Re: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 for Windows

2007-04-24 Thread Alan Bourke
Are you using the latest remote desktop client? There was a new one 
released very recently to work when connecting to Vista.




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[NF] If Architects Had To Work Like Web Designers...

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Leafe
...or other developers, for that matter; sure sounds like some of my  
clients!

http://twasink.net/blog/archives/2004/10/if_architects_h.html


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Form design

2007-04-24 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Hi

I need to create a form with several buttons and containers in such
a way that when a container gets the focus, there is only one exit
path. I mean all F keys, Alt+key and mouse clicks are disabled while
the user acts on the container.
Any hints on how to tackle this ?

TIA, E.


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RE: Form design

2007-04-24 Thread Dave Crozier
Euricho,
On the form KeyPreview=.T.

In the Keypress event of the Form then disregard any unwanted keystrokes.
The only problem here is that you will have to disable your own top level
menu commands or they will still fire. I suggest a global object
oGlobal_Object with a lIgnore_Keys property which you set to be .T. when
the container gets focus. 

In the skip for of your menu's set the skipfor to be
oGlobal_Object.lIgnore_Keys

That should do it.

Unfortunately that won't trap Windows keys but you didn't specify that. If
you need this then you'll have to use the wondows API. See news2news.com for
details or failing that I could dig out something from my archives later
today.

Dave Crozier


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Hi

I need to create a form with several buttons and containers in such
a way that when a container gets the focus, there is only one exit
path. I mean all F keys, Alt+key and mouse clicks are disabled while
the user acts on the container.
Any hints on how to tackle this ?

TIA, E.


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RE: Form design

2007-04-24 Thread Dave Crozier
Euricho,
I forgot to add in the Keypressed event of the form issue the NoDefault to
stop any unwanted keys, just in case you didn't know.

Dave Crozier


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Hi

I need to create a form with several buttons and containers in such
a way that when a container gets the focus, there is only one exit
path. I mean all F keys, Alt+key and mouse clicks are disabled while
the user acts on the container.
Any hints on how to tackle this ?

TIA, E.


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Re: [OT] Start using biodiesel

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
The temperature went down to 8 degrees Fahrenheit one December day back 
in the 1980s.  The wind was coming out of the north 15 to 25 MPH with 
snow and sleet.  It's not unusual to see temperatures at 15 to 20 degree 
Fahrenheit.

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:
 On Monday 23 April 2007 11:58 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 Hi Leland!

 How cold?

   
 The Lucas additive is really not for keeping the diesel from jelling,
 it to keep the engine clean, mostly, and as Virgil pointed out, it can
 get cold in Abilene,
 

   



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[OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Leafe
Well, not as much after watching my fellow countrymen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI


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Form design

2007-04-24 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Hi Dave

Thanks for your input.
I am trapping the FKeys with Keypreview and the other keys in the
keypress event of the textboxes inside the containers. The problem is the
mouse click, it still happens, so I am going to need a property, like u
suggest.
To resolve all the other issues I declared the form, modal.

From a design point of view I feel this is a mess I think I should
have a method that would allow or not the focus to be moved. How
to set this up is evading me.

Thanks, E.

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RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2K6 problem

2007-04-24 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Click on the check number column to sort it by check number
There probably is one, but since its sorted by the date column, you're not
seeing it.

Virgil Bierschwale
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(830) 329-6774 Cell
(830) 864-4799 Fax
(830) 864-4726 Home
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http://www.JobsForOurFuture.com/index.php



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Subject: [NF] Quickbooks 2K6 problem

Whenever I enter a check, it always says there's already another check 
#   -- but there's not!  Is there some sort of reindex routine in 
QB that I can run to rectify this nuisance message?

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Re: [NF] Maybe there is hope for the computer industry after all

2007-04-24 Thread Man-wai CHANG
 Can't recall exactly, but there was a URL someone submitted recently 
 (either here or on VFUG) that noted the dismal sales of Vista in China, 
 and how much $$ M$ spent there (and basically didn't get the returnyet).

To augment, I bought them because I could afford it, not... well...Why
didn't Vi$ta have a 64-bit driver for Realtek 8029AS but Linux does?

-- 
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 / v \   May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.20.7
/( _ )\  (Ubuntu 6.10)  21:28:01 up 5 days 2:14
  ^ ^0 users load average: 1.00 1.00 1.00
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RE: Form design

2007-04-24 Thread Dave Crozier
Eurico,
Change the cursor _Screen.Mousepointer when the mouse enters/leaves the
Object. If you set it to busy (11) when Exiting (Mouseleave) then you can
check it in the controls outside the container via the when event. To
disable (i.e return _Screen.Mousepointer=0) to disable access to the control
and effectively removing it from use.

I would suggest doing this in a Bindevent() loop within the form Init() as
opposed to coding the when event in each control.

Dave Crozier


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Subject: Form design

Hi Dave

Thanks for your input.
I am trapping the FKeys with Keypreview and the other keys in the
keypress event of the textboxes inside the containers. The problem is the
mouse click, it still happens, so I am going to need a property, like u
suggest.
To resolve all the other issues I declared the form, modal.

From a design point of view I feel this is a mess I think I should
have a method that would allow or not the focus to be moved. How
to set this up is evading me.

Thanks, E.

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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
When will the Tesla begin appearing on the Dealer's show floor of 
general consumer consumption?  Any idea of what I would be looking at in 
terms of cost?

Regards,

LelandJ

Chet Gardiner wrote:
 A chance to see, buy and have lunch with a Tesla;

 http://asme-tesla.eventbrite.com/

 Pretty damn good deal...


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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Not to be a jerk, but can we revive this thread in the [OT] forum,  
please?


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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Never mind, I found the cost, which would runs around $100,000 each 
after adding a few options, sales tax and registration  fees.  It 
appears that to buy a Telsa requires a $50,000.00 premium or $30,000.00 
patient buyer down payment, so the car will not be generally available 
on Dearler lots, at least at first.  If I put down $50,000.00 today for 
the premium treatment, I wouldn't receive my car until Jun of 2008 at 
the earliest.

The Telsa isn't exactly a family car from looking at the pictures, so I 
think I will hid and watch to see how the Telsa does.  If the Telso ever 
hit critical mass, where the investment in plant, equipment, and 
distribution through dealers ever occur, I would be more interested.  
This would require mass production of the Telsa, which should also 
reduce cost of the Telsa and add some additional models for the consumer.

http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

http://www.teslamotors.com/customer_care/contact_us.php?section=reservesbl=1

Regards,

LelandJ


Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 When will the Tesla begin appearing on the Dealer's show floor of 
 general consumer consumption?  Any idea of what I would be looking at in 
 terms of cost?

 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Chet Gardiner wrote:
   
 A chance to see, buy and have lunch with a Tesla;

 http://asme-tesla.eventbrite.com/

 Pretty damn good deal...


 
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RE: [OT] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Hal Kaplan
 
.com 
= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
= 
= The Telsa isn't exactly a family car from looking at the 
= pictures, so I think I will hid and watch to see how the 
= Telsa does.  If the Telso ever hit critical mass, where the 
= investment in plant, equipment, and distribution through 
= dealers ever occur, I would be more interested.  
= This would require mass production of the Telsa, which 
= should also reduce cost of the Telsa and add some additional 
= models for the consumer.
= 
= LelandJ
= 

Leland, you could always trade-in your DeLorean, no?  I am sticking with my Jag.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [OT] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
I'm still driving my 2005 VW Jetta TDI wagon with which I am very 
pleased.  I haven't had a single problem with her.  She is always ready 
when I have to go anywhere.  I don't do a lot of driving, so I only have 
around 7,000 miles on my Jetta wagon.  It really takes around 60,000 
miles before the Jetta diesel engine is fully broken in, so I have a 
long ways to go.

It's not unusual for small diesel autos to get over 1 million miles with 
the original engine that came with the car, so my guess is I will wear 
out long before my VW Jetta TDI wagon does.

My current plan are to run the wagon until the warranty expires, and 
then take her to Dallas for a mod that would take her up to 133 hp and 
215 to 230 torque.

I can't stopping thinking about the new 2008 Sportswagon, though.  I 
would damn near be willing to sell a kidney to have one as my second 
car, or I could trade in my 2005 Jetta for the new model.   Decision, 
decisions.

Regards,

LelandJ

Hal Kaplan wrote:
  
 .com 
 = [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
 = 
 = The Telsa isn't exactly a family car from looking at the 
 = pictures, so I think I will hid and watch to see how the 
 = Telsa does.  If the Telso ever hit critical mass, where the 
 = investment in plant, equipment, and distribution through 
 = dealers ever occur, I would be more interested.  
 = This would require mass production of the Telsa, which 
 = should also reduce cost of the Telsa and add some additional 
 = models for the consumer.
 = 
 = LelandJ
 = 

 Leland, you could always trade-in your DeLorean, no?  I am sticking with my 
 Jag.

 B+
 HALinNY


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Re: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I believe he was interviewing Americans.


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[NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Hey - - -  - -

I know, why ask a PHP question in here?

1. You know the context of what I am talking about.
2. PHP forums main answer: RTFM
  -- not relevant for this question
3. Secondary PGP forum answer: Search the archives
  -- the archives, um, inhale vigorously (at least compared to  
what we are used to)
4. I know some of you are working in PHP

So here goes:

Is there any product out there that debugs PHP code reasonably  
similarly to the way that VFP's debugger works? By which I mean:
  - Set a breakpoint
  - Step through code line-by-line
  - See results (variable values, etc.)

Insert Deity! I miss having the debug tool integrated into the  
product!!

I have tried Komodo, which uses the DBG engine, I think. It *looks*  
like it is going to be similar, but breakpoints are unreliable, and a  
single step takes you off through a black hole, ending up in random  
spots 3 processes later. I have tried to set up XDebug, but didn't  
succeed. If I am going to work through the labyrinthine installation  
process, I would like to have some idea that is is going to work.

For the moment, I am doing it in W2K, but would happily do it on my  
Mac or Linux machine if that would be easier.

Now pardon me a while so I can go bang my head on my concrete wall.  
That is far less painful.

Ken


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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread MB Software Solutions
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 Hey - - -  - -

 I know, why ask a PHP question in here?

 1. You know the context of what I am talking about.
 2. PHP forums main answer: RTFM
   -- not relevant for this question
 3. Secondary PGP forum answer: Search the archives
   -- the archives, um, inhale vigorously (at least compared to  
 what we are used to)
   

It does seem (for whatever reason) that this community seems to be much 
more friendly than others in some ways, and less geeky in terms of 
the RTFM crappy responses (i.e., bitch-slapping).  Some do 
bitch-slap here (although I won't mention names, Mr. S!) but for the 
most part, developers here are the kind of guys you'd like to hang out 
with (well, as long as you didn't talk about religion/politics/sheep).   g

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RE: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Arnold

Ken,

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-debug/

There are many PHP debugging techniques that can save you countless
hours when coding. An effective but basic debugging technique is to
simply turn on error reporting. Another slightly more advanced technique
involves using print statements, which can help pinpoint more elusive
bugs by displaying what is actually going onto the screen. PHPeclipse is
an Eclipse plug-in that can highlight common syntax errors and can be
used in conjunction with a debugger to set breakpoints.


Requires an add-in, but that may be free.

Bill



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:52 PM
 To: Profox
 Subject: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP
 
 
 Hey - - -  - -
 
 I know, why ask a PHP question in here?
 
 1. You know the context of what I am talking about.
 2. PHP forums main answer: RTFM
   -- not relevant for this question
 3. Secondary PGP forum answer: Search the archives
   -- the archives, um, inhale vigorously (at least compared to  
 what we are used to)
 4. I know some of you are working in PHP
 
 So here goes:
 
 Is there any product out there that debugs PHP code reasonably  
 similarly to the way that VFP's debugger works? By which I mean:
   - Set a breakpoint
   - Step through code line-by-line
   - See results (variable values, etc.)
 
 Insert Deity! I miss having the debug tool integrated into the  
 product!!
 
 I have tried Komodo, which uses the DBG engine, I think. It *looks*  
 like it is going to be similar, but breakpoints are 
 unreliable, and a  
 single step takes you off through a black hole, ending up 
 in random  
 spots 3 processes later. I have tried to set up XDebug, but didn't  
 succeed. If I am going to work through the labyrinthine installation  
 process, I would like to have some idea that is is going to work.
 
 For the moment, I am doing it in W2K, but would happily do it on my  
 Mac or Linux machine if that would be easier.
 
 Now pardon me a while so I can go bang my head on my concrete wall.  
 That is far less painful.
 
 Ken
 
 
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Re: [OT] Start using biodiesel

2007-04-24 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 9:54 am, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

Hi Leland!

The engine I had (Cummins 14 Liter) would generally be ok at 8F if it wasn't 
shut off for too long. Minus 8, however, would make it choke. I would use 
additives all winter, though, because I never really knew where I was going 
or what was coming.

 The temperature went down to 8 degrees Fahrenheit one December day back
 in the 1980s.  The wind was coming out of the north 15 to 25 MPH with
 snow and sleet.  It's not unusual to see temperatures at 15 to 20 degree
 Fahrenheit.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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Re: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote:
   Well, not as much after watching my fellow countrymen:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
   

Reminds me a lot of the movie Idiocracy
I'm sure he asked a lot of people, though, and only edited together the 
dumbest ones.  I see the same 4 or 5 people over and over again

-- 
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Re: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I think if you go to NY, you'll find a lot of people
who voted for Hillary.


--- Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ed Leafe wrote:
  Well, not as much after watching my fellow
 countrymen:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI

 
 Reminds me a lot of the movie Idiocracy
 I'm sure he asked a lot of people, though, and only
 edited together the 
 dumbest ones.  I see the same 4 or 5 people over and
 over again
 
 -- 
 Vince Teachout
 Caracal Software
 www.caracal.net
 518-733-9411
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Arnold

  Well, not as much after watching my fellow countrymen:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI

 
 Reminds me a lot of the movie Idiocracy
 I'm sure he asked a lot of people, though, and only edited 
 together the 
 dumbest ones.  I see the same 4 or 5 people over and over again


I'll take the opportunity to note the insight this offers into the
mechanics of a news system. 

Take any proposition, say that we're all stupid, or that we really
wanted to invade the ME. The wilder it gets the bigger the challenge,
but as this show illustrates, you can always find a sliver of mankind
that matches what you're selling.



Bill


 
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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Stepping through code in Komodo seems to work in perl pretty well.  The 
below excerpt is from Komodo help:

#-

Instead of running to the end of a program or to the next breakpoint, 
the debugger can also step through code one statement at a time. The 
following Debug menu items and toolbar buttons control stepping behavior:

* *Step In*: Executes the current statement and pauses at the
  following statement.
* *Step Over*: Executes the current statement. If the line of code
  calls a function or method, the function or method is executed in
  the background and the debugger pauses at the statement that
  follows the original one.
* *Step Out*: When the debugger is within a function or method,
  *Step Out* will execute the code without stepping through the code
  line by line. The debugger will stop on the line of code following
  the function or method call in the calling program.

When stepping through a program which calls a function or method from an 
external program (e.g. a module or package) the debugger steps into the 
external program at the point where the function or method is called, 
opening it in a new tab. Stepping continues in the external program 
until the function call is completed.

*Note*: Perl operators |sort|, |map|, and |grep| behave like other 
looping constructs with respect to stepping behavior in the debugger. 
When Komodo has stopped at one of these operators, *Step Over* stops at 
the first statement or expression used within the first argument of 
these operators.

For example, if the debugger steps over a statement containing a 
|foreach|, |while|, |map|, |grep|, or |sort| looping construct that 
evaluates its body five times, the debugger remains inside that loop for 
five iterations. When it steps over on the sixth iteration, the debugger 
exits the loop and stops at the next statement.

To skip execution of such looping constructs, set a breakpoint on the 
statement following the construct, and continue until Komodo reaches 
that breakpoint.

#--

Active State has also developed a way to easily distribute applications 
(eg The Perl Development Kit or PDK for short).  Here is more on the PDK:

http://www.activestate.com/products/perl_dev_kit/feature_list.plex

I haven't tried the PDK yet, because it may require that I switch my 
development for regular perl to Active State's release of perl, which 
isn't too bad, since Active State's release of perl is free and runs on 
all the different platforms.

Anyway, the PDK look interesting to me as It  would appear to allow me 
to distribute my apps, including aLL necessary modules, in one bundle 
that would run on the clients computer whether they had perl installed 
or not.

Regards,

LelandJ






Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 Hey - - -  - -

 I know, why ask a PHP question in here?

 1. You know the context of what I am talking about.
 2. PHP forums main answer: RTFM
   -- not relevant for this question
 3. Secondary PGP forum answer: Search the archives
   -- the archives, um, inhale vigorously (at least compared to  
 what we are used to)
 4. I know some of you are working in PHP

 So here goes:

 Is there any product out there that debugs PHP code reasonably  
 similarly to the way that VFP's debugger works? By which I mean:
   - Set a breakpoint
   - Step through code line-by-line
   - See results (variable values, etc.)

 Insert Deity! I miss having the debug tool integrated into the  
 product!!

 I have tried Komodo, which uses the DBG engine, I think. It *looks*  
 like it is going to be similar, but breakpoints are unreliable, and a  
 single step takes you off through a black hole, ending up in random  
 spots 3 processes later. I have tried to set up XDebug, but didn't  
 succeed. If I am going to work through the labyrinthine installation  
 process, I would like to have some idea that is is going to work.

 For the moment, I am doing it in W2K, but would happily do it on my  
 Mac or Linux machine if that would be easier.

 Now pardon me a while so I can go bang my head on my concrete wall.  
 That is far less painful.

 Ken


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RE: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Hal Kaplan
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= I think if you go to NY, you'll find a lot of people who 
= voted for Hillary.
= 

That could be how she got elected as one of New York's U.S. Senators.

B+
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RE: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 forWindows

2007-04-24 Thread Hal Kaplan
FPW 2.5 is an amazing piece of code because Fox Software got no help at
all from Microsoft.  Consequently it is NOT 100% Windows compliant.
There are definitely some areas (scroll bars and list boxes come to
mind) that just will not behave as you might expect.

HTH

B+
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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Chet Gardiner
Just a quick check brought up these 5 threads on electric cars and cars 
in the recent past:

http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/345670
http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/340656
http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/310126
http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/253545
http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/250467

Ah, but I didn't originally post those...

I just posted a link about an event that I thought some folks who live 
in the S.F. Bay Area might like to attend out of scientific curiosity.



Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 Not to be a jerk, but can we revive this thread in the [OT] forum,  
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[NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
...and in the time it took me to tab from the Subject line to the 
message body, I forgot what I was going to say. Ever have one of those days?

What I _really_ wanted to ask was how you got started. You've been 
working on a project for a while, and then you put it aside for a while 
(you can define 'while' to be anywhere from 10 minutes to a week, or more).

Now it's time to pick it back up again. And all that info that was 
swirling around in your head - the mental map of what you were working 
on - is gone. You have to reacquire it.

Alan Schwartz said that the key to successful RAD is to keep the 
iteration time shorter than your attention span. I guess that's why I 
keep buying faster and faster computers, even though I'm still using the 
same tools I was five years ago.

And DeMarco said that the single most critical aspect of software 
development is long blocks of uninterrupted time. He suggested that it 
takes 20 minutes to become one with the ball again after an 
interruption. I have five kids, a wife, and a really annoying neighbor. 
I haven't seen 20 uninterrupted minutes since I was 36.

So looking at the rest of my year, I'm faced with the reality that I 
won't be seeing those 'long blocks of uninterrupted time' until everyone 
else in my family dies or graduates from college. The neighbor, well, I 
found she hates Black Sabbath. One takes the little wins when one can.

Thus, I've decided that I need to adjust my development style, in the 
face of Schwartz and DeMarco. I need to pick up a project I had to put 
aside last Thursday, and get something productive done in the next 90 
minutes. I don't have a 10 hour block of time with which I can regrok 
the thing.

A writer friend of mine says that he never stops work at the end of a 
chapter, or even the end of a section. He stops right in the middle of 
something that's flowing really well, because it's so much easier to 
pick it back up and quickly get in the groove.

What do you guys do?

Whil



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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Hal Kaplan
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= What do you guys do?
= 
= Whil
= 

Huh?

B+
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[OT] JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

2007-04-24 Thread Kent Belan
JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data
I found rather hard to believe.  It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the
direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country  is unhappy
with the performance of the president.  In essence 2/3s of the citizenry
just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so
unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week?  Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the
summer and heating in the winter?  Could it be that 95.4 percent of these
unhappy folks have a job?  Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery
store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the
last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the  Atlantic
Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through
each state?   Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we  would
find along the way that can provide temporary  shelter?  I guess having
thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just
not good enough.  Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency
workers show up and provide services to  help all and even send a helicopter
to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.  You may
be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of
trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to
extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.  Or
if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or
prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest
will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.  This all in
the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and
pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own
cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy
that are the envy of everyone in the world?  Maybe that is what has 67
percent of you folks unhappy. Fact is, we are the largest group of
ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen.   No wonder the world
loves the U.S. ,  yet has a great disdain for its citizens.  They see us for
what  we are.  The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but
complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country
instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know.  What about the president who took us into war and has no
plan to get us out?  The president who has a measly 31 percent approval
rating?   Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days
after 9/11?  The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of
recession?  Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the
book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from
terrorist attacks?

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending
you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show?
Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a
look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about  it..are you upset at the President because he actually
caused you personal pain OR is it because the Media told you he was
failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it.  The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have
volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom.
There is currently no draft in this country.  They didn't have to go. ; They
are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an
''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a
''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of
Americans?  Say what you want but I blame it on the media.  If it bleeds it
leads and they specialize in bad news.  Everybody will watch a car crash
with blood and guts.  How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the
corner?  The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations.
They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by
justifying them in one way or another.  Just ask why they tried to allow a
murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his
wife, but if he did he would have done it this way..Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media.  Shut off the
TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird
cage.  Then start being grateful for all we have as a country.  There is
exponentially more good than bad

We are 

Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

 What do you guys do?

Waste time reading and responding to ProFox?

Actually, it is true. Particularly in the old days when there was  
actually some Fox in here. Reading, thinking about, and even  
answering (on those rare occasions when someone smarter hasn't  
already given a better answer than the one I was considering) ProFox  
eMails (and CServe before that) got me thinkin' technikal again.

Which would lead me to thinking about my puzzle of the moment --  
which leads me to actually doing something about it.

So -- I need to waste *some* time on something in the neighborhood of  
my own issues.

Ken


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Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Hal Kaplan wrote:
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 = 
 = What do you guys do?
 = 
 = Whil
 = 
 
 Huh?

Lose your train of thought already? :)

What do you do to get started on a project again, to regain that 'mental 
map' of a system you haven't worked with for a while, to begin working 
first thing in the morning without piddling around for 20 minutes trying 
to remember where to start

that sort of thing...

OK?

Whil


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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread David Crooks
On Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:58 PM Whil Hentzen wrote:

Lose your train of thought already? :)

What do you do to get started on a project again, to regain that
'mental map' of a system you haven't worked 
with for a while, to begin working first thing in the morning without
piddling around for 20 minutes trying to 
remember where to start

that sort of thing...

OK?

My train of thought derailed!  Yes, I usually have to run the program to
see what isn't working and go from there.

David L. Crooks



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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
That's what I'm doing a lot of today and I'm beginning to believe that I
hate stepping through a program in remote desktop connection.



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Subject: RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

On Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:58 PM Whil Hentzen wrote:

Lose your train of thought already? :)

What do you do to get started on a project again, to regain that
'mental map' of a system you haven't worked 
with for a while, to begin working first thing in the morning without
piddling around for 20 minutes trying to 
remember where to start

that sort of thing...

OK?

My train of thought derailed!  Yes, I usually have to run the program to
see what isn't working and go from there.

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Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew Jarvis
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 Lose your train of thought already? :)
 
 What do you do to get started on a project again, to regain that 'mental 
 map' of a system you haven't worked with for a while, to begin working 
 first thing in the morning without piddling around for 20 minutes trying 
 to remember where to start
 
 that sort of thing...
 
 OK?
 
 Whil
 


Well, one thing I was in the habit of doing was having a little text 
file in the folder where each project resided, called leftoff.txt

When quitting for the day, week, whatever, I'd jot some notes in there 
about the form or report I was working on, what problem I was trying to 
solve along with the obstacles I ran into... keep it short so it isn't a 
burden to write and you are more likely to stay with the habit...

But getting into the mood to start up again, that's a different 
problem..  g


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RE: [OT] JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

2007-04-24 Thread David Crooks
On Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:53 PM Kent Belan wrote

JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
snipped

False.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/jayleno.asp

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Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 What do you do to get started on a project again, to regain that 'mental 
 map' of a system you haven't worked with for a while, to begin working 
 first thing in the morning without piddling around for 20 minutes trying 
 to remember where to start

 that sort of thing...

   

Lots of comments and project and/or desktop notes files to record my 
thoughts.  I also have the Olympus digital voice recorder too for 
capturing those 'elusive' thoughts that sometimes have a habit of 
escaping me!  It's got a cable that connects to the USB port for 
download to computer too for the geeky users who want to save their 
recordings onto computer!

-- 
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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 Stepping through code in Komodo seems to work in perl pretty well.

It says that it does, and it looks like it should, but it doesn't  
seem to in PHP. It just jumped all over the place




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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Apr 24, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Bill Arnold wrote:


 There are many PHP debugging techniques that can save you countless
 hours when coding.

Thanks for the link, Bill.


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Re: [OT] Start using biodiesel

2007-04-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 4/24/07, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 because I never really knew where I was going  or what was coming.

Not much has changed since then i see

A+
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Re: [OT] Start using biodiesel

2007-04-24 Thread Derek Kalweit
 The engine I had (Cummins 14 Liter) would generally be ok at 8F if it wasn't
 shut off for too long. Minus 8, however, would make it choke. I would use
 additives all winter, though, because I never really knew where I was going
 or what was coming.

Did you have glow plugs? The glow plugs in my old truck usually worked
fine. The only time I had a little difficulty even with the glow plugs
was when it reached -15 or so once a couple winters ago. I tried to
find an extension for the block heater, but I couldn't find one--
eventually I got it started, though...

Oddly enough, my diesel tractor always started up even in the same
weather without glow plugs-- it just smoked like hell...


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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Chet Gardiner wrote:

 Just a quick check brought up these 5 threads on electric cars and  
 cars
 in the recent past:

You are so good at rationalizing...




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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff Johnson

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:41 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...
 
 
 A writer friend of mine says that he never stops work at the end of a
 chapter, or even the end of a section. He stops right in the middle of
 something that's flowing really well, because it's so much easier to
 pick it back up and quickly get in the groove.
 
 What do you guys do?
 
 Whil
 


Whil:  Great question!  This is especially a concern for those that work in
their own office or at home.  When you have a job you have peers and bosses
peering to keep you in line.  I've been working out of my home for sixteen
years and have tried just about everything.  In an attempt to learn from my
own (and others') mistakes, I have something now that works for me.

I heard (or read) a person that calls his system pickle jar management.
Imagine a pickle jar with big rocks, small and medium rocks all the way down
to grains of sand.  Every time you get a task - in my case it could be
business or personal - place it in the pickle jar.  Its size is based on
both effort and importance.  A yellow lined pad is my pickle jar.  I make
absolutely sure I write down everything I have to do.  I get a call from a
customer or and email that contains something I need to do, I write it down.

Each morning I start pulling the biggest rocks from my pickle jar.  Once I
get down so far and don't have enough time left in the day to pull out
another stone, I go to work on Dabo, PostGreSQL or some other long term
project that requires quiet time.  

The one other thing I do is keep my reference books in the bathroom.
Currently there are a couple of Python books in there.

My day starts at 7:30 and ends at 6:00 and I don't do any work outside of my
work day due to family and self obligations.  Of course the reading could
start earlier and end later.  ;^)  

Jeff

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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Did you see down at the bottom of my post about the Perl Development Kit? 

Regards,

LelandJ


Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

   
 Stepping through code in Komodo seems to work in perl pretty well.
 

 It says that it does, and it looks like it should, but it doesn't  
 seem to in PHP. It just jumped all over the place




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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Apr 24, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 Did you see down at the bottom of my post about the Perl  
 Development Kit?

Yes. Am I missing something about debugging PHP code? (Afternoon haze  
setting in...)


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[OT] What People Say in Court

2007-04-24 Thread Jerry Wolper
From a little book called Disorder in the Court. 
They're things people actually said in court, word for word.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13408/What-People-say-in-Court


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Re: [OT] JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 24, 2007, at 4:03 PM, David Crooks wrote:

 JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
 snipped

 False.
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/jayleno.asp

Duh.

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Re: [NF][PHP]Debugging in PHP

2007-04-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Well, I was trying to turn you on to perl with Komodo. g  I figured 
you might even be interested in ActivePerl Pro Studio.  I figured it 
wouldn't hurt to give perl a little plug as I scarcely ever hear it 
meson around the forum as a viable option.

http://www.activestate.com/products/activeperlprostudio/

But Komodo is suppose to work well with many open source programming 
languages, including perl, php, Tcl, python, and most recently ruby.  I 
think Komodo is more mature under perl that any of the other languages.

I was disappointed to hear that Komodo's step through code feature 
acted erratically under php.  I wasn't aware of that, and I just 
recently paid $99 to upgrade to Komodo 4.0.  I've use Komodo almost 
exclusively with perl, and both perl and Komodo have been great.  You 
might consider turning in a bug report over on the Activestate site 
about your problem with php under Komodo.

Regards,

LelandJ


Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 On Apr 24, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

   
 Did you see down at the bottom of my post about the Perl  
 Development Kit?
 

 Yes. Am I missing something about debugging PHP code? (Afternoon haze  
 setting in...)


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Re: [OT] Start using biodiesel

2007-04-24 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 4:19 pm, Derek Kalweit wrote:
  The engine I had (Cummins 14 Liter) would generally be ok at 8F if it
  wasn't shut off for too long. Minus 8, however, would make it choke. I
  would use additives all winter, though, because I never really knew where
  I was going or what was coming.

 Did you have glow plugs? The glow plugs in my old truck usually worked
 fine. The only time I had a little difficulty even with the glow plugs
 was when it reached -15 or so once a couple winters ago. I tried to
 find an extension for the block heater, but I couldn't find one--
 eventually I got it started, though...

 Oddly enough, my diesel tractor always started up even in the same
 weather without glow plugs-- it just smoked like hell...

Hi Derek!

I don't think the 14 liter Cummins has glow plugs. It did smoke a lot on a 
cold start.

The 5.9 Cummins used in Dodge Rams may have glow plugs, but it is a much 
different style of engine. Sounds the same, though. Noisy.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
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Job Posting on Guru.com

2007-04-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Just passing this on - I know nothing else about it except what you read 
below.  I myself don't have vfp8, vista, or codemine


 From guru.com
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Profile ID: 790894 matches...
Title: Visual Foxpro Application Modifications
Project ID: 291932

Category: Programming / Software / Database Development
Description:
We are seeking a skilled, experienced Visual Foxpro Developer to perform 
a number of modifications that necessitated by Windows Vista.

The applications use the Codemine Framework and are written in VFP8.

Developers that are interested in this opportunity should be willing to 
work from a Fixed Price NTE project that is derived from a mutually 
agreed upon scope of work and the developer's hourly rate.
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VFP 9 Amazing jumping check boxes...

2007-04-24 Thread Richard Kaye
It's the end of the day and I think this form I'm working on is 
possessed. It's pretty simple. Nothing fancy. No page frames, grids, 
etc. Just some labels, text boxes, command buttons and check boxes. I 
positioned everything where I want it, save the form and run it. My 
carefully positioned check boxes move almost all the way off the left 
side of the form. I close the form and they appear almost off the end of 
the form in the designer. When I look at the value for left for both 
controls, they match where I left them in the first place. I repeat this 
process several times. Position them, save and run the form and watch 
them move on their own. I figured there are 2 likely culprits - the font 
I was using or the caption position. Turns out it was door number 2. I 
had the caption set to middle right. When I changed it back to the 
default - middle left - they stay where I put them. Weird...

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Re: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Hal Kaplan wrote:
 = [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 = 
 = I think if you go to NY, you'll find a lot of people who 
 = voted for Hillary.
 = 

 That could be how she got elected as one of New York's U.S. Senators.
   
I don't follow.  Are you from the country of Utah?


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RE: [OT] Proud to be American!

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Yep, the state is filled with retards.


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 That could be how she got elected as one of New
 York's U.S. Senators.
 
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Re: [OT] JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Oh please check snopes.com first.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/jayleno.asp


--- Kent Belan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 JAY LENO... HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
 
 The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and
 came across some poll data
 I found rather hard to believe.  It must be true
 given the source, right?
 
 The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of
 Americans are unhappy with the
 direction the country is headed and 69 percent of
 the country  is unhappy
 with the performance of the president.  In essence
 2/3s of the citizenry
 just ain't happy and want a change.
 
 So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started
 thinking, ''What we are so
 unhappy about?''
 
 Is it that we have electricity and running water 24
 hours a day, 7 days a
 week?  Is our unhappiness the result of having air
 conditioning in the
 summer and heating in the winter?  Could it be that
 95.4 percent of these
 unhappy folks have a job?  Maybe it is the ability
 to walk into a grocery
 store at any time and see more food in moments than
 Darfur has seen in the
 last year?
 
 Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific
 Ocean to the  Atlantic
 Ocean without having to present identification
 papers as we move through
 each state?   Or possibly the hundreds of clean and
 safe motels we  would
 find along the way that can provide temporary 
 shelter?  I guess having
 thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from
 around the world is just
 not good enough.  Or could it be that when we wreck
 our car, emergency
 workers show up and provide services to  help all
 and even send a helicopter
 to take you to the hospital.
 
 Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans
 who own a home.  You may
 be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case
 of a fire, a group of
 trained firefighters will appear in moments and use
 top notch equipment to
 extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family
 and your belongings.  Or
 if, while at home watching one of your many flat
 screen TVs, a burglar or
 prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun
 and a bullet-proof vest
 will come to defend you and your family against
 attack or loss.  This all in
 the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or
 militias raping and
 pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90
 percent of teenagers own
 cell phones and computers.
 
 How about the complete religious, social and
 political freedoms we enjoy
 that are the envy of everyone in the world?  Maybe
 that is what has 67
 percent of you folks unhappy. Fact is, we are the
 largest group of
 ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen.  
 No wonder the world
 loves the U.S. ,  yet has a great disdain for its
 citizens.  They see us for
 what  we are.  The most blessed people in the world
 who do nothing but
 complain about what we don't have , and what we hate
 about the country
 instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
 
 I know, I know.  What about the president who took
 us into war and has no
 plan to get us out?  The president who has a measly
 31 percent approval
 rating?   Is this the same president who guided the
 nation in the dark days
 after 9/11?  The president that cut taxes to bring
 an economy out of
 recession?  Could this be the same guy who has been
 called every name in the
 book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled
 ungrateful brats safe from
 terrorist attacks?
 
 The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that
 is out there defending
 you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on
 the news or talk show?
 Did this news affect you so much, make you so
 unhappy you couldn't take a
 look around for yourself and see all the good things
 and be glad?
 
 Think about  it..are you upset at the President
 because he actually
 caused you personal pain OR is it because the
 Media told you he was
 failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every
 day.
 
 Make no mistake about it.  The troops in Iraq and
 Afghanistan have
 volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have
 died for your freedom.
 There is currently no draft in this country.  They
 didn't have to go. ; They
 are able to refuse to go and end up with either a
 ''general'' discharge, an
 ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case
 scenario, a
 ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the
 brig.
 
 So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds
 of 69 percent of
 Americans?  Say what you want but I blame it on the
 media.  If it bleeds it
 leads and they specialize in bad news.  Everybody
 will watch a car crash
 with blood and guts.  How many will watch kids
 selling lemonade at the
 corner?  The media knows this and media outlets are
 for-profit corporations.
 They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to
 defend their actions by
 justifying them in one way or another.  Just ask
 why they tried to allow a
 murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how
 he didn't kill his
 wife, but if he did he would have done it this
 

RE: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 forWindows

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I suspect that's the problem, although I was hoping
someone had a tweak, work-around, compatibility
setting, or something to make it work.  Or some sort
of way to flush screen memory.


--- Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FPW 2.5 is an amazing piece of code because Fox
 Software got no help at
 all from Microsoft.  Consequently it is NOT 100%
 Windows compliant.
 There are definitely some areas (scroll bars and
 list boxes come to
 mind) that just will not behave as you might expect.
 
 HTH
 
 B+
 HALinNY
 
 
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Re: [NF] Electric Car redux

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
The list has decided that only computer-related,
non-fox should appear in [NF].  Other technology, such
as electric cars should appear in [OT].



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  in the recent past:
 
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[NF] -- Suck-ups and Why CIOs Love Them

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Anderson

Interesting article...

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasictaxonomyName=ManagementarticleId=288079taxonomyId=14intsrc=kc_li_story

http://tinyurl.com/3c6mzf

The magazine has a sidebar, called What's Wrong With Us?, with 20 
flaws that hold people back. I can't find it on the Computerworld site, 
but it's extracted from here: 
www.marshallgoldsmithlibrary.com/docs/EEP/Bad-Behavior.doc

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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread John Gunvaldson
 
 What do you guys do?
 
 Whil
 

I usually start by breaking something that previously worked fine - and
would have been fine, if I didn't just browse it's code and decide that
here is a good place to start...

I just got back to fixing a bunch of gets and sets in a class. I
introduced a nasty little bugger that translated a Boolean .F. to a
character F and sat and trouble shot that for the last hour or so - as
the value being written was 100% F - pretty much my grade for stopping
by and fixing the class

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[NF] -- Vista Leaves Some Out in Cold

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Anderson

With Vista, Microsoft revamped the Windows operating system's ability 
to natively lock out unapproved USB storage devices through some new 
policy items in its Group Policy. However, this capability requires a 
service that has quietly been denied to some customers by default—a 
casualty of Microsoft's attempts to comply with the anti-competition 
dictates of the European Union.

Unfortunately, the Portable Device Enumerator Service comes with 
Windows Media Player rather than with the base Vista operating system, 
so the N versions of Vista won't get the feature without installing the 
Windows Media Player or kludging together a different workaround.

The fact that a core security feature of Vista is based on the presence 
of a rich media application underscores what a convoluted system Windows 
continues to be.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2119297,00.asp



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[OT] The VP was way too diplomatic

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Calco
http://tinyurl.com/36pb7o

A week or so ago I was of the opinion that the Right Hon. Sen. Reid  
was, at worst, and empty suit---Pelosi's poodle---with not even a  
scary bark compared to Cruella herself.

But peering a little more deeply into his beady little eyes as he has  
been uttering the most outrageous and dangerous nonsense over the  
last week, I can only credit The Big Dick with being far nicer and  
more diplomatic in his description of Reid's  than I would be. The  
English language does not contain an expletive that full captures  
what I think of that man now. (I could probably utter something in  
Russian that comes close, though.)

Needless to say the CNN reporter makes it sound like Cheney said  
something offensive when all he was doing was reciting facts in  
typically clinical, straightforward fashion. Reid was the one calling  
names and fabricating what the controversy was about. More for the  
troops my ass---a surrender timeline and 20% pork to boot to buy the  
blue dogs. Who is he kidding?

I have a desire to expound at length about the demerits of Reid's  
rhetorical posturing, how he personalizes and politicizes it in the  
most unprofessional and shocking manner, but it's overwhelmed by a  
desire to take a shower just thinking about it.

Man, I hope they keep it up. There will be a backlash.

I hope that Kucinich gets more air time too, right next to Sheryl  
Crow with her single square solution to global warming; somehow the  
two subjects belong together.

The insanity of their worldview is finally starting to seep out, and  
pretty soon they won't be able to keep the inmates from running the  
asylum.

The American people will have buyers remorse right soon I predict.

- Bob


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Re: [NF] -- Suck-ups and Why CIOs Love Them

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew Jarvis
Bill Anderson wrote:
 Interesting article...
 
 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasictaxonomyName=ManagementarticleId=288079taxonomyId=14intsrc=kc_li_story
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3c6mzf
 
 The magazine has a sidebar, called What's Wrong With Us?, with 20 
 flaws that hold people back. I can't find it on the Computerworld site, 
 but it's extracted from here: 
 www.marshallgoldsmithlibrary.com/docs/EEP/Bad-Behavior.doc
 
 Bill
 


I confess that I didn't read the whole article (just the first page), 
but honestly I didn't like what I was reading... it seemed the person 
being interviewed was just stating the plainly obvious and/or 
regirgitating the question back...

Perhaps he comes around to it later, but suck-ups are that way because 
they are a) selfish, b) lazy and c) fearful of their own inadaquacies...

A couple of jobs ago I was hired to specifically question all things so 
that we could all collaborate on doing things the Right Way according to 
our companies policy. Others on the team just rode the wave...

One guess who was the first person to get the axe when things got tight...


Matthew S. Jarvis
IT Manager
Bike Friday - Performance that Packs.
www.bikefriday.com
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[OT] Looking for hope in all the wrong places

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Calco
http://tinyurl.com/2484m4

Maybe we'll find intelligent life there. The supply on earth is  
obviously running low, for example:

http://tinyurl.com/2ah438

Ah, humanity!

- Bob


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[ADMIN] Testing spam filter

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Leafe
Another tweak, this time to the ProFoxTech spam filter...


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[NF] Is Choice Always Good?

2007-04-24 Thread Ted Roche
An excellent essay on why the MS monoculture (One Microsoft Way)
isn't always a bad thing:

Microsoft offers the certainty of no choices. Choice isn't always
good, and the open source community sometimes offers far too many ways
to skin the same cat, choices that are born more out of pride, ego or
stubbornness than a genuine need for two different paths. I won't
point fingers, everyone knows examples.

Now, least you think I've been turned to the Dark Side, there is one
BIG problem with a monoculture,... 

Read the rest at:

http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/04/the_virtues_of_monoculture.html

-- 
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Re: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 forWindows

2007-04-24 Thread Ted Roche
On 4/24/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suspect that's the problem, although I was hoping
 someone had a tweak, work-around, compatibility
 setting, or something to make it work.  Or some sort
 of way to flush screen memory.

Have you tried running the application, as-is, no changes, under a VFP runtime?

-- 
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RE: [NF] -- Suck-ups and Why CIOs Love Them

2007-04-24 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Boy, I totally disagree with this.
All the suck ups I ever had dealings with were very ambitious and they were
going to take whatever shortcut they could that would get them to the top,
no matter who got hurt on their climb to the top.
---

Perhaps he comes around to it later, but suck-ups are that way because they
are a) selfish, b) lazy and c) fearful of their own inadaquacies...

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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:31 PM
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Bill Anderson wrote:
 Interesting article...
 

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasictax
onomyName=ManagementarticleId=288079taxonomyId=14intsrc=kc_li_story
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3c6mzf
 
 The magazine has a sidebar, called What's Wrong With Us?, with 20 
 flaws that hold people back. I can't find it on the Computerworld site, 
 but it's extracted from here: 
 www.marshallgoldsmithlibrary.com/docs/EEP/Bad-Behavior.doc
 
 Bill
 


I confess that I didn't read the whole article (just the first page), 
but honestly I didn't like what I was reading... it seemed the person 
being interviewed was just stating the plainly obvious and/or 
regirgitating the question back...

Perhaps he comes around to it later, but suck-ups are that way because 
they are a) selfish, b) lazy and c) fearful of their own inadaquacies...

A couple of jobs ago I was hired to specifically question all things so 
that we could all collaborate on doing things the Right Way according to 
our companies policy. Others on the team just rode the wave...

One guess who was the first person to get the axe when things got tight...


Matthew S. Jarvis
IT Manager
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www.bikefriday.com
541/687-0487 x140
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [OT] Looking for hope in all the wrong places

2007-04-24 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 7:51 pm, Robert Calco wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/2484m4

 Maybe we'll find intelligent life there. The supply on earth is
 obviously running low, for example:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ah438

Hi Bob!

What an a55hole! If Reid is P-woman's poodle maybe this guy is her chihuahua. 
Interesting that no other house member, not even the P-gal herself, stooped 
to such depth.

Suppose he succeeded. With Cheney gone who picks the new vp? Nixon picked Ford 
in a similar situation, wonder who W would pick? Who could be confirmed by 
Congress?
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Re: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 forWindows

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
It's not an executeable, it's an app running under the
foxpro 2.5 IDE.  I don't have the developers edition.



--- Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  someone had a tweak, work-around, compatibility
  setting, or something to make it work.  Or some
 sort
  of way to flush screen memory.
 
 Have you tried running the application, as-is, no
 changes, under a VFP runtime?
 
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RE: Still having problems with Remote desktop and Foxpro 2.5 forWindows

2007-04-24 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
This is common because I had the same problem under citrix.
There is a fix and it has nothing to do with remote desktop, but I can't
remember the specifics.

Seems like its something to do with the colors in the screen.

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It's not an executeable, it's an app running under the
foxpro 2.5 IDE.  I don't have the developers edition.



--- Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/24/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I suspect that's the problem, although I was
 hoping
  someone had a tweak, work-around, compatibility
  setting, or something to make it work.  Or some
 sort
  of way to flush screen memory.
 
 Have you tried running the application, as-is, no
 changes, under a VFP runtime?
 
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[OT] anyone ever used Virgin?

2007-04-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

I had to let my Verizon wireless phone service go when I closed my practice. 
Has anyone ever used Virgin? It looks like they are $20 every 90 days, which 
I could afford. I hardly ever called from my cell, or received a call, for 
that matter, I would not likely use up the admittedly limited airtime.

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/phones/phoneDetail.do?skuId=VM2125
-- 
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Re: [OT] anyone ever used Virgin?

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
There are those pre-paid phones too.


--- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Everybody!
 
 I had to let my Verizon wireless phone service go
 when I closed my practice. 
 Has anyone ever used Virgin? It looks like they are
 $20 every 90 days, which 
 I could afford. I hardly ever called from my cell,
 or received a call, for 
 that matter, I would not likely use up the
 admittedly limited airtime.
 

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/phones/phoneDetail.do?skuId=VM2125
 -- 
 Regards,
 
 Pete
 http://www.pete-theisen.com/
 
 
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Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Vince Teachout
I don't have a lot of problems figuring out where I was or what I was 
doing - usually reading the the code will do it, although it's hard to 
understand (or, sometimes find) older code.

My real problem is actually making myself sit down and start SOMETHING, 
ANYTHING.
And usually reviewing the bills helps with that.


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Re: [OT] Looking for hope in all the wrong places

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Calco

On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:

 On Tuesday 24 April 2007 7:51 pm, Robert Calco wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/2484m4

 Maybe we'll find intelligent life there. The supply on earth is
 obviously running low, for example:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ah438

 Hi Bob!

 What an a55hole! If Reid is P-woman's poodle maybe this guy is her  
 chihuahua.
 Interesting that no other house member, not even the P-gal herself,  
 stooped
 to such depth.

There is no lack of colorful characters on the other side of the ...  
(aisle seems to tame a term for the chasm...)...


 Suppose he succeeded.

Huh? Have you lost your mind, too?

 With Cheney gone who picks the new vp? Nixon picked Ford
 in a similar situation, wonder who W would pick? Who could be  
 confirmed by
 Congress?

The only real faux pas Cheney made so far as VP was telling Leaky  
Leahy to go f*ck himself within earshot of a microphone (I would  
argue shooting the lawyer was a net positive, even if it was a  
Republican friend ;-) ), and that was more restrained than what I  
would have told that #(#$@(#*$@(#*$@ after what Leahy said about  
him on the floor of the Congress just hours prior to trying to chum  
it up with him in a photo op.

All other transgressions of his were legitimate policy differences  
pursued with the vigor of a public servant who believes in what he's  
doing (right or wrong), and I am so tired of people painting him as  
an attack dog when in fact he's far more civil in his tone and  
deference to facts than any of these sensationalist goof balls on the  
Democrat side. They have all---from Schumer, to Rangel, to Leahy, to  
Reid, to Pelosy, to Kerry, to Dean, to  you name it... so crossed  
the boundary of civil discourse going way back to 2003 that for them  
to act like victims of a totalitarian regime is on its face an insult  
to any intelligent person who has followed the debate. Especially  
since the only person who has gone to prison over disagreement about  
a fact is Scooter Libby, and they now have the power. Bush is  
Hitler, yeah, right.

If the media had any integrity they could have played a 5 minute  
montage of all the Democrats (including Clinton, Kerry, Reid, etc.)  
who warned us in no uncertain terms about Saddam's WMDs in 1998 and  
during the debate over the war resolution in 2002 that all of these  
hypocrites voted for right after showing Kucinich's retard-in-chief i- 
wanna-be-a-contendah conference today.

But the media has as much integrity as the current crop of  
Republicans have testicles.

Incidentally at the moment I plan to vote for Fred Thompson, whether  
or not he runs. Gulianni and Romney excite me not at all based on all  
I know about them right now, Gingrich is too full of himself and  
frankly damaged goods, and I can't imagine any of the other players  
making it on the national radar.

I think it would be a good thing if Cheney stepped down for health  
reasons and Bush at least had a chance to pick a VP who could run as  
an incumbent. But Bush is too loyal to throw anyone of his people  
under the bus for political reasons.

On the other hand, maybe Washington will ultimately disabuse him of  
blind loyalty to friends. It's gotten him apparently nowhere after  
six years of routing Islamofascists on every front, including Iraq,  
and bringing the stock market to an all-time high.

I still cannot process how, on any level, we've supposedly failed  
in Iraq.

The supposedly civilized world has completely lost any sense of  
historical perspective.

Hell, even you Pete are speculating What if Kucinich succeeds? Have  
you followed his career at all? I once shared an apartment with that  
loser when I was a wee toddler in Cleveland. (He was running for dog  
catcher or city councilman or something even then.)

The only thing he ever achieved was being mayor of Cleveland when the  
city went bankrupt and the Cuyahoga river erupted in flames.

- Bob

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 Regards,

 Pete
 http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Vince Teachout wrote:
 I don't have a lot of problems figuring out where I was or what I was 
 doing - usually reading the the code will do it, although it's hard to 
 understand (or, sometimes find) older code.
 
 My real problem is actually making myself sit down and start SOMETHING, 
 ANYTHING.

I've learned that, when I don't feel like working on a project, just 
sticking the 'toe in' is often the trick. For example, there's a new 
routine I have to write, and I'm dreading it.

So I'll tell myself, I'll just open the project, and then go do 
something else. So I open the project.

Then I tell myself, Well, how about if I create a method for the 
routine I have to write. Then I'll go do something else. I do that, and 
since I just created the method, might as well open the method window.

And while it's open, and I'm sorta thinking about it, I might as well 
write a header. Aw, hell, sketch out a couple of ideas of how the method 
is going to work - no code, mind you, just write down my thoughts while 
I'm thinking about it.

And then it's not that much more to sketch out a bit of p-code of how 
the method is going to work.

Might as well declare some vars local.

And start the DO CASE I'm going to need.

And then I'll just write the p-code for the cases... no real code, mind 
you, just the p-code. Well, since Fox will complain if I've got crap in 
there when I try to save, I suppose I should write out the real code...

And now it's 2 am and my routine is done.

Except for testing, but I'll do that tomorrow.

Well, I suppose I could write down an idea for this one test

Whil


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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread john harvey
This is sick! I just spent about three hours writing a routine to do some
data conversion, and I started it thinking, I'll just see if I can write
something to create the table

JH

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:59 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

Vince Teachout wrote:
 I don't have a lot of problems figuring out where I was or what I was 
 doing - usually reading the the code will do it, although it's hard to 
 understand (or, sometimes find) older code.
 
 My real problem is actually making myself sit down and start SOMETHING, 
 ANYTHING.

I've learned that, when I don't feel like working on a project, just 
sticking the 'toe in' is often the trick. For example, there's a new 
routine I have to write, and I'm dreading it.

So I'll tell myself, I'll just open the project, and then go do 
something else. So I open the project.

Then I tell myself, Well, how about if I create a method for the 
routine I have to write. Then I'll go do something else. I do that, and 
since I just created the method, might as well open the method window.

And while it's open, and I'm sorta thinking about it, I might as well 
write a header. Aw, hell, sketch out a couple of ideas of how the method 
is going to work - no code, mind you, just write down my thoughts while 
I'm thinking about it.

And then it's not that much more to sketch out a bit of p-code of how 
the method is going to work.

Might as well declare some vars local.

And start the DO CASE I'm going to need.

And then I'll just write the p-code for the cases... no real code, mind 
you, just the p-code. Well, since Fox will complain if I've got crap in 
there when I try to save, I suppose I should write out the real code...

And now it's 2 am and my routine is done.

Except for testing, but I'll do that tomorrow.

Well, I suppose I could write down an idea for this one test

Whil


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[OT] This is classic

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Calco
http://tinyurl.com/2mzy2v

- - -
Ségolène Royal, the first woman with a chance of leading France,  
began re-shaping her campaign yesterday as she faced a runoff with  
the clear favourite in the presidential election, the rightwing  
former interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

Ms Royal began the difficult task of convincing France that she was  
not merely an off-the-shelf traditional Socialist in designer  
clothing and could break away from her party roots to capture the  
centre ground.

With the candidates racing to win over the 7 million people who voted  
for the centrist third-man François Bayrou, party advisers said Ms  
Royal would stand no chance of winning if she fought a traditional  
socialist campaign of left versus right. Instead she set out to  
reassure the centre ground she could be all things to all people, to  
prove, despite her critics, she could reinvent the nation.

- - -

This article is chock full of nuggets. Consider:

1. Royal and her supporters openly admit they have to lie about her  
to fool the voters. Typical left wing condescension. On the other  
hand, it worked for the Dems last year in the elections.

2. Read on:

***
Nicolas Sauger, a political analyst, said Ms Royal also had to  
convince the nation she was not the hesitant, incompetent party  
outsider her critics described. He said it was crucial to hammer out  
policies that fitted the centrist vote, such as a pro-European  
message with a promise of a referendum on any new constitution. She  
also had to pick up Mr Bayrou's quest to reform French democracy.  
France's public debt, now at 66% of GDP, was crucial to the centrist  
campaign and Ms Royal is likely to increase calls to curb spending  
deficits.

But in a campaign focused on personality, Ms Royal faces a difficult  
fight. Even socialist voters yesterday said they were let down by her  
speech after Sunday night's results, appearing stiff, wooden and  
uncomfortable. She is often accused of having a grating voice.

Mr Sauger said: Her problem isn't really one of policies, it's one  
of image, how she communicates.
***

Some observations:

1. You think we have a lot of public debt! I bet if the article  
mentioned French unemployment rates it would be equally  
embarrassing for France.
2. If her problem isn't one of policies but how she  
communicates ... why does she have to avoid a clear left-versus- 
right battle, in which both she and her opponent are honest about  
being left and right, respectively? Why does she have to be pushed  
to the centre?
3. Speaking of grating voices, have these folks heard Hillary! or  
Pelosi?
4. The West is doomed if Royal and Hillary win.

(Hillary or Obama for that matter, who are both wacko lefties who  
have to pretend to be centrist in order to have a shot.)

- Bob

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Re: [OT] This is classic

2007-04-24 Thread Helio W.
Same old story. Here in Brazil with a bit of a twist: leftist union
leader Lula won presidency by lying to public on both sides of the
ideological spectrum. He betrayed even his dumb socialist supporters.


On 4/25/07, Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/2mzy2v

 - - -
 Ségolène Royal, the first woman with a chance of leading France,
 began re-shaping her campaign yesterday as she faced a runoff with
 the clear favourite in the presidential election, the rightwing
 former interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

 Ms Royal began the difficult task of convincing France that she was
 not merely an off-the-shelf traditional Socialist in designer
 clothing and could break away from her party roots to capture the
 centre ground.

 With the candidates racing to win over the 7 million people who voted
 for the centrist third-man François Bayrou, party advisers said Ms
 Royal would stand no chance of winning if she fought a traditional
 socialist campaign of left versus right. Instead she set out to
 reassure the centre ground she could be all things to all people, to
 prove, despite her critics, she could reinvent the nation.

 - - -

 This article is chock full of nuggets. Consider:

 1. Royal and her supporters openly admit they have to lie about her
 to fool the voters. Typical left wing condescension. On the other
 hand, it worked for the Dems last year in the elections.

 2. Read on:

 ***
 Nicolas Sauger, a political analyst, said Ms Royal also had to
 convince the nation she was not the hesitant, incompetent party
 outsider her critics described. He said it was crucial to hammer out
 policies that fitted the centrist vote, such as a pro-European
 message with a promise of a referendum on any new constitution. She
 also had to pick up Mr Bayrou's quest to reform French democracy.
 France's public debt, now at 66% of GDP, was crucial to the centrist
 campaign and Ms Royal is likely to increase calls to curb spending
 deficits.

 But in a campaign focused on personality, Ms Royal faces a difficult
 fight. Even socialist voters yesterday said they were let down by her
 speech after Sunday night's results, appearing stiff, wooden and
 uncomfortable. She is often accused of having a grating voice.

 Mr Sauger said: Her problem isn't really one of policies, it's one
 of image, how she communicates.
 ***

 Some observations:

 1. You think we have a lot of public debt! I bet if the article
 mentioned French unemployment rates it would be equally
 embarrassing for France.
 2. If her problem isn't one of policies but how she
 communicates ... why does she have to avoid a clear left-versus-
 right battle, in which both she and her opponent are honest about
 being left and right, respectively? Why does she have to be pushed
 to the centre?
 3. Speaking of grating voices, have these folks heard Hillary! or
 Pelosi?
 4. The West is doomed if Royal and Hillary win.

 (Hillary or Obama for that matter, who are both wacko lefties who
 have to pretend to be centrist in order to have a shot.)

 - Bob

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RE: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff Johnson
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Vince Teachout
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:15 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] Getting jump started - techniques...
 
 I don't have a lot of problems figuring out where I was or what I was
 doing - usually reading the the code will do it, although it's hard to
 understand (or, sometimes find) older code.
 
 My real problem is actually making myself sit down and start SOMETHING,
 ANYTHING.
 And usually reviewing the bills helps with that.
 

Excellent point Vince!  That works for me too.  Do your bills more often.

One other thing I forgot to mention is that I answer customer calls 24 / 7.
I would rather find out on Sunday when I am on the lake that my customer has
a problem than wake up to it Monday morning.  I may not be able to help
them, but at least they know I am aware of the problem.

Jeff


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Re: [OT] This is classic

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Dumb Socialist redundant.


--- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Same old story. Here in Brazil with a bit of a
 twist: leftist union
 leader Lula won presidency by lying to public on
 both sides of the
 ideological spectrum. He betrayed even his dumb
 socialist supporters.
 
 
 On 4/25/07, Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://tinyurl.com/2mzy2v
 
  - - -
  Ségolène Royal, the first woman with a chance of
 leading France,
  began re-shaping her campaign yesterday as she
 faced a runoff with
  the clear favourite in the presidential election,
 the rightwing
  former interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy.
 
  Ms Royal began the difficult task of convincing
 France that she was
  not merely an off-the-shelf traditional Socialist
 in designer
  clothing and could break away from her party roots
 to capture the
  centre ground.
 
  With the candidates racing to win over the 7
 million people who voted
  for the centrist third-man François Bayrou, party
 advisers said Ms
  Royal would stand no chance of winning if she
 fought a traditional
  socialist campaign of left versus right. Instead
 she set out to
  reassure the centre ground she could be all things
 to all people, to
  prove, despite her critics, she could reinvent the
 nation.
 
  - - -
 
  This article is chock full of nuggets. Consider:
 
  1. Royal and her supporters openly admit they have
 to lie about her
  to fool the voters. Typical left wing
 condescension. On the other
  hand, it worked for the Dems last year in the
 elections.
 
  2. Read on:
 
  ***
  Nicolas Sauger, a political analyst, said Ms Royal
 also had to
  convince the nation she was not the hesitant,
 incompetent party
  outsider her critics described. He said it was
 crucial to hammer out
  policies that fitted the centrist vote, such as a
 pro-European
  message with a promise of a referendum on any new
 constitution. She
  also had to pick up Mr Bayrou's quest to reform
 French democracy.
  France's public debt, now at 66% of GDP, was
 crucial to the centrist
  campaign and Ms Royal is likely to increase calls
 to curb spending
  deficits.
 
  But in a campaign focused on personality, Ms Royal
 faces a difficult
  fight. Even socialist voters yesterday said they
 were let down by her
  speech after Sunday night's results, appearing
 stiff, wooden and
  uncomfortable. She is often accused of having a
 grating voice.
 
  Mr Sauger said: Her problem isn't really one of
 policies, it's one
  of image, how she communicates.
  ***
 
  Some observations:
 
  1. You think we have a lot of public debt! I bet
 if the article
  mentioned French unemployment rates it would be
 equally
  embarrassing for France.
  2. If her problem isn't one of policies but how
 she
  communicates ... why does she have to avoid a
 clear left-versus-
  right battle, in which both she and her opponent
 are honest about
  being left and right, respectively? Why does she
 have to be pushed
  to the centre?
  3. Speaking of grating voices, have these folks
 heard Hillary! or
  Pelosi?
  4. The West is doomed if Royal and Hillary win.
 
  (Hillary or Obama for that matter, who are both
 wacko lefties who
  have to pretend to be centrist in order to have a
 shot.)
 
  - Bob
 
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Re: [OT] This is classic

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Calco
Good to hear from you Helio. How have you been lately?

I've been buried in a new job. Were it not for the flu the last  
couple of days I might not have had time to catch up on politics and  
ProFox OT. It's helped me recover, frankly. ;-)

- Bob

On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:02 AM, Helio W. wrote:

 Same old story. Here in Brazil with a bit of a twist: leftist union
 leader Lula won presidency by lying to public on both sides of the
 ideological spectrum. He betrayed even his dumb socialist supporters.


 On 4/25/07, Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/2mzy2v

 - - -
 Ségolène Royal, the first woman with a chance of leading France,
 began re-shaping her campaign yesterday as she faced a runoff with
 the clear favourite in the presidential election, the rightwing
 former interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

 Ms Royal began the difficult task of convincing France that she was
 not merely an off-the-shelf traditional Socialist in designer
 clothing and could break away from her party roots to capture the
 centre ground.

 With the candidates racing to win over the 7 million people who voted
 for the centrist third-man François Bayrou, party advisers said Ms
 Royal would stand no chance of winning if she fought a traditional
 socialist campaign of left versus right. Instead she set out to
 reassure the centre ground she could be all things to all people, to
 prove, despite her critics, she could reinvent the nation.

 - - -

 This article is chock full of nuggets. Consider:

 1. Royal and her supporters openly admit they have to lie about her
 to fool the voters. Typical left wing condescension. On the other
 hand, it worked for the Dems last year in the elections.

 2. Read on:

 ***
 Nicolas Sauger, a political analyst, said Ms Royal also had to
 convince the nation she was not the hesitant, incompetent party
 outsider her critics described. He said it was crucial to hammer out
 policies that fitted the centrist vote, such as a pro-European
 message with a promise of a referendum on any new constitution. She
 also had to pick up Mr Bayrou's quest to reform French democracy.
 France's public debt, now at 66% of GDP, was crucial to the centrist
 campaign and Ms Royal is likely to increase calls to curb spending
 deficits.

 But in a campaign focused on personality, Ms Royal faces a difficult
 fight. Even socialist voters yesterday said they were let down by her
 speech after Sunday night's results, appearing stiff, wooden and
 uncomfortable. She is often accused of having a grating voice.

 Mr Sauger said: Her problem isn't really one of policies, it's one
 of image, how she communicates.
 ***

 Some observations:

 1. You think we have a lot of public debt! I bet if the article
 mentioned French unemployment rates it would be equally
 embarrassing for France.
 2. If her problem isn't one of policies but how she
 communicates ... why does she have to avoid a clear left-versus-
 right battle, in which both she and her opponent are honest about
 being left and right, respectively? Why does she have to be pushed
 to the centre?
 3. Speaking of grating voices, have these folks heard Hillary! or
 Pelosi?
 4. The West is doomed if Royal and Hillary win.

 (Hillary or Obama for that matter, who are both wacko lefties who
 have to pretend to be centrist in order to have a shot.)

 - Bob

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