Re: OT:
Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT:
On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist's rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Nice segue! ;-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT:
didn't work for me either. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-** maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-** 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I think seceding is a grand *idea* but then what about all the people who depend on the government for sustenance (social security)? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Joe Gibbs joegibbs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is OT topic by a lot. Please keep politics and religion off a tech blog, unless of course you want to be added to the ignore list and ALL your posts are tossed into the trash pile without being read. If I wanted to read about someone's personal politics I would go to one of the many sites on the internet for that special interest group. Please do the same. Joe Gibbs On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT:
I was investigating things and: Getting a WebGL Implementation http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it. Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant?? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: didn't work for me either. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote: Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-** maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-** 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT:
Mine works. Version 20.0.1132.47 Ubuntu 12.04 (144678) On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I was investigating things and: Getting a WebGL Implementation http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it. Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant?? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: didn't work for me either. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote: Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-** maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-** 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT:
nope that wasn't the problem! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I was investigating things and: Getting a WebGL Implementation http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it. Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant?? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: didn't work for me either. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote: Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-** maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-** 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
May I point out that winning a war doesn't make you right... nor does it make the opposition any more compliant in the long term... If at first you don't secede, try and try again. :) On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlClURYACgkQv5BYD41Uknk9RwCfYvKe32kGL5fEA2HLInbh5Smb AxAAoOIyTrM/ET9WWjG5UYAWo0H6CgpJ =IN4v -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Who will fight against it? The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the Supremes? This is different. This is all the states against the federal government. The federal government gets it's power from the people. If the people withdraw, then there is not federal government. The states created the federal government. If all 50 states walk there is not federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together. Very different. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Is this true? Cool! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each state that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The question is what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The colonists only had support from about 20% of the population. How much does each state need? Eric On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Tom Haws tom.h...@gmail.com wrote: What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Is this true? Cool! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I think that people that don't like the way the country is going should move to texas and then only teas seceed. There already is a provision in their founding documents that they could separate into 3 states. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each state that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The question is what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The colonists only had support from about 20% of the population. How much does each state need? Eric On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Tom Haws tom.h...@gmail.com wrote: What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Is this true? Cool! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I call that statement bull crap. Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the residents want to give up. Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I don't like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Who will fight against it? The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the Supremes? This is different. This is all the states against the federal government. The federal government gets it's power from the people. If the people withdraw, then there is not federal government. The states created the federal government. If all 50 states walk there is not federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together. Very different. Keith Smith --- On *Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net* wrote: From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.comwrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
What if we turn that on it head - 180 degrees out and say anyone who does not what to follow the Constitution should find a place where they fit in. It's about the Constitution and nothing else. If someone wants to be a socialist why not move to a socialist country? Keith Smith --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:09 PM I think that people that don't like the way the country is going should move to texas and then only teas seceed. There already is a provision in their founding documents that they could separate into 3 states. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each state that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The question is what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The colonists only had support from about 20% of the population. How much does each state need? Eric On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Tom Haws tom.h...@gmail.com wrote: What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Is this true? Cool! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Ok, maybe I was not completely clear. To stay on point, my statement was not about whether it was valid or about who was doing what. My point was IF all 50 states decided to secede then who will stop them and I was drawing a contrast between the Civil War and what potentially is going on today. The Civil War was possible because there were states who seceded and there were states that stood with the Federal Government. This is a much different situation. IF and I say IF all 50 stated really decided to secede who can stop them? That was my point. I agree most people, to include myself, do not want to secede, however you must read between the lines. This is a warning to the Federal Government to get inline with the Constitution or further action will be taken. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Joe Gibbs joegibbs...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joe Gibbs joegibbs...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:21 PM I call that statement bull crap. Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the residents want to give up. Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I don't like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Who will fight against it? The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the Supremes? This is different. This is all the states against the federal government. The federal government gets it's power from the people. If the people withdraw, then there is not federal government. The states created the federal government. If all 50 states walk there is not federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together. Very different. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I'll second that. :) Take away my motivation/reward to do more than I need to and guess what... I'll stop. Health care is expensive mostly because of governmental regulations/bureaucracy. If I created a medical device that would magically cure cancer guess what my odds would be of getting it in the hands of a Doctor legally? Almost zero unless I had enough money to grease the way. If they wanted to make healthcare affordable they'd band all of the governmental agencies in the world that act as gatekeepers into one partnership and once a drug/device is in it's in for everywhere *and vice versa.* Our federal government somehow took the power that was supposed to reside in the states and the people using the commerce clause (and because they got away with it enough to make it 'normal'). They take money from one state and give it to another with strings attached to maintain their power... then of course if you look at our money itself it's not based on anything tangible and the Federal Govt can have the Federal reserve print money whenever they need more. I'd rather pay ALL of my taxes to AZ and let AZ decide how much it can give to the Federal Govt. Not that it'll ever happen. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: What if we turn that on it head - 180 degrees out and say anyone who does not what to follow the Constitution should find a place where they fit in. It's about the Constitution and nothing else. If someone wants to be a socialist why not move to a socialist country? Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Thanks no. And I find this inappropriate for this list. On Nov 14, 2012 4:17 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss You /do/ realize there is really NO provision for states to break away right? This whole petition thing is bogus. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I've been watching this and a number of other issues unfold over that last 4 or 5 days. We definitely live in interesting times. I whole heatedly agree we need to fix our relationship with the federal government, and believe me I would love to secede, however I think it might be destructive in the end. My main concern is the US may be what is keeping the world from self destructing. If we break into 50 different countries, we lose that strength. For instance what happens to all the nukes we have all over the planet? What about our navy what happens to it? I propose the 50 states create an alliance to nullify anything the federal government does that is not constitutional. This is lawful and we have the right under the 10th Amendment. We can start by requiring all taxes sent to the federal government go through the states. The states should hold back 80% of it. I would guess everyone thinks the federal government is out of control. If we stand together we can do this. Remember the states created the federal government not the other way around. The 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 11/14/12, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:10 PM The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Any contract can be broken. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 11/14/12, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.net wrote: From: Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.net Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:30 PM On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss You do realize there is really NO provision for states to break away right? This whole petition thing is bogus. -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Hi Joe, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. I fear it's far too late. In no current political party do we find that our idealogy actually pencils out to actualization of our stated goals. We are already enslaved. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_the_nature_of_government Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I guess that a majority of the vote nationwide and a huge margin in the electoral college somehow does not indicate consent of the governed. I wholeheartedly agree that this list is NOT the place for any discussion of politics. Original message intentionally omitted from my response From Da Rock's Xoom --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Given that a county in Florida had a voter turn out of 141%. That would be the district that Allen West is in. Also I would submit the vote for a president does not equate to consent. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 11/14/12, farli fa...@cox.net wrote: From: farli fa...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 5:03 PM I guess that a majority of the vote nationwide and a huge margin in the electoral college somehow does not indicate consent of the governed. I wholeheartedly agree that this list is NOT the place for any discussion of politics. Original message intentionally omitted from my response From Da Rock's Xoom --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no thanks! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote: On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss You *do* realize there is really NO provision for states to break away right? This whole petition thing is bogus. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
And what does this thread have to do with LINUX? Mark On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no thanks! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote: On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss You *do* realize there is really NO provision for states to break away right? This whole petition thing is bogus. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
It's OT, discard it if you don't like it. OT is an accepted format at PLUG, however, this is not a moderated list. On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: And what does this thread have to do with LINUX? Mark On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no thanks! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote: On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss You *do* realize there is really NO provision for states to break away right? This whole petition thing is bogus. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Btw, While I voiced that we take a different direction I would like to say I have the utmost respect for Joe and I always value his opinion. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 11/14/12, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:10 PM The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
I agree about this not being a place to discuss politics. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that this list is for the discussion of issues dealing with linux. Also no matter who you vote for, you'll end up with a collection of crooked politicians. Lists dedicated to discussing politics can easily be turned into a collection of flame wars. If you want to talk about politics, call Barry Young in the morning or Mike Broomhead in the afternoon. That's what they're paid for. On 11/14/2012 05:03 PM, farli wrote: I guess that a majority of the vote nationwide and a huge margin in the electoral college somehow does not indicate consent of the governed. I wholeheartedly agree that this list is NOT the place for any discussion of politics. Original message intentionally omitted from my response From Da Rock's Xoom --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
Hi, This is OT topic by a lot. Please keep politics and religion off a tech blog, unless of course you want to be added to the ignore list and ALL your posts are tossed into the trash pile without being read. If I wanted to read about someone's personal politics I would go to one of the many sites on the internet for that special interest group. Please do the same. Joe Gibbs On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code. It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to attach an image as a link?
Joe - you want to sent HTML email - embed (not attach) the image like any website and then add the link - make sure to add some javascript just for fun too (just kidding) make sure your email works in a text only world too - many, including myself consider HTML email an abomination/security problem and routinely have email servers strip that crap off at the front door - others dump the whole email into the spam box. it would be a shame to spend all this time designing the email, just to make it undeliverable - you might consider attaching your card as a vCard, that would be more useful. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:36 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How can I attach a business card image to an email message as a link so that a recipient can click on the image to go to the corresponding web page? Click the link below to see a screen-shot example with an attached image; but in this example, the image is (not clickable): - - - http://www.upquick.com/temp/cardlink.jpg - - - What html code would be needed to make the attachment clickable? attachments aren't clickable, embedded images argh! I can't believe I'm enabling this just attach a vCard, that would actually be useful --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to attach an image -- Thanks
Thanks, Ed. I agree with your assessment of html email and I use text email almost exclusively; but I was just hoping to find a way to do what I described. So, what is a vcard and how could I use it to achieve the described objective? Joe = Ed replied: = Joe - you want to sent HTML email - embed (not attach) the image like any website and then add the link - make sure to add some javascript just for fun too (just kidding) make sure your email works in a text only world too - many, including myself consider HTML email an abomination/security problem and routinely have email servers strip that crap off at the front door - others dump the whole email into the spam box. it would be a shame to spend all this time designing the email, just to make it undeliverable - you might consider attaching your card as a vCard, that would be more useful. argh! I can't believe I'm enabling this just attach a vCard, that would actually be useful --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to attach an image -- Thanks
vCard is the abbreviation for Virtual Business Card (.vcf file), the standard for creating and sharing contact information over the Internet. you can send a contact to another person by forwarding it in vCard format. A recipient who uses an email and personal information manager program that supports vCards, such as Entourage, can open the vCard and add the contact to his or her address book. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. I agree with your assessment of html email and I use text email almost exclusively; but I was just hoping to find a way to do what I described. So, what is a vcard and how could I use it to achieve the described objective? Joe = Ed replied: = Joe - you want to sent HTML email - embed (not attach) the image like any website and then add the link - make sure to add some javascript just for fun too (just kidding) make sure your email works in a text only world too - many, including myself consider HTML email an abomination/security problem and routinely have email servers strip that crap off at the front door - others dump the whole email into the spam box. it would be a shame to spend all this time designing the email, just to make it undeliverable - you might consider attaching your card as a vCard, that would be more useful. argh! I can't believe I'm enabling this just attach a vCard, that would actually be useful --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to attach an image -- Thanks
exactly, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard or, go to your contact manager (like evolution) in the address book select your own entry - right click and Save as vCard. Other apps may do same thing by way of export - before you attach it to your signature, look at it in a regular editor (vi gedit etc) and you will see that it is the kind of file that could be hand edited. at least for the first couple dozen once attached to your signature, or individual email, those getting your email will be able to easily save your contact information into their addressbook on a web page you would use a microformat called hCard to achieve the same level of automation - or better make your own FOAF entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HCard vCards can also be expressed as QRcodes and many smart phones will do the smart thing with them. or look for ZBar to read them from your PC that reminds me - I should visit vistaprint soon - thx Ed On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: vCard is the abbreviation for Virtual Business Card (.vcf file), the standard for creating and sharing contact information over the Internet. you can send a contact to another person by forwarding it in vCard format. A recipient who uses an email and personal information manager program that supports vCards, such as Entourage, can open the vCard and add the contact to his or her address book. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. I agree with your assessment of html email and I use text email almost exclusively; but I was just hoping to find a way to do what I described. So, what is a vcard and how could I use it to achieve the described objective? Joe = Ed replied: = Joe - you want to sent HTML email - embed (not attach) the image like any website and then add the link - make sure to add some javascript just for fun too (just kidding) make sure your email works in a text only world too - many, including myself consider HTML email an abomination/security problem and routinely have email servers strip that crap off at the front door - others dump the whole email into the spam box. it would be a shame to spend all this time designing the email, just to make it undeliverable - you might consider attaching your card as a vCard, that would be more useful. argh! I can't believe I'm enabling this just attach a vCard, that would actually be useful --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
It may be out of date, and probably won't do much good, but try forwarding your spam and phishing emails to: s...@uce.gov -- But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
thanks mike :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mike Bushroe mbush...@gmail.com wrote: It may be out of date, and probably won't do much good, but try forwarding your spam and phishing emails to: s...@uce.gov -- But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
My idea was Cliff Claven lol On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
Flag them as spam in gmail, or forward them to a service like http://www.knujon.com/sendusspam.html However don't expect a huge drop or anything major to happen. Most of these guys are out of country. Best thing is to just be conscientious about giving out your email address in the first place. Gmail should be auto-deleting items in the spam folder after 30 days, so you don't need to do so manually. - jill On 2012-10-28 22:00, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
You're using gmail... mark them as spam. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
then i have to delete it from the spam folder I want to get this in trouble~! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: You're using gmail... mark them as spam. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
Google is your friend... two of 266 million (google how to report spam): http://www.spamlaws.com/reporting-spam.html http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-report-spam.htm On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: then i have to delete it from the spam folder I want to get this in trouble~! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: You're using gmail... mark them as spam. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
Michael, you are so naive... ;-) These '' are in China, Rusia, Agfanistan, good luck... ET PS: However, I'd support anyone going after the '' buying advertising from the ''. Michael Havens writes: then i have to delete it from the spam folder I want to get this in trouble~! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: You're using gmail... mark them as spam. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
A few years ago Alan Ralsky was featured in the Detroit Free Press. In the article it told how much money he was making and how spam had paid for his 7,000 square foot house. Somebody at slashdot got word of this and laid the groundwork for revenge. They found and published Ralsky's snail mail address. He was getting several hundred pounds of junk mail a day. He was getting so much that the post office had to send out an extra van to cover that area. One wasn't big enough for everyone else's mail and his. Here's an article at The Register. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/11/spammer_gets_junk_mailed/ On 10/28/2012 9:59 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Michael, you are so naive... ;-) These '' are in China, Rusia, Agfanistan, good luck... ET PS: However, I'd support anyone going after the '' buying advertising from the ''. Michael Havens writes: then i have to delete it from the spam folder I want to get this in trouble~! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: You're using gmail... mark them as spam. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hahaha! good idea! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Facebook experts available for hire?
setting up a page for each one is fine. Otherwise how would Coca Cola have a Coke and Diet Coke page? the purpose is to prevent people from having many accounts for spam activities... Eric On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:23 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Are there any Facebook experts available for hire /for consultation in the plug community? Facebook terms of service seem to say one cannot have more than one facebook page or account, yet some other sources seem to indicate that one can have both a personal account and a separate business account with multiple pages for separate products and/or services, etc. It's all very confusing. I have a dozen different websites for different books and ministry projects and I'd like to set up a separate facebook page for each one (I think). Is this permissible or verboten? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Facebook experts available for hire?
Hi Joe, I am no expert on Facebook but I just returned from a week of seminars at Harvard Business School where they are researching Google and Facebook. Professors covered who is using Facebook and who is making money by using Facebook. These experts were very informative and the information was very surprising. I don't want to write down what they told us, but send me your phone number and I will gladly pass on the information. Good luck. Mike Enriquez On 10/20/2012 03:23 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Are there any Facebook experts available for hire /for consultation in the plug community? Facebook terms of service seem to say one cannot have more than one facebook page or account, yet some other sources seem to indicate that one can have both a personal account and a separate business account with multiple pages for separate products and/or services, etc. It's all very confusing. I have a dozen different websites for different books and ministry projects and I'd like to set up a separate facebook page for each one (I think). Is this permissible or verboten? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Facebook experts available for hire?
Hi Joe, On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:23 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Are there any Facebook experts available for hire /for consultation in the plug community? Facebook terms of service seem to say one cannot have more than one facebook page or account, yet some other sources seem to indicate that one can have both a personal account and a separate business account with multiple pages for separate products and/or services, etc. It's all very confusing. I have a dozen different websites for different books and ministry projects and I'd like to set up a separate facebook page for each one (I think). Is this permissible or verboten? That is permissible if your endeavors are unique! If all websites fall under the same ministry project, you can use the same account/button/wall. You can get php plugins or apps that will provide a Like button on Facebank. I would go ahead and use it. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/ -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Facebook experts available for hire?
Nice!! Bet you have some very interesting and powerful information. Keith Smith --- On Sat, 10/20/12, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: From: mike enriquez myli...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: Facebook experts available for hire? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:40 AM Hi Joe, I am no expert on Facebook but I just returned from a week of seminars at Harvard Business School where they are researching Google and Facebook. Professors covered who is using Facebook and who is making money by using Facebook. These experts were very informative and the information was very surprising. I don't want to write down what they told us, but send me your phone number and I will gladly pass on the information. Good luck. Mike Enriquez On 10/20/2012 03:23 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Are there any Facebook experts available for hire /for consultation in the plug community? Facebook terms of service seem to say one cannot have more than one facebook page or account, yet some other sources seem to indicate that one can have both a personal account and a separate business account with multiple pages for separate products and/or services, etc. It's all very confusing. I have a dozen different websites for different books and ministry projects and I'd like to set up a separate facebook page for each one (I think). Is this permissible or verboten? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Anyone else remember this?
If only you could send all the old junk that is too slow and too small to use by todays standards back in time to yourself, you would look like a computing god to everyone else. I have a picture from the early 90's of the server rack, which was completely full, for cdrom.com that they were showing around because they were so proud of the fact that they had a whole terabyte of storage. That amount of space seemed unimaginable at the time, especially since if I remember right that my computer had a 105MB HD at that time. Times have changed and now I have around 20TB of storage in my house... and climbing, and I suspect that it another 20 years I'll be laughing about how we ever got along with only terabytes of storage because I'll have some sort of solid state drive on my keychain that holds terabytes. Brian Cluff On 10/18/2012 09:00 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: I sure remember it. No chance I could have afforded it back then, but I did want one. http://www.howtogeek.com/126846/retro-ad-10-mb-hard-drive-for-3398-image -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Anyone else remember this?
That one and several others are here. http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/vintage-tech-ads/ There's and ad for those old hard drives the size of washing machines where you take the platters out. Also a 26MB hard drive you can have for the low price of $4995. Then there this one at http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5100.html IBM Portable PC Model:5100 Introduced:September, 1975 Price:US $19,975 w/ 64K RAM Weight:55 pounds CPU:IBM proprietary, 1.9MHz RAM:16K, 64K max Display:5 monochrome monitor 64 X 16 text Storage:Internal 200K tape (DC300) Ports:tape / printer I/O port OS:APL and/or BASIC Serial #: BASIC: 10-11503 APL: 10-13616 On 10/18/2012 9:00 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: I sure remember it. No chance I could have afforded it back then, but I did want one. http://www.howtogeek.com/126846/retro-ad-10-mb-hard-drive-for-3398-image -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: iGo in Sccts on woot
My buddy used to work there. I can't speak for their batteries, but they manufacture power supplies under their own label as well as Dell and Lenovo. I personally use the pre charged Duracell rechargeables. The key part is buying the slow-self discharge types of batteries. They are typically marketed as pre charged. Eric On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:16 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, anyone know iGo headquartered in Scottsdale? iGo claims to have rechargeable alkalines that hold their charge and have the same voltage as disposable alkalines. http://www.igo.com/4-pack-aaa-rechargeable-alkaline-batteries/invt/ac050590001/ ZDnet says they aren't high capacity. http://www.zdnet.com/igo-green-rechargeable-alkaline-batteries-4010025062/ I've been buying eneloops for years and highly recommend them. http://us.sanyo.com/eneloop CostCo has multipacks. Anyone know iGo the company or the products? ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose away. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT USB to PS/2 adapters
I've had that same experience with ps2 to usb adaptors; It seems the more expensive ones work better (electronics in the middle) but it's hit or miss. I've gradually phased PS2 devices out in favor of usb devices. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have a relatively new (1yr) PC without PS/2 keyboard mouse connectors. I've accumulated 4 USB to PS/2 adapters. Three are just 6 cables with a USB male on one end and a PS/2 female on the other. The fourth is similar, but has a large oval-ish thing in the middle of the cable. My MS ergonomic keyboard has a PS/2 connector and will not work when connected using one of the three plain adapters, but will with the fourth. I'd like to understand a) why, and b) where to buy a couple more of the adapters that do work (for another project). Any help from the incredibly knowledgeable PLUG-ers will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mark Jarvis --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT USB to PS/2 adapters
Hi Guys! On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I've had that same experience with ps2 to usb adaptors; It seems the more expensive ones work better (electronics in the middle) but it's hit or miss. I've gradually phased PS2 devices out in favor of usb devices. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have a relatively new (1yr) PC without PS/2 keyboard mouse connectors. I've accumulated 4 USB to PS/2 adapters. Three are just 6 cables with a USB male on one end and a PS/2 female on the other. The fourth is similar, but has a large oval-ish thing in the middle of the cable. My MS ergonomic keyboard has a PS/2 connector and will not work when connected using one of the three plain adapters, but will with the fourth. I'd like to understand a) why, and b) where to buy a couple more of the adapters that do work (for another project). Any help from the incredibly knowledgeable PLUG-ers will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mark Jarvis snip It has to do with the specifications between USB 1.0 and 2.0 which require different power where the cables must also contain that capacity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT USB to PS/2 adapters
A corollary to RTFM is Look at the Stupid Device. It had Radio Shack molded into the front and even had a part #. on the back. Duh! I was setting up my wife's new box and of course had the same issue there, so I got on my horse got myself over to Radio Shack. The durn thing cost $20, but now everything works! The USB 1 vs USB 2 makes sense. I'm pretty sure that I'd successfully used those simple adapters sometime in the past, but everything's USB 2 now, going to 3. Mark Jarvis Lisa Kachold wrote: Hi Guys! On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I've had that same experience with ps2 to usb adaptors; It seems the more expensive ones work better (electronics in the middle) but it's hit or miss. I've gradually phased PS2 devices out in favor of usb devices. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I have a relatively new (1yr) PC without PS/2 keyboard mouse connectors. I've accumulated 4 USB to PS/2 adapters. Three are just 6" cables with a USB male on one end and a PS/2 female on the other. The fourth is similar, but has a large oval-ish thing in the middle of the cable. My MS ergonomic keyboard has a PS/2 connector and will not work when connected using one of the three plain adapters, but will with the fourth. I'd like to understand a) why, and b) where to buy a couple more of the adapters that do work (for another project). Any help from the incredibly knowledgeable PLUG-ers will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mark Jarvis snip It has to do with the specifications between USB 1.0 and 2.0 which require different power where the cables must also contain that capacity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
At the end of the day, all news agencies are trying to make a buck, which means they're selling interest in products or view, which lead back to product via some level of marketing. They tell you what you want to hear, usually varying for the pitch, but the idea is to hook you long enough to push a commercial that results in a sale for a vendor of theirs. They exist to track you, as their ancient business model mandates such behavior. Technology to resist scare them. Beauty of the internet, is via various privacy modes in browsers, plugins, and simple os security you *can* mitigate most invasions, even casual (and taken for granted, ahem facebook) ones today. Browsers traditionally have been the worst in giving up privacy (thanks microsoft), but noscript alone does wonders, as do other plugins mentioned to halt marketing/tracking nonsense. Good thing some decent humans create plugins against corporate greed mongering and/or stupidity. RSS scraping/aggregating also speeds up perusal significantly hitting a _lot_ of content/news each day without the ads as you really don't care about 20x banners per 40 different omg iphone stories across various different sites you'll hit a day. Your data provider probably appreciates a lot less downloaded temporary crap too, especially on mobile when you're taxed per gb. I use greader on my phone to read the news, synch realtime to google reader, and finish or review news later from my desktop. Splendid setup actually, highly recommended. If your bullshit meter goes off with a feed, replace them. I get as much or as little news as I want across a lot of material this way. I'm pretty rarely caught unknowing about most major happenings I actually care to know about. -mb On 10/02/2012 10:39 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: I can't listen to any news on the radio here(Jellico, Tn) during the day. None of the two or three fm stations available here do any news. I don't pay for the local crappy cable, so I can't watch it on the idiot box. I check out the Drudge Report several times a day. Then I'll take a look at the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Register, the Jerusalem post and the Melbourne age. Sometimes I'll put on kfyi for news. Then there is the news on channel 10 or 15. If any of the others stream their news broadcasts please let me know. If I want news and a bit of humor to go with it, fark.com is where I go. Although it is available online, the financially troubled Arizona Republic doesn't appeal to me. How's that? On 10/2/2012 21:41, Dazed_75 wrote: I have the same issues so look at multiple source (none in print) but I've been using BBC of late for real life news even though that doesn't get a lot of stateside or local coverage. I don't think the question was about tech news. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.com mailto:wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Have you looked at: http://www.livestation.com/ At 11:36 PM 10/2/2012, Michael Butash wrote: At the end of the day, all news agencies are trying to make a buck, which means they're selling interest in products or view, which lead back to product via some level of marketing. They tell you what you want to hear, usually varying for the pitch, but the idea is to hook you long enough to push a commercial that results in a sale for a vendor of theirs. They exist to track you, as their ancient business model mandates such behavior. Technology to resist scare them. Beauty of the internet, is via various privacy modes in browsers, plugins, and simple os security you *can* mitigate most invasions, even casual (and taken for granted, ahem facebook) ones today. Browsers traditionally have been the worst in giving up privacy (thanks microsoft), but noscript alone does wonders, as do other plugins mentioned to halt marketing/tracking nonsense. Good thing some decent humans create plugins against corporate greed mongering and/or stupidity. RSS scraping/aggregating also speeds up perusal significantly hitting a _lot_ of content/news each day without the ads as you really don't care about 20x banners per 40 different omg iphone stories across various different sites you'll hit a day. Your data provider probably appreciates a lot less downloaded temporary crap too, especially on mobile when you're taxed per gb. I use greader on my phone to read the news, synch realtime to google reader, and finish or review news later from my desktop. Splendid setup actually, highly recommended. If your bullshit meter goes off with a feed, replace them. I get as much or as little news as I want across a lot of material this way. I'm pretty rarely caught unknowing about most major happenings I actually care to know about. -mb On 10/02/2012 10:39 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: I can't listen to any news on the radio here(Jellico, Tn) during the day. None of the two or three fm stations available here do any news. I don't pay for the local crappy cable, so I can't watch it on the idiot box. I check out the Drudge Report several times a day. Then I'll take a look at the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Register, the Jerusalem post and the Melbourne age. Sometimes I'll put on kfyi for news. Then there is the news on channel 10 or 15. If any of the others stream their news broadcasts please let me know. If I want news and a bit of humor to go with it, fark.com is where I go. Although it is available online, the financially troubled Arizona Republic doesn't appeal to me. How's that? On 10/2/2012 21:41, Dazed_75 wrote: I have the same issues so look at multiple source (none in print) but I've been using BBC of late for real life news even though that doesn't get a lot of stateside or local coverage. I don't think the question was about tech news. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.com mailto:wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message.
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
You start by recognizing the bias for a variety of news sources (THEY ALL HAVE BIAS) and get your news from a variety of sources. They're all competing for your eyeballs and trying to sway you to their bias. Look at what all three sides say (left, right, and every one else) and make up your own mind. I get all my news online with the occasional TV broadcast. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comwrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Hi Joe, There is no real media source that is unbiased. Like you said everyone is spinning the story for their benefit. Trust no single source. I read a bunch of different sites. AND I take everything I hear and read with a grain of salt. I take no print. If you do not look at multiple websites daily you run the risk of missing something. If you find that one true source I'd like to know about it. Keith Smith --- On Tue, 10/2/12, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer? To: PLUG plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:44 AM Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Yes, I should start using incognito mode to get a less tailored view from time to time. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:07 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:57 AM I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Thanks for all the responses. Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Well, of course there is one trustworthy source of truth ;) but it doesn't specialize in today's headlines (or then again perhaps it does ;) In any case, I took another look at news.google and perhaps it does about as objective a job of presenting today's headline stories as any. I wasn't aware that google tailors news to our individual preferences. That's very interesting. How does one specify an incognito mode, as Alan mentioned? I'd really like to be able to compare that to whatever is tailored for me. I did notice (for the first time today), that they offer four different format options: Modern, headlines, compact, and classic. I wish one could check a box beside articles that have been read so only the titles would appear and nothing else. That would make the overall list of articles even more concise, but one could still go back to a previously read article if desired. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Joe, Most browsers now have a mode that prevents cookie tracking and other such methods of correlating you to the places you browse. I don't know who first called it incognito but it's a good name for it. http://browsers.about.com/od/faq/tp/Incognito-Browsing.htm (I don't know how accurate that page is but it appears to cover the settings for many popular browsers.) Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Well, of course there is one trustworthy source of truth ;) but it doesn't specialize in today's headlines (or then again perhaps it does ;) In any case, I took another look at news.google and perhaps it does about as objective a job of presenting today's headline stories as any. I wasn't aware that google tailors news to our individual preferences. That's very interesting. How does one specify an incognito mode, as Alan mentioned? I'd really like to be able to compare that to whatever is tailored for me. I did notice (for the first time today), that they offer four different format options: Modern, headlines, compact, and classic. I wish one could check a box beside articles that have been read so only the titles would appear and nothing else. That would make the overall list of articles even more concise, but one could still go back to a previously read article if desired. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
FYI, Google has been previously caught filtering, editing, or otherwise ignoring some news items based on it's own bias. I don't have links with proof; just do a search on it. You can see it sometimes on what they choose to honor with a google doodle on days when other things may be more important. Definitely check multiple sources and check the story source. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:07 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:57 AM I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
Moral of the story: There's no excuse for not keeping your critical thinking cap on, at all times, no matter the source. On 2 October 2012 15:31, Josh Coffman joshcoff...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, Google has been previously caught filtering, editing, or otherwise ignoring some news items based on it's own bias. I don't have links with proof; just do a search on it. You can see it sometimes on what they choose to honor with a google doodle on days when other things may be more important. Definitely check multiple sources and check the story source. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:07 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Google has started to tailor what you get based on what they know about you, which is far more than you might expect. To me this is a problem. It is akin to telling me what I want to hear, not what I need to know or the truth, if there really is something called the truth. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:57 AM I scan news.google.com headlines once a day and dive into things that look interesting. I have purposefully not customized the feeds there so that I get as general a view as possible, though Google does some feed tweaks automatically based on what it knows about me. The rest of my news comes from people I follow on Twitter, Google+ and others. I curate who I follow in social media and relevant news just comes to me, and mostly with better quality than if I go out and hunt for things. Alan On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
From: j...@actionline.com I'm fed up with *all* media sources This mailing list could be considered a media source. -EMETAMETAMETA : too many levels of symbolic link fed-upness detected. Core dumped. Going out for pizza. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
As depressing as the state of affairs in the world are, I take an RSS of google top stories for general world news, and find that reading just the headlines is enough to more or less keep a pulse on how the world downturns. Anything interesting I'll link through to, but I've found for probably the last few months I don't even bother with that. Not reading the world news does little to worsen or better my life, so I'll take a lessened heap of depression in my life that stems from it. Google reader is great for this, I have tons of different RSS sources that I skim through every day to keep up on everything else I do care about from tech vendors, various news aggregators, blogs, job sites, car sites, whatever. Skimming them all and deep-diving where I want keeps me pretty well informed. Hackernews (news.ycombinator.com), the register, engadget, ars technica, light reading, various android sites are generally some of my more favorites. For devs and sysadmins (and techie geeks in general) I highly recommend hackernews. If I get any impression I'm being marketed to, I kill them quick. Nausea (and infection) is avoided greatly with use of noscript/notscript, adblock plus, and ghostery plugins to avoid directed marketing/tracking. World's smallest violin here when cries of lost ad revenue comes up, I'd rather not be annoyed by impure marketing content that mistake me for an apple user to feed poop to. RSS skimming avoids this too. -mb On 10/02/2012 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
I have the same issues so look at multiple source (none in print) but I've been using BBC of late for real life news even though that doesn't get a lot of stateside or local coverage. I don't think the question was about tech news. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.comwrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
I can't listen to any news on the radio here(Jellico, Tn) during the day. None of the two or three fm stations available here do any news. I don't pay for the local crappy cable, so I can't watch it on the idiot box. I check out the Drudge Report several times a day. Then I'll take a look at the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Register, the Jerusalem post and the Melbourne age. Sometimes I'll put on kfyi for news. Then there is the news on channel 10 or 15. If any of the others stream their news broadcasts please let me know. If I want news and a bit of humor to go with it, fark.com is where I go. Although it is available online, the financially troubled Arizona Republic doesn't appeal to me. How's that? On 10/2/2012 21:41, Dazed_75 wrote: I have the same issues so look at multiple source (none in print) but I've been using BBC of late for real life news even though that doesn't get a lot of stateside or local coverage. I don't think the question was about tech news. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.com mailto:wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- One mistake up here and it's half a day out with the undertaker! - Fred Dibnah --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: What are these things?
Lighting guides for the ones with the big ground wire? Sean On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: I'm sure someone here knows what the antennae in the links below are supposed to be for. There are too many of them too closely spaced for a wireless network, they don't look directional, and they're probably not Alien Mind Control Lasers. Are they some sort of burglar alarm? http://crow202.org/2012/antenna1.jpg http://crow202.org/2012/antenna2.jpg http://crow202.org/2012/antenna3.jpg -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: What are these things?
They are to vround lightning On Oct 1, 2012 5:48 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: I'm sure someone here knows what the antennae in the links below are supposed to be for. There are too many of them too closely spaced for a wireless network, they don't look directional, and they're probably not Alien Mind Control Lasers. Are they some sort of burglar alarm? http://crow202.org/2012/antenna1.jpg http://crow202.org/2012/antenna2.jpg http://crow202.org/2012/antenna3.jpg -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Are you connected to the right wireless ssid? Did you mean to connect to upquick instead of the one on the top? upquick is the name I gave to my network, and I've entered the security word/passcode that I assigned for it. It works fine on my other wireless computers and devices and has 5 bars signal strength. That other wireless item, MSKG, keeps forcing itself to the top listing, which seems very strange, and it automatically connects every time, but won't work without a password, which I don't have. It shows only 2 or 3 bars signal strength, so I can't understand why it keeps showing up. I've tried to delete it, but haven't been able to. Something seems fishy about it. And, as I've said, when I boot into kubuntu Linux on the same computer, I can connect to my 'upquick' network just fine. That suggests to me that there is nothing wrong with the computer hardware or D-Link wireless adaptor, but something seems to be messed up with the win-xp OS. Could this be caused by a virus? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Go into network connections and remove the one for your neighbors SSID. Once your system has shown a preference for it (and maybe got an unsecured connection in the past), it will keep going back there. Also delete the one for your own SSID. That way the card will see both signals but not show a preference for either. Then you should be able to select your SSID and enter the :[new] pass phrase instead of relying on whatever XP has in storage for your network. What kind of wireless security are you using on upquick (WEP, WPA. WPA2..._? On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:40 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Are you connected to the right wireless ssid? Did you mean to connect to upquick instead of the one on the top? upquick is the name I gave to my network, and I've entered the security word/passcode that I assigned for it. It works fine on my other wireless computers and devices and has 5 bars signal strength. That other wireless item, MSKG, keeps forcing itself to the top listing, which seems very strange, and it automatically connects every time, but won't work without a password, which I don't have. It shows only 2 or 3 bars signal strength, so I can't understand why it keeps showing up. I've tried to delete it, but haven't been able to. Something seems fishy about it. And, as I've said, when I boot into kubuntu Linux on the same computer, I can connect to my 'upquick' network just fine. That suggests to me that there is nothing wrong with the computer hardware or D-Link wireless adaptor, but something seems to be messed up with the win-xp OS. Could this be caused by a virus? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Go into network connections and remove the one for your neighbors SSID. Once your system has shown a preference for it (and maybe got an unsecured connection in the past), it will keep going back there. Also delete the one for your own SSID. That way the card will see both signals but not show a preference for either. Then you should be able to select your SSID and enter the :[new] pass phrase instead of relying on whatever XP has in storage for your network. What kind of wireless security are you using on upquick (WEP, WPA. WPA2..._? Thanks Larry. I'll give this another try. I did remove the SSID for my neighbor's connection, but it came right back and re-established itself again. upquick is using WPA2 PSK In network connections, I then see two options: TKIP and AES Can't find any explanation for whatever the difference is. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
http://compnetworking.about.com/b/2008/08/21/aes-vs-tkip-for-wireless-encryption.htm can help. I use AES when i can. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Go into network connections and remove the one for your neighbors SSID. Once your system has shown a preference for it (and maybe got an unsecured connection in the past), it will keep going back there. Also delete the one for your own SSID. That way the card will see both signals but not show a preference for either. Then you should be able to select your SSID and enter the :[new] pass phrase instead of relying on whatever XP has in storage for your network. What kind of wireless security are you using on upquick (WEP, WPA. WPA2..._? Thanks Larry. I'll give this another try. I did remove the SSID for my neighbor's connection, but it came right back and re-established itself again. upquick is using WPA2 PSK In network connections, I then see two options: TKIP and AES Can't find any explanation for whatever the difference is. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Use wpa2/aes, anything else is somewhat vulnerable at this point, but set it in your ap first. Agree on the interference though, might have to try bouncing different channels to see what works better than others. Use of 2.4ghz is saturated at this point, so its pure rf wars within it. If you can use 5ghz for a/n, that's usually better, but shorter distances and less penetration a house. -mb On 09/22/2012 10:02 AM, Stephen wrote: http://compnetworking.about.com/b/2008/08/21/aes-vs-tkip-for-wireless-encryption.htm can help. I use AES when i can. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM,j...@actionline.com wrote: Go into network connections and remove the one for your neighbors SSID. Once your system has shown a preference for it (and maybe got an unsecured connection in the past), it will keep going back there. Also delete the one for your own SSID. That way the card will see both signals but not show a preference for either. Then you should be able to select your SSID and enter the :[new] pass phrase instead of relying on whatever XP has in storage for your network. What kind of wireless security are you using on upquick (WEP, WPA. WPA2..._? Thanks Larry. I'll give this another try. I did remove the SSID for my neighbor's connection, but it came right back and re-established itself again. upquick is using WPA2 PSK In network connections, I then see two options: TKIP and AES Can't find any explanation for whatever the difference is. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Just updated the following link describing the subject problem: http://www.upquick.com/wireless/ What steps could I take to analyze and correct this problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Are you connected to the right wireless ssid? Did you mean to connect to upquick instead of the one on the top? On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Just updated the following link describing the subject problem: http://www.upquick.com/wireless/ What steps could I take to analyze and correct this problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Basic troubleshooting of the network layer seems to be in order. Can she ping the WAP? Can she ping the ISP? Can she ping google? Is her DNS working? On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: On my wife's win-xp computer, we have a good wireless internet connection to our in-home wireless network, but she can no longer connect to any internet website. It was working fine until a recent reboot, but no longer works. What can I do to get it to work again? I've searched the 'net, but cannot find any clues. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Can you ping? On Sep 18, 2012 2:17 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: On my wife's win-xp computer, we have a good wireless internet connection to our in-home wireless network, but she can no longer connect to any internet website. It was working fine until a recent reboot, but no longer works. What can I do to get it to work again? I've searched the 'net, but cannot find any clues. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can you ping? On Sep 18, 2012 2:17 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: On my wife's win-xp computer, we have a good wireless internet connection to our in-home wireless network, but she can no longer connect to any internet website. It was working fine until a recent reboot, but no longer works. What can I do to get it to work again? I've searched the 'net, but cannot find any clues. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Basic troubleshooting of the network layer seems to be in order. Can she ping the WAP? Can she ping the ISP? Can she ping google? Is her DNS working? Please excuse my lack of knowledge, but I don't know how to check some of these things. - ping google.com gives no response. - I don't know how to ping WAP (whatever that is). - I don't know how to ping the ISP. - How can I tell if her DNS is working? The internet connection is reportedly a strong connection. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig ipconfig from the command line shows no ip address. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Joe wrote: we have a good connection to our in-home wireless network, but she can no longer connect to any internet website. It was working fine until a recent reboot From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com Can she ping the WAP? Can she ping the ISP? Can she ping google? Is her DNS working? Let's expand on James's answers: In a cmd.exe window, ipconfig /all should show that the 'DozeXP machine has an IP address that belongs to the range that the AP is giving out. Not 127.0.0.1 or 169.254.x.y. If not, the computer's never run DHCP on its wireless card, or the AP's config is messed up, or there are hardware problems somewhere. If that worked: Ping the AP. If that works, wireless networking to the AP is at least working. If that worked: Ping the first DNS server, which should've been displayed in the output from ipconfig /all . If that fails, networking somewhere between the AP and the wide internet is probably screwed up, or the DNS server is blocking ICMP, which is possible. Then, ping google.com should return success. If you get something like could not determine host name for google.com then DNS is messed up, and a lot of things will fail miserably. The AP should be handing out appropriate DNS server IPs if it's running a DHCP server though. If all of those things worked, yet a browser is refusing to display http://foobar.com/ , I'd think it might be a browser problem. I Could Be Wrong though. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig correction: Windows IP Configuration ... is blank Media State ... shows Disconnected DNS Suffix : is blank IP Address 169.254.201.139 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Media state disconnected means something is unplugged AKA link state is down. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig correction: Windows IP Configuration ... is blank Media State ... shows Disconnected DNS Suffix : is blank IP Address 169.254.201.139 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
Many laptops have a hardware switch that turns off the wireless device; ensure that it is turned on. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Media state disconnected means something is unplugged AKA link state is down. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig correction: Windows IP Configuration ... is blank Media State ... shows Disconnected DNS Suffix : is blank IP Address 169.254.201.139 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
169 autoconfigure addresses occur when you have link, set for dhcp, and no dhcp response with an address. It gives the interface something to satiate netlink. This usually means wireless security isn't working, or at least the router doesn't think you are. Make sure it *is* connecting to the router ssid and passing security. Check the router likes the client security session too from logs, and be suspect of the wireless driver stack for the device. With just about anything but an intel nic, wireless under windoze was a crapshoot with xp, never actually used vista/7 to know how quirky they are with drivers/hardware. If dhcp is wonky on the router, you could configure it with another ip address out of the subnet statically, just check another host for the subnet, mask, gateway, and dns servers to replicate manually. I'm thinking if you're not getting dhcp, this won't work. If not, suspect the wireless stack and/or hardware, especially if its using wdm drivers, like a cheap usb wlan nic. If other hosts work and only this one doesn't, could be just winxp acting up, it got infected with something that messed with the driver stack, or you have a bad nic. Quick test would be to boot a live ubuntu cd on the hardware and see if it gets an address, but ymmv with wireless there too unless it's a decent hardware one like an intel. -mb On 09/18/2012 03:00 PM, JD Austin wrote: Many laptops have a hardware switch that turns off the wireless device; ensure that it is turned on. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Media state disconnected means something is unplugged AKA link state is down. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig correction: Windows IP Configuration ... is blank Media State ... shows Disconnected DNS Suffix : is blank IP Address 169.254.201.139 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Thanks very much Joseph. I have the highest regard and appreciation for your knowledge, many valuable explanations, and excellent suggestions and solutions. After implementing the remedy that Brian suggested, Google Voice now seems to be a perfect solution for my needs. Google voice-mail now answers all calls to my 30-year established toll free number instantly with not even a single ring delay; and it answers calls to our existing land-line home phone number after just two or three rings. That is exactly what we needed. Plus, it also provides free voice-mail transcription of all voice-mail recorded calls, custom answering, and call filtering; so I can't imagine any other telephone service being as ideal as this for my needs ... and it's all free. What could possibly be better? -- I understand what you want to do. I was simply pointing out that if that's what you want then Google Voice is simply the wrong tool. If you try to use a sports car to haul dirt, you might manage it but it would be a lot easier if you just use a truck. If you want business voicemail, then there are many providers for exactly that; you seem to have found a way to shoehorn Google Voice into your use case, but I still suggest that you may find an actual business voice mail service to be far better at accomplishing your stated goals. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Attaching your toll free number to GV? That's actually how its meant to work. On Sep 14, 2012 12:02 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Thanks very much Joseph. I have the highest regard and appreciation for your knowledge, many valuable explanations, and excellent suggestions and solutions. After implementing the remedy that Brian suggested, Google Voice now seems to be a perfect solution for my needs. Google voice-mail now answers all calls to my 30-year established toll free number instantly with not even a single ring delay; and it answers calls to our existing land-line home phone number after just two or three rings. That is exactly what we needed. Plus, it also provides free voice-mail transcription of all voice-mail recorded calls, custom answering, and call filtering; so I can't imagine any other telephone service being as ideal as this for my needs ... and it's all free. What could possibly be better? -- I understand what you want to do. I was simply pointing out that if that's what you want then Google Voice is simply the wrong tool. If you try to use a sports car to haul dirt, you might manage it but it would be a lot easier if you just use a truck. If you want business voicemail, then there are many providers for exactly that; you seem to have found a way to shoehorn Google Voice into your use case, but I still suggest that you may find an actual business voice mail service to be far better at accomplishing your stated goals. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Why not transfer you long established number to google voice, then you could take advantage of all the features On 9/13/2012 5:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Why not transfer your long established number to google voice, then you could take advantage of all the features As far as I know, google does not allow the transfer of either a land line number or a toll free number to google voice. And, since my current setup is now working perfectly to satisfy all of my tele-com needs and objectives (and it does take advantage of all of the GV features that I need and want), I don't know of any features or benefits that I might be missing. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
damn - now I have to go to Home Depot --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Hopefully that helps make it clearer. On 09/13/2012 01:28 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Google Voice is monumentally confusing (to me). For longer than I care to admit, I have been trying to figure out how to get GV to work the way I want it to work. Our qwest home phone land line has call forward, don't answer set to forward to our Google Voice number after 2-to-3 rings, and I finally have Google Voice configured to go straight to voice-mail. However, the problem is that after the land line number rings 2 or 3 times, Google Voice then rings another FIVE (5) times before GV voice-mail answers. I've searched the 'net but am unable to find any way to reduce the number of rings. Ideally, I'd like Google Voice voice-mail to answer immediately on the first ring (or even with no ring at all). Have any of you experienced this problem or found a solution? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
To make what Joseph said more concise: 1. Set your no-answer-busy on your first line to go to Google voice instead of your second line. 2. In Google voice set that second line as one of the destinations. You could also have people call your google voice number directly and have both phone numbers as destinations (plus your cell phone, plus whatever else you have). Then if you're on the second line they go straight to voicemail when they try to call you and you're on the phone. Alternately if you don't want to receive calls turn off all the destinations in google voice. JD On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Hopefully that helps make it clearer. On 09/13/2012 01:28 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Google Voice is monumentally confusing (to me). For longer than I care to admit, I have been trying to figure out how to get GV to work the way I want it to work. Our qwest home phone land line has call forward, don't answer set to forward to our Google Voice number after 2-to-3 rings, and I finally have Google Voice configured to go straight to voice-mail. However, the problem is that after the land line number rings 2 or 3 times, Google Voice then rings another FIVE (5) times before GV voice-mail answers. I've searched the 'net but am unable to find any way to reduce the number of rings. Ideally, I'd like Google Voice voice-mail to answer immediately on the first ring (or even with no ring at all). Have any of you experienced this problem or found a solution? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
so wait a second... google e same area but not if you are going to be moving.voice is just a redirection number! very good if you are going to stay in th :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Try setting the do not disturb on the line you want answered immediately. You should be able to set to for 999days and then you'll have to set it again in 2015. In theory that should make it answer immediately. If not, then you are trying to use a Pontiac Fiero as a moving van, it's just not made to do that. Brian On 09/13/2012 05:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question. SOLVED
Thank you Brian. That works perfectly! Try setting the do not disturb on the line you want answered immediately. You should be able to set to for 999days and then you'll have to set it again in 2015. In theory that should make it answer immediately. If not, then you are trying to use a Pontiac Fiero as a moving van, it's just not made to do that. Brian On 09/13/2012 05:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
