RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-15 Thread Tristan Leask
I wonder if Ed has had an email from Apple about this post?

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?s=0cc2b08f572c749e2acefd4d30ef1f41showt
opic=251112

We represent Apple Computer, Inc. (Apple) and are authorized to act
on Apple's behalf to investigate and take legal action with respect to
the unauthorized dissemination of Apple's copyrighted material

Oh dear.

Tristan


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Conversation: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!
Subject: RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

I think I spy an iPhoney
Jim

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Subject:RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

http://www.tleask.plus.com/iphone.bmp

And here is the post with the plugins...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1097832postcount=70

Tristan

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Subject: RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

Doh, hang on

Tristan



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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote:
 On Sunday 14 January 2007 3:07 pm, Bill Arnold wrote:
 snip
 The only real way to stop them is to stop people from wanting to use
 them.
 
 Hi Bill!
 
 That is called appeasement Never worked.

Wow! And you know the 'correct' word. How's that called?
Anyway, if you know it is called 'appeasement' you MUST be right.



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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Retard,
 
 Where did I say deport?  I said they would obviously
 be more happy in another country.  Maybe they can all
 go to Argentina where all the other Nazis went.
 

Nah! We are all retards around here. Ask your SS (a.k.a. secret service).

 
 
 --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 Thanks Jeff.

 Sometimes you wonder if some of the people on this
 list wouldn't enjoy the rest of their life better
 in
 some other country.  What's keeping them here? 
 Isn't
 it immoral for them to remain in such a terrible
 place?  I think maybe they should move to France.


 I wonder what you'll have to say about my post. At
 least you won't be
 telling me to go live somewhere else hahaha.

 BTW, what happened with the land of the free? Are
 you now deporting
 those who don't follow Big Brother's line of
 thought?




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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a Jewish
 holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you would
 conveniently forget that.
 

Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive the difference?

 
 
 --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
 control a commodity
 that
 the whole world has developed a dependence on.
 Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
 the mid 70's, it sent
 shock 
 waves through out the entire world economically
 speaking. Double 
 digit inflation, double digit unemployment and
 the deepest economic

 problems that the U.S. had faced since the
 great depression. 

 Yup, that really sucked.


 You seem to forget that was due to the fact that
 USA broke 
 the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
 dollar was to 
 be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
 stopped being 
 backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
 OPEC took action.


 The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17, 1973
 when the
 Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries
 (OAPEC), consisting
 of the Arab members of Organization of Petroleum
 Exporting
 Countries(OPEC) plus Egypt and Syria, announced as a
 result of the
 ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer
 ship petroleum to
 nations that had supported Israel in its conflict
 with Syria and Egypt.
 This included the United States and its allies in
 Western Europe.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

 But on October 17, OPEC struck back against the West
 by imposing an oil
 embargo on the U.S., while increasing prices by 70%
 to America's Western
 European allies. Overnight, the price of a barrel of
 oil to these
 nations rose from $3 to $5.11. [In January 1974,
 they raised it further
 to $11.65.] The U.S. and the Netherlands, in
 particular, were singled
 out for their support of Israel in the war.

 http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html
 The embargo was applied to oil-importing countries
 on a sliding scale
 depending on each country's relationship with
 Israel. The United States,
 the Netherlands, and South Africa were Israel's
 strongest supporters and
 thus bore the brunt of the embargo-a total ban on
 the shipment of Arab
 oil.

 http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Oli-Per/Organization-of
 -Petroleum-Exporting-Countries-OPEC.html



 Bill




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Re: [OT] the root of our problem

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote:
 On Saturday 13 January 2007 8:46 am, Bill Arnold wrote:
 A major example of what I'm saying, which I should have mentioned, is
 Bush's recent speech.

 While listening to it, I found myself really wanting that, for each
 point he made, equal space existed - in that same space - for
 counter-points.
 
 Hi Bill!
 
 Oh, that's right. That you are the status to debate Bush.
 
 Regards,
 
 Pete
 

Yeah Bill! You should get a lobotomy first.




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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Adam Buckland
Ricardo,

Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, if you criticize anything to 
do with Israel you are a Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's tie 
then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American Citizen. If you criticicized 
and are not a US citizen then you're a terrorist.

::a

PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal either.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

Michael Madigan wrote:
 Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a Jewish
 holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you would
 conveniently forget that.
 

Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive the difference?

 
 
 --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
 control a commodity
 that
 the whole world has developed a dependence on.
 Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
 the mid 70's, it sent
 shock 
 waves through out the entire world economically
 speaking. Double 
 digit inflation, double digit unemployment and
 the deepest economic

 problems that the U.S. had faced since the
 great depression. 

 Yup, that really sucked.


 You seem to forget that was due to the fact that
 USA broke 
 the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
 dollar was to 
 be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
 stopped being 
 backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
 OPEC took action.


 The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17, 1973
 when the
 Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries
 (OAPEC), consisting
 of the Arab members of Organization of Petroleum
 Exporting
 Countries(OPEC) plus Egypt and Syria, announced as a
 result of the
 ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer
 ship petroleum to
 nations that had supported Israel in its conflict
 with Syria and Egypt.
 This included the United States and its allies in
 Western Europe.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

 But on October 17, OPEC struck back against the West
 by imposing an oil
 embargo on the U.S., while increasing prices by 70%
 to America's Western
 European allies. Overnight, the price of a barrel of
 oil to these
 nations rose from $3 to $5.11. [In January 1974,
 they raised it further
 to $11.65.] The U.S. and the Netherlands, in
 particular, were singled
 out for their support of Israel in the war.

 http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html
 The embargo was applied to oil-importing countries
 on a sliding scale
 depending on each country's relationship with
 Israel. The United States,
 the Netherlands, and South Africa were Israel's
 strongest supporters and
 thus bore the brunt of the embargo-a total ban on
 the shipment of Arab
 oil.

 http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Oli-Per/Organization-of
 -Petroleum-Exporting-Countries-OPEC.html



 Bill




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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-15 Thread Alan Bourke

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:28:37 -0500, Hal Kaplan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 However could you please provide a
 definition for ...
 
 FIDDLINESS

Fiddly (Adjective) Awkward to do or use, requiring a degree of manual
dexterity

 
 FURTLE
 

Well, I used it in the South Yorkshire context of messing around with,
possibly in a furtive manner. However there is another very hilarious
usage of an adult nature. 
-- 
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Re: Weird menu effect for SkipFor clause (VFP8 SP1)

2007-01-15 Thread Peter Cushing
MB Software Solutions wrote:
 I've got some future online menu options that I disabled with a 1=1 
 in the SkipFor clause.  Yet my tester is still able to run that menu 
 option when he does his testing??!?!??? 

 Anyone else encounter something like this?

   
The only odd thing I've had to do with skipping menus was when having 
say a public var ps_edit and I would put skip for !ps_edit in the 
expression.  This did not work for some reason but skip for ps_edit = 
.f. did work.  Don't know why but as long as it works!

Peter



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Re: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Hill
On 1/15/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Today I received 2 x failed message email regarding messages that I sent
 to Profox some time ago and which appeared correctly on the List some time
 ago.

 Has anyone else had this happen?

I got one a few days ago.  The post definately made it because there
were replies...

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Re: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Kevin Cully
I received one this morning from a post I made several days ago.

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Today I received 2 x failed message email regarding messages that I sent
 to Profox some time ago and which appeared correctly on the List some time
 ago.
 
 Has anyone else had this happen?
 



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[OT] No, Bush is the new Keating

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/01/paul-krugman- 
texas-strategy
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/yzdwkw )

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hundreds of news articles and opinion pieces have described President  
Bush’s decision to escalate the Iraq war as a “Hail Mary pass.”

But that’s the wrong metaphor.

Mr. Bush isn’t Roger Staubach, trying to pull out a win for the  
Dallas Cowboys. He’s Charles Keating, using other people’s money to  
keep Lincoln Savings going long after it should have been shut down —  
and squandering the life savings of thousands of investors, not to  
mention billions in taxpayer dollars, along the way.

The parallel is actually quite exact. During the savings and loan  
scandal of the 1980s, people like Mr. Keating kept failed banks going  
by faking financial success. Mr. Bush has kept a failed war going by  
faking military success.

The “surge” is just another stalling tactic, designed to buy more time.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [OT] No, Bush is the new Keating

2007-01-15 Thread vbiersch
based on what I'm reading here you would advocate giving up before you even got 
started

granted its a fine line but most people give up when they're nearly there

kind of like the old saying
its allways darkest before the dawn

-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:  [OT] No, Bush is the new Keating
Date:  Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:34 am
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To:  ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/01/paul-krugman- 
texas-strategy
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/yzdwkw )

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hundreds of news articles and opinion pieces have described President  
Bush’s decision to escalate the Iraq war as a “Hail Mary pass.”

But that’s the wrong metaphor.

Mr. Bush isn’t Roger Staubach, trying to pull out a win for the  
Dallas Cowboys. He’s Charles Keating, using other people’s money to  
keep Lincoln Savings going long after it should have been shut down —  
and squandering the life savings of thousands of investors, not to  
mention billions in taxpayer dollars, along the way.

The parallel is actually quite exact. During the savings and loan  
scandal of the 1980s, people like Mr. Keating kept failed banks going  
by faking financial success. Mr. Bush has kept a failed war going by  
faking military success.

The “surge” is just another stalling tactic, designed to buy more time.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

-- Ed Leafe
-- http://leafe.com
-- http://dabodev.com




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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Arnold

We're at war today, and I believe it's in large measure due to the
influence of 'Soliders of Israel' in our gov't and media. They've teamed
up with bedfellows in Big Oil and the MI Complex to pull off The most
dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam, as Sen
Hagel put it.

I think we have yet to fully appreciate the depth of what they've done -
that this war is more of a go-for-broke proposition then Vietnam ever
was. If we don't stop them, they'll keep steering us into a storm that
will make war in Vietnam look like a sun shower.

This war isn't about Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Iran; and it's not about
terrorism (which is nothing more or less then a tactic), it's about
authority in the ME - something that we will *never* achieve, yet they
are dedicated to exactly that cause, and they've managed to sucker many
Mr  Mrs Smith's into sending their children to kill and die for their
cause - not to mention the staggering debt and transfer of still more
money-thus-power to the MI Complex and Big Oil.

Distilled to a word, this is about attitudes. Their attitude - and the
attitude of our gov't under their influence - is foreign and anathema to
the core values that - I thought - made America great. For example, all
that's being done in the name of 'security' is the exact opposite of
what should be done in the name of 'freedom'. Soon we'll have less
privacy then we could have ever imagined, and more people around the
world hating us then we can live with. Then, when everything is said and
done, and someone finally asks what happened?, the one-word answer
will be attitude.

If we really want to fix this problem before they make it worse, we'll
put the neocon gang on trial for war crimes and get people into
Washington that care about THIS country. And, yes, it is criminal to
dupe a nation into war. There was no faulty intelligence, there was
deceit.


Bill



 Ricardo,
 
 Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, if you 
 criticize anything to do with Israel you are a Jew Hater. 
 Likewise were you to criticize GWB's tie then you'd be a 
 traitor, were you to be American Citizen. If you criticicized 
 and are not a US citizen then you're a terrorist.
 
 ::a
 
 PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal either.
 
 



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MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Kevin Cully
I've received my DVDs for the M$ Empower program (MSDN) and I'm trying
to install XP inside of VMware on my Linux laptop.  All is going well
until ... I have to enter the product key.  They gave me a card with
several product keys but not for any of the XP OSs.  The card states to
do this and that and to click the Request Keys button.  I have yet to
find it.  The instructions don't match the web site, of course.  I
called the 800 number but it's a holiday today.

Could someone provide me with a walk through of the web site on how to
get the product keys?

If only there was an OS where it didn't need a product key to get it
installed and working!!!  g



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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Bill Arnold wrote:

 We're at war today

No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupying army now.

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 3:54 AM, Tristan Leask wrote:

 I wonder if Ed has had an email from Apple about this post?

Why would they write to me?

 http://www.modaco.com/index.php? 
 s=0cc2b08f572c749e2acefd4d30ef1f41showt
 opic=251112

 We represent Apple Computer, Inc. (Apple) and are authorized to act
 on Apple's behalf to investigate and take legal action with respect to
 the unauthorized dissemination of Apple's copyrighted material

 Oh dear.

What, did you think that Apple's lawyers are nice?

Apple Legal is nearly as evil as Microsoft Legal. They're lawyers,  
every one.

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Re: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

 Today I received 2 x failed message email regarding messages that  
 I sent
 to Profox some time ago and which appeared correctly on the List  
 some time
 ago.

 Has anyone else had this happen?

I'm not sure, but if one of the subscriber's ISP actively bounces an  
email, my server will forward the bounce to the originator. I get  
them occasionally when I post to the list, too, so it isn't just  
picking on you.

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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread vbiersch

you don't know that for a fact
I believe its just a matter of time before new york is hit again

one thing I do agree with bill on
if you watched 24 last night there is a guy taking all rights away
forget his name, just look for the weasel
-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date:  Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:43 am
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On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Bill Arnold wrote:

 We're at war today

No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupying army now.

-- Ed Leafe
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-- http://dabodev.com




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RE: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Rodney Dixon
1.  Go to http://msdn.microsoft.com

2.  There should be a link almost at the top on the right hand side
named Manage My Subscriptions, click on this.  Do you Passport stuff if
necessary.

3.  You should be on the MSDN Subscription Management page.  The first
link should be Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys.

I can't go any farther than that because it seems that my employer has
let my subscription expire.  But, that should get you close enough to
where you can view/request the needed installation keys.

Regards
Rodney

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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: MSDN Path to Product Key?
 
 I've received my DVDs for the M$ Empower program (MSDN) and I'm trying
 to install XP inside of VMware on my Linux laptop.  All is going well
 until ... I have to enter the product key.  They gave me a card with
 several product keys but not for any of the XP OSs.  The card states
to
 do this and that and to click the Request Keys button.  I have yet
to
 find it.  The instructions don't match the web site, of course.  I
 called the 800 number but it's a holiday today.
 
 Could someone provide me with a walk through of the web site on how to
 get the product keys?
 
 If only there was an OS where it didn't need a product key to get it
 installed and working!!!  g
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 you don't know that for a fact

Two words: Mission Accomplished.

 I believe its just a matter of time before new york is hit again

Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time until the Packers win  
the Super Bowl.

See, I can throw out irrelevant predictions, too.

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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Kevin Cully
Whew.  I think I finally figured it out.  I had to associate my Partner
program subscription with the MSDN thingie and then all sorts of other
things showed up.  One of them allowed me to get product keys.

Confusing as heck!

Thanks Rodney!

Rodney Dixon wrote:
 1.  Go to http://msdn.microsoft.com
 
 2.  There should be a link almost at the top on the right hand side
 named Manage My Subscriptions, click on this.  Do you Passport stuff if
 necessary.
 
 3.  You should be on the MSDN Subscription Management page.  The first
 link should be Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys.
 
 I can't go any farther than that because it seems that my employer has
 let my subscription expire.  But, that should get you close enough to
 where you can view/request the needed installation keys.
 
 Regards
 Rodney
 



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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread vbiersch

let's hope you're right and I'm wrong
-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:  Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan
Date:  Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:14 am
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To:  ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com

On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 you don't know that for a fact

Two words: Mission Accomplished.

 I believe its just a matter of time before new york is hit again

Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time until the Packers win  
the Super Bowl.

See, I can throw out irrelevant predictions, too.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-15 Thread Hal Kaplan
= 
= Steve will be going in about a month from now for a hip 
= replacement on his right hip. We do seem to be getting the 
= care we need after a few false starts here and there, but we 
= also wonder about what it would be like if we weren't so 
= pushy about making sure we got it.
= 
= Kristyne McDaniel
=

I hope all goes well.  Fortunately that is not an uncommon procedure so the 
odds are well in your favor for a complete and successful recovery.  As far as 
what would happen if you weren't so pushy ... you're intelligent and savvy, I 
think you know the answer to that question.  Medical attention is like anything 
else that you buy.  Caveat emptor.

B+
HALinNY


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RE: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Rodney Dixon
I ran into that same problem when I went from a subscription that was
individually purchased to one that was on a volume license.  It took
several attempts to get it associated correctly with my Passport.  I
just love the way MS makes things simple

Regards
Rodney

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:15 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?
 
 Whew.  I think I finally figured it out.  I had to associate my
Partner
 program subscription with the MSDN thingie and then all sorts of other
 things showed up.  One of them allowed me to get product keys.
 
 Confusing as heck!
 
 Thanks Rodney!
 
 Rodney Dixon wrote:
  1.  Go to http://msdn.microsoft.com
 
  2.  There should be a link almost at the top on the right hand side
  named Manage My Subscriptions, click on this.  Do you Passport stuff
if
  necessary.
 
  3.  You should be on the MSDN Subscription Management page.  The
first
  link should be Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys.
 
  I can't go any farther than that because it seems that my employer
has
  let my subscription expire.  But, that should get you close enough
to
  where you can view/request the needed installation keys.
 
  Regards
  Rodney
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Arnold
  We're at war today
 
   No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an 
 occupying army now.


We've got our finger stuck in Muslim/Arab eyes, and we're one more
serious attack away from a far deeper appreciation of what's been
wrought on us by the warmongers occupying our capital and information
supply.

We don't understand or respect our enemy. Despite all the lessons of
history, we've been led to believe that all we have to do is send in the
Marines and our enemies will cower under our shock and awe. What
actually happened on the way to that throne is already history; what
happens next is anyone's guess, but by now we should already know it's
not going to be the grand and glorious victory-over-evil bill of goods
we've been sold on.

Decades ago, we went through the Cuban missile crisis, and a brush with
disaster the likes of which we still can't imagine, yet with that
experience solidly under our belt, we have not taken the steps necessary
to prevent that possibility from ever happening again - instead we did
the opposite: more weapons, more bombs, more shock and awe - and more
belligerence.

What will it take for us to finally learn that war in the nuclear age is
not an option? Why can't we grasp a simple truth: that when we disagree
with the rulers of another country, the solution isn't to kill or starve
all the people in that country, who were just victims themselves, but to
use national and international diplomacy to deal with the errant ruler?
We are aware that those bunker-busters being readied for Iran are
actually nuclear weapons, right?

I know - these are all statements of the obvious, and shouldn't even
have to be said, but here we are today, closer to nightmare scenarios at
home (Big Brother) and abroad (war) then we could have imagined not too
many years ago. The scariest part isn't what's happening already, but
what is very likely to happen next if we don't do what we have to do.
We, the American people, didn't bring this on, it was done for us, by
that gang and their cohorts. They're not telling us this, but I'll say
it: we need to choose between their attitude and their direction - and
the principles we want to live by. 



Bill





 
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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Rodney Dixon wrote:
 I ran into that same problem when I went from a subscription that was
 individually purchased to one that was on a volume license.  It took
 several attempts to get it associated correctly with my Passport.  I
 just love the way MS makes things simple

I ran into similar problems when I entered my name to associate my 
Passport, it kept telling me it was invalid... turns out the data entry 
idiots at MSFT spelled my name wrong - despite the fact that my email 
address, with my name in it, was the next item to enter.

Quality is Job 1.1 over there

Whil

 Regards
 Rodney
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:15 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

 Whew.  I think I finally figured it out.  I had to associate my
 Partner
 program subscription with the MSDN thingie and then all sorts of other
 things showed up.  One of them allowed me to get product keys.

 Confusing as heck!

 Thanks Rodney!

 Rodney Dixon wrote:
 1.  Go to http://msdn.microsoft.com

 2.  There should be a link almost at the top on the right hand side
 named Manage My Subscriptions, click on this.  Do you Passport stuff
 if
 necessary.

 3.  You should be on the MSDN Subscription Management page.  The
 first
 link should be Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys.

 I can't go any farther than that because it seems that my employer
 has
 let my subscription expire.  But, that should get you close enough
 to
 where you can view/request the needed installation keys.

 Regards
 Rodney



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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/15/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quality is Job 1.1 over there


Well, it was supposed to be in Job 1.1, but it didn't make the cut:
when Job 1.1 was due to ship, Microsoft decided that Quality didn't
meet its standards, so it has been deferred to Job 1.1 Service Pack 2,
which Microsoft says should be ready first half of 2005, er, 2006, no,
2007...
-- 
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RE: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Rodney Dixon
LOL

Regards
Rodney

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ted Roche
 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:12 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?
 
 On 1/15/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Quality is Job 1.1 over there
 
 
 Well, it was supposed to be in Job 1.1, but it didn't make the cut:
 when Job 1.1 was due to ship, Microsoft decided that Quality didn't
 meet its standards, so it has been deferred to Job 1.1 Service Pack 2,
 which Microsoft says should be ready first half of 2005, er, 2006, no,
 2007...
 --
 Ted Roche
 Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
 http://www.tedroche.com
 
 
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Helio W.
Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica.

On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 one thing I do agree with bill on
 if you watched 24 last night there is a guy taking all rights away
 forget his name, just look for the weasel


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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

 turns out the data entry
 idiots at MSFT spelled my name wrong - despite the fact that my email
 address, with my name in it, was the next item to enter.

Did they see Whil and oh-so-helpfully correct it for you? I  
suppose that there are at least a few folks who would assume _you_  
made a data entry error, just because they hadn't seen it before. How  
many variations of Whil do you get?

I admit that I did a triple take on it the first time I saw it. (Then  
again, etching in stone isn't usually as prone to errors as plain ol'  
typing!)

Ken


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Showing the time only portion of a VFP datetime field in a grid column

2007-01-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
VFP8 SP1 -- I've got a datetime field that is essentially used to store 
start/stop times.  I want to only show the time portion in the grid 
column.  The source for the grid is a view.  I'm thinking I should just 
create a field in the view with the TTOC(tField,2) expression. 

Does anyone have a better idea?

-- 
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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Kevin Cully
* XP Is full installed
* 63 patches installed
* VFP Installed with SP1 installed

... and it's pretty peppy!  My vfp benchmarks are showing that it's
about twice as fast inside of VMware with XP on my Duo Core 2 1.8GHz
than my XP P4 2.4GHz.  Of course, I'm not running virus protection,
firewall, or adware either.  And it hasn't had a chance to slow down
over the years of registry abuse. g

I'm going to keep doing my major VFP development on the P4.  It's nice
to know that VFP is there for me when I visit a client.

Kevin Cully wrote:
 Whew.  I think I finally figured it out.  I had to associate my Partner
 program subscription with the MSDN thingie and then all sorts of other
 things showed up.  One of them allowed me to get product keys.
 
 Confusing as heck!
 
 Thanks Rodney!
 
 Rodney Dixon wrote:
 1.  Go to http://msdn.microsoft.com

 2.  There should be a link almost at the top on the right hand side
 named Manage My Subscriptions, click on this.  Do you Passport stuff if
 necessary.

 3.  You should be on the MSDN Subscription Management page.  The first
 link should be Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys.

 I can't go any farther than that because it seems that my employer has
 let my subscription expire.  But, that should get you close enough to
 where you can view/request the needed installation keys.

 Regards
 Rodney

 
 
 
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RE: Showing the time only portion of a VFP datetime field in a gridcolumn

2007-01-15 Thread Dave Crozier
Michael,

Controlsource==Substr(Transform(Datetime()),12)

Dave Crozier

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Of MB Software Solutions
Sent: 15 January 2007 16:57
To: Profox
Subject: Showing the time only portion of a VFP datetime field in a
gridcolumn

VFP8 SP1 -- I've got a datetime field that is essentially used to store 
start/stop times.  I want to only show the time portion in the grid 
column.  The source for the grid is a view.  I'm thinking I should just 
create a field in the view with the TTOC(tField,2) expression. 

Does anyone have a better idea?

-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!



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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Bill Arnold wrote:

 No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an
 occupying army now.

 We don't understand or respect our enemy.

We should be able to understand that they aren't that different from  
us when it comes to dealing with an occupying army. Imagine being in  
the same situation: don't you think that, no matter how nice and  
sweet the intentions of the occupiers were, that every patriotic  
American would be doing anything they could to attack them? To drive  
them out? To take back our country from this occupying force?

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 3:54 AM, Tristan Leask wrote:

 Oh dear.

I've looked around the site, and apparently it's a PocketPC site  
that had posted a way to copy the look of iPhone to a PocketPC. They  
weren't just showing pictures, but rather were copying the iPhone  
images.

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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 
 turns out the data entry
 idiots at MSFT spelled my name wrong - despite the fact that my email
 address, with my name in it, was the next item to enter.
 
 Did they see Whil and oh-so-helpfully correct it for you? I  
 suppose that there are at least a few folks who would assume _you_  
 made a data entry error, just because they hadn't seen it before. How  
 many variations of Whil do you get?

Nope, it was the 'hentzen' part.

Of course, on my msdn sub, it's '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. And that part 
was found in their database. Just not Whil Hentzen.

Step 1. I send them this email:

  I've received an MSDN subscription as part of the MVP program
  (where MVPs can offer a complementary one year MSDN sub to a business
  associate). I have received the MSDN box and am trying to install
  WinXP on a test machine, but I need a Benefit Access Number:   .
 
  https://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/subscriptions/add/default.aspx
 
  I can't find this number on any of the paperwork I've got here. I've
  tried the MSDN Subscriber ID I received in an email (see below) as
  well as the ID on the shipping paper (nn) but neither were
  found in your system.

Step 2. They answer:

  Hello Whil,
 
  Thank you for your question. The Benefit Access Number is your MSDN
  Subscriber number: nn

Step 3. I respond:

Yes, I know that. (Look in the Subscriber Information section below.)

As I stated in my email, I've already tried that, and I still get the
The data you provided could not be located in our system

Step 4. They respond:

Thank you for your reply. However, we do not have a fix or work around 
for this problem at this time.

Don't you just love them?

 I admit that I did a triple take on it the first time I saw it. (Then  
 again, etching in stone isn't usually as prone to errors as plain ol'  
 typing!)

Yes, many people look at me odd when they first see it. I've thought 
about switching it back but that would cause even more problems 
Prolly shouldn't have ever gone to college in the first place.

Whil


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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Its only irrelevant if it doesn’t happen.
Way too soon for you to say it ain't going to happen.

But for what its worth, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. 


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Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:14 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 you don't know that for a fact

Two words: Mission Accomplished.

 I believe its just a matter of time before new york is hit again

Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time until the Packers win
the Super Bowl.

See, I can throw out irrelevant predictions, too.

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RE: [NF] SQL Server: Bulk insert error

2007-01-15 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, January 15, 2007 1:04 PM I wrote:

I am creating a temporary cursor then a bulk insert and I get an error:
The current user is not the database or object owner of table
'#temptable'. Cannot perform the 
SET operation.

I found the KB #302621 that says it is a Bug.  Thanks anyway... 

David L. Crooks


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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I agree with everything you're saying except for the last two lines. 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Bill Arnold
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:52 AM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

  We're at war today
 
   No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an occupying army now.


We've got our finger stuck in Muslim/Arab eyes, and we're one more serious
attack away from a far deeper appreciation of what's been wrought on us by
the warmongers occupying our capital and information supply.

We don't understand or respect our enemy. Despite all the lessons of
history, we've been led to believe that all we have to do is send in the
Marines and our enemies will cower under our shock and awe. What actually
happened on the way to that throne is already history; what happens next is
anyone's guess, but by now we should already know it's not going to be the
grand and glorious victory-over-evil bill of goods we've been sold on.

Decades ago, we went through the Cuban missile crisis, and a brush with
disaster the likes of which we still can't imagine, yet with that experience
solidly under our belt, we have not taken the steps necessary to prevent
that possibility from ever happening again - instead we did the opposite:
more weapons, more bombs, more shock and awe - and more belligerence.

What will it take for us to finally learn that war in the nuclear age is not
an option? Why can't we grasp a simple truth: that when we disagree with the
rulers of another country, the solution isn't to kill or starve all the
people in that country, who were just victims themselves, but to use
national and international diplomacy to deal with the errant ruler?
We are aware that those bunker-busters being readied for Iran are actually
nuclear weapons, right?

I know - these are all statements of the obvious, and shouldn't even have to
be said, but here we are today, closer to nightmare scenarios at home (Big
Brother) and abroad (war) then we could have imagined not too many years
ago. The scariest part isn't what's happening already, but what is very
likely to happen next if we don't do what we have to do.
We, the American people, didn't bring this on, it was done for us, by that
gang and their cohorts. They're not telling us this, but I'll say
it: we need to choose between their attitude and their direction - and the
principles we want to live by. 



Bill





 
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
There is no difference.  I haven't met one Israeli
hater that wasn't a Jew-hater.


--- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Michael Madigan wrote:
  Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
 Jewish
  holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
 would
  conveniently forget that.
  
 
 Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive
 the difference?
 
  
  
  --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
  control a commodity
  that
  the whole world has developed a dependence on.
  Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
  the mid 70's, it sent
  shock 
  waves through out the entire world
 economically
  speaking. Double 
  digit inflation, double digit unemployment and
  the deepest economic
 
  problems that the U.S. had faced since the
  great depression. 
 
  Yup, that really sucked.
 
 
  You seem to forget that was due to the fact that
  USA broke 
  the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
  dollar was to 
  be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
  stopped being 
  backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
  OPEC took action.
 
 
  The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17,
 1973
  when the
  Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting
 Countries
  (OAPEC), consisting
  of the Arab members of Organization of Petroleum
  Exporting
  Countries(OPEC) plus Egypt and Syria, announced
 as a
  result of the
  ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer
  ship petroleum to
  nations that had supported Israel in its conflict
  with Syria and Egypt.
  This included the United States and its allies in
  Western Europe.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
 
  But on October 17, OPEC struck back against the
 West
  by imposing an oil
  embargo on the U.S., while increasing prices by
 70%
  to America's Western
  European allies. Overnight, the price of a barrel
 of
  oil to these
  nations rose from $3 to $5.11. [In January 1974,
  they raised it further
  to $11.65.] The U.S. and the Netherlands, in
  particular, were singled
  out for their support of Israel in the war.
 
 

http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html
  The embargo was applied to oil-importing
 countries
  on a sliding scale
  depending on each country's relationship with
  Israel. The United States,
  the Netherlands, and South Africa were Israel's
  strongest supporters and
  thus bore the brunt of the embargo-a total ban on
  the shipment of Arab
  oil.
 
 

http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Oli-Per/Organization-of
  -Petroleum-Exporting-Countries-OPEC.html
 
 
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
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[OT] Thought for the Day

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that  
matter
- the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

-- Ed Leafe
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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew
Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.


--- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ricardo,
 
 Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, if
 you criticize anything to do with Israel you are a
 Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's tie
 then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American
 Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US
 citizen then you're a terrorist.
 
 ::a
 
 PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal either.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Ricardo Aráoz
 Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to
 offer own plan
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
  Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
 Jewish
  holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
 would
  conveniently forget that.
  
 
 Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive
 the difference?
 
  
  
  --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
  control a commodity
  that
  the whole world has developed a dependence on.
  Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
  the mid 70's, it sent
  shock 
  waves through out the entire world
 economically
  speaking. Double 
  digit inflation, double digit unemployment and
  the deepest economic
 
  problems that the U.S. had faced since the
  great depression. 
 
  Yup, that really sucked.
 
 
  You seem to forget that was due to the fact that
  USA broke 
  the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
  dollar was to 
  be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
  stopped being 
  backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
  OPEC took action.
 
 
  The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17,
 1973
  when the
  Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting
 Countries
  (OAPEC), consisting
  of the Arab members of Organization of Petroleum
  Exporting
  Countries(OPEC) plus Egypt and Syria, announced
 as a
  result of the
  ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer
  ship petroleum to
  nations that had supported Israel in its conflict
  with Syria and Egypt.
  This included the United States and its allies in
  Western Europe.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
 
  But on October 17, OPEC struck back against the
 West
  by imposing an oil
  embargo on the U.S., while increasing prices by
 70%
  to America's Western
  European allies. Overnight, the price of a barrel
 of
  oil to these
  nations rose from $3 to $5.11. [In January 1974,
  they raised it further
  to $11.65.] The U.S. and the Netherlands, in
  particular, were singled
  out for their support of Israel in the war.
 
 

http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html
  The embargo was applied to oil-importing
 countries
  on a sliding scale
  depending on each country's relationship with
  Israel. The United States,
  the Netherlands, and South Africa were Israel's
  strongest supporters and
  thus bore the brunt of the embargo-a total ban on
  the shipment of Arab
  oil.
 
 

http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Oli-Per/Organization-of
  -Petroleum-Exporting-Countries-OPEC.html
 
 
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
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Re: [NF] IE7 and MS Virtual Earth Mapping conflict with FireFox

2007-01-15 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 09:25 AM 1/14/2007 -0500, Bill Arnold wrote:

Ran into a problem yesterday that might affect others, so will mention.

I'm using the MS Virtual Earth mapping service (customized based on Dave
Crozier's example), and it worked fine, but this week my customer
started getting 'access denied' messages when using it.
...

Lessons learned:

1. FireFox cannot be running when the mapping service is accessed (and
IE7 is installed).
2. It seems that having (temporarily) made IE7 the default browser was a
factor in solving this

Why the hell are people still using IE

Better lesson learned: get the hell away from MS stuff!


-Charlie 



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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 snippedStep 3. I respond:

 Yes, I know that. (Look in the Subscriber Information section below.)

 As I stated in my email, I've already tried that, and I still get the
 The data you provided could not be located in our system

 Step 4. They respond:

 Thank you for your reply. However, we do not have a fix or work around 
 for this problem at this time.

 Don't you just love them?
 snipped
That's because they have something in their call center logic like this:

IF Caller = 'HENTZEN' then  f*ck with him since he's a Linux guy
do quality1_1
ELSE  regular customer
do quality2_0
endif

-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
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http://fabmate.com
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
The same old shit.  Mission Accomplished.  He can't
come up with anything better.


--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
  you don't know that for a fact
 
   Two words: Mission Accomplished.
 
  I believe its just a matter of time before new
 york is hit again
 
   Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time
 until the Packers win  
 the Super Bowl.
 
   See, I can throw out irrelevant predictions, too.
 
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 -- http://dabodev.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Based on past performance, what are the odds that Ed
is right about it?  Zero?  

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 let's hope you're right and I'm wrong
 -Original Message-
 
 From:  Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subj:  Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer
 own plan
 Date:  Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:14 am
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 To:  ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 
 On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
  you don't know that for a fact
 
   Two words: Mission Accomplished.
 
  I believe its just a matter of time before new
 york is hit again
 
   Hey, I believe that it's just a matter of time
 until the Packers win  
 the Super Bowl.
 
   See, I can throw out irrelevant predictions, too.
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 -- http://leafe.com
 -- http://dabodev.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Kennedy stared the bastards in the eye and the
Russians backed down.

That's what we have to do with the rag heads.




--- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   We're at war today
  
  No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an 
  occupying army now.
 
 
 We've got our finger stuck in Muslim/Arab eyes, and
 we're one more
 serious attack away from a far deeper appreciation
 of what's been
 wrought on us by the warmongers occupying our
 capital and information
 supply.
 
 We don't understand or respect our enemy. Despite
 all the lessons of
 history, we've been led to believe that all we have
 to do is send in the
 Marines and our enemies will cower under our shock
 and awe. What
 actually happened on the way to that throne is
 already history; what
 happens next is anyone's guess, but by now we should
 already know it's
 not going to be the grand and glorious
 victory-over-evil bill of goods
 we've been sold on.
 
 Decades ago, we went through the Cuban missile
 crisis, and a brush with
 disaster the likes of which we still can't imagine,
 yet with that
 experience solidly under our belt, we have not taken
 the steps necessary
 to prevent that possibility from ever happening
 again - instead we did
 the opposite: more weapons, more bombs, more shock
 and awe - and more
 belligerence.
 
 What will it take for us to finally learn that war
 in the nuclear age is
 not an option? Why can't we grasp a simple truth:
 that when we disagree
 with the rulers of another country, the solution
 isn't to kill or starve
 all the people in that country, who were just
 victims themselves, but to
 use national and international diplomacy to deal
 with the errant ruler?
 We are aware that those bunker-busters being
 readied for Iran are
 actually nuclear weapons, right?
 
 I know - these are all statements of the obvious,
 and shouldn't even
 have to be said, but here we are today, closer to
 nightmare scenarios at
 home (Big Brother) and abroad (war) then we could
 have imagined not too
 many years ago. The scariest part isn't what's
 happening already, but
 what is very likely to happen next if we don't do
 what we have to do.
 We, the American people, didn't bring this on, it
 was done for us, by
 that gang and their cohorts. They're not telling us
 this, but I'll say
 it: we need to choose between their attitude and
 their direction - and
 the principles we want to live by. 
 
 
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
  
  -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Thought for the Day

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Where are the white women at?
-  Martin Luther King



--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread john harvey
I like the show, but I'm having a hard time figuring it out. I don't watch
it all the time, but it seems everytime I do, the president is going along
with a plan to kill Jack Bauer. Jack just keeps on keeping on though, and
winds up shooting a bunch of people, saving the day and then goes right back
into the fold. Am I missing something, or is this what is happening?

John

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Never saw it...
Was typing on the treo earlier so couldn't type much..

24 last night has a little weasel that advises the president..
He's doing his best to throw all the laws out and arrest everybody...

This is one area that I do agree with bill on and that is that there are
people who would like to do this to us now. 


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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:26 AM
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Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica.

On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 one thing I do agree with bill on
 if you watched 24 last night there is a guy taking all rights away 
 forget his name, just look for the weasel


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RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Nope that’s it

Its interesting how they mix current day events into the show though..

If you're looking for something more then fiction though, well its just
entertainment...

I try not to watch too many shows because they are a big time killer and I
have things I want to accomplish.
I do like this one and ncis and the unit...

Other then that, its just an occasional movie 


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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:37 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

I like the show, but I'm having a hard time figuring it out. I don't watch
it all the time, but it seems everytime I do, the president is going along
with a plan to kill Jack Bauer. Jack just keeps on keeping on though, and
winds up shooting a bunch of people, saving the day and then goes right back
into the fold. Am I missing something, or is this what is happening?

John

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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

Never saw it...
Was typing on the treo earlier so couldn't type much..

24 last night has a little weasel that advises the president..
He's doing his best to throw all the laws out and arrest everybody...

This is one area that I do agree with bill on and that is that there are
people who would like to do this to us now. 


Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:26 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

Wrong show. You should watch Battlestar Galactica.

On 1/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 one thing I do agree with bill on
 if you watched 24 last night there is a guy taking all rights away 
 forget his name, just look for the weasel


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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but correct to hate Islamic 
Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for that matter.  Hitler 
hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate sentiments today are being 
driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME decent.  Compare and 
contrast what happened to the Jewish people under Hitler's Nazi regime, 
and what is happening today against people of the ME who are of Islamic 
Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of the US.

1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that the Jewish people were 
the root of all Germany's problems.
2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required that all Jewish people 
identify themselves by wearing a big, bright, yellow star of David on 
their clothing.  This made it easy to identify the Jewish people for 
discrimination and shunning.
3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership and rights to property 
in the hand of the Jewish people.
4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish people; isolating them in 
designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were stripped of all their 
property and driven into the ghettos with nothing more than the clothes 
on their backs.
5)  Last came the Final Solution; the extermination of the Jewish 
people from the face of the earth.

I don't think Hitler originally planned an extermination of all Jews.  
In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the German people, went 
through a progression of baby steps; each step lending itself to the 
next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the final solution.  Anyone 
examining the progression of step should have realized early on that the 
final solutions was the destination of Hitler's anti-semitic ship, even 
if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the time know they were on 
a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder and sails had been set, 
and nothing shot of a conscience change in course could have prevented 
the Holocaust.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew
Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.


--- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Ricardo,

Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind, if
you criticize anything to do with Israel you are a
Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's tie
then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American
Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US
citizen then you're a terrorist.

::a

PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal either.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to
offer own plan

Michael Madigan wrote:


Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
  

Jewish


holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
  

would


conveniently forget that.

  

Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you perceive
the difference?



--- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
  

control a commodity
that


the whole world has developed a dependence on.
Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
  

the mid 70's, it sent
shock 


waves through out the entire world
  

economically


speaking. Double 


digit inflation, double digit unemployment and
  

the deepest economic



problems that the U.S. had faced since the
  

great depression. 


Yup, that really sucked.



You seem to forget that was due to the fact that
  

USA broke 


the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
  

dollar was to 


be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
  

stopped being 


backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
  

OPEC took action.


The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17,


1973


when the
Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting


Countries


(OAPEC), consisting
of the Arab members of Organization of Petroleum
Exporting
Countries(OPEC) plus Egypt and Syria, announced


as a


result of the
ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer
ship petroleum to
nations that had supported Israel in its conflict
with Syria and Egypt.
This included the United States and its allies in
Western Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

But on October 17, OPEC struck back against the


West


by imposing an oil
embargo on the U.S., while increasing prices by


70%


to America's Western
European allies. Overnight, the price of a barrel


of


oil to these
nations rose from $3 to $5.11. [In January 1974,
they raised it further
to $11.65.] The U.S. and the Netherlands, in
particular, were singled
out for their support of Israel in the war.



http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html
  

The 

Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 I remember walking down an alley in the late 70's looking for a bar in
 alexandria egypt..
 A little ole guy come up missing an arm and knife cuts on his face  
 and said
 you don't belong here.

Sounds like some of the locals in Mississippi or Alabama, who aren't  
exactly known for their hospitality and openness to people from other  
parts of the country, especially folks from up north, or those whose  
ethnic heritage doesn't match theirs. Not much difference between  
them and your Egyptian friend.

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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Lets see.

Israel has never attacked us.  


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
 correct to hate Islamic 
 Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for that
 matter.  Hitler 
 hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate sentiments
 today are being 
 driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
 decent.  Compare and 
 contrast what happened to the Jewish people under
 Hitler's Nazi regime, 
 and what is happening today against people of the ME
 who are of Islamic 
 Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of the
 US.
 
 1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that the
 Jewish people were 
 the root of all Germany's problems.
 2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required
 that all Jewish people 
 identify themselves by wearing a big, bright, yellow
 star of David on 
 their clothing.  This made it easy to identify the
 Jewish people for 
 discrimination and shunning.
 3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership and
 rights to property 
 in the hand of the Jewish people.
 4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish people;
 isolating them in 
 designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were
 stripped of all their 
 property and driven into the ghettos with nothing
 more than the clothes 
 on their backs.
 5)  Last came the Final Solution; the
 extermination of the Jewish 
 people from the face of the earth.
 
 I don't think Hitler originally planned an
 extermination of all Jews.  
 In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
 German people, went 
 through a progression of baby steps; each step
 lending itself to the 
 next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the final
 solution.  Anyone 
 examining the progression of step should have
 realized early on that the 
 final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
 anti-semitic ship, even 
 if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
 time know they were on 
 a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder and
 sails had been set, 
 and nothing shot of a conscience change in course
 could have prevented 
 the Holocaust.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew
 Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.
 
 
 --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   
 
 Ricardo,
 
 Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind,
 if
 you criticize anything to do with Israel you are a
 Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's
 tie
 then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American
 Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US
 citizen then you're a terrorist.
 
 ::a
 
 PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal
 either.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Ricardo Aráoz
 Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to
 offer own plan
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 
 Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
   
 
 Jewish
 
 
 holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
   
 
 would
 
 
 conveniently forget that.
 
   
 
 Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you
 perceive
 the difference?
 
 
 
 --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
   
 
 control a commodity
 that
 
 
 the whole world has developed a dependence
 on.
 Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
   
 
 the mid 70's, it sent
 shock 
 
 
 waves through out the entire world
   
 
 economically
 
 
 speaking. Double 
 
 
 digit inflation, double digit unemployment
 and
   
 
 the deepest economic
 
 
 
 problems that the U.S. had faced since the
   
 
 great depression. 
 
 
 Yup, that really sucked.
 
 
 
 You seem to forget that was due to the fact
 that
   
 
 USA broke 
 
 
 the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
   
 
 dollar was to 
 
 
 be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
   
 
 stopped being 
 
 
 backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
   
 
 OPEC took action.
 
 
 The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17,
 
 
 1973
 
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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
 Don't you just love them?
 snipped
 That's because they have something in their call center logic like this:
 
 IF Caller = 'HENTZEN' then  f*ck with him since he's a Linux guy
 do quality1_1
 ELSE  regular customer
 do quality2_0
 endif

HAVEN'T YOU BEEN READING THE THREAD??

They've got my last name _misspelled_!!

So it'd have to be

if caller = Hentzen
   or caller = Henten
   or caller = Henzen
   or caller = Hertzen
   or caller = Hanson
   or caller = Henson  that muppet guy?
   or caller = Hansin
   or caller = Hertzenwerke
   or 

bg

Whil





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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 Don't you just love them?
 snipped
   
 That's because they have something in their call center logic like this:

 IF Caller = 'HENTZEN' then  f*ck with him since he's a Linux guy
 do quality1_1
 ELSE  regular customer
 do quality2_0
 endif
 

 HAVEN'T YOU BEEN READING THE THREAD??

 They've got my last name _misspelled_!!

 So it'd have to be

 if caller = Hentzen
or caller = Henten
or caller = Henzen
or caller = Hertzen
or caller = Hanson
or caller = Henson  that muppet guy?
or caller = Hansin
or caller = Hertzenwerke
or 

 bg

 Whil

   
ROFL!


-- 
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http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US.  We were attacked by a small 
group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11.  The attackers pledged alliance to no 
country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of Al Qauda's  Jolly 
Roger's skill and bones.  g  The attackers of 9/11 were not of a 
single race; although, they we likely all of the same Islamic Sunni 
Muslim religion.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

Lets see.

Israel has never attacked us.  


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
correct to hate Islamic 
Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for that
matter.  Hitler 
hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate sentiments
today are being 
driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
decent.  Compare and 
contrast what happened to the Jewish people under
Hitler's Nazi regime, 
and what is happening today against people of the ME
who are of Islamic 
Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of the
US.

1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that the
Jewish people were 
the root of all Germany's problems.
2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required
that all Jewish people 
identify themselves by wearing a big, bright, yellow
star of David on 
their clothing.  This made it easy to identify the
Jewish people for 
discrimination and shunning.
3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership and
rights to property 
in the hand of the Jewish people.
4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish people;
isolating them in 
designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were
stripped of all their 
property and driven into the ghettos with nothing
more than the clothes 
on their backs.
5)  Last came the Final Solution; the
extermination of the Jewish 
people from the face of the earth.

I don't think Hitler originally planned an
extermination of all Jews.  
In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
German people, went 
through a progression of baby steps; each step
lending itself to the 
next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the final
solution.  Anyone 
examining the progression of step should have
realized early on that the 
final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
anti-semitic ship, even 
if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
time know they were on 
a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder and
sails had been set, 
and nothing shot of a conscience change in course
could have prevented 
the Holocaust.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:



I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew
Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.


--- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

wrote:


 

  

Ricardo,

Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels mind,


if


you criticize anything to do with Israel you are a
Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's


tie


then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American
Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US
citizen then you're a terrorist.

::a

PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal


either.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to
offer own plan

Michael Madigan wrote:
   



Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
 

  

Jewish
   



holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
 

  

would
   



conveniently forget that.

 

  

Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you


perceive


the difference?

   



--- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

  

It wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't
 

  

control a commodity
that
   



the whole world has developed a dependence
  

on.


Oil When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in
 

  

the mid 70's, it sent
shock 
   



waves through out the entire world
 

  

economically
   



speaking. Double 
   



digit inflation, double digit unemployment
  

and


 

  

the deepest economic

   



problems that the U.S. had faced since the
 

  

great depression. 
   



Yup, that really sucked.

   



You seem to forget that was due to the fact
  

that


 

  

USA broke 
   



the Bretton Woods agreement which stated that
 

  

dollar was to 
   



be tied to gold reserves in USA. The dollar
 

  

stopped being 
   



backed by gold, it started devaluating and the
 

  

OPEC took action.


The 1973 oil crisis first began on October 17,
   


Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
We were still at war from their 1991 invasion of
Kuwait.


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US.  We were
 attacked by a small 
 group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11.  The attackers
 pledged alliance to no 
 country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of Al
 Qauda's  Jolly 
 Roger's skill and bones.  g  The attackers of 9/11
 were not of a 
 single race; although, they we likely all of the
 same Islamic Sunni 
 Muslim religion.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 Lets see.
 
 Israel has never attacked us.  
 
 
 --- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
 correct to hate Islamic 
 Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for
 that
 matter.  Hitler 
 hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate
 sentiments
 today are being 
 driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
 decent.  Compare and 
 contrast what happened to the Jewish people under
 Hitler's Nazi regime, 
 and what is happening today against people of the
 ME
 who are of Islamic 
 Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of
 the
 US.
 
 1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that
 the
 Jewish people were 
 the root of all Germany's problems.
 2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required
 that all Jewish people 
 identify themselves by wearing a big, bright,
 yellow
 star of David on 
 their clothing.  This made it easy to identify the
 Jewish people for 
 discrimination and shunning.
 3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership
 and
 rights to property 
 in the hand of the Jewish people.
 4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish people;
 isolating them in 
 designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were
 stripped of all their 
 property and driven into the ghettos with nothing
 more than the clothes 
 on their backs.
 5)  Last came the Final Solution; the
 extermination of the Jewish 
 people from the face of the earth.
 
 I don't think Hitler originally planned an
 extermination of all Jews.  
 In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
 German people, went 
 through a progression of baby steps; each step
 lending itself to the 
 next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the
 final
 solution.  Anyone 
 examining the progression of step should have
 realized early on that the 
 final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
 anti-semitic ship, even 
 if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
 time know they were on 
 a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder
 and
 sails had been set, 
 and nothing shot of a conscience change in course
 could have prevented 
 the Holocaust.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 
 
 I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a Jew
 Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.
 
 
 --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 
 wrote:
 
 
  
 
   
 
 Ricardo,
 
 Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels
 mind,
 
 
 if
 
 
 you criticize anything to do with Israel you are
 a
 Jew Hater. Likewise were you to criticize GWB's
 
 
 tie
 
 
 then you'd be a traitor, were you to be American
 Citizen. If you criticicized and are not a US
 citizen then you're a terrorist.
 
 ::a
 
 PS He doesn't know the definition of liberal
 
 
 either.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Ricardo Aráoz
 Sent: 15 January 2007 09:16
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to
 offer own plan
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:

 
 
 
 Of course the dirty Arabs attacked Israel on a
  
 
   
 
 Jewish

 
 
 
 holy day.  But of course a Jew-hater like you
  
 
   
 
 would

 
 
 
 conveniently forget that.
 
  
 
   
 
 Did you mean to say Israeli-hater? Can you
 
 
 perceive
 
 
 the difference?
 

 
 
 
 --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
 
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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike yearwood
Hey Will gdrvf

 They've got my last name _misspelled_!!

 So it'd have to be

 if caller = Hentzen
   or caller = Henten
   or caller = Henzen
   or caller = Hertzen
   or caller = Hanson
   or caller = Henson  that muppet guy?
   or caller = Hansin
   or caller = Hertzenwerke
   or 

ROFL! That reminds me of Bugs Bunny in the episode with Hansel, Gretel
and the Witch when he was saying Hansel? Hansel?


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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
No,

Iraq invaded Kuwait, a US Ally.  Germany never
attacked us either.


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, Iraq has never attacked the US, but we have
 attacked Iraq at least 
 twice.  Is that correct?
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 We were still at war from their 1991 invasion of
 Kuwait.
 
 
 --- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US.  We were
 attacked by a small 
 group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11.  The attackers
 pledged alliance to no 
 country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of
 Al
 Qauda's  Jolly 
 Roger's skill and bones.  g  The attackers of
 9/11
 were not of a 
 single race; although, they we likely all of the
 same Islamic Sunni 
 Muslim religion.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 
 
 Lets see.
 
 Israel has never attacked us.  
 
 
 --- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  
 
   
 
 What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
 correct to hate Islamic 
 Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for
 
 
 that
 
 
 matter.  Hitler 
 hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate
 
 
 sentiments
 
 
 today are being 
 driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
 decent.  Compare and 
 contrast what happened to the Jewish people
 under
 Hitler's Nazi regime, 
 and what is happening today against people of
 the
 
 
 ME
 
 
 who are of Islamic 
 Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of
 
 
 the
 
 
 US.
 
 1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that
 
 
 the
 
 
 Jewish people were 
 the root of all Germany's problems.
 2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required
 that all Jewish people 
 identify themselves by wearing a big, bright,
 
 
 yellow
 
 
 star of David on 
 their clothing.  This made it easy to identify
 the
 Jewish people for 
 discrimination and shunning.
 3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership
 
 
 and
 
 
 rights to property 
 in the hand of the Jewish people.
 4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish
 people;
 isolating them in 
 designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were
 stripped of all their 
 property and driven into the ghettos with
 nothing
 more than the clothes 
 on their backs.
 5)  Last came the Final Solution; the
 extermination of the Jewish 
 people from the face of the earth.
 
 I don't think Hitler originally planned an
 extermination of all Jews.  
 In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
 German people, went 
 through a progression of baby steps; each step
 lending itself to the 
 next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the
 
 
 final
 
 
 solution.  Anyone 
 examining the progression of step should have
 realized early on that the 
 final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
 anti-semitic ship, even 
 if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
 time know they were on 
 a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder
 
 
 and
 
 
 sails had been set, 
 and nothing shot of a conscience change in
 course
 could have prevented 
 the Holocaust.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 

 
 
 
 I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a
 Jew
 Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.
 
 
 --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 
   
 
 wrote:

 
 
 
  
 
   
 
 Ricardo,
 
 Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels
 
 
 mind,
 
 

 
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RE: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Hal Kaplan
= 
=  I'm not sure, but if one of the subscriber's ISP 
= actively bounces an email, my server will forward the bounce 
= to the originator. I get them occasionally when I post to 
= the list, too, so it isn't just picking on you.
= 
= -- Ed Leafe
=

So Marge is a little behind in her work, eh?  Not a problem except that emails 
such as this one is very similar to a rash of spam that has been circulating 
recently.  IMHO, it's a counterproductive message.

B+
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Re: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 15, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

 So Marge is a little behind in her work, eh?  Not a problem except  
 that emails such as this one is very similar to a rash of spam that  
 has been circulating recently.  IMHO, it's a counterproductive  
 message.

The problem is the server originating the message. I think that most  
bounced messages are counterproductive, too, in these days where spam  
outnumbers actual traffic by 10 to 1 or more.

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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Actually, German declared war on the U.S.:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm

The first Gulf war was not without consequence, but what does this all 
have to do with the attack of 9/11 by a group of terrorist?

http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar.html

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

No,

Iraq invaded Kuwait, a US Ally.  Germany never
attacked us either.


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

So, Iraq has never attacked the US, but we have
attacked Iraq at least 
twice.  Is that correct?

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:



We were still at war from their 1991 invasion of
Kuwait.


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

  

Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US.  We were
attacked by a small 
group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11.  The attackers
pledged alliance to no 
country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of


Al


Qauda's  Jolly 
Roger's skill and bones.  g  The attackers of


9/11


were not of a 
single race; although, they we likely all of the
same Islamic Sunni 
Muslim religion.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

   



Lets see.

Israel has never attacked us.  


--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

wrote:



 

  

What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
correct to hate Islamic 
Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for
   



that
   



matter.  Hitler 
hated (eg feared) the Jewish race.  Hate
   



sentiments
   



today are being 
driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
decent.  Compare and 
contrast what happened to the Jewish people


under


Hitler's Nazi regime, 
and what is happening today against people of


the


   



ME
   



who are of Islamic 
Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of
   



the
   



US.

1)  Hitler cames to power using propaganda that
   



the
   



Jewish people were 
the root of all Germany's problems.
2)  When Hitler gained enough power, he required
that all Jewish people 
identify themselves by wearing a big, bright,
   



yellow
   



star of David on 
their clothing.  This made it easy to identify


the


Jewish people for 
discrimination and shunning.
3)  Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership
   



and
   



rights to property 
in the hand of the Jewish people.
4)  Hitler physically separated the Jewish


people;


isolating them in 
designated ghetto areas.  The Jewish people were
stripped of all their 
property and driven into the ghettos with


nothing


more than the clothes 
on their backs.
5)  Last came the Final Solution; the
extermination of the Jewish 
people from the face of the earth.

I don't think Hitler originally planned an
extermination of all Jews.  
In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
German people, went 
through a progression of baby steps; each step
lending itself to the 
next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the
   



final
   



solution.  Anyone 
examining the progression of step should have
realized early on that the 
final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
anti-semitic ship, even 
if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
time know they were on 
a course to a final solution.  The ship's rudder
   



and
   



sails had been set, 
and nothing shot of a conscience change in


course


could have prevented 
the Holocaust.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

  

   



I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a
  

Jew


Hater.  Holocaust deniers included.


--- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 

  

wrote:
  

   





 

  

Ricardo,

Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels
   



mind,
   



  


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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
So has Islam.

Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Actually, German declared war on the 
U.S.:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm

The first Gulf war was not without consequence, but what does this all 
have to do with the attack of 9/11 by a group of terrorist?

http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar.html

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

No,

Iraq invaded Kuwait, a US Ally. Germany never
attacked us either.


--- Leland Jackson wrote:

 

So, Iraq has never attacked the US, but we have
attacked Iraq at least 
twice. Is that correct?

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:

 

We were still at war from their 1991 invasion of
Kuwait.


--- Leland Jackson wrote:

 

 

Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US. We were
attacked by a small 
group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11. The attackers
pledged alliance to no 
country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of
 

Al
 

Qauda's Jolly 
Roger's skill and bones. The attackers of
 

9/11
 

were not of a 
single race; although, they we likely all of the
same Islamic Sunni 
Muslim religion.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

 

 

Lets see.

Israel has never attacked us. 


--- Leland Jackson 
 

wrote:
 


 

 

What is it that makes it wrong to hate Jews, but
correct to hate Islamic 
Arabs of the Muslim religion or anyone else for
 

 

that
 

 

matter. Hitler 
hated (eg feared) the Jewish race. Hate
 

 

sentiments
 

 

today are being 
driven by propaganda against Islamic Arabs of ME
decent. Compare and 
contrast what happened to the Jewish people
 

under
 

Hitler's Nazi regime, 
and what is happening today against people of
 

the
 

 

 

ME
 

 

who are of Islamic 
Arab decent under the Neoconservative leader of
 

 

the
 

 

US.

1) Hitler cames to power using propaganda that
 

 

the
 

 

Jewish people were 
the root of all Germany's problems.
2) When Hitler gained enough power, he required
that all Jewish people 
identify themselves by wearing a big, bright,
 

 

yellow
 

 

star of David on 
their clothing. This made it easy to identify
 

the
 

Jewish people for 
discrimination and shunning.
3) Hitler enacted laws that divested ownership
 

 

and
 

 

rights to property 
in the hand of the Jewish people.
4) Hitler physically separated the Jewish
 

people;
 

isolating them in 
designated ghetto areas. The Jewish people were
stripped of all their 
property and driven into the ghettos with
 

nothing
 

more than the clothes 
on their backs.
5) Last came the Final Solution; the
extermination of the Jewish 
people from the face of the earth.

I don't think Hitler originally planned an
extermination of all Jews. 
In reaching the final solution, Hitler, and the
German people, went 
through a progression of baby steps; each step
lending itself to the 
next, as Hitler's Germany marched towards the
 

 

final
 

 

solution. Anyone 
examining the progression of step should have
realized early on that the 
final solutions was the destination of Hitler's
anti-semitic ship, even 
if Hitler, and the German people, did not at the
time know they were on 
a course to a final solution. The ship's rudder
 

 

and
 

 

sails had been set, 
and nothing shot of a conscience change in
 

course
 

could have prevented 
the Holocaust.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

 

 

 

I haven't met on Israeli hater that wasn't a
 

Jew
 

Hater. Holocaust deniers included.


--- Adam Buckland 
 

 

 

wrote:
 

 

 

 

 

 

Ricardo,

Haven't you worked out yet that in Michaels
 

 

mind,
 

 

 
 

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RE: Returned Messages From Profox

2007-01-15 Thread Hal Kaplan
= 
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= think that most bounced messages are counterproductive, too, 
= in these days where spam outnumbers actual traffic by 10 to 
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Below is a definition of Islam. Based on my understanding of the 
Bible, as God's word to Christians, and all the divergence it has 
created among the many Christian branches and denominations, I do not 
understand how Islam in all of its divergence could unit as a group of 
terrorist against the US. Could you explain how this is possible, as the 
term Islam is very broad and encompasses many different 
interpretations of the Qur'an and many different beliefs. Could you be 
specific as to the exact branch within Islam that is the threat to the US:

#--

Definition of Islam: Major world religion founded by Muhammad 
http://www.answers.com/topic/muhammad in Arabia in the early 7th 
century AD. The Arabic word /islam/ means “submission” — specifically, 
submission to the will of the one God, called Allah 
http://www.answers.com/topic/allah in Arabic. Islam is a strictly 
monotheistic religion, and its adherents, called Muslims, regard the 
Prophet Muhammad as the last and most perfect of God's messengers, who 
include Adam http://www.answers.com/topic/adam-and-eve, Abraham 
http://www.answers.com/topic/abraham, Moses 
http://www.answers.com/topic/moses, Jesus 
http://www.answers.com/topic/jesus-christ, and others. The sacred 
scripture of Islam is the Qur'_a_n 
http://www.answers.com/topic/qur-an, which contains God's revelations 
to Muhammad. The sayings and deeds of the Prophet recounted in the sunna 
http://www.answers.com/topic/sunna-religion-in-encyclopedia are also 
an important source of belief and practice in Islam. The religious 
obligations of all Muslims are summed up in the Five Pillars of Islam, 
which include belief in God and his Prophet and obligations of prayer, 
charity, pilgrimage, and fasting. The fundamental concept in Islam is 
the Shar_i_'_a_h http://www.answers.com/topic/shari-ah, or Law, which 
embraces the total way of life commanded by God. Observant Muslims pray 
five times a day and join in community worship on Fridays at the mosque 
http://www.answers.com/topic/mosque, where worship is led by an imam 
http://www.answers.com/topic/imam. Every believer is required to make 
a pilgrimage to Mecca http://www.answers.com/topic/mecca, the holiest 
city, at least once in a lifetime, barring poverty or physical 
incapacity. The month of Ramadan http://www.answers.com/topic/ramadan 
is set aside for fasting. Alcohol and pork are always forbidden, as are 
gambling, usury, fraud, slander, and the making of images. In addition 
to celebrating the breaking of the fast of Ramadan, Muslims celebrate 
Muhammad's birthday (/see/ /mawlid 
http://www.answers.com/topic/mawlid-religion-in-encyclopedia/) and his 
ascension into heaven (/see/ /mi'r_a_j 
http://www.answers.com/topic/mi-raj/). The '_I_d al-A_d__h__a_ 
festival inaugurates the season of pilgrimage to Mecca. Muslims are 
enjoined to defend Islam against unbelievers through jihad 
http://www.answers.com/topic/jihad. Divisions occurred early in Islam, 
brought about by disputes over the succession to the caliphate (/see/ 
caliph http://www.answers.com/topic/caliph). About 90% of Muslims 
belong to the Sunnite http://www.answers.com/topic/sunnite branch. The 
Sh_i_'ite http://www.answers.com/topic/shiites broke away in the 7th 
century and later gave rise to other sects, including the Ism_a_'_i_l_i_ 
http://www.answers.com/topic/isma-ilis. Another significant element in 
Islam is the mysticism known as Sufism 
http://www.answers.com/topic/sufism. Since the 19th century the 
concept of the Islamic community has inspired Muslim peoples to cast off 
Western colonial rule, and in the late 20th century fundamentalist 
movements (/see/ Islamic fundamentalism 
http://www.answers.com/topic/islamic-fundamentalism) threatened or 
toppled a number of secular Middle Eastern governments. In the early 
21st century, there were more than 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

#--

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

So has Islam.

Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Actually, German declared war on 
the U.S.:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm

The first Gulf war was not without consequence, but what does this all 
have to do with the attack of 9/11 by a group of terrorist?

http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar.html

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

  

No,

Iraq invaded Kuwait, a US Ally. Germany never
attacked us either.


--- Leland Jackson wrote:





So, Iraq has never attacked the US, but we have
attacked Iraq at least 
twice. Is that correct?

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:



  

We were still at war from their 1991 invasion of
Kuwait.


--- Leland Jackson wrote:







Neither has Iraq ever attacked the US. We were
attacked by a small 
group of Terrorist/Pirate on 9/11. The attackers
pledged alliance to no 
country, nor any flag, other than to the flag of


  

Al


  

Qauda's Jolly 
Roger's 

RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Just as bad in new york which is my point.
People are different based upon the culture that they were raised in.

Some such as myself have been exposed to a lot more by travelling, working,
studying and they have learned to adapt..

But for us or the muslim extremists to think that we can change a whole race
of people is the height of stupidity. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 I remember walking down an alley in the late 70's looking for a bar in 
 alexandria egypt..
 A little ole guy come up missing an arm and knife cuts on his face and 
 said you don't belong here.

Sounds like some of the locals in Mississippi or Alabama, who aren't
exactly known for their hospitality and openness to people from other parts
of the country, especially folks from up north, or those whose ethnic
heritage doesn't match theirs. Not much difference between them and your
Egyptian friend.

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Re: [NF] Web site statistics package

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
I use statcounter.com.  The free version is fairly good.  I have the paid 
version but I'm thinking of going back to the free version.
   
  

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
On Jan 14, 2007, at 11:26 AM, john harvey wrote:

 I use nTop.

Thanks, John -- I'll check it out.


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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Kennedy stared the bastards in the eye and the
 Russians backed down.
 
 That's what we have to do with the rag heads.
 

Cool. So please, please go live in the twin towers when they rebuild
them. We'll see what the 'rag heads' have to do with you.

 
 
 
 --- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We're at war today
 No. The war ended almost 4 years ago. We are an 
 occupying army now.

 We've got our finger stuck in Muslim/Arab eyes, and
 we're one more
 serious attack away from a far deeper appreciation
 of what's been
 wrought on us by the warmongers occupying our
 capital and information
 supply.

 We don't understand or respect our enemy. Despite
 all the lessons of
 history, we've been led to believe that all we have
 to do is send in the
 Marines and our enemies will cower under our shock
 and awe. What
 actually happened on the way to that throne is
 already history; what
 happens next is anyone's guess, but by now we should
 already know it's
 not going to be the grand and glorious
 victory-over-evil bill of goods
 we've been sold on.

 Decades ago, we went through the Cuban missile
 crisis, and a brush with
 disaster the likes of which we still can't imagine,
 yet with that
 experience solidly under our belt, we have not taken
 the steps necessary
 to prevent that possibility from ever happening
 again - instead we did
 the opposite: more weapons, more bombs, more shock
 and awe - and more
 belligerence.

 What will it take for us to finally learn that war
 in the nuclear age is
 not an option? Why can't we grasp a simple truth:
 that when we disagree
 with the rulers of another country, the solution
 isn't to kill or starve
 all the people in that country, who were just
 victims themselves, but to
 use national and international diplomacy to deal
 with the errant ruler?
 We are aware that those bunker-busters being
 readied for Iran are
 actually nuclear weapons, right?

 I know - these are all statements of the obvious,
 and shouldn't even
 have to be said, but here we are today, closer to
 nightmare scenarios at
 home (Big Brother) and abroad (war) then we could
 have imagined not too
 many years ago. The scariest part isn't what's
 happening already, but
 what is very likely to happen next if we don't do
 what we have to do.
 We, the American people, didn't bring this on, it
 was done for us, by
 that gang and their cohorts. They're not telling us
 this, but I'll say
 it: we need to choose between their attitude and
 their direction - and
 the principles we want to live by. 



 Bill





  
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Re: [OT] Thought for the Day

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Where are the white women at?
 -  Martin Luther King
 

Mike is plain dumb
- Ricardo Araoz


 
 
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 about things that  
 matter
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Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan

2007-01-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But the list is long of who Iraq did attack, gas, promoted terrorism against, 
 torture,...
 

Do you really think that list is as long as the list of who did USA
'attack, gas, promoted terrorism against, torture,...'?


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 Subject: Re: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 Lets see.

 Israel has never attacked us.  

 Neither did Iraq




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[OT] End the unjust Jewish occupation of Muslim lands

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Madigan
http://protestwarrior.com/new_signs.php?sign=22

Saddam - Hung for the Holidays
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike


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Re: MSDN Path to Product Key?

2007-01-15 Thread Grigore Dolghin
InList() would be a nicer approach, unless they don't have more than
25 of your aliases :)

On 1/15/07, Mike yearwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Will gdrvf

  They've got my last name _misspelled_!!
 
  So it'd have to be
 
  if caller = Hentzen
or caller = Henten
or caller = Henzen
or caller = Hertzen
or caller = Hanson
or caller = Henson  that muppet guy?
or caller = Hansin
or caller = Hertzenwerke
or 

 ROFL! That reminds me of Bugs Bunny in the episode with Hansel, Gretel
 and the Witch when he was saying Hansel? Hansel?


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@M Picture Clause in Textbox

2007-01-15 Thread Philip Borkholder
Hello all,
is there a way to have a selection in a text box similar to like we can 
with the get clause?

Sample:
lc_file= Current
 @ 2, 10 GET lc_file ;
 PICTURE @M Current, History, Both   

Can we use the @M in a form's text box that will allow us to press the 
space bar and choose only between the 3 selections in the @M list ?

Thanks,

Philip


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@M Picture Clause in Textbox

2007-01-15 Thread Philip Borkholder
Hello all,
is there a way to have a selection in a text box similar to like we can 
with the get clause?

Sample:
lc_file= Current
  @ 2, 10 GET lc_file ;
  PICTURE @M Current, History, Both   

Can we use the @M in a form's text box that will allow us to press the 
space bar and choose only between the 3 selections in the @M list ?

Thanks,

Philip


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[OT] Born Baptist

2007-01-15 Thread Stephen Russell
Born Baptist


Each Friday night after work, Bubba would fire up his outdoor grill and cook
a venison steak. But, all of Bubba's neighbors were CatholicAnd since it
was Lent, they were forbidden from eating meat on Friday. 

The delicious aroma from the grilled venison steaks was causing such a
problem for the Catholic faithful that they finally talked to their priest. 

The Priest came to visit Bubba, and suggested that he become a Catholic.
After several classes and much study, Bubba attended Mass.and as the
priest sprinkled holy water over him, he said, You were born a Baptist, and
raised a Baptist, but now you are a Catholic. 

Bubba's neighbors were greatly relieved, until Friday night arrived, and the
wonderful aroma of 
grilled venison filled the neighborhood. 

The Priest was called immediately by the neighbors, and, as he rushed into
Bubba's yard, clutching a rosary and prepared to scold him, he stopped and
watched in amazement. 

There stood Bubba, clutching a small bottle of holy water which he carefully
sprinkled over the 
grilling meat and chanting: You wuz born a deer, you wuz raised a deer, but
now you a catfish. 

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
 
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men. 
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ 

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Re: @M Picture Clause in Textbox

2007-01-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Philip Borkholder wrote:
 Hello all,
 is there a way to have a selection in a text box similar to like we can 
 with the get clause?

 Sample:
 lc_file= Current
  @ 2, 10 GET lc_file ;
  PICTURE @M Current, History, Both   

 Can we use the @M in a form's text box that will allow us to press the 
 space bar and choose only between the 3 selections in the @M list ?
   

I'm in VFP as of version 5 for UIs, so I can't answer you exactly, but I 
wonderwhy not just use a dropdown listbox?

-- 
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RE: [OT] Born Baptist

2007-01-15 Thread john harvey
I lak cayatfish, specially elk cayatfish!

John 

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Born Baptist


Each Friday night after work, Bubba would fire up his outdoor grill and cook
a venison steak. But, all of Bubba's neighbors were CatholicAnd since it
was Lent, they were forbidden from eating meat on Friday. 

The delicious aroma from the grilled venison steaks was causing such a
problem for the Catholic faithful that they finally talked to their priest. 

The Priest came to visit Bubba, and suggested that he become a Catholic.
After several classes and much study, Bubba attended Mass.and as the
priest sprinkled holy water over him, he said, You were born a Baptist, and
raised a Baptist, but now you are a Catholic. 

Bubba's neighbors were greatly relieved, until Friday night arrived, and the
wonderful aroma of 
grilled venison filled the neighborhood. 

The Priest was called immediately by the neighbors, and, as he rushed into
Bubba's yard, clutching a rosary and prepared to scold him, he stopped and
watched in amazement. 

There stood Bubba, clutching a small bottle of holy water which he carefully
sprinkled over the 
grilling meat and chanting: You wuz born a deer, you wuz raised a deer, but
now you a catfish. 

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
 
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men. 
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ 

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RE: [OT] MS certs - I'm on the way

2007-01-15 Thread Stephen the Cook
Jeff  wrote:
 Some months ago, I asked the group about Microsoft certifications -
 your response was the catalyst that I needed. Even though I've been
 studying for over a year, I just didn't schedule an exam, didn't get
 serious enough with it. But I took one [70-229 - Designing and
 Implementing Database with MS SQL 2000 Enterprise - didn't start with
 an easy one!], passed and received my Welcome Kit last week.
 I'm patting myself on the back in front of all of you all but thanks
 again for the extra motivation. 
 
 Now I'm working on two more to complete my MCAD!
 
Congratulations!  

What line are you going to go for in the MCAD?  


Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/

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RE: [OT] Born Baptist

2007-01-15 Thread Stephen the Cook
john harvey  wrote:
 I lak cayatfish, specially elk cayatfish!

Fisrt you have to kill one, then share with friends.  ;-


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Memphis TN 38115
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http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/

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RE: [OT] Born Baptist

2007-01-15 Thread john harvey
Well, I got the first part done this year, but I don't have any friends -
only acquaintances (until the elk runs out)G

John

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john harvey  wrote:
 I lak cayatfish, specially elk cayatfish!

Fisrt you have to kill one, then share with friends.  ;-


Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/

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RE: [OT] MS certs - I'm on the way

2007-01-15 Thread Jeff Fisher

MCAD using C# Windows based then C#-XML

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 Congratulations!

 What line are you going to go for in the MCAD?


 Stephen Russell
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