer data and automatically HDR and/or 
> stitch any photos that could be.
>
> When photographing wildlife, I constantly find myself up against the length 
> and speed limits of my bigma (50-500), I don’t know what would be better, but 
> I do know that I can’t afford it.
>
> If I was shooting APS I’d definitely want the sigma f/1.8 zooms (18-35 and 
> 50-100), if they were full frame I’d probably try to rent out my body on 
> street corners to come up with the money.  In the department of wishing it 
> were full frame, I could really use the 50-135/2.8 range in full frame, 
> although a 35-100/2.8 would probably do me even more good.
>
> I also wish that I had weather sealed versions of pretty much all of my 
> legacy glass. I don’t stop taking photos when the weather gets a bit damp. As 
> has been recently observed, that’s often when the best opportunities happen.
>
> The DA40/2.8 was mentioned, and back in the days of my K-x that was one of my 
> favorite walkabout lenses because it turned the K-x into practically a pocket 
> camera.  Like the DA35 macro, it vignettes a little bit on the K-1, but is 
> still manageable.  Processing software could solve a lot of that.
> Speaking of software wishlists, I wish my K-1 gave me an option between APS 
> and FF, and also that the square format option didn’t store all of the raw 
> sensor data so that it was useful in raw mode to save the K-1 buffer space.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Dale H. Cook]

My wishlist for anything generally greatly exceeds the contents of my 
wallet. For now I have to be content owning a Pentax-DA 18-270mm as my 
walking-around lens, a Rokinon 650Z 650-1300mm as my long glass, and a 
Pentax-A 50mm f2. The only lens currently on my wishlist is a suitable 
late-model replacement for the 50mm as I want to return it to the K-1000 
and sell all of my 35mm film kit as a lot.

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Larry Colen]

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
> 
> I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
> need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
> (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)

I’ve been very lucky that in the past few years I’ve managed to score on 
several of my wishlist lenses, mostly through a combination of gifts and KEH.

DA 35 macro
FA 43 ltd
DFA 100 WR macro
Sigma 35/1.4 macro

I always find myself wanting faster lenses, and particularly faster and wider, 
or faster and longer.  It must be really nice to be one of those people that 
only does one small subset of photography, like sports, wildlife or landscape.  
I take some consolation in Moore’s Law in that as sensors get better I can use 
an f/2.8 lens in cases where I used to need f/1.4 or faster. Unfortunately, I 
now find myself photographing in even more ridiculous light levels and still 
needing faster glass.

Also, unfortunately, I find myself needing autofocus more and more.  The 
situation could be relieved a bit with decent through the eyepiece live view 
with focus peaking, or a split focusing screen (katzeye), but age is taking its 
toll on my eyesight even faster than on my memory.

My 77/1.8 is still one of my favorite lenses, but when photographing musicians 
I still want faster and longer, 85/1.4, or 135 f/2 or faster.

In a similar vein, a lot of the night landscapes I do require faster and wider 
than what I have. I’ve got the Rokinon 24/1.4 which is pretty nice, and the 
Pentax 15-30/2.8, but I still constantly find myself up against difficulties 
capturing the night sky, and wanting both faster and wider glass.   It expect 
that better sensors, and/or better processing software could alleviate those 
issues.  In theory software could take multiple images, separate sky from 
foreground, stack and stitch them separately and put them back together in one 
clean photo. In theory, the software could even do something fancy with 
convolution and unsmear the stars.  
While I’m off topic and talking about my software wishlist, it would be nice if 
I could just point my processing software and a directory, have it look at time 
stamps, GPS, compass and accelerometer data and automatically HDR and/or stitch 
any photos that could be.

When photographing wildlife, I constantly find myself up against the length and 
speed limits of my bigma (50-500), I don’t know what would be better, but I do 
know that I can’t afford it.

If I was shooting APS I’d definitely want the sigma f/1.8 zooms (18-35 and 
50-100), if they were full frame I’d probably try to rent out my body on street 
corners to come up with the money.  In the department of wishing it were full 
frame, I could really use the 50-135/2.8 range in full frame, although a 
35-100/2.8 would probably do me even more good.

I also wish that I had weather sealed versions of pretty much all of my legacy 
glass. I don’t stop taking photos when the weather gets a bit damp. As has been 
recently observed, that’s often when the best opportunities happen.

The DA40/2.8 was mentioned, and back in the days of my K-x that was one of my 
favorite walkabout lenses because it turned the K-x into practically a pocket 
camera.  Like the DA35 macro, it vignettes a little bit on the K-1, but is 
still manageable.  Processing software could solve a lot of that.
Speaking of software wishlists, I wish my K-1 gave me an option between APS and 
FF, and also that the square format option didn’t store all of the raw sensor 
data so that it was useful in raw mode to save the K-1 buffer space.




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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Larry Colen]

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 6:51 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Dear Mark, you would have noticed that in the Film SLR days ALL Pentax
> Lenses were Full Frame. Even the SLR themselves were pretty small and
> petite looking.
> And these Lenses were as large or as small as the DA Lenses on the
> current crop of APSC DSLRs.
> So why NOT design all Lenses as Full Frame?

Only two reasons, size and cost.


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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[mike wilson]

> On 02 November 2019 at 13:51 Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 

> And these Lenses were as large or as small as the DA Lenses on the
> current crop of APSC DSLRs.
> So why NOT design all Lenses as Full Frame?
> This would have kept design and manufacturing efforts and costs down.

Who needs to search?

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The Pentax lens I always wanted is the Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special that they 
produced in Leica Thread Mount for a short run of about 2000 units. Most were 
sold in Japan and still command a price around $1500 or so as a complete set 
with the matching optical viewfinder. 

A year or so back after I bought the Leica CL, I found one available in Japan 
EBay for $600 without the finder and nabbed it. It’s every bit as good a lens 
as I expected. (-:

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Paul Stenquist]

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:44 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 08:23:20AM -0400, John wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2019 19:39:33, John Francis wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
> I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax 
> already offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.
 
 Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.
>>> 
>>> ... and with a price tag to match!
>>> 
>>> I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
>>> to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
>>> because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
>>> from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
>>> met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
>>> makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
>>> it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
>>> fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
>>> my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses;
>>> the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
>>> a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> I got lucky and the one last lens that I was pining away for just happened
>> to fall into my lap this fall (even if I will still be paying for it for the
>> next three years).
> 
> My lucky moment came around 20 years ago, when the lens I'd always longed for
> (but thought I'd never own, as it wasn't cheap) turned up on the used market.
> Apparently someone who earned his living shooting NASCAR was switching from
> Pentax to Nikon, as his editors were now insisting on digital images.
> 
> I found out about this from a post on rec.photos.marketplace, which went
> something like "If you're looking for a bargain, Charlotte Camera have a
> Pentax 250-600 for sale for _only_ $3000", plus some other remarks which
> made it fairly clear the poster meant this mostly as a humorous comment.
> 
> Five minutes later I followed up with a post that said "No they don't ..."
> 
> Then I had to explain to the household expenditure committee why I'd just
> paid that much for a lens, especially since it was only a couple of months
> since I'd picked up a used A* 300/2.8 (with 1.4x and 2x teleconverters).
> 
> 
I think you were shooting with the 250-600 for the first time when I ran into 
you at the Long Beach race. Do you still use it? How is it on digital?
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[John Francis]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 08:23:20AM -0400, John wrote:
> On 11/1/2019 19:39:33, John Francis wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > > Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax 
> > > > already offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.
> > 
> > ... and with a price tag to match!
> > 
> > I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
> > to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
> > because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
> > from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
> > met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.
> > 
> > I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
> > makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
> > it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
> > fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
> > my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses;
> > the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
> > a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I got lucky and the one last lens that I was pining away for just happened
> to fall into my lap this fall (even if I will still be paying for it for the
> next three years).

My lucky moment came around 20 years ago, when the lens I'd always longed for
(but thought I'd never own, as it wasn't cheap) turned up on the used market.
Apparently someone who earned his living shooting NASCAR was switching from
Pentax to Nikon, as his editors were now insisting on digital images.

I found out about this from a post on rec.photos.marketplace, which went
something like "If you're looking for a bargain, Charlotte Camera have a
Pentax 250-600 for sale for _only_ $3000", plus some other remarks which
made it fairly clear the poster meant this mostly as a humorous comment.

Five minutes later I followed up with a post that said "No they don't ..."

Then I had to explain to the household expenditure committee why I'd just
paid that much for a lens, especially since it was only a couple of months
since I'd picked up a used A* 300/2.8 (with 1.4x and 2x teleconverters).


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Pentax lenses I want

[Bipin Gupta]

Dear Mark, you would have noticed that in the Film SLR days ALL Pentax
Lenses were Full Frame. Even the SLR themselves were pretty small and
petite looking.
And these Lenses were as large or as small as the DA Lenses on the
current crop of APSC DSLRs.
So why NOT design all Lenses as Full Frame?
This would have kept design and manufacturing efforts and costs down.
Now please don't start searching for a Technical reason why this is
detrimental to Photography.
I just responded to your thread "I want a full-frame version of this lens".
As for Lenses I am a zoom lover - covered between 10 & 300 mm as I am
not into wild life, nature or sports photography - so do not need
longer lenses. No GAS.
Now all my Zooms are brutally sharp.
How do I assure this?? Simple: I will go on buying lenses till I find
the sharpest one. That's the Keeper.
I do have some Prime Lenses because of their f1.2 or f1.4 Apertures
for special Low Light Photography or DOF needs.
Thanks for reading.
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[John]

On 11/1/2019 19:39:33, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

Paul Stenquist wrote:


I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax already 
offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.


Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.


... and with a price tag to match!

I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.

I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses;
the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.




I got lucky and the one last lens that I was pining away for just happened to 
fall into my lap this fall (even if I will still be paying for it for the next 
three years).


I think I've now got not only everything I need, but everything I wanted ... 
unless I run across a Tokina ATX-Pro 287 28-70 f/2.8 to replace the one I wore 
out. I've got the Sigma 24-70, but I don't love it the way I loved that Tokina lens.


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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Pat Temmerman]

Have the DA21... would love if it were fully WP (I live in Scotland. 
Rain is real.)


On 01/11/2019 23:39, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

Paul Stenquist wrote:


I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax already 
offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.

Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.

... and with a price tag to match!

I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.

I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses;
the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.




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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[John Francis]

On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> >I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax already 
> >offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.
> 
> Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.

... and with a price tag to match!

I could never quite persuade myself I needed the older FA* 28-70/2.8
to go along with the FA* 80-200/2.8 that was my main lens. But that's
because I was mostly doing motorsports photography - very different
from the sort of thing that Juan does - so the 28-105/f4.0-5.6 I had
met my needs for the occasional pit or paddock shots.

I'm waiting to see whether the announced flagship APS-C camera body
makes it all the way into production; if it does, (and assuming that
it has the sort of feature upgrades that could tempt me) there's a
fairly good chance I'll buy one last Pentax body. But despite what
my PDML T-shirt says I'm not sure I'll be buying any more lenses; 
the main potential candidate - the D FA 150-450 - would add quite
a bit to whatever the new body (plus grip) would cost.


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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Juan Buhler]

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

>
> I'm about to sell a load of M and A primes because my old eyes aren't
> good at focussing anymore, including a M3.5/28 and a M4/20.
>
>
Make sure to post here when you do, who knows... :)

j

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax already 
>offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.

Yeah, it's excellent. But it's also huge compared to the 28-105.

 
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Paul Stenquist]

I would think a full frame 24-70/4 is very unlikely in that Pentax already 
offers an excellent 24-70/2.8.

Paul

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Juan Buhler wrote:
> 
>> I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
>> need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
>> (which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
>> 
>> DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
>> would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
>> zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
>> KP much anyway.
> 
> I'd love to have this lens for the K-01 I use for street shooting. But
> I just can't justify the expense.
> 
>> DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
>> it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
>> other lenses covering this range.
> 
> I want a full-frame version of this lens. It would my daily choice on
> the K-1.
> 
> What I'm wishing for is a slower (say f/3.5 or 4) 24-70 weather sealed
> zoom for full-frame. I have the 28-105 f/3.5-5.6 and it's a great lens
> that's my main choice for hiking but I'd happily sacrifice 35mm on the
> long end to get an extra 5mm on the wide end.
> 
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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.11.19 um 19:12 schrieb Juan Buhler:


M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
lenses.


A nice lens if you have a thing for primes. On the downside it's not
faster than most wide-angle zooms. Have one in my camera bag (aka The
Millstone) and haven't used it for years.


M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens.


I've had one and sold it, years ago. A typical Tessar design:
pseudo-sharp with godawful bokeh. OK if you want something that can be
put on a MX and still fits into your pocket. Optically, there are far
better lenses.


M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
should be legal.


That's indeed a really nice lens. A somewhat wider standard lens on APS-C.


How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
getting? Any opinions on that list above?


The lenses I'd want all don't exist and probably never will: faster
zooms without the bulk.

I'm about to sell a load of M and A primes because my old eyes aren't
good at focussing anymore, including a M3.5/28 and a M4/20.

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Re: Pentax lenses I want

[Mark Roberts]

Juan Buhler wrote:

>I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
>need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
>(which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)
>
>DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
>would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
>zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
>KP much anyway.

I'd love to have this lens for the K-01 I use for street shooting. But
I just can't justify the expense.

>DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
>it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
>other lenses covering this range.

I want a full-frame version of this lens. It would my daily choice on
the K-1.

What I'm wishing for is a slower (say f/3.5 or 4) 24-70 weather sealed
zoom for full-frame. I have the 28-105 f/3.5-5.6 and it's a great lens
that's my main choice for hiking but I'd happily sacrifice 35mm on the
long end to get an extra 5mm on the wide end.
 
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[Juan Buhler]

I figured I'd start a thread about lens lust. Note this is not "lenses I
need". I have too many as it is, covering every focal length I care about
(which doesn't go much further than 100 or 135mm anyway)

DA15/4: I have the DA21mm, and it's an awesome lens. Seems like the 15
would be a great companion to it. I don't really need it, since I have some
zooms that cover this focal length, plus I haven't been shooting with the
KP much anyway.

M20/4: I don't know why I want this one, I just do. I really like the M
lenses. I do have the DA21 Limited for APS, and the Sigma 20/2.8 for APS on
the Sony, and an awesome Zeiss 21/2.8 for full frame on Leicas and Sonys.
And that's without counting the zooms that cover that both on APS and full
frame: I have a 17-70/4, a 12-24/4, and a Canon 17-40/4 that covers full
frame with fast AF via an adaptor on the Sony.

M40/2.8: I just always wanted that little pancake lens. Don't need it, as I
have tons of both 35mm and 50mm lenses, plus a really nice Konica Hexanon
40mm/1.8 that is perfect for the A7ii.

DA20-40: This seems like the perfect street lens for the KP. Been wanting
it since it came out, but never pulled the trigger. Again, I already have
other lenses covering this range.

K85/1.8: I had this lens. It fell from my motorcycle jacket the day I was
getting my istD back in 2004. I never saw it again. It's not a FL I
regularly use so it's hard to justify. I had found it in pristine condition
for under $100 back in the late 90s.

M28/3.5: This was my main 28, my copy seemed to be a lot sharper than what
should be legal. I lost it years ago. I do have an M28/2.8 and the
FA28/2.8, plus a Takumar 28/3.5 (the big barreled one). Oh and I do have
the awesome K30/2.8 and a bunch of other 28s for other mounts, so it's
super hard to justify buying this one.

Takumar 50/1.4, 8 element: I REALLY don't need this. My best 50mms are a
Summicron, the A50/1.4, maybe the M50/1.7 or FA50/1.7 (yes, I have all
those plus a lot more 50s!)

K50/1.2: Again, I don't need another 50. But it sure would be nice to play
with that extra third of a stop.

How about you? Any lenses you've always wanted but haven't gotten around to
getting? Any opinions on that list above?

j

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Jostein]

Snow is inevitable here.

Uphills are avoidable, fortunately.

Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 16:14, skrev Larry Colen:



Jostein wrote on 12/14/18 1:14 AM:

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in 
space where the Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)


And you've probably done it uphill, in the snow.




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Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.
That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When 
the Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar 
Cross Section (RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was 
mounted on a pylon for the tests. Because the Soviets already has 
some spy satellites and the CIA didn't want the Soviets to see the 
mockup they removed the it from the pylon when a Soviet satellite 
was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA didn't realize was that 
the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow of the 
mockup was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able 
to discern the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the 
shadow. Once the CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the 
mockup they figured out how it was obtained and then instituted 
thermal counter measures.


The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Jostein]

Indeed.

And not to mention lifting that lens in Jupiter gravity.

Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 21:59, skrev l...@red4est.com:

He could probably do so from Jupiter, but a lens with a 500 km focal length 
might be out of his budget.

On December 14, 2018 11:13:55 AM PST, John  wrote:

I wonder how high up in the nosebleed seats you'd have to be so that
you're
enough light-years away from the stage to catch the singer still at the
microphone?

On 12/14/2018 04:14:25, Jostein wrote:

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in

space where the

Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)

Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.

That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When

the

Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross

Section

(RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted on a

pylon for

the tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy satellites and

the CIA

didn't want the Soviets to see the mockup they removed the it from

the pylon

when a Soviet satellite was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA

didn't

realize was that the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging.

The shadow

of the mockup was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets

were able to

discern the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow.

Once the

CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they

figured out how

it was obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.

The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Jostein]

LOL!

Don't think distance would compensate for my slow reaction time though.

Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 20:13, skrev John:
I wonder how high up in the nosebleed seats you'd have to be so that 
you're enough light-years away from the stage to catch the singer 
still at the microphone?


On 12/14/2018 04:14:25, Jostein wrote:

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in 
space where the Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)


Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.
That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When 
the Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar 
Cross Section (RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was 
mounted on a pylon for the tests. Because the Soviets already has 
some spy satellites and the CIA didn't want the Soviets to see the 
mockup they removed the it from the pylon when a Soviet satellite 
was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA didn't realize was that 
the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow of the 
mockup was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able 
to discern the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the 
shadow. Once the CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the 
mockup they figured out how it was obtained and then instituted 
thermal counter measures.


The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[lrc]

He could probably do so from Jupiter, but a lens with a 500 km focal length 
might be out of his budget.

On December 14, 2018 11:13:55 AM PST, John  wrote:
>I wonder how high up in the nosebleed seats you'd have to be so that
>you're 
>enough light-years away from the stage to catch the singer still at the
>microphone?
>
>On 12/14/2018 04:14:25, Jostein wrote:
>> Interesting.
>> 
>> Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in
>space where the 
>> Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)
>> 
>> Jostein
>> 
>> Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:
>>> At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.
>>> That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When
>the 
>>> Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross
>Section 
>>> (RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted on a
>pylon for 
>>> the tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy satellites and
>the CIA 
>>> didn't want the Soviets to see the mockup they removed the it from
>the pylon 
>>> when a Soviet satellite was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA
>didn't 
>>> realize was that the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging.
>The shadow 
>>> of the mockup was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets
>were able to 
>>> discern the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow.
>Once the 
>>> CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they
>figured out how 
>>> it was obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.
>>>
>>> The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.
>>>
>>> Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer,
>>> now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking-
>>> around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens
>>>
>>>
>> 
>
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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[John]

I wonder how high up in the nosebleed seats you'd have to be so that you're 
enough light-years away from the stage to catch the singer still at the microphone?


On 12/14/2018 04:14:25, Jostein wrote:

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in space where the 
Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)


Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.
That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When the 
Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross Section 
(RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted on a pylon for 
the tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy satellites and the CIA 
didn't want the Soviets to see the mockup they removed the it from the pylon 
when a Soviet satellite was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA didn't 
realize was that the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow 
of the mockup was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able to 
discern the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow. Once the 
CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they figured out how 
it was obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.


The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/14/2018 11:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Dec 12, 2018, at 11:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:

The local Green Wood Pigeons are very sensitive to human movement & will 
explode out of a tree at even as far as 30m. Amazingly, they are not fazed by cows 
or dogs.

Of course! It's the humans who dangerous.



Naa, they got that wrong, /everything/ is dangerous.



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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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> On Dec 12, 2018, at 11:07 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> The local Green Wood Pigeons are very sensitive to human movement & will 
> explode out of a tree at even as far as 30m. Amazingly, they are not fazed by 
> cows or dogs.

Of course! It's the humans who dangerous. 




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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Larry Colen]

Jostein wrote on 12/14/18 1:14 AM:

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in space 
where the Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)


And you've probably done it uphill, in the snow.




Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.
That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When 
the Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross 
Section (RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted 
on a pylon for the tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy 
satellites and the CIA didn't want the Soviets to see the mockup they 
removed the it from the pylon when a Soviet satellite was due to pass 
overhead. At first the CIA didn't realize was that the Soviet 
satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow of the mockup was 
cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able to discern 
the mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow. Once the 
CIA learned that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they figured 
out how it was obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.


The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Jostein]

Interesting.

Come to think of it, I have frequently photographed the place in space 
where the Andromeda galaxy was two million years ago. :-)


Jostein

Den 14.12.2018 00:49, skrev Dale H. Cook:

At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:


I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.

That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When the 
Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross Section 
(RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted on a pylon for the 
tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy satellites and the CIA didn't 
want the Soviets to see the mockup they removed the it from the pylon when a 
Soviet satellite was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA didn't realize was 
that the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow of the mockup 
was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able to discern the 
mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow. Once the CIA learned 
that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they figured out how it was 
obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.

The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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At 03:25 PM 12/13/2018, Alex Sarbu wrote:

>I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.

That reminds me of a NatGeo program about Area 51 (Groom Lake). When the 
Lockheed A-12 spy plane was in development for the CIA Radar Cross Section 
(RCS) testing was going on at the base. A mockup was mounted on a pylon for the 
tests. Because the Soviets already has some spy satellites and the CIA didn't 
want the Soviets to see the mockup they removed the it from the pylon when a 
Soviet satellite was due to pass overhead. At first the CIA didn't realize was 
that the Soviet satellites could do infrared imaging. The shadow of the mockup 
was cooler than the surrounding ground. The Soviets were able to discern the 
mockup's outline from the infrared image of the shadow. Once the CIA learned 
that the Soviets had an outline of the mockup they figured out how it was 
obtained and then instituted thermal counter measures.

The Soviet photographs showed the place where the mockup was.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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John wrote:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeNopYqthE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo


>On 12/12/2018 23:24:01, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On December 12, 2018 8:00:17 PM PST, Alan C  wrote:
>>> I think your hairstyle's the problem.
>> 
>> Not a bit, they think it's a shrubbery.
>> 
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
 friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
 clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
 open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds
>>> away,
 and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.

 In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
>>> where
 a bird recently had been.

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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeNopYqthE

On 12/12/2018 23:24:01, l...@red4est.com wrote:



On December 12, 2018 8:00:17 PM PST, Alan C  wrote:

I think your hairstyle's the problem.


Not a bit, they think it's a shrubbery.



Alan C

On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds

away,

and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.

In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot

where

a bird recently had been.




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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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I'm able to photograph the place where the concert was.

Alex
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:25 PM Jostein  wrote:
>
> It could be worse, Larry.
>
> You could have excelled in photographing microphones where a singer has
> recently been.
>
> That's about my level of skill at concert photography.
>
> Jostein
>
> Den 13.12.2018 00:52, skrev Larry Colen:
> > It is only exceeded by my ability to take perfectly focused photos of
> > microphones in front of singers.
> >
> > P. J. Alling wrote on 12/12/18 3:32 PM:
> >> I think that's a skill we all share.
> >>
> >> On 12/12/2018 4:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>> In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
> >>> where a bird recently had been.
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Bill]

On 12/13/2018 12:02 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Since when do you need a reason to get another lens?


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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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Since when do you need a reason to get another lens?


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen Subject: A reason to want the 150-450
>
>I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my friend 
>Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a clear view 
>of it from his living room with the sliding glass door open.  The noise 
>of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds away, and a quieter 
>focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.
>
>In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where a 
>bird recently had been.
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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Jostein]

It could be worse, Larry.

You could have excelled in photographing microphones where a singer has 
recently been.


That's about my level of skill at concert photography.

Jostein

Den 13.12.2018 00:52, skrev Larry Colen:
It is only exceeded by my ability to take perfectly focused photos of 
microphones in front of singers.


P. J. Alling wrote on 12/12/18 3:32 PM:

I think that's a skill we all share.

On 12/12/2018 4:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot 
where a bird recently had been. 







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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[P. J. Alling]

We are the knights who say Ni!  But not that shrubbery...

On 12/12/2018 11:24 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:


On December 12, 2018 8:00:17 PM PST, Alan C  wrote:

I think your hairstyle's the problem.

Not a bit, they think it's a shrubbery.


Alan C

On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds

away,

and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.

In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot

where

a bird recently had been.



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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Alan C]

Flower Power?

Alan C

On 13-Dec-18 06:24 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:


On December 12, 2018 8:00:17 PM PST, Alan C  wrote:

I think your hairstyle's the problem.

Not a bit, they think it's a shrubbery.


Alan C

On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds

away,

and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.

In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot

where

a bird recently had been.



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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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On December 12, 2018 8:00:17 PM PST, Alan C  wrote:
>I think your hairstyle's the problem.

Not a bit, they think it's a shrubbery.

>
>Alan C
>
>On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my 
>> friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a 
>> clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door 
>> open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds
>away, 
>> and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.
>>
>> In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
>where 
>> a bird recently had been.
>>
>
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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Alan C]

The local Green Wood Pigeons are very sensitive to human movement & will 
explode out of a tree at even as far as 30m. Amazingly, they are not 
fazed by cows or dogs.


Alan C

On 13-Dec-18 03:47 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I’ve found that my birds are most disturbed by sudden movements and are more 
tolerant of noise. I try to be  positioned with my hands on the camera when 
waiting for a bird shot. When the bird alights on a branch I slowly swing the 
ball head mounted camera into position.

Paul


On Dec 12, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:53:20 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:


I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
open.  The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds
away, and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that
problem.

that's a real problem with the the 55-300 too.


In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
where a bird recently had been.



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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Alan C]

I think your hairstyle's the problem.

Alan C

On 12-Dec-18 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my 
friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a 
clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door 
open. The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds away, 
and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.


In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where 
a bird recently had been.





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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[John]

Reason? We don't need no steenkin' reason.

This is PDML. You want what you want because you want it. That's all the 
"reason" you need.



On 12/12/2018 16:53:20, Larry Colen wrote:
I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my friend Phil's 
house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a clear view of it from his 
living room with the sliding glass door open.  The noise of my bigma focusing 
would often scare the birds away, and a quieter focusing lens would definitely 
alleviate that problem.


In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where a bird 
recently had been.





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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Paul Stenquist]

I’ve found that my birds are most disturbed by sudden movements and are more 
tolerant of noise. I try to be positioned with my hands on the camera when 
waiting for a bird shot. When the bird alights on a branch I slowly swing the 
ball head mounted camera into position.

Paul

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:53:20 -0800
> Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
>> friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
>> clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
>> open.  The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds
>> away, and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that
>> problem.
> 
> that's a real problem with the the 55-300 too. 
> 
>> In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
>> where a bird recently had been.
> 
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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Subash Jeyan]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:53:20 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:

> I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my
> friend Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a
> clear view of it from his living room with the sliding glass door
> open.  The noise of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds
> away, and a quieter focusing lens would definitely alleviate that
> problem.

that's a real problem with the the 55-300 too. 

> In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot
> where a bird recently had been.



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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Larry Colen]

It is only exceeded by my ability to take perfectly focused photos of 
microphones in front of singers.


P. J. Alling wrote on 12/12/18 3:32 PM:

I think that's a skill we all share.

On 12/12/2018 4:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where 
a bird recently had been. 





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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

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I think that's a skill we all share.

On 12/12/2018 4:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where 
a bird recently had been. 


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Re: A reason to want the 150-450

[Daniel J. Matyola]

MARK!

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:54 PM Larry Colen  wrote:


>  I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where a
> bird recently had been.
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A reason to want the 150-450

[Larry Colen]

I went to a dance event in Portland last weekend and stayed at my friend 
Phil's house.  He has a bird feeder and I was able to get a clear view 
of it from his living room with the sliding glass door open.  The noise 
of my bigma focusing would often scare the birds away, and a quieter 
focusing lens would definitely alleviate that problem.


In other news, I'm getting pretty good at photographing the spot where a 
bird recently had been.


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Re: in case you want to feel old

[P. J. Alling]

Yes and now I do feel old.


On 3/20/2018 6:53 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
yeah, those signs were everywhere in Granada, Spain, and were the 
impetus of my trip website.


I was walking around with my camera and happened on my wife in a 
street market when she was supposed to be at a seminar. She was there 
with another woman. I said, "I'm going to build a website called 'No 
Poodles.'"


My wife, being accustomed to such outbursts, let it pass, but the 
other lady looked at me like I had sprouted tentacles.


So I built a strange, impressionistic, travelogue where I wrote all 
the text using a mouse, so it was a combination of dodgy photos and 
what looked like the manic scrawls of a long-term resident of the 
psych ward.




On 3/20/18 5:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
A much more official sign similar to this appeared in France.  I was 
a no dog's allowed sign but everyone took it to mean no Poodles.   
Are all you people becoming senile?  I seem to remember it being a 
great joke somewhere, maybe the PDML...



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On 3/18/2018 12:56 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."







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> On 20 Mar 2018, at 22:54, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> yeah, those signs were everywhere in Granada, Spain, and were the impetus of 
> my trip website.
> 
> I was walking around with my camera and happened on my wife in a street 
> market when she was supposed to be at a seminar. She was there with another 
> woman. I said, "I'm going to build a website called 'No Poodles.'"
> 
> My wife, being accustomed to such outbursts, let it pass, but the other lady 
> looked at me like I had sprouted tentacles.

I hope the other woman was entirely unaware that you and your wife had met 
before*.

B

*i'm assuming you had, and that this wasn't some sort of arranged marriage you 
were going through.



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Re: in case you want to feel old

[Doug Brewer]

yeah, those signs were everywhere in Granada, Spain, and were the 
impetus of my trip website.


I was walking around with my camera and happened on my wife in a street 
market when she was supposed to be at a seminar. She was there with 
another woman. I said, "I'm going to build a website called 'No Poodles.'"


My wife, being accustomed to such outbursts, let it pass, but the other 
lady looked at me like I had sprouted tentacles.


So I built a strange, impressionistic, travelogue where I wrote all the 
text using a mouse, so it was a combination of dodgy photos and what 
looked like the manic scrawls of a long-term resident of the psych ward.




On 3/20/18 5:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
A much more official sign similar to this appeared in France.  I was a 
no dog's allowed sign but everyone took it to mean no Poodles.   Are all 
you people becoming senile?  I seem to remember it being a great joke 
somewhere, maybe the PDML...



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On 3/18/2018 12:56 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."





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A much more official sign similar to this appeared in France.  I was a 
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On 3/18/2018 12:56 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."



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Re: in case you want to feel old

[David J Brooks]

started in 2001, still cannot remember the name of the guy that raised
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My brooks in the country blog spot has suffered the last few years

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:11 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> This appears to be just before I got on the list... pretty sure I hopped on
> in 1999
> Wish I recognized the name of the guy who led me here because he bought a
> lens from me on ebay and then pointed me to the PUG
>
> ann
>
>
> On 3/20/2018 12:33 AM, John Coyle wrote:
>>
>> I recognize about half the names!  I am surprised that Valentin's list is
>> still live.
>>
>>
>> John in Brisbane
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML  On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
>> Sent: Monday, 19 March 2018 10:13 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: in case you want to feel old
>>
>> I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...
>>
>> http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html
>>
>> Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
>> http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you
>>> find out otherwise.
>>>
>>> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in
>>> 1998.
>>> It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the
>>> internet dump.
>>>
>>> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>>
>>>>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy
>>>> be
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Re: in case you want to feel old

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I found the list in ‘99 as well. I lurked for a while and probably didn’t 
> post until 2000. I came looking for M42 info.
> There were still quite a few screw heads here back then.

Still are. Just of a different ... pitch.

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I found the list in ‘99 as well. I lurked for a while and probably didn’t post 
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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:11 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> This appears to be just before I got on the list... pretty sure I hopped on 
> in 1999
> Wish I recognized the name of the guy who led me here because he bought a 
> lens from me on ebay and then pointed me to the PUG
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 3/20/2018 12:33 AM, John Coyle wrote:
>> I recognize about half the names!  I am surprised that Valentin's list is 
>> still live.
>> 
>> 
>> John in Brisbane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML  On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
>> Sent: Monday, 19 March 2018 10:13 AM
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>> Subject: Re: in case you want to feel old
>> 
>> I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...
>> 
>> http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html
>> 
>> Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
>> http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer  
>>> wrote:
>>> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you
>>> find out otherwise.
>>> 
>>> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 1998.
>>> It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the
>>> internet dump.
>>> 
>>>> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>> 
>>>>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>>> 
>>>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy
>>>> be
>>>> 
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[ann sanfedele]

This appears to be just before I got on the list... pretty sure I hopped 
on in 1999
Wish I recognized the name of the guy who led me here because he bought 
a lens from me on ebay and then pointed me to the PUG


ann

On 3/20/2018 12:33 AM, John Coyle wrote:

I recognize about half the names!  I am surprised that Valentin's list is still 
live.


John in Brisbane



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I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...

http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html

Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html


On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:

Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you
find out otherwise.

No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 1998.
It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the
internet dump.

On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:


2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."


I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy
be


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RE: in case you want to feel old

[John Coyle]

I recognize about half the names!  I am surprised that Valentin's list is still 
live.


John in Brisbane



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I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...

http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html

Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html


On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you 
> find out otherwise.
>
> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 1998.
> It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the 
> internet dump.
>
> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>
>>
>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy 
>> be
>>
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Re: in case you want to feel old

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I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...

http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html

Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html


On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you find out
> otherwise.
>
> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 1998.
> It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the internet
> dump.
>
> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>
>>
>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy be
>>
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Re: in case you want to feel old

[William Robb]

I bet I have a copy of it sitting on a hard drive someplace.

Bill

On Mar 18, 2018 5:09 PM, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:

> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you find
> out otherwise.
>
> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in
> 1998. It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the
> internet dump.
>
> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>
>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>>
>>
>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy be
>>
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Re: in case you want to feel old

[Doug Brewer]

Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you find 
out otherwise.


No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 
1998. It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to 
the internet dump.


On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:


2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."


I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy be



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Re: in case you want to feel old

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


That's not unusual when it comes to Doug, but in this case I'm with you.

Doing some research sheds absolutely no enlightenment on what Doug is 
talking about.


http://www.hownottoactold.com/2008/06/15/20-dont-own-a-poodle/

https://www.discogs.com/Sextiger-No-Poodles/release/5695434

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/hhcls-pot-noodle-ads-use-not-poodle-spoof/50561

https://www.economist.com/node/1270727

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/ferrets-rodents-sold-as-toy-poodles-argentina_n_3037094.html




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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Doug Brewer
wrote:


2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."

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Re: in case you want to feel old

[William Robb]

No Poodles is the name of my Wi-Fi network.
I loved that story.

On Mar 18, 2018 10:57 AM, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:

> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
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On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."

I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy be

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Re: in case you want to feel old

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They're a type of dog that looks a bit like a pom-pom, popular with rich old 
French women. Doug doesn't want any round here because they worry the 
cormorants. The dogs, that is, not the little old French ladies.

> On 18 Mar 2018, at 17:05, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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They're a type of dog that looks a bit like a pom-pom, popular with rich old 
French women. Doug doesn't want any round here because they worry the 
cormorants. The dogs, that is, not the little old French ladies.

> On 18 Mar 2018, at 17:05, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
> 
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."

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Re: When purchasing from Adorama, you may want to call them

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Ken,

Yes, thank you.  That was one of the places I've looked at.
Their price was a bit higher (considering shipping).

Overall, it looks like Epson cut down on the number of distributors.
E.g. Amazon doesn't sell these cartridges...
(And RedRiver was removed from the distributors as well. I ordered 
metallic paper from them, - I could've gotten the cartridges as well.)


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 Ken Waller Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:16:25 -0800 wrote:

You should have tried Atlex.com they have consistently been my go to for 
Epson inks and papers.


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You should have tried Atlex.com they have consistently been my go to for Epson 
inks and papers.


-Original Message-
>From: Igor PDML-StR 
>Subject: When purchasing from Adorama, you may want to call them
>
>
>
>I was ordering ink for my R2880, as with my holiday printing, I just 
>installed the last cartridges.
>B&H is out of stock for the sets (and even for one of the colors, which 
>is probably the culprit for the sets unavailable). So, I decided to order 
>from Adorama.
>
>While looking at different options, I got a pop-up offering the price of 
>$94.xx, so, I clicked, yes, add it. But the price in the cart turned out 
>to be $114. I was unable to reproduce that pop-up to take a screenshot.
>
>I called them on the phone, and while I was telling the story, the sales 
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>$98, including free standard shipping.
>
>This seems to be a reasonable deal, so I ordered it.
>B&H sells one for about $93, but their ETA is in January, plus several 
>days for delivery.
>
>The reason I decided to share this story is that you know that you might 
>be able to get a better price.
>
>HTH,
>
>Igor

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I was ordering ink for my R2880, as with my holiday printing, I just 
installed the last cartridges.
B&H is out of stock for the sets (and even for one of the colors, which 
is probably the culprit for the sets unavailable). So, I decided to order 
from Adorama.


While looking at different options, I got a pop-up offering the price of 
$94.xx, so, I clicked, yes, add it. But the price in the cart turned out 
to be $114. I was unable to reproduce that pop-up to take a screenshot.


I called them on the phone, and while I was telling the story, the sales 
person guessed that the cart price was $110. He said that his price is 
$98, including free standard shipping.


This seems to be a reasonable deal, so I ordered it.
B&H sells one for about $93, but their ETA is in January, plus several 
days for delivery.


The reason I decided to share this story is that you know that you might 
be able to get a better price.


HTH,

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Re: PESO not the way I want to spend the evening before driving to the track

[Paul Stenquist]

Is the engine port injected? If so, you might want to make sure the cylinder 
that lost the electrode isn’t running lean. 

Paul

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 5:01 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/24229625128/in/album-72157690075593686/
> 
> I may have dodged a bullet, compression actually still looks OK.  I'll buy 
> new plugs tomorrow and see how things go.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/24229625128/in/album-72157690075593686/

I may have dodged a bullet, compression actually still looks OK.  I'll 
buy new plugs tomorrow and see how things go.


Full set at
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Henk Terhell]

David, I followed your route and got LR 6 now. Familiar interface and no 
need for a subscription in the coming years.
And with Pentax DNG there surely won't be a problem for any Pentax K-1 
mark x.


Henk


Op 2017-10-21 om 14:27 schreef David J Brooks:

Henk, I made the leap from 4 to 6 stand alone back in November last
year, so far so good

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:49 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final
adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in Elements 9
(free copy received with my Epson scanner).
I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only some
$ 30/year.
New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 4 .
As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good idea
to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me an equal
long time.
I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and
unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard disks
for my RAW files.
Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon
outdated version of LR?

Henk

Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:



https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026

First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom.
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support
(which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop
CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates
after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available
for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two
new subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[David J Brooks]

Henk, I made the leap from 4 to 6 stand alone back in November last
year, so far so good

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:49 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final
> adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in Elements 9
> (free copy received with my Epson scanner).
> I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only some
> $ 30/year.
> New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 4 .
> As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good idea
> to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me an equal
> long time.
> I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and
> unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard disks
> for my RAW files.
> Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon
> outdated version of LR?
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
>>
>> First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom.
>> There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support
>> (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop
>> CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates
>> after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available
>> for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two
>> new subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom
>> CC.
>>
>
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Henk Terhell]

My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final 
adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in 
Elements 9 (free copy received with my Epson scanner).
I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only 
some $ 30/year.
New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 
4 .
As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good 
idea to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me 
an equal long time.
I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and 
unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard 
disks for my RAW files.
Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon 
outdated version of LR?


Henk

Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Mark C]

Ironic that Adobe shares jumped by almost 12% on the day you posted...


Larry Colen wrote:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.





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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[John]

On 10/19/2017 15:26, Mark Roberts wrote:

Rick Womer wrote:


Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.


I'm using the years-old versions I last purchased.

Mind you, Affinity Pro is a viable replacement for Photoshop. And
they're said to be working on a Lightroom competitor, too.
  



I'll keep it in mind if I ever get a Mac to replace my current Photoshop 
machine.

How much of a learning curve switching from Photoshop?

Does it support layers & masks & blend modes? What about plugins similar to Nik 
Filters?

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

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> On 19 October 2017 at 20:27 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are some very capable RAW processors, other than Lightroom.
> 
> I haven't bought a new Adobe product in quite some time and I feel 
> pretty smug about that, as  Adobe has developed all the highhandedness 
> of MIcrosoft at it's peak and the arrogance of Apple selling iProducts, 
> with features  removed to satisfy their design aesthetic whether you 
> like it or not, so you better like it.
> 
> Smaller vendors sometimes fail to support older products because they 
> simply haven't the resources, but I see little excuse for would be 
> monopolists to abuse their position and simply design systems to milk 
> the consumer, once they think their customers are locked into their system.
> 
> I don't know of anyone who complained of having slightly outdated 
> software if what they had did the job.   They bought the upgrade when 
> they needed it and if they didn't need the upgrade soldered on with what 
> they had.
> 
> I've heard stories of CC upgrades significantly changing controls.  I 
> don't know how true that is but I have had that happen with an upgrade 
> to Windows 7 it changed the shutdown behavior without telling me.   
> Which is a problem, I thought I was shutting the system down, but 
> instead it put the machine into sleep mode.  It's probably not a good 
> idea to pull the power supply, and remove a hard drive at that time, but 
> that's what I almost did.
> 
> It's annoying enough to move between major revs of a software package 
> and find features significantly changed when you expect such changes, 
> DxO optics Pro 9 changed the rendering and export options almost 
> completely from version 8 which took a lot of getting used to.  I can 
> only imagine how wonderful that would be to fire up Lightroom CC and 
> find a similar thing happening after a minor update.
> 

Almost makes you long for chemicals and a darkroom.  Almost.

> 
> 
> On 10/19/2017 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> > https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
> > 
> >
> >
> > First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
> > There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
> > support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
> > Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
> > further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
> > still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
> > there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
> > Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

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There are some very capable RAW processors, other than Lightroom.

I haven't bought a new Adobe product in quite some time and I feel 
pretty smug about that, as  Adobe has developed all the highhandedness 
of MIcrosoft at it's peak and the arrogance of Apple selling iProducts, 
with features  removed to satisfy their design aesthetic whether you 
like it or not, so you better like it.


Smaller vendors sometimes fail to support older products because they 
simply haven't the resources, but I see little excuse for would be 
monopolists to abuse their position and simply design systems to milk 
the consumer, once they think their customers are locked into their system.


I don't know of anyone who complained of having slightly outdated 
software if what they had did the job.   They bought the upgrade when 
they needed it and if they didn't need the upgrade soldered on with what 
they had.


I've heard stories of CC upgrades significantly changing controls.  I 
don't know how true that is but I have had that happen with an upgrade 
to Windows 7 it changed the shutdown behavior without telling me.   
Which is a problem, I thought I was shutting the system down, but 
instead it put the machine into sleep mode.  It's probably not a good 
idea to pull the power supply, and remove a hard drive at that time, but 
that's what I almost did.


It's annoying enough to move between major revs of a software package 
and find features significantly changed when you expect such changes, 
DxO optics Pro 9 changed the rendering and export options almost 
completely from version 8 which took a lot of getting used to.  I can 
only imagine how wonderful that would be to fire up Lightroom CC and 
find a similar thing happening after a minor update.




On 10/19/2017 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.




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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

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Rick Womer wrote:

>Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?
>
>On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>> They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.

I'm using the years-old versions I last purchased.

Mind you, Affinity Pro is a viable replacement for Photoshop. And
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[John]

On 10/19/2017 08:35, Mark Roberts wrote:

They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.
  



What are you using as an alternative?

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

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Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
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They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.
 
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[David J Brooks]

nor mine

Dave

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:49 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
>
> First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. There
> will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support (which
> is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop CC), but
> that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates after this
> year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available for an
> unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two new
> subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.
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https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026

First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.


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Re: I want that from Pentax: Nikon Portrait Prime 105mm f/1.4E Lens

[Igor PDML-StR]

Right you are!
Thanks for correcting.

When I was writing that response, my own lenses (aka eyes) were wide open 
and unfocused (dialted). I thought something was off, but didn't take a 
careful look at Boz's page on which I was checking the manufacturing 
dates.


It's the 77mm that is f/1.8.

Larry, - when I was saying I wasn't sure if Samyang lens is FF, I meant 
specifically the 85-mm one.
And I do agree, that if Pentax is unable or unwilling to invest in 
resurrection of older lenses or creating new ones, they could cooperate 
with Samyang. There is a caveat there: some lenses designed for MF might 
be hard (or even impossible) to adapt to AF without such serious 
modifications that would defeat the purpose.


Cheers,

Igor



 P.J. Alling Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:02 -0700 wrote:

Actually that would have been a FA 85mm f1.4. The 1.8 was a pre A lens. 
The Samyang 85mm f1.4 gets very good reviews and is very inexpensive 
compared to a modern autofocus f1.4 portrait lens.



On 7/27/2016 12:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




The last 85/1.8 was produced by Pentax in 2004. That's 12 years ago!
And it's 20% shorter and half a stop slower.

Samyang lenses are reportedly good, but they are not AF. (And I don't 
remember if they are FF. Not that it matters for at this time, ... until I 
got K-1).


Igor


... and the last 135 mm was produced by Pentax in 2000!

Igor



J.C. O'Connell Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:04:45 -0700 wrote:

85mm f1.8  close enuff


On 7/27/2016 10:45 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

I just received a notification  from B&H...
Something like that from Pentax would be great!

Igor

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Re: I want that from Pentax: Nikon Portrait Prime 105mm f/1.4E Lens

[P.J. Alling]

Actually that would have been a FA 85mm f1.4.  The 1.8 was a pre A 
lens.  The Samyang 85mm f1.4 gets very good reviews and is very 
inexpensive compared to a modern autofocus f1.4 portrait lens.


On 7/27/2016 12:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



The last 85/1.8 was produced by Pentax in 2004. That's 12 years ago!
And it's 20% shorter and half a stop slower.

Samyang lenses are reportedly good, but they are not AF. (And I don't 
remember if they are FF. Not that it matters for at this time, ... 
until I got K-1).


Igor


... and the last 135 mm was produced by Pentax in 2000!

Igor



 J.C. O'Connell Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:04:45 -0700 wrote:

85mm f1.8  close enuff


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I just received a notification  from B&H...
Something like that from Pentax would be great!

Igor

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Re: I want that from Pentax: Nikon Portrait Prime 105mm f/1.4E Lens

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Igor PDML-StR wrote:



The last 85/1.8 was produced by Pentax in 2004. That's 12 years ago!
And it's 20% shorter and half a stop slower.


I agree, f/1.8 is not fast enough.  I frequently need that extra 2/3 stop.



Samyang lenses are reportedly good, but they are not AF. (And I don't
remember if they are FF. Not that it matters for at this time, ... until
I got K-1).


Some Samyang are FF. I recently picked up the 24/1.4 for night 
landscapes and it is a very nice lens.  If Pentax just cherry picked the 
Samyang lineup, added autofocus and their new coatings, they could 
instantly have a great range of lenses.


Pentax also does not have an 85/1.4, 35/1.4, or unfortunately a full 
frame 50-135/2.8 which would be close to the ideal lens for a lot of my 
indoor sports work. Actually, I'd be happier with about 35-40 on the 
wide end, and would be able to give up a little on the long end and crop 
in post.




Igor


... and the last 135 mm was produced by Pentax in 2000!

Igor



J.C. O'Connell Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:04:45 -0700 wrote:

85mm f1.8 close enuff


On 7/27/2016 10:45 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

I just received a notification from B&H...
Something like that from Pentax would be great!

Igor

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