Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

"How about using a C++ interface generator like SWIG?
http://www.swig.org/exec.html
http://is.muni.cz/th/256594/fi_m/thesis.pdf
(note I haven't used this, I've just been browsing around for interest)

cheers -ben" 

its not that simple. Swig is like a template thingy that generates wrapper
automagically for programming languages. In this case it would require that
Pharo supports C++ libs in some way which I think it does not. 

For example Swing is quite popular with python , cpython to be exactly , but
cpython has an API for wrapping both C and C++ code. So you need a language
that already offers support for C++ libs in order to be able to use SWIG. 

"Depends on what you want you mean by solid. 
For exploratory visual programming, it's a solid design. 
For building GUIs from standard components and a clear separation of
responsibilities between a morphs constituent parts (*parts* you say? who
needs that, we're all morphs!), it's much less solid than say, MVC/MVP. 

Cheers, 
Henry "

I am nowhere near to classify myself as a "morphic coder" but I am not a big
fan of MVC . The idea of dividing an element to 3 things Model , View and
Controller and essentially having 3 objects for every graphic element does
not resonate with me very well. But in the end as I say I am not in a
position to compare it with MVC libs, and I definetly dont like the design
of some of the elements. Treemorph looks weird to me, for example it has a
selection index but index apply only for visible / not expanded components
which for me defys the meaning of  having a tree hierarchy moph in the first
place.  Progress bar has not been easy to figure out either. 

What I do like about morphic is that everything is a morph and you can make
compex guis out of very simple moprhs and the fact that you can do that by
mouse. And of course visual coding too. If it was in my hand completely I
would made all those morph as simple as possible. I get the feeling that
each morph tries to solve too many problems. 

"Agreed. This week I tried to do morphic the second time in my life. There
are a lot of things that I consider to be annoying but then it is also easy
to combine and display stuff. Took me not too much time to have a visual
representation of my scanner cache tool"

exactly and I really like your visual , shows that morphic is plenty capable
of making very modern graphics. I see even anti-aliasing which is very nice. 

I agree that Mars can play a crucial role for people who are already
familiar with GTK and Cocoa , certainly it will be one more motivation to
use pharo. So definetly Morphic and Mars can hapilly coexist together.

Its kinda ironic you know, I was an ex cpython coder, I would love to have a
cpython GUI API but there is none. Even on 1/10th of the capabilities of
Morphic. All popular GUI frameworks for cpython are C/C++ wrapped libs. And
to make things even funnier the standard gui that cpython comes with is
called Tkinter and even though it is made in a scripting language its not
python , its TK. And cpython is like what 100 times more popular to pharo,
1000 ? So yes I am glad Pharo has moprhic and that is so deep , even if it
has its quirks. 

Actually besides TK I dont know of another dynamic language that has a GUI
api written in the language that uses it. And mind you Tkinter is nowhere
near Morphic. So definetly shows that Morphic is quite an achievenment.



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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Pavel Krivanek]

Works for me on Fedora 64 bit. I only had to install gtk3.i686 and
change library path (to /lib/libgtk-3.so.0), Where can I find the
icons directory?

Cheers,
-- Pavel

2013/9/24 Esteban Lorenzano :
> yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok.
>
> but maybe you need to change the path.
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:
>
>> I followed the instructions in another mail.
>>
>> Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3
>>
>> Thierry
>>
>> Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>>> you need gtk3-devel?
>>> weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that.
>>>
>>> Esteban
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:
>>>


 Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?
>>
>> Far.
>
> yes, we still need a lot of work.
> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)
>
>>
>>> By the way, is this the goal?
>>
>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a 
>> native binding
>> will not support.
>
> the objective is to have an alternative.
> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so 
> there would not be a problem there :)

 Oh, this is how you are doing it.

 I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
 (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.

 Thierry

>>
>> Stef
>>
 Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont 
  wrote:
 Hi Carla,

 this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins 
 server ?

 Cheers,

 Laurent


 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio 
  wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog 
 about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
 These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
 browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a 
 real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's 
 cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser 
 example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite 
 example so far.

 I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback 
 is appreciated!

 Cheers,
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Norbert Hartl]

Am 25.09.2013 um 10:25 schrieb Henrik Johansen :On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:42 , kilon  wrote:I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just likeany huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. Depends on what you want you mean by solid.For exploratory visual programming, it's a solid design.For building GUIs from standard components and a clear separation of responsibilities between a morphs constituent parts (*parts* you say? who needs that, we're all morphs!), it's much less solid than say, MVC/MVP.Agreed. This week I tried to do morphic the second time in my life. There are a lot of things that I consider to be annoying but then it is also easy to combine and display stuff. Took me not too much time to have a visual representation of my scanner cache toolWas pretty much fun in the end. Norbert

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Henrik Johansen]

On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:42 , kilon  wrote:

> I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like
> any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. 

Depends on what you want you mean by solid.
For exploratory visual programming, it's a solid design.
For building GUIs from standard components and a clear separation of 
responsibilities between a morphs constituent parts (*parts* you say? who needs 
that, we're all morphs!), it's much less solid than say, MVC/MVP.

Cheers,
Henry


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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[btc]

kilon wrote:

  I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like
any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. 

I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no.
So move along nothing to see here. 

I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if
that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is
huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to
do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will
do for now. 

The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and
macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom ,
macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom
anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. 

Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C
library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of
course compiles on windooom, macos and linux .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)
  

I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be
based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it.   


Sean P. DeNigris wrote
  
  
kilon wrote


  And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
library, is hard to beat for customization
  

When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful.
The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
idea is brilliant.
kilon wrote


  The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
support C++ libraries because of name mangling.
  

You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not
that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts

  
  
  

How about using a C++ interface generator like SWIG?
http://www.swig.org/exec.html
http://is.muni.cz/th/256594/fi_m/thesis.pdf
(note I haven't used this, I've just been browsing around for interest)

cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

Personally I don't care that much to be frank with you. I think the age of
"native look" has passed and failed miserably. All the rage now is custom
look guis, graphics app are strictly custom look, sound and music apps are
strictly custom look and web apps of course as well. Only business apps are
remaining stuborn stuck in the past. 

Its no mistake that the clear winner on the GUI department is by far QT .
Take a look even at iOS even iOS dropped the macos look for its own custom
look.  Custom look is everywhere. Even macos embraces it with Launchpad,
Time machine and who knows what the future holds. Windoom has suprised us
with Metro, probably not a success but seems that even the sloth giant
Micro$oft has taken notice where things are heading. 

QT is the king of it because it has created a very flexible API which is not
only capable in looking native but also very good in customisation. Well the
king is web design here, but since its not considered desktop technology I
will say QT for the record.

Saying all that, I am not a believer of GTK. And I have heard that on
windows people prefer to commit murder than use GTK. GTK is mainly linux
orientated and I dont even think its even on Android. There was a bug on
macos about tablet with pressure sensitivity and several other bugs with
gimp and mypaint, the bottom line was that there were not enough developers
for either windows or macos. GTK3 looks like diffirent story though but I
still have my doubts. Looks more flexible, better designed but still does
not change the fact that it lack people on non linux platforms to maintain
it. And its a rather huge lib. 

I am interested into Clutter because my main interest is Graphics and
OpenGL, so I have my own personal agenda on this.  

Now if you want to support GTK3 on windoom, I say go for it, its not as if
you have a better choice. Maintaining a windoom port with using windoom apis
will be much more of a pain anyway. So GTK3 certainly makes sense for me. I
just dont see myself abandoning morphic any time soon for it.  At least not
this century. I prefer smalltalk to C bugs anyday. 



EstebanLM wrote
> er... of course Mars is designed to alllow the backend you want to plug
> in,
> but we thinkthat Gtk3 is ok for Linux and good enough for Windows. For OSX
> we have the Cocoa backend.
> 
> So I do not understand this line of argument :)
> 
> Esteban
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, kilon <

> thekilon@.co

> > wrote:
> 
>> I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just
>> like
>> any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved.
>>
>> I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is
>> no.
>> So move along nothing to see here.
>>
>> I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if
>> that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is
>> huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able
>> to
>> do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars
>> will
>> do for now.
>>
>> The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and
>> macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom ,
>> macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom
>> anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here.
>>
>> Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C
>> library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of
>> course compiles on windooom, macos and linux .
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)
>> 
>>
>> I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be
>> based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it.
>>
>>
>> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>> >
>> > kilon wrote
>> >> And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another
>> C
>> >> library, is hard to beat for customization
>> > When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely
>> powerful.
>> > The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the
>> underlying
>> > idea is brilliant.
>> > kilon wrote
>> >> The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do
>> not
>> >> support C++ libraries because of name mangling.
>> > You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions.
>> Not
>> > that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Stéphane Ducasse]

I saw 

Add multi-touch gesture recognizers
ClutterPanAction, ClutterZoomAction, and ClutterRotateAction are gesture 
recognizers that can be used to detect common multi-touch gestures. The 
ClutterGestureAction class has been modified to make it easy to create new 
gesture recognizers.
And I'm curious to know how they do it because one of these days we will have :)

Stef



On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:42 PM, kilon  wrote:

> I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like
> any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. 
> 
> I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no.
> So move along nothing to see here. 
> 
> I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if
> that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is
> huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to
> do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will
> do for now. 
> 
> The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and
> macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom ,
> macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom
> anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. 
> 
> Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C
> library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of
> course compiles on windooom, macos and linux .
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)
>   
> 
> I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be
> based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it.   
> 
> 
> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>> 
>> kilon wrote
>>> And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
>>> library, is hard to beat for customization
>> When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful.
>> The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
>> idea is brilliant.
>> kilon wrote
>>> The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
>>> support C++ libraries because of name mangling.
>> You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not
>> that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

er... of course Mars is designed to alllow the backend you want to plug in,
but we thinkthat Gtk3 is ok for Linux and good enough for Windows. For OSX
we have the Cocoa backend.

So I do not understand this line of argument :)

Esteban

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, kilon  wrote:

> I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like
> any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved.
>
> I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is
> no.
> So move along nothing to see here.
>
> I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if
> that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is
> huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able
> to
> do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars
> will
> do for now.
>
> The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and
> macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom ,
> macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom
> anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here.
>
> Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C
> library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of
> course compiles on windooom, macos and linux .
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)
> 
>
> I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be
> based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it.
>
>
> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> >
> > kilon wrote
> >> And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
> >> library, is hard to beat for customization
> > When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely
> powerful.
> > The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
> > idea is brilliant.
> > kilon wrote
> >> The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
> >> support C++ libraries because of name mangling.
> > You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not
> > that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts
>
>
>
>
>
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> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like
any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. 

I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no.
So move along nothing to see here. 

I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if
that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is
huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to
do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will
do for now. 

The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and
macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom ,
macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom
anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. 

Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C
library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of
course compiles on windooom, macos and linux .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)
  

I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be
based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it.   


Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> 
> kilon wrote
>> And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
>> library, is hard to beat for customization
> When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful.
> The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
> idea is brilliant.
> kilon wrote
>> The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
>> support C++ libraries because of name mangling.
> You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not
> that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts





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[Sean P. DeNigris]

kilon wrote
> And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
> library, is hard to beat for customization

When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful.
The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying
idea is brilliant.


kilon wrote
> The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
> support C++ libraries because of name mangling.

You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not
that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts



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[Goubier Thierry]

I changed it to libgtk-3.so.0 instead of libgtk-3.so.0.600.0 (on ubuntu 
13.04 it's libgtk-3.so.0.600.4 :)).


However MarsTestRunner fail with a MNU: MarsListModel>>announce: and I'm 
chasing a sizingPolicy nil in MarsLayout for MarsWorkspace


Thierry

Le 24/09/2013 15:28, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :

yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok.

but maybe you need to change the path.

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:


I followed the instructions in another mail.

Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3

Thierry

Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :

you need gtk3-devel?
weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that.

Esteban

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:




Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :


On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  wrote:




I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?


Far.


yes, we still need a lot of work.
but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)




By the way, is this the goal?


No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native 
binding
will not support.


the objective is to have an alternative.
now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there 
would not be a problem there :)


Oh, this is how you are doing it.

I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
(gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.

Thierry



Stef


Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
wrote:
Hi Carla,

this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ?

Cheers,

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the 
new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser 
or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application 
using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package 
browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but 
the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.

I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
appreciated!

Cheers,
Carla.

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

EstebanLM wrote
> the objective is to have an alternative. 
> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so
> there would not be a problem there :)

now this sounds super interesting stuff, mixing moprhic with native guis. I
hear that GTK3 is mostly Cairo based, and so is hmtl rendering for Firefox.
Looks like Athens will play a rather crucial role to the future of Morphic
and Pharo. But of course thats easier said than done :) 

And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C
library, is hard to beat for customization and cross platform development.
For example GTK is a disaster on Macos and Windows. With many problems,
stability wise. QT is abit better but I suspect is big and complex ,
especially taking into account they had to design their own programming
language for designing Graphical Elements known as QML ( a kind of
javascript  :D ). Oh QML can do live coding, sound familiar ? ;)

but QT come with its own designers , and a wealth of tools, juicy
documentation and good support even on mobile platforms. So an alliance of
QT and Pharo may actually be quite more beneficial than an alliance with
Windows GUI API or MacOS Cocoa or GTK . As far as I have seen QT look and
behaves native in all major OSes. 

The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not
support C++ libraries because of name mangling. But this is something that
the FFI experts could clarify. 



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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Mark Bestley]

 wrote:

> --089e0122eca46a487504e71ea2a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Same error here on ArchLinux.
> 
> Laurent
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon
>  wrote:
> 
> > yeah it fails with error after executing :
> >
> > Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
> > package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load.
> >
> > ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.
> >
> > "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"
> >
> > here is the stack trace
> >
> > http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 
> >
> >

Also same error in OSX
 
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. 

but maybe you need to change the path. 

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:

> I followed the instructions in another mail.
> 
> Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3
> 
> Thierry
> 
> Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>> you need gtk3-devel?
>> weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that.
>> 
>> Esteban
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  
 wrote:
 
> 
>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?
> 
> Far.
 
 yes, we still need a lot of work.
 but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)
 
> 
>> By the way, is this the goal?
> 
> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a 
> native binding
> will not support.
 
 the objective is to have an alternative.
 now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so 
 there would not be a problem there :)
>>> 
>>> Oh, this is how you are doing it.
>>> 
>>> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
>>> (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.
>>> 
>>> Thierry
>>> 
> 
> Stef
> 
>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Carla,
>>> 
>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins 
>>> server ?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Laurent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog 
>>> about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
>>> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a 
>>> real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's 
>>> cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser 
>>> example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite 
>>> example so far.
>>> 
>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback 
>>> is appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Carla.
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Stéphane Ducasse]

>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a 
>> native binding
>> will not support.
> 
> But could a Spec subset (or Spec itself?) target Mars?
this is the idea. We should be able to reuse the composition logic of spec 
object.

Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Goubier Thierry]

I followed the instructions in another mail.

Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3

Thierry

Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :

you need gtk3-devel?
weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that.

Esteban

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:




Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :


On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  wrote:




I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?


Far.


yes, we still need a lot of work.
but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)




By the way, is this the goal?


No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native 
binding
will not support.


the objective is to have an alternative.
now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there 
would not be a problem there :)


Oh, this is how you are doing it.

I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
(gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.

Thierry



Stef


Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
wrote:
Hi Carla,

this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ?

Cheers,

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the 
new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser 
or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application 
using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package 
browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but 
the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.

I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
appreciated!

Cheers,
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

you need gtk3-devel?
weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that.

Esteban

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry  wrote:

> 
> 
> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?
>>> 
>>> Far.
>> 
>> yes, we still need a lot of work.
>> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)
>> 
>>> 
 By the way, is this the goal?
>>> 
>>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a 
>>> native binding
>>> will not support.
>> 
>> the objective is to have an alternative.
>> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so 
>> there would not be a problem there :)
> 
> Oh, this is how you are doing it.
> 
> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
> (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.
> 
> Thierry
> 
>>> 
>>> Stef
>>> 
> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont 
>  wrote:
> Hi Carla,
> 
> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins 
> server ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Laurent
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio 
>  wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog 
> about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a 
> real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's 
> cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser 
> example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite 
> example so far.
> 
> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
> appreciated!
> 
> Cheers,
> Carla.
> 
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Goubier Thierry]

Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :


On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  wrote:




I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?


Far.


yes, we still need a lot of work.
but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)




By the way, is this the goal?


No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native 
binding
will not support.


the objective is to have an alternative.
now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there 
would not be a problem there :)


Oh, this is how you are doing it.

I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs 
(gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected.


Thierry



Stef


Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
wrote:
Hi Carla,

this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ?

Cheers,

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the 
new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser 
or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application 
using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package 
browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but 
the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.

I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
appreciated!

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  wrote:

> 
>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? 
> 
> Far.

yes, we still need a lot of work. 
but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :)

> 
>> By the way, is this the goal?
> 
> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a 
> native binding
> will not support. 

the objective is to have an alternative. 
now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there 
would not be a problem there :)

> 
> Stef
> 
>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Carla,
>>> 
>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server 
>>> ? 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Laurent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about 
>>> the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. 
>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
>>> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real 
>>> application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) 
>>> The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I 
>>> showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.
>>> 
>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
>>> appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Carla.
>>> 
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Goubier Thierry]

Le 24/09/2013 15:05, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :



I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good?


Far.


By the way, is this the goal?


No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native 
binding
will not support.


But could a Spec subset (or Spec itself?) target Mars?

Thierry


Stef


Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
wrote:
Hi Carla,

this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ?

Cheers,

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the 
new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner.
These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser 
or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application 
using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package 
browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but 
the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.

I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
appreciated!

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Stéphane Ducasse]

> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? 

Far.

> By the way, is this the goal?

No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native 
binding
will not support. 

Stef

>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Carla,
>> 
>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Laurent
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
>> wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about 
>> the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. 
>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
>> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real 
>> application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) 
>> The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I 
>> showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.
>> 
>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
>> appreciated!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Carla.
>> 
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Alexandre Bergel]

I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? 
By the way, is this the goal?

Alexandre


On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:09 AM, Carla F. Griggio  wrote:

> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont  
> wrote:
> Hi Carla,
> 
> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Laurent
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  
> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about 
> the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. 
> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package 
> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real 
> application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The 
> Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed 
> before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.
> 
> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is 
> appreciated!
> 
> Cheers,
> Carla.
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

ah yes... in 3.0 it will not work at the moment :)

On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:25 PM, laurent laffont  wrote:

> I've tried on Pharo 3.0.
> 
> On Pharo2.0 one click it loads correctly.
> 
> Laurent
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Carla F. Griggio  
> wrote:
> I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project with 
> no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from pharo-project.org.
> 
> But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here:
> 
> ExternalObject class>>initialize
>   "ExternalObject initialize"
>   Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray.
> 
> That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class 
> that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package 
> Balloon-Collections.
> 
> Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio  
> wrote:
> Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe 
> filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P
> 
> Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks 
> for trying it (or trying to try it :P).
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont  
> wrote:
> Same error here on ArchLinux.
> 
> Laurent
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon  wrote:
> yeah it fails with error after executing :
> 
> Gofer it
>   url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
>   package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
>   load.
> 
> ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.
> 
> "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"
> 
> here is the stack trace
> 
> http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 
> 
> 
> Carla F. Griggio wrote
> > Hi!
> > For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
> > http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
> >
> > It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but
> > if
> > something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
> >
> > Thanks for the comments, everybody.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <
> 
> > thekilon@.co
> 
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
> >> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
> >> found
> >> unix" . How I load it ?
> >>
> >> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> >> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[laurent laffont]

I've tried on Pharo 3.0.

On Pharo2.0 one click it loads correctly.

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Carla F. Griggio
wrote:

> I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project
> with no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from
> pharo-project.org.
>
> But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here:
>
> ExternalObject class>>initialize
> "ExternalObject initialize"
>  Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray.
>
> That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class
> that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package
> Balloon-Collections.
>
> Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio <
> carla.grig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe
>> filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P
>>
>> Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you,
>> thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont <
>> laurent.laff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Same error here on ArchLinux.
>>>
>>> Laurent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon  wrote:
>>>
 yeah it fails with error after executing :

 Gofer it
   url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
   package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
   load.

 ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.

 "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"

 here is the stack trace

 http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 


 Carla F. Griggio wrote
 > Hi!
 > For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
 >
 http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
 >
 > It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did,
 but
 > if
 > something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
 >
 > Thanks for the comments, everybody.
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <

 > thekilon@.co

 > > wrote:
 >
 >> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
 >> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name
 not
 >> found
 >> unix" . How I load it ?
 >>
 >> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> --
 >> View this message in context:
 >>
 http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
 >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
 >> Nabble.com.
 >>
 >>





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 Nabble.com.


>>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Carla F. Griggio]

I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project
with no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from
pharo-project.org.

But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here:

ExternalObject class>>initialize
"ExternalObject initialize"
 Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray.

That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class
that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package
Balloon-Collections.

Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies?


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio
wrote:

> Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe
> filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P
>
> Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you,
> thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P).
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont <
> laurent.laff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Same error here on ArchLinux.
>>
>> Laurent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon  wrote:
>>
>>> yeah it fails with error after executing :
>>>
>>> Gofer it
>>>   url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
>>>   package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
>>>   load.
>>>
>>> ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.
>>>
>>> "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"
>>>
>>> here is the stack trace
>>>
>>> http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 
>>>
>>>
>>> Carla F. Griggio wrote
>>> > Hi!
>>> > For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
>>> >
>>> http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
>>> >
>>> > It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did,
>>> but
>>> > if
>>> > something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the comments, everybody.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <
>>>
>>> > thekilon@.co
>>>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
>>> >> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
>>> >> found
>>> >> unix" . How I load it ?
>>> >>
>>> >> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> View this message in context:
>>> >>
>>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
>>> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>>> >> Nabble.com.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html
>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>>> Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Carla F. Griggio]

Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe
filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P

Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks
for trying it (or trying to try it :P).


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont  wrote:

> Same error here on ArchLinux.
>
> Laurent
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon  wrote:
>
>> yeah it fails with error after executing :
>>
>> Gofer it
>>   url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
>>   package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
>>   load.
>>
>> ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.
>>
>> "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"
>>
>> here is the stack trace
>>
>> http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 
>>
>>
>> Carla F. Griggio wrote
>> > Hi!
>> > For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
>> > http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
>> >
>> > It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but
>> > if
>> > something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the comments, everybody.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <
>>
>> > thekilon@.co
>>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
>> >> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
>> >> found
>> >> unix" . How I load it ?
>> >>
>> >> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
>> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>> >> Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html
>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[laurent laffont]

Same error here on ArchLinux.

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon  wrote:

> yeah it fails with error after executing :
>
> Gofer it
>   url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
>   package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
>   load.
>
> ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.
>
> "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary"
>
> here is the stack trace
>
> http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN 
>
>
> Carla F. Griggio wrote
> > Hi!
> > For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
> > http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
> >
> > It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but
> > if
> > something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
> >
> > Thanks for the comments, everybody.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <
>
> > thekilon@.co
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
> >> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
> >> found
> >> unix" . How I load it ?
> >>
> >> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> >> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Santiago Bragagnolo]

(of course i didnt saw the video because my beloved proxy :) )


2013/9/24 Santiago Bragagnolo 

> woaaa, i love it. Can the potion have the colour of the tests? (all green=
> green potion)) :3 does the potion get filled meanwhile tests are running?
> (i know all what i ask for is not needed :P )
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Esteban Lorenzano 
>
>> oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it.
>> when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :)
>>
>> Esteban
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon  wrote:
>>
>> > You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume
>> it on
>> > smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU.
>> But
>> > from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for
>> > contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website.
>> Where
>> > exactly one can get the code ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html
>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Santiago Bragagnolo]

woaaa, i love it. Can the potion have the colour of the tests? (all green=
green potion)) :3 does the potion get filled meanwhile tests are running?
(i know all what i ask for is not needed :P )


2013/9/24 Esteban Lorenzano 

> oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it.
> when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :)
>
> Esteban
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon  wrote:
>
> > You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume
> it on
> > smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU.
> But
> > from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for
> > contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where
> > exactly one can get the code ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html
> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

yeah it fails with error after executing :

Gofer it
  url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main';
  package: 'ConfigurationOfMars';
  load.

ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'.

"Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary" 

here is the stack trace

http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN   


Carla F. Griggio wrote
> Hi!
> For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
> http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/
> 
> It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but
> if
> something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.
> 
> Thanks for the comments, everybody.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon <

> thekilon@.co

> > wrote:
> 
>> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
>> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
>> found
>> unix" . How I load it ?
>>
>> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>>
>>





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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Esteban Lorenzano]

oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it. 
when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :)

Esteban

On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon  wrote:

> You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on
> smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But
> from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for
> contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where
> exactly one can get the code ? 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Carla F. Griggio]

Hi!
For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do:
http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/

It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if
something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post.

Thanks for the comments, everybody.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon  wrote:

> ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
> CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not
> found
> unix" . How I load it ?
>
> I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying
CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error "error: name not found
unix" . How I load it ?

I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. 



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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[kilon]

You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on
smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But
from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for
contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where
exactly one can get the code ? 



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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[Carla F. Griggio]

Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont
wrote:

> Hi Carla,
>
> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server
> ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio  > wrote:
>
>>  Hi everyone!
>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog
>> about the new Mars Package Browser and Test 
>> Runner
>> .
>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package
>> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real
>> application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :)
>> The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I
>> showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.
>>
>> I give more details in the 
>> screencastand the blog
>> post.
>> Any feedback is appreciated!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carla.
>>
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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

[laurent laffont]

Hi Carla,

this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server
?

Cheers,

Laurent


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio
wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about
> the new Mars Package Browser and Test 
> Runner
> .
> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package
> browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real
> application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :)
> The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I
> showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far.
>
> I give more details in the 
> screencastand the blog
> post.
> Any feedback is appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
> Carla.
>
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