Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...

Can't certify art...

Dave Crozier wrote:

Hal wrote:

...A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some math,
regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a computer
professional

TOTALLY WRONG Hal I'm afraid. The thing that qualifies someone to be a
computer professional in its true sense (where software is concerned anyhow)
is the ability to write GOOD software, and the definition of good will
change depending upon the environment you are working in. Good in an
emergency situation is a fix that works and gets the system live again
however it is done. Good in a production environment means reliable and
stable. Good in a performance dictated situation means fast and reliable.  

It's just like driving. All drivers make mistakes, the difference between a
good driver and a bad driver is that the good driver will always know
whenever he/she has made a mistake and the majority of outsiders/onlookers
will never ever notice the mistake. The bad driver is just a danger to
others because he doesn't understand the ramification(s) of making a mistake
- or even worse, what a mistake constitutes.

Remember you don’t have to be able to read music to be a great musician.
I'll take natural talent as opposed to paper qualifications any day of the
week. Try and teach dancing to someone who has no sense of rhythm and you'll
see exactly what I mean.

Having all the paper qualifications only gives you a head start in the
ability to understand basic methodology but there is absolutely NO
substitute for experience and natural ability in this business.

Dave Crozier

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= And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz 
= would want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind 
= would submit to having to gain credentials (that they may or 
= may not be qualified to earn) to do what they've been doing 
= for the last 10 or 20 years?
= 
= So, just like the answer about how God created the world in 
= 6 days 
= He didn't have to worry about the installed base.
= 
= Whil
= 

During those 6 days, G-d did not create the AMA, ABA, AIA, AICPA, or any
other professional group except perhaps for clergy.

The installed base existed for all of these professions and it is now all
a matter of history.  Some practioners fared better than others but on the
whole society gained.  BTW, you do not need a degree in architecture to be
an architect, or a law degree to be an attorney (I am not sure about
medicine and accounting).  You can become a licensed professional through
well-documented experience.  Of course you still need to take and pass the
state licensing exam.  And I dare say that if a similarly-structured
arrangement existed for people like us, a good number would pass the exam
and gain grandfather status, others would fail, and still others would
walk away or do nothing because the effective date for all of the lead-ins
to congeal would probably be 6 to 10 years off. 

What is needed to achieve widespread licensing is a catalyst such as a
massive lapse of public safety or security that could be laid at the feet of
the profession as it exists today.

There are no questions of impartiality or any nonsense like that.  Those
arguments are specious.  All professions have competing suppliers who will
do almost anything to get and keep business ... ruthlessly and illegally
too!  But the basics of these professions: the chemistry of life, anatomy,
legal precedent, torts, etc. are independent of commercialism.  Intel and
AMD may be making a lot of bits, but they did not invent them.  A thorough
understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some math, regression,
ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a computer professional.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [OT] Virgin birth again.....

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Laugh it up baby!  Your clock is ticking.



--- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perhaps the birth of a female chimpanzee prophet?
 
 On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
 

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/17/pregnant.chimp.ap/index.html
  
  or
  http://tinyurl.com/2xtqup
 
  A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given
 birth, despite the fact that
  the facility's entire male chimp population has
 had vasectomies.
 
 
 
 
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[NF] Loading Ubuntu now even easier

2007-01-18 Thread Dave Crozier
You can al try Ubuntu now even if you don't have a distribution PC. The
latest Ubuntu Project Install.exe allows you to install Ubuntu on the fly
assuming you have a broadband link with minimal intervention.

http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2007/01/17/ubuntu-installation-now-easier-than-
ever-in-windows/

or

http://tinyurl.com/3duhkt

...This project aims to solve this problem by allowing installation from
within Windows using an install.exe file, and eliminating the need to
partition the hard drive or burn a CD to install. It will allow a faster and
more user-friendly installation for Windows users, the ability to install
without the risk of data loss through repartitioning, and the ability to
install on ultra-portable laptops without CD drives

Simple and fast installation  
No-risk installation 
No repartitioning the hard disk 
No changing the Windows boot loader 
Easy uninstallation 
Doesn't use a virtual machine 
Doesn't significantly reduce performance of the resulting installation 
Resulting installation supports everything a normal install does.


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RE: [NF] Loading Ubuntu now even easier

2007-01-18 Thread Tristan Leask
Have they finally got it working for Wifi connections using WPA?
That was my main gripe about the last couple of versions.  Wifi WPA
didn't work out of the box for me.

Tristan


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You can al try Ubuntu now even if you don't have a distribution PC. The
latest Ubuntu Project Install.exe allows you to install Ubuntu on the
fly
assuming you have a broadband link with minimal intervention.

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RE: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Allen
Thanks Rick
For some reason my mails are not getting out very quick. So much for
1and1.co.uk service.
Anyway, I have already mentioned the resolve for MSXML so I'm quite happy
with it now. I will add the sedna2 later as I'm not really bothered by
Vista's goodies yet. And I think most people are not stupid enough to put
Vista on their work machine until at least the first SP :)
Allen 

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Allen,

VFP7 moans about MSXML4 and the task manager does not work.

Assuming you meant VFP 9, did you apply the SP2 CTP patch? I am not sure
this fixes your problem or
not, and if it does not I would report this to the VFP team via the Connect
Web site
(https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210wa=wsignin1.
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As for the general complaining about Fox not working under Vista, this is
one of the things
Microsoft is working on for VFP 9 SP2 as stated in the roadmap. 

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Stanton
 computer professionals. Or imagine the converse: that doctors made  
 their recommendations not on the best interests of the patient, but  
 on what would generate the most revenue for the doctor himself

??
You don't think this is happening already?

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RE: [NF] Loading Ubuntu now even easier

2007-01-18 Thread Dave Crozier
Tristan,
Worked out of the box with my Gateway PC with no problems in V6 but I had to
load the network drivers.

Version 7 is due out shortly so that may solve your problem.

Dave Crozier

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Have they finally got it working for Wifi connections using WPA?
That was my main gripe about the last couple of versions.  Wifi WPA
didn't work out of the box for me.

Tristan


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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Paul Hill
Hi Allen,

We use 1and1 too.  They seem to be having problems over the past few
days.  There are huge delays on all incomming email.

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 5:48 AM, Paul Hill wrote:

 We use 1and1 too.  They seem to be having problems over the past few
 days.  There are huge delays on all incomming email.

FWIW, I get a *ton* of spam from 1and1, as well as a lot of bot  
requests for accounts on OpenTech. Doesn't surprise me that this is  
coming back to bite them.

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RE: Index on collector tag collector unique

2007-01-18 Thread Stephen the Cook
Michael Madigan  wrote:
 Yep, you're right, I should have a collector database.
  This was a band-aid added quick and dirty.  Turned out to be too
 dirty. 

Why not create it via a select distinct into a table and then just normalize
your data?  Probably a lot of work after you hit all your input forms as
well as reports.

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RE: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Allen
Hello Paul
Its not the first time either. I have a lot of problems with them using
mail, FrontPage to do the site and often clients say they cannot reach the
web site/s.
Allen 

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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Lukachko
When did the US get rid of free speech and dissenting opinion in a free and
democratic society? Is this the continuation of McCarthyism, Gitmo and
another tactic on the war in terrorism? Or did I miss something?

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The liberals just love freedom of speech

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.BlogsContentRec
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Alan Lukachko wrote:

 When did the US get rid of free speech and dissenting opinion in a  
 free and
 democratic society?

When we put the neo-conservatives in power. This made free speech,  
as well as the rest of our Bill of Rights, into something to be  
despised as 'weak' and 'liberal'.

 Is this the continuation of McCarthyism, Gitmo and
 another tactic on the war in terrorism? Or did I miss something?

They are more scared about people telling the truth about what they  
are up to than they are about terrorism.

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Lukachko
Customers still do stick with you if you do good work and provide good
service for them.

Tomorrow, I'm going to a client that I first did work for in July, 1982. His
business keeps growing and he keeps calling me back. First I developed an
app with GW-BASIC, then FoxBase, then Visual FoxPro 3, 5 and now 9. At one
point, he even lent me money during one of my drought periods. 

Today I'm going to a client that I've had since October, 1999. We started
off in the wrong direction early on, but turned it around. Since then, we've
always tried to develop the best system for their needs and nothing more.
Sometimes I've suggested things that resulted in less money for us. Maybe
that's part of why they stick with us.

Next week I'm off to see a client that I've had since May 1990. Their sales
were $5 million. By Feb, 2006, their sales were over $200 million. They were
bought by a publicly traded company last year for $485 million. While there
is more bureaucracy with the now public company, they still stick with me.

There are other long time clients that continue to stick with us

But then that maybe only a result of the Canadian business climate. Only in
Canada you say? Pity!


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Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of
businesses 
and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the pickle
once 
they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted anyone.

 I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
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Re: Determining the type of active index

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 There's also the new(?) binary indexes in VFP 9 that are even
 smaller/faster in some scenarios. 
   

Besides an index on DELETED( ), why would you use a binary index?  An 
example please?

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Re: Easy way to count total lines of code in complete project?

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 1/16/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Is there an easy way to determine the total number of lines of code in
 an app/project?

 

 http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/ProjScan.zip

 Pretty self-documenting, the associated paper can be found at:

 http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/E-MAINTDoc.htm

   
Thanks, Ted.  But what are all of those strange 
question-mark-in-the-diamond boxes?  A character that didn't translate 
well perhaps?

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Cipher50 is simple encryption that's easy to break.

 Craig's encryption FLL supports major industry encryption standards
 (AES, Blowfish, RC4) in stream and block formats with support for
 various levels of encryption (128 bit +). There are easy to use
 functions for encrypting/decrypting strings and files.

 Craig has also included support for generating hashes (SHA, MD5, and
 RIPE formats). 

   

Thanks, Malcolm!

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Re: Determining the type of active index

2007-01-18 Thread Malcolm Greene
Micheal,

 Besides an index on DELETED( ), why would you use a binary index?  An example 
 please?

Disclosure: I haven't personally used binary indexes. 

Possible uses:

- male vs. female (I recognize this is no longer a binary conditiong)
- test vs. production
- active vs. non-active

I think there was an article on binary indexes in a past FoxTalk issue -
when FoxTalk was a REAL publication (don't get me started on THAT topic)

Malcolm


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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Malcolm Greene
Michael,

Don't forget the 'marketing' pitch you can make regarding FAB's new
INDUSTRY STANDARD encryption!

Malcolm


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[NF] IPhone Manufacturers unfortunate name

2007-01-18 Thread Dave Crozier
Mmmm,
Just found out the name of the company who will be making the IPhone.


http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2007/gb20070110_531125.htm?
chan=tc

or 

http://tinyurl.com/359su5

Quote:
...Hon Hai will assemble Apple's new wireless handset called the iPhone, a
product launch that could energize the consumer electronics industry later
this year

And the secret revealed at last:

...Hon Hai, which operates under the trade name of FOXCONN...

Maybe there is a connection with VFP somewhere or maybe the phone is
secretly powered by the Mac version of VFPBG

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Re: Determining the type of active index

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Micheal,

   
 Besides an index on DELETED( ), why would you use a binary index?  An 
 example please?
 

 Disclosure: I haven't personally used binary indexes. 

 Possible uses:

 - male vs. female (I recognize this is no longer a binary conditiong)
 - test vs. production
 - active vs. non-active

 I think there was an article on binary indexes in a past FoxTalk issue -
 when FoxTalk was a REAL publication (don't get me started on THAT topic)
   

So basically...it's for times where the choices are 1/0.  (slapping 
forehead)  Doh!

Thanks, Mal!

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Michael,

 Don't forget the 'marketing' pitch you can make regarding FAB's new
 INDUSTRY STANDARD encryption!

   

Note to self:  mention Malcolm in the credits.  g

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RE: [NF] IPhone Manufacturers unfortunate name

2007-01-18 Thread Tristan Leask
They make motherboards as well.

Tristan

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Re: [NF] Loading Ubuntu now even easier

2007-01-18 Thread Vince Teachout
Dave Crozier wrote:
 Tristan,
 Worked out of the box with my Gateway PC with no problems in V6 but I had to
 load the network drivers.
   
I tried the latest version (as of 2 weeks ago), and it STILL won't mount 
my hard drives.  It's weird. I only have this problem with Ubuntu, 
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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Malcolm Greene
 Note to self:  mention Malcolm in the credits.

To hell with the credits, I'll be checking my mailbox for a royalty
check ... gLMAO!g

Seriously, a big thank you to Ed and this list would certainly be
appropriate.

Mal


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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/18/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TOTALLY WRONG Hal I'm afraid. The thing that qualifies someone to be a
 computer professional in its true sense (where software is concerned anyhow)
 is the ability to write GOOD software,

That's certainly one opinion. I think there are likely many different
definitions, and that is one of the struggles groups like ACM have had
in determining what they should be certifying. Some favor system
software and admin, other computer science concepts like compiler
design, still others more production-oriented issues faced by
computer information systems professionals. I've tried to avoid
generic certifications that want me to prove proficiency in Pascal,
for example. Similarly, an A+ certification expects me to know the IRQ
of COM1. My Mac, Amiga, SUN workstation and laptop don't have a
COM1...

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/18/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...

 Can't certify art...


Practitioners might argue that good practice of many professions
qualify as art: medicine, law, plumbing, carpentry... basic
proficiency and perhaps basic business skills and ethics ought to be
testable, shouldn't they?

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Re: Easy way to count total lines of code in complete project?

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/18/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks, Ted.  But what are all of those strange
 question-mark-in-the-diamond boxes?  A character that didn't translate
 well perhaps?


It's a bad Word-export-to-HTML, I suspect. View Source might tell you.

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Re: [NF] IPhone Manufacturers unfortunate name

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

 Maybe there is a connection with VFP somewhere or maybe the phone is
 secretly powered by the Mac version of VFPBG

VFP/Mac? Geez, that would mean that iPhone will be DOA and never  
supported by Apple, just as VFP/Mac was DOA and never supported by  
Microsoft.

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Note to self:  mention Malcolm in the credits.
 

 To hell with the credits, I'll be checking my mailbox for a royalty
 check ... gLMAO!g

 Seriously, a big thank you to Ed and this list would certainly be
 appropriate.

   

Absolutely!! 

Ok, it's done, and will be included with future versions:  
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/fabmate_about.jpg

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[OT] Freak Accident

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
Check this out: turns out that Mother Nature is not a football fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIKdK-T-jZM


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RE: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread David Crooks
On Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM Michael wrote:

Ok, it's done, and will be included with future versions:  
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/fabmate_about.jpg

Sure, give Ed a bigger ego than what he has already!  :-)

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Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650223251,00.html

Wow, this is a real shock. I knew Drew and Brent pretty well, but  
not anywhere near close enough to comment on this ruling. All I can  
do is echo the sentiment of the lead investigator: This is an  
unpleasant thing, Smith said. Regardless of what we think happened,  
it's a tragedy to everyone involved.


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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote:

 http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/fabmate_about.jpg

 Brillant!

 I'll let the rest of you know when my FAB royalty check arrives.g

Probably right after I get mine!  ;-)

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Michael,

   
 http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/fabmate_about.jpg
 

 Brillant!

 I'll let the rest of you know when my FAB royalty check arrives.g
   

In order to be eligible, you must refer to it correctly with proper 
capitalization:  FabMate.   ;-)

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RE: RE: FoxPro on Vista

2007-01-18 Thread profox
I do know about Craig's class and use it in new work. I have one large app that 
uses the crypt class which I know is flaky but its what is in use.
I looked in the registry and the provider is there so it looks like the flaky 
class is even worse under vista. I will see if I can fine the reason
Allen
PS Still having chronic problems with 1and1's email. Now its the IMAP gone 
wrong.

Allen,


Check out Craig's free encryption fll on his www.sweetpotatosoftware.com
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RE: Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread David Crooks
On Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:24 AM Ed Leafe wrote:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650223251,00.html

   Wow, this is a real shock. I knew Drew and Brent pretty well,
but not anywhere near close 
enough to comment on this ruling. All I can do is echo the sentiment of
the lead investigator: This is an unpleasant thing, Smith said.
Regardless of what we think happened, it's a tragedy to everyone
involved.

I am not sure I mentioned this before, but I had an interview for job at
Mobil Oil when Drew was working on a project there (at the time one of
the largest FoxPro applications ever).  I met Drew and his infant son
(Brent) at a restaurant for the interview.  Drew was a character and it
is hard to believe that this is how they ended their lives.

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Re: Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote:
 http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650223251,00.html

   Wow, this is a real shock. 
That's awful!  I really hope it's not true.


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RE: Determining the type of active index

2007-01-18 Thread Rick Schummer
it's for times where the choices are 1/0

Yes, that is why they are called *Binary* Indexes - bg.

Don't worry, you are not the last person to understand this concept.

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Re: [OT] Freak Accident

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Proof once again that God hates soccer.


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   Check this out: turns out that Mother Nature is not
 a football fan.
 
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Re: Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Bourke
I never met the guy but as a father of a young boy I dread to think what
brings a man to that point, if indeed it was premeditated.

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[NF] Charlie you could be an expert witness also.

2007-01-18 Thread srussell
http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/Media_Update_January_5_2007.pdf

Alepin and Charlie seem to be two peas in a pod.

You cna change the day # in the url above to get the next days media
highlights.

It's a funny short read of 1.5 pages in a large font.


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Re: Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Alan Bourke wrote:
 I never met the guy but as a father of a young boy I dread to think what
 brings a man to that point, if indeed it was premeditated.

   
Like others saidit doesn't matter at this point.  The end is still 
tragic.  On a side note, and not one I care to debate, I wonder if that 
voids a life insurance award?  Some cases void amounts for suicide, iirc.  

SHEEP.  Let's stop this thread now.  Not pleasant by any means.

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Getting that way myself...
If I could sum up every mistake I ever made, they are all the same in that I
trusted somebody to do what was right.. 


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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 2:46 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:

Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of
businesses and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the
pickle once they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted
anyone.

 I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think the time when 
 customers used to stick with one business because the service was that 
 good, is long gone.
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
No its not..
Menu's are akin to doors
Reports are akin to windows..

There isn't one thing in the programming world that couldn't benefit from
fixed objects, and by that I mean you pass a text string to a box with the
coordinates and it displays the message with the appropriate buttons..

If we'd spend less time reinventing the wheel and more time benefiting from
the combined experience of all our minds, we would be 100 times better off
then we are now. 


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The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...

Can't certify art...

Dave Crozier wrote:

Hal wrote:

...A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some 
math, regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a 
computer professional

TOTALLY WRONG Hal I'm afraid. The thing that qualifies someone to be a 
computer professional in its true sense (where software is concerned 
anyhow) is the ability to write GOOD software, and the definition of 
good will change depending upon the environment you are working in. 
Good in an emergency situation is a fix that works and gets the system 
live again however it is done. Good in a production environment means 
reliable and stable. Good in a performance dictated situation means fast
and reliable.

It's just like driving. All drivers make mistakes, the difference 
between a good driver and a bad driver is that the good driver will 
always know whenever he/she has made a mistake and the majority of 
outsiders/onlookers will never ever notice the mistake. The bad driver 
is just a danger to others because he doesn't understand the 
ramification(s) of making a mistake
- or even worse, what a mistake constitutes.

Remember you don’t have to be able to read music to be a great musician.
I'll take natural talent as opposed to paper qualifications any day of 
the week. Try and teach dancing to someone who has no sense of rhythm 
and you'll see exactly what I mean.

Having all the paper qualifications only gives you a head start in the 
ability to understand basic methodology but there is absolutely NO 
substitute for experience and natural ability in this business.

Dave Crozier

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Hal Kaplan
Sent: 17 January 2007 20:55
To: ProFox Email List
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= And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz = would 
want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind = would submit to 
having to gain credentials (that they may or = may not be qualified to 
earn) to do what they've been doing = for the last 10 or 20 years?
=
= So, just like the answer about how God created the world in = 6 
days
= He didn't have to worry about the installed base.
=
= Whil
=

During those 6 days, G-d did not create the AMA, ABA, AIA, AICPA, or 
any other professional group except perhaps for clergy.

The installed base existed for all of these professions and it is now 
all a matter of history.  Some practioners fared better than others but 
on the whole society gained.  BTW, you do not need a degree in 
architecture to be an architect, or a law degree to be an attorney (I 
am not sure about medicine and accounting).  You can become a licensed 
professional through well-documented experience.  Of course you still 
need to take and pass the state licensing exam.  And I dare say that if 
a similarly-structured arrangement existed for people like us, a good 
number would pass the exam and gain grandfather status, others would 
fail, and still others would walk away or do nothing because the 
effective date for all of the lead-ins to congeal would probably be 6 to 10
years off.

What is needed to achieve widespread licensing is a catalyst such as a 
massive lapse of public safety or security that could be laid at the 
feet of the profession as it exists today.

There are no questions of impartiality or any nonsense like that.  
Those arguments are specious.  All professions have competing suppliers 
who will do almost anything to get and keep business ... ruthlessly and 
illegally too!  But the basics of these professions: the chemistry of 
life, anatomy, legal precedent, torts, etc. are independent of 
commercialism.  Intel and AMD may be making a lot of bits, but they did 
not invent them.  A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, 
database, some math, regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify
someone to be a computer professional.

B+
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Re: Drew Speedie death ruled murder-suicide

2007-01-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 18, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:

 I knew Drew and Brent pretty well, but
 not anywhere near close enough to comment on this ruling.

I am going with this scenario: Brent was sitting on the rail and  
slipped and fell. Drew couldn't handle it and followed. It seems to  
fit the disclosed facts, and it is the only way I can resolve the  
tragedy with what I knew of Drew.

Ken



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Re: select from table

2007-01-18 Thread Sytze de Boer
Wow, I knew that the select command was powerful, but this is incredible
Is there a book out on this ?

Anyhow, Ricardo, many thanks for below example.
Unfortunately, it is not quite right. It gives me the result for the
most recent 52 records
I need the result for the most recent 52 records PER EMPLOYEE (empcode)

Are you able to assist, please

Sytze



 If you want the last 52 cycles (sequentially last) :

 select empcode ;
 into cursor newtable ;
 from mytable my ;
 where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
 FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
 from mytable as aux ;
 order by 2 desc) as x) ;
 order by empcode ;
 group by empcode

  Regards
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Re: select from table

2007-01-18 Thread Grigore Dolghin
You may want to have a look at hentzenwerke.com - Taming VFP SQL.

On 1/18/07, Sytze de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow, I knew that the select command was powerful, but this is incredible
 Is there a book out on this ?

 Anyhow, Ricardo, many thanks for below example.
 Unfortunately, it is not quite right. It gives me the result for the
 most recent 52 records
 I need the result for the most recent 52 records PER EMPLOYEE (empcode)

 Are you able to assist, please

 Sytze



  If you want the last 52 cycles (sequentially last) :
 
  select empcode ;
  into cursor newtable ;
  from mytable my ;
  where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
  FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
  from mytable as aux ;
  order by 2 desc) as x) ;
  order by empcode ;
  group by empcode
 
   Regards
   Sytze
  
  
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Re: select from table

2007-01-18 Thread jeff

Short but a great book. Helped a LOT when switching back and forth from MS 
SQL and VFP SQL

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:45 -0600
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 You may want to have a look at hentzenwerke.com - Taming VFP SQL.
 
 


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Re: [OT] Virgin birth again.....

2007-01-18 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:00 PM 1/17/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:

Perhaps the birth of a female chimpanzee prophet?

Possibly

God might be thinking, I thought the message was pretty simple the first 
time.sigh I guess I'll have to step it down a notch for the remaining 
unbelievers.

;-)

-Charlie


On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/17/pregnant.chimp.ap/index.html
  
  or
  http://tinyurl.com/2xtqup
 
  A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given birth, despite the fact that
  the facility's entire male chimp population has had vasectomies.





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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 06:25 PM 1/17/2007 -0800, Michael Madigan wrote:
What language is this? LOL
 
  Who did you get any?   ;-

Why, it's .Net-speak of course.

;-)

-Charlie 



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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Things that have happened to me:

Change in marketing director, he brings in his own
people and we stop getting work.  A year later owner
calls us to take over botched job, tells us that we
need to learn their new system on our own time,
unpaid, then bill us for just the time it takes to fix
their system.  We tell them to go pound sand.

Owner's retarded brother-in-law gets fired from his
job, owner gives our contract to brother-in-law.

Owner swears I'm not returning his calls and emails
even though I swear to him he must be calling someone
else because I'm not getting any of his calls or
emails.  He stops giving me work because I'm
unresponsive.  I think this guy may have been going
senile.



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[NF] All the Write Stuff

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche
It's a decade old, but a very well-written piece:

http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html

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Re: [OT] Virgin birth again.....

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
He may have to send a virgin-birth cockroach for
Helio.



--- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 08:00 PM 1/17/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
 
 Perhaps the birth of a female chimpanzee prophet?
 
 Possibly
 
 God might be thinking, I thought the message was
 pretty simple the first 
 time.sigh I guess I'll have to step it down a
 notch for the remaining 
 unbelievers.
 
 ;-)
 
 -Charlie
 
 
 On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
  

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/17/pregnant.chimp.ap/index.html
   
   or
   http://tinyurl.com/2xtqup
  
   A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given
 birth, despite the fact that
   the facility's entire male chimp population has
 had vasectomies.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
And yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only maginally competent 
at best...

As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not designed to 
weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the bar for entry into 
lucrative professions to the favored few.  In many cases, originally, it 
was to keep out the Blacks and the Irish.  s

Basic business skills are irrelevant to a good computer program and, if 
you believe the many pro-m$ types, so are ethics...



Ted Roche wrote:

On 1/18/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...

Can't certify art...




Practitioners might argue that good practice of many professions
qualify as art: medicine, law, plumbing, carpentry... basic
proficiency and perhaps basic business skills and ethics ought to be
testable, shouldn't they?

  



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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
= Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!
= 
= The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...
= 
= Can't certify art...
= 

Chet, you are absolutely right that programming is an art.

So is ...

An architect designing a building.

A plumber wiping a sweat joint just right to make it look good.

A dentist matching the color of a replacement tooth to the rest of the mouth.

An attorney doing a benefit performance in front of a jury.

A surgeon making just the right incision to get the job done ... no more, no 
less.

And the list goes on.  

No, you cannot certify art (let alone define it) but every artist has an 
understanding of his media and his methods and the ramifications of his 
actions.  And that understanding can be quantified and certified and should be.

B+
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
= 
= And yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only 
= maginally competent at best...
= 
= As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not 
= designed to weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the 
= bar for entry into lucrative professions to the favored few. 
=  In many cases, originally, it was to keep out the Blacks 
= and the Irish.  s
= 
= Basic business skills are irrelevant to a good computer 
= program and, if you believe the many pro-m$ types, so are ethics...
= 

Chet, you are kidding, right?

Plumbers are certified because the lives of people are at risk from bad 
plumbing practices.  Remember that in most jurisdictions, plumbers also handle 
natural gas installations too.  

Carpentry certification is also based on public safety.

The line about keeping out minorities is certainly true but the trade unions 
are primarily responsible for that.

B+
HALinNY


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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
As a young kid, I worked as an electricians helper and carpenters helper.
I have also worked as a marine electrician at bath iron works on naval
frigates.

When everything went to hell on me, I thought about opening a business as an
electrician, but I found out that the entry bar is very high as you have to
serve as an apprentice, etc, for a very long time.

So in a nutshell, I too sometimes think that licenses are sometimes utilized
to keep people out of the business, even if the license may have originally
been planned with the best of intentions. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Hal Kaplan
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:52 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner = = And
yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only = maginally competent at
best...
=
= As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not = designed to
weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the = bar for entry into
lucrative professions to the favored few. 
=  In many cases, originally, it was to keep out the Blacks = and the
Irish.  s = = Basic business skills are irrelevant to a good computer
= program and, if you believe the many pro-m$ types, so are ethics...
= 

Chet, you are kidding, right?

Plumbers are certified because the lives of people are at risk from bad
plumbing practices.  Remember that in most jurisdictions, plumbers also
handle natural gas installations too.  

Carpentry certification is also based on public safety.

The line about keeping out minorities is certainly true but the trade unions
are primarily responsible for that.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [NF] IPhone Manufacturers unfortunate name

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
I thought Apple was getting rid of the smug guy in
their ads, but there he is on the right hand side.


--- Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mmmm,
 Just found out the name of the company who will be
 making the IPhone.
 
 

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2007/gb20070110_531125.htm?
 chan=tc
 
 or 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/359su5
 
 Quote:
 ...Hon Hai will assemble Apple's new wireless
 handset called the iPhone, a
 product launch that could energize the consumer
 electronics industry later
 this year
 
 And the secret revealed at last:
 
 ...Hon Hai, which operates under the trade name of
 FOXCONN...
 
 Maybe there is a connection with VFP somewhere or
 maybe the phone is
 secretly powered by the Mac version of VFPBG
 
 Dave Crozier
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
I don't agree -- we can agree to disagree that that understanding can 
be quantified and certified and should be.  You CAN'T QUANTIFY the 
artistic side of anything!  If you can't quantify it, you can't 
reasonably certify it.

I guess I'm old school.  I come from the time when there was no 
understanding of media and methods.  There were these things called 
computers made out of lots of vacuum tubes and we had to learn to 
rigorously talk their language (except somewhat for Bouroughs :-) ) and 
we had to translate real world needs into these bizarre, literal 
language structures with no schematic for how to do so (except the IF 
statement -- that's a really good one!).

So we winged it. 

I am also a musician.  certifying musicians is total bullshit.  You 
can be TRAINED, a little, to use the tools of the art but, if one is 
really good, one can shake off most of that crap and begin to be an artist.

I'm glad I no longer make my living in computers 'cause folks, it's 
getting to be way too regimented and structured for my artist's taste...

Certify away!!

Cheers;

Hal Kaplan wrote:

= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
= Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!
= 
= The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...
= 
= Can't certify art...
= 

Chet, you are absolutely right that programming is an art.

So is ...

An architect designing a building.

A plumber wiping a sweat joint just right to make it look good.

A dentist matching the color of a replacement tooth to the rest of the mouth.

An attorney doing a benefit performance in front of a jury.

A surgeon making just the right incision to get the job done ... no more, no 
less.

And the list goes on.  

No, you cannot certify art (let alone define it) but every artist has an 
understanding of his media and his methods and the ramifications of his 
actions.  And that understanding can be quantified and certified and should be.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
You're right.  It was the white TRADE unions** who were keeping out 
those others.  I was stretching an argument when I didn't have to.  
Silly me.  :-)

Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming practices?  I 
can see where lives could be at risk from programmers who write process 
control programs for nucular power plants or automobiles.  Interesting 
question, eh? 

C


PS: No matter, m$ is still evil -- there I brought it back on-topic...



** We need ONE BIG UNION of all of the working class or we'll just 
continue to all get screwed...

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www.thomhartmann.com


Hal Kaplan wrote:

= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
= 
= And yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only 
= maginally competent at best...
= 
= As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not 
= designed to weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the 
= bar for entry into lucrative professions to the favored few. 
=  In many cases, originally, it was to keep out the Blacks 
= and the Irish.  s
= 
= Basic business skills are irrelevant to a good computer 
= program and, if you believe the many pro-m$ types, so are ethics...
= 

Chet, you are kidding, right?

Plumbers are certified because the lives of people are at risk from bad 
plumbing practices.  Remember that in most jurisdictions, plumbers also handle 
natural gas installations too.  

Carpentry certification is also based on public safety.

The line about keeping out minorities is certainly true but the trade unions 
are primarily responsible for that.

B+
HALinNY


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RE: [NF] All the Write Stuff

2007-01-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
= 
= It's a decade old, but a very well-written piece:
= 
= http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html
= 
= Ted Roche
=

It reminds me of the way we did things 40 years ago.  Nothing online ... 
everything was batch.  During a good week, you could get 4 turnarounds.  You 
wrote code and bench-checked it at least twice.  Then you keypunched the code 
and you spent a lot of time looking at all the little holes in the cards to 
make sure that you punched it right and did not get a used card (with someone 
else's punches) in your deck.  Then you submitted it and rested a bit.  Then 
repeat the process.  Write, bench-check, review the last run.  Slow.  Methodic.

And now that you have a clean compilation, a decent object module, and an 
executable (no, Microsoft did not invent all those things; they can't even 
steal them without screw-ups), you tested your program.  You used a carefully 
assembled collection of data that blew the program in the past (regression 
testing) and new data that exercised whatever you were coding new.  And when 
the reporting was done, half-a-dozen of your co-workers got to rip it apart (or 
try to) just for the fun of it.

And when it went into production, you were justifiably proud and everyone in 
the organization knew how much effort went into making it good and appreciated 
your effort.  You were the star of the day (or week) because you did everything 
by the book.

And then somebody said ... OLTP ... instant gratification! ... and that was the 
beginning of the age of progress.

B+
HALinNY


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Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Justin Darnell
I have a table called export_list, and a column called exec_code (type
memo).  In my program I want to execute the code stored in the
'exec_code' column if the column is not empty.  Is this possible?  My
thought was that I could use macro expansion, but I get various errors
when trying to execute multi-line statements.

Do you all have any tips?

Thanks,

Justin Darnell


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Re: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Justin: - - --  -

Sure, just strToFile() into some temp file name, COMPILE it, and run it.

I do it all the time.

Ken


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Re: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Bourke
Various ways - you could dump it to a temporary file with STRTOFILE()
and then _VFP.DoCmd(DO tempfile.prg)
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Re: [NF] IPhone Manufacturers unfortunate name

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Bourke
He's definitely 10lb of smug in a 5lb bag ...
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Re: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Justin Darnell
Thanks to both of you for your responses.  That does work.

Do you have to take it to a file?  Not a big deal, just curious.

Thanks again,

J

On 1/18/07, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Various ways - you could dump it to a temporary file with STRTOFILE()
 and then _VFP.DoCmd(DO tempfile.prg)
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
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= Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming 
= practices?  I can see where lives could be at risk from 
= programmers who write process control programs for nucular 
= power plants or automobiles.  Interesting question, eh? 
= 
= C

Hey, if Big Jim Collisimo had computers when he was running his business, we 
may never have heard of Al Capone g.

Seriously, every once in a while we hear how someone on Social Security or 
Medicare stops getting their benefits because they died.  If you are on a 
fixed income and your checkie does not show up, that could be pretty close to 
life-threatening.  Or if the electricity to your iron lung is shut off for 
alleged failure to pay the bill.

As a retiree, you should start becoming a lot more interested in these kinds of 
scenarios, Pops.  

B+
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RE: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Tracy Pearson
You may be able to use ExecScript.

Tracy


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 Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:02 PM

 Thanks to both of you for your responses.  That does work.

 Do you have to take it to a file?  Not a big deal, just curious.

 Thanks again,

 J





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Re: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
It is funny, I am sitting here trying to figure out whether and how  
to do the same thing in PHP. I have always liked the idea of  
maintaining validation language and other utility code in tables.

Developing my own framework in PHP is bringing out my Wish I would  
have done it's of my VFP framework.

Ken

On Jan 18, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

 You may be able to use ExecScript.



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Re: Storing code in a table

2007-01-18 Thread Dave Thayer
On 1/18/07, Justin Darnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks to both of you for your responses.  That does work.

 Do you have to take it to a file?  Not a big deal, just curious.


Are you running VFP9? EXECSCRIPT() should do the trick without a tempfile.

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Re: [NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

2007-01-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
I use a little utility called AllPlayer. it does just that: plays  
(nearly) everything: most music formats and video formats, including  
Real, QT, and all of the usual Windows suspects.

www.marbit.com.pl

A bit flukey, in that some of the menu items are in Polish, but worth  
it.


On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:51 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

 WMP 10 seems to be much more of a resource hog than the previous
 versions.  I've used Yahoo Music Jukebox and am thinking about just
 using it instead of WMP 10.  What do the rest of you folks use (that
 isn't a hog like WMP 10 seems to be)?

 -- 
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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan,

 The liberals just love freedom of speech

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled to keeping
their certifications even if they manufacture their own 'facts', however.

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[OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
And a dip-shit, pipsqueek, ass-kissing, pro-torture, anti-Constitution 
ATTORNEY knows more than judges about national security?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/18/MNGNINKGA91.DTLfeed=rss.news
 



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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
Or put another way, if they don't toe the mark, they will be ousted! Didn't
Galileo have a small problem like that?

John 

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Madigan,

 The liberals just love freedom of speech

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled to keeping
their certifications even if they manufacture their own 'facts', however.

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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:38 PM, john harvey wrote:

 Or put another way, if they don't toe the mark, they will be  
 ousted! Didn't
 Galileo have a small problem like that?

Except that the mark in this case is the standard scientific peer  
review process. In Galileo's case, and in what you're trying to  
imply, it was because he reached a conclusion that differed from the  
non-scientific, religious-based world view. This is exactly the  
opposite of that: people who want to call themselves 'scientists',  
but who subjugate the scientific method to their belief system.

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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Liberals usually can't tell facts from emotions.


--- Kristyne McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  The liberals just love freedom of speech
 
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 None of us know, and so it should only be labeled a theory by both  
 sides..

The word 'theory' doesn't mean a guess. It means an explanation that  
has withstood extensive testing and verification. You do realize that  
gravity is a theory, right?

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RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
= 
= And a dip-shit, pipsqueek, ass-kissing, pro-torture, 
= anti-Constitution ATTORNEY knows more than judges about 
= national security?
= 
= http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/18/M
NGNINKGA91.DTLfeed=rss.news 
= 

'Smatta, Chet?  You don't like the guy?

He's an expert on job security and since he works for the nation, he must be an 
expert on national security. s

THERE IS NO NATIONAL SECURITY GAP.  THERE IS NO MAJOR NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.

Let's not forget the Shadow Government=Neocon=Bush plan:  Let one happen.  
Stop the rest.

They let 9-11 happen to get everyone all excited and hopped-up about national 
security and so they could eliminate our Constitutional rights (Ben Franklin 
would have had a few choice words for this).

Now, allowing another threat to actually materialize and manifest itself would 
be counterproductive.  All they want is the THREAT, the SIZZLE.  The moronic 
middle America that 60 years of congressional-dumbing-down has created  will 
buy the steak.

George and his puppeteers and Cheney and Rumsfeld are criminals who allowed 
3000 people to die on 9-11 and then used that as an excuse to have another 3000 
Americans murdered in Iraq.  

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP THIS CRAP, PUT THESE CRIMINALS ON TRIAL, AND 
APOLOGIZE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD???

B+
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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
You forgot the anti-latino words.


--- Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And a dip-shit, pipsqueek, ass-kissing, pro-torture,
 anti-Constitution 
 ATTORNEY knows more than judges about national
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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
I believe he did.  

I believe Columbus was told that he would sail off the
edge of the world.

I believe they had snow in Malibu today.  Blame that
on global warming.


--- john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or put another way, if they don't toe the mark, they
 will be ousted! Didn't
 Galileo have a small problem like that?
 
 John 
 
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 Decertifying Global
 WarmingSkeptics
 
 Madigan,
 
  The liberals just love freedom of speech
 
 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are
 not entitled to keeping
 their certifications even if they manufacture their
 own 'facts', however.
 
 Kristyne McDaniel
 http://www.mcstyles.com
 http://www.tenajahome.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
I believe it was the automobile that ended the great
ice age.  Blame the automobile for killing off the
wooly mamouths.



--- Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And how in the hell can you know which side of the
 theory is right until
 history proves it.
 
 No doubt in my mind that the temperature is
 changing, but is it a cycle that
 happens every once in awhile or a permanent thing.
 
 None of us know, and so it should only be labeled a
 theory by both sides.. 
 
 
 Virgil Bierschwale
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 -Original Message-
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 Or put another way, if they don't toe the mark, they
 will be ousted! Didn't
 Galileo have a small problem like that?
 
 John 
 
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 WarmingSkeptics
 
 Madigan,
 
  The liberals just love freedom of speech
 
 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are
 not entitled to keeping
 their certifications even if they manufacture their
 own 'facts', however.
 
 Kristyne McDaniel
 http://www.mcstyles.com
 http://www.tenajahome.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
But, it's exactly the same as Galileo, because he went against group think
which is what you have here, and not even ALL scientists agree. It's just
those on the left side of center.

John

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On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:38 PM, john harvey wrote:

 Or put another way, if they don't toe the mark, they will be  
 ousted! Didn't
 Galileo have a small problem like that?

Except that the mark in this case is the standard scientific peer  
review process. In Galileo's case, and in what you're trying to  
imply, it was because he reached a conclusion that differed from the  
non-scientific, religious-based world view. This is exactly the  
opposite of that: people who want to call themselves 'scientists',  
but who subjugate the scientific method to their belief system.

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Re: [NF] All the Write Stuff

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
They also have unlimited time and money to do their work.

Software development will probably diverge into two paths -- one 
boring and predictable for critical applications and the other 
interesting and artsy.  In some ways, it already has.  In my life I've 
been lucky enough to spend about 30 of my 42 programming years on 
one-person projects with relatively complete autonomy and could indulge 
my artistic tendencies because I'm also VERY GOOD at designing 
interfaces that real people can use with minimal frustration.  So, I 
guess I've mainly been on the artsy track.  Those few harrowing years 
when I was a tiny cog in a big (slow, inefficient, hypocritical 
corporate) environment -- didn't have fun...didn't get much done...

But...they got to the moon (and back) using the transistor version of 
the tube computer I used in my first job...

Hal Kaplan wrote:

= 
= It's a decade old, but a very well-written piece:
= 
= http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html
= 
= Ted Roche
=

It reminds me of the way we did things 40 years ago.  Nothing online ... 
everything was batch.  During a good week, you could get 4 turnarounds.  You 
wrote code and bench-checked it at least twice.  Then you keypunched the code 
and you spent a lot of time looking at all the little holes in the cards to 
make sure that you punched it right and did not get a used card (with someone 
else's punches) in your deck.  Then you submitted it and rested a bit.  Then 
repeat the process.  Write, bench-check, review the last run.  Slow.  Methodic.

And now that you have a clean compilation, a decent object module, and an 
executable (no, Microsoft did not invent all those things; they can't even 
steal them without screw-ups), you tested your program.  You used a carefully 
assembled collection of data that blew the program in the past (regression 
testing) and new data that exercised whatever you were coding new.  And when 
the reporting was done, half-a-dozen of your co-workers got to rip it apart 
(or try to) just for the fun of it.

And when it went into production, you were justifiably proud and everyone in 
the organization knew how much effort went into making it good and appreciated 
your effort.  You were the star of the day (or week) because you did 
everything by the book.

And then somebody said ... OLTP ... instant gratification! ... and that was 
the beginning of the age of progress.

B+
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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Why yes I do, and I also understand that some planets have it and some
don't.
So which one is correct ?

The problem with extensive testing and verification, at least in my opinion
is that most people when testing, already have the outcome in their mind,
which makes them arrive at the conclusion they wanted in the first place.. 


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On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 None of us know, and so it should only be labeled a theory by both 
 sides..

The word 'theory' doesn't mean a guess. It means an explanation that
has withstood extensive testing and verification. You do realize that
gravity is a theory, right?

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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

2007-01-18 Thread Chet Gardiner
I was rather pleased at how quickly and efficiently that nasty 
government bureaucracy, the SSA, got me signed up and money dropping 
into my account...



Hal Kaplan wrote:

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= Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming 
= practices?  I can see where lives could be at risk from 
= programmers who write process control programs for nucular 
= power plants or automobiles.  Interesting question, eh? 
= 
= C

Hey, if Big Jim Collisimo had computers when he was running his business, we 
may never have heard of Al Capone g.

Seriously, every once in a while we hear how someone on Social Security or 
Medicare stops getting their benefits because they died.  If you are on a 
fixed income and your checkie does not show up, that could be pretty close to 
life-threatening.  Or if the electricity to your iron lung is shut off for 
alleged failure to pay the bill.

As a retiree, you should start becoming a lot more interested in these kinds 
of scenarios, Pops.  

B+
HALinNY

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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
Try this link, the other was from my account and won't work for others.
http://www.cingular.com/treo650

John



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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Stephen the Cook
Virgil Bierschwale  wrote:
 And how in the hell can you know which side of the theory is right
 until history proves it. 
 
 No doubt in my mind that the temperature is changing, but is it a
 cycle that happens every once in awhile or a permanent thing. 
 
 None of us know, and so it should only be labeled a theory by both
 sides.. 

We have been on a warming cycle for thousands of years.  Just ask the
glaicers that use to cover 1/3 of the USA.


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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I'm using the 650 now...
Love it...
Download a software package called pdanet and connect it via usb to your
laptop, or use the bluetooth (finally getting that working reliably)

Only thing I don't like and I think it is my ISP is that when I'm roaming, I
can no longer receive my email on it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Yep, but is it a cycle, or are we headed in one direction only ? 


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Virgil Bierschwale  wrote:
 And how in the hell can you know which side of the theory is right 
 until history proves it.
 
 No doubt in my mind that the temperature is changing, but is it a 
 cycle that happens every once in awhile or a permanent thing.
 
 None of us know, and so it should only be labeled a theory by both 
 sides..

We have been on a warming cycle for thousands of years.  Just ask the
glaicers that use to cover 1/3 of the USA.


Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

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missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:55 PM, john harvey wrote:

 But, it's exactly the same as Galileo, because he went against  
 group think
 which is what you have here, and not even ALL scientists agree.  
 It's just
 those on the left side of center.

Wrong. Galileo didn't start with his conclusion and discard  
everything that didn't fit it; instead he tested things and arrived  
at a better explanation of the phenomena he was observing.

Group think is a derogatory term that implies that the only reason  
for anyone holding that position is because nearly everyone else  
does, too. It disparages the work that has gone into the analysis of  
the data that has been collected. And your lame attempt at attacking  
the data by inventing some stupid label just goes to show how  
unthinking your objections are.

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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 Why yes I do, and I also understand that some planets have it and some
 don't.

LOL!!

 So which one is correct ?

Certainly not the silliness of your first sentence. I thought you  
were trying to be serious.

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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Like I said...
Some planets have gravity
Some don't..

Which one is correct ?
Does gravity pull down, or does it have no pull at all ?

Your wonderful way with words and your superior intellect makes me think
that perhaps neither is correct and that the theory of gravity, is only a
theory. 


Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.tccutlery.com
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On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 Why yes I do, and I also understand that some planets have it and some 
 don't.

LOL!!

 So which one is correct ?

Certainly not the silliness of your first sentence. I thought you
were trying to be serious.

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Re: select from table

2007-01-18 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Sytze de Boer wrote:
 Wow, I knew that the select command was powerful, but this is incredible
 Is there a book out on this ?
 
 Anyhow, Ricardo, many thanks for below example.
 Unfortunately, it is not quite right. It gives me the result for the
 most recent 52 records
 I need the result for the most recent 52 records PER EMPLOYEE (empcode)
 
 Are you able to assist, please
 

I would have wanted to do :

select my.empcode, sum(my.gross) as GrossTotal ;
into cursor newtable ;
from mytable my ;
where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
from mytable as aux ;
where aux.empcode = my.empcode ;
order by 2 desc) as x) ;
order by empcode ;
group by empcode

But I cant. The only think I could think of would be :

create cursor myresult (empcode C(10), gross N(10,2), cycle N(5))
select empcode into cursor emps from mytable group by empcode
scan
select empcode, sum(gross) as GrossTotal ;
into cursor newtable ;
from mytable my ;
where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
from mytable as aux ;
where aux.empcode=emps.empcode ;
order by 2 desc) as x) ;
and my.empcode = emps.empcode
group by empcode ;
order by empcode
select myresult
append from dbf('mytable')
use in select('mytable')
select emps
endscan

But can't think of something with SQL only. You might also use an
INSERT INTO myresult SELECT (and here comes the select)
as the only instruction inside the scan. Don't know if it will work
being myresult a cursor (maybe dbf('mycursor')?).
Beware, haven't had the time to test the code, its coming from the top
of my head.


As for books, I have :

Learning SQL By Alan Beaulieu - Publ. O'Reilly
The Art of SQL by Stéphane Faroult and Peter Robson - Publ. O'Reilly
Sams Teach Yourself SQL in 24 Hours By Ronald R. Plew and Ryan K.
Stephens - Publ. Sams Publishing
SQL Bible by Alex Kriegel and Boris M. Trukhnov - Publ. Wiley



 Sytze
 
 
 
 If you want the last 52 cycles (sequentially last) :

 select empcode ;
 into cursor newtable ;
 from mytable my ;
 where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
 FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
 from mytable as aux ;
 order by 2 desc) as x) ;
 order by empcode ;
 group by empcode

 Regards
 Sytze


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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
Have you tried gps tracking from the phone?

John

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm using the 650 now...
Love it...
Download a software package called pdanet and connect it via usb to your
laptop, or use the bluetooth (finally getting that working reliably)

Only thing I don't like and I think it is my ISP is that when I'm roaming, I
can no longer receive my email on it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:03 PM
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I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
Everything has gravity, it's a matter of degree.

John

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GlobalWarmingSkeptics

Like I said...
Some planets have gravity
Some don't..

Which one is correct ?
Does gravity pull down, or does it have no pull at all ?

Your wonderful way with words and your superior intellect makes me think
that perhaps neither is correct and that the theory of gravity, is only a
theory. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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On Jan 18, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

 Why yes I do, and I also understand that some planets have it and some 
 don't.

LOL!!

 So which one is correct ?

Certainly not the silliness of your first sentence. I thought you
were trying to be serious.

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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I do not believe it does that..
I need a GPS receiver for my site http://www.virgilslist.com as I'm going to
be adding cemetary's to it.

Possibly that is an extra software package that can be bought ?
If not, and its part of the phone and you figure it out, let me know as I've
played with all the menu options and I havent seen anything having to do
with GPS on them. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Have you tried gps tracking from the phone?

John

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm using the 650 now...
Love it...
Download a software package called pdanet and connect it via usb to your
laptop, or use the bluetooth (finally getting that working reliably)

Only thing I don't like and I think it is my ISP is that when I'm roaming, I
can no longer receive my email on it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread john harvey
I think all new cellphones are required to have gps (E-911) included. How to
access that might be a trick.

I'm ordering the phone now.

John

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I do not believe it does that..
I need a GPS receiver for my site http://www.virgilslist.com as I'm going to
be adding cemetary's to it.

Possibly that is an extra software package that can be bought ?
If not, and its part of the phone and you figure it out, let me know as I've
played with all the menu options and I havent seen anything having to do
with GPS on them. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Have you tried gps tracking from the phone?

John

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm using the 650 now...
Love it...
Download a software package called pdanet and connect it via usb to your
laptop, or use the bluetooth (finally getting that working reliably)

Only thing I don't like and I think it is my ISP is that when I'm roaming, I
can no longer receive my email on it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I'm very satisfied with it myself...
Let me know when you figure out the GPS portion as I would like to use that
if its available..

Thanks

Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.tccutlery.com
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I think all new cellphones are required to have gps (E-911) included. How to
access that might be a trick.

I'm ordering the phone now.

John

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I do not believe it does that..
I need a GPS receiver for my site http://www.virgilslist.com as I'm going to
be adding cemetary's to it.

Possibly that is an extra software package that can be bought ?
If not, and its part of the phone and you figure it out, let me know as I've
played with all the menu options and I havent seen anything having to do
with GPS on them. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Have you tried gps tracking from the phone?

John

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Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm using the 650 now...
Love it...
Download a software package called pdanet and connect it via usb to your
laptop, or use the bluetooth (finally getting that working reliably)

Only thing I don't like and I think it is my ISP is that when I'm roaming, I
can no longer receive my email on it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Cell phone upgrade - what to get?

I'm about to upgrade my cellphone and I was thinking about getting something
that would allow me to browse the internet. I've had blackberries, and palm
pilots, and didn't care for either. I'm looking at the Palm Treo 650:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=trueq
_phoneName=Palm+Treo+650q_sku=sku154-1

Anybody familiar with this phone? Pros? Cons?

Is there a better phone for the money?

I'm on Cingular, er make that ATT, unless they've divested again!

John



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