Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
On 1/21/07, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not much of a historian, so I did find your explanation of israel and palenstine interesting. Irgun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun. In February of 1944, under the new leadership of Menachem Beginhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin, who would later become prime minister of Israel, Irgun resumed hostilities against the British authorities. The purpose of these attacks was to increase the cost of British mandatory rule and influence British public opinion so as to encourage British withdrawal. It included attacks on prominent symbols of the British administration, including the British military http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_army, police, and civil headquarters at the King David Hotelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombingon July 22, 1946 which killed 91 people and the British prison in Acre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre%2C_Israel. Although these attacks were largely successful, several Irgun operatives were captured, convicted, and hanged. Refusing to accept the jurisdiction of the British courts, those accused refused to defend themselves. The Irgun leadership ultimately responded to these executions by hanging two British sergeants, which effectively brought the executions to an end. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
It is possible that your system is being used as relay (i.e. you send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]@leafe.com and if it is a relay it sends the email on to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but looks to send it from leafe.com to the unwary). You can test your email for this at a number of web sites (just look in google) but be warned, if you do relay they will blacklist you until you get a cleared test which could take you a few hours. (If you use groupwise let me know off list as I may be able to help). -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics
Virgil, are you part of the Flat Earth Society? On 1/20/07, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you should think on a little bit bigger scale. Suppose for instance that this planet is a test tube for a larger culture, which by the way I'm hoping it isnt grin But what in the hell makes you think that everything revolves around us. Too many times I've seen people take something as gospel because they saw it written somewhere. As baby's we start out asking why until we reach a point where we become embarrassed to ask the simple question Why? when infact we should be askng it more often The universe doesn't revolve around us and our petty squabbles. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W. Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:29 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics Virgil, try to learn the difference between scientific theory and myth. On 1/19/07, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I havent said that gravity exists or doesn't... You said that. All I said is that it is a theory and a theory is only that until it has been proven or disproven by history, not by another theory. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency
Wondered how long it would take you to get in there; you surprised me that you were able to last so long! Does it not depend on where it was filmed as it certainly wasn't in Manhattan. Interesting article shows the problems the right will have: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,29449-2557635,00.html ::a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 22 January 2007 07:14 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she was going to run or not. Well look at the trees in the window. This was probably shot in the spring or summer. So all this time she lied about not making up her mind. What crapola. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/ ___ Associated Packaging is the trading name of Eurohill Traders Ltd. Registered in England and Wales : 1114987 VAT : GB210390611 Eurohill Labels Ltd Registered in England and Wales : 1372024 VAT : GB312955757 195 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent, TN9 1SU. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency
Shot in DC last week allegedly according to Drudge Report (One minute what the heck am I doing reading that!).. So possibly not crapola, but good to see you're getting in early against the next president. ::a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 22 January 2007 07:14 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she was going to run or not. Well look at the trees in the window. This was probably shot in the spring or summer. So all this time she lied about not making up her mind. What crapola. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/ ___ Associated Packaging is the trading name of Eurohill Traders Ltd. Registered in England and Wales : 1114987 VAT : GB210390611 Eurohill Labels Ltd Registered in England and Wales : 1372024 VAT : GB312955757 195 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent, TN9 1SU. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency
She's got no shot. You heard it hear first. She won't even win the nomination. 1. She's a woman 2. She's a co-dependent woman 3. She allows her husband to screw around so she can have power. 4. She's a liar a. She wasn't named after Sir Edmund Hillary as she proclaimed. b. She knew her husband was screwing around when she blamed the vast rightwing conspiracy 5. She's bisexual, she's had more women than Bill. 6. Black people are going to vote for Obama instead 7. She's anti-jewish. Put a fork in her. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shot in DC last week allegedly according to Drudge Report (One minute what the heck am I doing reading that!).. So possibly not crapola, but good to see you're getting in early against the next president. ::a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 22 January 2007 07:14 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she was going to run or not. Well look at the trees in the window. This was probably shot in the spring or summer. So all this time she lied about not making up her mind. What crapola. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/ ___ Associated Packaging is the trading name of Eurohill Traders Ltd. Registered in England and Wales : 1114987 VAT : GB210390611 Eurohill Labels Ltd Registered in England and Wales : 1372024 VAT : GB312955757 195 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent, TN9 1SU. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Dataflex - Free Visual Edition
To All, For those of you looking for alternative development platforms I came across the latest re-incarnation of Dataflex over the weekend. Back in the mid 80's and early 90's I did a lot of development using the DOS product along with Informix SQL and it was good (even though quirky) then. It seems that they have now upgraded the system to V12 and are giving the Personal Edition away for free. http://tinyurl.com/2l4v7f Dave Crozier ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] PC or Apple or ???
My windoze PC is going south (AFTER LESS THAN TWO F*CKIN' YEARS)... While it's at it it's taken out my calendar file. It runs like a slug (XP home on a HP a810n desktop. The first thing that went was burning DVDs. Have you ruled out hardware issues for the above? -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency
Michael Madigan wrote: She's got no shot. You heard it hear first. She won't even win the nomination. Howdy Mike! I'm baaack! I know you are over dependent of your syntax check (I guess I would too at your age). But you can not hear it hear, at most you can hear it here. Cheers matey 1. She's a woman 2. She's a co-dependent woman 3. She allows her husband to screw around so she can have power. 4. She's a liar a. She wasn't named after Sir Edmund Hillary as she proclaimed. b. She knew her husband was screwing around when she blamed the vast rightwing conspiracy 5. She's bisexual, she's had more women than Bill. 6. Black people are going to vote for Obama instead 7. She's anti-jewish. Put a fork in her. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shot in DC last week allegedly according to Drudge Report (One minute what the heck am I doing reading that!).. So possibly not crapola, but good to see you're getting in early against the next president. ::a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 22 January 2007 07:14 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she was going to run or not. Well look at the trees in the window. This was probably shot in the spring or summer. So all this time she lied about not making up her mind. What crapola. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/ ___ Associated Packaging is the trading name of Eurohill Traders Ltd. Registered in England and Wales : 1114987 VAT : GB210390611 Eurohill Labels Ltd Registered in England and Wales : 1372024 VAT : GB312955757 195 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent, TN9 1SU. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:32 AM, Michael Hawksworth wrote: It is possible that your system is being used as relay (i.e. you send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]@leafe.com and if it is a relay it sends the email on to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but looks to send it from leafe.com to the unwary). Since his system is bouncing those emails, it's not likely. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] PC or Apple or ???
Alan Bourke wrote: My windoze PC is going south (AFTER LESS THAN TWO F*CKIN' YEARS)... While it's at it it's taken out my calendar file. It runs like a slug (XP home on a HP a810n desktop. The first thing that went was burning DVDs. Have you ruled out hardware issues for the above? Chet's long history with equipment? Will Linux will also suffer? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 7:30 AM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: It just seems like there are much easier ways to harvest eMail addresses... hardly worth the programming time to do it this way. But I suppose they are just having fun. http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/01/spam_is_back_an.html -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency
let's hope your right -Original Message- From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:44 am Size: 2K To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com She's got no shot. You heard it hear first. She won't even win the nomination. 1. She's a woman 2. She's a co-dependent woman 3. She allows her husband to screw around so she can have power. 4. She's a liar a. She wasn't named after Sir Edmund Hillary as she proclaimed. b. She knew her husband was screwing around when she blamed the vast rightwing conspiracy 5. She's bisexual, she's had more women than Bill. 6. Black people are going to vote for Obama instead 7. She's anti-jewish. Put a fork in her. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shot in DC last week allegedly according to Drudge Report (One minute what the heck am I doing reading that!).. So possibly not crapola, but good to see you're getting in early against the next president. ::a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 22 January 2007 07:14 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she was going to run or not. Well look at the trees in the window. This was probably shot in the spring or summer. So all this time she lied about not making up her mind. What crapola. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/ ___ Associated Packaging is the trading name of Eurohill Traders Ltd. Registered in England and Wales : 1114987 VAT : GB210390611 Eurohill Labels Ltd Registered in England and Wales : 1372024 VAT : GB312955757 195 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent, TN9 1SU. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- message truncated --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Michael Hawksworth wrote: It is possible that your system is being used as relay... Thanks, but no --- I check it at ORDB every once in a while (because I made that mistake once). Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Beyond Belief 2006
Very interesting conference: http://beyondbelief2006.org/Watch/ Just 40 years after a famous TIME magazine cover asked Is God Dead? the answer appears to be a resounding No! According to a survey by the Pew Forum on Religion Public Life in a recent issue of Foreign Policy magazine, God is Winning. Religions are increasingly a geopolitical force to be reckoned with. Fundamentalist movements - some violent in the extreme - are growing. Science and religion are at odds in the classrooms and courtrooms. And a return to religious values is widely touted as an antidote to the alleged decline in public morality. After two centuries, could this be twilight for the Enlightenment project and the beginning of a new age of unreason? Will faith and dogma trump rational inquiry, or will it be possible to reconcile religious and scientific worldviews? Can evolutionary biology, anthropology and neuroscience help us to better understand how we construct beliefs, and experience empathy, fear and awe? Can science help us create a new rational narrative as poetic and powerful as those that have traditionally sustained societies? Can we treat religion as a natural phenomenon? Can we be good without God? And if not God, then what? This is a critical moment in the human situation, and The Science Network in association with the Crick-Jacobs Center brought together an extraordinary group of scientists and philosophers to explore answers to these questions. The conversation took place at the Salk Institute, La Jolla, CA from November 5-7, 2006. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 07:59 AM 1/20/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: BTW, Hitler was a believer. A believer in what? A believer in God? I'm not sure of the relevance. Are you trying to say being a believer was a root cause of Hitler's evil? Stalin was an atheist. So, was atheism the root cause of his evil? But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I believe he was 'born' into a Catholic family and I think he tried to play the Christians against Jews early on. But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? In any event, actions speak louder than words and Hitler's were definitely not in the Christian realm. -Charlie On 1/19/07, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be conjecture to say that the world might be a better place today if not for the Zionist support of Adolf Hitler in 1933 (as well as the IBM collusion with the Nazis years later) but it is almost certain that it would be different. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hitler was raised a Christian, and was exposed to Christian teachings from an early age. He did not set out to destroy religion; only the members of one religion he used as a scapegoat for Germany's problems. He may not have been a model Christian, or even a half- decent one, and he certainly wasn't a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he was a Christian. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 10:37 AM 1/22/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hmm... Didn't you just do the same thing I did? Hitler was raised a Christian, and was exposed to Christian teachings from an early age. He did not set out to destroy religion; only the members of one religion he used as a scapegoat for Germany's problems. He may not have been a model Christian, or even a half- decent one, and he certainly wasn't a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he was a Christian. I'm willing to accept Stalin was not an atheist from your point of view if you'll accept Hitler was not a Christian from my point of view. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? Was Catholic Hitler Anti-Christian? On the Trail of Bogus By Richard C. Carrier We often hear accusations that Adolf Hitler was an atheist and look what he did! The idea that Hitler believed in God, that he even claimed Christ as his own, is so shocking to people that they will go to any lengths to deny it. But the notion that Hitler was an atheist has already been soundly refuted.1 He was unmistakably a god-fearing Christian http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:59 AM 1/20/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: BTW, Hitler was a believer. A believer in what? A believer in God? I'm not sure of the relevance. Are you trying to say being a believer was a root cause of Hitler's evil? Stalin was an atheist. So, was atheism the root cause of his evil? But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I believe he was 'born' into a Catholic family and I think he tried to play the Christians against Jews early on. But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? In any event, actions speak louder than words and Hitler's were definitely not in the Christian realm. -Charlie On 1/19/07, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be conjecture to say that the world might be a better place today if not for the Zionist support of Adolf Hitler in 1933 (as well as the IBM collusion with the Nazis years later) but it is almost certain that it would be different. B+ HALinNY [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Quote for group
At 02:43 PM 1/19/2007 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People say that if you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows. Hmm... I guess that's just making fun since the CD isn't an audio CD. But what I've heard though is that if you play the Windows install CDs backwards... - your PC hardware starts working - the PC runs faster - you get your data back - and viruses are deleted ;-) -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
I didn't know Hitler was a Christian, but he could have been. He would have been a CINO, much like the RINO's of the Republican party. The Bible is full of sinners though. The greatest men of God were murderers, adulterers, etc. Moses, Paul, and the list goes on. The great difference between them and Hitler is the end result. I take comfort in the fact that they turned out to be the men they were, but they were such terrible people before. It gives one hope. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:38 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hitler was raised a Christian, and was exposed to Christian teachings from an early age. He did not set out to destroy religion; only the members of one religion he used as a scapegoat for Germany's problems. He may not have been a model Christian, or even a half- decent one, and he certainly wasn't a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he was a Christian. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hmm... Didn't you just do the same thing I did? Uh, yeah. That's called illustrating a point. I'm willing to accept Stalin was not an atheist from your point of view if you'll accept Hitler was not a Christian from my point of view. That's silly. How about I'll accept that up is down if you'll accept that left is right? Redefining terms is not the way to advance a discussion; it only serves to confuse. A better approach might be to simply say that Hitler was not a good Christian, or was an evil Christian, and that he hardly is representative of Christianity as a whole. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Was Ted Faggart a good christian? Will he be a good christian again? On 1/22/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know Hitler was a Christian, but he could have been. He would have been a CINO, much like the RINO's of the Republican party. The Bible is full of sinners though. The greatest men of God were murderers, adulterers, etc. Moses, Paul, and the list goes on. The great difference between them and Hitler is the end result. I take comfort in the fact that they turned out to be the men they were, but they were such terrible people before. It gives one hope. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:38 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hitler was raised a Christian, and was exposed to Christian teachings from an early age. He did not set out to destroy religion; only the members of one religion he used as a scapegoat for Germany's problems. He may not have been a model Christian, or even a half- decent one, and he certainly wasn't a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he was a Christian. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0111/p14s01-stgn.html A research team from Oxford University in Cambridge, England, and the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Wash., found that radiation from plutonium degrades zircon-based ceramics far faster than previously estimated - in 1,400 years, rather than the 250,000 years that waste-management experts had suggested. Zircon has been touted as a useful material for immobilizing plutonium for storage in underground nuclear-waste dumps. (Plutonium used in nuclear reactors must be isolated for 250,000 years to ensure it becomes harmless, scientists say.) The results appear in the current issue of the journal Nature. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: radiation from plutonium degrades zircon-based ceramics far faster than previously estimated - in 1,400 years, rather than the 250,000 years that waste-management experts had suggested. Who cares. We'll all be dead by then. Screw the future! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
I think there are a lot of evil atheists throughout the world. I bet that most right wing christian fundamentalists are atheists at heart, sick greedy immoral corrupt LIARS. Does that mean all atheists are evil? LOL On 1/22/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's silly. How about I'll accept that up is down if you'll accept that left is right? Redefining terms is not the way to advance a discussion; it only serves to confuse. A better approach might be to simply say that Hitler was not a good Christian, or was an evil Christian, and that he hardly is representative of Christianity as a whole. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
Talked like a true christian republican, Ed! LOL On 1/22/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: radiation from plutonium degrades zircon-based ceramics far faster than previously estimated - in 1,400 years, rather than the 250,000 years that waste-management experts had suggested. Who cares. We'll all be dead by then. Screw the future! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
He believed in that mysticism crap. He had his nitwit people looking for evidence that the Germans were decendants of Aryans. They believed in the occult and all kinds of nonsense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism Hitler was not a Christian. --- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:59 AM 1/20/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: BTW, Hitler was a believer. A believer in what? A believer in God? I'm not sure of the relevance. Are you trying to say being a believer was a root cause of Hitler's evil? Stalin was an atheist. So, was atheism the root cause of his evil? But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I believe he was 'born' into a Catholic family and I think he tried to play the Christians against Jews early on. But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? In any event, actions speak louder than words and Hitler's were definitely not in the Christian realm. -Charlie On 1/19/07, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be conjecture to say that the world might be a better place today if not for the Zionist support of Adolf Hitler in 1933 (as well as the IBM collusion with the Nazis years later) but it is almost certain that it would be different. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
I guess that makes YOU a Christian too. --- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hitler was raised a Christian, and was exposed to Christian teachings from an early age. He did not set out to destroy religion; only the members of one religion he used as a scapegoat for Germany's problems. He may not have been a model Christian, or even a half- decent one, and he certainly wasn't a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he was a Christian. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Helio W. wrote: Talked like a true christian republican, Ed! LOL No, then I would have said that since Armageddon and the Rapture are coming soon, it doesn't matter what we do now. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
You still have time to save your soul. Jesus is taking calls 24 hours a day. --- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Helio W. wrote: Talked like a true christian republican, Ed! LOL No, then I would have said that since Armageddon and the Rapture are coming soon, it doesn't matter what we do now. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics
Never heard of it, but probably not... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W. Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:37 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics Virgil, are you part of the Flat Earth Society? On 1/20/07, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you should think on a little bit bigger scale. Suppose for instance that this planet is a test tube for a larger culture, which by the way I'm hoping it isnt grin But what in the hell makes you think that everything revolves around us. Too many times I've seen people take something as gospel because they saw it written somewhere. As baby's we start out asking why until we reach a point where we become embarrassed to ask the simple question Why? when infact we should be askng it more often The universe doesn't revolve around us and our petty squabbles. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W. Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:29 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying GlobalWarmingSkeptics Virgil, try to learn the difference between scientific theory and myth. On 1/19/07, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I havent said that gravity exists or doesn't... You said that. All I said is that it is a theory and a theory is only that until it has been proven or disproven by history, not by another theory. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] PC or Apple or ???
Nope. Gonna take it in and hope it's fixable. I did load up Knoppix and it seemed to find my USB stuff ok -- I think... Alan Bourke wrote: My windoze PC is going south (AFTER LESS THAN TWO F*CKIN' YEARS)... While it's at it it's taken out my calendar file. It runs like a slug (XP home on a HP a810n desktop. The first thing that went was burning DVDs. Have you ruled out hardware issues for the above? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 01:58 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? Basically, I suppose they are trying to do the same thing you are trying to do: malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. So, in any event, if you were not suggesting anything, why did you make the statement? And then why didn't you answer my question about what you think Hitler was a believer in (or of). I didn't say Hitler was an atheist. Stalin was indeed a professed atheist. I'm not sure about Mao. I'll try to be clear with my point. When people call themselves something, whether it be Chrisitan, Muslim, Atheist, etc. It doesn't mean they actually are. I'm giving that response assuming you were trying to disparage all believers (and what I supposed to be Christian believers based on you past posts on the list). If you were simply trying to point out that Hitler called himself Christian, OK, I believe he did so as long as it suited his goals. But as I pointed out, his actions belied what he claimed to believe. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 11:02 AM 1/22/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hmm... Didn't you just do the same thing I did? Uh, yeah. That's called illustrating a point. Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Rebooting Times Square
http://www.yearinthelife.org/images/timessquareBIOS.jpg I have a mental image of the semi-nude cowboy guitar player busker guy standing bent over at the waist like a WestWorld robot, shut down until the computers come back up ... -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Rebooting Times Square
On 1/22/07, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.yearinthelife.org/images/timessquareBIOS.jpg I have a mental image of the semi-nude cowboy guitar player busker guy standing bent over at the waist like a WestWorld robot, shut down until the computers come back up ... It's amazing how often you see these kind of things. I saw one just today at the train station - a Windows messagebox overlaying the how's our trains running screen. Didn't read what it said though. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:37 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/01/spam_is_back_an.html Good article -- amazing, though, how many of the comments at the bottom completely missed the point. Death to Spammers is useless when *you* are the spammer, infected with a bot. Incidentally, I thought it wouldn't hurt to check my server for being an open relay again, even though I am positive it isn't. I was surprised to find ORDB.org had passed from the mortal coil. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/18/154259from=rss or: http://tinyurl.com/yl7hpt Any still-free alternatives anybody knows (and trusts)? Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM Ed Leafe wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. You are right! Some other interesting folks on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Charlie, I wasn't trying to malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. I just said Hitler was a believer. Hitler was a painter too. Do you think I'm trying to insinuate that all painters are evil? Madandgay does malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do in a very crude way and you never seem to bother. Why is that? Let me ask you a question: do you think the fact of someone being an atheist augments the chance of him/she being EVIL? Another question: Is Tom Haggert a believer? On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:58 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? Basically, I suppose they are trying to do the same thing you are trying to do: malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. So, in any event, if you were not suggesting anything, why did you make the statement? And then why didn't you answer my question about what you think Hitler was a believer in (or of). I didn't say Hitler was an atheist. Stalin was indeed a professed atheist. I'm not sure about Mao. I'll try to be clear with my point. When people call themselves something, whether it be Chrisitan, Muslim, Atheist, etc. It doesn't mean they actually are. I'm giving that response assuming you were trying to disparage all believers (and what I supposed to be Christian believers based on you past posts on the list). If you were simply trying to point out that Hitler called himself Christian, OK, I believe he did so as long as it suited his goals. But as I pointed out, his actions belied what he claimed to believe. -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
No. Stalin just called himself an atheist. But he was a deeply religious guy following a very dogmatic religion. That's why he felt empowered to do what he did. Just like terrorists did on 11/9. THEY WERE BELIEVERS. On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:02 AM 1/22/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I love the self-serving definitions. You declare what a Christian is, and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is by your definition not a Christian. Yet you cavalierly claim that Stalin was an atheist, yet I feel that all atheists respect human life, knowing that there is no afterlife, so there is no way that Stalin could have been an atheist. Hmm... Didn't you just do the same thing I did? Uh, yeah. That's called illustrating a point. Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Charlie, Do you think Osama Bin Laden is a believer? Or do you think he just says he's a fanatic muslim to reach his goals? Easy, no? If the guy kills somebody but he's an atheist, it's because he's an atheist. If a christian kills somebody is because he's not christian, he just said he was, in reality he was an atheist. LOL On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:58 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? Basically, I suppose they are trying to do the same thing you are trying to do: malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. So, in any event, if you were not suggesting anything, why did you make the statement? And then why didn't you answer my question about what you think Hitler was a believer in (or of). I didn't say Hitler was an atheist. Stalin was indeed a professed atheist. I'm not sure about Mao. I'll try to be clear with my point. When people call themselves something, whether it be Chrisitan, Muslim, Atheist, etc. It doesn't mean they actually are. I'm giving that response assuming you were trying to disparage all believers (and what I supposed to be Christian believers based on you past posts on the list). If you were simply trying to point out that Hitler called himself Christian, OK, I believe he did so as long as it suited his goals. But as I pointed out, his actions belied what he claimed to believe. -Charlie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Main_Page On 1/22/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM Ed Leafe wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. You are right! Some other interesting folks on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists David L. Crooks [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:13 PM, Helio W. wrote: No. Stalin just called himself an atheist. But he was a deeply religious guy following a very dogmatic religion. That's why he felt empowered to do what he did. He did not believe in a higher being as the basis of his strong beliefs. That means he was not a theist, and hence an atheist. Atheists can be very rigid and dogmatic about all sorts of things. They're just people, after all. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Rigid and dogmatic people are all the same to me. (using Madandgay's voice) Here in Brazil leftists are oblivious to facts, evidence, reasoning, seeking of truth and intellectual honesty. Brazilian conservatives just try to hide when getting caught, but leftists always try to convince the public that THEIR corruption is different... and they seem to believe it. :-) On 1/22/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:13 PM, Helio W. wrote: No. Stalin just called himself an atheist. But he was a deeply religious guy following a very dogmatic religion. That's why he felt empowered to do what he did. He did not believe in a higher being as the basis of his strong beliefs. That means he was not a theist, and hence an atheist. Atheists can be very rigid and dogmatic about all sorts of things. They're just people, after all. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 08:11 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, I wasn't trying to malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. I just said Hitler was a believer. Hitler was a painter too. Do you think I'm trying to insinuate that all painters are evil? Hmm Then why didn't you say Hitler was a painter? Why bother saying Hitler was a believer? I can't recall the whole thread, but I believe you chimed in about the time everyone was talking about evil people. If weren't implying being a believer influenced his behavior, then OK shrug Madandgay does malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do in a very crude way and you never seem to bother. Why is that? I can't speak for someone else, but I do have my own tirades occasionally. I will say that what I've observed over the years of messageboards, emails, etc, it seems the shock value of messages are on the rise. Whether it's use of crude terms expressing personal emotions, or denigrating others using intelligent-sounding speech, in general they're used to make the originator feel better. But that's just my opinion. Let me ask you a question: do you think the fact of someone being an atheist augments the chance of him/she being EVIL? That is a very interesting question. At first I thought you were asking if being an atheist would mean they were evil. I don't believe that's the case. However, you asked if being an atheist would 'augment' the chance of someone being evil. So... In my opinion I think being atheistic would increase the chances of someone becoming evil or doing evil acts. I think this mainly because my beliefs have Satan as an active deceiver of mankind. If a person doesn't have God to help counteract that, it'll be easier to trick them into thinking what they're doing is just fine. But I guess this path gets hard to follow from an atheistic point of view. Because if there is no God, who decides what is good and evil? And if there is no real distinction, how could an atheist be more prone to commit evil? That being said, history is full of non-atheistic evil-doers (assuming we can come to some general agreement on what is evil). Another question: Is Tom Haggert a believer? I'm not familiar with that name. Could you elaborate? -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Hey guys. Hitler also was a writer. So please stop writing! Helio W. wrote: Charlie, I wasn't trying to malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. I just said Hitler was a believer. Hitler was a painter too. Do you think I'm trying to insinuate that all painters are evil? Madandgay does malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do in a very crude way and you never seem to bother. Why is that? Let me ask you a question: do you think the fact of someone being an atheist augments the chance of him/she being EVIL? Another question: Is Tom Haggert a believer? On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:58 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? Basically, I suppose they are trying to do the same thing you are trying to do: malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. So, in any event, if you were not suggesting anything, why did you make the statement? And then why didn't you answer my question about what you think Hitler was a believer in (or of). I didn't say Hitler was an atheist. Stalin was indeed a professed atheist. I'm not sure about Mao. I'll try to be clear with my point. When people call themselves something, whether it be Chrisitan, Muslim, Atheist, etc. It doesn't mean they actually are. I'm giving that response assuming you were trying to disparage all believers (and what I supposed to be Christian believers based on you past posts on the list). If you were simply trying to point out that Hitler called himself Christian, OK, I believe he did so as long as it suited his goals. But as I pointed out, his actions belied what he claimed to believe. -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Michael Madigan wrote: He believed in that mysticism crap. He had his nitwit people looking for evidence that the Germans were decendants of Aryans. They believed in the occult and all kinds of nonsense. Well, you believe in resurrection, miracles, Armageddon, saints, virgin Mary, etc. Jews believe they are the people chosen by god (isn't that too similar to Nazi's Aryans?). I believe I am God. So go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism Hitler was not a Christian. --- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:59 AM 1/20/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: BTW, Hitler was a believer. A believer in what? A believer in God? I'm not sure of the relevance. Are you trying to say being a believer was a root cause of Hitler's evil? Stalin was an atheist. So, was atheism the root cause of his evil? But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I believe he was 'born' into a Catholic family and I think he tried to play the Christians against Jews early on. But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? In any event, actions speak louder than words and Hitler's were definitely not in the Christian realm. -Charlie On 1/19/07, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be conjecture to say that the world might be a better place today if not for the Zionist support of Adolf Hitler in 1933 (as well as the IBM collusion with the Nazis years later) but it is almost certain that it would be different. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 05:05 PM 1/22/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. Oh. Ok. Now that makes more sense. From your earlier email I didn't gather that you actually agreed he was an atheist. I thought you actually trying to say he wasn't an atheist by your definition. So I see why you wrote what you did at the end. On to the next You think I'm redefining terms. I'm not intentionally trying to do that. But lets consider something else. Lets say some politician declares he is an atheist. And then he's constantly seen attending church, praying in public, hands out religious tracts, says God bless you, etc. Do you think he is an atheist? At some point you have to create a set of definitions to explain the belief system. If someone puts a label on themselves but then violates the belief system of that label it would be reasonable, IMO, to say that they actually are not what they claim to be. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
At 08:10 PM 1/22/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Hey guys. Hitler also was a writer. So please stop writing! Oh and this just in... He apparently did not write software in VFP. Whew! We're safe. ;-) -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 22, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: You can try this: http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: Any still-free alternatives anybody knows (and trusts)? thanks -- it says I am OK. You know, I am beginning to think that this is the same problem Michael had a while ago. (I am searching the archives right now, but searching posts from Babcock is exhausting all of Ed's processing power!) I think the situation was some spammer spoofed *his* domain as the one originating the posts, so he got all of the bounces. (Still waiting for the archives... Time to cut back on those posts, Michael!) I checked my statistics from the eMail server, and I have rejected over 134,000 messages because of a unknown user account. Holy Smoke! (Still waiting... Ed, is that thing smoking?) Might as well just ask! Michael: Did you find a solution? Did the situation ever resolve itself? How long did it take? Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:10 PM 1/22/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Hey guys. Hitler also was a writer. So please stop writing! Oh and this just in... He apparently did not write software in VFP. Whew! We're safe. Nope! He wrote and breathed. So stop doing it immediately! ;c) ;-) -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: I think the situation was some spammer spoofed *his* domain as the one originating the posts, OK, I finally found it, but it was Alan Lukachko, not Michael. (Fortunately MB responded a few times in the thread, so I found it.) http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/324871#0 It looks like there just isn't any solution. I just hope the flood slows to a trickle. expletive deleted Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: In my opinion I think being atheistic would increase the chances of someone becoming evil or doing evil acts. I think this mainly because my beliefs have Satan as an active deceiver of mankind. If a person doesn't have God to help counteract that, it'll be easier to trick them into thinking what they're doing is just fine. An alternative POV: With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. IMO, a belief in another world, an afterlife, makes it so much easier to devalue this life. Suicide bombers are the ultimate expression of this, but even the willingness to wage war and send your own countrymen to their deaths becomes much, much easier when you believe that they will be going to a better place once they are dead. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: In my opinion I think being atheistic would increase the chances of someone becoming evil or doing evil acts. I think this mainly because my beliefs have Satan as an active deceiver of mankind. If a person doesn't have God to help counteract that, it'll be easier to trick them into thinking what they're doing is just fine. An alternative POV: With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. IMO, a belief in another world, an afterlife, makes it so much easier to devalue this life. Suicide bombers are the ultimate expression of this, but even the willingness to wage war and send your own countrymen to their deaths becomes much, much easier when you believe that they will be going to a better place once they are dead. But of course. What's more. I never understood why do christians get so angry when someone kills their children. After all they are innocent, they'll go straight to heaven. And this wonderful killer who sacrifices his immortal soul in order to send all those kids straight to heaven should be treated right and with respect and thankfulness. Or don't you believe in heaven? Maybe you'll tell me he should be punished for taking what god has granted. But that's god's business, I think he's resourceful enough to manage without you. You on the other hand, should be thankful with the killer for sending your babies to heaven. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. Oh. Ok. Now that makes more sense. From your earlier email I didn't gather that you actually agreed he was an atheist. I thought you actually trying to say he wasn't an atheist by your definition. So I see why you wrote what you did at the end. I said that to illustrate the dishonesty of re-defining things on the fly to fit your conclusion. You want to believe that all Christians are good, so faced with an obviously evil Christian, your response is to declare that he isn't a real Christian. I tried to illustrate that with a similarly defensive re-definition of Stalin to avoid tainting atheism with him. Either way, that practice is just wrong. There are good Christians and atheists; there are evil Christians and atheists. You think I'm redefining terms. I'm not intentionally trying to do that. But lets consider something else. Lets say some politician declares he is an atheist. And then he's constantly seen attending church, praying in public, hands out religious tracts, says God bless you, etc. Do you think he is an atheist? At some point you have to create a set of definitions to explain the belief system. If someone puts a label on themselves but then violates the belief system of that label it would be reasonable, IMO, to say that they actually are not what they claim to be. I'd say he is a hypocrite. It would be perfectly reasonable to say that his actions do not reflect his words. But let's take something closer to the discussion: someone who is brought up in a religion; who is raised to believe in the tenets of that religion, and who actively practices that religion. You would be comfortable saying that he is a member of that religion, I assume. But once he's grown, he is swayed by other external pressures and events to do things that we would consider evil. Is he a sinner, in need of forgiveness? Or is he automatically disqualified from being considered part of that religion once he stops observing its rules? I knew several Sopranos-type people growing up in New Jersey. They were good Catholics; attended church every week; were at all church functions; had their babies baptized in those churches; etc. Yet we all knew what they did to make their money. Are they Catholics? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Nuke power and how safe is that waste again?
Michael Madigan wrote: You still have time to save your soul. Jesus is taking calls 24 hours a day. Did you go to Washington for the birthright protests? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 7:30 AM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: But of course. What's more. I never understood why do christians get so angry when someone kills their children. After all they are innocent, they'll go straight to heaven. And this wonderful killer who sacrifices his immortal soul in order to send all those kids straight to heaven should be treated right and with respect and thankfulness. Or don't you believe in heaven? Maybe you'll tell me he should be punished for taking what god has granted. But that's god's business, I think he's resourceful enough to manage without you. You on the other hand, should be thankful with the killer for sending your babies to heaven. When I got married, it was a Catholic ceremony, since both my wife's family and mine are largely Catholic. A requirement for getting married in a Catholic church is attending a pre-Cana workshop, which is supposed to give you the tools for a successful Catholic marriage. On the subject of children, it was stressed repeatedly that once you have a child, your highest purpose in life was to ensure that that child's soul went to heaven. Didn't matter if they became a doctor, a President, or anything else; if their soul was lost, you had failed as a parent. Recalling my catechism from my childhood, I knew that baptized babies who died before the age of 7 were supposed to go straight to heaven, as they didn't have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong until that age, so they couldn't have sinned. It seemed logical at that point that the best solution was to have a kid, get it baptized, and then kill it. You might go to hell, but all those babies would be enjoying eternal happiness, thanks to you. Guess that's what happens when you add logic to matters of faith. ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: I think the situation was some spammer spoofed *his* domain as the one originating the posts, OK, I finally found it, but it was Alan Lukachko, not Michael. (Fortunately MB responded a few times in the thread, so I found it.) http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/324871#0 It looks like there just isn't any solution. I just hope the flood slows to a trickle. Ya know, shotguns aren't just for leaving by the front door when some gorilla comes calling for your baby girl for her first car date Of course, I may have a somewhat more conservative approach to this type of problem than others, so I'd better stop this before the OT police come tapping my phone lines. Whil (Who thinks a vigilante hunting down the top 50 spammers in the country would make a terrific story line.) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Magical Beliefs
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/health/psychology/23magic.html ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/32nsj5 ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - “The question is why do people create this illusion of magical power?” said the lead author, Emily Pronin, an assistant professor of psychology and public affairs at Princeton. “I think in part it’s because we are constantly exposed to our own thoughts, they are most salient to us” — and thus we are likely to overestimate their connection to outside events. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] eMail flood on my server
Hello Ken, He's an update. I checked with my hosting company Textdrive. They, as many who replied on this list, said that there was not much I could do about the spoofed e-mails. What I did (and this is not necessarily the solution) was to access my e-mail through the Webmail interface on the Textdrive server. I would delete any e-mail that was suspicious. Then I would download the e-mails using the Outlook client. Over the course of a few weeks, the number of 'spoofed' e-mails declined to the point that I now get only one or two a day. I suspect what really happened is that the bot got discovered and was deleted off the sending server or it was just not any more fun for the perpetrator. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:07 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server On Jan 22, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: I think the situation was some spammer spoofed *his* domain as the one originating the posts, OK, I finally found it, but it was Alan Lukachko, not Michael. (Fortunately MB responded a few times in the thread, so I found it.) http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/324871#0 It looks like there just isn't any solution. I just hope the flood slows to a trickle. expletive deleted Ken [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] 22 Years Ago Today
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72496-0.html -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: OK, I finally found it, but it was Alan Lukachko, not Michael. (Fortunately MB responded a few times in the thread, so I found it.) Glad to help (indirectly as it were). g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Hellatio, Yes Atheists have a long history of evil. Stallin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, in fact the most evil in history. Torquemata is the only really evil Christian that comes to mind. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie, I wasn't trying to malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. I just said Hitler was a believer. Hitler was a painter too. Do you think I'm trying to insinuate that all painters are evil? Madandgay does malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do in a very crude way and you never seem to bother. Why is that? Let me ask you a question: do you think the fact of someone being an atheist augments the chance of him/she being EVIL? Another question: Is Tom Haggert a believer? On 1/22/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:58 PM 1/22/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I'm not suggesting anything. I just said that Hitler was a believer. BTW, when christians lie that Hitler was an atheist, say that Stalin and Mao were atheists, what are they suggesting? Basically, I suppose they are trying to do the same thing you are trying to do: malign an overall general group that doesn't believe the same way they do. So, in any event, if you were not suggesting anything, why did you make the statement? And then why didn't you answer my question about what you think Hitler was a believer in (or of). I didn't say Hitler was an atheist. Stalin was indeed a professed atheist. I'm not sure about Mao. I'll try to be clear with my point. When people call themselves something, whether it be Chrisitan, Muslim, Atheist, etc. It doesn't mean they actually are. I'm giving that response assuming you were trying to disparage all believers (and what I supposed to be Christian believers based on you past posts on the list). If you were simply trying to point out that Hitler called himself Christian, OK, I believe he did so as long as it suited his goals. But as I pointed out, his actions belied what he claimed to believe. -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Larry Flynt. Now there's a guy I want to represent my religion. Patton Oswalt. Here's a manly Atheist you should be proud of. Linus Torvalds - Better start praying or you'll never overtake Windows. --- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM Ed Leafe wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. You are right! Some other interesting folks on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
I proudly believe in the Resurrection. It's not too late for you. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: He believed in that mysticism crap. He had his nitwit people looking for evidence that the Germans were decendants of Aryans. They believed in the occult and all kinds of nonsense. Well, you believe in resurrection, miracles, Armageddon, saints, virgin Mary, etc. Jews believe they are the people chosen by god (isn't that too similar to Nazi's Aryans?). I believe I am God. So go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism Hitler was not a Christian. --- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:59 AM 1/20/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: BTW, Hitler was a believer. A believer in what? A believer in God? I'm not sure of the relevance. Are you trying to say being a believer was a root cause of Hitler's evil? Stalin was an atheist. So, was atheism the root cause of his evil? But if you're suggesting he was 'Christian' I completely disagree. No one can truly know what's in another's heart, but all I can say is the empirical evidence definitely does not indicate Hitler was a Christian. I believe he was 'born' into a Catholic family and I think he tried to play the Christians against Jews early on. But didn't Hitler eventually claim Christianity was a rebellion against natural law and vowed to destroy it? In any event, actions speak louder than words and Hitler's were definitely not in the Christian realm. -Charlie On 1/19/07, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be conjecture to say that the world might be a better place today if not for the Zionist support of Adolf Hitler in 1933 (as well as the IBM collusion with the Nazis years later) but it is almost certain that it would be different. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle
Did you tell the priest that you killed your first baby? How did that go over? --- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: But of course. What's more. I never understood why do christians get so angry when someone kills their children. After all they are innocent, they'll go straight to heaven. And this wonderful killer who sacrifices his immortal soul in order to send all those kids straight to heaven should be treated right and with respect and thankfulness. Or don't you believe in heaven? Maybe you'll tell me he should be punished for taking what god has granted. But that's god's business, I think he's resourceful enough to manage without you. You on the other hand, should be thankful with the killer for sending your babies to heaven. When I got married, it was a Catholic ceremony, since both my wife's family and mine are largely Catholic. A requirement for getting married in a Catholic church is attending a pre-Cana workshop, which is supposed to give you the tools for a successful Catholic marriage. On the subject of children, it was stressed repeatedly that once you have a child, your highest purpose in life was to ensure that that child's soul went to heaven. Didn't matter if they became a doctor, a President, or anything else; if their soul was lost, you had failed as a parent. Recalling my catechism from my childhood, I knew that baptized babies who died before the age of 7 were supposed to go straight to heaven, as they didn't have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong until that age, so they couldn't have sinned. It seemed logical at that point that the best solution was to have a kid, get it baptized, and then kill it. You might go to hell, but all those babies would be enjoying eternal happiness, thanks to you. Guess that's what happens when you add logic to matters of faith. ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
