Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:29, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 
> BTW, rectilinear is a distortion, not the lack of it.  It's done to produce an
> effect which is not natural to either the human eye's vision characteristics 
> or
> to normal lens designs.

Sorry I'll have to respectfully disagree on this one. Considering that the 
captured image is to be displayed on an essentially flat output media a 
rectilinear projection is most appropriate and will provide minimal distortion. 

What it seems you are complaining about is the ultra-wide AOV? The fact is that 
anything wider than normal AOV (ei a projection that replicates our natural 
perspective of AOV at a given viewing distance) will look distorted at the 
incorrect viewing distance. Conversely a cylindrical (continuous pano) or 
spherical (fisheye) projection will be distorted at any AOV on a flat output 
media however it they appear less objectionable than a rectilinear projection 
viewed from an inappropriate distance.

http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/perspective/Wide_Angle_Perspective.html

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: E6 with JOBO

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Zaninovic"
Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO


Forget it, my wife would kill me if the whole house got the 
formaldehyde smell, I ordered D with 16-45 instead.
I would love to play with chemicals but I don't have a separate 
room to do it and doing it in the bathroom is not fun.
Formaldehyde is no longer used in film processing.
William Robb 

Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

[Paul Stenquist]

You make a lot of sense, Frank. I hadn't thought of that, but you're 
absolutely correct. Thanks for looking and commenting.
Paul
On Dec 2, 2004, at 4:46 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:56:45 -0500, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 From the park above the palisades just off Ocean and Broadway.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2926176&size=lg

Beautiful!
You know what I like?  I know it sounds silly, but I like the "hair"
on the trees on the left, and the texture of the bark of the two on
the right.  They give the shot an amount of "realism" that's needed.
I'm not sure how to properly explain it, but everything's so "perfect"
that it almost looks like something computer generated, or like
someone drew it.  Those two details take a bit of the perfection out,
to make it beautifully real.
Do I make sense?  (I fear not).
Anyway, gorgeous photo, Paul.
thanks,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:27:36 -0500, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank is going to want to borrow those ears. Thanks for the smile.
> Paul

Paul,

No need:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2928096



cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:20:18 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/rolleireindeer.jpg
> 
> OK, it's a horrible waste of resources, and is a shamelessly bad
> snapshot.
> However, that is a 110 pound Rottweiler in the picture
> 
> William Robb
> 

I'm not sure what resources are being wasted, and yes, bad snap, but
I'm not going to tell the dog that!  

Actually, it's quite funny.  And, of course, who am I to ridicule any
being who straps fake ears to their head?  

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:14 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm surprised that the PC Nazis haven't gotten hold of that name yet.
> 
> William Robb
> 

Ah, but if they tried to do anything about it, the Aboriginal PC
Police would have to jump in to prevent their heritage-appellations
from being erased!

Besides, it's all in the way you pronounce it.  

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Mark Roberts]

"Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the 
>use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
>
>What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format.  Is it 
>truely "raw", the simple captured sensor data.
>If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data 
>as though it were the original light,
>making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
>that I'd like to do on the front end.
>
>After it's converted it's not as difficult.
>
>Is this even on the right track?
>
>What I'm looking for is the ability to treat digital like film.
>At least in terms of the sequence in handling the data.

Yes, you can treat digital exactly like film: Use red, orange or
whatever filters at the time of shooting and manipulate contrast at the
time of printing.

If you want to treat digital like film but *not* use the same sequence
in handling data, like applying the filters digitally, after image
capture but before converting to monochrome you can't get exactly the
effect you could achieve with B&W film, but with enough skill and
practice you can come very close.

>And promise to never pour fixer onto a lens.

Imagine my relief! :)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Patrick Genovese]

Leon,
> In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for "Photo 
filter"

Is this feature available in Photoshop CS only ?
Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 13:17:48 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 

In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the 
use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format.  Is it truely "raw", the simple captured sensor data.
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data as though it were the original light,
making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
that I'd like to do on the front end.
   

In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for "Photo
filter".  You can add a variety of in built filters to the colour
picture and then desaturate.  This should give the effect of having
taken the image with the filter in the first place.  I haven't tried
it, but I would be interested in hearing from those who do a lot of
black and white as to how well it does work.
Leon
http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
 

Re: Filter question

[Graywolf]

Instead of two you mean?
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Re: PESO - Urban Farmer

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:53:00 -0800, Bruce Dayton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wasn't able to get this image into the PUG this month, so I'll have
> to share it this way.  This shot was taken several years ago out back
> behind the house my wife grew up in.  What makes it so interesting, is
> that this little patch of corn was right in the middle of houses and
> yet feels isolated.  You can catch a small hint of the actual location
> by noticing the bit of white car on the right.
> 
> Pentax PZ-1p, FA*85/1.4, handheld, Agfa Ultra 50:
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0041-03.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 

I like this a lot.

It's the way the scarecrow is askew and unkempt.  It's also the
contrast of the big broad grass in the foreground (did you say that's
corn?  no matter, IIRC corn's a type of grass, but I could be wrong),
and the thinnner brushie stuff behind the scarecrow.  It's the
contrast of the yellows and the browns, with a touch of green in the
background, along with the colour of the scarecrow right in the
middle.

Cool shot, only enhanced by your description.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Graywolf]

Look for a upscale model in the late spring. If they have not changed their 
plans that is.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?

Hi all,
My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about the 
next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if 
that is
the case?

I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan 
Bator show..

Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no other 
reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the 
istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a 
larger buffer and faster frame rate.
Note, this may well be completely off base.

William Robb

RE: OT: Anyone notice this?

[Don Sanderson]

I'm not sure I understood all of that, but I
believe it qualifies you for the
"PDML Weekly Big Word Award!" ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Anyone notice this?
>
>
> On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:29, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
>
> > BTW, rectilinear is a distortion, not the lack of it.  It's
> done to produce an
> > effect which is not natural to either the human eye's vision
> characteristics or
> > to normal lens designs.
>
> Sorry I'll have to respectfully disagree on this one. Considering
> that the
> captured image is to be displayed on an essentially flat output media a
> rectilinear projection is most appropriate and will provide
> minimal distortion.
>
> What it seems you are complaining about is the ultra-wide AOV?
> The fact is that
> anything wider than normal AOV (ei a projection that replicates
> our natural
> perspective of AOV at a given viewing distance) will look
> distorted at the
> incorrect viewing distance. Conversely a cylindrical (continuous pano) or
> spherical (fisheye) projection will be distorted at any AOV on a
> flat output
> media however it they appear less objectionable than a
> rectilinear projection
> viewed from an inappropriate distance.
>
> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/perspective/Wide_Angle_Pers
pective.html

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[Patrick Genovese]

I seriously doubt that there is anything that can hold a candle to the 
5n when it comes to the sheer simplicity and intuitiveness of the user 
interface. I can simply place my hands on the top plate blindfolded and 
know:

   metering mode
   drive mode
   whether the shutter speed is set to A or not
   whether I have exposure compesation dialled in (but not how much)
The only other 2 things one would need to know, namely shutter speed and 
aperture you get from the viewfinder display ( without the blindfold :-) )

The MZ-S is great and it is now my main camera but It took me some time 
to be totally confident with it after having been spoilt by the 5n.

I don't own but have handled an *Ist-D and I must say first impressions 
were extremely positive it has that "right" feel to it.  wrt to the 
ist-ds I would'nt want to switch between metering modes through a menu 
that is one control i want on a switch. 

Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The Ds has a great amount of interesting features but
its simplicity (few wheels and buttons) can make the
access to some of these features too complicated to be
really usable.
Being my current AF camera a MZ-5n, that has a
dedicated and very convenient commandment to change
between spot, multi-zone and CW metering mode, I am
worried about how does it works in the Ds and how
convenient it is to use 'in the field' (I use it a lot
in the 5n).
So, have any of you tried this in a Ds?
Thanks and regards,
Jaume
   
   
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RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Jens Bladt]

I don't know the *ist DS, just it's older s*isDer, but this would apply
nicely to the *ist D too, IMO:

"It turns on instantly. It focuses very fast and the shutter lag is
unnoticeable. Even using flash I could shoot pretty much at will"



Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:01
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com


I think you will find that most of what you read on photo.net is
pretty biased towards Nikon/Canon.
About the only things readily believable in the article is that the
guy is a slow learner and don't believe everything you read on the
net.

William Robb

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Glass"

Subject: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com


> 
>
> I read the above "user" review, and was a bit surprised at the
> comments on lag and slowness. From other things I have read about
> the *istDS, it is not so bad as this guy makes it sound. Does it
> feel as slow as this guy makes it sound? I wonder if the name
> biased him? (looking for an excuse to buy Nikon?) Now, I know that
> spec-wise and performance-wise (speed), the Nikon is better, but I
> didn't expect the Canon to out perform the Pentax, at least in a
> noticeable way. It's going to be a few months before I can get my
> hands on these beasts, but I'm dying to know. :-)

Re: PESO: ist D black and white

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:58:44 -0800, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My name is Juan and I am a Tri-X user.
> 
> Slowly, I am getting familiar with the ist D as a street camera. Today
> I went out shooting, trying to forget that it is a digital camera that
> takes color, and thinking as I usually do, in black and white.
> 
> Of all lenses, I took the FA 16-45, it seemed like a pity to let it
> gather dust while I use only primes.
> 
> All these six pictures are istD/FA16-45, taken to BW in Photoshop via
> channel mixer, using settings that try to imitate how Tri-X renders
> color tones:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/jbstreet/show/
> 

All terrific shots, IMHO!  The slideshow is pretty cool, too.

Great stuff, Juan.

cheers,
frank



-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:03:44 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html
> 
> My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share.
> 
> Dave
> 

Another reason to move to Iceland (along with the fact that Bjork lives there).

Nice link, Dave.  Thanks.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[Jens Bladt]

It does. Z-1/Z1p did too.
I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and
the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash
system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small
diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a
little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't
really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me!

Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an
auto sensivity (ISO) setting ?

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?



- Original Message -
From: "Don Sanderson"
Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?


>I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
> flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
> I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
> Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.
>
> At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
> overexposed.
> What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
> What does one do in this situation?

Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style.

William Robb

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 13:17, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

> What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format.  Is it 
> truely
> "raw", the simple captured sensor data. If it is, are there techniques in 
> place
> to allow later treatment of the data as though it were the original light,
> making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else that I'd like to
> do on the front end.

> Is this even on the right track?

I think so, though I wouldn't suggest that digital capture tools available to 
us plebs currently have the latitude of widely available B&W films but it will 
happen.

> What I'm looking for is the ability to treat digital like film.
> At least in terms of the sequence in handling the data.
> And promise to never pour fixer onto a lens.

Firstly in RAW conversion you'd need to emulate the particular film by setting 
up a parameters on the RAW conversion utility that mimicked the sensitivity and 
gamma of the film so that any colour would be represented at a luminance level 
similar to that rendered on film.

Then once in PS you could apply the equivalent colour filter then desaturate 
the image.

I haven't tried this myself but I've been utilizing some techniques that seem 
to work quite well to produce pleasing B&W images, now I just have to find a 
decent method to print them.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO: Damp fall morning

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:41:36 -0500, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After a week of rain every day what did we do?  You guessed it, we went
> camping...
> 
> We must have been living right because after it rained on us setting up on
> Friday night (in the dark), it was pretty nice the rest of our stay and
> rained like heck driving home :)
> 
> Anyway, here's the fruit of my morning stroll around the lake.  The black
> smudge in the lower left is my poor attempt at PSing out the hair that was
> on my sensor. I'll probably try that again but I'm done with it for now.
> With the dust on the lens and the hair on the sensor, the others I took with
> longer shutter speeds and higher Fstops were just crap.  Pity too because it
> got really nice there once the sun was coming up.
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/b/cbwaters/Lake%20Altoona%20in%20Fall.jpg
> 
> Cory
> Drooling over this:
>  http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/photos-l/atx828afpro.jpg
> 
> And this:
> http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/01812211990001LRG.jpg
> 
> Santa?  I'm being REALLY nice today...I promise.

A bit late, but...

Love the lake photo.  It's got a great, dismal mood to it, if ya know
what I mean.  Love the inclusion of the bit of curved shoreline at the
bottom - great touch.

As for the lens, well, it is pretty, but I don't think I could use it
for street shooting (unless I'm ~across~ the street ).

And the car - yeah, well, I'll take a Mister 2 any time, although I
have to admit, my heart's still with Miata.  Why not a Caterham Super
Seven?  I bet it'd knock the socks off of anything that's been
mentioned in this thread so far, and not cost a lot more (but I
haven't checked lately).

cheers,
frank
-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: My *ist-DS and SMCP-DA 18-55mm just arrived...

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:14:59 -0500 (EST), Fred Widall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My *ist-DS and SMCP-DA 18-55mm just arrived... whopppe.
> Xmas came early this year.
> 
> First impressions, feels quite heavy and solidly built, large handgrip
> feels good. Controls appear to be pretty straight forward - a
> mix of my MZ-7 and Optio 33L. I'll browse the manual tonight, then
> we'll be off and shooting.
> 
> Just in time for my new grandchild who's due to make his/her arrival
> this weekend. I'll have to thank them for holding on until after the
> camera arrived :)

Congrats!  And, just in time for Christmas, too (not to mention the
grandchild...).

Look forward to much postage of baby piccies.  

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 16:22, William Robb wrote:

> I think that they are shooting at much higher shutter speeds these 
> days, but NTSC lockes them into a frame rate. I have noticed for 
> quite some times that sports broadcasts tend to have a rather 
> unpleasant jumpiness about them.
> It has pretty much destroyed any interest I may have had in televised 
> sports, which wasn't all that much in the first place.

This seems to be a new trend, they use fast shutters so that they can use 
single frame grabs or slow down the action and retain clarity, it can look 
really jerky.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[Don Sanderson]

Jens, have you tried this in Manual mode with
an M lens on the D?
I'll look around in the setup and see what I can find.
I saw NO exposure difference over 5 stops!

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
>
>
> It does. Z-1/Z1p did too.
> I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and
> the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash
> system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small
> diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a
> little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't
> really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me!
>
> Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an
> auto sensivity (ISO) setting ?
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Don Sanderson"
> Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
>
>
> >I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
> > flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
> > I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
> > Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.
> >
> > At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
> > overexposed.
> > What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
> > What does one do in this situation?
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style.
>
> William Robb
>
>
>

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Tim Sherburne]

Geez, that's old news. :)



Would've been nice though.

t

On 12/2/04 15:30, Patrick Genovese wrote:

> Would dreaming of the MZ-D be too much to wish for from Pentax ?
> 
> Just think about it.  The MZ-S' ergonomics with updated electronics most
> of the suff from the *IST-D bigger buffer faster frame rate & better AF
> & finder...
> 
> Maybe we'll get luck who knows !
> 
> Patrick
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
>> Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
>>> 
>>> I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about
>>> the next
>>> Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
>>> upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if
>>> that is
>>> the case?
>> 
>> 
>> I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan
>> Bator show..
>> 
>> Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no
>> other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
>> My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the
>> istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a
>> larger buffer and faster frame rate.
>> Note, this may well be completely off base.
>> 
>> William Robb
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Tim Sherburne]

Here's the first press release about it:



t

On 12/2/04 15:50, Tim Sherburne wrote:

> 
> Geez, that's old news. :)
> 
> 
> 
> Would've been nice though.
> 
> t
> 
> On 12/2/04 15:30, Patrick Genovese wrote:
> 
>> Would dreaming of the MZ-D be too much to wish for from Pentax ?
>> 
>> Just think about it.  The MZ-S' ergonomics with updated electronics most
>> of the suff from the *IST-D bigger buffer faster frame rate & better AF
>> & finder...
>> 
>> Maybe we'll get luck who knows !
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
>>> Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
 
 I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about
 the next
 Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
 upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if
 that is
 the case?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan
>>> Bator show..
>>> 
>>> Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no
>>> other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
>>> My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the
>>> istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a
>>> larger buffer and faster frame rate.
>>> Note, this may well be completely off base.
>>> 
>>> William Robb
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Mark Roberts]

Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Geez, that's old news. :)
>
>
>
>Would've been nice though.

Still would be with a different sensor...
:)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: E6 with JOBO

[John Francis]

William Robb mused:
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Zaninovic"
> Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO
> 
> 
> > You may be right... I just ordered D with the 16-45 for around 
> > $1350 after rebate.  It will pay for itself after one year in film
> > and processing savings.  I will also shoot more as I don't have to 
> > conserve film.
> 
> And as long as you are happy giving up slides
> 
> One of the things I find baffling is the concept that a digital image 
> can replace a transparency.
> They are a totally different beast, not only in technology, but also 
> in concept.
> 
> I can understand a digital SLR replacing negative film, since the 
> concept is similar, they use a different technology, but the end use 
> is to make a print.

I'd bet that for the majority of slides shot over the last decade the
prime use is to make a digital scanned image.  A digital image capture
device removes two steps from the process (developing and scanning),
not to mention eliminating the need for expensive one-use materials.

RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[Don Sanderson]

Just to make sure it wasn't lack of caffiene this
morning, I tried this again.

This time at f8/150th, ISO 400, 10ft (3 Meter) distance.
Built in flash, Manual mode, f8 set via aperture ring.

The histogram at -3.0 EC is virtually identical to the
one at +3.0 EC.
Wierd!

Don


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
>
>
> Jens, have you tried this in Manual mode with
> an M lens on the D?
> I'll look around in the setup and see what I can find.
> I saw NO exposure difference over 5 stops!
>
> Don
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
> >
> >
> > It does. Z-1/Z1p did too.
> > I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the
> TTL-flash and
> > the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash
> > system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small
> > diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over
> exposes just a
> > little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO.
> So I can't
> > really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me!
> >
> > Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an
> > auto sensivity (ISO) setting ?
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> >
> >
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11
> > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Don Sanderson"
> > Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
> >
> >
> > >I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
> > > flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
> > > I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
> > > Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.
> > >
> > > At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
> > > overexposed.
> > > What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
> > > What does one do in this situation?
> >
> > Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Enabled.... hmmm

[Mishka]

i'd easily pay a few times that. but they are really hard to get by.
the last one i saw
on ebay went for >$1500, iirc.
so, yeah, you guys are disgrace to the human race! i only wish i could
join you there :)
best,
mishka


On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 13:48:33 +0100 (CET), Frank Wajer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mishka,
> 
> you'll hate me even more, I found one for EUR 295, :-)))
> This lens is really difficult to find, and I couldn't believe it when I saw 
> one for sale, grabbed it immediately of course, and I'll never ever let go.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> >i hate you too.
> 
> > mishka
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:05:52 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The A*135 1.8 is even larger, but I couldn´t resist at the price of NOK
> > 3500 (a little more than US $500).
> 
>

RE: OT - interesting book on ebay...

[Nick Clark]

I'd second that thought for those of us reading the messages offline on the 
train on a PDA (as now) or laptop. Is it worth saving the message to use the 
link later, or delete it and never know what we're missing. I generally take 
the latter route thinking life's too short, but then wonder about the 
subsequent conversation (what's a nED?).

Nick

-Original Message-
From: "Shel Belinkoff"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 01/12/04 18:41:50
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: OT - interesting book on ebay...

Here's a suggestion for those posting URL's to which they want to send
people:  how about including some information in the message that provides
some idea about what's to be found.  For example, Ann, you could have
mentioned the name of the book or the author and asked if the spelling was
correct as well as including the URL.  Might save some folks some time and
$$.  I'm not picking on you specifically ... this has been a sore point for
me for some time: someone posts a URL with the comment "interesting." and
that's it.  So folks, how's about fleshing out these messages with links in
them with a little more info?
 

Re: A Shore shot

[Kenneth Waller]

Hi Cory
Not in Jersey anymore
In Michigan...

Kenneth Waller
- Original Message - 
From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: A Shore shot


> M home
> 
> Cory
> not in Michigan anymore
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:41 PM
> Subject: PAW: A Shore shot
> 
> 
> > Please check out
> > 
> > http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> > 
> > PZ1-P, 70-210mm F, Velvia @ 50.
> > 
> > Comment: Yea, Nay or otherwise.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for looking & commenting.
> > 
> > 
> > Kenneth Waller
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004
> 

RE: enabled twice over!

[Amita Guha]

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> I only saw four 
> or five pics, and while  I do think some may have been better 
> suited to a rectilinear lens, clearly Amita was experimenting 
> a bit (674 pics seems to indicate that), 

No no no, those photos weren't mine, they were other people's photos. 
And yes, I do intend to experiment a lot with it. I also want to use it as a
plain wide angle lens; people online say that the photos are sharp even
after de-fishing. And I am planning on using it on film bodies, not just the
istD. I liked the DA 14mm a lot but I only want to buy full-frame lenses, so
this lens solves a couple of issues for me.

Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

[Kenneth Waller]

Jens
sorry to hear of your problems with the Stylus Photo. I've had one  since
around 97 and have done thousands of prints with it and it still keeps
chugging along. Paid around $300 USD for it, a complete ink change runs me
about
$35 USD.

One thing I learned along the way was to always shut it off using the on/off
switch - never simple unplug or switch off power to it. Mime sits for weeks
on end with out usage and then I use the heck out of it. I just finished a
calendar run using almost 400 4 X 6" prints from it.

I also have an Epson 2000P and have sold alot of prints from it.

For my money Epson is the one to beat for great home color printing.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


> Epson Stylus Photo, that's all. No other names or numbers. It's so old,
it's
> not on the support list anymore. The newest driver is for Windows 98. Even
> when it was new, some retailers didn't know about it. It was actually the
> top model at one stage. I admit to not having used it much. When I got it,
> photo realistic paper was app. 1,25 USD for every A4 sheet. One set of ink
> cartrigdes was almost 100 USD. So, most of the time it was just sitting on
> the desk and occasionally used for B&W prints. A shame, really. Now it's
> useless. It represents the worst 700 USD I ever spent. This money would
have
> been better spent on a one week holiday in Greece! Or a used MZ-S with a
> battery grip! Or ...
> Maybe I will consider getting a Canon.
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 2. december 2004 02:04
> Til: Pentax Discuss
> Emne: Fw: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Schneider" <
> Subject: Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>
>
> > He doesnt say what printer, I believe you can do that with some of
> > the newer Epsons. With the older printers if you put in a partially
> > used cart it will work but the iink monitor will read full so you
> > got to be pretty carefull abt running empty. that can ruin a
> > printhead, for the price of a cartrige it may not worth the risk.
> >
> > William Robb wrote:
> >
> >> any ideas oh Great Fount of Knowledge?
> >> b...
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:53 AM
> >> Subject: OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
> >>> My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and put
> >>> it in
> >>> again. The printer will not accept it (I haven't tried, though).
> >>>
> >>> Is there a trick I can perform to make the printer accept it a
> >>> second time,
> >>> afterall???
> >>>
> >>> I have just installed a cleaning cartridge (black), since there's
> >>> a lot of
> >>> banding in my prints. I haven't used my printer for quite some
> >>> time, but to
> >>> my surprise the print actuelly look nice, after installing new
> >>> ink
> >>> cartidges, except for the banding in the black areas. So, I want
> >>> to
> >>> re-install the "old" black ink after the cleaning the black part
> >>> of the
> >>> printer head.
> >>> Jens Bladt
> >>>
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: E6 with JOBO

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis"
Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO


I'd bet that for the majority of slides shot over the last decade 
the
prime use is to make a digital scanned image.  A digital image 
capture
device removes two steps from the process (developing and 
scanning),
not to mention eliminating the need for expensive one-use 
materials.

I expect you are right, but I also have heard that it is easier to 
get good quality scans from negative film.

William Robb 

Re: OT: attn Canadians Word Wars on CBC News World December 5 & 10!]

[ernreed2]

Quoting Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> My favorite part, is, of course, when the run the
> credits :) - but in the TV
> version they go too fast

that's why somebody created VCRs ...

ERN

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[ernreed2]

Quoting Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> My feeling all along and after handling a DS in the store yesterday is
> that those who are happy with something less than the MZ-5n, will be
> happy with the DS.  Basically people who are going to leave it on one
> of the program modes and not change much of anything very often.
> Those who like the handling of the MZ-5n and up (PZ-1p, MZ-S, etc)
> will be much happier with the *istD as it has the settings that would
> be changed most often on dedicated switches and buttons.

So is it more of a "digital ZX-10" then, with the *istD being more of 
a "digital PZ-1"?

(in a general sense of course)

ERNR

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Well, there's always the Pentax MX, various K-series cameras, the Leica ...
Of course, these cameras don't have modes  perhaps that's why they're
so simple and intuitive.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Patrick Genovese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I seriously doubt that there is anything that can hold a candle to the 
> 5n when it comes to the sheer simplicity and intuitiveness of the user 
> interface. I can simply place my hands on the top plate blindfolded and 
> know:

Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi,

I've looked at this several times and apart from it doing nothing to move
me, or interest me - it looks like a million other similar shots seen in
tourist brochures - I realized that my biggest objection is the moon.  It
has no detail.  Just seeing a big, white, overexposed disk in the sky takes
away from any mood the photo may have had. You've shown a lot of work
that's much better.

I think Bruce mentioned dust spots on your sensor  I counted about six
or so.  I don't believe the spots in the posted image are dust spots on
your lens.

Shel 

> > This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.
> > 
> > http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=3
> > 
> > shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.
> > 
> > Comments always appreciated.

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Powell Hargrave]

At 10:17 AM 02/12/2004 , C. Brendemuehl wrote:
>
>In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with 
>the use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
>
>What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format.  Is it 
>truely "raw", the simple captured sensor data.
>If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data 
>as though it were the original light,
>making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
>that I'd like to do on the front end.

You can emulate colour filters in PhotoShop.  One filter effect that can
not be done in PhotoShop is a polarising filter.

There is an action, think it comes with PhotoShop, "Custom RGB to
Greyscale" which used "Channel Mixer" interactively to change the colour
response curved.
Great for bringing out a differentiation between a middle red and a middle
blue.

Powell

Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

[Herb Chong]

they do lots of computer processing. there are delays now to precent the
wardrobe malfunction, etc.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone notice this?


> I think that they are shooting at much higher shutter speeds these
> days, but NTSC lockes them into a frame rate. I have noticed for
> quite some times that sports broadcasts tend to have a rather
> unpleasant jumpiness about them.
> It has pretty much destroyed any interest I may have had in televised
> sports, which wasn't all that much in the first place.

Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

[William Robb]

Good score tonight.
A girl I work with has a bunch of darkroom stuff that belonged to a 
friend's grandmother that she wants to unload.
A lot of the stuff was deja vu all over agian, with stuff that I 
hadn't seen in over 3 decades, however there were some interesting 
items.
A whole stack of 300x300mm acetate filters, ranging from 10R, G, B up 
to 40 R, G, B.
No Idea what the old girl bought them for, I suspect neither did she, 
as only one has been opened.
I'm thinking they might be funky for making pretty coloured 
backgrounds in the studio.
She has a slide duplicator with a Honewell Repronar camera body. It 
looks like a black Spotmatic with a waist level finder, and is my 
excuse for not labelling this post off topic.
I am pretty sure the duplicator is a Honeywell.
The shutter is stuck on the camera. I tried to fire it an it opened 
and parly closed.
It looks to have one shutter speed + B.
Other than the stuck shutter, it looks good, the camera is 
cosmetically close to mint.
Lots of trays and the like, stuff that I will give a home to, though 
probably use for starting my bedding plants in.
A large hot air RC print dryer, looks like it will do a 20 inch wide 
print.
And, the most amazing find is a 1970s issue (the baby blue series) 
Beseler 45 enlarger with both a condensor head and (get this!!) a 
dichroic head with a PM-2 anylizer and a blower, I presume for 
cooling thr head.
She also has an item which looks way too cool for words (JCO eat your 
heart out), a Beseler 4x5 negaflat carrier.
The stuff is absolutely cherry. Looks brand new.

She's talking a couple of hundred dollars for the whole lot!
I almost peed myself.
Anyway, I pick it all up on Sunday.
Now I just have to clear out a space in the basement to store it all 
until I build me new darkroom.

Sorry Tom, I think the 4x5 will have to wait.
William Robb

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?


Well, there's always the Pentax MX, various K-series cameras, the 
Leica ...
Of course, these cameras don't have modes  perhaps that's why 
they're
so simple and intuitive.
I always liked poor man's matrix metering mode.
Camera down for prints, up for slides
William Robb 

Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?


> I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the 
> TTL-flash and
the *ist D.
Shot within 20 seconds or so of each other..
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/PDMLtemp/
This is typical of how Pentax TTL flash exposure works for me. You 
will note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures.

William Robb 

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[Bruce Dayton]

I have had ZX-10's -  it is more capable than those.  Almost like a
film *ist, except that the film *ist has most of the dedicated
switches.  Probably a ZX-7.  Electronically it can do most things
(metering modes, continuous AF, wireless flash, etc), but must use
menus to select all those things rather than having the switches
readily available.

The *istD is much like the PZ-1p.  So, I'll say it again, those who
want to control the settings on the camera on a regular basis, will
like the D, those who want mostly the automation to handle things will
be ok with the DS.  If you are happy using a ZX-7, then the DS will
make you happy.  If you get frustrated using the ZX-7, you will get
frustrated using the DS and should get the D.

When Canon came out with the Rebel D, they stripped quite a bit to
leave an obvious difference between it and the 10D.  When Nikon came
out with the D70, it was in many ways a better camera than the D100.
So much so, that nobody would buy a D100 over the D70.  In Pentax's
case, the didn't strip as much as the RebelD, but didn't make it so
close to the *istD, that one cannot tell them apart and more advanced
users will still prefer the *istD.


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, December 2, 2004, 5:49:08 PM, you wrote:

etn> Quoting Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> My feeling all along and after handling a DS in the store yesterday is
>> that those who are happy with something less than the MZ-5n, will be
>> happy with the DS.  Basically people who are going to leave it on one
>> of the program modes and not change much of anything very often.
>> Those who like the handling of the MZ-5n and up (PZ-1p, MZ-S, etc)
>> will be much happier with the *istD as it has the settings that would
>> be changed most often on dedicated switches and buttons.

etn> So is it more of a "digital ZX-10" then, with the *istD being more of
etn> a "digital PZ-1"?

etn> (in a general sense of course)

etn> ERNR

Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

[Paul Sorenson]

I have to put my 2 cents worth in praise of Epson's printers.  Until 
recently I was using an 880 that I bought a couple years ago for less than 
100USD.  It's held up admirably for both text and photos with just a little 
cleaning maintenance and is still running off a print server as a network 
printer.  When I saw the quality of the new R800 I was forced (enabled) to 
buy one.  I'm convinced that unless you need (desire) a wide carriage for 
prints larger than 8.5" wide you won't find another make and model that will 
do a better job printing photos.

   -P
- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


Jens
sorry to hear of your problems with the Stylus Photo. I've had one  since
around 97 and have done thousands of prints with it and it still keeps
chugging along. Paid around $300 USD for it, a complete ink change runs me
about
$35 USD.
One thing I learned along the way was to always shut it off using the 
on/off
switch - never simple unplug or switch off power to it. Mime sits for 
weeks
on end with out usage and then I use the heck out of it. I just finished a
calendar run using almost 400 4 X 6" prints from it.

I also have an Epson 2000P and have sold alot of prints from it.
For my money Epson is the one to beat for great home color printing.
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

Epson Stylus Photo, that's all. No other names or numbers. It's so old,
it's
not on the support list anymore. The newest driver is for Windows 98. 
Even
when it was new, some retailers didn't know about it. It was actually the
top model at one stage. I admit to not having used it much. When I got 
it,
photo realistic paper was app. 1,25 USD for every A4 sheet. One set of 
ink
cartrigdes was almost 100 USD. So, most of the time it was just sitting 
on
the desk and occasionally used for B&W prints. A shame, really. Now it's
useless. It represents the worst 700 USD I ever spent. This money would
have
been better spent on a one week holiday in Greece! Or a used MZ-S with a
battery grip! Or ...
Maybe I will consider getting a Canon.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 02:04
Til: Pentax Discuss
Emne: Fw: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Schneider" <
Subject: Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
> He doesnt say what printer, I believe you can do that with some of
> the newer Epsons. With the older printers if you put in a partially
> used cart it will work but the iink monitor will read full so you
> got to be pretty carefull abt running empty. that can ruin a
> printhead, for the price of a cartrige it may not worth the risk.
>
> William Robb wrote:
>
>> any ideas oh Great Fount of Knowledge?
>> b...
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:53 AM
>> Subject: OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>>
>>
>>> Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
>>> My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and put
>>> it in
>>> again. The printer will not accept it (I haven't tried, though).
>>>
>>> Is there a trick I can perform to make the printer accept it a
>>> second time,
>>> afterall???
>>>
>>> I have just installed a cleaning cartridge (black), since there's
>>> a lot of
>>> banding in my prints. I haven't used my printer for quite some
>>> time, but to
>>> my surprise the print actuelly look nice, after installing new
>>> ink
>>> cartidges, except for the banding in the black areas. So, I want
>>> to
>>> re-install the "old" black ink after the cleaning the black part
>>> of the
>>> printer head.
>>> Jens Bladt
>>>
>
>

Re: E6 with JOBO

[John Francis]

William Robb mused:
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis"
> Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > I'd bet that for the majority of slides shot over the last decade 
> > the
> > prime use is to make a digital scanned image.  A digital image 
> > capture
> > device removes two steps from the process (developing and 
> > scanning),
> > not to mention eliminating the need for expensive one-use 
> > materials.
> >
> 
> I expect you are right, but I also have heard that it is easier to 
> get good quality scans from negative film.
> 
> William Robb 

That wasn't my experience.  With entry-level equipment there
can be problems with scanning some slide films (Velvia is
the prime example).  And, of course, colour negative film
is a little more forgiving on exposure latitude.  But most
folks who sell their shots have something better than the
cheapest scanners, and know how to get the exposure right.
Once I got a better scanner I switched to Provia 100F (from
Kodak Supra 100) for improved colour fidelity & less grain.

Plus, of course, the publishing world had pretty much been
insisting on slides for pre-press for some years, and most
of the time those slides went straight into a scanner.
That market, needless to say, is now almost entirely digital.

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[John Francis]

Mark Roberts mused:
> 
> Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Geez, that's old news. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >Would've been nice though.
> 
> Still would be with a different sensor...
> :)

And lenses with aperture rings ...

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Straight ahead for B&W 

I didn't realize these were modes.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?
>
>
> > Well, there's always the Pentax MX, various K-series cameras, the 
> > Leica ...
> > Of course, these cameras don't have modes  perhaps that's why 
> > they're so simple and intuitive.
>
> I always liked poor man's matrix metering mode.
> Camera down for prints, up for slides
>
> William Robb 
>

RE: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

[Shel Belinkoff]

That's some cool sh!t, Bill. I recall using some of that gear way back when
I was just learning modes ;-))  Had A Beseler 45MCRX (I believe that was
the model number) set up for wall projection.  We'd play "Blowup" every now
and then 

Anyway, congrats on the purchase.  I really do hope you get around to
setting up a nice darkroom.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Good score tonight.
> A girl I work with has a bunch of darkroom stuff that belonged to a 
> friend's grandmother that she wants to unload.
> A lot of the stuff was deja vu all over agian, with stuff that I 
> hadn't seen in over 3 decades, however there were some interesting 
> items.
> A whole stack of 300x300mm acetate filters, ranging from 10R, G, B up 
> to 40 R, G, B.
> No Idea what the old girl bought them for, I suspect neither did she, 
> as only one has been opened.
> I'm thinking they might be funky for making pretty coloured 
> backgrounds in the studio.
> She has a slide duplicator with a Honewell Repronar camera body. It 
> looks like a black Spotmatic with a waist level finder, and is my 
> excuse for not labelling this post off topic.
> I am pretty sure the duplicator is a Honeywell.
> The shutter is stuck on the camera. I tried to fire it an it opened 
> and parly closed.
> It looks to have one shutter speed + B.
> Other than the stuck shutter, it looks good, the camera is 
> cosmetically close to mint.
> Lots of trays and the like, stuff that I will give a home to, though 
> probably use for starting my bedding plants in.
> A large hot air RC print dryer, looks like it will do a 20 inch wide 
> print.
> And, the most amazing find is a 1970s issue (the baby blue series) 
> Beseler 45 enlarger with both a condensor head and (get this!!) a 
> dichroic head with a PM-2 anylizer and a blower, I presume for 
> cooling thr head.
> She also has an item which looks way too cool for words (JCO eat your 
> heart out), a Beseler 4x5 negaflat carrier.
> The stuff is absolutely cherry. Looks brand new.
>
> She's talking a couple of hundred dollars for the whole lot!
> I almost peed myself.
> Anyway, I pick it all up on Sunday.
> Now I just have to clear out a space in the basement to store it all 
> until I build me new darkroom.
>
> Sorry Tom, I think the 4x5 will have to wait.
>
> William Robb
>

Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Paul,

Since so many are piping up for Epson, I guess I better add to the
naysayers.  I have had Canons, Epsons and HPs for photo quality
printing.  I owned three different Epsons.  What I will say positive
about them is that the expensive ones seem to do quite well.  My first
was fairly expensive.  It still may be running with the present owner.
My next two were the cheap ones - those are not worth buying.  Even
with consistent reasonable use, I had head clogs galore - on both of
them.  So I would say that if you are willing to pay at least $300 for
the printer, Epsons are very good, but their cheaper stuff is junk in
my book.

My Canon experience was pretty good overall and my HP experience has
been similar.  I currently have an HP 7960 and frankly can't tell the
difference in output quality between it and the various Epsons that I
have seen.  I do believe that the design of both Canon and HP allowing
easy user replacement of the heads is way better for the user.  The
Epson way is a good way to piss off customers and make some upfront
money on service and replacement of the printers.  Ultimately they
lost me as a customer.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, December 2, 2004, 6:47:58 PM, you wrote:

PS> I have to put my 2 cents worth in praise of Epson's printers. Until
PS> recently I was using an 880 that I bought a couple years ago for less than
PS> 100USD.  It's held up admirably for both text and photos with just a little
PS> cleaning maintenance and is still running off a print server as a network
PS> printer.  When I saw the quality of the new R800 I was forced (enabled) to
PS> buy one.  I'm convinced that unless you need (desire) a wide carriage for
PS> prints larger than 8.5" wide you won't find another make and model that will
PS> do a better job printing photos.

PS> -P

PS> - Original Message - 
PS> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PS> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PS> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:54 PM
PS> Subject: Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


>> Jens
>> sorry to hear of your problems with the Stylus Photo. I've had one  since
>> around 97 and have done thousands of prints with it and it still keeps
>> chugging along. Paid around $300 USD for it, a complete ink change runs me
>> about
>> $35 USD.
>>
>> One thing I learned along the way was to always shut it off using the
>> on/off
>> switch - never simple unplug or switch off power to it. Mime sits for
>> weeks
>> on end with out usage and then I use the heck out of it. I just finished a
>> calendar run using almost 400 4 X 6" prints from it.
>>
>> I also have an Epson 2000P and have sold alot of prints from it.
>>
>> For my money Epson is the one to beat for great home color printing.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:19 PM
>> Subject: RE: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>>
>>
>>> Epson Stylus Photo, that's all. No other names or numbers. It's so old,
>> it's
>>> not on the support list anymore. The newest driver is for Windows 98.
>>> Even
>>> when it was new, some retailers didn't know about it. It was actually the
>>> top model at one stage. I admit to not having used it much. When I got
>>> it,
>>> photo realistic paper was app. 1,25 USD for every A4 sheet. One set of
>>> ink
>>> cartrigdes was almost 100 USD. So, most of the time it was just sitting
>>> on
>>> the desk and occasionally used for B&W prints. A shame, really. Now it's
>>> useless. It represents the worst 700 USD I ever spent. This money would
>> have
>>> been better spent on a one week holiday in Greece! Or a used MZ-S with a
>>> battery grip! Or ...
>>> Maybe I will consider getting a Canon.
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>>>
>>>
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sendt: 2. december 2004 02:04
>>> Til: Pentax Discuss
>>> Emne: Fw: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Brian Schneider" <
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>>>
>>>
>>> > He doesnt say what printer, I believe you can do that with some of
>>> > the newer Epsons. With the older printers if you put in a partially
>>> > used cart it will work but the iink monitor will read full so you
>>> > got to be pretty carefull abt running empty. that can ruin a
>>> > printhead, for the price of a cartrige it may not worth the risk.
>>> >
>>> > William Robb wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> any ideas oh Great Fount of Knowledge?
>>> >> b...
>>> >>
>>> >> - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt"
>>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:53 AM
>>> >> Subject: OT: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hello, this is a question for the great PDML knowledge bank:
>>> >>> My Epson user guide says I can't take out an ink cartidge and pu

Re: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: RE: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition


 I really do hope you get around to
setting up a nice darkroom.
I am really downsizing the amount of space I am giving over to the 
darkroom. I am hopefully going to fit it into a 5" 8" x 9' 6" (inside 
dimension) space. I haven't sketched anything out yet, and have no 
idea if I can manage what I want in that little real estate, but I am 
pretty hopefull.
I have decided that I deserve a sauna, but, unfortunately, I have to 
compromise my darkroom space a bit to fit it in.
Or else, I have to shrink my wine cellar, which I don't think is 
feasable.

On a side note:
MY HOUSE IS DONE!
Or at least the part I contracted for is done.
William Robb

Re: PAW missed the PUG deadline

[frank theriault]

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:54:30 -0800, Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> comments and critiques welcome
> www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/bird-splash.html
> 
> Francis
> 

I think it's sort of fun.

There's something about the bird's body position, the way he's looking
at the wave, that strikes me as funny.  I don't know if it's bravado
("What, is that the best you can do?") or fear ("Uh-oh, what do I do
next?"), but I like it.

cheers,
frank (commenting very late, I know)


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

[Rob Studdert]

On 30 Nov 2004 at 16:58, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Now I am going to have to do a little experimenting.  I'll let you
> know of my findings.  One thing I do recall is that the D-Lab prints
> at 400 dpi rather than the common 300 dpi of the Frontiers.

Hi Bruce,

I tried to send you an email off list yesterday but unfortunately I got the big 
bounce, the essence of which was:

I have produced a test image based on a 1:1 crop of a *ist D image processed in 
PS CS RAW with minimal sharpening at an output res of 4096x2734 px. It also 
contains a matrix of the crop sharpened with various settings plus a reference 
image and MacBeth colour checker reference.

I sent it to my printer and they are pumping out a series of prints for me at 
no cost with and without borders at 12x8 and 18x12 on gloss and matt papers, I 
should have the results by Monday I guess. The print using PS and the machine 
isn't set up any special way however it's a bit of black box to the lab it 
seems. In any case they were impressed with the test image and it may have 
enlightened them a little, apparently one print is pretty scrappy after being 
passed around to all the staff :-)

If you (or anyone else) would like a copy please let me know, it's about 4.5MB.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: I'm back

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:19:50 +1300, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As expected I was away for longer than I expected (sorry if that's
> confusing).  We were only moving across town but it's still been pretty
> hectic and I'm totally exhausted.
> 
> I didn't know on Friday that the phone wasn't being connected here
> until Monday!  Not that it matters; I only got the computers set up
> today anyway.
> 
> So far there are no losses or breakages.  Fingers crossed... there's
> still a lot of unpacking to do!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Dave (yeah I know I've missed two PAWs in a row)
> 
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

You'll just have to double up on those PAW's to make up then, won't
you!!  Get cracking!  

Glad to hear you're (mostly) all moved in.  I hate moving, personally.
 I'll be you're glad it's (almost) over.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 08:53:58 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named 
> > country in the world.
> > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named
> 
> Named by the same people, right?

The way I heard it, which might be urban legend, was that Eric the Red
(IIRC) "discovered" both (from a Euro-centric POV) and named Iceland
and Greenland the opposite of what they "really were" to dissuade other
Europeans from going after Iceland.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:19:54 -0800, Tim Sherburne wrote:

> I don't have experience with those other models, but changing the metering
> mode on the MZ-S rocks. One knob right on the top. In fact, the placement of
> the knob makes it almost too easy: I've accidentally bumped it into another
> mode a couple of times.

I'm with you on both points, Tim.  I actually wish it was a little
harder to change the "single frame/continuous/timer" mode because I've
accidentally bumped that button, too.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> It's terrible.  Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
> conversion.

How does desaturating the image compare to converting to CIE*Lab format
and taking only the Luminance channel?

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

[Graywolf]

Glad for you, Bill.
Waiting seems to be what 4x5 has to do. It is waiting around here too, but it is 
my health it is waiting upon.

Speaking of my health, for those who may be interested (can't imagine why), they 
have finally come up with a theory. See my latest journal entry for more.
http://www.journal.graywolfphoto.com/fall-04.html#120104

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
William Robb wrote:
Sorry Tom, I think the 4x5 will have to wait.

Re: Christmas Project

[Chris Brogden]

?  I think I missed something here.  I don't own a 15mm, though I'm
always happy to try out equipment other people want to send me.  :)

Chris


On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:32:58 +0100, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, you are quite advenurous. Aren't you afraid of them - ehm -
> "marking" your 15mm as birds usually do?
> 
> Good luck with it. You might try to build a soundproof box for it.
> Something like what is used on movie locations for stills and can
> completely silence even the LX's motordrive blazing at full 5 fps
> 
> Fra
> 
>

Re: Christmas Project

[Chris Brogden]

Er... scratch that.  I'm an idiot.

Chris


On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:01:36 -0600, Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ?  I think I missed something here.  I don't own a 15mm, though I'm
> always happy to try out equipment other people want to send me.  :)
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:32:58 +0100, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Oh, you are quite advenurous. Aren't you afraid of them - ehm -
> > "marking" your 15mm as birds usually do?
> >
> > Good luck with it. You might try to build a soundproof box for it.
> > Something like what is used on movie locations for stills and can
> > completely silence even the LX's motordrive blazing at full 5 fps
> >
> > Fra
> >
> >
>

Re: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

[Graywolf]

Put the sauna in the back yard. That is where my grandfather had it. Had a big 
(compared to me, I was ten or eleven when he died) wooden barrel to take a dip 
in after the sauna. You had to break the ice first in the winter (Finns are crazy).

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: RE: Darkroom Equipment Aquisition

 I really do hope you get around to
setting up a nice darkroom.

I am really downsizing the amount of space I am giving over to the 
darkroom. I am hopefully going to fit it into a 5" 8" x 9' 6" (inside 
dimension) space. I haven't sketched anything out yet, and have no idea 
if I can manage what I want in that little real estate, but I am pretty 
hopefull.
I have decided that I deserve a sauna, but, unfortunately, I have to 
compromise my darkroom space a bit to fit it in.
Or else, I have to shrink my wine cellar, which I don't think is feasable.

On a side note:
MY HOUSE IS DONE!
Or at least the part I contracted for is done.
William Robb

Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[Graywolf]

"What's this?"
"I can't believe my lens."
"Wow!"
"Oh, I'm supposed to be setting the exposure."
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

> I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the > 
TTL-flash and
the *ist D.

Shot within 20 seconds or so of each other..
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/PDMLtemp/
This is typical of how Pentax TTL flash exposure works for me. You will 
note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures.

William Robb

Winter Shots

[Illinois Bill]

Hey gang,
   Thought I'd post a link to a couple of my recent winter pics that 
I'm proud of.  Don't know the difference between a PAW or a PESO as I 
haven't been keeping up on that, so didn't know quite what to label the 
subject.  Comments/Criticism welcome.

http://www.kanescience.com/winter/winter.html
IL Bill
P.S.  I may not be 'active' for a while, as tomorrow I should be moving 
into a new (to me) house.

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 22:56, Doug Franklin wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> > It's terrible.  Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
> > conversion.
> 
> How does desaturating the image compare to converting to CIE*Lab format
> and taking only the Luminance channel?

Using the Luminance channel only in Lab format gives exactly the same result as 
converting to grayscale. Desaturating (in PS) without adjusting the other 
sliders gives a completely different weight to the colours in the grayscale 
conversion.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf"
Subject: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?


"What's this?"
"I can't believe my lens."
"Wow!"
"Oh, I'm supposed to be setting the exposure."
Right.
This stupid calender is being both lots of fun, and at the same time, 
one of the dumbest things I have ever been involved in.

William Robb 

Re: E6 with JOBO

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:25:40 -0600, William Robb wrote:

> I expect you are right, but I also have heard that it is easier to 
> get good quality scans from negative film.

Hmmm.  I suspect that may be based on the type of photos you usually
take.  For me, slide films work better for one simple reason: my
scanner picks up a lot more grain noise in dark areas.  That means that
the skies on all of my negative film end up looking like some sort of
pointillist nightmare instead of a smooth blue gradation.  Skies make
up a lot of my shots, since I'm doing primarily automobile road racing.
 What dark areas exist in my photos I can usually smite pretty easily
in PS, as needed.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Doug Franklin]

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:10:29 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:

> Using the Luminance channel only in Lab format gives exactly the same
> result as converting to grayscale.

OK. I'm a bit dense tonight.  Is that good or bad?

> Desaturating (in PS) without adjusting the other sliders gives a
> completely different weight to the colours in the grayscale
> conversion.

I always felt that the CIE*Lab Luminance channel was a better rendition
than desaturation, but what the heck do I know. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:42:15 -0600, William Robb wrote:

> You will note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures.

I could live with two of the exposures.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

[John Francis]

Rob Studdert mused:
> 
> If you (or anyone else) would like a copy please let me know, it's about 
> 4.5MB.

Yes please.

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 23:17, Doug Franklin wrote:
 
> OK. I'm a bit dense tonight.  Is that good or bad?

Good and bad :-)

> I always felt that the CIE*Lab Luminance channel was a better rendition
> than desaturation, but what the heck do I know. :-)

Well it's definitely closer to the colour/luminance rendition of many B&W films 
but it allows for no variance in conversion so offsets can't easily be 
introduced.

See: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/saturation.jpg

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

[John Francis]

Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> My Canon experience was pretty good overall and my HP experience has
> been similar.  I currently have an HP 7960 and frankly can't tell the
> difference in output quality between it and the various Epsons that I
> have seen.

I've got the HP 9650, which looks pretty good to me.  It's only a 4-ink
printer, so I'd expect a few problems with large areas of pastel tones,
but when I bought it there weren't too many choices for A3-size printers.

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Patrick Genovese]

Hey, I did say "with updated electronics" it is just that the MZ-S 
handles so beautifully, although there would be a couple of small tweaks 
that can make it even better.

I wouldn't touch a camera with the original Philips CCD that Pentax 
planned for the MZ-D i beleive that the same ccd was used on the Contax 
N digital and apparently that sensor had serious noise issues.

I would'nt mind an APS-C size sensor as long as the perfomance is up to 
scratch and can kick a few N and C butts on the image quality stakes.

Even if P designs a new body all they need to do is draw inspiration 
from their best handling bodies like the MZ-S and the Z-1P but at the 
same time continue to build on the improvements they've already 
implemented in the *ist series.  For example I think that the Finder on 
the *ist-d is arguably better than the MZ-S so the finder on the new 
DSLR should be an improvement on the *ist-d's finder etc. etc...

Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geez, that's old news. :)

Would've been nice though.
t
On 12/2/04 15:30, Patrick Genovese wrote:
 

Would dreaming of the MZ-D be too much to wish for from Pentax ?
Just think about it.  The MZ-S' ergonomics with updated electronics most
of the suff from the *IST-D bigger buffer faster frame rate & better AF
& finder...
Maybe we'll get luck who knows !
Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

- Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?
 

Hi all,
My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about
the next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if
that is
the case?
   

I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan
Bator show..
Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no
other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the
istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a
larger buffer and faster frame rate.
Note, this may well be completely off base.
William Robb
 

   

 

Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

[Bruce Dayton]

Yes, I would like a copy.  Just go ahead and send it to my email
account.  I'll probably have my lab print it too.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, December 2, 2004, 8:26:06 PM, you wrote:

RS> On 30 Nov 2004 at 16:58, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> Now I am going to have to do a little experimenting.  I'll let you
>> know of my findings.  One thing I do recall is that the D-Lab prints
>> at 400 dpi rather than the common 300 dpi of the Frontiers.

RS> Hi Bruce,

RS> I tried to send you an email off list yesterday but unfortunately I got the 
big
RS> bounce, the essence of which was:

RS> I have produced a test image based on a 1:1 crop of a *ist D image 
processed in
RS> PS CS RAW with minimal sharpening at an output res of 4096x2734 px. It also
RS> contains a matrix of the crop sharpened with various settings plus a 
reference
RS> image and MacBeth colour checker reference.

RS> I sent it to my printer and they are pumping out a series of prints for me 
at
RS> no cost with and without borders at 12x8 and 18x12 on gloss and matt 
papers, I
RS> should have the results by Monday I guess. The print using PS and the 
machine
RS> isn't set up any special way however it's a bit of black box to the lab it
RS> seems. In any case they were impressed with the test image and it may have
RS> enlightened them a little, apparently one print is pretty scrappy after 
being
RS> passed around to all the staff :-)

RS> If you (or anyone else) would like a copy please let me know, it's about 
4.5MB.

RS> Cheers,


RS> Rob Studdert
RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
RS> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Fw: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

[John Francis]

John Francis mused:
> 
> Bruce Dayton mused:
> > 
> > My Canon experience was pretty good overall and my HP experience has
> > been similar.  I currently have an HP 7960 and frankly can't tell the
> > difference in output quality between it and the various Epsons that I
> > have seen.
> 
> I've got the HP 9650, which looks pretty good to me.  It's only a 4-ink
> printer, so I'd expect a few problems with large areas of pastel tones,
> but when I bought it there weren't too many choices for A3-size printers.


I mean, of course, 6-ink printer (not the current 7-ink or 8-ink models).
Plus it can be used in 4-ink mode as a fallback, although I don't use it
that way (it's sole purpose is as a photo printer to replace my venerable
HP PhotoSmart - a contemporary of that old Epson Stylus Photo).

I've just discovered it can produce long prints - up to 13 x 50 (limited,
I suppose, by ink cartridge capacity?).  I need to get some roll paper to
try; that would let me print up some large panoramas in just two pieces.

Re[2]: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

[Butch Black]

Alin wrote:

Strange, I thought there is nothing to focus about lasers, after all
  those are in-phase, rectilinear beams with extremely low
  dispersion!? Could it be the so called focus procedure is rather an
  alignment process to insure the three laser spots overlap?

  Servus,  Alin

That is correct, though I believe they call it focus. You want all three
lasers at the same point or you get a kind of fringing effect similar to
what you described responding to Rob.

Butch

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Francis Tang]

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:25:45 -0700, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 3. With an investent in Pentax lenses, it doesn't really matter what a
> reviews says or how much a reviewer says one product is better than
> another... I'm don't have the money to dump my current system and start
> over, or invest in two systems.

I'm always anticipating the release of the "next" Pentax dSLR,
precisely because I have a collection of Pentax glass.

However, judging by the *ist-D and *ist-DS, it looks like this is not
a good reason anyway.  The only lenses I would be able to salvage
frrom my collection are the A24/2.8 (which would no longer be a "super
wide"), A50/1.4 (hardly "standard" anymore - perhaps a good portrait
lens) and the A70-210/4 (but that's not my most used lens).  Sadly, I
wouldn't be able to use the M35/2 (which I love on the MX, and would
make a nice "standard" lens for the istD/S), nor my M85/2 (which
despite being previously described as a "dog" on this list, I love
anyway).  The other glass I wouldn't miss so much (a smattering of
50s, plus a Vivitar 28/2.8 and a Ricoh 135/2.8).

So what?  Still holding out for the MR-52... (for those who remember
back far enough, the full-frame MZ-S-based dSLR).

Seriously, for me there's not much reason to stick to Pentax for a
non-fullframe dSLR that cannot use M-series lenses.  Even if Pentax do
eventually release a full-frame dSLR, it'd likely cost so much that
it's hardly worth keeping my old glass.  Right now, it looks as if I
might as well as go for an Olympus E-300 or Nikon D70 (no Canon bleuch
bleuch bleuch).  Or even a non-SLR, such as the Nikon 8400 (yum, super
wide lens).

For me, it's almost getting desperate.  My collection of Pentax bodies
has dwindled to just one working MX - over the years, three MESupers
have conked-out on me :( .  Fortunately (more like sadly) I'm not
taking many photos right now - still adjusting to post-student /
married life

Francis Tang.
PDML lurker, one-time hobby photographer.

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Francis Tang" 
Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com


Seriously, for me there's not much reason to stick to Pentax for a
non-fullframe dSLR that cannot use M-series lenses.  
My istD does just fine with M lenses.
YMMV
William Robb

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Francis Tang]

*gasp*!

Could this be true?  Noone in Singapore can confirm whether M-series
lenses work okay with the *ist-DS (okay, I presume the DS is not so
different from the D wrt lens compatibility).  The brochure for the DS
only lists K-A and newer lenses as being "compatible".

So, how well does it work opn the *ist-D?  Can anyone confirm whether
this is also the case for the DS?


On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:33:23 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Francis Tang"
> Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com
> 
> > Seriously, for me there's not much reason to stick to Pentax for a
> > non-fullframe dSLR that cannot use M-series lenses.
> 
> My istD does just fine with M lenses.
> YMMV
> 
> William Robb
> 
>

RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Andy Chang]

My istDs does just fine too with K and M lenses

Andy

-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Francis Tang" 
Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com



> Seriously, for me there's not much reason to stick to Pentax for a
> non-fullframe dSLR that cannot use M-series lenses.  

My istD does just fine with M lenses.
YMMV

William Robb

RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Andy Chang]

Francis, 
Here is a copy of the email I posted a couple of days ago...

**
I got my Ds tonight... it's a little gem. It cost me around USD833 body
only in Taiwan.
I don't know whether this info has been posted before, so I'll post it
again. 
The first thing I checked was the use of MF lenses. When set in M mode
and the use of the aperture ring, the correct exposure will be measured,
set and locked by a single press of the AE-L button without the need of
using DOF lever... Just like the green button on the istD... Fantastic!
**
There you go!

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Francis Tang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

*gasp*!

Could this be true?  Noone in Singapore can confirm whether M-series
lenses work okay with the *ist-DS (okay, I presume the DS is not so
different from the D wrt lens compatibility).  The brochure for the DS
only lists K-A and newer lenses as being "compatible".

So, how well does it work opn the *ist-D?  Can anyone confirm whether
this is also the case for the DS?


On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:33:23 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Francis Tang"
> Subject: Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com
> 
> > Seriously, for me there's not much reason to stick to Pentax for a
> > non-fullframe dSLR that cannot use M-series lenses.
> 
> My istD does just fine with M lenses.
> YMMV
> 
> William Robb
> 
>

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Patrick Genovese]

Would dreaming of the MZ-D be too much to wish for from Pentax ?
Just think about it.  The MZ-S' ergonomics with updated electronics most 
of the suff from the *IST-D bigger buffer faster frame rate & better AF 
& finder...

Maybe we'll get luck who knows !
Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?

Hi all,
My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about 
the next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if 
that is
the case?

I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan 
Bator show..

Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no 
other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the 
istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a 
larger buffer and faster frame rate.
Note, this may well be completely off base.

William Robb

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Patrick Genovese]

Here's a little trick that i picked up i've found that in some 
situations it works even better than the channel mixer. The concept is 
similar to channel mixer except that you get more

1. Create a new adjustment layer for levels or curves, lets call this 
layer "A". when the layer or curves dialog pops up don't change anything 
just click ok. Your image will not be affected.

2. Create a second Adjustment Layer using Layer \ New Adjustment Layer \ 
Hue Saturation. Set the Saturation Slider to -100

Now go back to layer A and adjust the curves / levels for the red green 
and blue channels indepenedntly.  I find this more versatile than the 
vanilla channel mixer.

Also experiment with the blend mode of layer A I normally use the colour 
or hue blend modes and sometimes multiply although the multiply tends to 
give some extreme effects.

What I tend to do is to create multiple versions of layer A and rapidly 
switch between them to see which effect I like best.

WRT the choice of whether to use curves or levels for layer A i 
generally find that curves gives me more flexibility but it really 
depends on the image in question. Normally curves is my first attempt.

Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:17 AM 02/12/2004 , C. Brendemuehl wrote:
 

In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with 
the use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.

What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format.  Is it 
truely "raw", the simple captured sensor data.
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data 
as though it were the original light,
making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
that I'd like to do on the front end.
   

You can emulate colour filters in PhotoShop.  One filter effect that can
not be done in PhotoShop is a polarising filter.
There is an action, think it comes with PhotoShop, "Custom RGB to
Greyscale" which used "Channel Mixer" interactively to change the colour
response curved.
Great for bringing out a differentiation between a middle red and a middle
blue.
Powell
 

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Doug ...

It's easier for me to show you than it is for me to explain it:

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html

The pics should be self explanatory.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > It's terrible.  Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
> > conversion.
>
> How does desaturating the image compare to converting to CIE*Lab format
> and taking only the Luminance channel?

Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

[ernreed2]

Quoting Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I have had ZX-10's -  it is more capable than those.  Almost like a
> film *ist, except that the film *ist has most of the dedicated
> switches.  Probably a ZX-7.  Electronically it can do most things
> (metering modes, continuous AF, wireless flash, etc), but must use
> menus to select all those things rather than having the switches
> readily available.
> 
> The *istD is much like the PZ-1p.  So, I'll say it again, those who
> want to control the settings on the camera on a regular basis, will
> like the D, those who want mostly the automation to handle things will
> be ok with the DS.  If you are happy using a ZX-7, then the DS will
> make you happy.  If you get frustrated using the ZX-7, you will get
> frustrated using the DS and should get the D.

Ah.
See, here's why I made the comparison the way I did.
I have a PZ-1.
My husband has a ZX-10 ('cause I bought it for him ... )
Never have lived with a ZX-7. Never seen an actual *ist. (the film one)

ERNR

Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

[ernreed2]

Quoting Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 08:53:58 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > 
> > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named 
> > > country in the world.
> > > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named
> > 
> > Named by the same people, right?
> 
> The way I heard it, which might be urban legend, was that Eric the Red
> (IIRC) "discovered" both (from a Euro-centric POV) and named Iceland
> and Greenland the opposite of what they "really were" to dissuade other
> Europeans from going after Iceland.

I've heard that too, several times. Once from an Icelandic person. It may 
indeed be an urban legend, but if so, it's THEIR urban legend. (An "official 
urban legend"?)
She did not tell me the name of the relevant Viking, so I can't help you 
there.
Anyone seen or heard from our Icelandic PDMLer lately?

ERNR

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[Jon Glass]

On Dec 3, 2004, at 6:45 AM, Andy Chang wrote:
My istDs does just fine too with K and M lenses
And, I presume, M-42 lenses are just the same, so you can go back to 
those ancient, beautiful Takumar lenses from the Spotmatic era. Not bad 
for the "digital age". . .
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Close, but not exactly exactly - at least according to my experience and as
seen in the little gallery I just put up:

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Using the Luminance channel only in Lab format gives exactly the same
result as 
> converting to grayscale. Desaturating (in PS) without adjusting the other 
> sliders gives a completely different weight to the colours in the
grayscale 
> conversion.

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[ernreed2]

Quoting Francis Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> *gasp*!
> 
> Could this be true?  Noone in Singapore can confirm whether M-series
> lenses work okay with the *ist-DS (okay, I presume the DS is not so
> different from the D wrt lens compatibility).  The brochure for the DS
> only lists K-A and newer lenses as being "compatible".
> 
> So, how well does it work opn the *ist-D?  Can anyone confirm whether
> this is also the case for the DS?

In addition to reading whatever replies this post attracts, you might want to 
go through the archives for both facts and opinions on *istD and pre-A lens 
compatibility. This subject has been discussed a lot with regard to the *istD 
and I seem to recall there was a very recent post about the Ds as well.

ERNR

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Rob Studdert]

On 2 Dec 2004 at 22:17, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Close, but not exactly exactly - at least according to my experience and as 
> seen
> in the little gallery I just put up:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html

True it isn't exact the same, the colours render to gray in similar ratios the 
largest differential being 4%.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Patrick Genovese]

Was that mentioned offically anywhere ?
Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look for a upscale model in the late spring. If they have not changed 
their plans that is.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Joakim Johansson"
Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?

Hi all,
My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about 
the next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if 
that is
the case?

I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan 
Bator show..

Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no 
other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the marketplace.
My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the 
istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a 
larger buffer and faster frame rate.
Note, this may well be completely off base.

William Robb

Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> Quoting Francis Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > *gasp*!
> > 
> > Could this be true?  Noone in Singapore can confirm whether M-series
> > lenses work okay with the *ist-DS (okay, I presume the DS is not so
> > different from the D wrt lens compatibility).  The brochure for the DS
> > only lists K-A and newer lenses as being "compatible".
> > 
> > So, how well does it work opn the *ist-D?  Can anyone confirm whether
> > this is also the case for the DS?
> 
> In addition to reading whatever replies this post attracts, you might want to 
> go through the archives for both facts and opinions on *istD and pre-A lens 
> compatibility. This subject has been discussed a lot with regard to the *istD 
> and I seem to recall there was a very recent post about the Ds as well.
> 
> ERNR


The definitive summary:

The *ist-D and *ist-DS behave basically identically with any given lens.
Exactly how you perform certain operations differs slightly, but there
is no difference in the capabilities, just in the way to get at them.

With F, FA and FA-J lenses you get full functionality, and all modes.

With A lenses (and the lens set to the "A" position) you obviously lose
autofocus (unless you're also using the AF 1.7X adapter).  You're also
restricted to only the central AF sensor[1], and TTL (not P-TTL) flash.

With older K-mount lenses, or with any lens with the aperture ring
not at the "A" position, you only get hyper-manual exposure mode.[2]
This is effectively manually set exposure (shutter speed set on the
body, aperture set on the lens), but with a quick one-button way to
have the camera set the 'correct' shutter speed.  (On the *ist-D
this uses the green button; on the *ist-DS it's the AE-L button).

Because these cameras lack the aperture simulator coupling they have
no way to directly read the aperture set on the lens.  As a result,
metering (either for the one-touch shutter setting above, or for the
exposure check that is activated when you engage the DOF preview) is
performed by briefly stopping the lens down to the taking aperture.
(I believe the only metering available uses center-weighted mode).

M42 screw-mount lenses (using the screw-mount to K-mount adapter)
behave in the same way they do on all K-mount bodies; the aperture
ring on the lens will stop the lens down immediately.  The camera
has no way of detecting this, and so will actually work slightly
better with these lenses than with pre-A K-mount lenses!

[1] I have no idea why this restriction is necessary.

[2] If the appropriate Pentax Function is set, the camera will
trip the shutter if the body is set to Aperture Priority mode.
But the body will not stop the lens down during exposure;
the camera will meter, and shoot, with the lens wide open.

Re: Can you do this in digital?

[Cotty]

When I was looking for a decent method to convert GRB to mono, I came
across this a while back:

Author unknown - 

--

  Recently at ImagingUSA2003 in Las Vegas, Gary Rogers of R9 (the brains
behind Septone) showed us one of the workflows for Grayscale conversion of
RGB images that he uses. We found it to be far superior to the standard
conversion and thought it would be helpful to share it.

  Step 1. Flatten Image

  Step 2. Create New Hue/Saturation Adjustment Layer with the following
properties:
  Mode: Saturation
  Hue: -180
  Saturation: -100
  Lightness: +100

  Step 3. Convert to LAB Color. Choose the Flatten Option if given.

  Step 4. Open the Channels Window and delete Channels 'A' and 'B'

  Step 5. Convert to Grayscale.

  Congratulations! You now have one of the best converted images known
to man...well, it's very good anyways...



HTH

Cheers,
  Cotty


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