Re: fill out forms
Foxit Pro (www.foxitsoftware.com) does this nicely for Windows machines. Unfortunately, they do not have a Linux version. Foxit Pro also has the ability to allow you to mark and copy text if the PDF was created from a text file. I suspect that a cleverly formulated Google search could find a Linux-able PDF reader that can do the same things. -mj- Michael Havens wrote: I frequently get forms I need to fill out in PDFs. I hat printing them to fill them out and then needing to scan to email the form to the person that needs the said form. Is there like a program or website I can open a pdf in that will allow me to fill it out on my computer? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: fill out forms
This site has a link to get a Linux version of Foxit Pro. http://maketecheasier.com/8-alternative-pdf-readers-for-your-consideration/2010/11/12 -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: Foxit Pro (www.foxitsoftware.com) does this nicely for Windows machines. Unfortunately, they do not have a Linux version. Foxit Pro also has the ability to allow you to mark and copy text if the PDF was created from a text file. I suspect that a cleverly formulated Google search could find a Linux-able PDF reader that can do the same things. -mj- Michael Havens wrote: I frequently get forms I need to fill out in PDFs. I hat printing them to fill them out and then needing to scan to email the form to the person that needs the said form. Is there like a program or website I can open a pdf in that will allow me to fill it out on my computer? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT USB to PS/2 adapters
I have a relatively new (1yr) PC without PS/2 keyboard mouse connectors. I've accumulated 4 USB to PS/2 adapters. Three are just 6 cables with a USB male on one end and a PS/2 female on the other. The fourth is similar, but has a large oval-ish thing in the middle of the cable. My MS ergonomic keyboard has a PS/2 connector and will not work when connected using one of the three plain adapters, but will with the fourth. I'd like to understand a) why, and b) where to buy a couple more of the adapters that do work (for another project). Any help from the incredibly knowledgeable PLUG-ers will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT USB to PS/2 adapters
A corollary to RTFM is Look at the Stupid Device. It had Radio Shack molded into the front and even had a part #. on the back. Duh! I was setting up my wife's new box and of course had the same issue there, so I got on my horse got myself over to Radio Shack. The durn thing cost $20, but now everything works! The USB 1 vs USB 2 makes sense. I'm pretty sure that I'd successfully used those simple adapters sometime in the past, but everything's USB 2 now, going to 3. Mark Jarvis Lisa Kachold wrote: Hi Guys! On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I've had that same experience with ps2 to usb adaptors; It seems the more expensive ones work better (electronics in the middle) but it's hit or miss. I've gradually phased PS2 devices out in favor of usb devices. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have a relatively new (1yr) PC without PS/2 keyboard mouse connectors. I've accumulated 4 USB to PS/2 adapters. Three are just 6" cables with a USB male on one end and a PS/2 female on the other. The fourth is similar, but has a large oval-ish thing in the middle of the cable. My MS ergonomic keyboard has a PS/2 connector and will not work when connected using one of the three plain adapters, but will with the fourth. I'd like to understand a) why, and b) where to buy a couple more of the adapters that do work (for another project). Any help from the incredibly knowledgeable PLUG-ers will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mark Jarvis snip It has to do with the specifications between USB 1.0 and 2.0 which require different power where the cables must also contain that capacity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: making PDFs workable
The Foxitpro PDF reader allows text to be marked and copied. Unfortunately, it's only available for Windows. I don't know if there's a Linux PDF reader that has that capability. -mj- Michael Havens wrote: HOw can I make it so I can copy-n-paste the text from a pdf into a oo document? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Sam Kreimeyer skrei...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a pdf of a quick guide to regular expressions http://www.addedbytes.com/download/regular-expressions-cheat-sheet-v1/pdf/ Basically, it's a format for defining search patterns that supports special meanings for certain characters. For instance: a - finds any string like "a" a. - finds any string like "a" plus any other character except a new line (matches "aa", "ab", "ac", etc) a.* - finds any string like "a" plus zero or more characters except a new line (matches "aa", "abcdefghijk") Other special characters can further modify this behavior. So here's an explanation of the earlier command. 's/\.JPG$/.jpg/' *.JPG Basic search and replace format s/[string we search for]/[string to replace matches with]/ "\.JPG$" - Because "." is special, we escape it with "\" to keep the regex from interpreting it, so the "." will be treated literally. "JPG" is what we're looking for. Placing a "$" at the end of the string tells the regex to match the string only at the end of the strings you're searching. This means that you will match "example.JPG" but not "JPG.example". ".jpg" - This is our replacement string. This is what goes in the place of every match we find. "*.JPG" - while this isn't part of the regex, "*" is a wildcard (can be substituted for any number of characters). Hope that helps! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How can a usb device crash a computer?
I had that happen. The problem was the printer. I replaced the printer and the problem went away. j...@actionline.com wrote: How could plugging in a printer via a usb port crash my computer? I just got a usb to rs232 connector cable and when I plugged it in to my computer, the computer instantly quit. So I unplugged the usb cable immediately, but now I cannot power on the computer. What in the world could have caused such a drastic failure? And what can I try to resurrect the computer? Or, to whom would you recommend I take the computer for repair? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Dell disks
Thanks to all who responded. Sounds like no problem. Thanks again, Mark Mark Jarvis wrote: I'm considering buying a Dell desktop (Inspiron 620), but a few years ago I was warned off them because Dell did something different to their disks so that you had to buy replacement/additional disks only from Dell. Any chance that it's still true? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Dell disks
I'm considering buying a Dell desktop (Inspiron 620), but a few years ago I was warned off them because Dell did something different to their disks so that you had to buy replacement/additional disks only from Dell. Any chance that it's still true? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT--HTML coding question
I have a web site with a large number of hand coded pages. I have a block of code that needs to be inserted into each page. The problem is that the block will change occasionally as new material is added. Obviously, things would be much simpler if I could make the change in one place and have each page attach/include/link to/etc. a file containing that piece of code. If there is an HTML construct that allows that, I haven't found it. If there is such a thing and someone could point me to it, It would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT--HTML coding question
Thanks! It sounds like a good solution. If this was a commercial web site I'd probably do it. However this is something I'm doing on a volunteer basis using donated space and I'm trying to keep everything small and simple--especially simple. Once again, thanks! Mark Matt Graham wrote: From: Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net I have a web site with a large number of hand coded pages. I have a block of code that needs to be inserted into each page. The problem is that the block will change occasionally as new material is added. Obviously, things would be much simpler if I could make the change in one place and have each page attach/include/link to/etc. a file containing that piece of code. If there is an HTML construct that allows that, I haven't found it. It's called server-side includes, and it's relatively standard if you're using Apache. You have to have the directory you want to have server-side includes enabled in with a config stanza kind of like so: Directory /var/www/localhost/htdocs Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes /Directory # note that Includes is the option you want to have enabled for this dir. # that's the docroot of my webhost; modify for your setup # make sure to restart apache if you change the config file Once this has been done, all you have to do is to put a construct like so into foobar.html: !--#include virtual=/incs/nav.html -- ...this tells apache that when it's reading foobar.html, it should read the file /var/www/localhost/htdocs/incs/nav.html and insert that file's contents into foobar.html at that point, before sending stuff to the client.[0] This is *really* useful. At work, we basically depend on apache SSI to do 5 tons of stuff, since many pages use the same stuff across the whole site for navigation/menu bars/whatever. If this didn't make any sense, holler. [0] It can get a bit more complex than that, what with RewriteRules and other stuff, but that'll get you started. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT HDW question update
If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface, without the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog output in the plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I have on one machine--do not have the analog signal. Quoting: "As well as digital signals, the DVI connector includes pins providing the same analog signals found on a VGA connector, allowing an analog VGA monitor to be connected with a passive plug adapter (or with a converter cable with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other). This feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as it allows either type of monitor (analog or digital) to be operated from the same connector. The DVI connector on a device is therefore given one of three names, depending on which signals it implements: DVI-D (digital only, both single-link and dual-link) DVI-A (analog only) DVI-I (integrated digital and analog)" One machine has both DVI-I VGA ports, the other only the DVI-D,. I'll try to find a spare video card and see if that will help. Mark Stephen wrote: I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine with the simple adapter. I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI I don't think an adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible. It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news) I buy a more expensive KVM with DVI ports. Any advice comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface will be gratefully accepted. Thanks, Mark Jarvis Stephen wrote: The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it would be more than 5 bux. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I just ordered received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm running. What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers? I'm sure that the solution is simple, I probably should know the answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in. Thanks in advance for any advice. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: (OT HDW question update) update
I dug out my spare video card and it has a DVI-I port so I think that I'll try that. I still don't know enough about this whole area, so if anyone has anything to share, it would be appreciated. Mark Jarvis Mark Jarvis wrote: If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface, without the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog output in the plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I have on one machine--do not have the analog signal. Quoting: "As well as digital signals, the DVI connector includes pins providing the same analog signals found on a VGA connector, allowing an analog VGA monitor to be connected with a passive plug adapter (or with a converter cable with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other). This feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as it allows either type of monitor (analog or digital) to be operated from the same connector. The DVI connector on a device is therefore given one of three names, depending on which signals it implements: DVI-D (digital only, both single-link and dual-link) DVI-A (analog only) DVI-I (integrated digital and analog)" One machine has both DVI-I VGA ports, the other only the DVI-D,. I'll try to find a spare video card and see if that will help. Mark Stephen wrote: I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine with the simple adapter. I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI I don't think an adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible. It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news) I buy a more expensive KVM with DVI ports. Any advice comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface will be gratefully accepted. Thanks, Mark Jarvis Stephen wrote: The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it would be more than 5 bux. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I just ordered received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm running. What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers? I'm sure that the solution is simple, I probably should know the answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in. Thanks in advance for any advice. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT HDW question
My monitor has a 15 pin VGA port, as does the old computer so it looks like an adapter to connect my DVI cable from the new box to the KVM switch will make it work. Of course that brings up the question of what am I losing by not using DVI? A quick Google check (which I should have done earlier) showed lots of adapters for just a few bucks, so I should be able to pick one up locally--which leads back to the what do I lose question. Comments? Thanks, Mark Jarvis Mark Jarvis wrote: I just ordered received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm running. What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers? I'm sure that the solution is simple, I probably should know the answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in. Thanks in advance for any advice. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT HDW question update
I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI I don't think an adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible. It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news) I buy a more expensive KVM with DVI ports. Any advice comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface will be gratefully accepted. Thanks, Mark Jarvis Stephen wrote: The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it would be more than 5 bux. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net wrote: I just ordered received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm running. What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers? I'm sure that the solution is simple, I probably should know the answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in. Thanks in advance for any advice. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT HDW question
I just ordered received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm running. What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers? I'm sure that the solution is simple, I probably should know the answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in. Thanks in advance for any advice. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT--SATA problem
Thanks to all who responded. Red face time. I just checked Tiger Direct--they have several SATA cards from $20 to $60. Any particular brand you recommend to a) use or b) stay away from? -mj- Eric Shubert wrote: The problem I referred to was with software/linux raid and raw drives on the promise controller. Just to be clear. As you said they seem to work fine as standalone (no raid) drives. On 09/16/2011 09:27 AM, Stephen wrote: I have never liked promise raid, too flaky. but as just raw drives they are very nice. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Eric Shuberte...@shubes.net wrote: On 09/15/2011 08:29 PM, Stephen wrote: I have a promise sata1 cars with two ports on it. I have a promise pci 4 port sata3 card. These work ok, so long as you don't put a raid-5 array on it. There used to be (2 years or so ago) a fairly rare problem with software raid and these cards. I don't know if the problem applies to other raid types or not, nor whether the problem has been fixed. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: archival storage
I've just recently found out about a company with CD/DVD media/drives which don't use dye layer but actually melt a pit in the media. Here's the company site http://millenniata.com/ and a good article about archival storage in general http://goo.gl/vDwAZ. The drives aren't ready to ship and I was going to pre-order one, but decided to let someone else be the early adopter and have the fun with the low s/n machines. I also had somehow missed or ignored information about JPEG 2000 files, which I should have been using instead of .jpg for my personal storage. For a while it looks like .jpg .tif are still the lingua franca for image exchange, however. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT--SATA problem
I have a desktop system which unfortunately has only two SATA channels, which are used by my primary and backup HDs. I would like to add a particular DVD re-writer which only comes in SATA. Is there an add-in card or something similar available which I can use to allow a third SATA connection? Since the backup HD is used only occasionally to make backups (yes, I know, I should do it more regularly) I guess that I could leave the one device plugged in most of the time and just switch plugs when the other is needed, but I really don't want to do that. Is there such a thing as a SATA switch? Thanks for any ideas you may have! Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Georgian woman cuts off web access to all of Armenia
A few years ago I read of a company that went the whole nine yards to insure net access: dual front ends connecting to two ISPs over two separate cables. They lost the whole thing when a backhoe cut the single underground conduit that the redundant cables were in. Oops! Mark Jarvis Dan Lund wrote: That's the lovely part of redundancy :) It'd be slow, but existent. Then again, circa 1997 the entire eastern seaboard was disconnected from the western united states for a (very small) period of time due to a cable break. That made me feel real good about the whole packet detouring thing... or at least the architects of said network's idea of detouring... --Dan Lund "This day will be a great day in our history - the date of a new revolution, quite as much needed as the old one." --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's diary after the hanging of John Smith in Charles Town, Virginia (now West Virginia) December 2, 1859 On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM, S Kreimeyer skrei...@gmail.com wrote: I met one of the civil engineers whom helped build Denver international airport. He said that they had to work around a fiber optic cable, and that if it were severed the damages were estimated somewhere around $3M/sec. I don't think there's much appreciation for how vulnerable net infrastructure is. On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 16:29 -0700, Jordan Aberle wrote: Pwned. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Entire country loses internet for five hours after woman, 75, slices through cable while scavenging for copper. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access Keith Smith 2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International) : if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to auto-rotate images in a web page window
It's not as clean nice, but if you're using Google's Picasaweb to store images, Picasa will generate slideshow html for you to embed in your web page. The following is from the Picasa helps. Of course, you must be signed in to your Picasaweb page first. On the My Photos page, click your album. Click Link to this album on the right-hand side. Click Embed Slideshow. Choose your slideshow settings, such as image size, captions, and autoplay. Once you've chosen your settings, mark and copy the resulting HTML code. Paste the HTML in the source code for your site. Once the slideshow is embedded in your site, people who click your slideshow will be taken to view your album in PicasaWeb Albums. Unfortunately, on some browsers, the complete code to be copied doesn't always appear in the little box. If it doesn't end with /embed, try with a different browser. Mark Jarvis keith smith wrote: I hear ya! Seems I'm on a perpetual learning curve. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 2/18/11, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: Re: OT: How to auto-rotate images in a web page window To: "Main PLUG discussion list" plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 12:29 PM Thanks Keith. Now I just need to find someone who can build what I need as I don't think I can take on another learning project ;) Joe Viewing the source for http://www.monkeytreephoto.com/ shows the following lines. I suspect they too are using jQuery to rotate their images. And more specifically it look like they are using the jQuery Cycle plugin. !-- include jQuery library -- script src="" type="text/_javascript_"/script !-- include Cycle plugin -- script src="" type="text/_javascript_"/script Keith Smith --- On Fri, 2/18/11, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: OT: How to auto-rotate images in a web page window To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 8:57 AM Recently, I have noticed what seems to be a new (and very nice) feature of gradually rotating images in a window on many web pages, but I can't find out how it is done. Here are a couple of examples: http://www.monkeytreephoto.com/index.php (very slow starting) http://www.filmmakeraccessories.com (six second delay between images) What do I need to get something like this to work on my web pages? I'd like to speed it up a bit and get it to cycle through a variety of images as they are added to a folder starting with the most recently added. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: humor
This was in an article on The Reg, a British e-list whose motto is "Biting the hand that feeds IT". this video, is one of my favorites. The portrayals of Mac, PC, Linux, Google are chillingly true-to-life. Particularly Unix Guy" ... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: XHTML coding question
Any web monkeys out there? I'm using: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN" "http://www.w3c.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd" I have the following in my css file: p.med_web { font-size: 150%; } The following works well. p class="med_web"blah blah blah/p Why doesn't span class="med_web"blah blah blah/span work??? Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: XHTML coding question
That did it! Thanks! -mj- Eric Cope wrote: The p.med_web applies only to p tags with the class = 'med_web'. If you want to generalize, then change your css to : .med_web{ ... } Eric On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: Any web monkeys out there? I'm using: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN" "http://www.w3c.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd" I have the following in my css file: p.med_web { font-size: 150%; } The following works well. p class="med_web"blah blah blah/p Why doesn't span class="med_web"blah blah blah/span work??? Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Fwd: [Wftl-lug] This man need help with his Blackberry
Original Message Subject: [Wftl-lug] This man need help with his Blackberry Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:04:15 -0500 From: John Kerr johneddie.k...@gmail.com Reply-To: The WFTL LUG wftl-...@salmar.com To: wftl-...@salmar.com Blackberry problem Cheers John -- In the fifties they only wanted scientists. Any artsy fartsy people were spies, they still are in society. -- John Lennon ___ Wftl-lug mailing list wftl-...@salmar.com http://mailman.salmar.com/mailman/listinfo/wftl-lug --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Nostalgia, anyone?
I'm doing some house cleaning and throwing out old diskettes, etc. Among them are eight 5.25 floppies containing Tannenbaum's Minux system. In the '90s I bought his Operating Systems book talked my dept. into springing for the Minux floppies using the coupon in the back of the book (I think that they cost $80). Minux, of course is the system that started Linus Torvald on his epic journey that ended with Linux. Does anyone want this piece of history? Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: DVD problem
Why would a DVD player purchased locally refuse to play a DVD I burned? It played OK on my combo tape/DVD box but wouldn't on the other player, citing "wrong country code" or something like that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Editing a PDF file in Windoze
Try http://www.pdftoword.com/. If the file is a true PDF and not an image embedded in a PDF file, they will convert it and email the resulting word file back to you. The resulting file can be edited in Open Office or whatever. BTW, every so often someone sends me a scanned document embedded in a PDF file instead of just sending a JPEG or TIFF file. Why do they do that? I have to use Photoshop to convert it to a standard image format so that I can run it through OCR. Mark Tim Bogart wrote: All, I have been asked to provide information as part of a job application. In the first part of the process, this was done on the web. Now in this next phase, I have been asked to provide information by filling out forms. They would prefer to have an electronic version of this data. Unfortunately, they have sent me a document in .PDF file format. As we all have known for 20 years or more, these files are normally set to disallow editing, as this one is. I'm familiar with pdf2txt and the rest of the manual tools. I could go to the local service bureau and print out twenty of them, but I don't want to spend three days doing this.Open office doesn't seem to be able to open a pdf formatted file. Does anybody know of a free (as in beer or freedom) application that runs on windoze that will allow me to edit this file? I tried something called "Foxit" but it doesn't work as advertised. You can't edit text with it. It acts simply as a viewer. Does anybody have personal experience with something that's free that actually works? TIA, -- Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Tarballs
Maybe this will help. Eric - A wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to learn how to use tarballs but I'm running into a dead-end with the commands I found on a couple of "how-to" pages. The commands I executed are attached and show the commands I used. Any help will do. . Eric - A . Notre Dame Certificates 100% Online Programs in Negotiation Leadership and Mgmt. Enroll Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c66c9882a780756834st02vuc --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss tar_n_gzip.odp Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re:
Make that two votes. (especially for math/science geeks) Notice: first programming language. Having picked up the basics, you can then go on in whatever language seems best for the area you're working (or want to be working) in. Plan on learning at least a half-dozen or a dozen languages during your career. Mark Jarvis Eric Cope wrote: One vote for Fortran! On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Vaughn Treude vltre...@deru.com wrote: On 02/20/2010 08:01 PM, keith smith wrote: I'm old school and would suggest learning plain old C. Then you can branch out to other languages. Keith Smith I second that. C is simple and versatile, and spawned off a whole family of other language such as C++ and Java. Vaughn Treude I would not describe C as simple. It is a small language (low number of reserved words and operators) but it's highly versatile nature and closeness to the hardware makes it very capable and dangerous. And so not simple, in my mind. It has been my bread and butter for 20+ years so I do love it. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: funny
(Copied from the Puns of the Day mail list) Maybe not new, but I liked it . . . Kimberly-Clark, makers of the popular Scott brand of bathroom tissue, today announced its new "HTTP//" brand of bathroom tissue targeted directly to the "digerati" market. Scott Tissue is the world's oldest and best-selling bathroom tissue, available in more countries than any other brand of tissue. Introduced in 1913, Scott Tissue is soft, strong and long lasting with 1,000-sheet rolls. The new "HTTP://" (pronounced "H, T,T, P Colon Slash Slash") tissue will be available in one kilosheet (1024 sheet) rolls instead of the traditional 1000-sheet rolls. "If our test markets are any indicator, the 1K rolls should be a big hit with not only the geeks on the go, but also geeks who've got to go!" Each sheet of the 1K-sheet rolls of "HTTP://" Tissue will feature a different image from a popular web page. The web page images are provided by a number of sponsors, most notably Microsoft Corp., the lead sponsor with over 256 sheets displaying different screen shots from the company's various web sites. In a bold marketing move, Microsoft and Kimberly-Clark agreed to co-market the "HTTP://" Tissue with the slogan, "When Do You Want to Go Today?" --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: DVD RW media ?
When my VCR died I was forced to join the 21st century and get a DVD/VCR combo recorder. I would like to start putting some things on DVDs and also to start recording to rewritable DVDs. I've made a few DVDs, but not many. My recollection is that the DVD-R discs tend to work better in ordinary DVD players. Is this a general consensus? Does the same thing hold for DVD RWs? Is there a brand that is known for particularly good (or bad) results or as a good value for the $? Also advice on where to get them save a $. This group is such an eclectic collection of experts that I'm sure that someone is in a position to give some good advice here. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: DVD RW media ?
Apparently the wording on my original post was poor. I'm looking for media recommendations for use in the DVD combo I just hooked up to my TV: 1) DVD-R vs DVD+R 2) DVD-RW vs DVD+RW 3) Brand recommendation (good) 4) Brand recommendation (avoid) 5) Good local source (if any) 6) Good internet order source. Comments on any of the above will be appreciated. Thanks, -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: When my VCR died I was forced to join the 21st century and get a DVD/VCR combo recorder. I would like to start putting some things on DVDs and also to start recording to rewritable DVDs. I've made a few DVDs, but not many. My recollection is that the DVD-R discs tend to work better in ordinary DVD players. Is this a general consensus? Does the same thing hold for DVD RWs? Is there a brand that is known for particularly good (or bad) results or as a good value for the $? Also advice on where to get them save a $. This group is such an eclectic collection of experts that I'm sure that someone is in a position to give some good advice here. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT (sort of): Hardware ?
I'm somewhat disappointed that this motherboard has only two memory slots. They are different colors, whatever that means with only two slots. Eric Shubert wrote: Mark Jarvis wrote: With the holiday season over, I decided to upgrade my system from 1GB to 2GB RAM. The memory I had was DDR2-800 Memory Expert from Adata. The place I'd originally bought the motherboard memory from no longer carried that brand, but their tech guy said that other brands, for example Kingston, should work with it with no problem. (Yeah, Right!) I had a gift card from Fry's burning a hole in my pocket, so I got a 1GB DDR2-800 Kingston stick at Fry's. Now the problem. Either stick alone shows as DDR2-800 in POST. Both together show as DDR2-667. GR! I can : 1) Live with it. It's only a 16-17% drop in speed. 2) Take it back, get another Kingston or another brand (Patriot?), cross my fingers hope. 3) Take it back and order a matching Adata stick online. 4) Buy another Kingston 1GB to make a pair and try to sell the old Adata for $10 or $15. Any suggestions? I'm not an expert on memory, but I'll chime in anyhow. ;) Is this a dual channel MB? If so, I would try putting them on separate channels (different colored slots). My understanding is that matching memory sticks for dual channel mode (cards in samed colored slots) is hit and miss, even w/in the same brand. That being said, if you decide to try to get back to 800, I would go the Kingston route. I recently received a 1G Kingston stick in a trade transaction that was bad. Kingston customer service was very good. The stick had a lifetime warranty, and they replaced it with no problem (I only had to pay shipping). I asked at the time about pairing it up for dual channel use, and they said that if I had 2 Kingston sticks that didn't work together in dual channel mode, that they would replace them with 2 that were paired. Again, I would only need to pay shipping. If you want that kind of service, make sure your ram has a lifetime warranty. Some does, some doesn't. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: hardware
Good points. Either could have been the problem and I was hoping that one of them was--much simpler/cheaper to fix. I didn't mention in the original post, but I did pull the memory sticks one at a time (it had two 512MB sticks). Barring a sudden failure of both, that wasn't the problem. I also wondered about a PSU failure and checked voltages--they were good, even if the color coding on the wires was weird. AAMOF it's running the new mobo just fine. Technomage wrote: I noticed one thing missing in that check: the ram. some of the newer machines won't post or even report an error code anymore (series of beeps or blinking lights). have you checked to see if the ram is still good? was the beep a short single or a long single? was there more than one? also, the simplest thing that can go wrong is usually a PSU failure (and depending on how it goes it *can* tank the motherboard or the cpu or any peripherals you have connected). Mark Jarvis wrote: My wife's computer suddenly decided to quit displaying ANYTHING--POST included, even after replacing the video card, video cable, and monitor with known good ones from my box. I even disconnected ALL peripherals. I ended up with the conclusion that the motherboard had gone to the great bit bucket in the sky. I suspect that it was the motherboard that went, not the processor, but don't know for certain. FWIW, while I was checking things out I could hear the initial "beep" and the HDs start up. The CPU was a 2.x Ghz AMD Athlon 64. If anyone wants the CPU--with or without motherboard attached, they're welcome to it. Just come by get it. I live near Central Glendale in Phoenix, email me off list if interested. Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: hardware
My wife's computer suddenly decided to quit displaying ANYTHING--POST included, even after replacing the video card, video cable, and monitor with known good ones from my box. I even disconnected ALL peripherals. I ended up with the conclusion that the motherboard had gone to the great bit bucket in the sky. I suspect that it was the motherboard that went, not the processor, but don't know for certain. FWIW, while I was checking things out I could hear the initial "beep" and the HDs start up. The CPU was a 2.x Ghz AMD Athlon 64. If anyone wants the CPU--with or without motherboard attached, they're welcome to it. Just come by get it. I live near Central Glendale in Phoenix, email me off list if interested. Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: hardware
I forgot to mention that after a motherboard transplant my wife now has a hot 3GHz system with 2GB memory. I also finally installed the two 250 GB SATA drives that had been sitting around for months waiting for a good time to put them in. -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: My wife's computer suddenly decided to quit displaying ANYTHING--POST included, even after replacing the video card, video cable, and monitor with known good ones from my box. I even disconnected ALL peripherals. I ended up with the conclusion that the motherboard had gone to the great bit bucket in the sky. I suspect that it was the motherboard that went, not the processor, but don't know for certain. FWIW, while I was checking things out I could hear the initial "beep" and the HDs start up. The CPU was a 2.x Ghz AMD Athlon 64. If anyone wants the CPU--with or without motherboard attached, they're welcome to it. Just come by get it. I live near Central Glendale in Phoenix, email me off list if interested. Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Two Questions
1) My daughter left her SanDisk iPod-type mp3 player plugged into a USB port on my machine. When I tried to boot, the machine would not even do a normal memory check and stopped short. Multiple times. When I finally noticed the dern mp3 player and unplugged it, everything was fine. On occasion I have also seen that a plugged in flash drive has messed up the boot. Just curious--why would this happen? 2) A friend has a Canon Pixma IP 1500 printer that he's trying to get working on his Ubuntu 9.04 installation. Although the IP 2000 is supported, the 1500 is not. He's managed to find, download, and install drivers for it (quite impressive for someone that is very new to Linux) but is now stumped by a "missing filter" message. I've never had to jump through the hoops that he's already done and don't really know what sort of a filter could be missing. Any suggestions? >From the specs, the (unsupported) IP 1500 seem to be the same basic engine as the (supported) IP 2000, just degraded slightly in speed memory. I've faked out systems before by telling the add printer wizard that I really had a similar--but supported--printer, but that was with an LPT connection. How does one do something similar with a USB connection? (I'm hampered here in that I'm trying to help via phone and haven't actually seen his box or the choices on his screen.) This should be the easiest way to get him up running. We'll both greatly appreciate any help. Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: USB Thumb Drive Issues?
Mike, I had something similar happen to me several years ago when flash drives were new. I went to the maker's web site and got the solution. I really don't remember any details, like whether the solution was in a FAQ or whether I had to email them. but it did work. I sort of remember downloading and running something. Sorry, but it was a long time ago. Still, try and see what PNY has to say. I have used Linux partitioning tools to repartition a 512MB flash drive into a 64MB ext3 partition and a 448MB FAT32 (aka vfat) partition. That suggests that another possibility (after first copying your files off the drive to a safe place) is to delete and then re-create the FAT32 partition on the drive. Of course, if the write protect switch is some sort of sneaky, low level, semi-firmware type switch, the partitioner may not be able to touch it either. Good Luck, Mark jarvis unixprgrm...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, Don't know if you have solved the problem yet but there are a few of ways to view what is ACTUALLY on the drive. These all take advantage of the fact that in UNIX all devices are treated like files and all files 'can' in most circumstances... be treated like devices. mount the drive and then do: cat [full drive path] /tmp/foo Then do vi /tmp/foo strings [full drive path] | more OR for a MORE detailed view od -c [full drive path] | more There are still other methods but these are 3 of the simplest and give various degrees of detail. All require some time commitment depending on the number files that are hidden etc. etc. Familiarity with directory and file delimiting control/escape chars and the "FILE" structure is helpful. Good luck! Lynn On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: I have a 4GB PNY thumb drive that has issues? It has become "Write Protected". It is an Optima pro Attache. I searched the net and nothing that I have found has helped me out. Has any one in the group had this happen to them and how did you remove the write protection. I cannot see any special files on it except 2 of my own. Any suggestions out there? Thanks Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Cheapy Mc Cheap Cheap cell phone?
Four or five years ago, my wife I got a pair of really low end cell phones (no camera, no pictures) that came with T-Mobile pre-paid capability. I primed each with $100 for a year's service and 1000 minutes. At the end of the first year I re-upped for a second year ($100 for me, $25 for her because she seldom uses hers). The minutes that she hadn't used carried over to the new year. Other renewals have been similar (except for the time I didn't renew before the year ran out, but we won't talk about that). That's $0.10 per minute and $8+ per month if you use most of the 1000 minutes in a year. Obviously the cell phones are primarily for emergencies or for calling someone when you're out need something, like the time I called the Dr's office to say "We're at the address that the phone book gave, but...). No complaints about T-Mobile's service. Mark Jarvis Ryan Rix wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey guys, So, my dad had his cell phone service through Qwest for quiet a while now... A 15$/month 30 minute plan with the cheapest phone they had available, basically just to use in emergencies or to call me when he is driving to pick me up from somewhere. A little while ago, my dad got a letter from Qwest saying they were discontinuing their cellular service and he'd have to go elsewhere for cellular. Basically, he wants to pay as little as humanly possible to use his cellphone. I think last month he racked up a whopping four minutes of cellular usage, so having a plan with OVER 9000 minutes a month is simply unnecessary. We looked at a few pre-paid plans, specifically verizon's plans, but after doing the math, it seemed that there was no way to simply say 'I want to only pay .25$ for every minute I use' without preloading, at minimum, 400 minutes. Which expire every 30 days. I also suggested that he just get one of those cheap-o phones they sell at drug stores and grocery stores, but we kind of worry what the cellular service would be like. He travels up north fairly often (show low, pinetop, etc) and often is in areas where his Qwest phone did not get a signal, whereas my Verizon phone did. Where could he get a working cell phone, preferably free or less than 100$ with a pay per minute plan with minutes that either don't expire or can be loaded (or billed automatically!) in tiny increments? This is probably a hopeless cause given how MaBell-ish cell phone companies have become lately... : - -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrcxXkACgkQqbqTmzp42OHIQQCfTtSc1szevNMbswO+K7t4vN8j XWUAniRUfyiRr3AFGIZZWW6H3+SHQ6iG =sdVW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SATA drive problem
EIDE drives can connect to the primary channel (POST calls it channel 0), master slave and to the secondary channel (channel 1) master slave for a possible total of 4 devices. Before one of my disks started dying all this started I had three HDs and a DVD. My motherboard also has two SATA connectors--which POST calls channels 2 3. I've added one SATA drive to the system on channel 2. At the moment, the second SATA connector--channel 3--is unused. I'll add a second SATA drive once I'm sure that everything is working. Although I didn't lose any data, that dying drive has cost me at least 12 very uncomfortable hours. -mj- Bob Elzer wrote: Silly question, but if it's a SATA drive, how did you install it on an IDE slot ? From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Jarvis Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:49 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: SATA drive problem Final result: Here's a better statement of what I thought were my problems with the new SATA drive on Linux: Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome's File Browser showed ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and did not show the new drive. When I brought up Gnome's gparted, it saw the new drive just fine--but as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. (POST identifies it as Channel 2 Master.) Solutions: I found out that starting at least one major kernel revision ago, drives are enumerated in the order that they are discovered during the boot process. So the SATA drive was the first drive found. Then, when I re-booted after updating my system, Gnome's file browser dropped the ghosts and found the new SATA drive OK, so that problem went away. Problems solved, I learned a few things, and I didn't have to re-install. Except for installing updates and re-booting, I didn't have to do anything to Linux for it to use the SATA drive. Also, apparently I'm not the only person to have found that if sda is also the Setup boot drive, then a linux installation on sdb will alter sda's MBR. I still don't understand all I know on this, but I'm going to continue to be a pragmatist: "If it works, use it." Again, Thanks to all who responded, Mark Jarvis Eric Shubert wrote: So would you care to fill us in a bit? Mark Jarvis wrote: Thanks to all those who have responded. I think that I now have a pretty fair idea of the way Linux today assigns device labels. Also, when I re-booted after updating my system, the file browser dropped the ghosts and found the new SATA drive OK, so that problem went away. Once again, thanks to all who responded. -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slavea DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work" Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated.
Re: SATA drive problem
Thanks to all those who have responded. I think that I now have a pretty fair idea of the way Linux today assigns device labels. Also, when I re-booted after updating my system, the file browser dropped the ghosts and found the new SATA drive OK, so that problem went away. Once again, thanks to all who responded. -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work" Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
SATA drive problem
Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work" Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SATA drive problem
Since the IDs for the three disks were sda, sdb, and sdc before I added the SATA drive, Ubuntu apparently implements all HD drivers as part of the SCSI code tree. It made sense that channel 0 master was sda, channel 0 slave was sdb, and channel 1 master was sdc. What doesn't make sense to me is that the SATA drive--channel 2 master--became sda. I would have expected sdd or sde or something like that. Where can I find info on tweaking Ubuntu's HD recognition? -mj- Steven A. DuChene wrote: The drivers for SATA disk controllers are implemented as part of the SCSI code tree and thus show up as sdX drives rather than hdX This is a normal condition. As far as the "ghosting" showing up in Gnome's File Browser I have no clue. -Original Message- From: Mark Jarvis <m.jar...@cox.net> Sent: Oct 1, 2009 2:28 AM To: plug <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> Subject: SATA drive problem Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work" Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SATA drive problem
OOPS! the first question should read: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 2 show up as sda? Mark Jarvis wrote: Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work" Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PLUG governance, etc.
I mostly just read the posts I'm interested in and occasionally ask a question. I think that PLUG works just fine as it is--If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Mark Jarvis Alan Dayley wrote: Another thread about the sonoran penguin and making a theme for the website surfaced some discussion about the governance of PLUG. I'd like to enlighten that a little bit. The Steering Committee --- PLUG has a Steering Committee, members in no particular order: - Hans, a.k.a. der.hans (p...@lufthans.com) is Committee Chair because we decided that he was. - Brian Cluff (br...@snaptek.com) still baby sits the server from time to time and was host of the East Side Meeting for many years. - Alexander Henry (alexanderhe...@cox.net) who, years ago, decided we needed Install Fest on a monthly basis, found a location and makes sure it happens. - Joseph Sinclair (plug-discuss...@stcaz.net) a very smart developer and good guy who fills in the gaps and provides great programming knowledge along with organizational skill. - Me, who has historically mastered the web site and hosted the Developer Meeting for 6 or so years. There was one other who moved from Arizona some time back. There have been others in the past who we thank. Other Volunteers --- There are others who help and do things, like Lisa, because they want to. Nothing in PLUG could happen without people like them. Authority --- The authority of the committee is perhaps derived, as Joshua pointed out, by owning the domain name and having root password on the server. There is no other authority structure. No bylaws or written rules. The group depends on the Steering Committee and defers to them to run the relatively small day-to-day issues and make meetings happen. If the group or a large part of the group were to want to take over or fork, what's to stop them? Nothing. Money --- PLUG has no legal entity to handle money. There isn't any. Events and Work --- PLUG has events and does any work because someone paid for it, worked it, promoted it. Or, nothing happens. My Comments --- Over the years I have researched and email or IRC interviewed participants of other LUGs. I made a special point to seek out LUGs that had problems resulting in dissolution or splits. The root cause of every LUG that experienced significant problems was power or money. No surprise, I suppose. This is big reason why PLUG has not gone the direction of formal structure and donations. It mostly avoids such problems. It also blocks some good things. Where there is passion, things happen. Where there is passion, disagreements happen. Any organization that wants to make things happen needs passion but must survive the conflicts that arise. How does one create such an organization without the down sides? You can't. The down sides will happen so many people turn to rules and by-laws, i.e. contracts, to minimize the down sides. I suppose it works for the most part or people would come up with new structures with which to do it. There are new ways to do these things but PLUG may not be able to handle it. I am beginning to accept that PLUG will not grow and thrive without a more formal structure and maybe even money. Scary thought to me, knowing the history of other LUGs and volunteer groups. At the same time, the risk may be worth it for the gains that could be made. The Points --- My point is that PLUG is what the members make of it. The Steering Committee has no legal means of controlling the group beyond persuasion and respect, if given. So, if anyone want to suggest a change, create something, push an agenda, please do. In an open and transparent manner. If anyone thinks the Steering Committee is out of line, doing wrong, whatever, please speak up. Right now PLUG is in a low passion mood, has been for a long time. (Except maybe politics!) If you have a passion for something Linux/FS/OSS related, speak up. Rather that then we just plod along, enjoying our Freedom only amongst ourselves. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I Love it! Lisa Kachold wrote: Just like it says! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cabling
OUCH!! Jim March wrote: Along the way, y'all can answer one of the great philosophical questions: "Wire we here?" --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
O the "joys" of standing in line to use one of the department's hulking 026 (later 029) keypunches, the tricks of duping a card up to the point where you needed to either add or delete punches and then holding one card while letting the other feed. Heaven forbid if you dropped a 2000 card box or a 3000 card tray and the cards weren't sequenced in cols. 73-80. You learned quickly to sequence by 10s or 20s or even 100s to leave room for the inevitable insertions. It was well into the 70s or early 80s before we trusted tapes and disks enough to give up our trusty file cabinets full of card decks. The binary cards from punched object decks could be folded at one end to make a point, arranged stapled on cardboard in concentric circles (point out), and sprayed gold to make a very pretty Christmas wreath. We still have one tucked away with the old Christmas stuff. Although it's somewhat the worse for wear, it's probably the only one left in existence. Although I wouldn't give anything for the experiences of those days, I wouldn't do them again for anything, either. Mark Jarvis old IBM GE mainframe, 80s PC, and 90s Unix veteran. Lyle Tuttle wrote: At 04:33 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards I am..while the SDS computer system (16K core) ran 5 real-time experiments on the face of the reactor...and another x-ray diffraction counter in another area...careful!! Don't drop those!!! That was a long time ago. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: book to CD/DVD ?
I have access to an out of print genealogy/family history book which was previously cut apart, scanned and copies made (I didn't get one.). I'd like to scan it in again but this time put the scanned pages on a CD or DVD. Does anyone know of a reputable shop that they would recommend for this? I could scan the pages myself and burn the resulting discs, but would prefer to find a source for making commercially pressed disks. My understanding is that the actual bumps in the pressed versions are more permanent that the lasered dye layers in home burned discs. If anyone can point me to where I can read up on preferred scan resolution, output format, general information, etc. for such a project, I'd appreciate it. I don't know enough about the necessary details to even guess whether a 200+ page book would fit on a CD or would require a DVD. Please reply on-list if this is of somewhat general interest, off-list to m.jar...@cox.net if not. Thanks again for any help, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: book to CD/DVD ?
Great info--Thanks! -mj- Matt Graham wrote: From: Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net I'd like to scan it in again but this time put the scanned pages on a CD or DVD. Does anyone know of a reputable shop that they would recommend for this? I could scan the pages myself, but would prefer to find a source for making pressed disks. Any place that does scanning would be able to do this, but you'll pay quite a bit of $ for pressed disks. Setup for that is really expensive, and you're probably only going to press 10 or so copies. I'd say it's totally not worth it. An audio CD I burned 9.5 years ago has been living in my car for 9.5 years and still works fine, so storing a burned data CD in the dark and at room temp should work for double that. If anyone can point me to where I can read up on preferred scan resolution, output format, general information, etc Text: 300 DPI Group4 TIFF, black-n-white Black-n-white pictures: 300 DPI LZW TIFF, grayscale Color pictures: 300 DPI LZW TIFF, RGB ...200 8.5x11" pages in 300 DPI Group4 TIFF will fit in 100M. Modify for how these pages are set up; grayscale and color use up a lot more space because Group4 is insanely efficient. TIFF is pretty future-proof and is lossless unless you do something silly like use JPEG-TIFF. (Yeah, I worked extensively with scanning and TIFFs at my old job.) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Install 9.04, update disk
Ubuntu 8.10 9.04 come in two flavors, std. AMD64. My system happens to be an AMD 64 bit system and the std. version hung on it (the AMD64 version works fine.) I believe that there was some comment on the Ubuntu site for 8.10 that the AMD64 should be tried if there was a problem with the std. version. Another system at school, one that I did not expect to be either Intel or AMD 64 bit (but may have been) would only boot correctly from the AMD64 CD. Just my $0.25 worth ($0.02 adjusted for inflation). -mj- Matthew A Coulliette wrote: Hi everyone, I am trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 on another computer and it is giving me a lot of trouble. The computer boots from the install cdrom like normal. Then, I select install and it will start the process and then it will hang on me. I have tried installing Debian; with Debian it did almost the whole install and then hung when it tried to install the graphics driver. The computer has a Quadro FX 3000 graphics card. I believe that this is the cause of my problems. On the hello screen that is loaded from the installation disk there are F4 options. I tried using "graphics safe mode" and it did not work. I would like to try, "use driver update disk" next. So, how do I make this disk for my graphics card and how do I use it for the installation process? Thanks in advance for your replies. - MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: List of Command Line Tools
Try this for a very basic list of commands. Sorry, it doesn't include such things as writing CDs or DVDs or downloading/upgrading programs or lots of things that can be done with the utilities that come with the standard desktop. Check out "Linux Cookbook" by Carla Schroder. Great book! -mj- Matthew A Coulliette wrote: Hi all, Every once in a while someone mentions that: "they use the command line for that", where "that" means almost "anything". Example: someone just mentioned that they use the command line for email. I was wondering if people that use the command line a lot could list a few of the programs they use and what they are used for. Example: Irssi: instant messenger for irc channels. Thanks. MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss unix_commands.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text UNIX Commands (Remember: RTFMP) Command Purpose alias Creates an alias for a command awk Start the awk program to select and format output cal Show the system calendar cat Create or display or concatenate files cd Change directories chmod Set file or directory permissions clear Clear the screen (terminal window) commCompare two files, output common lines cp Copy a file cut Extract specified columns or fields from a file dateDisplay the system date and time df Report information about file systems diffCompare two files, output lines that differ du Report disk usage of current/subdirectories echoCopy to stdout exitExit UNIX (also CTRL-D) export Makes a local variable an environment variable findSearch in a directory and all its subdirectories gawkGnu awksee awk grepSearch for a string of characters in a text file headDisplay the first few lines of a file killterminate one or more process ids lessDisplay a long file one screen at a time, scroll up down logout Exit UNIX (also CTRL-D) lpr Print files ls Display directory contents mailSend email from the command line or read mail man Display the online manual for a command mkdir Make a new directory moreDisplay a long file one screen at a time, scroll down mount Connect filesystems to a directory tree mount point mv Move/rename files nawkNew awksee awk passwd Change password paste Combine fields from two or more files pr Format a file for printing to stdout printenv Prints a list of environment variables to stdout (see set) pwd Print working (current) directory rm Remove (delete) file rmdir Remove an empty directory sed Apply editor commands to a (usually large) file set Set environment variables or print to stdout (see printenv) set -o noclobberPrevents files from being overwritten by sh Execute a shell script sleep Wait for a specified number of seconds sortSort a file tailDisplay the last few lines of a file tee Accept stdin and send it to both stdout and a file touch Update an existing files date/time stamp or create empty file tr Translate characters trapExecutes a command on receipt of a signal from UNIX umount Disconnect filesystems from a directory tree mount point unique Remove adjacent duplicate lines
Re: Why Wubi is the stupidest idea in Linux history...NOT!
Someone who has never known anything but Windoze and who wants to try (or has been talked into trying) Linux wants to do so with an absolute guarantee that their precious Windoze installation won't be hurt or permanently affected. If Ubuntu is the trial distro, that means either a live CD or Wubi. As anyone who has used a live CD for any length of time knows, it's a royal pain. The boot is slow, it runs slowly, if you want to save anything, you've got to be careful to save it to a flash drive, and aside from what you put on a flash drive, everything is new each time you boot. Wubi isn't perfect, but it has the live CD beat all hollow for anything more than a short term look-see. Best of all, if you decide to either do a "real" install or--heaven forbid--dump it, a simple uninstall from the Windoze control panel gets rid of it. Live CD and Wubi are for those dipping a toe into the Linux water, but neither is a good solution for more-or-less permanent use. So what's all the fuss? -mj- Ryan Rix wrote: Or, you know, a dual bootable setup is deathly easy with the ubuntu installer and as was pointed out, much safer... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Matthew A Coulliette matthew...@cox.net wrote: Hi, I think wubi is a great idea. It reminds me of the OpenCD project that had all multi-platform software on it. The idea was to make it easier for windows and apple people to gain linux experience. After having read this thread, I am thinking about installing it on a friend's computer. He has never used linux before, and I think this would be a great way for him to try it out. MatthewMPP Bishmer Sekaran wrote: If it wasn't for Wubi I'd have to use Winblows at work. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Router problem
Thanks to all who responded last month to my router question. Status report after a month: I did a system reset and installed the new firmware version I'd downloaded from Linksys. Result to date: No instances of router dropping and needing the 30sec. off/on treatment. Twice I thought I had a drop, but both times it was Cox who dropped my whole neighborhood. Case closed. I'm happy. -mj- Lisa Kachold wrote: Be sure that you hold down the reset button until the lights flash to reset. Try both 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 with the ethernet device plugged in, and get an automatic DHCP address. Once you get into it, flash it with this? http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/downloads/stable/dd-wrt.v22/dd-wrt.v22-final-r2.zip or just upgrade it with this first. http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1175238794052pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=9405239789B02 You can always reflash it with LinkSys open source software firmware later if OpenWRT is hated. http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/support/WRT54GL/download Here's the documentation related to how to setup that device from Cisco: http://downloads.linksysbycisco.com/downloads/WRT54GL_V11_UG_C-Web,0.pdf Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:23:18 -0700 From: charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Router problem Mark Jarvis wrote: Before I spend the $$ for a new router, I decided to try upgrading the firmware on what I have. I went to Linksys.com downloaded a firmware upgrade. I was going to do the recommended backup of the router settings before installing it, but I can't connect to the the blasted router! As instructed, I tried connecting to http://192.168.1.1/. I've tried from Seamonkey, Mozilla, IE7 and get "Network Timeout" from all. Are you connecting to it from wired or wireless connection? I believe the default system is to block remote management from wireless connections. -Charles Hotmail is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: WRT54G questions
Wow! What a lot of posts! Thanks to all who responded--looks like I have several things to try. FWIW, my WRT54G has a space then a V8 following the model number, so I guess that it's a version 8. It also responds to a ping to 192.168.1.1. Thanks again! -mj- Charles Lewton wrote: I noticed this link while looking at a Netgear router I saw at Fry's. http://www.myopenrouter.com/ Chuck On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: I know that there is a WRT54GL model as well. Is the WRT54G capable of running various WRT firmwares like the GL model? Also, there a slew of different WRT54G versions (hardware). How significant are the variations is versions WRT (with respect to) free firmware replacements? -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Ubuntu Live CD Question
We recently obtained a used Dell notebook for my wife. The DVD drive was toast, so I bought an external/USB DVD drive to use. Wanting to test it on some Linux things, I tried booting from an Ubuntu 8.10 Live CD. After it failed to boot from the CD (no surprise), booting instead into Windows, the Ubuntu 8.10 Live CD was still in the drive. After a while, the CD did an autorun and offered to install as an application under windows--with two caveats: 1) hibernation was disabled, and 2) "disk performance will be slightly reduced." Questions: 1) Has anyone out there done this? 2) How well does it work? 3) Is disk performance under both Windows Linux affected? How much? 4) When I'm through playing with it, does it uninstall cleanly? Thanks for any help, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for a good and inexpensive Linux Sys Admin class
I will be teaching the PVCC class in the spring and there is always or permission of instructor, which is not hard to get if you have a decent *nix background. The big problem is getting enough students that the class will make. It's a fun class. Mark Jarvis koder wrote: Paradise Valley will be doing a sys admin in the spring, but they want a Linux OS course that they are offering this fall as a pre-requisite Only three seats left for fall course. Harold -Original Message- From: Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: PLUG plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Looking for a good and inexpensive Linux Sys Admin class Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:25:43 -0700 I was going to take the Linux sys admin class at MCC, but the times are not good for me, not to mention the cost of gas for driving from Scottsdale to MCC. Any suggestions for a good sys admin class for Linux? I have been playing around for a few years with Debian, and now I have 6 computers (4 Debian, 2 Windows) on my LAN that I support/maintain/. I think it might be time to start filling in the gaps of what I have learned hands on with some formal training. I need to keep the cost down to something comparable to SCC/MCC classes. Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: WAY too much--but Rube Goldberg would be proud
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(semi OT) For those that remember (and those that don't)
Found on slashdot: Hardware: The 305 RAMAC — First Commercial Hard Drive Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Monday December 10, @03:15PM from the looking-back-for-perspective dept. Data Storage Captain DaFt writes Snopes.com has an article that gives an interesting look back at the first commercial hard drive, the IBM 350. Twice as big as a refrigerator and weighing in at a ton, it packed a whopping 4.4MB! Compare that to the 1-4GB sticks that most of us have on our keychains today. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ubuntu book
I second the recommendation of Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional. I found it a very good book. Moving to Ubuntu Linux (also paperback) by Marcel Gagne is also good. -mj- Dazed_75 wrote: On 10/24/07, betty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there an ubuntu book (real book, not on-line notes or user groups) that anyone likes a lot? i like to have a REAL book when i'm learning something new. any recommendations? Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional (Paperback) by Keir Thomas (Author) is a big favorite. There are currently two editions. The latest is based on ubuntu 6.10 so is now a year out of date. Not a surprise when they release every 6 months. I do not know what the differences are or when there will/might be a third edition, The publisher is Apress at http://www/apress.com where they also sell it as an ebook for $20 though I know you want paper. The paper copy is $40 or you can try http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Ubuntu-Linux-Novice-Professional/dp/1590596277 where they have paper for about $20 (may be 1st edition). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Funny
Too good not to share. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070816mode=classic -mj- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: handheld scanners
I just checked I have a CueCat that I never got around to tossing. If you'd like it, contact me off line. I've seen posts (but don't remember where) with pointers to sites with hacks. -mj- Matt Graham wrote: On Friday 03 August 2007 10:16, after a long battle with technology, Nathan Aubrey wrote: I am looking for a handheld scanner that works in linux. I have a catalog system with barcodes and I want to be able to scan the barcode and have the computer read the number associated with it. Does anyone use anything like this? ISTR that when the CueCat was around, a fair number of people used it to do just that. There was a kernel module and everything. It was so long ago that I'm fuzzy on the specifics, but google://linux cuecat will probably turn up the whole story. The results should also provide 1 or 2 starting points for non-CueCat barcode scanners that work with minimal hassle. (I could've *had* a CueCat; we found one 2 weeks ago while going through old junk. But no, I thought I'd never need or want a PS/2 barcode scanner, so it got junked) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Questions regarding Qwest.
I think that it's very much a ymmv situation. We have the complete Cox package--digital cable, internet, and phone--and while I wouldn't claim that they're perfect, once we got past some initial problems, it's been pretty good. When we had Qworst phone service we lost it much more often than our cable connection. Plus, although we live in what is now regarded as central Phoenix, I was consistantly told Sorry, DSL is not available for you. -mj- Matt Graham wrote: Recent discussion on this mailing list (as well as scuttlebutt from cow-orkers) has made it obvious that Cox is a terrible choice as far as ISPs go. So, how does Qwest stack up? Obviously, they use PPPoE, but that's not a huge deal so long as all it requires is editing rp-pppoe's config file appropriately. There was nothing in their FAQ about NNTP/newsgroups/Usenet, which probably means I'll have to obtain an account with news.individual.net or something. Can any Qwest users confirm or deny that they have or don't have an NNTP server? Thanks, --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss