Re: Threading
Hans Glomme scripsit dd. Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:04:16 +0100 (internet: @044) Hello, I'm new with powermail and now I'm looking for the features. Because I'm described to many mailing lists, I was looking for a feature that shows me the threads for example sorted by message ID or subject. That makes it more easy for me to read the threads. Can anyone tell me how to do it? Sorry for my maybe badly english. Hope someone can help me with that. -- Greetings out of Munich Hans Hi Hans, Sort your messages by Date Sent by clicking on that column in the message browser. Then enter (part of) the subject of the thread in the filter in the upper right corner of the browser. It is not entirely the feature you are looking for, but nonetheless a good part of it. Kind regards, Jan Storms
Re: Aperture and PM - how to?
On 26/11/07 (03:16) Matthias said: Hello, does anyone know, how to set in Apple's apps the mail client to PM? These apps, like Apertue don't respect the standard mail client and let one choose only between Mali, Eudora and Encourage, this is of course not what I want ;-) Thanks and all the best Matthias Matthias; My guess would be that if an application does not respect the 'Default' mail application (which is set, somewhat controversially, via Apple Mail's preferences) then the only way to force the application to use PM would be with an app-specific patch/hack, like the one that forces iCal to use PM for its email alerts, or the one that adds PM to iPhoto's list of email options. I'm no programmer, so I can't help you further than that I'm afraid, although a search on somewhere like Version Tracker might throw up a useful result. All this is guesswork of course. If anyone knows different, do tell! Best regards... Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.9 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode
Re: problem with PM search function
On 25/11/07 (23:16) MB said: I was advocating that the user that had deleted the index should at startup or even the minute the index file got missing if running already, be prompted with appropriate information, asked to put it back - perhaps by the asking the user where to look for it- or to rebuild it from scratch. This whether it happened intentionally or not. If none of the two options of relocate or rebuild was chosen, possibly by the user canceling the dialog, PM could be used without an index. but the user would at least be informed something needed to be done at some point. Then at certain times for example at startup PM could remind the user that a rebuilt index was needed to retain proper search functionality. I agree. We were, perhaps, talking at slightly crossed purposes before; I think your main issue was with PM not alerting the user that the index was missing, whereas I was focusing more on whether PM should silently begin an automatic index-rebuild. Just different aspects of the same issue, really. I agree that PM should offer an alert if the index is missing or damaged/ out of sync. Probably at startup, and each time a search is initiated would be the best times to offer a warning to the user. An warning should the user try and manually delete the index would be nice, but I'm not sure how that would be achieved *prior to deletion* since PM does not offer the ability to delete the index from within itself; such a file deletion would necessarily be done from the Finder (or Terminal, if you like to do things that way...), and AFAIK PM would not be able to intervene *directly* with Finder operations -- it could only react to it *after* the event, when it subsequently detected that the index was missing. Which leaves the question of 'when would PM notice that the index was missing?' I assume that having PM verify the location and condition of the index on a near-constant basis is not feasible -- too many calls back and forth between PM and the file directory or something (sorry, I'm not a programmer). But maybe it should check at startup and at the start of each search... and perhaps when brought to the foreground? Then provide suitable dialogues to the user if needed. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.9 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode
Re: Aperture and PM - how to?
Rick, Am/On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:14 + schrieb/wrote Rick Lecoat: On 26/11/07 (03:16) Matthias said: does anyone know, how to set in Apple's apps the mail client to PM? These apps, like Apertue don't respect the standard mail client and let one choose only between Mali, Eudora and Encourage, this is of course not what I want ;-) My guess would be that if an application does not respect the 'Default' mail application (which is set, somewhat controversially, via Apple Mail's preferences) then the only way to force the application to use PM would be with an app-specific patch/hack, like the one that forces iCal to use PM for its email alerts, or the one that adds PM to iPhoto's list of email options. that's exactly what I'm looking for. Do you know, were I can find those patches (for iPhoto and iCal)? Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: Aperture and PM - how to?
Am/On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:14 + schrieb/wrote Rick Lecoat: My guess would be that if an application does not respect the 'Default' mail application (which is set, somewhat controversially, via Apple Mail's preferences) then the only way to force the application to use PM would be with an app-specific patch/hack, like the one that forces iCal to use PM for its email alerts, or the one that adds PM to iPhoto's list of email options. sorry, just found the 2 patches. Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: Threading
Hans Glomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: - reciept- and reading confirmation There is no way to be sure someone has really read your mail unless they've said so, and anyway, a request for automatic confirmation can be construed as an intrusion on privacy. If PowerMail should support this feature in a future version, I would instantly turn it off. This kind of information is nobody's business unless I decide it is. - Threading I've never used a mail client that supported threading, so I don't know _what_ I miss -- but I cannot say that I miss it. All I hear is people complaining about threading not working reliably. For example, I have subscribed to several mailing lists in digest mode. When I am replying to a message within a digest, I am necessarily breaking the thread; there's nothing I can do about it. - In some clients also the possibility to filter for mailing lists Maybe I don't understand what you are missing, but I have filters set up for all the mailing lists I have subscribed to. What is it that filters should do that they don't do already? - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
Re: Threading
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:49:35 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Glomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: - reciept- and reading confirmation There is no way to be sure someone has really read your mail unless they've said so, and anyway, a request for automatic confirmation can be construed as an intrusion on privacy. If PowerMail should support this feature in a future version, I would instantly turn it off. This kind of information is nobody's business unless I decide it is. You are right ;) But my business partner normally confirm it that they read. But what you can do and what the most server understood is, that you can ask the server for a delivery confirmation. Of course you never can be sure that the recipient has read your mail, understood it or put it unread in the trash. - Threading I've never used a mail client that supported threading, so I don't know _what_ I miss -- but I cannot say that I miss it. All I hear is people complaining about threading not working reliably. For example, I have subscribed to several mailing lists in digest mode. When I am replying to a message within a digest, I am necessarily breaking the thread; there's nothing I can do about it. Well if you got 500 Mails each day from different lists and searching for a special theme or want follow a longer thread you will know what I mean ;) Think it's very exhausting if you don't have such a feature. - In some clients also the possibility to filter for mailing lists Maybe I don't understand what you are missing, but I have filters set up for all the mailing lists I have subscribed to. What is it that filters should do that they don't do already? Ok show me the filter for list-id ;) Because the list-id is allways the same address. In some lists you have the list mail into cc in other ones from an also in reply to. -- Greetings Hans
Re: Threading
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 2:05 pm +0100, Hans Gomme wrote: - In some clients also the possibility to filter for mailing lists Maybe I don't understand what you are missing, but I have filters set up for all the mailing lists I have subscribed to. What is it that filters should do that they don't do already? Ok show me the filter for list-id ;) Because the list-id is allways the same address. In some lists you have the list mail into cc in other ones from an also in reply to. There isn't a ready-made filter, but in the 'Filters' pane you can select 'Other field...', and type 'List-Id' into the box. -- TimH PowerMail 5.5.2 (build 4475) | OS X 10.4.9 | PowerBook FW/500 | 1GB RAM
Re: Threading
Hans Gomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok show me the filter for list-id ;) Because the list-id is allways the same address. In some lists you have the list mail into cc in other ones from an also in reply to. Well, if there is a list-id (whatever that is) in the header, then you can filter for it (select Anderes Feld ... if it's not in the standard list of header fields). - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
Re(2): Threading
Hans Gomme scripsit dd. Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:05:59 +0100 (internet: @587) - In some clients also the possibility to filter for mailing lists Maybe I don't understand what you are missing, but I have filters set up for all the mailing lists I have subscribed to. What is it that filters should do that they don't do already? Ok show me the filter for list-id ;) Because the list-id is allways the same address. In some lists you have the list mail into cc in other ones from an also in reply to. -- Greetings Hans You would use the Other Field... option to define your filter criterion. Jan
Re: Threading
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:31:54 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Gomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok show me the filter for list-id ;) Because the list-id is allways the same address. In some lists you have the list mail into cc in other ones from an also in reply to. Well, if there is a list-id (whatever that is) in the header, then you can filter for it (select Anderes Feld ... if it's not in the standard list of header fields). Sorry to say it ;) You are wrong here an example header from a mailman list and that's a header what is strict RFC: List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users mailman-users.python.org List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman- users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you look for example in entourage you also will find there a possibility to filter for that x-header. And all Mailing lists use it doesn't matter if Wikipedia, Yahoo, mailman etc. Also the Postfix developer Mailing list use this and I can't think that special this guys don't use non RFC headers :) -- Greetings Hans
Re: Threading
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:28:49 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There isn't a ready-made filter, but in the 'Filters' pane you can select 'Other field...', and type 'List-Id' into the box. Thank you I will try this :) Will be very helpful for me if it works. -- Greetings Hans
Re: Threading
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:38 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would use the Other Field... option to define your filter criterion. Hi Jan, I try but not so the hit :( Because I see I allways must copy it and paste it into the filter. I also looked into entourage (example) and see that they have a special ruleset for Mailing list called Malinglist rules. Into Gyazmail the field in the rule manager exist. Also for thunderbird you can get a mailing list plugin to make rules using the list-id. But think also must work without that field for now till the developer have change it. How normally they will be informed about missing things? Means how can a user make a suggestion? Thnx for your answer. -- Greetings Hans
Re: Thanksgiving
Tim Lapin / 07.11.25 / 1:30 PM wrote: However, there seems to be a display problem with the page, at least on my wide screen iMac. It appears that there is some text that is cut off above the HOME and Contact options. I can only see the bottom tips of what looks like text. Ouch. Maybe this is a good opportunity for me to pick PM listers brain. That text there are supposed to be hidden. You weren't supposed to look at them! They are keywords for search engine to pickup. I don't know what is the best way to write home page for search engine these days, but they still seems to catch that text I hid there so I think it is kinda working. The problem is that setting css on that text to 1px isn't working, obviously. This is pretty off-topic so off list discussion might be more appropriate. Any suggestion would be appreciated. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
Re: Thanksgiving
The problem is that setting css on that text to 1px isn't working,
obviously. This is pretty off-topic so off list discussion might be
more appropriate. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
I don't have the URL handy, but target that text block and
{ display: none; }
should get rid of it. Maybe even:
{ display: none !important; }
for IE.
Chris
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Re: Thanksgiving
C. A. Niemiec / 07.11.26 / 10:33 AM wrote:
{ display: none !important; }
for IE.
A, This was what I was missing. Not only IE, Opera has this
problem too, and that was the reason I tried to set to 1px. It is
working great now. Thank you!
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
Re: Threading
Hans Glomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sorry to say it ;) You are wrong here an example header from a mailman list and that's a header what is strict RFC: Well, it is as I (and others) have said: If there is a list-id field in the header (not for this list, as far as I can tell), then you can filter for it using Other field ... (I had mentioned the German localization Anderes Feld..., assuming you were German). - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
Re: Threading
Hi Barbara On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:40:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have discussed threading before and it seems that threading is difficult to implement in a mail application. At that time it was something that was NOT going to be included in Power Mail. I missed threading when I first came to Power Mail but now with the other advantages I keep Power Mail anyway. Well think nothing seems easy if you try it :) Some things are difficult other ones not so :) Well the point is not that is will be really difficult to sor a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] But think at that situation. You have a mailing list with 100 e-mails and more each day. Now at first you have a thread let's say A. Then you become answers on that. You will be very interested into that Thread. Then someone say Hey I must look first something before I answer, during the time he think about comes another 500 Mails with other threads. Then you have the thread you ar interested at the bottom some answers maybe in the middle and other ones at the top. Think that's not really a good working. Or you see it not like me? Ok now you can go and say for each thread I'm interested I make a subfolder and filter by topic but think that can't be really a solution?! I'm not sure but I think normal the MUA's I know do the threading by using the message ID. Normal every thread have a starting message id and if you look for example the message ID here (Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) will be during the thread allways the same (local part) only if a reply of a reply follows the host part change. But I'm not the real expert in this thing I only think to remember to read something bout the threading and how it normal works in MUA's. As for as sorting into folders by mailing list, that is easy to set up. Usually I use the Reply-To address when setting up the filter. Now, if you mean some sort WITHIN a mailing list folder, I don't do that. But I have a whole section of mailing lists divided by their names. I make a top folder that says Mailing Lists. Nothing actually goes in to that folder. Then under that there are sub-folders with the name of each list I am on. The List-id field was only a smal problem for me. And for me it's not so necessary like the possibility to sort by thread.
Re: Threading
Hans Gomme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm not sure but I think normal the MUA's I know do the threading by using the message ID. Normal every thread have a starting message id and if you look for example the message ID here (Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) will be during the thread allways the same (local part) only if a reply of a reply follows the host part change. But I'm not the real expert in this thing I only think to remember to read something bout the threading and how it normal works in MUA's. The message ID will be different for each mail within a thread, but there is an In-Reply-To field that contains the message ID of the message replied to; this is used for threading. For example, copying from the header of your message: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the ID of Barbara's message that you replied to. However, sometimes threading doesn't work, either because someone participating in an exchange doesn't use reply or because the reply is to a message within a digest (which has its own message ID that is not connected to any thread). Or someone hits Reply, but edits the subject as he really wants to start a new thread. In the first case, the thread breaks up into two subthreads, and in the second case, mail clients supporting threading will display the message within a thread it doesn't belong to. The List-id field was only a smal problem for me. And for me it's not so necessary like the possibility to sort by thread. But thankfully, filtering for List-id isn't a problem at all; you can do it if you want. If the mail headers do contain a List-id field, that is: of the 16 mailing lists I've subscribed to, only 6 use list-id. - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
Re: Threading
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:27:51 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The message ID will be different for each mail within a thread, but there is an In-Reply-To field that contains the message ID of the message replied to; this is used for threading. For example, copying from the header of your message: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the ID of Barbara's message that you replied to. I see. However, sometimes threading doesn't work, either because someone participating in an exchange doesn't use reply or because the reply is to a message within a digest (which has its own message ID that is not connected to any thread). Or someone hits Reply, but edits the subject as he really wants to start a new thread. In the first case, the thread breaks up into two subthreads, and in the second case, mail clients supporting threading will display the message within a thread it doesn't belong to. Well that can happend allways that someone destroy the thread. The List-id field was only a smal problem for me. And for me it's not so necessary like the possibility to sort by thread. But thankfully, filtering for List-id isn't a problem at all; you can do it if you want. If the mail headers do contain a List-id field, that is: of the 16 mailing lists I've subscribed to, only 6 use list-id. Well at me (ok only subscribed to yahoo and mailman lists (think yahoo also use mailman) there is a list-id. I looked into Gyazmail (because was interested) and also here the thread was displayed good. (without list-id). So I asked myself how other MUA's will do it? They also like I would say cook only with water. But thank you for explaining it to me. Like always to learn new things.
